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In this episode of Don't Get This Twisted, Robb and Tina dive into the complexities of modern relationships, exploring how societal shifts, social media, and changing gender roles impact dating culture today. Whether you're single, in a relationship, or just curious about the current landscape, this discussion offers valuable perspectives.

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And welcome to another show of Don't Get This Twisted. I am Rob, along with my co-host as always, Tina. How you doing, Tina?

hear you.

Hanging in there. I'm talking up until we're going through the intro. I don't normally do that. Right into it.

Wow

Right, right, right up into it. But yeah, you know, we're throwing this together. We almost didn't record today because my Internet was taking a shit. But lo and behold, what do you know? We're right back in it. Yeah, I got home and my son was like, hey, the Internet's already working. I was like, cool, because it we got something saying that it might be out until 10 p.m. and I was like, but.

We're here.

kind of had a backup, was going to record something with him, but he never even said he would. So he's being kind of a douchebag. Good times. Good times. Yeah, right. So one of our things on our list from many, many moons ago was why modern men are opting out of dating modern women.

Wrong day.

Gotta love your kids. Gotta love them.

Hmm.

yeah, we've talked about it like sparingly here and there. but wow, I, I watch a lot of this, like, I mean, I hate to say red pill, but kind of red pill stuff where, you know, both sides are saying crazy shit and kind of where everyone's at. man, women, women and men were so far off right now.

Basically more men are single than ever and a growing number of choosing to stay away from it. Okay. Here's some here's a little hook question for is it fear frustration or just a shift in what men actually want? Kind of a good question.

You

every bit of it. It's all those things.

Yeah, here's the real question. Here's the real question. Are men rejecting women or rejecting the current dating culture?

Ooh, I don't know. What do you think?

You know, I think it's hard. Some of these statistics that I'll throw you over a statistic real quick that I think is scary. I'll throw you a couple, but the first one is it says roughly 60 % plus of young men report being single versus 30 % of women.

60 % are single. Dating app data shows that the top 10 to 20 % of men get the majority of matches, so 80 % of men on there aren't even getting a match. Marriage rate, yeah, that's what the data shows right now.

Hmm.

Really?

Marriage rates are declining and age of first marriage is rising. So people are either opting out of marriage or waiting until much later. And men are reporting higher levels of dating burnout and rejection fatigue.

Mm-hmm.

That's a thing?

Yeah, men are just over getting rejected. They're just like, fuck it, why do it?

Batigue from dating?

Dating burnout. I think that's more of just going on way too many dates and not finding someone worth continuing with. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And look, mean...

Yeah.

Not connecting. Yeah.

That's... wow. I never... I've never in my life heard dating fatigue. That kind of blows my mind.

Yeah, and and look

Just because who knows that sort. I mean, we didn't come from that era. So how could you even think that it would be something like that?

No.

Exactly. think it's crazy to think like that. But I think that we also had no social media. So we had to go out and actually meet people.

Yeah.

Mm-mm. None at all.

Yeah.

You know, something's changed obviously, and it's not just one side, it's both sides. Something's changed.

Yeah. Well, I think the rise of we don't need you men is part of the problem. You know, because that's all you hear. I don't need you. I don't need you. You kind of do. How do you think you got knocked up in the first place? You didn't do that all by yourself. Come on.

I know. I'm having... I'm struggling with the way that people are these days though.

Absolutely.

Well, I mean, I think there's a lot of unrealistic standards, right? This is what, at least from the men's point of view, this is what they're feeling. Women expect high income status and lifestyle. Social media amplifies top tier expectations and the average guy just feels invisible.

Mm-hmm.

I think that's probably very true on a lot of levels.

Hmm.

How?

Yeah, mean, women expect these, you know, people to be making six figures. It's a very bizarre thing we're in right now where women want to be independent, but they still want the old school approach to things. You know what I mean?

I don't know that they do because it doesn't seem like they respect it.

no, but I think that they expect it. They might not respect it, but they expect it. You know, I think women still think that that they should be taken care of and, know, that the man should pay for everything and, you know, be protected and all these old school type of

The way that...

standards, but women aren't giving what old school standards are back.

Mm-hmm. They definitely aren't.

Do you know what I mean? Like they want to be, yeah, they want to be independent still. They want to go hang out with their friends. They want to go on girls weekends. They want to do all this single shit, but still have a man at home that takes care of the bills and protects them.

And again, this is just by what men are saying.

Well...

I don't know. think that it's important for girls to have their group of people too. the girls weekends, I mean, no, you should not be acting like you're single when you go out if you're not single. But I'm all for women getting together and having that time because that's their circle and they need to keep it tight. And I've always been one of those people that did that. But I also made sure that there was food in the fridge or the freezer and there was

Everything that I needed to get done was done for my husband and that's just the way life was. didn't drop the ball and I definitely wasn't going out to check out and be with other men. When I'm with my friends, I'm with my friends.

Right, but now it's like, okay, I'm gonna play devil's advocate in this. I'm gonna play the, this is what men are probably thinking role. Let's start with like just going to the club. Like why go to the club? Why would you go with just your girls to the club and not go with your man?

I wouldn't if he didn't well unless he didn't want to go but I always would say hey go go with us or let's go hang out and do it together

Absolutely, but what what would you think if If a girl goes to her man says no, we just want all the girls to go out tonight Should he and if he says no is he being is he being you know control live or is he does he just have standards

one could take that either way. I mean, I never, I don't remember any of my boyfriends, my husband or any, even my dad telling me what to do, where to go, how to do it. But it was assumed that there was a certain level of respect that needed to be met and that I was to act accordingly, you know, and it was...

So.

It was more just a thing of trust. Like we just trusted each other. No different than when my ex would go out with his friends that are all musicians and you know, and have gigs and do whatever they were doing. He was out there too. But again, it's, mutual respect and trust and, and honor. You know, you have to be, if you're going to be with somebody, you're going to say you're going to be a certain way than have integrity and be that way. So.

I don't, we didn't really suffer in that area because we had a really full life together and separately.

No, I get that. We'll get back to that in a second. I want to throw this one at you. It says dating apps broke the marketplace. Apps like Tinder and Bumble created a swipe culture. So quick rejection, choice overload, heavy imbalance in attention. Women get way more. Men experience way less match rates and much more high competition.

Okay.

So I think that this is what's also turning modern men off. They're just like, they can't win for losing. You know what I mean? They, they go to a bar and there's, you get rejected and then you're going, you go, screw it. I'll just go the modern way and start swiping and you're not going to get anything because not just the imbalance of attention, but also that the apps just aren't built for

Mm-hmm.

for real matching. It's a very, if you're not paying, you're probably not matching. I saw a thing or it was on a podcast they were talking about that they're literally built to keep people on there.

Mmm.

because they want you paying the monthly and getting very small bits of cheese. The rat doesn't understand that the free cheese is in a trap.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

You know what mean? Like they just they don't get it. So and obviously fear of rejection, but I think there's always been that, you know, cold approaching is not easy. It's just not. But I think that. 100%, but I also think that now with so many phones, people are just afraid of being filmed and humiliated for clicks.

Mm-mm.

Anytime you approach it's not easy.

Hmm.

So I think men are just like, fuck it. It's hard. And then here's one for you. Financial pressure. Traditional expectation, man as a provider still exists, but cost of living is up and wages haven't really at pace. So modern expectations with an economy that doesn't support them.

I think that, we live in the modern world and if someone really thinks that you're going to be provided for in today's day and age, you're out of your mind. And mostly if you think you're going to work and not contribute to the cause, you know what I mean? Like, I think women think that like,

Hmm.

Mm-hmm.

And again, I'm ballparking this. I don't want to say, yes, it's a high number or a low number, but I've seen the TikToks that people have been posting on YouTube. And their thing is that these women who have jobs think that that's their money, and they still think that their bills are going to be paid for by somebody else.

So.

in a perfect world I mean come on if you're if you're working and you're not contributing maybe if it's not in money but you're doing everything for that person that's one thing but if you're if you're just skating by why even be with you there's no benefits

Well, in a perfect w-

Right. Well, I'll give you the example then if we're going to talk a perfect world. The perfect world then is if I'm doing everything, you stay at home and take care of the house and that's what you do. You don't go to work.

Do you see what I mean? No, no, not to me. saying I'm playing devil's advocate here. If I'm the man, I don't want you to go to work. You should be at home. I'm taking care of you. You don't need to go to work. What do need to go to work for?

That's perfect to you or?

You see what I mean? If we're looking for traditional values, traditional value is I want you to stay at home and take care of the house and then have babies. I'm just playing the devil's advocate here of the reality of what we're all saying. You don't need money anymore. I'm taking care of you, so just stay at home. But the modern woman's not gonna do that because she wants to have her own money.

Mm-hmm.

Right, right.

But if you have a job and you have your own money, you should be contributing to the house.

Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

So this is where I think everything is being, this is why men are saying no. Men are going, why am going to take care of you? And then you're going to pocket all this money. It's like, no, we should, we should both be flourishing. So, and women are against 50 50. That is something that is just

Absolutely.

not happening. I've seen all these women. I will never date a man who says he wants 50-50. Well, there's going to be a lot of women that don't have men. Because I think men are just over that too.

Who is saying these things that I don't want 50-50?

It's on TikTok. there's plenty of these. There's there. There are women that are like relationship coaches that are telling women not to do this. That are basically saying like, if a man wants this, like you just need to walk away and find somebody better.

I'm so glad I don't see this shit.

Really?

So like these are things that are being set out into the world. Now don't get me wrong. I think that there's, there is the Manosphere. There's like Andrew Tate who's, you know, opposite of that. He's basically saying, you know, if they don't want to do this, go find another hoe because there's plenty of women out there that have sex with you. And I think that's what men are just now doing.

Yeah.

men are just going out finding women having sex with them and then never talking to them again because it's less of a headache.

Right?

Which is, you know, and again, like I think it's it's crazy. Right. So like, it's kind of like this, like there's there's a huge shift in like gender roles. Right. Women are more independent and men, you know, they we don't even know what's expected of of us anymore or what role we play. If you're so independent, what do you need a man for? Now, I can argue.

Mm-hmm.

You know, we've updated independence, but we haven't updated expectations. So both of us are independent now. Right? We don't need women. I clean my own house. I do my own laundry. I do my own dishes. Neither of us need each other now. You know, which is we're at a cross point, right? We're at the fork in the road.

Mmm.

Mm-hmm.

Well, you still need each other. You need you need each other to procreate. You need each other for for companionship. You need each other for

you know, lifestyle.

Yeah, okay, I agree with that, but do we? Do we need each other for companionship? Sounds like women are just hanging out with women and dudes are hanging out with dudes.

I would say so. Yeah.

I think romantically we need them. It totally is, but it's companionship. I think that we've now just replaced that. know, we've, dudes would rather.

Yeah, that's a different kind of a companionship though. Yeah, that's still companionship though.

Yeah, but there's still hormones and drive and wanting to get laid. I mean, there's still all of that. That didn't go anywhere.

Right, but both of us can do that now without any commitment. But you can do that without commitment. and again, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I'm not, I don't agree with a lot of that stuff I'm saying. I'm just saying that it's easy to see why men are giving up. Because women want the world and.

channel.

Well, it sounds kinda dismal for them.

Yeah, it is. I think that there's something to that. It's like, look, there's emotional risk versus reward, right? Fear of divorce, fear of losing your assets, custody of your children. So why get married? The risk is higher than the reward. What's the reward? And that's like an honest question.

Mm-hmm.

What if you stay together? What if you have a good relationship and you have a happy home and you have happy kids? And that's the reward.

But the odds say that that's not going to happen. And 80 % of divorces are started by women.

and 90 % if they're college educated.

Hmm. I don't know.

Really?

Yeah. So you put two college educated people together, 90 % of the women are the ones who start to divorce. And the biggest thing of excuse is, I'm just not happy.

It's not cheating or...

Yeah. Followed by money. No. Cheating's, think, like, infidelity is like third or fourth on the list. Not being happy and then money. Money problems is generally the next thing.

Mmm.

So I get the risk versus reward. I totally understand it. Now, I've been married and divorced. there's, I've already gone through the cycle at least one time.

Hmm.

Yeah.

So I understand why men, mostly men who have already been married, I understand the fear. Mostly if you got burnt in the first one. You if you got burned in the first one, ooh.

Definitely. Mm-hmm.

That could be rough.

Yeah, it's not anything... I don't know that I necessarily got burnt, but... That's something I don't need to go through again.

Yeah, I think being burnt in it and stress are probably walk hand in hand where men probably end up paying more, getting less, right? They don't get to their kids as much. They have to lose their home. They lose all their assets, at least 50 % in this state. But the stress on top of it is just absurd.

and won't go through again.

Mm-hmm.

right.

Hmm.

So yeah, I mean, I can see both sides of it. Here's one that I think is very much true from a man's point of view and probably from women's, but a different kind of thing. It says access to alternatives, entertainment, gaming, porn, social media. There's less urgency to pursue relationships because we have something filling.

and get it.

are oxytocin. Right. Yeah. Or just something you're into. People would rather have fun in their hobby than stress out over going home at night. And I know that's it's sad, but very true. You know, I mean, people are a lot of work.

distractions. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

So.

That's what I hear.

It's true. People are a lot of work and some people are a lot of work. I they're just the way that they're set up or the way that they're thinking is. So it doesn't mean that it's a bad thing. It just means that you have to understand who you're with, right? I mean, I've been told I'm a lot of work.

Mm-hmm.

I've been told I'm a lot. So like for me, it's like, okay, like, so, but you know, what would you rather do? Would you rather, you know,

Me too.

Be a two blocks from home and pull over on the side of the street and stress out about going home because you don't want to be there. Or would you rather drive home, you know, pick up a pizza and go home and play PlayStation? You know what I mean? Like I, I get both sides of it. And with a lot of modern gaming, you know, I'm going to look for from the younger side of view.

Yeah.

You get on and you talk with your friends. They're all there. They're all wanting to play. Everyone's got a headset. Everyone's got a microphone. You sit and just bullshit about the things that you like with people. It's very odd, but I can see the social part of it is there without having to leave the house.

Mm-hmm.

Definitely. It definitely is. I mean, you could be talking to somebody all day and people play for hours and hours.

Yeah, it's odd.

Yeah, yeah. I mean when my son is off work, that's what he does. He sleeps until a certain point in the day and then games until it's time to go to sleep.

Hmm.

Damn.

Which is, which is, mean, look, I get part of that. I mean, I did it when I was young, but not on that level. You know, I would play for a couple of hours and then I'd go do something else.

You get it?

Yep.

But they can.

And that's how it should be. You shouldn't sit on it all day every day.

Right, but here's the thing, know, if companionship is optional, effort becomes optional.

Mm-hmm. Definitely.

So if they, they just don't have to worry about it, you know what mean?

So.

It... It seems really lonely. Like as we're sitting here talking about it, it just feels lonely. Like everything you're saying just... sounds lonely.

Yeah, it is. I think both sides are lonely. And again, this is just from the videos that I see. There's a...

There's women that are doing these TikToks that are just like, we're all good men at, you know, and they're, they're single and they're like, what do I need to do? And, you know, people are talking about like they, remember back in the day where they would have, like single meetup, like, people would put together like a thing at a bar and not speed dating, but like everyone who comes to the bar tonight come if you're single so you can meet.

Like speed dating or...

somebody else, right? Yeah, similar to that. Like, it's a singles night, basically what it was. And these girls videoed it, you know, they went there. It was all women except for like four dudes. No men went.

meet and greet.

Wow.

Yeah, so I think we're at a stalemate. Dudes just aren't going, you know? now, and again, bear with me because I'm spitting out things that I saw and we've talked about it on the pod before, women will not accept coffee dates. They're like, no, if you're not going to take me to dinner, I don't want to go.

Yeah

So now you know what men are doing? They're not asking. Yeah, a first date should be about seeing if you like the person enough to go out to dinner with them.

Really?

Mm-hmm.

But now, so both sides are at this thing where women are telling other women don't go on coffee dates and now men are telling men don't go then. So, so both sides are, being counterproductive. You know, I now look if coffee is not your thing because it's not yours.

He's a...

Mm-hmm.

There has to be something that is the equivalent of not spending $100 on a meal that you might never see the person again. And not trying to cheap out, but actually speaking with somebody to see who they are.

Right? think that's... that's what we... well, when we were younger, that's what we did when we first met up with people. And then you built a connection and then you said you liked each other and then you got together. But I'm noticing now it seems like the dating culture is let's meet, fuck, and then if I like you, then we'll talk about it later. Like it... we're at a place where there isn't real,

you know.

Closeness that it's not There's no feelings involved now. It's just straight. We're gonna get down and do this and that's that

Or, don't need you, I don't want you, you're not gonna be around me. Like, there's a few things that happen, it's ridiculous. People don't give each other time to get to know each other.

So.

Yeah, well, because I think now if it's not a certain kind of date, women won't take it. And now men have just given up. We're just like,

can't say that I blame you though.

Yeah, so now I'm gonna give a little counterbalance here, because this is kind of what women are saying about men. And you can, we'll bounce these off. The first one is, men aren't emotionally available.

I would agree with that. But men aren't emotionally available anyway at first.

Yeah, but I think just in general, that's probably a pretty big statement. But I also think that because if men come out and are emotional, women think they're weak.

Okay.

So, lack of effort or ambition is what they're saying about men that we just, we don't have any effort or ambition. I would agree with that. I think that men don't get that until much later in life. If you're looking at a 20 year old, know, 25 year old guy, he's probably, yeah, his effort or ambition probably isn't huge. It takes a while for us. know, fuck it. I didn't.

Yeah.

really grow up till I was, you know, just before I got married. Because I didn't have to. Look, we are different.

Yeah.

Well, and your life was set up as such as you did what you wanted to do and most of it was not, you know, it was an adult things. You enjoyed the wrestling world. You enjoyed, I remember you did comic books. Like you just did different things, but you, lot of it was you did worse. Like, you know, just one person doing them, which was you. You were kind of secluded.

Yeah. Yeah, because I.

Pretty much. That's,

You kinda kept yourself at bay.

Yeah, for sure. So this is another thing women are saying about men. They want traditional women without being traditional men. But I also think that that's vice versa.

I was gonna say.

I mean, it's the truth. I think men want traditional women. think they want, within reason, they want someone who wants to be at home, that wants to be around them, wants to really be a couple. I also think we're just built differently. Women don't stop, men just want to hang out and chill.

is it.

Mm-hmm.

Women are go, go, go, go, go. Men are like, chill the fuck out. I worked all day, leave me alone. We are different. Also men, know, we have a tolerance for going out all the time. Like we don't want to do it. We do it because women mostly want to. And once it reaches past a certain level that we're like, I don't want to go out anymore.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

and then you pop off and be like, don't like your friends either. You know, then you end up saying something stupid. You know what I mean?

Is it though if you're really like done with them?

No, but I think that, look, mean, there's a lot to be said about that. Friends are friends are friends. Like, I guarantee you, without a doubt, I'm the friend that other male friends, girlfriends have said something about.

should be able to say it.

I guarantee it. yeah, I'm the one that goes like, really don't. Yeah, have told their, my male friends, their girlfriends have said, I really don't like him.

You're the friend that other girls...

I guarantee it. Because I'm very much the, no, the girls don't like me. So my male friends, their girlfriends have probably said, I don't like Rob.

that the guys don't like you or the girls don't like you.

because I'm very much like either likable, you either like me a lot or hate me. Because I'm very blunt about things and I don't care. if you don't like, that's just the way it is. And lot of people don't like that.

No.

Mm-hmm.

Here's another thing women are saying. There are safety concerns in dating. That they, you know, by dating now, they feel unsafe. Which, this has been something since the dawn of time. Like, I think that that's, you know, how can I say this without sounding absolutely horrible? I don't think...

sexual assaults are up any more now than they were in the 50s.

Really?

now. It just wasn't it wasn't reported then. They also didn't have 24 hour news cycle. They didn't have the internet. They didn't have ways of saying it. If you and if you did say it, you were shunned as a woman where now you're a fucking hero. So it's I think it's the same. I think it's the same as like children getting kidnapped. It's the same. It's the exact same thing.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

The cycles, yes, it could be up or down or up or down, yes, but it's not like fivefold. It's not. People just didn't report it back in the day.

because you were shunned as a woman if you came out and said that because why were you alone in a car with a man? Like there's a lot of things from the past that you would have been down, looked down upon as where now, you know, I think it's being reported now and good because I think it happens, but I don't think it happens on a level that people are really think so. At least, you know, I'd have to find statistics.

Right?

Well, it seems to me that that life when things are going on, it's either all one way or all the other. And this is like, I'm listening to this and I'm like, I don't even think like that. Where do I, where do I even start with answering you as I'm listening to you say all these things? And the, the, it's the whole like culture is all or nothing. And

Life isn't that. Life is so full of gray area and-

degrees of of whatever it is one way versus another that you know you're talking about this and like but it's not completely like that but there is definitely some problems with the whole dating culture these days and not meeting each other first like it's it's almost like they skip 10 steps just by meeting each other and that's you know how do you

How do you build a connection if you're not in a connection? If you're not physically part of one.

Yeah, I think both sides feel that the other side isn't showing up.

on either side. Both sides are like, yeah, this is why there's a disconnect because both sides now are pushing each other away. I'm independent, I'm independent. So no one needs anyone per se. I mean, I think we all need somebody for whatever.

Definitely, I'd imagine that they would be.

Mm-hmm.

Look, I think there is there a difference between friendship and companionship? Absolutely. I think the best companionship is with a friend. So if you have a mate who's your friend, and you can make that work, it's absolutely perfect. You know, look, some of the best roommates I've ever had were female. So to that being said, I could

Mm-hmm.

Yep.

probably live with another woman that's not my mate in the same house and be content because I can talk to them, we can have conversations and then I can go do my own thing. It's kind of this weird dichotomy, but look, I think at the end of the day, I think we as a culture need to understand that it's not men versus women, right? It's expectations versus reality.

Right?

Yeah.

But the old

Well, if you're looking at dating somebody, it should never be against anyway. It should be man and women, not men against women or vice versa.

Well, that's kind of what it's saying though, but it is expectations versus reality, right? Because like the old way is that men provide and women nurture, right? But the new reality is that we're both independent, right? But we still expect parts of the old system, right? Because we all want that, you know?

Right?

But yeah, that's where the good stuff is though if you think about it.

Absolutely. I think that that's where that is the only area of where it exists. like the best kind of woman is one that feels like she's protected and she knows that everything's gonna be okay because you know a stoic man generally is the guy who is you know leading.

Mm-hmm.

But now here's the flip side. In these videos, they say, I want a leader and I want to do this. But women always argue the fact when their man makes a decision. So what do you want? Do you want a leader? Are you going to back that? Or are you going to argue every time? Because if you argue every time, a guy is just going to go, fuck you, I don't want to lead anymore. I'm leaving. No, he's leaving. He's just going to go somewhere else.

Right?

He's not gonna do it. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

You know, the big thing now is passport bros. Men are getting passports and going and getting women in other countries that are more traditional.

Mmm.

Yeah, so they're going to countries where

That's gotta be fun until they get their green card.

No, they're going and living in these other countries.

seriously?

Yeah, and then they'll try to make it work and then they can come home and bring their new person here. So this is like a big thing that is happening. Men are just done with Western women. They don't...

Hmm.

American women.

or Western like it's happening in the UK, Australia. It's Western ideologies. So they don't want to argue with a woman anymore. And I know that that sounds horrible, but the reality of it is that, again, you can't have a leader and then go, I don't want you to do that. Why are we doing that? Why are we doing this? Why? It's like, you got to pick. Either you're going to go 50-50 and you're both going to decide.

but then don't look for a leader.

Right. That just doesn't work. That's not gonna work though in our relationship.

You can't have both. It doesn't. Yeah, it's oil and water.

Mm-hmm.

You know, we've changed the game, but we keep arguing about the old scorecard. You know what I mean? Like we both know that the world is different, but we keep going, well, why aren't you like this? Why aren't you like this? Well, because we've decided it's not like that anymore. And, you know, I just think that we're, man, we're at a rough spot.

That's for sure.

You know, social media we've talked about a bazillion times on this podcast ruined fucking everything. It's horrible. I wish it would go away. Tomorrow if we could turn it off, we'd be a much better planet.

Right.

It's just horrible.

The only bad, well...

I miss Google. I like how it's asking it questions. But the rest of it could go.

not the internet, social media, the social media part, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, all these things that are for one doom scrolling machines to make us fucking ignorant. And then secondly, all we do is we comparison loop about people who post shit that's not real.

Mm-hmm.

Both sides. Women are posting shit of them, you know, hanging out in the bar. None of them can afford to go. Men are renting cars and looking all crazy. None of them own them. It's, it's nonsense. Like I said, the top 1 % rule this planet and they're making these women who want six figures, six feet, all these things, right? Let's say that there's a, what women are looking for.

Hmm.

You

Right? If you say, I want a man who's this, this, this, this, and this, there's apps you can do this on. And I would tell anyone out there to find the app. It'll tell you what the percentage of the person you're looking for is on the planet. I put what I like, like what the height, you know, build all these things, blonde hair, whatever it is, you can put all these different things in. When I put mine in, it was.

Of what?

the planet of what I was looking for. So not one point, it was 0.00001. We're all looking for something that's not real. So stop.

Wow.

Wow.

It's it's not real where if you don't give the normal regular person regular guy regular girl a shot You're doomed You'll never find anyone statistically Because Yeah, the the high-end men in whatever you want to say that is

Mm-hmm.

Well, I think that's pretty accurate, though.

Six figures or above and or millionaires or all these things they interviewed these girls on one of these things and they're like What do you think a man should make a year and this one girl with a straight face said at least five million? And the guy interviewing her went i'm sorry

Bye.

Was she ever at a job?

Probably not. look, pretty women will get a certain caliber of man, but that man, if he's loaded, regardless of how he looks, can get whoever he wants.

because he has money. Right? That's and where women who are incredibly beautiful and I'm talking about a very upper echelon of people. Like, you know, whatever you want to say is like model quality, whatever you want to say that is. I don't want to get too deep into it because it could mean whatever it is, whoever. But let's just say so the top men are only going for those women because they can get them.

Well, yep.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

So all these women who are average, whatever you wanna say that is, let's say a six out of 10, whatever that is to you. Again, that's where we're drawing straws if you start looking what a six is. The best relationships on the planet where people look at each other, sixes are the best with sixes. You know what I mean? Like eights and eights, eights and sevens.

Okay.

Sixes and sevens, whatever that means to you. Average people with average people last more and have much more meaningful relationships than a overly attractive woman and an ugly man. Even though the ugly man who has money can get her. Probably not gonna work long run. Because we look at each other on that scale, because here's the thing, a six and a six,

Mm-hmm.

Hmm.

Right?

That man who's a six probably looks at his woman who's a six as an eight or a nine. Because in his eyes, that's what she is. So that's how we work as humans, right?

Mmm.

And that woman probably sees her six man as a seven or an eight because he's good looking to her and takes care of her and holds her hand the way she wants to whatever those things are. This is where why we need to really get back on both sides to giving normal everyday people a chance.

Mm-hmm.

Because if you don't, you're going to be alone.

Absolutely.

Just a fact. Here's a great quote that we can probably almost end this on.

The future of dating isn't traditional or modern, it's negotiated.

Wow.

And I, but I think that that's real. And I don't think it's in a bad way. You should bring traditional to a relationship. And you've got to understand that modern is where we're at. Where I think our generation, our generation will look at dating differently, right? We're going to want certain things because that's what we had. Okay.

pressure.

Mm-hmm.

Millennials will look at dating totally different because they didn't they grew up with the internet they Remember myspace they you know, it's different aol chats and then there's gen z Which is my son where? they only grew up on social media and the internet and video games and all these things

Yeah.

So yes, you're going, but I still think most ladies want their door open. They want flowers every blue moon. They want this and they want that. And men, you know, they want a girl who can cook still, right? Because they like, they want to, they like to be fed. You know, whatever these things are that are more traditional and more modern.

Right.

It's like a clean house. I'll give you the example. A clean house in modern times, and I think it probably happened from the 80s on. So part of our generation. Everyone started cleaning the house together because he had to. Because he had bigger houses with more kids. know, the woman couldn't go to work and do it alone. Now for sure you can't. Everyone works.

Mm-hmm.

No.

Mm-mm.

40 hour work weeks. You know, and if you have kids now you turn that upside down. Both parents are parenting. Both. There's nothing worse than hearing a parent and I'm going to bury men every in this one. But I've heard women say it too, that they have to babysit their kid. I can't go out after babysit. No, you don't gotta take care of your child. No babysitting is when you take care your your brother's kids.

That is not babysitting. Yes.

Yep, that's exactly what babysitting is.

If they're yours, you're not babysitting. You're being a dad or a mom, so shut the fuck up.

You're doing the job that you created when you laid down and made it.

And you should be happy to do that because at one point your kids don't need you anymore. Go to their room and you don't see them except when they want you to pay for dinner. And I know because there's one down the hall.

Mm-hmm.

And I love him to death, but he just disappears. And then lo and behold, I'm like, hey, I'm going to go get lunch. He's like, cool. Where are we going? It's like, we, you got a mouse in your pocket? Are you French? It's like, but you know what I mean? So look, we as the sexes need to figure this out and quickly.

Freakin' Rob.

Yeah.

you.

Our generation needs to figure it out so we're not alone in our 70s. Millennials need to figure a lot out because they're probably the biggest group that we're talking about. They're into their mid to late 40s, early 30s, and then like my son's age where it's like what 20 to 30 is like Gen Z.

Mm-hmm.

We really need to...

really just go backwards and start thinking like how do we understand the sexes again and how do we really communicate and find out who it is we're with or want to be with.

Absolutely.

I think, you know, I just think the bigger thing maybe isn't, you know, why men aren't dating modern women. It's more, you know, is modern dating working for anyone at all?

I don't know about that. I just know that since when did we become unopposing teams? I thought like men and women were on the same team. I'm noticing that it's so different and they're so divided just like everything else in this world. I think to myself, really are we supposed to feel like that? Because the fact that we were put on this earth to

Yeah, it's.

work together and to accommodate each other and to thrive as a couple not be like you know you're you're you're on the opposing team and I'm gonna treat you as such like that's not gonna make anything work like you're not gonna be able to ever get to the next stage if you're always in competition or opposing each other dating is just

It's worthless. It's worthless.

Right. Well, we're all just going to give up and we're all going to be alone. And that's just going to be the way it is, unfortunately, until we all get into old folks homes and then we'll then we're going to have to be with each other.

Mm-hmm. Yep.

And we all know how that goes.

Yeah, yeah. So look, at the end of the day, I look, I understand both sides of this. I try to do my best to see, you know, the women's side of thing and the men's side of thing. I think that if you're on social media and you're listening to either side of this, stop now.

You

because all they're doing is, like if you're listening to these women shit talk men and tell you to like wait for a certain person, you're stupid. And if you're listening to these men saying, hey, women need to be barefoot and pregnant in the house again, you're also stupid because we've passed that. You need to find a, and you need to find an easy date that you can both not, you know, need a car loan for.

What do mean?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, definitely.

Go communicate, have an out, you know, for 35 minute date, going bullshit. you feel like you're doing good, keep it going, run it until it's coarse. And then if you want to try it again with the same person, go out and have a dinner and enjoy each other's company.

Okay.

Hey

Maybe maybe go at it as being friends. Like can you just start with being nice to each other and like Having a little bit of trust that you could you know set out and see how things go before you're sleeping with them and and In a situation that you you never would have wanted to have been in I mean think we should just slow the hell down and start doing things a little better

I will.

I agree with that, never use the word friend.

if you're, not if you want a date, because women friendzone men way too quickly. And I think that's another big problem.

you're right.

I think it's hard to have any sort of attachment if you're not friends though.

No, you should be friends in a relationship, but you should not just be friends. Men don't want to be friends. Men don't want to be friends with women. No, they don't. No, they would rather hang out with their boys. If you put that on, I think that's another thing men are stopping. As soon as they feel friend-zoned, they just...

absolutely not.

Or do they? Because they don't want to put up with women's shit anymore.

Yeah.

Don't call him to help you move because they're gonna shit on you. They'll be like, no, I'm good No Hey, I women are complaining about that, too. They were like that. I heard this girl on this one Tick-tock post she was like I was unloading my car and carrying something to my house and these guys walked right past me and didn't ask me if I needed any help And I was like, yeah, you're right Why would why do they want to help you? now I think

Give up.

you

Yeah, if you don't need anybody.

because you're independent. You don't need no man. know, without getting too deep, like I've seen horrible videos where literally these women are saying, we don't need men at all. Like, and I mean on the planet. And I giggle, you know, because like, if you knew the reality of like, you know, construction jobs, it's like 97, 97 % men, you know, like,

Right?

Hmm.

what you were saying.

All the dirty jobs on this planet are done by men. We do all the dangerous shit, we do all the dirty stuff. We are the ones who jump in shit to fix your plumbing. And I'm talking the percentages are well in the high 90s in all these jobs. If men disappeared tomorrow, women would live for about a week and then die. And that's not being mean. That's reality.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

We grow all the food, we refine the gas. You couldn't do anything. You'd die, period. We unload all the shit at the docks. Before you could learn to do it, the planet would die. And that's not me being misogynistic or a dick. That's just reality. We are built to do work. Women are built to nurture and raise children.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

that's how we are built as a species. Because you can look at every animal on the planet, they're built the same. Okay? If you don't believe in God, then you have to look at the science. And if you believe in God, you understand that we were created to do those things. Period.

Yeah.

So modern times have just fucked that up and we need to come more towards the center and understand that we have a working relationship with each other. We have so many things to give to each other. There's nothing better than for a man to come home to a woman who

Mm-hmm.

wants him to feel okay, that he's doing fine and there's nothing better than a woman or a man have a woman come home and just go, hey, I had a bad day, can you hold me? Those are components to how we are built as a species. We need to get back to that.

I'm with you.

Okay, any last words?

Good luck. Good luck when it comes to dating. That's all I got to say.

Mm-hmm. That's a good one.

Cool, my last word is stop listening to TikTok influencers. They're rotting your brain with this dating bullshit, stop. It's nonsense. Go out and when you see a normal person, think about dating them. Because if you don't, ooh, we're gonna have tough times ahead.

Seriously.

You

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