We are going back to November of 1985…for something a little different - a miniseries!

Our everyman, Patrick Swayze, somehow makes us sympathetic to and even want to root for a confederate general in the tv mini series - North and South! Set before, during, and immediately after the American Civil War, North and South is based on the 1980s trilogy of novels North and South by John Jakes.

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Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to

Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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We are going back to November

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different, a miniseries.

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And, since watching two seasons of

shows a significant time commitment,

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my guests were spared the ask today.

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So you're stuck with me.

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Our Every Man, Patrick Swayze somehow

makes us sympathetic to and even

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wanna root for a Confederate general

in the TV miniseries North and south.

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Dare I say few, if any others

could pull off such a feat.

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Now, this is set before, during, and

immediately after the American Civil War.

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I.

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it's based on the 1980s trilogy of

novels, north and South by John Jakes.

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We're only gonna be covering the first two

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There was one, uh, third installment in

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Plus it was poorly received.

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So we're just gonna be

focusing on the first two.

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before we open the time capsule, I do

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tip if you are so generously inclined.

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those links are always in the show notes.

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If you're new to the show, welcome.

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I am a nostalgia junkie and

I hope that you are too.

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Okay, now let's open the time

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The mid eighties were great.

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I think especially like from a

TV perspective, so the Nielsen

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ratings from the 85 to 86 season,

the top shows we have, of course

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the Cosby Show, family Ties Murder.

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She wrote, cheers, Dallas and

Dynasty, the Golden Girls.

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Of course, now this is actually their

debut season and sure enough, they

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hit the top 10 in their debut season.

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It's so good you guys.

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Also Miami Vice.

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Who's the boss?

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This was one of my favorites growing up.

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I particularly love that opening scene

with Tony's blue van into pulling

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in and it seems like it was fall

too, like a perfect autumn setting.

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So he is pulling into the neighborhood and

Connecticut, this picturesque neighborhood

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Angela was like a total boss.

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She was a New York City ad exec

and I think she was even still

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in her twenties, maybe like late

twenties, maybe early thirties.

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She with a super hot Italian ex

baseball player for a housekeeper.

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Um, yes, please.

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I do feel like the show sort of imprinted

on me and my life goals subconsciously.

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So thank you.

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Who's the boss?

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I'm still waiting for my super hot

ex baseball player, housekeeper, but.

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I'll keep y'all posted.

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Okay.

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Also night court and,

just a like sad note bull.

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The, the man who plays bull in night

court, like the tall bailiff, Richard

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Mull, he just recently passed away,

so rest in peace, Richard Mall.

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But, so I think his most notable

role was bull in night court.

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highway to Heaven.

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I vaguely remember this.

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And that's the Michael Landon show.

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Kate and Allie, which we talked

about in a prior episode.

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That's the one, Jane Curtin is either Kate

or Allie, and I remember liking that show.

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I have some vague memories of that.

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Does anybody else remember Kate and Allie?

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Okay, so those were the top.

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Nielsen rated shows, but there's

some fun ones that premiered.

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So they didn't quite make the top

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We have 2, 2 7, which we've talked

about growing pains, small wonder.

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You guys remember Small

Wonder What a weird show.

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there's like a robot girl.

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Girl, like she or a

cyborg or whatever she is.

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she wore this dress and

she had long brown hair.

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I can't remember her name.

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Somebody will have to remind me.

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But Small wonder.

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And then Mr.

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Belvedere, again, another the eighties.

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So we just talked about Tony

Elli being the housekeeper.

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Angela and she seemed

pretty well off, but Mr.

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Belvedere, another show Where's a

middle class family, has a housekeeper.

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This was such a theme in the

eighties and I was there for it.

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Moonlighting was also a

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I don't think I recall.

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I, I didn't ever, I wasn't a big

Dukes of Hazard person clearly,

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but I have a feeling a bunch of

the male viewers probably were.

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It ended in 1985.

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I sort of assumed it ended

long before that, but yeah, it

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went all the way until 1985.

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shall we move on to music to set the

stage for our North and south discussion?

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So we talked about Miami Vice being

in the top rated shows in primetime.

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The theme, Miami Vice theme was the number

one song this week, and again, when we

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talk about music on the show, the Top

Billboards, it's the week that the movie

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came out, or in this case, the miniseries.

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So we're talking about,

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This week, Miami Vice, the theme

song, the number one song that

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seems really strange to me.

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I feel like that doesn't happen,

but the artist is Jan Hammer.

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Or maybe it's Jan Hammer.

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Anyway, number two is Part-Time

Lover by Stevie Wonder.

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Then number three, this seems very

eighties, tears for Fears Head Over Heels.

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Great song Glen Fries,

fray Fray, or F Fry.

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Glen Fray, you Belong to The City is

number four and the number five song.

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This reminds me of the roller rink.

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You guys remember roller rinks?

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we built this city by Starship for

some reason that is hand in hand

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with the roller rink and I was

pretty little at this time, but I

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do have some vague memories of it.

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saving All My Love For You by Whitney

Houston is the number six song,

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separate Lives by Phil Collins and

Marilyn Martin is number seven.

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I dunno who Marilyn Martin is.

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Anyone I know you all all know

what the number eight song is.

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Take on me.

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The artist is Aha,

which is a strange name.

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I should have looked this up.

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I wonder if that was a one hit,

wondered, or what else they sing.

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That's a good song.

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But aha, take on me.

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Number nine is, be near me by AB, C.

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I think I listened to this.

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I wasn't familiar with it, and

it's, I didn't recognize it at all.

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It wasn't good either, so I don't know.

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Does anybody know this song?

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ABC's Be Near Me?

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And then the number 10 song is Lay

Your Hands On Me by the Thompson Twins.

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I don't really remember that particular

song, but I remember the Thompson Twins,

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some other songs that they sang also.

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Very eighties, kind of.

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There's some strange stuff

going on at this time.

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A little all over the place.

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Okay, let's talk about what was going

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US President, Ronald Bragan and the

Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev,

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meet for the very first time.

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This will, this will

come in in a minute too.

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Microsoft Windows 1.0 is released.

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85.

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Huh?

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Hmm.

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Okay.

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Do you guys remember, that

Janet Jackson and James DeBarge

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from L DeBarge were married?

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Well, it didn't last very long.

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In November of 1985, they

had their marriage alt.

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It lasted less than a year there

were some pretty awesome movies

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that were going on at the time that

were released around this time.

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I don't know if you guys have

heard of Rocky 4 19 85 in November.

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this is probably everybody around our

age's, most vivid memory, possibly

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even our favorite Rocky movie.

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From a re watchability perspective.

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Anyway, so Rocky four, amazing.

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And again, There was, the person who

was supposed to be Mikhail Gorbachev

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in, in Rocky Four, and he ends

up clapping for Rocky at the end.

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So we win the Cold War that way.

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but hey, also, if you guys are not

aware, I'm sure most of you are, but

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if you're new, I also do a show that is

completely focused on the Rocky movies.

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I'm a fake fan, my favorite movies ever.

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so I join Ryan and Kyle, some Canadians.

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They're awesome.

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We have so much fun, and

it's every two weeks.

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It's on the last of the

Action Heroes Podcast Network.

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And the show is called One More

Round, a Rocky Series podcast.

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Clever right.

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So anyway, head on over.

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If you are not ready, check us

out some other big movies from

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this time in November of 85.

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Death Wish, three.

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Jagged Edge to Live and Die in la.

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Little movie called Back to the

Future Target, not the Store.

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It was a movie, commando

and King Solomon's Minds.

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Oh, that was such a great one.

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I loved that.

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All right, so that was

what's going on in the world.

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We talked about music, we talked

about tv, what was going on?

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Hopefully I have set the stage now

for us to talk about North and South.

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So let's get into it.

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So this, like I said, this

is a little different.

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Usually we're talking about

the release date of a movie.

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But in this case it was a

miniseries and you guys remember

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miniseries being really big.

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I feel like now obviously we don't have

TV miniseries now, really, it's really

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more of, it would be like a limited

series on Netflix or something like that

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because it's six episodes per, they call

them books, but it basically season.

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There's book one and book two,

and like I said, we're not

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gonna talk about book three.

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So if I talk about book, I mean

season book, they're interchangeable.

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So there's six episodes per book

and they're 90 minute episodes.

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So it's like a little

mini movie each episode.

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And the very first episode

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And then book two was in 1986.

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So we're gonna talk

about book one and two.

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The director for season one was

Richard t Heffron and the director

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for season two is Kevin Connor.

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These might not sound familiar to you.

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They didn't to me either.

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They have a ton of TV movie directing

credits, so that's their story.

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And then the writers,

we have Douglas Hayes.

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He developed the series for TV

because like I said, it was,

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based on a, on a trilogy of books.

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Douglas Hayes is also known

for the Highwayman, Renton, tin

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McLeod, and the Maverick TV series.

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Those were from the fifties.

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I.

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I think and then the novels author John

Jakes was, also a writer on the series.

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And additionally we have Richard

Fielder and he's known for the

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TV series, the Virginian and

Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.

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Okay.

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The cast is worth, okay, so if

you haven't seen North and South,

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you got to because the cast is

exceptional plus all the guest stars.

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well obviously we have r Patrick

Swayze and he plays Ori Main.

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Actually, let me jump to,

we'll come back to the cast,

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but let me jump, I'm gonna be.

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A little out of order today.

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I am gonna jump to the

description first because that

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might help, figure out the cast.

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'cause there's a lot of

players to keep track of.

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North and South is a saga that spans

over 20 years, and it tells the story

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of the enduring friendship between Ori

Maine of South Carolina, played by our

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Patrick Razzi and George Hazzard of

Pennsylvania, played by James Reed.

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They become best friends while attending

the United States Military Academy at West

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Point, but later find themselves and their

families on opposite sides of the war.

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The slave owning Maines are rural planters

from outside of Charleston, while the

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hazards who reside in a small Pennsylvania

Milltown profit from ownership of iron

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manufacturing and industry capital.

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Their differences reflect the

divisions between North and South.

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That eventually led to the Civil War.

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Now they find themselves fighting on

opposite sides of the Civil War and

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struggle to maintain their friendship

through these troubled times.

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It did win, some Emmys, I'm sorry,

it won one Emmy and was nominated

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for several others, primetime

and Emmy winner for costuming.

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And it was also nominated for

makeup, music, cinematography,

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editing, and sound editing.

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there were also two nominations,

for the Golden Globes.

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Leslie Ann down, as well as David

Carine were nominated for their

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supporting roles Golden Globes.

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Okay, let's get back to the, the cast.

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So we talked about our Patrick playing

Oma and James Reed playing George Hazard.

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James Reed.

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He also played, Michael in Beaches and

L's, dad in Legally Bond, as well as,

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Clyde Weston in Days of Our Lives and

Murphy Michaels in Remington Steel.

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I did notice that quite a few of

these actors had done some soaps.

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They're all pretty

people for the most part.

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We also have Kirsti in this.

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She plays George's sister, Virgil

and Leslie Ann down, as we just

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talked about, was nominated

for her role, for Golden Globe.

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She plays Madeline and

she's always love interest.

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I just could not get over.

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She's just stunningly

beautiful, like, just stunning.

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Beautiful.

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And at age 15, she was voted

Britain's most beautiful

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teenager, so she's a British.

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Former model and actress known for

playing in the British series upstairs,

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downstairs, which was then later a

hit on PBS here in the United States.

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And I liken that to, uh, PBS is good

about like Downton Abbey, for example,

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British show, but was on PBS here

anyway, she also played Jacqueline

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Payne Marone on the Bold and the

Beautiful, and Stephanie on Dallas.

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So she's just like super pretty.

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Also, she's British

playing a South Carolinian.

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There's another British person

playing a southerner in this.

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I find that interesting.

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Accent wise, Wendy Kilborn.

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She plays Constance George's wife.

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and she's known mostly for, for North

and South, but also playing Deon King

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on the Midnight Caller TV series.

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I've not seen that, but

I'm curious if anybody has.

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It was kind of long running, if I recall.

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Now, interestingly, so Wendy Kilborn and

James Reed, the actor who plays George.

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So they were married on the show, but

then they also met on this set and

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went on to get married in real life.

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I love those little things.

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next we have Terry Garber

playing Ashton Maine.

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She's super evil and a straight up

sociopath, but she is one of Ari's

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younger sisters, the dark haired one.

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she was also in a few soaps.

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She played, Leslie Carrington in Dynasty

and Iris Dombrowski in as the World Turns.

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The other little sister.

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So Ori is like significantly older.

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Like he's off to West Point and

is so whatever age that is, like

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18 and 19, 20, however old he is.

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And he has five-year-old sisters,

five, seven year old sisters.

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So there's a pretty big age gap.

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But anyway, so Jeannie Francis

plays Brett, Maine, the other little

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sister, and she's like the nice one.

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Nice and sweet one also.

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Blonde and Brett.

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Yes, Brett is a girl.

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I don't know, this must have been a, a

southern thing because the only other

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Brett that I know that's female is

Brett Butler from Grace Under Fire.

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Anybody watch that show?

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Anyway?

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I would also like to point out that this

is very typical, so the nice sweet blonde

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one, and then the evil dark-haired one.

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Go figure.

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and then we have Philip Kassoff

playing El Cana bent, and he

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is Ori and George's nemesis.

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You guys ever heard of

the name Elena before?

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I have not.

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Maybe this is like a southern

thing or an old timey thing.

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He's mostly referred to as just

bent his last name, or LEL.

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but he, so Philip Castoff,

the man who plays him.

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He also played Frank Sinatra in

in the tv, miniseries Sinatra.

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He was also the chief of staff in

the strong Medicine SE TV series,

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which I am not familiar with, but

you will have heard of this probably.

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Who watched the TV series, Oz?

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Really good.

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he played Nikolai Stanislavsky in

that show, so that's maybe where

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you would know Philip Kassoff from.

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I know there's like a ton of

characters, so please stay with me.

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You guys 'cause it.

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They, these are all the main cast.

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There's a lot like, it's a

saga spans over 20 years and

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so there's a lot of characters.

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we have Louis Smith playing

Charles Maine, Ori cousin.

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He's known for his roles in the

Adventures of Buckaroo, bonsai,

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Southern Comfort, and Wyatt Earp.

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Now, Louis Smith plays Charles in only

the first season because, no, I'm sorry.

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The first two seasons apparently, like

I said, I didn't watch the third one,

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but apparently Kyle Chandler takes over

the role in the third installment in

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94, and you all recognize Kyle Chandler.

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We have John Stockwell playing Billy

Hazzard, George's younger brother.

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He's known for playing Cougar in Top Gun

and Dennis in John Carpenter's Christine.

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So he's a very familiar actor.

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And but he was only in the first

installment as Billy, and he was

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replaced in the second season by Parker

Stevenson, you know, the Hardy Boy.

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And he was also married at

the time to Kirsty Alley, who

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plays Virginia in the show.

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There's a lot of that, which

we'll get to, but it's fun.

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I love all the relationships that

kind of stem from the, from the show.

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You all know who David Carradine is?

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I assume so.

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He's like really good

at playing like an evil.

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Bad guy.

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He plays Justin Lamott, the

sadistic husband of Madeline.

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And then we have Jean

Simmons, JEAN Simmons.

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So a woman.

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She plays Ore's mother, Clarissa Main, and

she's another Britt known for her roles

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in GE and Dolls, Spartacus and Hamlet.

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And then George's mother, Maude Hazzard

is played by Angus s Swensen, and I

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think you guys might, recognize her.

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She, if anybody watched the show, Benson,

she's known for her role in that playing.

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Miss Gretchen, ENA Kraus, and

apparently, so that's a German person.

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She's not German, but apparently

she played that role so well that

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people thought she was German.

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She was also, Played Ingrid in the TV

show soap, and then I recognized her

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because she's in an episode of The

Golden Girls as Rose's Sister Holly.

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Then we have just a couple more.

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Olivia Cole as mom.

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Sally.

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I don't know if I am.

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It's MAUM.

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It's pronounced mom Sally, but

it, I don't know if it's Maum mom.

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I'm not really sure.

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But she's, she plays

Madeline's Ladies Maid.

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Yeah, that's like right

her right hand person.

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I think if that's called Ladies Maid.

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She's known for her Emmy-winning

role as Matilda in another very

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famous miniseries called Roots.

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Anybody?

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Anybody?

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Yeah.

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She won an Emmy for that and she also

played, miss Sophie in Brewster's Place.

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Brewster Place TV series.

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And then we have yet

another stunning beauty.

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Erica Gimple, she played semi ramus,

a very strange name, semi ramus.

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and she's known for playing Coco in fame

and she has tons of other TV credits.

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she's a familiar face at any rate,

like she played Trish from God friended

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me, detective Harriet Morrow in the

Young and the Restless, and she was

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in, a recurring role in ER as Adele

Newman, angel Brown in Profiler.

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So that's Erica Gimple.

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And then rounding out kind of our

main cast is Jim Metzler, and he

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plays James Pontoon Ashton's husband.

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He's in a ton of stuff also,

but nothing super recognizable.

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So that's our main cast.

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Now, I think partly a reason to watch

this too is everybody wanted to be in

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this TV show or this mini series, sorry.

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The guest stars are out of this

swirl, like literally everyone,

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like the most forced Whitaker.

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A young, very young, Forrest

Whitaker, Morgan Fairchild, Elizabeth

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Taylor, James Stewart, I think

this was actually his last role.

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James Stewart, Linda Evans,

Wayne Newton, Hal Holbrooke.

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Hal Holbrooke played, president Lincoln.

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In this, we also have Johnny Cash, Ron

O'Neill, Kurt Wood Smith, Lloyd Bridges,

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Nancy Marchand, Robert Mitchum, Jean

Kelly James Reborn, Robert Gilliam.

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He's Benson.

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that's who I don't am,

am I saying it right?

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Gii Gimm, someone help me out.

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. But anyway, he plays

Benson, that's who he is.

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And then Olivia de Haveland.

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So those are like, there's

tons of other ones too.

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But those are the ones that I thought

you guys would, resonate most with.

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And then, I have to call out the score.

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It's Bill Conte.

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I didn't know that

until I'm rewatching it.

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The Academy Award winner

from Rocky Bill Conte.

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And I will say just on that point, and

maybe it's because I knew it was Bill

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Conte, but there were a few times when

I'm like, oh, that's very Rocky esque.

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you know, it's that just

the style of Bill Conte.

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So the cast and the guest stars,

like I said, it's amazing.

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Everybody wanted to be a part of this.

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Now, usually I talk about, like

the budget and the box office, but

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obviously this being a TV miniseries,

that's not really the case.

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But I did read that the production

took two years and $25 million.

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I'm not sure if that two years

was just for book one or if it

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was for the first two books.

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I kind of think book

one, it took two years.

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I mean, it's a period piece.

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you know, like all the costuming, all

the sets, all the, you know, the, I just

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feel like, yeah, getting all of those

people aligned the right, there's a lot

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to do for a project of this caliber.

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so yeah, I guess that kind of makes sense.

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Now if you're wondering how

you can watch this, like I was.

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I was jazzed because I

found, some streamer.

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I was like, sweet.

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It's on this streamer.

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It's not.

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It shows the artwork and all of

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with, you know, the cast and

everything and the, like I said, the

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artwork of it, but you press play.

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It took me a minute to be like, 'cause

I hadn't seen it in a while, so I

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was like, oh, maybe, I don't know.

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Maybe we're getting, maybe this

is the setup to get to the, where

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we are in the Civil War era.

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No, no, no.

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It's actually the 2004 remake,

which is a British version of this.

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So whatever streamer this is, I

can't remember which one it was.

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They loaded the wrong version in

error, Now how I did watch this is I

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requested it from my handy dandy library.

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Libraries are awesome.

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People use them.

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Mine's a historic building.

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So it's, it's pretty cool.

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Anyway, I go there all the time

and so I requested these DVDs.

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I do everything online.

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There's a portal and I do this.

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If there, if time allows and I'm like

either covering a movie for the show or

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I'm guessing on someone else's show and I

can't find the movie on a streamer or it's

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one that I don't have a subscription to.

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If time allows, I will

request ADVD from library.

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You know, it takes a minute.

445

'cause they usually have to

get it from another library and

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then delivered and then it's on

the hold shelf waiting for me.

447

So that's how I watch this

library DVDs, guys, I.

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I hadn't seen it since the nineties, and

that's probably the only time I saw it.

449

I, I do not think that I watched it

when it was originally on a, b, c.

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It's, it's first run in the mid

eighties, but I remember it vividly

451

because, we watched it in history class

when we were covering the Civil War.

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Shout out to Mrs.

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Kush.

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I don't remember if it was like,

when, when you learn about the Civil

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War here, eighth grade, 10th grade

some, I, I can't really remember, but

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I do, we obviously didn't watch the

whole thing 'cause it's crazy long.

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But I do remember watching it.

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And just on that point, it was the

best when they rolled the TV in,

459

like there was like a cart with a

big square box TV strapped to this

460

cart with the VCR, not even ADVD, but

the VCR rolled into your classroom.

461

You, you in for a treat.

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Didn't have to do

anything, just kicked back.

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I loved that, so thanks Mrs.

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Kush.

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Alright, so North and South, like

I said, it's spans like 20 years.

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we opened in 1842 on Mont Royal Plantation

as Ori is about to head off to West

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Point and or Ori and George meet when,

so Ori is now in New York about to catch

468

a train, to West Point and he gets in a

fight with people there and that's how

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they meet George steps in to help Ori

and they're instant friends from then on.

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even though they come from different

worlds, like I said, or is from

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South Carolina and George is from

Pennsylvania, so north and south.

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They come from different worlds and

have extremely different viewpoints

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on a, on important matters of the day.

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So they're at odds a lot.

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But like I said, this, this is

the enduring friendship story.

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probably the best enduring

friendship story I've ever seen.

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It's, it's pretty good.

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Now you have to hate some people

because, well, there's a lot to

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hate about just this time period.

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But there are four characters that I

wanted to point out in particular that

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I don't know about you guys, but I

like when you just despise something

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or someone, like somebody says

something so despicable or they're so

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unlikable, you like, turn your note.

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Like I literally squint my eyes.

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Do you guys do that, Sue?

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Anyway, there's four characters that

I squinty eye at Ashton, Maine, the

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dark haired little sister of Ori.

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She is.

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Just, she's a sociopath.

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Even like, 'cause we see her as a little

girl and she's just a mean little bitch

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just for the fun of it throughout this.

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So we hate her.

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We hate her.

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So, good job for, what is her name?

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Terry Garber.

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Good acting.

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Terry actually.

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All of these actors.

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good job acting because I buy it.

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I bought it like I hated these people.

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The other one, well another

one is Justin Lamont.

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So he's David Rein's character who is just

good at playing like super skis, villains.

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So, originally Justin Lamont,

he is, we're shown him to be

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Madeline's father's friend.

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But then he's totally angling.

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It's, it's gross, right?

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'cause he is like her dad's age.

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That, that's just the way

that it was apparently.

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So he's angling 'cause he wants

to marry her and she does, at the

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behest of her father marries this.

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Justin Lamont, even though

she's in love with Ori.

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Justin is just vile.

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Like again, like I said,

like squinty eye at him.

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He, he has this predatory vibe,

you know, people like that.

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And it proves out because

he rapes his own wife.

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'cause she's unwilling.

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and he says things like, know your place.

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A mind seems hardly necessary

when one has the face of an angel.

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Ew.

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Like he purposely gets his wife

addicted to, lanu, which it's

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like totally a thing up this time.

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It's basically opium

just to keep her in line.

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Like I need her to be more yeah, to

keep know your place, be just happy

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and pleasant and have no brain so

that he gets her hooked to opium.

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Mm-Hmm.

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, he also beats his slaves and

wants to secede from the union.

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So he has zero redeeming qualities.

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This Justin, additionally on the

same vein, Salem Jones, I like Ew.

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He's just gross and slovenly

to look at in the first place.

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So who he is in this is, it's,

first of all, that's a great name.

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Salem Jones.

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But he's a shit character.

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He is hired by ore's father as the,

as like an overseer of the plantation

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or of the slaves because so, or he's

father is probably getting up there

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in age and or he's off at, west Point.

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So he needs somebody to, I

don't know, handle things.

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So this Salem Jones guy is hired and he

is a disgusting excuse for a human being.

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He takes pleasure.

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In beating and raping the slaves.

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And like I said, he's just like

gross and slovenly to look at too.

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Ugh.

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and then our final like super

irredeemable person is Elena bent.

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Now this guy, great acting because

he just, he, so, okay, he gives

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off this major like spoiled little

rich kid throwing a tantrum energy.

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So a picture of that type of person.

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We all know them.

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There's some famous ones in power.

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he is just like this ego

tripping when we first meet him.

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Anyway, ego tripping.

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West Point instructor with George

and Ori, I think he's an instructor.

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Either that or he's like a class or

two ahead of Orian George and gets

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real pissy because Ori shows him

up and he's, like I said, he's just

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like spoiled little rich kid energy.

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It's gross.

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And then later . In the show, he

goes on to plot against his own side,

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which is the south, to overthrow

their, he's like trying to overthrow

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their president, Jefferson Davis.

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So that's who all Kana bent is.

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He's a ski, like, he's

just constantly scheming.

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he uses women left and right.

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yeah, he ends up having an affair with or

he's sister, the sociopathic one Ashton.

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So they scheme together.

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It's, so that's there.

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So those people are irredeemable.

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just kind of setting

the stage for that then.

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Okay, so then we're kind

of shown after West Point.

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Then there's the war with

Mexico and Oregon gets injured.

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So this is 1847.

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He gets in injured there.

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And then for the whole rest of the series,

he's Like limps and he walks with a cane.

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So for the rest of his life, and we

see George and Ori go into business

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together using iron from George's Mill

to run a cotton mill in South Carolina.

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You know, so this is kind of a new

that's not really been done before, is

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to have their own mill in South Carolina.

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So they go into business together

on one condition, no slave labor.

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Now.

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Now we talked about Billy and

Charles, so George's little

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brother, Billy and Charles.

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ore's cousin.

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So, you know, after a certain

period of time, they are now kind

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of the new generation at West Point.

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They're best friends,

in West Point together.

583

And you know, by this time we see that

the families, the mains and the hazards,

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they've grown to be pretty close.

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They like visit each other pretty often

in Pennsylvania and South Carolina.

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And this is like horse and buggy,

like not the next state over.

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I mean, it's a whole ordeal.

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So they, they go to visit

and stay for a long time.

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So the families are very close now.

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In fact, Billy, who is a Northerner,

Pennsylvania, ends up marrying

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Brett, from South Carolina.

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Brett again, just as a reminder, is ORs

little sister, the blonde, nice one.

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And that ends up causing issues

for them as you could imagine.

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Uh, we have a married couple in North

and south, so during the Civil War.

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We see them run into this

kind of thing quite often.

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You know, if you're in South Carolina, you

know, oh, a Yankee or if you're in North,

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like how dare you marry a Southerner?

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so vice versa.

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and then George marries Constance and like

I said, so they're northerners and they're

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against slavery, obviously, and George's

wife even keeps a room in their house

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for Escapees on the Underground Railroad.

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So that's pretty cool.

603

We like, yeah, they're in Pennsylvania

and they're very well to do, obviously.

604

So.

605

Yes.

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Now both there are scenes where both

Ori and George, they're best friends

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from different sides, and then Billy

and Charles, the younger generation,

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best friends from different sides, I.

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In both cases, they come face to

face in battle on opposite sides.

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So that's like a real, that's really

interesting that we see that in

611

this series and how they handle that

because they're supposed to fight

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each other, but obviously they're

not gonna kill their best friends.

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So we see them in many instances,

kind of make exceptions, and, and

614

we see them while on the whole are

fighting against the other side.

615

The reality is they see them.

616

It's, it's the humanity

in their friendship.

617

And, and if you see somebody as

an individual, it's very different

618

than, you know, just the other side.

619

It's you might be on the other side,

but you're, you're still my best

620

friend and I see good in you, even

though we differ in our viewpoint.

621

So that is a theme, that is.

622

Throughout the whole series.

623

And it, that's kind of the beautiful

part of, of the series in my opinion.

624

'cause there's a lot to dislike about

just that time period in our history.

625

Right.

626

the other thing that I don't recall,

I do not remember this, I didn't

627

know this was a thing at all.

628

This is historical fiction, but I think,

you know, it's, it's historical fiction.

629

So I'm kind of assuming that this was

actually the case in, in some cases.

630

But there were field hospitals, I'm

sure we've all learned all about

631

the field hospitals and read books.

632

I mean, just the horrors

that happened at this.

633

So this level of fighting where

it's I dunno if it's a musket or

634

a rifle, but it's the, those guns

with the oh, there's a name for 'em.

635

Like the like sword thing on the end.

636

Shoot, the name is escaping me.

637

You guys, what's the name

of the, those gun things?

638

Anyway, so that's what they're fighting

with and there's just these two

639

sides marching towards each other,

shooting and stabbing each other,

640

like just that's the level of war.

641

There were some canons too, but

it just, the ugliness of that

642

and the sheer, like bloody brutal

nature of it is on full display.

643

that's just how they fought then.

644

But, so there were these field

hospitals trying to do what they could.

645

and like tons of limb loss.

646

We actually see a scene where gie like

later in the, in the series is a nurse,

647

like she joins the nurses corps, and

she's in these field hospitals and

648

she's put in a number of precarious.

649

Situations.

650

but they were shown the way that

they, like if somebody was, they're

651

either gonna bleed out or, or

they put this clamp on a limb.

652

So like basically to lose the limb,

but so that the person doesn't bleed

653

out and it's, ugh, it's just gross.

654

Like I, this kind of stuff, ugh,

gives me the heebie-jeebies.

655

So anyway, I didn't know that these

field hospitals treated both sides,

656

or maybe they didn't all, but what

we're shown is this particular field

657

hospital that she volunteers at or

works at, I think maybe she does get

658

paid, but they have to treat both sides.

659

So they can't favor either

the north or the south.

660

They have to treat soldiers from

the Confederacy and the union.

661

And so, as I was mentioning Virgil, who.

662

She's super outspoken.

663

This is Kirsty Ali's character.

664

She's George's sister.

665

She's very outspoken.

666

I just love, like, this is probably who

I would be because, like at this time,

667

like I, I wouldn't just be in my place.

668

I'm very opinionated and I would have,

I am now like things that are so obvious

669

to me that are immoral or wrong, but

it, you know, just because something

670

is a societal norm, like in this case,

slavery was, doesn't make it right.

671

And she points that out

and everybody's okay, okay.

672

simmer down virgie, like, you know,

women know your place, blah, blah.

673

But she doesn't, and I love that

she, in fact, is so outspoken.

674

She, even as a woman, she goes

to, she, you know, she's, she's

675

joining this abolition abolitionist

movement and gives speeches.

676

And so she's kind of, well-known well, she

ends up marrying . Helping escape Grady,

677

a slave from, I think South Carolina.

678

Anyway, they go up north, they get

married like this is in the 18 hundreds.

679

So it's, but, but unfortunately he dies.

680

He gets, he gets killed.

681

so after that she joins

the n the nurse's choir.

682

And she hates, like she, we've seen over

time because their families are friends,

683

but she and Ori are always at odds.

684

They're always kind of at each other.

685

So she really despises Ari's way of life.

686

But he ends up at her field hospital and

you know, she's able to put that aside.

687

She knows him personally.

688

It's her brother's best friend, and

it is her duty as this, as this nurse.

689

So she treats him at the hospital.

690

She kind of has to, but then he's

a general by this time, so both.

691

Many years have passed during, so

we're in the Civil War, that's 20 years

692

after we first meet them at West Point.

693

And they're both generals now on opposite

sides, which is a huge deal, right?

694

So Ori is at this hospital and they wanna

keep him, they wanna make sure that once

695

he's well enough, like once he's treated,

that they can take him as a prisoner.

696

And so, Virgil, even though she despises

him, kind of, she treats him at the

697

hospital and helps him escape before

he is taken to the prisoner camp.

698

So Virgil is a really, really

interesting character in this.

699

And, she has a sad, outcome.

700

I won't spoil it in case anybody

want, wants to watch, but

701

Virgil is a, a great character.

702

Also just wanted to point out Kirsti.

703

This is 1985 Kirsti.

704

She's beautiful.

705

She's just, I mean, yeah, she, she looks

really good kirsti in this, in this.

706

So, you know, the self does end

up surrendering as we know.

707

But even prior to that, I, which I, I

don't know, I guess, I don't recall the

708

order of things, but before the South

surrendered Lincoln, his, emancipation

709

proclamation, I can't remember the

timing of it, but it was before the South

710

surrendered at, at any rate, so many

of the slaves are getting word of this,

711

and so they can leave, like they now are

free to leave if they, if they want to.

712

We do see in some cases, like.

713

Like Ezra and Semi Ramus who were

slaves at Monte Royal, at the Mains.

714

The mains were at quote

unquote nice to their slave.

715

Like they weren't brutal.

716

Like we see a lot.

717

I, I mean it's, those things shouldn't

go in the same sentence, but they sort

718

of, by this time have kind of developed

into a family unit with the remaining,

719

or so it's, it's the mother and the

sister-in-Law and the sister Brett

720

.

It's just them.

721

It's just like three women.

722

And then Ezra and Sammy Ramus.

723

So they have kind of formed this family

'cause the men are off fighting in

724

the war and the rest of the slaves

at Mount Royal do decide to leave.

725

So they, they leave and remember though,

and we're shown this in, in the series,

726

there's really nowhere for, so they get

freedom, but now they're sort of refugees.

727

and that comes into play because,

Madeline ends up being kind of

728

like, she runs like a refugee camp.

729

she helps fund it, find supplies and food

and everything to help, mostly women and

730

children because also by this time in the

north, I think just in the north, yeah.

731

So the north was like, great, you know,

again, like n nobody comes out squeaky

732

clean here, but the north is oh great.

733

we need soldiers.

734

So now they're like all these freed

slaves, they're like, come be in our army.

735

So it's a bunch of women and

children, kind of all around that

736

are left fending for themselves.

737

So.

738

Madeline again, she's very, she's

the beautiful love interest of Ori,

739

and so she, we see her help them.

740

but like I said, so e Ezra and semi ramus

were slaves at Mount Royal and the Maines

741

even give them a plot of land that, so

they can all like to stay at Mont Royal.

742

They're like, you can have, you know,

which, you know, which is nice, but it's

743

like, it's kind of the least you could do.

744

so they all kind of

are living as a family.

745

We see them, there's a

scene towards the end.

746

It's, it's sad, but it's quite

lovely as well that they're

747

all having dinner together.

748

Like they, they are

all living as a family.

749

And so there is a super

unfortunate event towards the end.

750

I won't spoil that in particular, but

it has to do with like the, the di

751

the dinner scene and what happens.

752

I won't spoil that, but

it's very unfortunate.

753

but in the end we do get a happy

ending because in the end, after

754

all of that, like the ending scene,

George, so everybody's back home, the

755

war's over, the men are back home.

756

George Reinvests in the Cotton Mill

that they had started long ago, and

757

there's a scene at the beginning

kind of when they first meet and talk

758

about going into business together.

759

George, like rips a, I think it's a $10

bill in half, like as a bet sort of.

760

And then they each take the half of the

$10 bill, which that was probably like,

761

I don't know, kind of a lot of money.

762

$10 back in the 18 hundreds.

763

Anyway, they've each kept the half

in their wallets for over 20 years,

764

and they pro proclaim that not only.

765

I mean, they have had, we see a lot of

up and downs within their friendship.

766

You know, they're on

opposite sides of the war.

767

And George especially, really, I mean

obviously he has a really hard time.

768

He's my best friend,

his family owns slaves.

769

Like what?

770

You know?

771

But we see somehow, like I said,

somehow we are sympathetic to Orain

772

because it's Patrick Swayze probably.

773

But they proclaim at this point,

after all they've been through,

774

they are not, not only are they

still best friends, they're family.

775

And I know this, that sounds, like kind

of a throwaway thing, like very movie

776

esque, but this mini series that's really

the heart of it and the beauty of it.

777

Is especially men, like two military

macho men, and we're shown like

778

they love each other as brothers.

779

Like they're not afraid to show it.

780

And I don't know, I know there's other

movies and stuff about like enduring

781

friendships and stuff like that,

but this is, this is a really good

782

example and it's shown really well.

783

Again, I think it's, I mean, Patrick

Swayze, it's Patrick Swayze, but the

784

guy who plays George is pretty good too.

785

And so that's the beauty of the

series is their enduring friendship.

786

Obviously there's also, you know,

there's people stabbing each other

787

in the back, metaphorically, I guess,

and literally, we have love stories.

788

there's a lot here and, I.

789

I don't know.

790

I just really love that they're,

we do get a happy ending.

791

And the other thing that I wanted

to, okay, those of you who know

792

me both in real life and on the

podcast, like it's evident that

793

humans are not my favorite species.

794

I'm always like, I'm like,

oh, animals are better.

795

I like, five people.

796

I mean, it's kind of a joke, but really

like we are, myself included, we are

797

just kind of a despicable species.

798

And I could not help but notice as I'm

rewatching this movie, I'm sorry, this

799

mini series made in the mid eighties,

so like almost 40 years ago, about

800

a time period from the 18 hundreds.

801

So, you know, from before the Civil war

time to the time this mini Sears we've

802

made almost 40 years ago to now in 2023.

803

I just kept noticing all the themes

that are shown about how wild it

804

is that things just never seem to

change in terms of us as a society.

805

We see the same parallels again

and again, and again and again

806

play out throughout history.

807

I'm curious if, if those of you

who have seen this or re-watch it

808

and let me know, but like what?

809

It's just glaringly obvious, the

attitudes towards war, our viewpoints

810

about other people, how we put certain

classes, or, you know, whatever it is,

811

like however we define someone other

than us, like just the viewpoints and

812

how we're able to other them and, and

therefore rationalize our treatment.

813

of someone that we consider other,

our seeming inability to learn

814

from historical mistakes like come

on society, get with the program.

815

Greed for money and power.

816

Boy, isn't that just the ultimate?

817

But it's over and over again.

818

attempts to rationalize against progress.

819

This is a big one for me too.

820

Like the, what we're seeing in

North and South is, Ori, he tries

821

to convince his father to modernize.

822

And he says, like a quote from

the series is, we can't ignore

823

progress or will be left behind.

824

But we see over and over and over

again that certain pe there's

825

this fight against progress.

826

There's also the ability to forego

basic human decency and individual

827

thought in the name of one's in-group.

828

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

829

And then, and I get, and like I'm

putting myself in the, like the average

830

person just seeming to only care

about the portion, the small portion

831

of an issue that personally affects

them rather than maybe what we should

832

be thinking about the greater good.

833

Or in some cases like taking

one for the team, so to speak.

834

So in north and South we see that

northerners both look down on the

835

Southerners for owning slaves,

but also the thing that they take

836

most issue with is the monetary

aspect, not the moral aspect.

837

and we see this time and

time again in history.

838

So like for example, like

the slave labor laws.

839

The slave labor allows the Southerners

to undercut prices that impacts the

840

Northerners ability to compete, even

though they're exploiting immigrant labor,

841

but it's, they still pay them something.

842

well, but thankfully though, there are

always people, like a small percentage

843

of people in any society, thankfully,

you know, that small percentage of the

844

population who really do stand up on moral

grounds, like in this series IL does.

845

Sorry, that's like such a big fat

bummer, but it's just so glaring to me.

846

And I'm curious if, I'm, I'm

curious to hear what you all thought

847

when you watched it, I guess like

just perhaps rewatching it now.

848

Especially, you know, a lot of

those things stand out, but let's

849

turn that big fat bummer around by

talking about how hot Patrick is.

850

you guys knew that was coming, I'm sure,

but I mean, for real though, we get a,

851

a southern accent from Patrick Swayze.

852

'cause he plays a South

Carolinian, is that how you say it?

853

Now Patrick is originally from Texas,

but I don't think he has like an accent.

854

I don't notice him in

other movies like he does.

855

He seems to not have an accent, but

Texas and South Car, Carolina, even if

856

he did have an accent, would be very

different from a South Carolina accent.

857

Anyway, we get a nice

little accent from Patrick.

858

we also get a ton of him

859

So that's 12 mini movies within

this mini series of Patrick Swayze.

860

Yes, please.

861

It was just a delight.

862

I mean, despite the content of the series,

but Patrick was very nice to look at.

863

of course we see him as the hero

in many scenarios in this series.

864

And he's, even with the cane, like

he's got a limp, like he's not.

865

Fully able-bodied, but he's

still able to be the hero.

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Of course, it's Patrick Swayze, you guys.

867

let's see.

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Oh, a super sensual love scene.

869

Okay, so this is TVPG and somehow

Patrick is, is able to pull

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that off even in a PG version.

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I think I'm officially anointing

this man as the king of love scenes.

872

Now that I'm thinking about it.

873

I, I'll put out that as a challenge.

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Is there another actor who's better

at love scenes than Patrick Swayze?

875

He also does it like he'll kick some ass

and then have the most amazing love scene.

876

So I mean also just, to jog your

memory for the challenge that I

877

just put out there, in addition to

this one with Ori Maine and Madeline

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Dirty Dancing and Roadhouse, they're,

they're probably to the best and

879

they're both set to Otis Rudd music.

880

I mean, come on.

881

And then of course, we just covered

the clay pottery scene in Ghost Patrick

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just oozes sex appeal and sensuality.

883

Let me know.

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Do you agree?

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You should.

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If not, like I said, I challenge you.

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Who is better at sex scenes,

love scenes than Patrick Swayze?

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I buy it.

889

I fully buy it.

890

Whew.

891

All right.

892

As I've talked about, but I do wanna just

like in conclusion, reiterate that the

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heart of this series, this sounds corny,

but it's beautiful, like the beauty of

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George and Ore's enduring friendship.

895

And there's a few quotes that I found

particularly fitting, in addition to

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that, just in terms of what people

might be feeling or dealing with.

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Now.

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George is saying this about Ori when

he's struggling with their friendship.

899

So I feel like that is

happening a lot now too.

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We struggle with family and friends

that seem to be, just like on such a

901

different level or different viewpoint

on stuff going on in the world right now.

902

So George says this about Ori.

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He says, how can I oppose everything

he stands for and still be his friend?

904

He does.

905

We see.

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But, but yeah, I mean that just, I, I

found that really, I guess, prescient

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for the times that we're in right now.

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So thought I, I thought

I would point that out.

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Additionally, Abraham Lincoln says, will

the South be allowed to take by violence?

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What they could not win in an election?

911

Also thought that was prescient

for the times we're in right now.

912

Okay, so there's some trivia that I

thought you guys might be interested in.

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I always like the trivia.

914

I hope you guys do too.

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Anyway, let me know.

916

So, okay, so this first installment, 1985.

917

Apparently it remains the seventh

highest rated mini series in TV history.

918

I remember there were a lot

of miniseries back in the day.

919

I think Roots was probably up there,

probably, maybe like maybe the number one.

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I also loved this to prepare

for the role of George Hazzard.

921

James Reed spent several weeks at

Patrick Swayze's Horse Ranch, where

922

Swayze taught Reed how to ride.

923

I thought that was awesome.

924

just 'cause Patrick can do everything.

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But also there's a lot of horse

riding in this, like again, it's

926

horse and buggies and they're riding

around like in battle on horses.

927

Everywhere they go,

they're traveling by horse.

928

So I thought it was really

interesting that James Reed didn't

929

know how to ride a horse beforehand.

930

so that was cool.

931

And then I touched on this a little bit,

but filming of this mini series resulted

932

in four count them, four marriages in

real life amongst the cast and crew.

933

so we already talked about James Reed

and Wendy Kilborn, who, I think they're

934

still married today, but they played a

married couple opposite each other, and.

935

They got married in 1988 and

have two children, and I think

936

they're still married today.

937

then we have Jonathan Franks and Janie

Francis, who had previously played

938

opposite each other on a failed NBC soap

939

but they kind of remet on this set.

940

And they also married in 1988.

941

Leslie Ann down who plays the gorgeous

Madeline, she married the assistant

942

cameraman cameraman, Dawn e Font.

943

Laroi in 1986.

944

I would like to see what he looks like.

945

I, I hope he's like a dreamy

dude, 'cause she's gorgeous.

946

now I found this really interesting.

947

So they met, when they were both

married to other people, obviously they

948

obtained divorces to marry each other.

949

And then Terry Garber.

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Married, screenwriter, Chris Hager, whom

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on the set of North and South Book two.

952

They had a daughter named Molly in

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I also think I touched on, so James

Stewart, he plays, he plays a lawyer

954

in this and it was actually his

final onscreen onscreen performance.

955

I thought that was really interesting.

956

Now this is juicy, you guys.

957

I don't know.

958

It's gossipy, but, okay.

959

So according to Kirsty Alley in

her memoir, oh, I just now realize

960

that they're both deceased.

961

That's so sad.

962

Christie's memoir.

963

And in it she says that she and

Patrick Swayze actually fell in

964

love during the filming of this.

965

They, but they were both married to other

people and did not cheat on their spouses.

966

So it's, yeah, I mean, I

guess that that's true.

967

I mean, it's sort of parallel to the

situation that, Ori and Madeline were in

968

for such a long time because they're in

love for so long, and then they do finally

969

end up getting to be with each other.

970

But obviously, I mean, that I

can, I, I guess I can buy it.

971

And I also love that they did not cheat.

972

They recognized there was a spark

there, something there, and I don't know

973

however they went on to deal with it.

974

But, yeah.

975

What do you guys think?

976

Do you think it's true?

977

What do you think?

978

I, please let me know.

979

You can email me.

980

You can comment on this episode

on Facebook or on YouTube.

981

hey, speaking of.

982

Do you follow on Facebook?

983

Do did you subscribe to Retro

Made on your podcast app?

984

let's see.

985

Are you subscribed on YouTube?

986

All of the things.

987

Alright, I think that about covers it.

988

Have you guys seen North and South?

989

Did you watch it in

history class like I did.

990

Let me know if you haven't.

991

It is quite good.

992

Oh, one of the things I didn't tell

tell you about that I forgot to

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mention, it's got an 8.0 on IMDB.

994

Both books.

995

I think maybe only the thing was higher.

996

So this is the highest rated on

IMDB that we've covered so far.

997

It's super hard to get a high

rating on, like to get an eight

998

is hard to come by on I-I-M-D-B.

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I think the thing had like an 8.1 or 8.2.

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But anyway, north and South has an 8.0.

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It's got an outstanding cast.

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so I would recommend, even if you

have seen it, if you haven't seen

01:06:59,658 --> 01:07:02,698

it in a while, it's just like a

nice thing to kind of put on and

01:07:03,478 --> 01:07:04,978

get, get to see our dreamboat.

01:07:05,198 --> 01:07:05,488

yeah.

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So request it from your library people.

01:07:07,628 --> 01:07:08,568

And if you do let me know.

01:07:08,948 --> 01:07:12,928

It is also, did I mention

all of the guest stars?

01:07:12,998 --> 01:07:14,128

It's worth it for them alone.

01:07:14,158 --> 01:07:18,118

Like when I was, like watching it,

there's really long opening credits

01:07:18,118 --> 01:07:19,758

and I just kept seeing all these names.

01:07:19,858 --> 01:07:21,638

I'm like, oh my God, that

person, that person, that person.

01:07:21,658 --> 01:07:23,958

And so then it's kind

of fun to look for them.

01:07:24,748 --> 01:07:29,638

Like you see, like for example,

I was like, oh, Morgan Fairchild.

01:07:29,858 --> 01:07:31,078

I'm curious to see who she is.

01:07:31,088 --> 01:07:31,958

Who's Elizabeth Taylor?

01:07:32,008 --> 01:07:32,548

all of these.

01:07:32,928 --> 01:07:34,948

And so it's fun when they pop up.

01:07:35,808 --> 01:07:36,718

ooh, what's his face?

01:07:36,938 --> 01:07:39,008

Wayne Newton is a fun one as well.

01:07:39,008 --> 01:07:39,888

Like his character.

01:07:39,958 --> 01:07:42,128

It's very Wayne Newton

It's, it's Wayne Newton.

01:07:42,128 --> 01:07:42,688

Is Wayne Newton.

01:07:42,828 --> 01:07:46,558

Anyway, you guys should,

request this from your library.

01:07:47,778 --> 01:07:53,608

And it also, like another, another selling

point is that it does have like all of

01:07:53,608 --> 01:07:56,168

the makings of any good episodic drama.

01:07:57,188 --> 01:07:59,888

Ev even if you don't love a period

piece, which I don't, I don't love

01:07:59,888 --> 01:08:01,248

a period piece, but this is good.

01:08:01,248 --> 01:08:05,208

Like I love a, you know, there's,

like I said, all of the things that a

01:08:05,208 --> 01:08:06,808

drama would have, it has all of that.

01:08:06,908 --> 01:08:09,128

Oh, and did I mention

Patrick Swayze's in it?

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Alright, before you go pick your next

episode to listen to, please give

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Retro Made a quick rating and Review.

01:08:17,228 --> 01:08:17,648

Review.

01:08:17,788 --> 01:08:20,648

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So please do that.

01:08:22,627 --> 01:08:26,508

You guys, if, you know, life in

the Civil War era does seem pretty

01:08:26,508 --> 01:08:31,587

awful, so I suppose I'm happy to

return to the present day craziness.

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Until next time, be kind, rewind.