Your skincare brand might claim to be "clean," but EvanHealy is taking it to an entirely new level with regenerative organic certification.

In this conversation with Jamie Burkhalter, holistic aesthetician and herbal formulator at EvanHealy, we dive deep into the revolutionary concept of regenerative organic certified skincare. While many brands focus on organic ingredients, EvanHealy is pioneering a movement that goes beyond basic sustainability. They strive to actively heal the soil, support farming communities, and create products with unprecedented potency and purity.

The difference between organic and regenerative organic is striking. It's not just about avoiding pesticides, but about farming practices that enhance soil health, prevent erosion, and create more nutrient-dense plants. Jamie explains how EvanHealy works directly with farmers across the globe. From Morocco to Ghana, creating transparent supply chains that honor both the land and the people who tend it. This approach results in products like their whipped shea butter, which maintains its therapeutic properties through careful processing techniques.

In this episode, we also unveil Evan Healy's latest innovation - their Irish Sea Moss and Tremella Mushroom Hydrosol Cream - and discuss why their commitment to regenerative practices creates skincare that's not just clean but truly transformative. Whether you're a skincare enthusiast or just beginning your clean beauty journey, you'll gain a deeper understanding of why how your products are grown matters just as much as their ingredient list.

In today's episode, we're chatting about:

• The crucial difference between organic and regenerative organic certification

• Why melting shea butter destroys its therapeutic properties (and what to do instead)

• How Evan Healy maintains direct relationships with farmers around the world

• The science behind why regeneratively grown plants create more effective skincare

• Details about their groundbreaking new hydrosol cream featuring mushroom extracts

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  📍 📍 Hey friends, so welcome back to 📍 the Toxin for each podcast. As always, I'm your host, Wendy in Environmental Toxins Attorney Turn Clean Living Coach. And today I am really excited because for the first time in the history of this entire podcast, I have. A returning guest, I have Jamie Burkhalter here with me today.

She's an aesthetician and she's the genius herbal formulator behind Evan Healy. She is their holistic aesthetician. She is a wealth of knowledge, and after having her come and talk to my membership toxin free on tap, I learned that over the last year, Evan Healy has been in the process of getting certified as.

Ified and also getting some of their products certified as 📍 regenerative 📍 organic 📍 certified, and this is such a new thing in the skincare industry. I said, Jamie, you have to come on the podcast and we have to talk about it.

I also asked her if we could unveil their latest launch. It is that 📍 bright yellow bottle that you guys have all been seeing me use on Instagram for the last six weeks. And you've been asking me, Wendy, what are you using? What? What is that? We are finally gonna let you in on the big secret.

It is gonna rock your world. But before we jump into the episode, and as a reminder, I don't do paid ads on this podcast. That way I can elevate the brands that are doing good in the clean living space. Base, I give you a discount on products that you can try and bring into your home, and then the proceeds from those sales and commissions goes to fund this podcast.

📍 Evan Healy makes the best hydrosols on the market, regenerative, organic distilled with pure water. They're literally the greatest thing I have ever put on my face.

I probably own like seven of them right now. And after you hear all about their 📍 📍 new hydrosol cream, you're gonna want that too. So head on over to the show notes and you can get 📍 20% off of everything. Evan Healy, every single order, 20% off. It is so generous. Head on over to the show notes and go get shopping.

Let's get into it. Ified skincare, the future of the beauty industry and the mushroom cream that has me obsessed.

 so let's just, you know, start from the beginning. The last time you were on the show, we were talking about 📍 my love of Evan Healy, 📍 as a holistic skincare company that really values regenerative agriculture, organic agriculture, and we just had the most amazing conversation.

You also just came and talked to my membership, my toxin-free on tap membership, which is made up of all of my students, and we like. Dove deep onto skincare and oil and water rituals and it was so amazing and there were so many new things coming out of Evan Heal that I was like, Jamie, you have to come back on the podcast.

We have to talk about this because this is like cutting edge stuff. This is like where I hope the industry is going. And you. Evan Healy are like leading the charge. And some of the bigger things that I wanna talk about are your reified certification and what that means and some other things.

But let's just start, let's just start there. Evan Healy's been up to a lot of cool stuff lately, so why don't we just get into it.

What are you

guys up to? What are you doing? What the heck is reified? And let's go.

Yeah, so the cool thing is we actually haven't been up to anything. This is what we've always been doing. It's like the rest of the world is catching up, and that is really like for us, like the certifications are really important and great because that's where the industry's going, but for us, just confirmation really.

On what we've been doing all along. So that feels really special to us. That being said, it's amazing that like the rest of the world is catching up. , And there's this conversation that's starting to grow and, you know, I know it's starting to grow and it's starting to build like, like a snowball. It does feel really good to be on this.

of it, because we know what we're doing. With that being said, so reified, there's two different, in like the, the more commercial world. So like in your natural grocers and sprouts and whole Foods and your cooperatives, you'll start to hear more about reified and Rock. They're two different governing bot, not governing, certifying bodies for regenerative agriculture.

The first is Rock, which is regenerative, organic certified, and they use organic. As their starting point. And then there's other pillars that you build on. We're in the process of becoming rock certified, which is amazing, but it's literally like a full-time paper pushing job for two women in the back of house.

They're incredible. And then there's also certified ified, that's the other certifying body, and that really meets farmers where they're at. And 📍 farmers that are already practicing or willing to adopt regenerative farming practices, become certified with them. So we as a company are 📍 certified ified. We were, I think last year and now we have products that have so much certified ified ingredients through our farmers and stewards that we now have products that will have that.

Image on the front of pack that has been certified because whatever's in our formula, it hits that threshold that has a certain percentage where our products are also certified for ified. Using means that we're, as a company, we are, but now we're also using ingredients from stewards that meet that threshold.

So it's kind of confusing. There's a lot of, there's a lot of paperwork, there's a lot of things, but it, it's very exciting.

So let's talk about some of the things I love about the whole idea of ified. It's not just about the ingredients itself, and as amazing as it is that it is about the farming, right? It's also about the community too, right?

Yeah. Yes, a hundred percent. Yes. So the community, for us, it's about community collaboration, all of those things. Because a lot of these farms that are ified or are rock. 📍 Our small farms, they're family farms like us, our stewards or tribal villages, cooperatives, family farms. They're small. They can't sustain on their own. So it has to be a collection and a collaboration of many small farms and villages and cooperatives and people and communities that together. The only way this is going to work and really help with like that se really changing the. Has a bunch of people that have to come together.

So you have to work in collaboration with other brands. Even, you know, with farms, we have to work together in order for this to have movement and to have growth. And that's what we love most of all. We're part of this incredible group. It's called the Sustainable Herbs Initiative. And it's founded by a woman named Amber Ann Recht.

She's incredible. But she pulls together farmers. We have monthly meetings between farmers and brands on how do we meet this, like this demand for herbs specifically? 'cause we use so many of them in our product. How do we meet that? How do we collaborate? How do we work together? So that part has been really beautiful.

How many skincare companies out there do you think are doing this and moving forward and trying to get this rock and these ified certifications? I. I work with a lot of companies and right now you guys are the only ones.

I can't say for certain, but I feel like there's probably not a lot, maybe very few. I don't know of any that have, I mean, I know that there are some that are having conversation, which is great. We want everybody to have a conversation. But the, the certifications, I don't know. I don't know that there is another one.

We kind of just move forward in our own lane and, and just do what we do. It is so much paperwork and legwork and certifications and I think that that

and

transparency. Traceability, yes. And so you have to be fully open book. In order. In order, in order to make this work, you have to show, like, show the world all that you've got, , in order to maintain these certifications and all of those things.

And that takes a lot of time, effort, labor, organization, but also transparency. And that's something that we really

Yeah, in relationships, and I will say that one of the hardest parts when I'm telling people, just call. Just call the companies. Just call the brands. Ask 'em your questions. Ask 'em where they're sourcing things from. Ask 'em how they're being sourced. You know, a big question I get from people is, well, if I'm buying shampoo or skincare or something like that and it has an essential oil in it, how do I know that that essential oil was water distilled and they're not using solvents and there's no fillers, and where did they get it from?

It's really hard to be a consumer in this environment because the vast majority of the time, the brands are buying from

brokers,

right? They're buying their fragrance, they're buying their herbs, they're buying their jojoba oil. They're buying from these like big brokers who produce and bring over a ton of this material.

And so you have basic certifications like, were organic. We, we meet the standard for USDA organic,

but that

really doesn't get to the heart of like, how is it farmed? How is the local community treated? How is the soil quality? How is it produced? How is it manufactured? All of those things you just don't know.

And the reason why I. Use and love and

support Evan

Healy. Um, so much is you know exactly where you're getting every single ingredient from. And not just know and not just like, have phone calls with, but boots on the

ground

there. Know them, understand them, have

relationships

with them. Have the full

transparency,

the full paperwork, the full, I mean, everything.

You're an open book and that. That is so rare. So when you find companies like you guys, I do feel like you, you set a standard. Industry. And so I'm not surprised that, you know, as I'm asking around to other skincare companies that are, um, advertising themselves as regenerative and some of them are already

certified

organic, as I'm working with them maybe on a formulation or labeling or something else, I'll say like, Hey, have you looked into ified or, you know, rock

certified?

And I'll

say, you know, Evan Haley's doing it. And so, , they usually

say

we have no, we don't, we don't even know what that

is.

So this is very new. Right. And I love that you guys are kind of the first out of the gate.

Yeah, because if you think about it from like a skincare formulation standpoint, like IDE and Rock are great because they're, they're food that's grown, it's herbs, it's plants, and a lot of that goes into like the, the ingestible side of like commerce. And so it's very big there. When you're making skincare and things that go on your skin, you know, changes a little bit 'cause you have other ingredients and things like that.

But because for such a long time we have used real whole ingredients. And again, like you said, we know our farmers, it's a farm. Farm, it's still a farm. So for us, having a conversation with a farmer is just as natural, actually more natural than it would be to get an ingredient from someone that, that we don't know.

It, you know, right now, actually next month, our hydro, so when we go in August. Morning. And that's like something that's funny around the office is our farmers all know them by name,

My first

name. I know,

and, and I I am very, I'm very lucky.

I

was invited. I get to go to distillation with you guys in August and I'm really excited to meet some of the

people that

you are sourcing from and get to know

them and

you do you in the office first name basis.

we coming from all over the world, sore for

and

actually. We work with our farmers, we meet them where they're at and, and so they are becoming reified certified in the next couple of months. And hopefully by the time we come in August, they will be certified reified, which means all of our hydrosols will be certified reified.

And in addition, they're already certified organic, so they're already doing it. So there isn't a big change in their practices. It's just getting that certification saying, we're already doing this. We're not tilling, we're not mono cropping, we're not using pesticides, we're not using synthetic fertilizers.

All of those things that that differentiate regenerative from.

from.

Organic farming, organic farming. We're already doing that. And then in addition, we're bringing in our stewards from all over the world, from Ghana, from Morocco. So you'll get to meet all of them as like, as just a collaboration. Like, let's see where this gets us.

Let's have this conversation. Let's see what we can do to bring light to this and Rex's gonna be there. So it just a really exciting melting pot from all.

How do we bring light to this?

And I, I think the other thing that it really highlights,

and I'm glad

that these certifications are

starting to

come out

because I do,

you know,

as people started talking about

regenerative agriculture and I talk, I talk about it a ton. I have a ton of podcasts. You know, young

Living

has been also doing regenerative agriculture for decades.

There's a lot of companies

out

there that have been practicing it for a really long time, but now that it's starting to get traction and people starting to talk about it, you have a lot of advertising of,

oh,

we have regenerative practices, but there's never been a. Standard. And so it's great to see 📍 these farmers and these people who have been already doing things the right way, in a way that honors the land and honors frankly the ingredient that comes out of

the land

for the benefit of the consumers and the products that you're creating.

That they're able to say, Hey, no, we, we already do this.

We meet these standards, and to get that certification.

Because

what I think is gonna happen is

consumers will start asking for it and driving sources to. Better practices, which is what we wanna see.

Yeah. Because in reality it changes that part of it, right. So, having that conversation, but it changes the output of what we're able to produce as well. it changes the vitality of the planet. It changes the potency of it, it changes what you're putting on your skin, as well as what you're eating, what you're consuming it, you know, it's, it's helpful for the people, it's helpful for the farmers.

It's a whole community. It's really a holistic. And traditional approach to farming and what we should be doing. But you're right, the certifications are important because we all know what happens with like greenwashing and how quickly those buzzwords can become purely a marketing scheme and a bureaucracy.

And so certified reified and certified rock, they have really high standards and you have to meet these certain standards in order to be able to use their likeness and their claims. And so right now. We are in the process of becoming rock certified, which is amazing. We purchased rock certified ingredients like our olive oil from Frantoio Grove was the very first rock certified olive oil.

We've talked about this. Our jojoba oil comes from Halco jojoba, the very first rock certified oil, our sunflower seed oil. In order for us, we. Call out that we're using them even though we, we purchased from them. We have OSHA farms. We'll be getting almost 30 different herbs from them that we use in tinctures and extracts. This summer, they're growing them for us specifically to put in our plants or in our, the plants, in our products. So they have these standards which are there for a reason and it because it keeps everybody up here that really wants to participate in it because it's way more than just growing plants. Honoring what everybody's trying to do.

a

percent.

So

you mentioned your Shea. When you came and talked to my membership group, you said something that I didn't even know, because, you know, I'm very well versed on the sourcing and the, and the growing and the manufacturing and how you extract things and why that matters. But you said that your whipped shea,

📍 📍 which is

one of my favorite products of yours, we were talking about, healing the acid mental barrier over

face

for people who have rosacea and broken skin and, and you know, that kind of thing.

And you said. Don't melt it, whip

it.

Can you talk about that

conversation?

I, because you totally blew my mind. I was like, wait, what?

so this has been something that, you know, David, he originally met these 200 people, Wayne Gifty, where we originally got our Shea butter from.

And David, David's the

owner of Evan Healing, so.

yes, he's our co-founder, our CEO. He's like the man in charge who's leading this whole regenerative movement, which we love him for that. He loves people and plants and, it's more important than everything.

So anyways, so the shea, yes, it loses that therapeutic value. And when you get, if you've ever seen it in its raw form, I mean it is very dense. It's hard it.

like a brick.

And so

people melt it.

melt it because you think that's the easiest way, right, is just melt it down and then you can air it, , then you can put it in your formulation, but it loses it's magic really when you melt it.

So for us, when we make our whip, she. In the lab, literally they like will shave it almost. And our shea is totally raw, unrefined, the most beautiful, creamy, velvety soft. Like it's just so amazing and we don't wanna lose that. So they will like shave it off into small pieces. We put it in a giant mixer and it literally whips for like six hours and it turns.

this like.

Fluffy like whipped cream. It's decadent and it makes it melt immediately on your skin. And then you retain all of its therapeutic properties, which really do heal your acid mantle that sits on your skin. Your skin metabolizes it. It has so many vitamins and minerals and essential fatty acids, and it's so good, but when you whip it, it really, it retains all of that and you don't lose anything.

Um.

I had no idea. I think especially because, I use a lot of essential oils in my life and I

do a lot of DIYing.

So I have that like double boiler and like melting the jojoba to make the als and. I mean, for 10 years I've been doing that and never, not

one

time did anyone say to me, you know, when you melt that ho

hobo you're

losing, like, or the shea, you're, when you're melting the shea, you're, you, you're losing a lot of the nutrients and the reason why Shea is amazing,

For your skin and that you could whip it.

And so I actually. When you had that conversation with my membership, I

whipped up

some Shea and it actually went really well. But your whipped shea is better. You must have like the, the commercial, you know.

we have a lockdown on like the good stuff. It's a truly, it's a beautiful product and the way that it's, you know, it's made and produced. Julius will be there, you'll be able

Oh, I'm

so

From Ghana in, in August. So it is a really special product.

I

love

that. That has become a product I absolutely love, love, love, love, love that I tell everybody about.

And never have I been, ever, I've always thought of being really heavy and greasy and oil and this

No.

skin combine. It's just your skin metabolizes it and it sit there, but it creates that occlusive layer that we're looking for when we're trying to seal in moisture. But it allows oxygen to come and go still, which is what's crucial when you're trying to seal in moisture. You still need that flow of oxygen to bring nutrients to and from.

Your skin breathes just like your lungs do, and you have to have that inhalation in the exhalation. If you don't, then you're just

sealing,

robbing.

Yeah, E, everybody needs to try your whi She, it's like an, it's an experience

you'll.

It's.

I don't know, a

conversation that you and I have had as friends behind the scenes

is two people

who,

you know,

you obviously work with Ev,

Evan Healy.

I work with,

Young

Living and as well as a

lot of other

brands behind

the scenes.

And, and something that really bothers me is, you know, as you're talking about these amazing sources, you're like, oh, we have this like rock certified ho hobo oil.

In my head I'm thinking about all the brands. That I work with that source ho hobo oil and would love to have a ified, certified organic, know that it's

coming

from regenerative agriculture, source. I see a lot

of competition

between companies where I

think there

could be so much collaboration.

I mean.

especially

in some of these like really good quality high end skincare brands that are out there now that I just

wanna

be like, Hey, there's this source of Shea

here and

there's this source of jojoba

here,

And you can

get,

um,

You know, there's a company that I

work

with that

is a land management company that owns their own farms, that farms regeneratively that.

Now has essential oils and, floral waters and biomass for, that's available for sale,

for like sourcing.

And I'm like, where's the co-op on that side? Like where's their

com?

Where's the

community and

the cooperative for brands to come together to share the farmers that they're sourcing from and to put them out into the world and say, Hey, look, you know, skincare companies, if you are looking for regenerative, organic, like

here, go source from

them. And I don't, I don't see that happening. And I don't know if it's strictly because

people are,

oh, the

competition. I don't

wanna buy from this person's

source or

that person's source. But that's how we grow

these

sources and that's how we support These farmers.

Yeah, I would say go to our website because we have all there, we have contact information. We'll,

because

we understand that we're just a drop, we're a drop in the pond and we, we can't. Order enough to keep any of these stewards in business. And we gladly likely share. I mean, that Ouris jojoba, we got that reference from Dr.

Broun. They shared it with

Oh see, being

cooperative,

I

love

yes. And so,

Bronner.

Through,

you know, they are wonderful. We, we asked them questions about this or that, you know, like it's that collaborate collaboration, and. And I mentioned the Sustainable Herbs Initiative. It's a group where we get together every month and, and we talk about, , sources.

It's, , and we will put the feelers out like, we're looking for this source, you know, do you have it? Here's where you get it. And the farmers know that they can share that too. You know, when Freddy was here from Holis Coho, but he was telling us all about Dr. Bronner, how they helped him get his rock certification, you know, how they so it, it is about that.

And because there is more than enough. To go around. There's more

than enough. If you think about all the, if you think about all the jojoba that's in all of the ingredients and all of the skincare and all of the land,

And how much

of,

it's terrible. Let's just, let's just

talk about,

yeah, let's just talk about how terrible, like you, you can look at an ingredient on a skincare product and it can say ho hobo oil. I mean, there's ho hobo oil and then there's ho hobo oil, like you

Or there's argon oil and then there's

argon oil.

You just don't

know. And

so I just, I don't know.

I had this like dream in my head of

like,

this co-op, maybe we need an app. We need to like

create, like a,

a bot or make it something that's like simple to like

share. And, and

you and I have al

I've also shared

my frustration behind the

scenes of like,

there's all these manufacturers out there that have these

formulations that maybe have

not so great ingredients

in there.

You have these small companies that are trying to do the right thing, but they

can't buy

enough units to get the manufacturer to do like a custom formulation. But then I have like three companies that I'm supporting and they all use the same manufacturer.

And if

they all would just come together and collaborate, they could be bigger in numbers.

And so I guess the whole idea of this conversation is like we're all on the same team. Like the companies that are trying to really source organically and regeneratively

high

quality products, we can all come together to really highlight and lift up and purchase from these sources. And I love that you post them right on your website.

Yeah, we're really proud of what we do. We also understand the lane that we're in and, we're really comfortable with our stance and our very simple routine and our rituals and our 📍 anti-aging, anti, anti-aging, pro aging philosophy and all of those things. And understanding, , that there's a place in every lane for people to be a part of this.

There's enough space in the world. And it's about the people too, like, you know, when it comes down to the farmers and it comes down to the people that are involved and really understanding the farmers. You know, I was in a working group about this. It was so interesting meeting the farmers, hearing their.

Concerns about honoring the plant and the amount of work it takes for them to 📍 plant the seed, to grow it, 📍 to then harvest it, to help 📍 reduce waste and to not be flippant with what you've been given. So for us to take it into the lab and to not be flippant with all of these, , raw materials and just discard them like we honor them, we honor the plants, you know, we honor that.

And back to what you were saying about manufacturing, in minimum order quantities, it can be detrimental to a small brand. Fortunately for us, we make things here inhouse, so we have that control. But, but minimum order quantities are, if you're just on that precipice of, you know, ordering something, 'cause then it's not gonna, because you're holding all that inventory.

So, so that is a challenge and

We're. Whatever quantity we need and we often end up making them. The benefit then is that we end up making them in smaller batches more frequently, so it's fresh, like it's really like farm fresh skincare or as fresh as it can.

It is. I love it. I love it. I love it. Okay. Let's wrap up

with.

I don't know if you're on YouTube, you can see me hold holding a product and no lie. So this, this

is

what, like,

Have

A, I think I it to.

it, you were like, I made something, can you try it? And I was like, oh, can I try it? Send it over.

And so  it's this

beautiful

like orange, yellow. Color. I don't know how else to

explain

it. If

you're

on YouTube, you can see it. It's 60% gone because I've literally been using it every single day,  and everybody knows I'm super picky. I have my

skincare routines

that includes oven healing. I have like my three brands

that

I like.

I

will test a million brands, but I immediately go back to what I love and this I've been using. So explain to me and to everyone listening, the

newest,

latest, and greatest product.

It's so funny 'cause we all do the same thing here, but I think that our entire pro, I mean our product development team worked on that for, it feels like a hundred years to get it. Just, just right. So many iterations, so many, like, let's just try to, to, you know, to switch this a little bit or switch that a little bit.

What if we added this and so we, like, it was such a collaboration for such a. When we finally got it, we were like, oh, this is different. It's not a regular moisturizer, it is a moisturizer, but it has all of these incredible ingredients, like 📍 the trella mushroom, the Irish sea moss. It has marshmallow, it has niacinamide, it has MSM.

This color comes from an abundance of sea buckhorn, which if you've seen it in the raw, it's like bright orange with the sun. So there's that. There's tulsi Hydrosol. There's.

There's.

You know, Clover, there's Arnica. Risso. There's so many skin loving botanicals in here that really truly not just seal in and moisturize your skin, but it binds to the water and it gives you this like plumped up appearance without feeling tacky or sticky.

It's a true hydrating moisturizer, which I think 📍 with moisturizers you don't always find that.

Yeah.

📍 That's where the oil and water I love so much, but following it up with this, like when I do it at night, it's lightweight, so it spreads very easily, but it's so deeply like penetrating and nourishing to the skin.

So it's great for all skin types, but it has all of those like buzzword and incredible ingredients like the MSM or niacinamide or

So I. I'm an MSM obsessive

person.

So I,

I

mean, I'm, everybody knows I'm like kind of the antis supplement person unless you actually need it for a reason and you know, you need it for a reason. But Sulfur Zyme is an Ms. M internal supplement, and my, one of my favorite lotions, which has been out of stock forever and ever and ever, , has MSM powder in it's known as the Beauty Mineral.

I mean, literally just go, look, go look. It's,

skin strengthening. It's like, it's all the things that your skin could, could benefit

so good, and when you didn't tell me was in it.

All

You were just like, just, just try it.

I went in blind.

So a couple weeks later, I think I texted you and I was like, okay,

let

me see if I can guess what's in this. And I started like guessing

ingredients

and I would've never thought

MSM, but I

do remember thinking to myself,

my skin

is so glowy and plumpy, it reminds me

of my

skin moisturizer that I used to use, my body

moisturizer that used

to have MSM in it.

So I was really

stoked to hear. That, that

was there and then

hell Christ Heli

Christ is one

of my absolute favorite.

You know, I use it as as an essential oil, but it's so good for healing your skin. And I use it

for like

scars, and, you know, discoloration and things

like that. And, and

this moisturizer is incredible.

I am, I'm hard to impress and I'm.

I

know you. I was

I send it? Do I not

send it confident.

It's okay to send it like it's,

You know, you don't wanna live in an echo chamber and everyone, like four people tell you it's great. Like you wanna send it to the people that you know are gonna give you the

I'm like, eh, it's okay.

we like put it in the mail like this, like, because we've worked on it for so long and we love it so much.

And so when you were like, it's great. I was like, okay, we can all breathe now.

good. It's so, so good.

And the

pres

it's available

yeah, and the preservatives are great too. I was so happy. Yay. Can you send me the ingredients that I read it and I like did a happy dance in my living room. I was like, this is so good. It's

so

good.

And

everyone, everyone in the office, they like, she's like, Wendy's checked off, right? Like, we've gotten like, I'm like, we've gotten the check. We're fine. We can move forward.

So when can people buy it?

Well, you can buy it right now on evan healy.com. Um, use your link, um, so you

way, my entire audience, if you're listening to this,

you get 20%

off all of Evan Healy all the

time. So linked in the show notes.

Don't forget, use the link. You'll get your 20% off.

Yes. And if you like to shop brick and mortar, like traditional stores, that it'll be available later this year and into next year. But for right now, because we have it, because we make it and we are just like, let's just, it's too good to hold onto. We'll just launch it now so that you can follow up with it.

it called? Would you name it? There was some,

Irish CMOs and Ella, and then it's a hydrosol cream. So Hydrosol cream, because there's so much hydrosol in it. And we, we wanted to like, we wanted , to introduce the idea that it's cre, it, it has so much water. It's the oil and water together, so it's not thick, it's thin. I mean, it's so hard when you're naming something to have like four words that are gonna have this crazy impact.

Hydrosol cream. I like that. remember Irish Moss when you're looking for it.

Yes. Yes. And just remember the bright color. It'll be in a box, it'll be in a green box if you're in stores. But bright yellow in a pump, you can't miss it.

it, and yours has a label on it, so I need to get a new one. Oh, I'm

so excited. Thank you for letting me be a tester. I truly,

truly

appreciate it. So. The third time that I have you on

the podcast, we're gonna

be talking about how everyone

is

now Reified certified and all of the amazing sources and the

ROCK

certification and hopefully this

is the

very beginning

of the industry continuing

to, you know, move this

direction.

So that not only can we heal the earth, and

as I always say,

clean the air,

Heal our skin,

heal our bodies, because

at the end of the

day,

changing the way that we farm is

the only way we are going to

clean up

our environment

and clean up and heal our bodies.

So.

A hundred percent. And it is, and, and I think that there is traction behind it. And I think it just as conversations like these, the small conversations and that Ripple starts to build and, it is so important. Luckily, like I said, for us it's, we're just grateful because it means that we're doing something right and we haven't, because there haven't been humongous changes on our end.

It's just a lot more paperwork and like in the lab, in very.

But

yeah, it is, it's crucial. It is crucial for us, for, for the people, for the planet, for everybody that lives here. It's crucial to make these changes, and for everybody to be aware of them. And that only I think, happens when you talk about it and you sometimes you say like, we'll talk about it to someone.

And they're like, what's this? And you're like, how do you not know about this? Like, it's all we talk about, you know? It's, it's, it's part of our vernacular. It's just, you know, it's just what we do every day. But I think it's, it's having to have the conversation over and over and over and over again so you're blue in the face because you know, people, people are interested, I think, and I think people, they're interested if they just understand it.

Like it's just, it's kind of like a no brainer. We have one photo of, when we were in, at f Olive oil, the olive oil grove, like, our photographer took a photo of like the regenerative farm at, and then their neighboring farm is organic. Except for that, it looks like the dust bowl,

Oh, it's

and then you have like a

regenerative

no comparison. I mean, there's organic just means you're not using pesticides like, but it's

still, you're still ruining the soil. You're still

tilling, you're still planting in rows, you're still monocropping, you're still like, there's just, I mean, it's better.

It's better, but it is not

the

same. Regenerative agriculture is, is not even in the same hemisphere as organic

and it's really when you have those microbes, the fungi, you have that the bio culture within the soil, that the soil is able to then speak to the plants, and the plants are, then they're able to communicate more effectively with regenerative farming. And that's like the long and short of it.

Plants are alive just like we are. They can communicate with their soil if it's alive, just like they're,

And

then the quality of the plants that end up in your skincare is way better quality

on,

on your face.

It's bananas difference, like two herb or two plants of the same name. Are are, they're not really. They're very, very different.

Well, thank

you

for being here, Jamie, and I just wanna end this by letting everyone know Jamie loves doing free consultations. And for skincare, and my membership has taken advantage of that.

And

you have spent so much of your time 📍 lovingly talking to people about their skin conditions

and offering

support for like, which, products are great for them from the Evan Healy line.

So I'm gonna put your email address in the show notes. And so if anybody wants to get

a

skincare consultation, from Jamie, then you know they can

just

shoot you an email.

Yes. And if for some reason you don't hear from me because I have a few people still to get back to, you can always go on. We have a whole team of estheticians now, 5, 6, 7, that are amazing. That can also, if you want one

If you want one sooner. Got it. I'll put both. I'll put both the links

Yes. So the consultations they do there are amazing too. So if you don't hear back from me, it's not because I don't care, it's because I'm probably making some for you to get out.

I

love

it.

Thanks Jamie. I'll see you next time.

Thank you. Okay. Bye.