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Lessons from an InfoSec Icon: A Fireside Chat with PCI Guru Jeff Hall
Episode 338th November 2023 • Razorwire Cyber Security • Razorthorn Security
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Hello and welcome to Razorwire, the podcast where we delve into the world of cybersecurity with top experts and industry leaders. I'm your host, James Rees, and I can't wait to share this episode with you. As a PCI DSS QSA, I’m delighted to have PCI expert Jeff Hall as my guest today.

This episode will give you a unique perspective on how security has evolved from early mainframe days to today's interconnected, risk-focused practises. Jeff tells us about his hard-won lessons and wisdom gathered over decades steering information security programmes, including the need for compliance to work alongside overall security and not hinder it, and why auditors should be viewed as allies, not adversaries.

We give you some unique insights on the upcoming PCI DSS v4, the changes we can expect, and what we should be prepared for. We also talk about the issues that shortened CISO tenures create and how this can hinder long-term security progress. Learn why it’s important to focus on the big picture when it comes to security goals rather than getting distracted by minutiae.

We cover a wide range of subjects throughout this episode, with some really useful takeaways. One of the key points, and I really must agree, is the importance of matching security priorities to business risk, not compliance checklists. Jeff gives us his advice on focusing on the appropriate controls for what you aim to protect. 

For CISOs, security leaders, and practitioners at all levels, you’ll gain insight into building effective programmes that deliver real protection. Tune in to level up your approach with advice from this industry luminary and compliance guru.

So, if you're ready to up your cybersecurity game, join us on Razorwire. Stay informed, connected, and inspired. Together, we can build a safer digital world. Let's get started!

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In this episode, we covered the following topics:

- The importance of cybersecurity in e-commerce

- Identifying the main problems of managing website vulnerabilities

- Discussing the need for implementing specific tools to comply with regulations

- Exploring concerns about customer data security, effectively monitoring alerts and meeting requirements

- How the increasing costs and complexity of audits could lead to organisations rejecting compliance requirements

- How to streamline security programmes and focus on essentials

- The challenges of security and deployment in cloud environments

- How to prioritise the overall security programme and how not to get lost in minor details or problems

- The lack of leadership in the information security industry and the short tenure of CISOs

- The shortage of qualified infosec professionals and why we should be supporting mentorship and apprenticeship


Jeff Hall

Jeff Hall is a principal security consultant at Truvantis, Inc.  Jeff has over 30 years of technology and compliance project experience.  Jeff has done a significant amount of work in financial institutions, health care, manufacturing, and distribution industries, including security assessments, strategic technology planning, and application implementation.  Jeff is part of the PCI Dream Team, a co-author of ‘The Definitive Guide to PCI DSS Version 4: Documentation, Compliance, and Management’ and the writer of the PCI Guru blog (

Resources Mentioned

Razorthorn’s PCI DSS Consulting Service

The PCI DSS standard

PCI Guru Blog

PCI DSS Dream Team


Armor cards

Novell Directory

Sarbanes Oxley





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Hello, I am James Rees, the host of the Razorwire podcast. This podcast brings you insights from leading cyber security professionals who dedicate their careers to making a hacker’s life that much more difficult.

Our guests bring you experience and expertise from a range of disciplines and from different career stages. We give you various viewpoints for improving your cyber security – from seasoned professionals with years of experience, triumphs and lessons learned under their belt, to those in relatively early stages of their careers offering fresh eyes and new insights.

With new episodes every other Wednesday, Razorwire is a podcast for cyber security enthusiasts and professionals providing insights, news and fresh ideas on protecting your organisation from hackers.

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