Recently I had the pleasure of joining Sandra Bargman on The Edge of Everyday for a conversation about voice, vision, and the courage it takes to bring ideas into reality.

We explored the path that led from corporate leadership to founding Create Magic at Work and launching Magic Thread Media, a curated network created to support conscious voices and meaningful dialogue. Along the way we talked about spiritual intelligence in the workplace, the role of edge walkers as bridge builders during times of change, and the shift that happens when leaders stop waiting for perfect conditions and begin moving forward with what they know to be true. At its heart, the conversation is about trusting your voice, honoring the ideas that keep calling you forward, and creating spaces where those ideas can grow into something real.

Moments That Create Momentum:

1. The Moment Vision Becomes Action – The internal shift that happens when leaders stop waiting for perfect conditions and decide to bring an idea fully into reality.
2. Spiritual Intelligence in the Workplace – Explore how conversations about purpose, awareness, and inner knowing are beginning to reshape how leadership shows up in modern organizations.
3. Edgewalkers and the Courage to Navigate Change – Discover how bridge builders help individuals and organizations sense what is emerging and respond creatively during times of uncertainty.
4. Moving Forward Without Perfect Conditions – See how the pursuit of perfection can delay powerful ideas and what happens when leaders choose momentum instead.
5. The Power of Finding Your Authentic Voice – Learn how storytelling, podcasting, and meaningful dialogue sharpen a leader’s message and strengthen their clarity.
6. Building Communities Around Meaningful Work – Hear the deeper vision behind Magic Thread Media and the importance of creating spaces where conscious voices can grow and be heard.

About the Guest Host:

Sandra Bargman is an interspiritual minister, spiritual counselor, leadership coach, actor, and host of the podcast The Edge of Everyday. Seminary trained and ordained through The New Seminary for Interfaith Studies in New York City, she works with clients around the world through coaching, counseling, and workshops that explore voice, presence, spirituality, and personal transformation.

With more than three decades of experience as a professional performer, Sandra holds a BFA in drama and music from Carnegie Mellon University and has appeared in national tours, Off-Broadway productions, and regional theater across the United States. She is also the founder of Sacred Stages, a creative practice that blends storytelling, ritual, and performance to help people explore courage, connection, and the deeper questions that shape everyday life.

https://www.sandrabargman.com/

https://www.instagram.com/sandrabargman

https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandrabargman/

About Amy:

Amy Lynn Durham, known by her clients as the Corporate Mystic, is the founder of the Executive Coaching Firm, Create Magic At Work®, where they help leaders build workplaces rooted in creativity, collaboration, and fulfillment. A former corporate executive turned Executive Coach, Amy blends practical leadership strategies with spiritual intelligence to unlock human potential at work.

She’s a certified Executive Coach through UC Berkeley & the International Coaching Federation (ICF) In addition, Amy holds coaching certifications in Spiritual Intelligence (SQ21), the Edgewalker Profile, and the Archetypes of Change . In addition to being the host of the Create Magic At Work® podcast, Amy is the author of Create Magic At Work®, Creating Career Magic: A Daily Prompt Journal and the founder of Magic Thread Media™. Through her work, she inspires intentional leadership for thriving workplaces and lives where “magic” becomes reality.

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https://www.linkedin.com/company/create-magic-at-work

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https://www.instagram.com/createmagicatwork

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnEm4h3fUgaq8qgvZpz6dGg

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Amy Lynn Durham: Hey everyone. Amy, here. I am so glad you're here today, because I have a story to share with you, and you have actually been a part of this story since the very first episode of Create Magic at Work, I am sharing this special conversation I had with my dear friend and colleague, Sandra bargeman, on her podcast the edge of every day, as some of you longtime listeners may recognize, Sandra is a returning guest here on Create Magic at Work. Her previous conversations around ferocious compassion, anger and the reluctant leader were wildly popular and deeply impactful for our community. Today, we are pulling back the curtain on the birth of Magic Thread Media, the podcast network I founded to weave together conscious voices for a more connected world. I am so honored to announce that Sandra is officially moving the edge of every day her podcast to the Magic Thread Media network this April. And many of you already know Sandra as a powerhouse guest, but she is also the voice and presence coach here at the Create Magic at Work executive coaching firm, Sandra is the one who helps our clients strip away that corporate mask find their most authentic, genuine voice and helps you share your story with the world. In this episode, we talk about the beauty of being messy. That's which is a funny conversation, the power of women stepping into their vision out loud, and what it looks like to build a dream from the ground up, join us in this conversation and celebrate with us.

Hey, it's Amy. Welcome to Create Magic at Work, where we cast visions for a future of work, where business decisions ripple outward to our teams, our communities, the planet and humanity as a whole. If you're ready to edge, walk instead of sleep. Walk through your leadership, you're in the right place. So let's start making magic at work.

Hello everyone. I'm Sandra bargeman, and welcome back to The Edge of Everyday, I have some fantastic news to share with you, and this news centers around my guest. Today, The Edge of Everyday podcast is moving to a new platform. As of April 15, my birthday, the edge of every day will live on a new platform, Magic Thread Media, founded by Amy Lynn Durham, host of Create Magic at Work, podcast, which is now in the top 5% of the podcasting world. And today we are live in the hive with Amy herself to talk all about it. Oh, I'm so excited for this conversation. But before we dive in, let me share a bit about Amy. Amy Lynn Durham is the founder of the executive coaching firm Create Magic at Work, and is the host of the globally recognized Create Magic at Work podcast. She is the author of both the prompt journal creating career magic and the activity book Create Magic at Work Through her multi faceted endeavors, Amy epitomizes the mission of Create Magic at Work to inspire intentional leadership, innovative strategies and a culture of collaboration, transforming workplaces into thriving environments where magic is not merely a concept but a tangible reality. Amy is the founder and executive producer at Magic Thread Media, a media and publishing studio producing podcasts, companion works and original creative IP through a curated network of voices, this platform extends conversations about leadership, culture and the human experience into long form, media, publishing and live experiences. Welcome Amy Lynn Durham, to the edge of every day.

Amy Lynn Durham: Thank you, Sandra, thanks for having me here. And wow I am. I'm so humbled and excited that the edge of every day is going to be a part of the Magic Thread Media Podcast Network.

So, oh, Amy, I am humbled and honored to become a part of it. And you know how I feel about you. Yes. Listeners, I'm tearing up even at the top of this episode, Amy Lynn has become a friend, and so much more I have so much respect for her professionalism, her talent, her immense creativity and all of the magic that she puts out into the world. So I'm just thrilled. Wherever you're going, I want to be there, lady,

Amy Lynn Durham: thank you, because sometimes we do it messy, but we get it, but we do it, yeah, we're getting it done. Yeah, yeah. I love it. My person's messy. I'm grateful and honored for our friendship that's been. How many years has it been now? I mean, I remember we got in the studio. Well, we met through podcasting, yeah, and through the edge. Well, we met through the edge Walker community.

And four years or five years now, I think five years now,

Amy Lynn Durham: wow, wow. Covid, time warp.

Totally, fully. Oh, my Lord, yeah, totally, and yes. We met through edge walkers. And let's keep covid in mind, because you know, when we talk about our podcasting journey, covid is definitely a part of my podcasting journey. But we met in Edge walkers. We are both edge Walker certified facilitators. And for those listeners who I know, Amy's audience, knows all about edge walkers. And from time to time, you know, whenever I can plug edge walkers and talk about it, and I've had Judy Neal, the founder of edge walkers, on the podcast, a couple of times, actually three times, I was always want to plug it and talk about it. Edge walkers are, well, why don't you weigh in here? Amy, Edge walkers are,

Amy Lynn Durham: yeah, change makers. We are the bridge builders and the change makers of the of the world. And it's a it's a way that we respond to change. We like change. We embrace change. We look to the future with creative, positive visualization. There's light and shadow with being an edge Walker, and we also need all of the other archetypes of change surrounding us to keep us from falling off the edge.

Yes, exactly, a world full of edge walkers is not necessarily a good thing.

Amy Lynn Durham: But did I tell you? More than ever, I think we need edge Walkers and the skills and qualities that embody what an edge Walker is, and I think now more than ever, people are responding to to that as well. One, yeah,

because changes is, is speeding, is is coming at us exponentially, and and people who are struggling with it, and that's part of the reason behind your network, that's part of the reason behind this podcast, is helping people deal with change. Did I ever tell you the story about how I met Judy and how I discovered edge walkers? No, I was writing anger and the reluctant leader for Leslie Michaels, which I've talked about on Amy's podcast. Hello. And I wrote a phrase, and because I'd been using it, I walked the edges of my communities, and one day, I just googled that phrase, as you do, and edge Walker's website.org, comes on. Edge walkers international comes on. This is a thing, and of course, I had her on, and being a part of edge walkers has completely changed my life, and meeting is part of that, yeah, and and it informs edge walking, because it is so much who we are. It informs all of the choices that we make, including podcasting, including creating Magic Thread Media. You know the bravery, the willingness to intuit what's coming over the horizon, to to have a sense of what the future holds. So yes, podcasting your B ring also brought us together.

Amy Lynn Durham: Yeah, I

saw a picture of Amy. She had on this enormous B ring, and I was like, I need to know her. I really need to know,

Amy Lynn Durham: yeah, because of the symbolism with the bee and your cover art for your show and the live in the hive, and all of those amazing things that we can't wait to have over on the Magic Thread Media network, the hive,

the hive, the community, the the hive is moving to Magic Thread Media well, and I chose that originally in the solo show because, you know, there's a variety of ways I can use it. I can use the fun waggle dance and make people stand. Up in the audience and do silly things to meet each other, but it really was about the Native American wisdom of the medicine of the bee, being about communication and which and building community and working together. I mean, that was the reasoning behind choosing I had three animals, and the bee was the most front and center. Yeah, and so, so it remains a part of it. Yes, the teamwork. Yeah, the JAG work. Okay, so podcasting brought us together. I want to ask you, what was the story of you getting into podcasting, and when did you start your podcast, and what was the spark that kind of brought you into that?

Amy Lynn Durham: Yeah, it I was, that's I was reflecting on that this morning. So I, you know, left my corporate executive job in about the spring of 2019, and then I went off on this journey. Became an executive coach certified from UC Berkeley, started Create Magic at Work, published the book, and then I had, this was in the end of 2019 someone reached out to me on LinkedIn that I didn't know from the Czech Republic. His name is jakup, and he's a friend of mine to this day, which this was, I think before we were like, bombarded on LinkedIn with their bot that sends you fake messages over and over from someone, and he really is the one. He's the spark that started all of this, because he basically put me on the guesting circuit as a podcast guest. He was like, I'm gonna have you do 20 shows a month, or something like that. And I was like, I can't do that, because too many so we scaled it back, and I started guesting on all of these podcasts talking about spiritual intelligence in the workplace from a faith neutral lens. And then the response with that was, how are you talking about this at work? You know, people were saying, How is this being received? It was really cool. It was kind of a new topic that I think people were curious about. And then it just grew from there. I started getting feedback, you should start your own podcast. And I thought, oh, yeah, maybe I should. And then Create Magic at Work. Was born in September of 2021, and it's been a long journey from there and met many, many amazing people through that podcasting journey, for sure, talking about quantum leadership and spiritual intelligence in the workplace, and what the executive coaching firm Create Magic at Work is all about. And then it's just, it's so funny, you asked me this because then, like, it was like guessing, then having the show Create Magic at Work. And now here we are, the end of 2025 edge Walker, sensing what's over the horizon. I started seeing this technology. I

started seeing how we could have a network of these conscious voices, because I met so many amazing people that I am kind of stunned that I get to be around them. Like, really, truly, like the like, the voices on Magic Thread Media that are coming to life. I'm like, how did the these people come into my orbit? Like, this is incredible, and we needed a place for those voices. It wasn't just a guest episode. It was like, You need to have your own voice on your own channel, and this is what it can look like. And the technology aligned that I, that we, I stumbled upon, and I was like, I'm going to do this, and it's going to be called Magic Thread Media, and it's going to be a curated network of conscious voices. And it's already, we started in December of 2025 it's already grown and morphed and evolved, because we're more than a boutique Podcast Network. We're doing publishing, we're we're doing so many cool things I can't even like. So many cool things are coming from this and the energy around it's insane. My biggest feeling from having lived through all of this, and the roller coaster of being an entrepreneur and podcasting was when I sensed this. It was it was like, I'm doing this. I don't care what it takes. I just turned 50 this year, and. I was like, we're done. We're done with these visions that aren't manifesting into reality, like this is going to be brought into reality. And I don't care what it takes, and I'm not going to drag my feet on it, because being in the entrepreneur world, being in the corporate executive world, I see ideas that people have and then they're not born. And I've had ideas that haven't been born also. And I was like, no, no, this one's gonna be brought into our 3d reality. And I moved quick. I I'm going off on a tangent, but I just have to love it. You know, we'll sit with clients. Maybe there's some entrepreneur clients that want to refine their logo for five months before they launch or have the perfect website before. It

was like, we're not doing that. I had a logo in a week. It was magical. It was incredible. We have a very simple website explaining what we do, couple pages. A lot of it's invitation only, because it's like the network of curated voices and yeah, Magic Thread Media is out here, and we are doing things.

Oh, my Oh, I love this so much. And, you know, it just popped out at me when you said, and I turned 50, and it was like, bam, I'm doing this. I am. I'm taking no prisoners. I am stepping out in a much bigger way. I mean, it's not like you were small, Troy, you know, but, but bam, I'm going to do this well. And I wrote the edge of everyday solo show when I was 50, like it was the same. I'm going to step up and out and share my voice in a bigger way. And this, listeners, is the theme of all of our work, stepping in and sharing our voice in a larger way, all of the voices, Amy's highlighting her own voice, my voice. All the work that I do on the edge of every day is lifting up voices, sharing stories, getting it up and out into the world. But anyway, I wrote the edge of every day and started it in my early 50s, and and debuted it. Did it for a couple of years, and then did a live recording that you can purchase on CD, baby and Amazon and and it was 2019 and I was that was 2016 when we did the CD release party. And then in 2019 I was updating it, making a little more political and covid hit. And I rolled around for a good nine months. Sadly, after I lost all of my theater work and my my weddings and such, and I decided to turn this into all the concepts, the spiritual concepts, that were explored in the edge of every day under the umbrella of my company, sacred stages LLC, into bring that into the format of podcasting. And so I started a month after you, in October 2021

Amy Lynn Durham: I don't think I knew that.

Yeah, I know. Well, the reason I, you know, I tell that story, is because I one of the things I wanted to ask you is, how podcasting, the stepping into that journey and that, the the willingness to put yourself out there, how, how did that contribute or help grow you into going, You know what I'm doing, this network period, like this trajectory of confidence building and stepping in more into your voice and wanting to share it in a bigger way.

Amy Lynn Durham: Yeah, it, it's a combination of things. The guessing helped with the repetition and really shaping and framing my message. If I go back and listen to the first guest episode I did, I will probably crawl under a table and hide with a blanket over my head. I yeah, um, but as the as the practice continued, my message got sharper and I just the other. The other piece that contributed is there's a lot of can we I can't remember if we can cuss on your show. Yes, you can. There's a driver mouth. There's a lot of like not giving a shit anymore of what other people think. Yeah, and this whole conversation about turning 50, yeah, I think it's contributing to doing what I want to do. Share. The message I want to share, knowing it's going to touch and fall on the ears of the people that are meant to hear it, and letting the rest kind of fall away. And I know we've talked about this before with spiritual intelligence, but it truly is that like when you were saying leveling up confidence, I feel like it's more like leveling up the not the inner knowing, of the paradox of the breadth of our time perception. And what that is is I try to remind myself every day I'm gonna cry that, that I have this, that my life is extremely important and extremely profound, and yet I'm also a tiny piece of the history of the universe, and knowing that I'm that that living in that paradox helps me not give a shit. Yeah, you know, sometimes I'll look out the window and I'm like, there's so many billions of people on the planet, and I'm just one of them. And sometimes, I mean, this might not be the best comparison, but I kind of like, we're just kind of like fleas on the Earth's back. I know I've heard that before, too, or like, just, you know, we're just like, let's not take ourselves so seriously, and let's follow that message and follow that passion and see what what comes of it. And it's not always easy. It hasn't been puppy dogs and rainbows and ice cream since I left

my corporate job, but it also has led to this network, this new company, Magic Thread Media. And I can't even tell you how much energy is surrounding this. I don't I don't have control over it. I can just harness the energy coming in, because it's its own thing. We started in December and, like, here we are two months later, and I'm like, Okay, I'm just gonna have to, like, Hold on here. Yeah. So I think it's that. I think every conversation you have, every interview you do, it builds on that, not really caring what people think anymore.

Yeah, so true. You know, I remember the first, first episode I did. I was so, I mean, nervous, so nervous, which is so funny, but I was, you know, it was a whole different ball game than, you know, getting on stage and having a script and, you know, blah, blah, blah, it was, it was such a great way to step to step forward, and yeah, and to share all of the spiritual concepts, but more importantly, to contribute to The universe. As you said, that to know that I am I'm doing this for my own passion because I want to know myself better. I want to share my voice, and I know that I've got things to contribute, but I also know that, to your point, I'm just a small piece of this large picture, and so the the paradox and the juxtaposition, the the bridge building, the edge walking of that, that my words, or my guests words, can ripple out in ways that we can't even imagine.

Amy Lynn Durham: Yeah, it reminds me of, and I don't even know if this is the exact phrase or mantra, but it hits me so like, you know wisdom is knowing I am nothing, and love is knowing I am everything, and sort of living in, in that, in that space,

in that paradox, correct, which is The Edge of every day, yeah, which is 3d which is Yeah, and allowing that, you know, which is the vision of the edge of every day. As long as you allow both of if you hold both of those, then something and allow them to synergize, then something emerge. Something completely different emerges from that.

Amy Lynn Durham: You know what else it is. It's also an extreme exercise in self orientation, whether when you step into something like this, whether it's going to be high, or whether it's going to be low, and whether you are going to continue to practice having low self orientation when you show up to have a conversation and get out of your own way. So you know, in the beginning, maybe we're concerned about feedback or how we look on camera, or if I'm saying um or like, I always tell my producer of Create Magic at Work. I'm like, I'm an 80s valley girl. And so you might need to, we might need to take like out a little bit in some of these, but we want to keep the human there. But truly, if I look back on the journey of podcasting and all the way leading up to starting the network, it really has been almost getting a PhD in self Orient, in low self orientation and and I certainly don't get it right all the time, but it's definitely about getting out of our own way and not focusing on ourselves, and focusing on the message and the person we're speaking with, and all of those other things, yeah,

the overall service of it all, yeah, brings a look to my throat that's so beautiful. Well, let's talk about what the move when I'm coming to coming over. First of all, I also want to take a moment to thank, maximize you, and Sal and Laura Sally, where the edge of every day has had also had a place to live. I've enjoyed my time there, and I'm continuing to work with maximize you. So I mean our relationship and partnership is going to continue, but you know, new episodes will not be going to maximize you. So my thanks to Sal and Laura selling also met through edge walkers, and I also want to just toss out because you are one of them between edge walkers and my podcasting I could never have no I dragged my feet to start into podcasting. I was like, Please, we need another podcaster. Like, we need a hole in the head. And my friend sat me down and said, Listen, girl, you have a perspective on life that people need to hear and you have a way of helping people to tell their story. So you need whether five or 500 or 5 million or 500,000 million people listen to it doesn't matter, do it. And I thought, okay, and it was, of course, that was my fear talking the end of the day. That's what it was about. But I want to thank all of thank my friends for kicking me in the butt to do it, because podcasting has and the edge Walker community have changed my life in immeasurable ways. The US, the people that I consider close friends now I know through edge Walker and podcasting. I mean, I'm here because of that with you, so I gotta shout that out, so I will be taking a break through. I'll still be doing doing some interviews, but they won't be posted until I make the move to Magic Thread Media. My first thing will air on April 1, and then my first episode will air on April 15, my birthday.

Amy Lynn Durham: Yeah, yes, I can't sing a song for you like you sang for me on my birthday. I will. I'll spare you the agony. But I felt honored that I got your voice.

Well, I'll sing for both of us, my friend. So, so what else do we need to what to include? I want you to talk about the publishing arm, maybe a bit, and your and let's definitely stop on coaching, your coaching work the executive coaching team. Yeah.

Amy Lynn Durham: So it's super interesting, because the executive coaching firm Create Magic at Work, and Magic Thread Media are like, they co exist so beautifully. And one of the things that I wanted to make sure that we shared here was your amazing work with the voice and presence coaching for Create Magic at Work. So if people don't know you are a coach, you're on the transformational support team for Create Magic at Work and the the with the birth of Magic Thread Media, your work inside, coaching for Create Magic at Work has really started to take off with the voice and presence coaching, yes. So we see a lot of people that have these amazing. Seeing ideas that need some shaping, and often they start their journey with Magic Thread Media off with Sandra, because you are incredible at pulling those threads from people, helping them show up exactly what we were just talking about, helping them show up without the mask on, helping them show up with low self orientation, so their message lands that they feel inside, that they really want to share. So that's been a really cool part of Magic Thread Media and Create Magic at Work. And we don't know where some people go with their thought leadership that come maybe they start a podcast. Maybe they start a mini series on an existing podcast with us. Maybe they go off and write their book and then we publish that. So it really just depends on where that energy is and and how we can alchemize that into reality. So the publishing arm of Magic Thread Media is so exciting because it's the long term vision. One of my favorite edge Walker coaching question is, if you are a high level visionary, if you see these visions that you want to bring into reality, especially if I'm with a client and I'm coaching them on, like, the edge Walker skills or qualities, and they're, they're a high they come back really high on vision. I'll ask them to close their eyes and try to extend their vision beyond that vision and like, what

does that look like? What is that? Because they're kind of in that space where they can do that. And I feel like I have a vision beyond this existing vision, which is all of these pieces of all of these pieces of work are going to somehow manifest into live events. So we have the the podcast shows, we have the boutique network, we have the books coming out that are companions to the shows, which I haven't even gotten into, but we're our publishing team. Michelle, who's on the team for magic. Third media, she curates these incredible art piece quote books from our shows, and they're literal. That's the magic. That's the the piece that we love. That's magic. Third media is they're like these art piece quote books like curated from your voice. So have you ever been driving in a car and you're like, oh my gosh, I love what this person just said. I want to write it down, or I want to, I want to bookmark that. Well, now we're going to create these, these beautiful art piece books for that. So that's, that's one piece. And so it's all going to come together into live events in the future where you know someone like you, Sandra can speak on the edge of every day or on your message of ferocious compassion. Talk about the edge of everyday podcast, and then all of us that attend your amazing talk can grab this amazing art piece quote book of these incredible power quotes from Sandra bargeman, which I know you have many I'm, like, one of your biggest fans, and like, we've got to capture that. So that's the vision, beyond the vision, and sometimes it overwhelms my mind. And so we'll see how this all forms into our reality within the next couple of years. Yeah, amazing,

absolutely, a phenomenal vision. And I am, I can't stress enough, honored and thrilled to be a part of it. And I, too, have a vision beyond a vision. You know? I think you know that one of the things that I that's part of this, my story in the edge of every day is writing as an actor is writing a play. I've had this idea for a while, and you know, to your point about, you know, enough is enough do it, and seeing the messaging, the magic of that idea. And I love that you you're use the word alchemize, and the message of alchemizing that I and intend to weave into this with the voices that I'm going to uplift in this play as part of that. It's all one in the same and this play, and a production of this play, one, I, you know, I'm envisioning it as a one woman show would be a part of these live events or discussing the characters that are included within it, and the choice of them, and how that might empower me or empower someone thinking about how they want to amplify their own voice on Magic Thread Media, yeah, it's just like all the tendrils, all the threads, so good,

Amy Lynn Durham: so good. And you know, what's so cool is the the people that are emerging to work with us are they really want to start? Well, a large majority of them want to start with you, with voice and presence. There's a big uprising for that right now, at least in our sphere, and I think that's super encouraging, because the majority of them are women, yeah. And what are you? What are you seeing when you're I'm like, I'm not trying to turn into host here. But like, I was curious to just add to that, what are you seeing when you first start working with someone from for Create Magic at Work and Magic Thread Media? What's the one thing, or two things that you're like, Ah, here's what's going to crack this open?

Well, I think it's a willing what's going to crack it open is, is the admission of the way that women have held themselves back and held their voices smaller. I mean, it's completely in alignment with ferocious compassion. It's this understanding that I have been socialized or have taken on this understanding that I don't quite own the message that I want to share out in the world, that I am not. I don't quite embody it. I don't I'm a little afraid to step into it fully, because I don't want to be what, too much to this, too loud, too aggressive, to whatever, you know. So it that that's really the, the profound thread through, you know, all of the work, it's, it's, it, honestly, it's with the men that I've worked with. It's a bit of the saying, it's, you know, it's a question of the willingness to be vulnerable and the willingness to see that as with men to be vulnerable and to see that as their superpower, which, of course, they're socialized not to do that, whereas women are very socialized to be very, very tamped down and not big and loud and and which I'm not saying that I help people. I don't teach people to be bigger, louder, faster, I but I do help them step more into their confidence within their story, their their acceptance of their story, like owning their story, and it's the willingness to own it is where at the spiritual willingness to Own It is where the the confidence stems from

Amy Lynn Durham: Yep, and the permission to own it comes up I think too, yeah, yeah, powerful, powerful stuff. I've heard my last thing on your voice and presence coaching. Sorry. I geek out about it. I've heard some people say they they feel. And this comes into podcast editing, because I know you're not going to edit this conversation like this is the real, the raw. We're live in the hive, right? Theater days, yeah. And I've also heard I've seen creatives get overly, overly blocked or overly stuck in in the editing space. I'm not going to release this because it's not perfect. I'm not going to release this because the exact music isn't on here. It's this artist thing. I see an artist, and I think that you peel back everything and underneath it's like there's a fear of rejection, there's a fear of putting yourself out there. And I've also heard some people say, Well, I feel like words are indelible, you know, meaning, once you put it out there, you can't take it back. I don't feel that way. If we were, if we operated, I understand the power of words. I understand the magic behind our words and the intention when speaking. But I saying something like that to me, I think feels like it holds women back, especially, and I'm curious of your thoughts on that, because if I sat here and felt felt that way and was waiting and waiting till I said the perfect thing that I couldn't ever take back or rewrite or redo. How would I ever have started this? How would we ever have a how would we ever fuck up a conversation a relationship and learn how to repair it? Yeah. How, how, how, how. So, anyways, I don't want to take us on a tangent,

but I know, no, it's a wonderful tangent. And there's, you know, I mean, we can leave that to, yeah, in the air, because I think that's a, I mean, I can certainly comment on it, but it's you and I feel the same way. And it's a question of learning. It's a willingness to continue to upgrade. It's I cannot be afraid. I must be in the moment. And I'm only who I am in this moment, in this moment, and I'm going to say what I'm going to say. And trust me, we've all done the work, but at some point you've got to leap off the edge. You got to fly, you got to say the thing. And you know what? When you land and you think, and it changes, then you get to say, You know what, I think this. Now I've, I've upgraded my thoughts on this. I've expanded my thoughts on it, and this is how I feel. I mean, this is the this is the spiritual intelligence. This is not, you know we as women who are taking a big journey, stepping into sharing their voice in a big way, you have got to embrace. I will make mistakes. And guess what? They're just learning that's part of the success story, making a mistake because living through that and learning from that is also what gives you the confidence.

Amy Lynn Durham: Yeah, that's so it takes me back to the beginning of our conversation when I said we're doing it messy. I did, and I'm like thinking, yeah, that's that was me saying that, that we're not waiting for perfection. And I didn't, yeah, and I don't want it to be misconstrued that we're doing the network messy, but there's something that there's something in the middle there, where, if there's some pops or cracks in an audio of an episode that we can't get rid of, or a dog barks that we you know, if the message is there, the message has to get out, and we're not gonna hold ourselves back. No. And I don't have a I need an extra.on my logo that, like, isn't perfect, or, you know what I mean, like, that type of thing. And so

this in covid too, there was a sense that, you know, we got to see into people's lives in a different way. And, you know, a kid would walk through a zoom, like a really professional zoom, or a dog or cat would like, like, all of a sudden show. And there was something real life about that, and charming and and raw and spot on, and kind of took people, and again, it's like, live in the hive man, seeing how people react to that kind of shit is really interesting. It really revealing. And, you know, so I'm always game, and it makes me think about the music industry. You know how over produced and, you know, auto tuned and this and that, and nobody's breath. And, you know, massive stars who are working towards not having it like that. You know, I don't want the breath taken out. I don't want the this. I mean, this is people. This is life. Yes, is life.

Amy Lynn Durham: Why do you think albums are so popular in these stores, people going to buy they want to hear that record. They want to, you know, you're, yeah, you're and, and the reactions to the to the videos, or the that, oh, you're a human like me. You have a pet like me. Great, just like me. Now we have some some humanity that we can connect with. I'm sure there's some guardrails and barriers that we need in the workplace for stuff like that at times. But yeah, yeah.

I mean, we wouldn't want them barking all the way through. But, you know, oh, oh, okay.

Amy Lynn Durham: Well, I have a vision for the edge of every day. Yes, Lay it on me, baby. Yeah. So I really see a future with Magic Thread Media, since you already record these live, and there's really no, I mean, this is the real, the raw. I mean, I think we should fully go live down the road. So I love that, so people can engage. I mean, you're doing it anyway, and so I think that might be, I'm just dropping that in as maybe the next evolution of the show that that we can look at.

I totally love it. I thought about that in the plum in my salon space, yeah. Oh so much. So much magic to make. Oh so much magic to create. Oh Amy Linder, how thankful I am for to have you in my life as friend, as colleague, as creative playmate. It's just I'm so grateful.

Amy Lynn Durham: I feel the same so excited to have you on the network. Can. Wait for the trailer to come out. You have a new trailer launching. Yes, then you have April. So everyone can stay tuned for that. Oh, and we're so excited working behind the scenes. You have a new cover, new podcast cover coming. So like, getting in, like, I just feel like, oh, it's like album covers now it's like podcast like, so cool. And the episode dropping on your birthday, I can't wait. So yeah, thank you for coming over to the be in the thread

so we can find you at create magic@work.com, you are all over social media. You're not on blue sky. Are you?

Amy Lynn Durham: No, but I'm enough. It's enough. Yeah,

exactly. You're on Facebook and LinkedIn and Instagram, and you're both Amy Lind Durham and as well as Create Magic at Work and Magic Thread Media can be the website for that is magicthreadmedia.com

Amy Lynn Durham: and if you want to check out the shows on the network, you can go to magicthreadmedia.com or you can, if you're an apple podcast listener, any show on the network's connected. And the Magic Thread Media channel, and, yeah,

that's And while we're talking about Apple, if you're listening now and you like what you hear, subscribe, follow and leave us a review about what you hear and how this podcast has helped or changed or inspired or uplifted or expanded, you absolutely well. Amy, Lynn, thank you. Thank you again for being on the edge of everyday podcast. Thanks for talking about this extraordinary undertaking that you have created, and any last words you want to leave with the audience about how they can, I won't even say how they can any last words you have for our audience?

Amy Lynn Durham: Uh, I Well, first I want to say if anything in this conversation felt like brought something up for you, reach out to us. If you do want to start working with voice and presence, with Sandra or explore. If you're like, I have this thought I'm trying to, like, bring it to life. We can help you. The other thing Sandra, I want to say is thank you for creating the edge of every day, and for being so brave and so courageous and so like you're so far ahead, like, when we were talking about ferocious compassion, I was trying to wrap my brain around it. And this was, I think, a year ago, and now here we are, and you can see it bubbling up in all of the women influencers and in the spirit, I mean, I'm just so grateful for you, so grateful that you have the courage to sit behind the mic and share how you feel what your thoughts are, and help us think differently and help us not be afraid to do the same for us. So that's that's what I want to do. I want to thank you for that, and so excited you're coming to the network. Thank you. Thank you, and

to you my wonderful listeners. Thank you for spending this time with us, and remember you are always at the edge of the miraculous till we speak, when I'm at Magic Thread Media, take good care.