The Fellowship Of The Reel reviews: ALIENS

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Snyder's Genres:

MONSTER IN THE HOUSE - MONSTER, HOUSES, SIN

GOLDEN FLEECE - ROAD, TEAM, PRIZE

OUT OF THE BOTTLE - A WISH, A SPELL, A LESSON

DUDE WITH A PROBLEM - AN INNOCENT HERO, A SUDDEN EVENT, A TEST OF SURVIVAL

RITE OF PASSAGE - A LIFE PROBLEM, THE WRONG WAY TO FIX IT, THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM

BUDDY LOVE - AN INCOMPLETE HERO, A COUNTERPART NEEDED TO MAKE THEIR LIFE WHOLE, A COMPLICATION THAT IS KEEPING THEM APART EVEN THOUGH THAT FORCE IS BINDING THEM TOGETHER

WHYDUNNIT? - A DETECTIVE, A SECRET, A DARK TURN

FOOL TRIUMPHANT - A FOOL, AN ESTABLISHMENT, A TRANSMUTATION

INSTITUTIONALIZED - A GROUP, A CHOICE, A SACRIFICE (JOIN, BURN IT DOWN, COMMIT SUICIDE)

SUPERHERO - A POWER, A NEMESIS, A CURSE

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THEME STATED

SETUP

CATALYST

DEBATE

BREAK INTO TWO

B STORY

FUN AND GAMES

MIDPOINT (FALSE VICTORY OR DEFEAT BUT OPPOSITE OF THE ALL IS LOST)

BAD GUYS CLOSE IN

ALL IS LOST (OPPOSITE OF THE MIDPOINT, FALSE VICTORY OR DEFEAT)

DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL

BREAK INTO THREE

gathering the team

executing the plan

high tower surprise

dig deep down

execution of the new plan

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are you recording this studying a movie in the mechanical level

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i think can really bring some revelation [Music] i believe that no one sets up to make a

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bad movie with the exception of on paper this should work

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i just don't like it that's your own fault if you haven't seen it

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way over budget start cutting scenes even the actors don't know what that

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movie is about [ __ ] i i wish i wrote that

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which i love the title with that movie's trash well it's oatmeal man it's good for you

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this time we are going to be reviewing aliens with an s

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not alien we uh we appreciate the title of that sequel

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some more than others maybe uh well it's plural right there's more than one yeah there is more than one

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alien yes i mean they could have called it a [ __ ] ton of aliens yeah

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anyway yeah so as we were doing this we had to confirm that we were in fact talking about the sequel and not

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the first one it's because i had no clue i had no clue there was an alien and

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aliens well like for aliens three they call it aliens three right just phoned it in at

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that point yeah well yeah i mean like even more aliens or something it's alien three oh it's also it is single with a

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three yeah oh yeah i didn't catch that good oh good catch james you said aliens three is that what you said i did yes

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yeah no it's alien threat alien three alien resurrection because it's back to just one yeah

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yeah uh and for some reason this has nothing to do with the movies aliens uh

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but the the the tagline for this one okay so for the tagline for alien is i guess in

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space no one can hear you scream right i as i was doing the look up for this the tagline i guess one

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of the taglines is uh this time it's war well i thought you were going to say uh

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no one in uh in space no one can hear your screams but yeah well yeah well that makes sense too so this time this

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war uh and for some reason that made me think of like jaws 3d

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or maybe it was jaws four might have been jaws four tag line for charles four which should not exist this

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time it's personal right so aliens better tagline but for some

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reason i went right to jaws i'm like you know they made it on the same level yeah they made four of those uh this time

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it's personal jaws five this time it's for money you're right and and and someone had pointed out

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okay because it's jaws of revenge i think is four okay draws 3d and then jaws the revenge

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i think is four that's the one where the shark is it is yeah he's tracking them right yes yeah

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it's personal and then someone that pointed out in discussion well you know that shark died in each of the movies so

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which shark is it personal to like is this is this the great grandson of the first one because

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uh how can it be personal if the shark has died it's it's the brother that you never noticed brothers

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all in the family right yeah um yeah no i mean i i hear yesterday

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and i don't know maybe i'm i guess we'll find out as we go through this maybe i'm looking at aliens with a

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certain level of blinders because i i love this movie oh yeah um so the i see

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i hear what you're saying about the tagline being very similar because yeah this time his personal jaws about a shark that didn't experience any of the

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previous three films is ridiculous but this time it's war like i think that

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speaks to and we'll get into it i guess but the first one the first alien is movie is not a

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an action movie it's there's no military right it's they're all on a ship you can you know this has guns and it's the oh

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no no colonial marine colonial marines yeah colonial marines space marines right so i think that's what it

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kind of no i i i definitely think this is superior to jaws four yeah but as a tagline i think this table leg is

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superior to jaws four so yeah but jaws four table leg takes that personally i mean

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yeah well it should be a compliment yeah so this was james pig right yeah but uh

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he i'm gonna go ahead and read as a side note and and we probably need to have someone

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counting this we need a fifth person just counting this because sherry mentioned to me like apparently we say a lot okay we'll get

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to that later like we'll talk about a point that we definitely mean to talk about later but we don't always get well

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no i hope we do i think we do because we have you know our notes or whatever but sherry pointed out to me that we'll

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stray into an area and one of us will invariably say well we'll talk about that in a few minutes or later or whatever so hopefully we do well maybe

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adding a fifth person we can get to that later yeah we'll get to that later right there you go

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okay so uh yeah so this is the synopsis that i got off imdb and then there's

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my note this time it's warhawking it's the jaws for the revenge this time it's personal but by no means do i compare

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these movies as as similar uh but we'll get to that later as we get in our notes or whatever

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jot that one down they are both monster and house though yes well yes and there's a whole section about that so

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uh so this is the synopsis i got off off imdb and i i these things are

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not typically well written i don't i don't i i read these and then i was like okay i guess that's the movie anyway

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this is aliens 57 years after surviving an apo apocalyptic attack aboard her space vessel by

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merciless space creatures officer ripley awakens from hypersleep and tries to warn anyone who will listen about the

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predators and then the tagline of course this time it's war i mean that's i guess essentially it um

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yeah i don't like it yeah these these synopsis you know

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on imdb there are other synopsis that people actually write like fans and stuff and sometimes they're better but

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i don't know if that's the official one it's the one that is at the top of imdb as far as their i've got i've got this one if you want

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me to read it yeah yeah i've got yeah do it i've got uh 57 years after ellen

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ripley had a close encounter with the reptilian alien creature from the first movie she has called back this time to

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help a group of highly trained colonial marines fight off against a sinister extraterrestrials

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but this time the aliens have taken over a space colony on the moon lv-426 when the colonial marines are

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called upon to search the deserted space colony they later find out that they are up against more than what they bargained

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for using specially modified machine guns and enough firepower it's either fight or die as the space marines battle

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against the aliens as the marines do their best to defend themselves ripley must attempt to

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protect a young girl who is the sole survivor of the nearly wiped out space colony

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yeah yeah that's better too long but that's better that's that's more of a synopsis than a uh

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i didn't like the apocalyptic yeah i i i don't remember anything it's something there's a nuclear stuff going on yeah

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it's not the end of the world right i mean it i guess it could be but not that the alien wasn't you know bad

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news on the ship but yeah i guess apocalyptic is not the one yeah i didn't i wouldn't find that word they were too

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busy watching the good movie than watching or writing synopsis sure yeah no and uh if you're gonna put your

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effort into something let it be the movie right sorry all right so that's that's the movie we're reviewing aliens and that's the

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synopsis uh anything else before we move into our next section

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no so money critics fans this is uh how the movie was received by critics how it

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did at the box office and how it has been received by the fans and i was actually kind of amazed by this

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because this movie has is almost universally accepted and loved

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and not just by a little bit right so tomato meter using their their scale

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97 fresh and 94 on the fans which means 97

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of the critics gave it three and a half stars or more and 94 of the fans

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gave it three and a half stars or more so this movie and that apparently that has never gone down because years people

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review this and and and it is and it is 97 and 94. that is almost the perfect movie

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as far as critics and fans which i mean i love this movie but that's that's amazing when was it released

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: 1986

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like cgi has come a long way there were some spaceship scenes that you know you could

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tell we're a little dated sure i thought the spaceships when they're in space look still really good but like when they're entering the atmosphere they

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looked a little rough but also i guess i looked up the you probably have this or james may have it um looked it up after

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the fact but the budget it's only 18 million if i remember right yes yeah that's that's not a lot no no this uh

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what they accomplished on train for 18 million is very very impressive well i was reading a thing about the budget

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producers took a look at the the dailies i guessed and were like well that's where all our money's going is special

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effects and when it when they actually went to the set and looked they were all scale

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models they thought they were gigantic sets the producers did but they were scale nice so james cameron was like you

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know yes it's working it's looking great oh that's cool yeah nice yeah cause i remember when i first saw this like i

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said it scared the the crap out of me and i wasn't thinking about the effects i was i was on board and i was on board

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this time but you i guess we've gotten used to so much now well with tvs you got to remember this

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was 85.86 no blu-ray no nothing yeah no blu-ray no 4k ultra everything of that

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generation looks a little weird like if you watch independence day on t it looks

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really really special affected up well everything was uh practical effects right like it was because i mean that

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that ship was probably a miniature against a green screen yeah i mean absolutely nowadays it'd be

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all cgi cgi yeah yeah so the the budget as a as james said was 18 18 and a half million and

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this movie killed it man i mean so domestic 85 million international uh 45 million which i

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guess nowadays that probably almost be reversed but worldwide 131 million dollars off a 16 18 million dollar

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investment yeah they no wonder there's five of these right i mean it's that's that's i was so i'm blown away on

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all aspects of it i couldn't believe the the fans and the critics scores and then you know 18 million dollars and you make

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131 million and that's with seven years between sequels the first one was 79.

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yeah okay yeah i was wondering i couldn't remember when i told cherry it was late 70s but yeah so i mean that's a big gap especially if you consider like

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the way they pump out sequels now it's a huge gap and then i read in the trivia

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or whatever uh cameron had such a hard time making this movie with the crew

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because the crew was loyal to ridley scott so it was ridley scott right yep for alien they didn't want james cameron

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messing with the alien view you know the the grandiosity of what alien was so they gave him

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the hardest time making this movie yeah also they shot overseas right in you

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know england or wherever so they're you know tee time's a big deal so they would take breaks for tea time

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and james cameron's like what the [ __ ] is this and like he would get pissed and yeah lose his mind of course that builds

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rapport with the crew yeah yeah after they spent all day setting up a shop yeah you know bill packs at bill pecks

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and sitting there you know dangling in the air and they're like tea time time to go break yeah and he's what what yeah so

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they yeah yeah there's a yeah i've read about this some and then

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there's uh on netflix i want to say there's uh the movies that made us as a like a documentary it covers a lot of different movies

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aliens is one of the ones that yeah it covers or movies that made us or how did this get made or maybe mixing movies that made us

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okay but it's very much a how did this get made type story on all of these like they're trying to you know so they deep

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dive into that and explain you know how they had to have a come to jesus meeting and and all this stuff crazy yeah play the

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crew terminator just so they could see that he knew what he knows what he's doing yeah he's not

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really scott but he knows what he's doing yeah yeah and only half the crew showed up to see it but once they did see it they were like oh okay we see

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where he's going with them and they were on board yeah because terminator come out two years prior in 84.

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yeah yeah cause before that cameron hadn't he wasn't a known entity yeah young i think piranha 3d or some [ __ ] or i don't

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know what it was like something prone to two maybe i think it's two perona two the respawning or i don't know what it's

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called but anyhow he hadn't done a lot but so this is cameron on the rise yeah

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terminator then aliens yeah he he got a heck of a steamroll going with those two movies he did and

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then years later he's giving us avatard so yeah those are one yeah yeah yeah avatar

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[ __ ] floats man you know yeah okay yeah we won't be reviewing

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that anytime soon i guess review whatever movie you want bill

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yeah just know it's a pass from me going into it already all right you talking about avatar yeah

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yeah i called it evaturd so i have not seen it you're not missing anything i prefer not

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to say well i mean sci-fi too just watch dances with wolves yeah or pocahontas or last samurai they're

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all the same story and those are all superior to avatar they're supposed to be five avatar

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h oh my god all the way up in: 2028

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i'm very curious to see beautiful yeah but i think that's part of the problem too like and we're not reviewing avatars

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we're reviewing aliens but phil and i talked about this when we saw it like i think it's

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it's too much oh hey look at the shiny pretty stuff oh yeah beautiful movie about the story you know but the story's

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just again we just talked about other movies that have done it better like and cameron's very much capable i guess

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that's probably why i hate on it so much cameron's a very gifted storyteller and filmmaker so it bugs me that this is you

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know what he cranked out you know i mean i like titanic better than avatar i would i i think i look at people like james cameron and

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george lucas and even in my kind of background metallica they are the ones that are pushing the

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technology forward so like they're so far ahead of the game they're changing

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the way it's done so you know not everything's gonna be great but

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the the technology that they're using and the funding that's gonna be lasting for generations

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so george lucas you know when sure when episode one two and three came out it was ah the story's okay whatever but he

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was the first guy to shoot most everything in front of a green screen all on computers they were putting lots and lots and lots of money yeah and this

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was kind of the being taking it back to aliens this was his second step into big directing and he just crushed it with

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terminator crushed it with this and he just went on and on and on so that's how i look at him is with george lucas all

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those people yeah i don't know i guess i want my cake and when i eat it too i want push boundaries and i want a good story because it's been done star wars

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aliens terminator and then later like uh like stores meaning the original sorry yeah you they basically the other people

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take the ball and run with it sure james filoni with the star wars universe you know take it and run

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because not everybody can write and sure direct and

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do all that i just uh like i i appreciate all those special effects but it's almost like hey we got all these cool new toys let's go find a

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story rather than hey we got this story and you know that special effect and that special effect would really

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help this story you know so it's i think story should be first and then you find the effects to to to build it up not

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like oh we got this cool new toy we need something to do with it yeah and you know that's why i kind of put them

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in rarified air with each other is those are the people that kind of bridge that gap yeah there's not too

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many people that can bridge that gap but those three guys are at least trying and their names still out there sure they're

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still doing it they'll create these they'll create the technology to fulfill a need like i i can't think of a

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specific example but i'm sure like an avatar they wanted to film something and the technology to do it wasn't there or

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the device to do it wasn't there and so they invent it and then it becomes sure yeah all the all the motion capture

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stuff yeah because those characters are pretty much completely digital but the actors are there doing the performance

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like scott like skywalker sound okay so this is lucas's to me that's the biggest contribution

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to movies star wars episode four yes everything else uh he's not a good director he's

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not a good writer but he he developed technology yes i said that

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he he developed about empire strikes back ladies and gentlemen yeah but he didn't write that right he didn't write

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that uh what's his name wrote that uh kasdan casted yes

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okay and wanted a different ending and lucas was like no no no we can't sell toys in mcdonald's happy meals if you kill off

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you know whatever which they wanted luke and this riding off and anyway

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uh but i'll get to that later in another last and i'm sure that when people get to this episode they'll

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be like star wars like you know anyway bye

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he stands alone on that you're sure but lucas developed skywalker sound and

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lucas arts special effects and you know there's always the star wars star trek camp but you watch a star trek

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movie and they're using lucas skywalker sound everybody's using them right absolutely and so they ilm yep yeah

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industrial he had to create an empire why he was making these short movies yeah a lot of rebellion fighting an empire yep yes

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anyway what are we reviewing again oh yeah i did have a question before we moved on because

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the both the the synopsis that james read in the and the blurb that i read mentioned this 57 years thing and

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obviously there's three four and five coming along right so ripley went on this mission

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you know this uh they're probably the first one yeah yeah she's her job is to

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as a miner a harvester or what they they the cargo basically right you know but she was a the warrant officer or

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whatever right yeah yeah but but she works for a company like yeah the mission of the ship is to go to these planets and harvest or something like

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you know they have cargo right yeah yes okay so she's so did she ever get home

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no no that's what i'm thinking because she wakes up 57 years okay blah blah blah

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and like number three because because the first as soon as michael bean came on sherry was very concerned he doesn't

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die does he he does michael bean doesn't die as as any viewer should be for the first time it's [ __ ] michael but she

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was only half paying attention and then she saw michael bean she was like she put down her phones like oh michael beam nice

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nice all of a sudden she was almost i have that under my plus michael b michael bean yeah i would i'll

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go and say i think he's one of my yeah he's one of my man crushers for sure no i'd love it and i'm sure it's terminator i guess and in aliens but yeah sure love

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michael bean as well yep but tombstone tombstone yes yes johnny ringo yes of course that goes without saying

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yeah no he's awesome but we but i don't want to get into aliens alien three yeah she never gets home yeah but like so

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yeah i mean she that's a bummer man yeah and and i i thought of this and i want

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to i didn't write it down and i was hoping i would remember it like okay so we'll get into this when we get into the

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story but she she wakes up 57 years later right and and does she has no family or anything

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right like the only people she's looking up are the crew well if you watch the and we were we decided

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beforehand specifically watch the theatrical version correct but if you watch the special edition yeah it references that and you find out that

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her daughter has died like she's lived her life if i remember correctly she had a daughter

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and then yeah so that's part of the whole heartache of the 57 years is yeah you know i've missed my daughter's

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entire life now yeah i never never got back home and missed my daughter's entire life that's that's the emotional

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thread that goes on to the little girl correct later a new movie yes yes i actually have a note about that about

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their opening and closing images but it doesn't right but without the without the the missing

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information about the daughter yeah yeah okay yeah cause cause we watched i was to watch it on blu-ray but it was so easy to just pull it up on

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streaming that we just did that and well i don't have hulu so i watched my blu-ray yeah we should have watched the blu-ray

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i don't think it matters okay so that's aliens it did well people love it it's a classic man it is not

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everybody loves it right sherry well she's part of the three percent then because

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well the six percent six percent that uh it's probably like you said you

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were talking about jaws it's probably that whole there's a monster i am

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i'm ready for it to be over well several times during the movie as the aliens are attacking and they're fighting sherry

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was like i'm out i'm out is it when is this over she was like it's too much it's too much i'm out okay the end the

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end good but michael bean was there to save you and protect you yes okay yeah

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but i can remember you know talk about fans you know i guess we're still in that section but i can remember like there are two movies

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that just freaked my [ __ ] right out one was jaws that i saw when i was like 10 years old

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and then this one okay which i saw several you know obviously i was you know

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20s maybe or whatever but i remember watching this and thinking man this is some being like on edge and into it you know

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yeah no there's um for sure i had the same they don't obviously don't affect me that way anymore but yeah watching this

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movie there were several scenes that had come up that i remember being freaked out about as a child yeah

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when the newt's in the water once he's been separated from ripley and uh hicks and they're looking for and the alien

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rises up out of the water behind her that scared the [ __ ] out of me when i was a kid and then bishop getting impaled by the yeah sure

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by the queen's uh tail and then ripped in half that jacked me up as a kid

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something happened to his prototype like the in alien he get then you get well it's not him

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i know but it's the android previous version of him or whatever he gets also torn apart yeah i don't think he's torn

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he gets destroyed or and beat up but it's because he goes berserk and tries to kill them and they like bash his head

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off or something oh yeah yeah yeah but just the i think what makes it extra creepy to me is the

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the white blood yeah that squirts out it just makes it even you know adds his whole other like if it was regular

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normal colored blood it was all about it yeah i don't think it would bother me as much it's the fact that it's the white

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it's like milk stuff coming a little twisted chris

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yeah okay that's better than the acid that comes out of the yeah the acid blood that's great like whoever came up

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with that it's brilliant i know where we haven't gotten to the story part of it but when ripley at the beginning is explaining

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what what's going on they don't believe her she's he's like wait a minute talk about the corporate execs yeah the corporate execs are like you think this

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thing has acid for blood we don't believe you right so this is story mechanics

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the breakdown of basically the whole movie starting out with the type of genre and again

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we sort of follow uh just as a simple way to get into a story we chris and i especially

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appreciate uh blake snyder's save the cat series which is a very fast way to

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get into a story to break it down sort of crack a story if you're trying to analyze one and especially if you're trying to write one

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and he has come up with several genres we're not going to get into what all those genres are now you can learn them

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as you go as we review different movies but i think without disagreement i think chris would

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agree this is certainly a monster in the house snyder uses alien the first one as a

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prime example of the monster in the house genre which requires

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all these genres require three basic elements obviously a monster in the house uh requires a monster in this case it's

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the alien a house which is any arena or area that they're fighting the

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monster here it is primarily planet lv 426 correct and then a sin

24:55

so an a monster a house and a sin typically are involved in monster in the

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house movies monster movies i think and typically well there's at least one other movie

25:05

that uses this but a sin i think and chris can speak to this i'm picking greed or

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yeah greed basically the love of money the the opportunity that maybe these aliens present

25:16

for some financial gain especially on the part of burke sure yeah as i say he he's the embodiment of what the the

25:21

overall company wants the weyland yutani yeah they want yeah it's all about greed and money what what how can they financially

25:29

gain from these creatures yeah yeah yeah i think that's a theme greed is a theme throughout the alien franchise sure

25:35

yep no running yeah for sure i had forgotten ripley mentions when she's explaining in the boardroom

25:42

that they they set down on because when the the planet they set down on the first one is lv426 yeah correct and

25:50

the company ordered them to go down there and retrieve these things in the first one no there was a beacon

25:56

that they there was a stress distress beacon that they were responding to i thought in the first one yeah that seems

26:01

familiar but i thought i may have ordered them to go check it out i guess but it was yeah because i

26:08

thought she had some line and and i didn't write it down but i i thought she had some line where the company ordered i i don't know

26:14

if the company was definitely behind it in the first one because ash the original android was programmed to

26:20

to um to keep it and bring it back right i mean yeah okay right remember james don't remember okay

26:27

we'll have to we'll have to do a check i'll put it in the show notes because i want to say that's why he starts going yeah stuff and whether so much at odds

26:34

because she is as the warrant officer won't let kane back on the ship with the parasite on his face because that's

26:40

against protocol yeah and ash overrides her and opens it up and the whole reason he does that is because he needs that

26:47

that uh what's you know the embryo he knows what's going on he knows what's inside of it i i'll put it in the show

26:52

notes after we record to be sure but i think she says something like uh the company ordered us

26:58

to go down and get these things or whatever which in retrospect she'd learned i guess maybe she didn't know it before i

27:03

don't know because even in the first one she seems to be referencing this idea that the company which means they knew about them or yeah

27:10

but it's 57 years later these are different corporate execs and they're like yeah we don't know what's going on we don't believe you acid blood like

27:15

james said a second ago this lady's nuts you've been in hypersleep way too long lady so the in the in in between the first

27:22

movie and the second movie there's a 57-year difference so she leaves obviously she's on her

27:28

escape pod does the company send a community what do they call that

27:34

calling us to the same place yes and now she gets back she's sitting in front of him they're like hey we sent

27:40

colonists to this yeah but they're 20 60 families been there 20 years never had a problem you're full of [ __ ] yep yeah

27:45

that's what they tell her okay so they want her to go back and and and we learned later that burke

27:52

i guess they knew about the aliens because burke sent him down there didn't tell him and that's one of her beefs with burke

27:58

you know blood on your hands kind of thing and again a bad call ripley yeah yeah yeah yeah he had called people died yeah

28:05

right yeah no he anyway all right so we're moving into mechanics and so

28:12

one of the first beats obviously is the setup is the opening image i tend to look at the opening image as a

28:17

sequence but chris in previous episodes does make a good point the opening image

28:23

is a single image i think clearly that is yeah it's singular it's

28:28

not images yeah yeah images difference between alien and aliens right all right sorry no no that's

28:34

so so i i this time i didn't look at the sequencer and all this what because that's that's setup or whatever but so

28:41

obviously the opening image is asleep in cryo right she's you know yeah it's funny so i think it's

28:48

actually hyper sleep in my notes i wrote cryo too but yeah cryo's like freezing it's not cryo it's hyper yeah no i i

28:53

think it's a default i know i said the same thing that i wanted to correct myself right yeah yeah deep sleep or

28:58

whatever yeah steep sleep now we talked about blake snyder and his books are called save the cat and here she has literally

29:04

saved the cat yes typically a save the cat is something a bad guy will do like if you want the snider will say if

29:11

you want your bad guy to have sympathy with the audience have him do something like save the cat i think he actually

29:17

references al pacino in some movie being a bad guy but coming out and seeing a cat stuck in a tree and

29:23

actually helping it down well all of a sudden this guy's a bad guy but hey he helps cats he can't be all bad he you

29:29

know so now the audience is on board yeah it helps with your character as an anti-hero as well like if he's a little rough on the edges and particularly if

29:36

he's not like if it say it's your protagonist but he's not likable have him save a cat yeah save the caterpillar oh okay or whatever so bad

29:43

yeah yeah uh so here she has literally i don't think that because ripley certainly maybe would fit into that

29:49

category of anti-hero yeah i mean she's she's certainly not somebody you bring home to mom and not

29:54

that she's a loose woman but she's she's a tough tough and foul-mouthed and she's a tough space yeah yeah but she gets tougher in

30:02

this one she didn't know what i'm saying but so i don't know if they had her well whether they wanted her to save the

30:08

cat or not nobody wants to see uh because they they brought that cat into the movie and once you do that

30:13

the audience in the back of their mind is gonna be like hey what's gonna happen to the cat sure and if you show ripley leaving without the cat

30:21

people would be like you left the cat they wouldn't have four more sequels right right so i mean and and i don't

30:27

know so much anymore but there used to be rules where you don't kill kids you don't kill animals right you know you

30:33

instantly want to have and that that works for me it pulls me right out uh aka john wick number one uh you know uh

30:41

i love john wick but when i first saw that i'm like okay well i can't watch this again you know almost

30:47

i hear you yeah he does that seems terrible and i i've have had two beagles in my life and so

30:53

that dog being a beagle i think makes it even even worse um you know you see the the blood trail and stuff but i guess i

30:59

have a different very different reaction um it makes me mad it makes me so like i'm on board yeah that's my point i guess

31:06

i'm 100 on board with him every mil all million bullets he fires into all those sons of [ __ ] i'm right there with

31:13

absolutely no it actually hit him again john well even like in the sequel whatever you had to kill his dog you

31:18

know whatever uh yeah they make it a running a running gag which is good like i'm up for john what four five six

31:25

have as many of those they want to make i'm on board absolutely uh absolutely this time

31:30

killing his dog yeah this time i don't think they're gonna kill this dog this dog is muscles with a collar

31:36

right oh yeah right yeah he does get a new one yeah anyway so yeah so i think uh

31:42

it is intentional because once you bring that cat in that cat has to live and uh so that's she's got the cat which i

31:49

think it's funny they even sorry interrupted you but they she even has a line later on when she when she were

31:55

jumping ahead but once she commits to her breaking it into two and commits to going on this mission she tells of the

32:01

cat and you you little [ __ ] you're staying here yeah right tell the audience don't worry yeah it's gonna be fine right right which you know i mean

32:09

yeah absolutely we got away with it once him running around and being in jeopardy he's not going to happen this time right

32:16

okay opening image in there yes that was i mean that that's so that that image carried

32:21

and they should imagine that that image carries a lot of baggage but you know i mean it's

32:27

it's not just her waking up which could have been a boring scene or whatever yeah so i think we all agree on the

32:33

opening image the setup and we could get into this but i thought i don't want to say some of these beats

32:38

were blurry but some were and i don't know what the director's cut looked like or whatever because you already

32:44

mentioned earlier that there was this whole back story with her family and because that was one of my first questions but

32:50

we're given the setup ripley has been adrift for 57 years now she is burke paul ryzer will say this

32:58

that she was rescued almost by chance a million shot to one like a salvage crew founder

33:03

yeah yeah uh which is basically like you know finding a needle and a haystack

33:08

in open space right right i don't i didn't balk at it i didn't think it was a problem but any time you interject

33:16

absolute uh coincidence into a movie i think it's dangerous right so

33:21

we needed her to be found and so they found her i don't have a big problem with it yeah i think the 57 years helps

33:28

knock out any can mitigate any concerns or problems with it whatever they just found her way i found her after 57 years

33:34

it could have been 157 years right yeah so what was the could she not set a course for her

33:42

well she had proximity alert on oh yeah it was it was an escape pod too i don't know how much control she had in

33:48

that that bad boy that's what wakes her up it's either it's like you're just like jumping off a

33:53

ship in a life raft yeah either killed by the alien or just even the proximately didn't know didn't

33:58

wake her up the the crew comes in and finds her they they car they cut open the door and they come in the room and

34:05

she's alive or whatever yeah yes okay yeah that's true yeah the proximately didn't wake her up they

34:10

they came in and found her yeah the controls on the autopilot on the ship you know allowed you know her to i guess

34:15

you know not be crash into this other salvage yeah yeah she was just adrift floating in space

34:21

that's still better than being eaten by the egg oh yeah yeah she blew up the ship to get rid of the alien right

34:26

or the ship that's okay yes i saw it years ago i don't remember it so she blew

34:32

up the ship and everything i think she sets the the to blow the ship up sets it

34:37

on like self-destruct yeah and then well they mentioned that right yeah right yeah 42 million dollar ship or whatever

34:43

it is yeah she sets the blow up to kill the ship and the alien because all the crew's dead at that point and then her

34:48

plan was to escape in the escape pod but the alien got on board the escape pod with her yeah so i think she blasted it

34:54

she ends up putting the spacesuit on blasted out of the airlock seals the pod back of him so now yeah alien's dead and

34:59

the ship's gone and okay so yeah she blew the ship up and didn't have to all right

35:04

yeah i didn't watch the first one been a while since i've seen it i may have missed some of that but they're messed some of that up but no no that sounds

35:11

right so she uh so she is not held as credible as to her account of events like they

35:16

say they believe some of the things she said some of the things you say are corroborated by the ship's law others

35:23

lv426 the alien planet or the planet that the aliens have landed on uh has been colonized but contact has

35:30

been lost so this is what i have for the setup this sort of sets up what's going on

35:35

losing contact is part of your setup as well um being told

35:40

yeah i guess so i guess so because for the catalyst so if that's if that's th that's the situation that were presented

35:47

burke i have i have a as the catalyst burke a company man makes promises as to motive for needing her and the

35:54

nature of the mission need her to advise a special marine task force and she refuses and she's yeah she so this so

36:01

the call comes to her we need you to go with these marines to the alien moon planet

36:07

uh as an advisor because you're the only one that knows how to do this and she's like not having any of it yeah

36:13

um yeah so i didn't i have them losing contact as part of the the catalyst because like the whole reason they go to

36:19

her and say hey we need you because like yeah they weren't sending marines and do anything before like literally like the scene before the the corporate execs

36:26

like we've had so we've got 60 families of colonists on there no problems for 20 years and then they lose contact now

36:32

well wait a minute we got maybe there's something to this crazy woman's story yeah i might as that's what they present to her right yeah i guess i didn't yeah

36:40

i wasn't tracking as far as okay they've been there 20 i guess i wasn't tracking as to when they lost contact yeah yeah

36:45

okay that makes more sense if they just lost contact and are now yeah cause they don't show up but burke also has a line in the

36:51

scene where he's trying to convince her he has a line about i hear you're working uh working on the the doc yeah i

36:57

mean i know that's the only thing you could get but i could give you your old job back so like she's moved on as well and just trying to yeah she's going with

37:03

her life and and she's got some menial job it sounds like and then the you know i mean so i guess some time it's unclear

37:09

but some time has passed between meetings she didn't get a job and it's working yeah yeah okay all right

37:14

yeah yeah all right now she refuses and and

37:19

so i guess there's a double bump here well there's a part of setup i feel like we missed too her reoccurring nightmares is

37:26

part of her ordinary world now too um right yeah she has a nightmare has a very visual very cool nightmare with it

37:33

where you know it comes out of her stomach or whatever right at the beginning in the cat because as the audience you're like oh [ __ ] she was

37:39

impregnated from the first one how did that happen you know like yeah really cool still did you i think sherry wasn't

37:44

aware that she was it was fake yeah that she was dreaming right yeah yeah now she has that dream before bert

37:50

comes to her with the proposal the first dream yeah because when we first see her wake up we're actually in the dream in

37:56

her dream not realizing it i don't think the way they present it it's like you were just saying with sherry the way you

38:01

they presented the camera presented it is this is really happening and you see it you know yeah it starts up out of her

38:07

stomach and then she wakes up and you're like oh [ __ ] it was a dream yeah i do have she is plagued by memories and nightmares of experiences under set up

38:13

so yes and they show her waking up in tears right before well sorry we're getting to it but yeah she's having

38:19

those dreams work yes part of herself no as part of her ordinary world or whatever she this is her life now yeah

38:24

then bert comes to her and so she refuses but then has another nightmare correct this brings her to

38:30

cheers yep yes so i i she refuses so she needs something else to set her

38:37

yeah her concern the the colonists aren't not enough to get her to accept the mission so she needs another kick in

38:43

the ass which is a double bump has another which i thought

38:48

maybe a little weak she wakes up from the nightmare and says okay uh i would have liked to have and we're

38:54

not this is a danger danger danger we start rewriting the movie but i would have liked to have seen

38:59

some kind of uh more thoughtful urging of her somehow

39:04

that this was what she needs to do rather than obviously she's trying to

39:10

i felt like she needed to go she needed to go kill these aliens to put to rest her own demons right

39:17

uh she's going to continue having these nightmares until she faces her fears and goes and does the thing

39:23

but that's what the movie's about phil yeah but that's never like she wakes up has a nightmare i disagree and i think

39:29

the way they did it was so she wakes up has the nightmare right and that's part of ordinary world and yeah he's already come to her and i think i don't think

39:35

it's double bump i just think because part of the it's kind of it's not necessarily blake snyder's but there's um hero's journey

39:41

talks about refusal of the call yes right so i think that's all black standard has what's called a debate

39:46

scene and it's 12 he has it as 12 pages from page 12 to 24 sure or minute 12 to 24 minutes into your movie so that's to

39:53

me plenty of room for a back and forth should i do this should i not do this yes [ __ ] no i'm not gonna do this to all right now i'm gonna do it so i don't

39:59

think it's necessarily a double bump um you think it's a debate i think it's a debate and then she has the nightmares

40:04

and then everything you just said she calls burke and says hey you're going out there to destroy them right yeah not

40:10

to study not to bring it back right so to slay her demons or whatever encounter they're like she's not interested in

40:16

helping the company do any no no nefarious stuff or study but if we're going out there to kill them i'm literally going out there to slay my

40:22

demons and now i've got some marines in my back corner yeah i guess i'm down okay yes and i guess i would have

40:29

i think they lost some real estate there i think it would have been a good character development to see her

40:34

okay so if you're having these troubles yeah have a sequence

40:40

uh where she's talking to a company counselor or something and and they're talking about these things and

40:45

then so that because you know the outward call of killing the aliens will calm the inner call of her turmoil right

40:52

you want to link those two things her inner struggle versus the outward call right the outward call

40:58

is going to help her calm her inner struggles john mcclane kills the terrorists but he gets back with his wife which is the real story right so

41:04

yeah but there's no scene in die hard where he's like hey man you know if you someone tells him like power something tells him you know john if you kill

41:10

these terrorists that'll help you get back with your wife no no but but but he comes to that conclusion in the bathroom especially

41:15

the best you know the best thing that ever happened to a bum like me right right no and i think she comes to that conclusion too that hey by facing my

41:21

getting back on this horse and going to this planet right helps her she just set out to i've got

41:27

marines they're going to go help me wipe all these aliens i don't think she plans on picking up a gun and you are absolutely correct but that

41:34

that's never really stated i don't know it works for me because yeah again maybe i got my blinders you're filling in the blanks

41:40

out of the love of this movie and i love this movie but we're filling in blanks at that point sherry james or who's

41:47

filling in blanks you know i didn't realize there was a gaping hole

41:53

until you said that yeah what is her motivation we're no longer friends

41:58

but when when you expressed your opinion on it i totally agree so i'll take it back

42:04

my opinion is his opinion but i don't think it's there i don't think it's expressly uh

42:10

i think he's 100 right yeah it's it's not blatantly said in the script and i kind of like that i don't like them

42:17

feeding you i don't like writers feeding you all the little bits of but even but

42:22

shut the hell up that's just me you should have seen it look i just got ah

42:27

eat [ __ ] mother okay but even in even in die hard you

42:32

have this tension with mclean and his wife right i mean and then in the limo you you know uh

42:38

you she thought you thought you would come crawling back so why bother to pack right i mean anyway uh all poop in the

42:45

pool worked in not fault in the movie i just think it should have been very weak to you it was weak it was it could have

42:51

been stronger but but again like yeah i don't know i guess it didn't yeah

42:56

it didn't problem with it i'm saying this movie's perfect by any means i'm just yeah that one that didn't bother me four percent of

43:02

the people do right so i guess i liked i thought that nightmare was and we don't want to harp on this all day but

43:08

showing the nightmare and like even so like everyone like sherry for the first time you've seen it yeah you know

43:14

especially if you've seen the first one like you you believe that you're like oh like you're terrified oh [ __ ] this is you know i mean the having the thing the

43:20

alien bust out of your sure like that's still a scene that from the original that tears people up

43:26

that is one of the scariest things in cinema like those are like i feel like that does it showing the nightmare and

43:31

revealing it in a way that where we didn't know it was a nightmare and then you know you don't need to show that over and over right so

43:38

just having her wake up and the you know i think sigourney weaver sells it bringing brought to tears right over

43:44

this even though you're safe now your cat's safe you're like well if she doesn't do something

43:50

this is gonna be her life yes being a damn dock worker is going to solve that problem right and you're right it's

43:55

never stated no i know but but to your point ripley is

44:02

ripley won't take any [ __ ] right and these aliens are giving her [ __ ] right in her nightmares and and she's

44:09

like because it's it harkens back harkins further on the movie in the in the

44:14

lifter suit one of the you know this line is like one of those famous lines from the movie get away from her you

44:19

[ __ ] right you know yeah uh that's ripley you know so to your point and i'm willing to concede

44:25

that when she wakes up from that nightmare she's saying get away from me you you know

44:31

out of my life and the only way to do that i'm gonna go and we're gonna wipe these things out yes right yeah okay man you

44:37

suck no i'm conceding because what just ran through my head was it would be cool to have a scene of her doing the in the loader

44:44

doing their dock work thing yeah and somehow something happens at work that'll cause her to have a panic attack right and recall the memories so now she

44:50

can't even work like that would help for your point nothing's working but now we're rewriting the movie but anyhow okay

44:56

anyway all right breaking the two she calls burke and

45:01

and and burke assures her uh yeah that's the plan kiddo or whatever he says yes and he is lying uh we'll land his ass

45:08

off yeah spoiler alert right yeah well ninety ninety four percent of

45:14

people have seen this love it so there can't be many who haven't seen this already right yeah again i call it cryo but crossing the

45:20

first threshold or or break into two right i keep calling it cryo i have they go into cryo or they go into deep sleep

45:27

for the journey and they wake up in the second act right is that do you see the second yeah no that's cool i didn't even you brought that up on um all the doors

45:34

doorways and stuff when we were talking about uh uh 16 blocks before again i didn't even think about that but

45:39

yeah now 100 the the doors are opening the to get out and step into the second act for sure i i i

45:46

like because it's not something you consciously think about but if you are thinking about breaks i like a because

45:52

it's a new world right they're waking up and they're they're in in the crazy upside down world now for sure well she

45:57

was alone in uh hypersleep now she's waking up next all these marines oh yeah and they're in an upside down

46:02

they have no clue right to the extent of what they're getting this is their ordinary world at this point because yeah they don't they don't know what's

46:08

going on yeah they have a note about how they downplay the threat for sure you know is this another bug hunt like they yeah

46:14

they don't they don't worry about what they're getting into private hudson bill paxton i wrote this down have you all seen you've all seen weird

46:20

science right bill paxton here is chet from from weird science yeah you know so

46:27

i didn't i've read i've seen the movie but i didn't remember a whole lot but so i read that i guess paxton ran into cameron in the airport when he was

46:33

working on aliens and uh writing it and said hey man yeah i'd love a part in the movie so cameron rewrote hudson for him

46:40

yeah and then so i guess like 100 base probably base it off of chet or whatever how he was you know had the tv on in the

46:47

background voice in mind right yeah got a nice greasy pork sandwich served up in a dirty ashtray yeah it's cool yeah but

46:54

he's a little beat when he like everyone else gets up and stumbles off all the marines as they wake up he gets up and they stumble off and

47:01

hudson's the other one's like man this floor is freezing yeah he's just this you know like was that written in there

47:07

was that an ad-lib just like no one else gives a [ __ ] about this cold floor but like i don't know to me like you automatically identify with him yeah he

47:13

really knows what it's like to step on cold floor with your your bare feet and it's like you know if you're not ready for that that kind of sucks yeah he

47:19

he everybody else is gung-ho he thinks everything is [ __ ] right everything

47:25

is [ __ ] man um yeah so that puts us in the funny games and i didn't

47:31

i didn't uh get deep into listing all the you know funny games but

47:36

meet the team learn the mission intro the mover suit i'll go through them real quick and we can talk about anything you want but

47:43

uh landing and gearing up on lv uh investigating signs of a fire sight acid damage a last stand by the colonists

47:50

discovery of a live parasite in the lab and sole survivor from the colony newt

47:55

colonies beacon is located in a nest so these are these are the fun and games i have listed that lead us up to the

48:01

midpoint but i don't want to rush through those because there's a lot yeah no i just i just had a couple uh

48:07

more that you i guess didn't yeah i hadn't mentioned yet so like so you have bishop uh who's the android

48:12

and he has the cool knife moment with hudson hey hey bishop do the knife thing so i thought that was cool and you the the

48:18

reveal again of i guess cameron's uh writing they do the knife trick so they set up the relationship of how bishop is

48:24

with the crew and how hudson is and then he knicks himself and so you learn by the fact that he nicked himself that he's in fact an android yeah and of

48:31

course he's sitting next to ripley and she learns that yeah she'll lose her [ __ ] because the

48:36

previous film the android went nuts yeah you know so yeah she's not no she went nuts and was also part of the the whole

48:42

company scheme of the the alien over the crew is more valuable than the crew well she went she went from dealing with

48:48

these aliens to dealing with these aliens like there was never a decompression time for ripley like sure

48:54

a couple of scenes she said around smoke cigarette sure right no you're right yeah no decompression and yeah

49:01

it's the next day for her i mean right yeah and then you kind of notice when they're doing the the intro to the crew

49:07

and they're kind of telling the what what their mission is yeah you can see that nobody still really believes her

49:13

about how the threat yeah yeah she's some sort of advisor or some [ __ ] yeah they're just completely

49:19

dismiss her yeah well it's it's uh okay so this is and i i maybe forgot to mention this

49:25

typical well i know i wrote it right here so we're actually right on time a common element i thought a common

49:31

element to monster in the house movies is ignoring the herald or the call of warning okay

49:37

from those with experience or intelligence because you know did the iq in this room suddenly drop like

49:42

and the same thing happened in jaws right like brody he doesn't have a lot of experience with sharks but he's intelligent enough to know that in the

49:49

face of this kind of threat this is what you do right so and that's i think that's a common theme

49:54

somebody gives a warning yeah and it's unheated uh which essentially becomes the sin it's unheated because they're

50:01

committing the sin of whatever it is that they find more advantageous than the monster right and then heat in the

50:06

morning right yeah you know and and for i guess horolingo like the a lot of times uh it's a female that survives

50:12

they call her to call it a final girl in this case ripley is the final girl from the first one yeah she's come back with

50:18

all the knowledge to to how to you know what this alien the threat that it poses and yeah again

50:23

nobody wants to listen now uh that that got me thinking and chris you'll know what this means and we can

50:29

define it if we have to for anybody else in jaws you got quint who is the half

50:35

man right the half man is the survivor of a previous encounter with the monster who then advises those

50:42

who are now encountering it ripley i think is that for sure but then so is new it was new yeah so all of a

50:48

sudden i'm saying i wrote down the question is newt the half man do we have two half men here and i think we

50:53

probably do right yeah so ripley's the half may i would say if you're gonna analyze it that deep so she ripley's the half men of dealing with the single

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alien and kind of what she's encountered newt's the half-man specifically to multiple aliens on this planet that

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makes sense right cause she survived on this planet yes yes which i think she has a warning too later on like i made a

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note in there i think it's at the midpoint they mostly come at night mostly like it'll be dark soon oh yeah yeah that's yeah again

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uh and and bill paxton you know uh she's just you know he's he's bitching a

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mona which is awesome and then obviously ripley says well you know newt here without weapons or training survived a

51:29

lot longer than 17 days why don't you put her in charge man

51:35

i love that you can't shame him okay we're not going to count you into

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anything damn right i guess we'll just connect later on when he's like yeah man you go

51:46

bishop should go yeah not ashamed even at the beginning before they even get into all the the trouble

51:53

and the people dying he's messing with with with vasquez because you know her first thing part of her i guess morning

51:58

routine is doing pull-ups yeah he's like hey vasquez you ever been mistaken for a man and she coolly goes no have you yeah

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yeah there's good there's some good exchanges in this yeah so colonists locate a nest now

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sherry mentioned this and i was thinking it almost the exact same moment like 30 seconds before it exploded so up

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to this point all you know the funny games and everything so far there hasn't been a lot of action one of the funny games is

52:24

meeting the team so you get all these marines and different personalities obviously anytime you intro a team like

52:29

that there's always strong personalities right so one's a complainer one's the you know the macho whatever there hasn't

52:35

been a lot of exciting exciting parts i mean it's very interesting but there wasn't no action

52:40

scenes right i felt like they were all filled with tension like there's a tremendous amount of tension build up so she mentioned it back to this planet

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about the same time i was thinking it and then like four seconds later it all hell breaks loose it's all hell breaks

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oh there it is you know yeah so i wrote starts off a lot of tension build up before the explosion of action

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with the flaming of the baby aliens they killed the alien the baby they that burst out of the chest

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of the poor survivor and then and then the mama or the the uh one of the guardian aliens

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decides well you killed a baby doll i'm coming for you you know right well even uh back to kind of what we're talking about earlier about ripley's motivation

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and just how hard it is for her to go back to this right she's having the nightmares and everything she experienced from the first one when they

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encounter the one survivor who's still alive and she her that lady's first words are please kill me yeah and then

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when it pops out of her her her stomach right they they have cuts of you know ripley

53:35

and just like she's her hands on her own chest like this is horrible stuff so yeah i know and also i think it's a big

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moment she's safe she's not out there with the marine she's safe in the little in the car thing whatever you want to call it right watching everything on

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monitors like she doesn't take it really she's along for the ride it's truly an advisor advisor he doesn't take an

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active role until after all hell breaks loose and realizes somebody has to do something yeah this lieutenant i have

53:57

chaos fog of war yeah shitless lieutenant loses it yeah no and i thought interesting because i don't know

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who you have is the b story but i have it as hicks so they they show the difference between hicks and and

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gorman um gorman's like nervous and he's all sweaty on the drop down hicks passes out and

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sleeping like a baby like this is run of the mill you see his heartbeat right yeah everybody else

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yeah yeah so he's you know complete calm and control and you know i don't know just i thought that was interesting

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okay so the ripley to the rescue is what i have and then so most of them get back i think there is a

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couple of deaths here do they lose a couple of marines i can't remember only hicks only hudson hicks hudson vasquez

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birkin newt and gorman are the only ones that survive okay all their other marines die right uh so i just have the

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they they get back to lick their wounds now i i have this as coming up on the midpoint uh are you

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as a false defeat well and again i'm always sort of because because once i peg that i'm looking to see what's going

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to be the always loss whether it's you know the opposite and and this is where i always get mixed up because all of a sudden well

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that's bad too so now i'm trying to figure out yeah if they've done it that way which one is which i

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went with a false defeat but i wrote a false defeat but it may be a false victory because i think there is a

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clear false defeat at the all is lost yep okay so that's what you i so i originally had this as a false defeat

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because obviously this is you know it's an ass kicking only a couple of them survive i don't think i wrote it down initially but i ended up after watching

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continuing to watch the movie i advised my notes and yeah about it a little bit later paxton has another uh brilliant

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line i don't think i don't know if you were caught up on current events we just got our answers kicked pam yeah yeah i love

55:42

that one all right so you're calling it a false victory but it's not at that point it's a false victory because right

55:47

if they get their asses kicked they decide to as a group other than burke to take off and look at it from orbit and

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so it's easy solution get the hell out of here shut up we're done yeah and so and they have a plan they call the ship you have

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the lady come fly down so that's their it's a false victory because the ship quickly crashes because an alien got on

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board another strain it on this planet as soon as uh yeah that was my false victory is let's get the hell out of here and took it from orbit yes uh yeah

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so so i have both down but as i watched it i think you're right i think it's a false victory here because we're

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probably right on the agree that it's a false defeat later on yeah all right bad guys close and again i

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sort of wrote the ship the alien taking out the planet yeah and this was there's um there's a lot to the bad guys closed

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in because i yeah i've got a lot yeah yeah because i have all those losses of foster feed okay so bad guys close in

56:38

you get this shot of burke watching like you know so if you didn't think burke was up to something before you could tell by how he's listening to the

56:45

discussion about nuking the planet that he doesn't like that and he sort of wanders off so you almost know he's going to do

56:51

something if you haven't been aware of it before it is no longer a seek and destroy the question is raised who is laying all

56:57

these eggs and then burke actually admits that they want to harvest these for weapons research for yeah bio weapons or

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whatever well but there's a there's i had another note on the who's laying the eggs ripley asked it when they're in the

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lab discussing it yeah bishop says i don't know something we haven't seen yet i thought that was great oh yeah yeah

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this is like you know talking to the audience you know yeah talking about building the world right so now you're this is bad yeah i got something for you

57:20

yeah you're introducing a whole new cause because we've seen the alien in alien in the

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first one but that's that's that's one you know species of yeah i guess cameron had to come up with

57:32

all this because yeah i mean was it the alien in the original that was laying the eggs like you know that's never discussed and we never learned so yeah

57:37

cameron had to come up with all this we did skip over hudson had another another good line or deadline with the

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uh after the ship crashes and the uh i feel like this one was the most famous ones the after crash was like that's

57:49

just great just game over man i mean it just came over there's raining on this [ __ ] planet you know with deadly

57:54

aliens and yeah just yeah something kicks even asking are you finished so so burke is starting to to posture

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here talks of money uh exclusive rights to the fine we could both make out pretty good here so here's here's the

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sin right uh the away ship is destroyed by an alien on board they fortify against the aliens which

58:14

move at night mostly there's that line yeah it's gonna be dark soon they mostly come at night mostly yeah okay well

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i said this to when we were watching the movie i thought it was night right no it's a super dark planet where's the

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hell is the sun right well well that that thanks for mentioning that because i had a note here

58:32

there are two kinds of space okay there is shiny star trek space okay where

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everything glistens and then there is dirty alien space okay where everything is greasy and dirty and

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dark blade runners this way we talked about judge bread but so which one is star wars

58:51

i think it shows both yeah i think you're gonna define it that way yeah i think star wars leans more toward realistic dirty space

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but like no nasa mission that i've ever seen on tv ever looked as dark and dirty like if nasa went up into space with all

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that that's cause they're all filmed in the same place man and can i add they always have gravity yeah she's she

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mentioned about gravity it's true i mean it would be it would wreak havoc on your budget but that's true someone should do

59:14

other than you know i guess there's been a few movies do a movie like aliens or any of these faces

59:19

or whatever you know yeah but still like and then have fun with that you know sure like yeah my boots aren't working

59:24

the guy starts floating off that'd be cool yeah yeah brilliant ideas here well you're right yeah

59:31

always have gravity drawn in and i like like harrison ford said to to what's his name it ain't that kind of

59:38

movie kid like if you're sitting there thinking about it because she's not that she was pulled out but she did not

59:44

love this well i'm used to that and all these space movies they have and i understand

59:49

that you you you can't you know shoot a movie there how do you do that unless you yeah

59:55

it'd be a pain yes but yeah no but i think that happens to me too like if it and for me it's once i get pulled out of a movie if i'm pulled out of a movie i

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start analyzing this [ __ ] out of it and of course you analyze i think any movie that deep you're gonna find a bunch of stuff sure

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anyway so the the sin is revealed here of uh that they're gonna that

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many will pay for uh the away ship is destroyed they fortify which i thought this i thought this was a it still

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worked for me when they are tracking the aliens that's in the room man you're reading it wrong and

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you know you mean when they attack yeah yeah yeah the away ship which has crashed vent i guess invented it its

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reactor and they give about four hours before the it explodes and has a 30 kilometer blast yeah i guess i kind of missed that

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so is the reactor breaking down just because it's so old or when they because the [ __ ] crashed or

:: 00:43

is it the moon the ship the ship crashed into it crashed into the cooling system

:: 00:49

okay okay i missed that okay power plant cooling systems they made a big the plant will overheat and explode okay i

:: 00:54

got all that part but i didn't know i guess i missed the fact that the ship crashed into because earlier in the movie when the he takes away all their

:: 00:59

their their guns yeah and so you know because ripley points out hey they're right over the cooling stuff we can't fire them

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there it'll be so i didn't know if them firing in there after all caused some sort of issue or yeah i guess i'm sure it didn't help yeah i missed the line

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about this yeah anyway it sets up the ticking clock yeah but even more bad guys close in not only are you you know

:: 01:16

trapped on a planet with deadly aliens now you've got to find a way to get off this planet that you're now trapped on yeah because it's gonna blow uh ripley

:: 01:23

and newt grab some sleep but burke has other ideas locks them in and releases a pair of a parasite and tends to smuggle

:: 01:29

the alien parasites two facehuggers yeah yeah yeah and so he has one for each of you yeah to smuggle this thing home in

:: 01:36

in their bodies yep aliens cut the power and drop in from above them a firefight

:: 01:41

burke betrays them again uh but then very quickly you know gets his

:: 01:47

he's come up and too yeah yeah almost kills himself in the room thinking i'm safe and yeah yeah alien right behind him you get yours buddy yeah i like that

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one yeah that felt good everybody loves that yeah the scene with the two facehuggers

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attacking alien uh two facehuggers attacking ripley and newt it's like that's still a lot of

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this movie to me still holds up but that scene in particular still holds up it's very tense and

:: 02:11

you know oh yeah no the the action sequences i thought were and her having to use her wits to because you know she calls for help

:: 02:17

nobody can hear so she you know sets off the fire alarm which then draws hicks and hudson and they come to the

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rescue which leads us to i have us getting into the olives

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lost a false defeat which i think we agreed with that's what i have yeah we're newt's captured yeah newt is

:: 02:32

locked because they so they get out but newt is lost the team is decimated and hicks is injured right correct yep and

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i think the automated voice says 26 minutes to explosion or something so yeah we're if you introduce the ticking

:: 02:45

clock you have to remind the audience almost constantly that the to create that to maintain that tension right you

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know anyway uh i think it was 16 minutes if i remember correctly 16 okay

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in in real time the movie it happens in 16 minutes oh that's cool yeah yeah i like that

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i guess there's another little beat in there that i think we just i feel like we should mention okay uh hicks shows ripley introduces her to the

:: 03:11

gun and shows her what during their downtime shows her how to how to work it and they have a cool exchange that i

:: 03:16

like where she you know she's learning the different parts and she's like well what's that and he's like well that's a grenade launcher i don't think you want to mess with that she goes well you

:: 03:22

started this yeah so but it's i think he's her b story and if anything i would say the b story

:: 03:29

beat is weak right i mean as far as what's the theme of this movie does he carry the theme i don't know but he

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serves to me seems like the b story even though it is kind of weak because he gives her the tools that she needs to break into three

:: 03:40

and then he's not around she has to break into three on her own because he's injured because the beast all his loss is where the be story character goes to

:: 03:47

die right all mentors no he doesn't die but he gets taken out the whiff of death right yeah yeah there you go

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yeah as far as i'm carrying the theme yeah i i didn't get the hell out that's that's the theme i never found a moment

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where a theme was stated you know agreed and i didn't really see a b story because

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ripley is fairly a static character in my mind right i think she silences her demons

:: 04:12

which i guess is a change yeah i don't think she well she's much tougher at the end than she was at the beginning and she couldn't have gone in there and

:: 04:18

rescued newt on her own without the him showing her the gun and just gradually getting killed no no i think

:: 04:24

if there is one it's probably because because we use that line where he gives her the tracking yeah so i can find you and then she uses

:: 04:30

that for newt and yeah but then he says it doesn't mean we're engaged you know like you know that's what's called macho you know and she takes that for what it

:: 04:35

is a a moment between them as you see they're kind of interested in each other you know they totally end up together in

:: 04:41

a world where alien three doesn't happen yeah i uh i had to break it to sherry

:: 04:47

she won't watch it anyway but i don't know if he just couldn't do the picture like he like he doesn't even have a speaking part right just

:: 04:53

philly's three starts out what's this picture up there yeah yeah uh i love this movie i love the series but

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it gets a little wackadoo in my opinion with like four and five right or

:: 05:06

where's better than three well but but it's right but it's trying to retcon all the crap they screwed up in three in my

:: 05:11

opinion well yeah but at some point it's not even ripley it's her clone right like yeah well cause they kill her off

:: 05:17

on the third one so they come well we gotta have her back because everybody loves ripley so they they clone her yeah again that makes it better than have any

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involvement with those others no no no yeah okay and you can sort of yeah you can tell

:: 05:30

okay now talking we are going to run over a little bit so i think maybe the next anyway

:: 05:37

like for instance in jaws roy scheider wanted nothing to do with jaws two or three or any of them

:: 05:44

and uh but he was under contract with the studio to do some movies

:: 05:49

and there was some other movie that he absolutely did not want to do and he said okay i'll make jaws too if

:: 05:54

you let me out of my contract and they were like okay so he did jaws too to get out of the contract but he wanted nothing

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and that's and that's what happens typically when you get all these secrets for money right so sure i'd be curious

:: 06:06

if uh i guess not you say that if sigourney weaver was in a similar situation and trapped and forced to do

:: 06:12

three because i guess i always wonder what she would probably look it up and find her have a you know what she says but i wonder what she what she feels

:: 06:18

about what happened to her character in three you know yeah because there's parts of three that i really like but yeah overall like it

:: 06:24

just it's too much of a gut punch to that yeah i'd have to go back all these nightmares of being ingested with an

:: 06:30

alien and having it burst out like like you know that she conquers it goes through all this [ __ ] in the second one to conquer these fears and then they

:: 06:36

turn around and do it to her anyways and ever like being pregnant with an alien it's terrible this time it's for money

:: 06:42

one and two i think work i'd have to go back and look at uh still kicks ass with an alien in her stomach

:: 06:48

by the way but yeah so the all's lost newt is lost team is decimated hicks is injured 16 minutes

:: 06:54

away dark knight of the soul newt is actually taken by the alien which i think ups the stakes right i

:: 07:01

mean if she's if she's lost in the ship they can get her back but i have the dark knight of the soul is

:: 07:06

nude is taken by the alien what do you have as your dark knight i have that so they meet up with bishops

:: 07:13

yeah newt's taken by the alien she gets rip ripley and hicks gets safely to the platform because though because bishop

:: 07:19

had this whole side mission of you know triangulating the transmitter or whatever getting the second ship basically down to him right so they meet

:: 07:24

up with him they can take off at this point and be done and be out of here yes but ripley won't leave without newt right so i'll just have that being her

:: 07:31

her dig down deep yeah and it's real brief it's not like a big moment of it but she you know basically yeah just i'm

:: 07:38

not you know i'm not leaving and she goes up there immediately starts gearing up and she has a line to hicks don't let him leave i'm talking about

:: 07:44

bishop he ain't going anywhere yeah because because there is this doubt in her mind and maybe even the

:: 07:50

audience okay this android what is his true motivation here you know if ripley doesn't trust him then the audience

:: 07:55

doesn't either right because we're all on board with with her yes yeah all right so uh then that leads us into the

:: 08:00

break into three ripley arms up to get newt auto voice sounding the clicking talk clicking

:: 08:07

i did that again ticking clock i actually wrote it down clicking talk wow oh my god

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professional writer yeah geez i actually wrote it down clicking talk my god all right so storming the castle

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and the high tower surprise newt has lost her tracker i i initially had that as the

:: 08:25

cause you stormed the castle and you hura but then there's this look minor setback or setback at first i had it as

:: 08:31

losing her tracker as i was lost as the hightower surprise oh okay uh as she's storming the castle

:: 08:39

stumbles into the nest with all the eggs and we are introduced to the the big mama

:: 08:46

that we see this new alien uh i think we're told four minutes on the clock uh and then from there on

:: 08:52

out it is adrenaline i have down a series of yes and no sequences uh yes and no sequences yes it's good no

:: 08:59

it's bad yes it's good no it's bad and so very quickly uh yes she gets to the top no bishop is gone yes bishop comes

:: 09:06

back no the alien is on board the mother ship now yes they get away from yes the get away from me get away from her you

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[ __ ] line no ripley is pulled down into the airlock yes the thing has been no ripley is grabbed yes the alien is blown

:: 09:18

out into space and ripley survives so i thought it still worked there is this back and forth back and forth back and

:: 09:24

forth pretty much for minutes and then the the loader payoff you know because earlier on she's like hey phil you just before the mission you're getting ready

:: 09:30

she's like hey i feel kind of useless like a fifth wheel you know can i do anything well what can you do and she's like well i can drive

:: 09:35

that loader yeah and so they set up the chicken drive it and she uses that to fight with the which i thought i thought right

:: 09:41

yeah the setup and payoff i've seen other like lesser movies don't do that they'll set some up and then forget and you forget about it that's right i

:: 09:48

thought yeah the second payoff was good there was lots of good payoffs and they didn't forget that they set something up

:: 09:54

any any other comments about that because it's basically a a roller coaster ride from

:: 10:00

the break into three to the end yeah i just liked how the music even was like a heartbeat at times yeah yeah

:: 10:05

and then the final image which i thought was done well almost a match of the first image she's asleep in

:: 10:11

the chamber uh and i wrote down another cat saved because she's got newt right so

:: 10:16

uh movie opens she has saved the cat uh movie closes she's right back where she was

:: 10:22

just having saved another sure you know catch the only thing i would add is she goes from being alone to with family now

:: 10:28

right she's got hicks she's got news sure she's got other she's no longer the sole survivor of

:: 10:33

these horrible aliens she's now got other people that she can share this with and like for me they could have ended the

:: 10:39

series there and that would have been sweet and i think that ending would have been even better

:: 10:44

we had better stuff had they had had they done what we talked about earlier just a scene or two of her

:: 10:51

either remembering her family you know and strut you know anyway i think we both agree that it's there

:: 10:56

maybe weak or we want it to be there but i think this would have been set up a little stronger if sure

:: 11:03

they had spent just a couple more minutes because if you're doing two hours from 20 do our dude just do two on

:: 11:08

225 right give me five more minutes of that scene i was going to watch this movie twice till i saw it was two and a half hours

:: 11:15

like i don't i don't have that kind of thing it goes by nice and fast it does it does but it

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i was taking notes as i went this time that's why i said theatrical release not special directors extended because i'm

:: 11:27

sure some of those holes probably would have been filled with those you've never seen the special edition i have oh okay

:: 11:32

so i don't remember what i was in there i had plugged over the daughters yeah uh but that's i just wanted to review kind

:: 11:38

of the i don't want to say the generic version of the movie yeah you know it's one everybody's most likely seen sure sure

:: 11:45

well we talked about avatar right the theatrical release when we when chris and i saw it we were like there's the

:: 11:51

first chunk of this movie is missing his his ordinary world is called well if you watch the director's cut it's in there it's in there and that and that that's a

:: 11:58

good setup yeah you see jake on the on earth or planet or whatever he's at going through my mundane life in a

:: 12:04

wheelchair because that's the whole thing is he's paralyzed right so yeah you see all that where yeah it's interesting i think you're not talking

:: 12:10

about some producer must have been like no get him in the pandora quicker yeah i think you lose a lot a lot of times

:: 12:15

those guys are probably like we need this two hours 204. well it's gotta be that's the real challenge is to get all

:: 12:21

your beats that you want in a two hour well here's the thing uh a producer or the studio is thinking

:: 12:27

if this movie is an hour and a half we can show it six times if it's two hours we can only show it four times in the theater

:: 12:33

in a given day we get two more showings by cutting it down we make more money sure but if you think like that too much

:: 12:39

then you cut your movie down and then nobody goes to see the [ __ ] burke in this movie must have been must have worked in hollywood as a producer

:: 12:46

or he should it'd be a lot safer um we're kind of past it now but uh i just

:: 12:52

something that was interesting when uh when they find newt and and hicks reaches for her so hicks played by

:: 12:58

michael being right he reaches for it she bites him and i don't know why it struck me as funny so

:: 13:03

michael bean got bit by uh sarah connor in terminator yeah like just in both cameron movies that he's in

:: 13:10

separate about two years he gets bit you know so yeah poor guy yeah mike i got another movie for you but

:: 13:15

you're gonna get bit i mean i guess it's better than getting bit by an alien but true

:: 13:21

all right i guess we're at the the past recommend uh yeah so any any other mechanics i think

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can i do one more trivia yeah yeah yeah absolutely um because when i realized it was paul

:: 13:34

ryser with about bill paxton in the same oh yeah remember yeah yeah

:: 13:40

one of my favorite movies is twister oh yeah and bill paxton's wife was helen

:: 13:46

hunt and then of course helen hunt played paul reiser's wife for years and mad about you what about you the tv yeah

:: 13:52

yeah so these these guys both have the same wife i just thought that was so funny the other one one of my favorite

:: 13:58

characters of aliens is the sergeant opponen the black cha the

:: 14:03

cigar chomping yeah no no yeah yeah first thing he does when he wakes up from hyper sleep is a car in his mouth

:: 14:09

sure he actually mentioned that the first thing he does is put a cigar yeah he is the first uh

:: 14:15

i'm not even looking at the trivia he was uh promoted to sergeant in the field in vietnam he was the first african

:: 14:21

american in real life in real life he is a marine sergeant so you know he i was like it's like

:: 14:27

early ermey they just they're great actors they're great characters

:: 14:32

they they're just greens they're awesome and he was one of the standout guys promoted in the field in vietnam yeah

:: 14:39

like did someone die okay uh the sergeant is dead corporal you're the sergeant or was it

:: 14:44

meritorious like did they actually have it i think it was meritorious but it yeah vietnam think about what you got to

:: 14:49

do to get promoted in the field yeah all right are we ready for our

:: 14:55

final judgment james you picked it i guess i think i think i think we all universally like this movie if we're not we're in the

:: 15:01

minority but uh yeah i'd definitely recommend it it's fun i

:: 15:06

think this movie when i started it the other night i thought that this movie without seeing the alien the first movie

:: 15:14

in a long time i think aliens stood on its own it was a good movie all by itself so i would say if you haven't seen any

:: 15:21

of the alien movies franchises this one's a good one to start out with it'll help your attention it's a scary movie

:: 15:27

so yeah definitely recommend it yeah i'm same i'm gonna recommend for sure yeah yeah it's one of my favorite movies and

:: 15:33

um cameron was one of my favorite writers i guess he still is just not anything recent um you could still like

:: 15:39

every stuff he's done just not everything yeah just i don't know just following following from grace in my opinion but

:: 15:45

yeah that means aliens up there no michael bean that'll that opinion will keep james cameron up at night

:: 15:51

sure yeah better it better give him ellen ripley nightmares i'm gonna look on imdb tomorrow when all those uh

:: 15:56

avatar four five and six are gonna be gone yeah yeah we'll take him down because of that i don't know that we're gonna have a

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universal or a unanimous opinion jerry what what were your uh

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you want to write down the one you want to read the one note you wrote down or i i mean i did write pass yeah

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however michael bean bill pacquiao you recommend michael bean but not the movie i recommend michael b

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yeah so just watch it put the movie on mute yeah yeah can i get the michael bean cut just uh

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probably find that on youtube just just michael bean cut yeah and bill paxton was worth watching it

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and and yes if you want to see something scary that that uh

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you're going to sit on the edge of your seat yeah sure so i think it still works yeah is it a pass or a consider i don't

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know would you watch it again no

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but but you said if you wanted if someone wanted to watch a scary movie if they wanted to watch a scary movie and and you like sigourney weaver and yeah

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yeah all right so she's on the fence but whatever i certainly give it uh i recommend even with some of the weaker

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points this is still a strong movie i think it still works you know anyway yeah so i think i i

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think it still holds up i think you know and like you had pointed out on the message thread we just accidentally

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picked some movies with some badass female leads yes uh yeah horny weaver

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80 what was this 85 86 you know ghostbusters she was in that yeah sigourney weaver is

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an attractive badass woman no absolutely uh yeah uh depending on we record these in

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a certain order but you may or may not listen to them in a certain order but along with this we are also reviewing a long kiss goodnight which has

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a an equally tough female lead uh gina davis or whatever yeah and i think both

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those work or whatever all right absolutely are we good i think so all right i think we're out

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on aliens but michael bean was there to save you and protect you yes okay yeah

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i think this table leg is superior to the devil's floor so he stands alone on that you're sure

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but [Music] there's a monster i am i'm ready for it to be over

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oh the world's a little twisted chris yeah okay survived a lot longer than 17 days who

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wants to put her in charge man

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okay we're not going to count you into anything damn right [Music]

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would you watch it again no

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everybody else is gung-ho he thinks everything is [ __ ] right everything is

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[ __ ] man

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you