In the Mouth of Madness (1995) may not be everyone's favorite John Carpenter movie, but it's one of Scott's Halloween favorites. We watch one Frank hasn't seen, and next week we watch one Scott hasn't seen!

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In the Mouth of Madness - John and the Magic Crayon

[00:00:09] Frank Roll: Hollywood and the

[00:00:22] Scott Moran: Does this hold up? And just what the hell is a good movie anyway? I'm Frank Roll. I'm Scott Moran. And we're the Last

[00:00:36] Scott Moran: I watched People Under the Stairs. And I watched, yes, still

[00:00:43] Scott Moran: Yes. And then, uh, I watched, uh, Prince of Darkness because this one was in there. Uh, I haven't seen Prince of Darkness as much, but it's not my favorite.

[00:01:00] Frank Roll: I'm just being that guy. I'm sorry. I had a day off today that I normally don't have off. So I feel different. Cause you know I'm always used, I'm so burnout when I come over here, now I'm just like, I did errands and things around the house.

[00:01:19] Scott Moran: Yeah. I would like to not do any work for a day. I don't think I'm able to do that. I mean some

[00:01:39] Frank Roll: You know what I

[00:01:55] Frank Roll: You still gotta take them outside. Walk.

[00:01:58] Scott Moran: there the walk is the intense part. Yeah, like you do all three at once Yeah, dude, Wow a 70 of 50 and a 30 all at once Well,

[00:02:11] Scott Moran: They're all old, though. Beyond adulthood. So,

[00:02:19] Frank Roll: Weird horror.

[00:02:24] Frank Roll: There you go. Laura fucking Dern. Yeah.

[00:02:36] Frank Roll: It's like Christian Bale when he was in stuff as a kid.

[00:02:40] Scott Moran: seen Empire of the Sun. Nope. Never did it. It's a Steven Spielberg movie. I know. What the fuck, right? That's your weird blind spot. I mean, it's like, you know,

[00:02:49] Scott Moran: catch 'em all. Yeah, but you can watch that one. That's a good fucking movie. It's like a classic.

[00:03:00] Scott Moran: Did I dress up in a leather bondage suit while I watched People Under The Stairs? Not this time.

[00:03:09] Scott Moran: movie. I just sit perfectly motionless. Every now and then. Just drool every now and then.

[00:03:20] Frank Roll: Anything else? You watch anything

[00:03:41] Scott Moran: It's good to find

[00:03:43] Scott Moran: What you're looking for. Nothing gets that feeling like, I watched the first season of The Lost by buying a DVD set of it and that's why it was so good. Like everybody else had that like, what's happening week by week. But it was like, that was the first time I bought and binge watched an entire season of a TV show.

[00:04:10] Frank Roll: I did some oldies. I watched Virtuosity. How was that? I'll give them this much. You know, I've been watching a lot of those like, uh, the tech ones lately. And the, just the memory.

[00:04:37] Scott Moran: do you think he is

[00:04:39] Frank Roll: Oh god, I mean he's probably running, I don't know dude, he's probably running out of a server room somewhere, you know what I mean, there's probably like racks on racks supporting the new

[00:04:53] Frank Roll: racks, I'm telling you man, this dude would have like a whole like data center.

[00:05:05] Scott Moran: see I'm picturing the end scene of the movie in my mind and being like there's no way That's gonna hold up for me.

[00:05:12] Frank Roll: just Denzel, you know, like he's been older for a while now so to see like Mid late 90s Denzel in a movie. I'm like, damn.

[00:05:21] Frank Roll: yeah. And when he first started and it's like hair, you know what I mean? Like it's before he gets trimmed up. Damn. That's like nineties Denzel.

[00:05:31] Scott Moran: Man fallen. I need to watch that again. Fallen is so good. I know I've seen a

[00:05:42] Scott Moran: last couple years. Weirdly, I used to watch Seven on Christmas all the time. Okay. Like, it was like a, a movie I watched around Christmas time for some reason.

[00:05:55] Frank Roll: the head in the box a present?

[00:06:08] Scott Moran: So like, that would be like what I did, was I'd be like, you wanna watch Seven? And I'd be like, you wanna watch The Shining so we can see snow again? Oh, and I'm halfway

[00:06:18] Scott Moran: Halfway through Dragnet. Yeah,

[00:06:24] Frank Roll: Dragnet though, just starting it. I'm like, oh shit, I'm watching it. Like, I'm gonna finish it.

[00:06:31] Frank Roll: Well, uh, they just met what's her name, so I think she's about to get kidnapped. Oh, okay. So it's before

[00:06:42] Scott Moran: Oh

[00:06:47] Scott Moran: see the whole thing unfolding. I watched it so many times when I was little. Yeah, it was

[00:06:55] Frank Roll: So, I had some

[00:07:03] Frank Roll: Well, so did you do like, The Spies Like

[00:07:14] Scott Moran: You know, when I was a little kid. So that's not such a bad way to find your way. Like we had pretty good source material as far as that. That was the same as like, I watched Michael Keaton movies because he was fucking Batman.

[00:07:29] Frank Roll: Like

[00:07:36] Frank Roll: touched my hand. Scott likes to put, like, superimpose himself into pictures with Michael Keaton. It's

[00:07:44] Frank Roll: it for years. But it was amazing because every now and then he would just text me if I didn't see it, like, on Facebook or something.

[00:07:53] Scott Moran: or was that a Vine thing? I made a, an Instagram account called just hanging with Michael Keaton. It was at just hanging with Michael Keaton. It's still there. So

[00:08:07] Frank Roll: He's in so much. I think the last thing. It gave me more pictures too. What was the McDonald's one? That's the last one that like,

[00:08:14] Frank Roll: that. And I watched one on Netflix called worth. He played a lawyer. He had to put a number on the life of the victims from 9

[00:08:26] Scott Moran: You're gonna do The Flash? Yeah. I knew that's where that was going. Because I've several times been like, you wanna watch The Flash? And she's like, fucking no. So now's your chance to

[00:08:40] Frank Roll: So they're like newer. And what I did was I was eating dinner and I was like, I just want something in the background. The same people? It is dude. Yeah Giorgio it's aliens the hands the

[00:08:57] Frank Roll: Well, and I watched his he got his own show for it didn't make it though, but I watched one and oh my you know What you're getting into with ancient aliens, it's just you know ancient

[00:09:09] Frank Roll: new ones.

[00:09:19] Scott Moran: point. I also watched a couple episodes of ghost adventures for no particular reason. Ghost adventures? Pretty

[00:09:26] Frank Roll: Yeah, so did you ever seen those before?

[00:09:31] Frank Roll: this So out of that whole thing even ghost hunters like the original one Well, that was, you know, a reality TV hit ghost adventures was the best to me. I've watched so many, if you ever get a chance to watch their, um, full length thing, I forget where it's, you know, it's a place that's haunted dude.

[00:09:50] Scott Moran: down. Oh, it's like an

[00:10:05] Scott Moran: That's the thing is that kind of shit, even if it's fake, it kind of gets me when they're like, it's like two people like very intently listening to something.

[00:10:19] Frank Roll: with them though, when you watch too many, you get to the point where it's like, did it get colder in here? Yeah,

[00:10:29] Scott Moran: Like you can't hit it hard

[00:10:37] Scott Moran: feel like myself. I felt like it wore out. It's welcome. Like those two guys. Like I was like, okay, Roto Rooter guys. You guys don't work at Roto Rooter anymore. You don't have to say that in the fucking,

[00:10:49] Frank Roll: There's

[00:10:56] Frank Roll: definitely a ghost adventures guy.

[00:11:00] Frank Roll: His hair, with the glasses, and like, his style. I think that, he, they drew me in, man. Yeah,

[00:11:08] Scott Moran: It's a more charismatic show.

[00:11:14] Scott Moran: had a cast member from Ghostbusters in it. And it

[00:11:20] Scott Moran: This was Vigo's last movie. No way.

[00:11:25] Scott Moran: He just quit making movies?

[00:11:30] Frank Roll: He looked pretty

[00:11:41] Frank Roll: This one, I want to tell you, I said I'd never seen it. How many times have I said I'd never seen it, but like, oh, I thought I had? No, I've seen this movie. I can't tell you at what point in life, and I don't remember the storyline. But I will tell you, I've seen the movie. There were too many times where I was like, oh shit.

[00:12:15] Scott Moran: this. So this was the time in 1995 when I suddenly realized who John Carpenter was and how much a part of my life he had become.

[00:12:29] Frank Roll: oh, he's had his hand in this many

[00:12:43] Scott Moran: Alien and The Thing hold, like, the top two. The third one rotates. Blade Runner gets rotated back in every time I watch it. I'm like, oh my god, it's so good. And then, like, it starts to kind of orbit. You know? Something else comes in there. Oh, fuck. Blade Runner's back. It's still not better than The Thing or Alien, but science fiction.

[00:13:20] Scott Moran: Yeah, I

[00:13:39] Frank Roll: The setting. In certain scenes, I'm like, I've watched this. Didn't regret watching it. I like this movie.

[00:13:52] Frank Roll: are some holes. There's some holes. I'm gonna tell you there's some big holes.

[00:14:10] Scott Moran: come from? I rented this as a new release when I was 11 years old, because that was when they started loosening up the grip on what I watched.

[00:14:21] Frank Roll: this was before you had to be, what, 17? Or have like, parental approval to rent on their account. Remember when that started at Blockbuster? Do you remember

[00:14:33] Scott Moran: And I didn't do it, it was just like, my mom was like, I think Was it a movie gallery? No, my friend, it, I forget what the video story actually was called now, weirdly enough, but my friend John's parents owned it. Oh. So, they would come and like, my mom would show them the movie and it was basically, the question my mom was asking was, is this movie full of sex?

[00:15:05] Frank Roll: do. I'm gonna watch this in my room.

[00:15:13] Scott Moran: They did some weird

[00:15:18] Scott Moran: It was called Blown Away. Okay. And it was, but it was not the Jeff Bridges movie.

[00:15:25] Scott Moran: With U2 and the soundtrack, yeah. That one was good. Yeah, it had a good plot.

[00:15:33] Frank Roll: all those. You know, what's that one with Brad Pitt and,

[00:15:42] Frank Roll: With a K.

[00:15:49] Frank Roll: The Devil's Own. You! You couldn't distract me. Parasite Ford. Devil's Own, yes. Wasn't it Devil's Own? Devil's Own, yeah. I watched that one, uh, within the last year.

[00:16:01] Scott Moran: It was alright. This movie, though. When do you think you saw it? Uh, what? In the Mouth of Madness?

[00:16:17] Frank Roll: So maybe like whatever HBO or Cinemax it made its way to, 96 ish probably, 95, 96, I probably watched it. Or, or, high school it was on a channel during daytime.

[00:16:38] Scott Moran: Well, that's what I'm saying.

[00:16:51] Scott Moran: Just nothing. Kind of what's good about this movie is the storyline, too.

[00:16:55] Frank Roll: great. I can't think of anything else offhand where this is the, the plot, you know what I mean? Okay, and I got a question about it, but I think it's

[00:17:11] Scott Moran: And now it's Halloween for the second time. It was 2.

[00:17:14] Scott Moran: well. Not a bad price for this. 2. 99? Come on! Completely worth it to

[00:17:22] Scott Moran: store. Yeah, that's true. We do fall for some shit. Everything should be 1.

[00:17:28] Frank Roll: Like, I'm happy about 2. 99 on Amazon, but just now I was like, well shit, it wasn't 2. 99 what the new release DVD was compared to the 1. 99 or 99 cents?

[00:17:41] Frank Roll: there paying for your penis rocket ships.

[00:17:47] Scott Moran: I'm gonna go off on a tangent, but I was thinking about it the other day and I was like, we make fun of this guy for like, he built a spaceship, took Captain Kirk with it, and wore a cowboy hat. It's fucking awesome. Kinda. It's just because he has a lot of money. Makes us mad.

[00:18:04] Frank Roll: That's how that works. We've seen the movies

[00:18:29] Scott Moran: But I kind of picked that vibe up this time at the very beginning at the very beginning. Oh, of course. I thought it was strong He was just some Psychologist, you know,

[00:18:45] Frank Roll: It's been a long time. Okay. Okay. See, so you had that idea and you were close, like you're close, you

[00:19:04] Scott Moran: But he sits and recounts the story to the doctor Trent. Was hired to locate horror author Sutter Cain after Cain's agent went crazy from reading his newest book and murdered his family and then somehow finds him in the middle of, are they in New York or Chicago or something like that?

[00:19:24] Frank Roll: I was not.

[00:19:32] Frank Roll: agent comes for him. New York, Chicago, maybe Philadelphia. Close enough

[00:19:46] Scott Moran: Making the shape of New Hampshire, perhaps leading to the author's reclusive New England home. When Trent falls asleep, Stiles drive turns into a strange nightmare encounter, and she miraculously arrives in the fictional town of Hob's End, where Kane's story seemed to be

[00:20:09] Scott Moran: Yeah, because it was, that's the thing that really scared me, I think, when I was a kid was that. Area of the movie. Well, yeah,

[00:20:25] Frank Roll: Yeah, let him know what the fuck just happened. Don't just be like, Yeah, and then It's your turn to drive. Suddenly it's morning. Yeah, it's your turn to drive like that's the best she could come up with bitch. Give me some

[00:20:38] Frank Roll: drive. No talk about what the fuck she just saw But when they find

[00:20:50] Scott Moran: And he insists that Trent was drawn here to deliver his new manuscript to the world and usher in the end of mankind. I mean, he could have just given it to his fucking agent didn't need to make his agent go crazy and kill his family. Trent is left wondering what's real and what's part of another Suttercane story.

[00:21:09] Frank Roll: That's like spot on for like a horror author. John

[00:21:17] Frank Roll: straight, his name is John Trent?

[00:21:22] Frank Roll: I never knew through the whole movie what his name was.

[00:21:28] Scott Moran: They don't really refer to him at all. He calls Hurt Styles the whole movie. So

[00:21:40] Scott Moran: that? I did. I also think that Sam Neill floated in and out of his New Zealand accent through the entire movie.

[00:21:58] Frank Roll: Hey, and about the crayon. Magic fucking crayon. He's only asked for one black girl. skin, his skin, his clothes, the room top to bottom has fucking crucifixes everywhere.

[00:22:11] Scott Moran: that high? Well, I'm like,

[00:22:28] Frank Roll: I was looking, I was like, those edges meet. Think about how hard it would be even just to draw like a crucifix on your head without seeing it. It was just

[00:22:45] Frank Roll: Well, and not only that,

[00:22:48] Frank Roll: Look, we just watched the Pope's Exorcist, okay? Like, these crucifixes aren't gonna stop what's happening to him. This is like a takeover. Fucking takeover. In the Mouth of Madness is the third installment of what John Carpenter refers to as his Apocalypse Trilogy, in which he includes 1982's The Thing and 1987's The Prince of Darkness.

[00:23:24] Scott Moran: They kind of throw you when you saw Charlton Heston

[00:23:28] Frank Roll: That's, that's

[00:23:31] Frank Roll: Yeah. So, was this movie like a big deal when it came out? Like,

[00:23:40] Frank Roll: million. Well, because almost every performer, like, they get to a point in their career where like, even the great ones are doing just like whatever at the end for money.

[00:23:51] Scott Moran: Charlton Heston's always been this kind of guy. You know, this is the kind of movie he does. Like, when you think back at Charlton Heston's career, he likes horror and science fiction movies. So, it's not a stretch to be like, yeah, I want to do a John Carpenter movie in 1995.

[00:24:06] Frank Roll: always go to Planet of the Apes, but I was like, wait, he was Soylent Green too.

[00:24:16] Frank Roll: No. Oh, that's good. You know, I saw this movie once called A Boy

[00:24:19] Scott Moran: Yeah, you made me watch that when we were in high school, and I was like, fucking. Let's just say Don Johnson! I'm gonna say,

[00:24:33] Scott Moran: You were like, I'm gonna put this in Scott's fuckin head.

[00:24:45] Frank Roll: you know, so this was somewhere between 99 and 01, and I found it at my Blockbuster. Just saying. I mean, what was it, 20 years old at that point, probably? 25?

[00:24:58] Scott Moran: Bridges. Ha ha ha ha ha!

[00:25:13] Scott Moran: I don't think I noticed until this watch that it's Viggo. Oh, like you the whole time?

[00:25:19] Frank Roll: fucking movie. Yeah, this is like, this is Viggo at his best. I don't

[00:25:27] Frank Roll: Well, and he's got lines, and what, he's in it two or three different scenes? Yeah. It's also got Frances Bay, who we mostly think of as Happy Gilmore's grandma, Mrs.

[00:25:36] Scott Moran: innkeeper. It's creepy. She was fucking really good at this. She

[00:25:52] Frank Roll: The movie is filled to the brim with references to Lovecraft and Stephen King. But Scott can tell us more about that as it comes up. And I will. And I will! Uh, the score of this film is as usual composed by John Carpenter himself and is inspired by Metallica's Enter Sandman. Carpenter wanted to use the song in the opening of the movie, but was unable to secure the rights.

[00:26:17] Scott Moran: You wouldn't give a song to John Carpenter? Nah, they probably didn't know. They probably, it was probably somebody else. Somebody who was like, not interested.

[00:26:29] Frank Roll: The movie is largely considered a box office flop, but it's a fucking John Carpenter's movie, so cult status is

[00:26:41] Frank Roll: time. It was good. It was good. I like, I was worried, you know, even some of my favorite movies just because of age, it's really hard for me to go back and enjoy it.

[00:27:02] Scott Moran: This one sits with Stephen King's The Dark Half. for me. Did you ever watch The Dark Half? No.

[00:27:26] Scott Moran: That's badass! It does not hold up as well, movie wise. But that book and that movie, like, stick

[00:27:44] Scott Moran: Yeah, but this was not a horror movie plot that I've ever seen before, or it has ever really been done again.

[00:28:05] Scott Moran: to be that but I still think it was really tight as far as the story goes because he Says the whole thing about like maybe the world would be better off if we all died

[00:28:21] Scott Moran: beginning of it.

[00:28:32] Frank Roll: he sounded. Yeah. Well, the splitting pupils,

what

[00:28:43] Scott Moran: Hobbs end. There's a Stephen King story called crouch end. It's a town in England, but. I feel like that was kind of where that came from. And then the rest of it was a lot of H. P. Lovecraft stuff. Some of the characters, straight up when they're reading Sutter Cain things, they're lines from H. P. Lovecraft.

[00:29:16] Frank Roll: I, and I don't recall exactly where that was at, but

[00:29:20] Scott Moran: I think it's Trent reading it. And then there was another one that was like from Rats in the Walls that she read. A totally different H. P. Lovecraft story. But all of the titles of everything were like almost H. P. Lovecraft titles.

[00:29:40] Frank Roll: It's a chimera thing Sorry, I could not let that shit go. I could not let it go. I had to know the split pupils Well to me, you know, uh, we talked about post exorcist. I was like what the fuck's up with the teeth? I get it It's evil. But what is that? I didn't get it the split pupils like that. That's some

[00:29:59] Scott Moran: I think the police officer in his dream had them too.

[00:30:16] Scott Moran: Yeah. The deformity of the people that would pop up throughout it. Ooh, the

[00:30:21] Frank Roll: That was like Hellraiser

[00:30:29] Frank Roll: That was those little John Carpenter kicks. Or how about like when he is in the padded cell and the music and he's like, not the carpenters too

[00:30:49] Scott Moran: really funny. Like here and there on purpose.

[00:30:54] Frank Roll: Stiles when it's him and Stiles, who the fuck carries around like an old school bike horn in their glove box.

[00:31:07] Scott Moran: lonely or some shit. And then she's up and he sleeps through the whole fucking like drive to hell.

[00:31:19] Frank Roll: I'm like, look, I know this is like the mid nineties, but Hey, it's not okay. But then just like the. The childish, she's sleeping in the car. I would like

[00:31:37] Frank Roll: moment. But wasn't she doing it as a distraction?

[00:31:43] Scott Moran: apparently made of pasta that she

[00:31:53] Scott Moran: cut it up and found out that the shape of New Hampshire was made if you put them together like a puzzle.

[00:32:20] Frank Roll: couple of years, or maybe like the story, not.

[00:32:39] Frank Roll: Today is mommy's day. That shit freaked me out when

[00:32:42] Frank Roll: too. Man, I was like, that's, there was some good creepy shit. Even the, uh, the viney looking monster fuckers,

[00:32:59] Frank Roll: they were like in the credits of everything, everything.

[00:33:17] Scott Moran: I will say the little boy on the bike, still kind of freaky, when he drives by as an old

[00:33:22] Frank Roll: Oh yeah, and that's one of those scenes? That was one that stuck in my head. Well that's the thing, that's closer towards the beginning when they, all that shit goes down. I was like, I've seen this, like there was no doubt in my mind that I had not seen it at that point, I just didn't fucking remember anything.

[00:33:38] Scott Moran: I remember being more freaked out that she was in the car alone, you know, and he was like asleep and thinking like how freaky that would be to be like driving. And I wasn't old enough to drive yet.

[00:33:54] Frank Roll: Anytime you're in a car and something like that happens, there's a little piece of me that goes back to Thanks for the ride lady. Thanks for the ride lady. Entitled fucking people in what, a Mercedes or whatever it was in that one. Anyway, sorry. But again, like, that's Stephen King, right? Like... So, I mean, my mind is getting close to there.

[00:34:16] Scott Moran: when looking up people in this movie, I realized that David Warner was in The Omen because I was looking through the credit list and Sam Neill was in The Omen 3. Never saw it, I don't think. It's worth a watch. Is it? He plays Damien all grown up and he goes into politics.

[00:34:46] Scott Moran: last time I it's not bad. It's, it's, it's not as bad as The

[00:34:54] Frank Roll: That's the thing. I see covered bridges, I think Beutlejuice, I think Funny Farm. I

[00:35:03] Frank Roll: Like, I mean, okay, well yeah, and we know they're in the North that makes sense. And I

[00:35:10] Scott Moran: I don't really remember. It makes me think of Nosferatu, by Jo Hill, Stephen King's son. Because she like, crosses a covered bridge to like, She can, basically like, cable slide between places. Anyway, whole other.

[00:35:32] Scott Moran: Oh, we're watching the dark half now. For

[00:35:37] Scott Moran: Kingers. Yeah, we're gonna definitely do a month of Stephen King at some point. That'll be

[00:35:44] Scott Moran: I thought that was a painting. In the background, I looked it up, it's a real place. Is it? Yeah, they shot those exterior shots for real.

[00:36:06] Frank Roll: really good. Well, and it comes complete with all you who enter here, signage.

[00:36:17] Scott Moran: What's with the kids chasing the three legged dog? Was that, that was just, Styles was the only one who saw it, right? Was he three legged from the beginning?

[00:36:35] Scott Moran: It's possible. Everybody seemed to be getting deformed. And I guess that's what was happening out in the world, too. Once the book gets out. You get the devil's acne. You get the Devil's Acne. You have to strip during the day. Daytime stripper. And make sure that

[00:36:53] Frank Roll: It's the weapon of choice for the possessed under the influence of the Devil's Acne.

[00:37:00] Frank Roll: one use, one purchase crayon is here.

[00:37:09] Frank Roll: Well, she was still coherent enough to I thought she was like I'm getting the fuck out of here Like she was like what I preach, you know, the don't fuck with it.

[00:37:21] Scott Moran: Sutter Cane. Yeah

[00:37:38] Frank Roll: right. All in about 95 minutes.

[00:37:44] Scott Moran: This movie didn't feel long either.

[00:37:59] Scott Moran: once he

[00:38:04] Scott Moran: me But it's like after the wall of monsters when he rips his face open.

[00:38:25] Scott Moran: Yes Yes, yes, yes. And apparently that was all one big thing. It was like one big cart full of monsters.

[00:38:40] Frank Roll: Yeah, they were

[00:38:49] Frank Roll: is a walking dead Greg Nicotero, right? Yeah, so I had that early on in my notes I saw that in the in the opening credits and I was like, oh shit, that's badass

[00:39:04] Frank Roll: series that I watched on sci fi years ago The Eli Roths, whatever.

[00:39:09] Scott Moran: Yeah. Yeah, I think that they talked about that. I think they did, probably. Yeah, you're,

[00:39:16] Scott Moran: You gonna watch Daryl Dixon? I'm, I don't think Goes to France. With Carol. I would've rather watched a Carol show. Honestly. Yeah, does, is Carol on Daryl?

[00:39:42] Scott Moran: That's what I really want to know. Like. Dude, they pushed Daryl. I know? And

[00:39:52] Frank Roll: people. Maybe it's just a different, uh, different target audience now. I keep

[00:40:00] Frank Roll: Okay, can I, there were a couple things in this movie, there was another creepy crawler. Anytime you're dealing with, uh, the underworld, you gotta have a creepy crawler.

[00:40:12] Frank Roll: Yeah, yeah. Walking backwards. When she contorts it up. Always a creepy crawler. I think that's a horror movie staple. That

[00:40:19] Frank Roll: was, but man, I could appreciate it. The way that head was dropped down.

[00:40:24] Scott Moran: With the Stiles mask. The upside down Stiles mask.

[00:40:41] Frank Roll: Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, you're, you're working with the best

[00:40:51] Frank Roll: is awesome. Well, and something I've talked about magic bullets in movies, you know, people shoot at stuff and it blows up, like, even if it's like a wood shed, like fucking all of a sudden it just explodes, like it's got 20 pounds of dynamite in it, magic bullets.

[00:41:15] Scott Moran: clean.

[00:41:18] Frank Roll: from Evil Dead. The magic fucking towel. There's these magic things in movies that are like, that's not how that works. A

[00:41:26] Frank Roll: Yeah, I mean, look, I've got a kid, I found crayon on my forearm, I licked that shit on my thumb three fucking times, it's not gone.

[00:41:36] Scott Moran: Anyway. So, when he comes back with the book and he goes back through the portal, the, you know, a small town where a boy is delivering newspapers? That boy delivering newspapers, Hayden Christensen. No way. Yeah, first movie. Who asks if he's alright? Yeah, Darth fucking Vader. That was him?

[00:42:01] Frank Roll: cast list. Well, so what's crazy is how old this movie is to us now. And okay, so this was his first movie. So I mean, Star Wars, like The newer Star Wars.

[00:42:14] Scott Moran: mean that it's, I'm really breaking

[00:42:15] Scott Moran: down. Yeah. Yeah, that, that was his first movie, but he was a teenager in Star Wars.

[00:42:27] Scott Moran: Anyway. To be fair though, second Star Wars movie, not Phantom Menace.

[00:42:52] Scott Moran: But there's like a cut of It chapter 1 and 2 cut together like the Stephen King book. So it goes more like the mini series where it jumps back and forth. Sweet! I want to request it from that guy. I'd so be down to watch like a 4 hour cut of It. Well,

[00:43:16] Frank Roll: With the fucking evil. Beings coming up from wherever so don't you love it when he's in the scene with Charlton Heston at the end. He's like, well Don't distribute this, you know, he's like, well, I hope he's like the movies coming out You know what? I mean? Like they they cover it, you know for the people who don't read don't worry.

[00:43:44] Scott Moran: So I read Robert Ebert's review of In the Mouth of Madness from 1995. His whole review.

[00:44:12] Scott Moran: He pulled

[00:44:16] Scott Moran: that, being like, People are this excited about books? And I was like, Well, no, man. Later they make the movie. And then you find out you're watching the fuckin movie. I'll admit,

[00:44:32] Frank Roll: Ha ha ha. Sometimes I tear it apart way more than I should, and I'm sorry. It's just something will rub me the wrong way. What's weird is you capture a lot of stuff that I wanted to talk about in the, uh, in the outline. Yeah, that's nice. I don't know. That's almost too clean for me. I feel like I'm missing something, but no great movie.

[00:44:51] Scott Moran: It's a fun movie to watch around Halloween. Yeah,

[00:45:03] Scott Moran: I also found out doing research about this movie is during the credits right at the end, just after the SPCA disclaimer that animals are being monitored and unharmed.

[00:45:29] Frank Roll: That's hardcore! So, next week we're watching Ghosts of Mars. Is that what we're watching?

[00:45:45] Scott Moran: a horror movie.

[00:45:53] Frank Roll: Was it Alien Abduction or was

[00:45:57] Frank Roll: Hell House LLC. And it's going to be that one because it's on streaming right now. You don't have to pay for it. Oh, I have to watch it too though. Don't I? Yeah. Oh, that one really fucks with me, but you're like, you're going to be watching it too, and you're going to tear it apart.

[00:46:17] Scott Moran: Okay.

[00:46:23] Scott Moran: knew it was something. Yeah. Next time, Blue Crush. Yeah. With Michelle Rodriguez. And Kate Bosworth. You went

[00:46:31] Frank Roll: Yeah.

[00:46:34] Frank Roll: No. It's Hell House LLC. A horror movie that Scott hasn't seen? Let's go found footage because he's not where he's not where I'm at So I'm gonna force you to watch one because I have the opportunity to and because it does anyone that's

[00:46:53] Scott Moran: Like you you have to do it

[00:47:00] Scott Moran: both do in one episode Where we talked about? No,

[00:47:12] Frank Roll: Also

[00:47:21] Frank Roll: movie. Well, so for the found footage, people, alien abduction, it freaked me out a little bit and I've seen a lot of those.

[00:47:47] Scott Moran: do it. All right. I'm down. I do need to see something truly

[00:47:52] Frank Roll: I don't want to overhype it, but hopefully it freaks you out. I'm talking like

[00:48:02] Frank Roll: When I, you knew it was coming because you'd seen it multiple times. Yeah, yeah. And you always knew it was coming. Oh, it always

[00:48:08] Scott Moran: When I was a kid. It just

[00:48:11] Scott Moran: you were like, I would get real panicked when he would get in the truck every time. And I knew that he was just going to be like,

[00:48:30] Frank Roll: That was a good one wasn't it?