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21: Unlocking Your Spark With Dena Wiggins
Episode 2117th May 2023 • Mystical Sisterhood • Maureen Spielman
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Dena Wiggins, Purpose Doula, joins Mystical Sisterhood today to share her life’s journey, wisdom and work setting this world on fire! Dena shares how she often didn’t understand what was happening for her in her life’s journey yet she learned how to decode synchronicities and give gratitude, even in the hardest of times. As she moved through her life’s experiences, she awoke to her gifts of guiding others to find their purpose and their soul’s expansion. You will feel Dena’s energy coming through over the airwaves and know that she is living her purpose on this Earth!

EPISODE TAKEAWAYS (what you’ll learn):

  • The meaning of rear view wisdom
  • How life speaks to you in sparks and nudges
  • When your body holds on to unresolved hurts
  • The importance of integrity and authenticity
  • Human Design and Gene Keys integration into your life

About the Guest:

Dena Wiggins (she/her) is a Best-Selling Transformational Author, TEDx Curator, and MBA informed Purpose Doula. She wholeheartedly believes that purpose is the birthright of humanity and intentionally refers to all of humanity as Purpose Peeps. Dena’s sweet spot of service is to transform the many ways of living survival as a lifestyle into the many ways of living thriving lives of purpose. Dena is a certified purpose coach through Imperative, pioneers of fulfillment in what you do, and earned her MBA in International Strategic Management at the University of Maryland. She represents a bridge between the art and science of results that matter.

Find Dena Wiggins at:

https://denawiggins.com/about/

https://www.globalpurposeleaders.org/

http://www.soulfulfacilitator.com/

https://feelreal.net/

LinkedIn

Instagram

About the Host:

Maureen Spielman is the Founder of Mystical Sisterhood, a podcast dedicated to bringing more joy, healing and expansion to the world. She is a seasoned life coach who supports individuals through one-on-one coaching, groups and workshops.

Connect with Maureen:

● Check out her Instagram: @maureeenspielman

● Learn more about her work at www.maureenspielman.com

● Want to join our Mystical Sisterhood Membership community? Find out more here: https://www.maureenspielman.com/mysticalsisterhood

● Email Maureen at hello@maureenspielman.com to inquire about coaching, podcasting & speaking engagements

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Transcripts

Maureen Spielman:

Welcome to Deena Wiggins on the mystical

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sisterhood podcast today. Deena is a purpose doula, which you

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will find out what that means a master soulful facilitator and a

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global purpose leader, Dina absolutely brings her energy and

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passion to this conversation today. She allows us into her

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life and some things that have unfolded for her, that led to

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her own awakening. It's incredibly inspiring. And it's

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led to her work and helping supporting individuals find

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their spark within Spark, I believe she believes is just

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waiting to come out. Her body of work is so extensive, and her

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energy is palpable. So I hope you enjoy this this conversation

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that's just filled and loaded with so many goodies. And I just

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look forward to hearing your feedback on the episode. I

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enjoyed it so much. So with that, we'll go to the episode.

Maureen Spielman:

Thanks for being here. Hey there, welcome to mystical

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sisterhood. This is your host, Maureen Spielman. I started the

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show to highlight the intuitives, healers and other

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courageous women that I've met along my journey and continue to

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meet. Through amazing interviews, I seek to ask

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insightful questions to uncover ways in which you the listener

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can apply the wisdom and knowledge to your own life. I

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believe that we're all in this together. So sharing healing and

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joy, and bringing community together is both my passion and

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purpose. If you'd like to learn more about the mystical

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sisterhood community I'm building, please visit www

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mystical sisterhood.com See you in the episode. Welcome Dina

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Wiggins to mystical sisterhood. You and I had the pleasure of

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meeting through our dear friend and your colleague Susan Lucci

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from episode nine for our listeners, I'm just welcoming

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you here and so interested in what you have to share with our

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audience around purpose around igniting the divine gifts within

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and sharing with our audience, the modalities that you've

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tapped into, in order to discover these gifts within. I

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think that we can never hear enough of these messages. And I

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get so excited because of the uniqueness that you're bringing

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to the conversation and to the table. And it's going to be just

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what it's meant to be. But I say welcome. And I just am so

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excited for you to be here.

Dena Wiggins:

Oh, wow. I am delighted to be here. With you.

Dena Wiggins:

I absolutely love the interview that you did with Susan. It

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didn't feel like an interview. It felt like this conversation.

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Like we were all just kind of hanging out in someone's living

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room or like around a bonfire or something and just having this

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juicy conversation. It felt extremely Invitational and I

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just want to say thank you, marine for following your spark

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creating this place and having all of these wonderful

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conversations for us to connect and find each other. And just to

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really believe in like, what's up in our lives. So thank you.

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Yeah, of course. And I thanks for

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reflecting that back to me. It's always a valuable reflection to

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me. I think that when we spoke the other day i i have been

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years in the making of what came to be, but I didn't know it. I

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didn't know what was happening along the way. I had periods of

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I feel like intense frustration with myself for not being

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somewhere this this you know, this place that I had in my mind

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that I was supposed to be and I think that I don't know if I

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alluded to it and Susan Lucci is episode but just that that I was

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just so lost for so long. And I didn't have any reflection or,

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or knowing because I just didn't know how to tap into the fact

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that what I was doing at the time was exactly where I needed

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to be. I wish that I would have had known that at the time. But

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that even if the things well, I know it all does, but like the

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bigger things that contributed to this birthing of mystical

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sisterhood. They were they were happening in perfect order and

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they they actually were a big pieces to my story. And yeah,

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I'll just kind of start with that, you know, Oh, I know, when

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I look at your website, Deena, it's wide ranging. But how did

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you begin? And how did you kind of come to this work? To begin

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with? Yeah,

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yeah, just such a great question. So I think similar to

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you, it was just leaving. It wasn't like this finite point

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that like, had this like linear plot. But at this thing that

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life was speaking to me. And over a period of time, I kind of

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recognized it. But I recognized it and what I call the rear view

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mirror wisdom. It was like after some time had passed, and then I

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look back, I'm like, Oh, wow. That's what that was. And so

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initially, it was just like this, ah, to recognize the

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pattern. And over time, it turned into like, what you were

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saying this frustration? Because I was like, How do I sync up

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with this? Because the thing that was tugging at my heart,

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were like, missing connection, or, like missing this divine

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timing or just these opportunities? And also, wow, I

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really want to sync up with that. And I think that whoever

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hears that heard that, yeah, believe that when I said it,

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because it was like all of these things happen. But it was a

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bumpy road. It was a really bumpy road. And so I think for

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me, one of the pivotal points in my life happened when I thought

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things were coming together. And I had this tendency that came

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from my childhood, that want it to have a happy ending, that

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want it to have this, like, tie a nice bow around it. And all of

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this, like really difficult stuff had meaning or whatever.

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And then it you know, end it is, and life has been showing me

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throughout the years, it doesn't work that way. Every ending is a

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new beginning. So it's more of like a spiral. It's not like

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that. And so I think now that led to my work really being

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around, you know, how do we stay with that? How do we stay in the

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mystery? How do we stay in the inquiry, if that's true, and

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being like really more experiential, but the pathway

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that led to that was actually having a stroke. In my early

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40s, that happened, at least I don't know if there's ever a

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time when you can think of having a major health wake up

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call. But this one happened after being laid off. From a job

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that I loved. I thought I had a right, I thought I was working

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for a consultancy, that was a conscientious consultancy,

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specializing in change management in a way that was the

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most integrated that I had ever experienced at that point. And I

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was like, Oh, my gosh, I found my people, like, this is it. And

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it was it until it wasn't it. And after that experience, I

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thought, Oh, wow, this time, I'm gonna go have this European

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vacation with my family. When I went to grad school, I went to

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grad school and studied abroad. And I just wanted my family to

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have some of the rich experience that I had with my cohort. And

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that was like this dream that I had been manifesting. Right. So

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you seeing this pattern, nice bows, or whatever. And they

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unraveled when I realized that I was having, I was in the midst

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of a stroke that no one could identify like, what was really

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the catalyst? Yeah, so it was one of those inquiries that like

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knocks you down. It's no finite answer. And then my body started

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talking to me in a way that I recognized my body was talking

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to me. And if I'm honest, it was probably talking to me for a

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while. Yeah, and I just wasn't listening. Because I was so

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attuned to kind of what you were talking about marine of like

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this definition of success. And just like okay, if I get the

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degrees, if I am just like this superduper employee doing all

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the things crossing, all the T's, dotting all the i's, having

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all the right relationships, that my life would flourish in a

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way. And in doing those things, I realized now looking back,

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that I was moving further and further and further away from my

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authenticity. and putting on the masks and doing all the things

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that some well meaning mentors, were telling me to do to fit

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into a world, instead of being a part of what is changing the

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world, not only for me, but for countless other people beyond me

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behind me. So they wouldn't have to experience that type of

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switching to get ahead. And my body was keeping score of all of

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this, as well as all of the unresolved hurts and booboos

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that I had early on in my life. And so the stroke happened, I

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lost half of my vision at that time. And then I would have

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these experiences where whatever was happening was a process that

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was spreading to my other eye. And so in those moments, it was

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like, nothing else could penetrate this invitation to

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like, really slow down and pay attention. Wow. And so that was

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like a journey of 18 months. And during those 18 months, I was

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reflecting back and just saying, wait a minute, what is

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happening? And I was kind of getting what I call downloads,

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which are these understandings that are being that were

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welcoming to welcoming me to a different level of

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consciousness. That was just like, wow, you've been carrying

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a lot of stress. Yeah, wow, you've been carrying a lot of

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should have supposed to, I wish I did all these things, and

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they're manifesting in your body. And this was not the first

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time that I experienced that I had had some breast cancer

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scares. And the download that I got then was, these are pockets

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of anger, that needs to be released from your body. It's

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not what you think it is. And so here was another, you know,

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invitation to like, what is my body really telling me? Mm hmm.

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And so I connect it with like, the beautiful work of Louise

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Hay. And just like these different ways of like decoding,

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like what was happening. And I remember one day vividly, that I

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was in my family room on this day, and I had begun this. So

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backstory, I worked in facilitation and strategy. So I

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leaned a lot on the analytic side of myself. And so I was

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doing all this thing mapping with the sticky notes and doing

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all these things to like, map out my life. And one day and my

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family rooms, all of the sticky notes, lost the glue on the bag,

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fell to the floor. And I was in a ball just like stopping, like,

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oh, my gosh, I've been working on this for months, oh, my gosh,

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was just starting to make sense. And in that moment, was just

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like the boom, that happened. And I just said, I just spoke

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out to the world and just said, I want to know the truth. I want

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to know what's real. I want to stop making these house, these

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houses of cards, that when they collapse, it's like a good thing

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to get you through some moments, but at a period of time they

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collapse. And it's really hard to get back up after that

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happens. And then my life changed. Oh, yes.

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Thank you for the whole backstory or not even

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the whole of it. But just all of that, because I think that, you

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know, I'll just say that even when I was looking at your

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website, Dina, you know, the thing about these conversations

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that's so valuable, is to take people back in time, because I

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was thinking about it and like, oh my gosh, she's got all these

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resources. Look at all she's done. And people might say, Oh,

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she's got it all together. And we still know we're a work in

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progress, of course. But we you started there, and just the

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incredible innate wisdom of your body, saying, dropping the

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whispers across time, but then saying, Oh, we might have to do

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something a little more to get this woman's attention here. And

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but then listening, I'm curious about the downloads. Did you

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find because you so you had, I want you to say more about the

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downloads and how those came to us so that people have an idea

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of what those could look like. And then also you were also

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reaching for some external tools like books and things to maybe

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teach you new new ways of looking at the world or new

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skill sets. But yeah,

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yeah, get these amazing story. So there is something

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that I think kind of began when I was a child Old, about nine

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years old. That was just like what I would call a download

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what, which is like something coming into my consciousness. So

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imagine this nine years old, not being in a safe environment. And

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I spent a lot of time in my room. And because something was

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presencing itself to me when I would go into this room, and was

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just like giving me these different games to play. And

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these different games that I was playing, actually are like

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foundational to some of my books, my programs and

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everything. Because I've been playing with them for most of my

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life. I'm 54. Now. Yeah. And so the first one I can think of is

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like, what's so special about today, and it was teaching me to

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like focus on one source of gratitude throughout the day,

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which would just lead to another and lead to another and lead to

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another and so my room, and that the templates of time ended up

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being magical.

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Did you have a way of writing it down? Or did

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you have a wave?

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Down? Nine, so I would just like, it was just enough to

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know that I'm in the middle of like, a really, really, really

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hard time really hard, really serious stuff that cause me to

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be displaced from my home for a while I'm sick, I mean, serious

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stuff. But yet, there was a spark. Yeah, that was still

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there. And for me, that spark started with gratitude. Then,

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the downloads taught me about synchronicity, because like,

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literally, there were certain I am musically inclined. And so

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there were certain songs that would just like take me

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someplace else. 70s great music, but this will take me someplace

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else. And I would turn that would be station from station to

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station. And I was just like, this is being gifted to me in

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this moment. I just knew that it was, I didn't know the word

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synchronicity at night. But I knew that something was

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happening to let me know you're not alone. And it was just like

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feeding my spirit, and allowing me to be joyous in a time that,

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you know, would defy logic in the in the moment. And so that

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was like my first and I never told anyone about it, which was

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interesting. Yeah. It wasn't a fear. It was just like, I just

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accepted it as my reality. I just didn't think about it, you

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know. And so, as I got older, what I learned is that, like,

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life speaks to me in Sparks and nudges. And so what sparks and

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nudges feel like someone wrote in a book, once, that voice that

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you hear when you're at the grocery store that says, go down

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this out and get this thing or, you know, whatever, and it's not

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on your list. It's not what you plan to go. But if you listen to

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it, you figure out why you're on that aisle. Yeah, if you don't

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listen to it, you get home and you're like, you know, and so I

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was just like, wow, so went from frustration with, with

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experiences like that to let me stop and pay attention. So I

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would assert that the same way when not the same way, but that

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availability is available to all of us in different ways. And so

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a part of the childlike wonder, and curiosity is like, what's my

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spark? I call it spark language. What is the way that life knows

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how to get my attention, and to share things with me that are

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for me? So it's like the embodiment of some of the what I

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call resonant principles, like the universe has my back, you

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know, or, you know, life is working for me this these

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things? Yeah, they have a universal value. Well, how do

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they play out on your life? And so it goes from being living

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here to living in the heart, mind body? Because it's like,

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this is how it happens for me. So for me, I guess I just get,

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um, downloads. And I've learned over the years, when I am more

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prone to have downloads when I wake up when I get awakened at

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four o'clock in the morning, sometime between four and five.

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That's my download time. Yeah, I don't know if it's because I'm

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relaxed. It's a lot of different wisdom traditions that we'll

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talk about why that happens at that time. I don't care. Yes,

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here for it. So what I do is, I will keep my phone close to me.

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And I learned that when I'm groggy and half awake, I can

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speak a voice memo. I can do something and then I go back to

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sleep. Yes. When? Yeah. And I don't do that. I don't

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acknowledge that something's communicating with me. Then I'm

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up. I'm frustrated. I can't like oh, I just want to go back to

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sleep. Something is communicating with me. Yes. When

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I'm outside working in the soil, Like planting, it's this time of

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year is so juicy for downloads for me, this is a part of my

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cycle. Yep. And so I know I have to get out, I have to get my

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hands in the ground, I have to plant I have to prune, I have to

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do this. And I just have clarity. And I can hear

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you just that, that open vessel, right? You

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just, you're and you're when you're open to receive it, I

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feel like you're not pushing it away. There's just you're just

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creating a through line to receive, which is so important.

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That reminds me more of the flow the reception, but I like what

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you're saying for myself for the audience, because that's the

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voice that I didn't used to know was giving me messages but all

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the time. And I think Valerie from Valerie would from an

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another episode had talked about, I asked her how do you

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know the difference between it's your mind? And I don't know, if

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you have your own answer to this, how do you know the

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difference between if it's your mind, or if it's that

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channeling, and she said, often sort of like your grocery store

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aisle, it's like, when it's something so unexpected, that

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just falls into your, your pathway, that that's the

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Divinity That's the voice coming to you.

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salutely. It's just like, you just, it's like, you

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hear something and a part of you. It's like you're hearing

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something new, or it's a new way a new lens or something. And

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yet, there's a part of you that recognizes it. Yeah, it's just

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that's not that's the way I can describe it. And I think that

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that's what people mean, when they use the word resonant. Like

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it's something that knows, I just believe that this is a time

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of the great remembering. And so it's like, and I think that we

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have all types of resources that help us to, like, remember some

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things that we could be disconnected from for a number

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of reasons. Some reasons could be conditioning, just like, you

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know, doing that, where we have ancestors, family members doing

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the best they can to keep us safe. Yeah. And so we sometimes

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that safety, we sacrifice this other knowing, especially if

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that's not a part of dominant culture, or, you know, the way

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that we're supposed to know things. And so it's a it's any

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number, it's any number of reasons. But I think what gives

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me hope is that we're reconnecting, I believe. Yeah, I

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think so now, because I'm attuned to this. And another

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thing that we can do, in terms of our Spark is like, really

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break it down, when we have these type of moments, and go

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back as a witness to your own experience. So it's like you're

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in the past, and you're in the present, and you're almost like,

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I'm scribing, this experience, so you know what it feels like

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in your body? Yeah, because sometimes the body will

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recognize incoming, something's coming in, pay attention before

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the mind can say, I don't know about that. And kind of, you

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know, steer you off or whatever. But you can actually, as a

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practice, start to recognize, so I'll recognize that, it'll,

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it'll feel like butterflies in my stomach. And I'm just like,

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oh, let me hold on, let me, let me just check in let me just pay

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attention, or whatever. And it's just my practice, just so that I

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can, like attune to that. And so that can become more sensitive.

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And to your question, or the you know, the difference between,

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like your mind, and this intelligence that's connecting

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with you. A lot of times, my mind will sound like an inner

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critic. And so it's a different tonal quality, it's loud. It's

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like, whatever, and it doesn't feel like it lives in me, it

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feels like, well, it's kind of in me, but it's like, it's just

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I don't know. So it's a different feeling. This other

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voice is more like a soft nudge. That's why I call it sparks and

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nudges. It's just like, like a, you know, like a gentle

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reminder. Going out. Yeah, it's not saying, Do you need to go

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now seven, you know, don't do what I say. And that's the other

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voice, right? And so, in order to, in order to be to hear that

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small voice, that's why I'm saying slow down, when you can

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feel that like, wait a minute, something got my attention in a

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way I don't quite understand. But I'm going to slow down

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enough just to see if something's there. And if not, I

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can keep it moving. But I'm acknowledging, acknowledging. So

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if I can acknowledge at a pause and acknowledge and writing

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something down, I can acknowledge and a memo and I'm

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telling you, I will tell you that At the file that I keep in

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my phone that has the recording of all this stuff that just acts

Unknown:

like it doesn't even look like those together. They've ended up

Unknown:

being books. They've ended up coming together and collecting

Unknown:

and becoming programs and things of service as I didn't see.

Unknown:

Yeah,

Maureen Spielman:

yeah. That's really amazing. I love it, the

Maureen Spielman:

compilation, I've been writing down my dreams a lot like that.

Maureen Spielman:

And it's interesting you say that, because I'll often get up

Maureen Spielman:

around five and go back to sleep for an hour and a lot comes to

Maureen Spielman:

me then as well. But that was really important to me in what

Maureen Spielman:

you're saying, not only all the beautiful shares, but and I'm

Maureen Spielman:

testament to this. And I know so many people listening, I was the

Maureen Spielman:

busy one for so, so long. And I don't know if it's what you're

Maureen Spielman:

saying, like, this time of great remembering, it feels more, it

Maureen Spielman:

feels like there's a spaciousness, at least coming

Maureen Spielman:

from me. And I'm, you know, hopeful that we're feeling that

Maureen Spielman:

as we spread all these messages. And, and I know that I'm slowing

Maureen Spielman:

down. So in order to receive what I hear you saying like even

Maureen Spielman:

when you talk about that pause, and that the in between? And the

Maureen Spielman:

it's a slowing down? It's it's a different quality? Yeah,

Unknown:

absolutely. Absolutely. And when you're saying like, all

Unknown:

the stuff that's on the website, and things like the name of my

Unknown:

LLC, is success by planning. So a lot of me was like wired to

Unknown:

like, what's the plan? What's the rollout? What's the, you

Unknown:

know, all these things? What are the best practices? And I'm not

Unknown:

saying there's not a space for that. But what's the dance

Unknown:

between the structure and the flow? And so everything that

Unknown:

started happening after that declaration with my sticky notes

Unknown:

in the family room, has been download inspired, if not

Unknown:

driven? Yeah,

Maureen Spielman:

I'm sitting there, like, I mean, when they

Maureen Spielman:

say the wisdom is within us. That's it, huh? That and it's a

Maureen Spielman:

belief system to that it is there for us. That's a cross.

Maureen Spielman:

That's a threshold we cross. And we, but I think that even as a

Maureen Spielman:

coaching principle, when I first started getting into coaching is

Maureen Spielman:

the client in front of you has all the wisdom, but these are

Maureen Spielman:

the messages for me at least that keep on getting just over,

Maureen Spielman:

you know, they're cemented more and more and more as the truth.

Maureen Spielman:

And for me, they're replacing maybe some old truths that I

Maureen Spielman:

thought were true. And it's sort of what you were saying all the

Maureen Spielman:

things you believe to be true with the gold shiny bow. And

Maureen Spielman:

that makes me kind of laugh too. Because when we think when you

Maureen Spielman:

were sharing your story of Oh, and it was all gonna be wrapped

Maureen Spielman:

up in the bow. It's like, what did we think was after that? We

Maureen Spielman:

were done living it 40 or 50? Or whatever it is. It's like, no,

Maureen Spielman:

that's not the purpose. I feel like we're ever evolving, ever

Maureen Spielman:

unfolding. Yeah. So then talk about to like, so then when you

Maureen Spielman:

got to that part of your life after your strokes and after

Maureen Spielman:

those 18 months? Where did you find yourself? And then I know

Maureen Spielman:

you're saying like, it's so much came from downloads, but it

Maureen Spielman:

really got channeled into this more, a little more, a little

Maureen Spielman:

more refinement? I don't know if that's really true, because I

Maureen Spielman:

see you as also a broad practitioner.

Unknown:

Yeah, I think it's a both and, and so it's because it

Unknown:

all, it all doesn't come in at once. It's just, it almost feels

Unknown:

like following breadcrumbs that you know, gather. And then next

Unknown:

thing you know, you have a loaf of bread, you have a meal. But

Unknown:

it's like, it's almost like the belief did that like, wow, this

Unknown:

bread crumb is for me. And I'm just going to enjoy it, I'm just

Unknown:

going to have an experience. So a lot of it was experiential.

Unknown:

And I don't want to chime ahead. But it's like now because of

Unknown:

some of the modalities that I use. Now. When I look back, it

Unknown:

makes even more sense about like, why that was so alive for

Unknown:

me. But I can say that it was really about just this dance

Unknown:

that I was doing, where it was like, Okay, let me go and have

Unknown:

an experience with this. And so that's how I kind of like

Unknown:

shifted, I was already curious about purpose, when I was

Unknown:

working in strategy and change management. But it was in the

Unknown:

early 2000s. In that conversation, believe it or not,

Unknown:

was like it was a really disruptive conversation, even in

Unknown:

my world with this conscious group. And whatever it was just

Unknown:

like, how did you What do you mean, you know, how do you you

Unknown:

know, I'm just like, I just think that we do I really think

Unknown:

that and I think that when we attune to that. It allows us to

Unknown:

have a freedom and agency. And well how do you do that? I don't

Unknown:

know, but I'm really Curious about how I like in other words,

Unknown:

my I think my entry was, this is almost like Goldilocks, like,

Unknown:

it's not this, I'm not really sure what it is, but it's not

Unknown:

this. And so it just so happened the head after I had my stroke

Unknown:

after those 18 months after that declaration, I got a download

Unknown:

one day and I was doing all of these different I love to

Unknown:

research. And so I was researching purpose. And just

Unknown:

like, you know, getting some thoughts together, reading some

Unknown:

books and things like that. I had already had some ideas

Unknown:

because of some of the programs that I created, with my one on

Unknown:

one coaching in the realm of strategy. But it just wasn't

Unknown:

crystal to me. And so one day, I got a download, they said, do a

Unknown:

search for purpose and economy, I heard it, I do a search. And

Unknown:

when I did, it was the day that the book The purpose economy

Unknown:

came out, whoa. It was April the 15th. I can't tell you what

Unknown:

year, but I'm telling you, it was that like, and I got the

Unknown:

book, I read the book, it was crazy. Everybody that I could

Unknown:

share it, um, that survey instrument, the initial version,

Unknown:

you gotta go check this out, you gotta go check this out. And I

Unknown:

was just playing with it. And I was just like, Oh, my God, what

Unknown:

I want to do, I'm taking this to the Department of Labor. I want

Unknown:

to hold workshops for displaced employees. I want them to be

Unknown:

able to reimagine themselves, not from jobs and from roles,

Unknown:

but from these, these pillars, these inner pillars, and they

Unknown:

can just recreate and I just like that's where I was. So I

Unknown:

was knocking on the door of the people that the Aaron hearse for

Unknown:

his business, like how could come? Do I need to have

Unknown:

permission? Do I need to have a licensing group? What do I need?

Unknown:

Because I'm pitching this to Department of Labor? And then

Unknown:

you know, so forth. So yeah, I think it was maybe about two

Unknown:

years. And I would not and I was like, they probably think I'm

Unknown:

crazy. But I wasn't getting a response. What and then

Unknown:

something told me send another email. And when I sent this

Unknown:

email, I got a response. And the response that I got was Gina,

Unknown:

we're about to open a coaching training for small businesses.

Unknown:

Yeah. Would you like to participate? This is the this is

Unknown:

the initiating cohort.

Maureen Spielman:

Fascinating, fascinating. And I just love I

Maureen Spielman:

love all parts of that the synchrony synchronicity of that

Maureen Spielman:

download. And I love what you were saying before to leaning

Maureen Spielman:

into the experiences that came your way. Because I know that's

Maureen Spielman:

just going back a teeny bit, but I really like it for was ever

Maureen Spielman:

meant to listen to this today. Because I was wondering what you

Maureen Spielman:

called it sometimes I called a rock bottom. That that like

Maureen Spielman:

skidding out I when I had gone through my health journey, I

Maureen Spielman:

felt I would always say like I felt it was like a time of

Maureen Spielman:

falling to my knees. It was just it was I was in such surrender.

Maureen Spielman:

But so many people are experiencing that right now. So

Maureen Spielman:

what you experienced in your life that led to your

Maureen Spielman:

reawakening your rebirthing what you know, I'm sure you have

Maureen Spielman:

beautiful names for that so many people are going through. And so

Maureen Spielman:

I love how you're describing, you're almost I always think of

Maureen Spielman:

like the like, then you were down here sort of at that

Maureen Spielman:

bottom. I don't even know if that's correct. But your ascent

Maureen Spielman:

back like the step the steps that got you and really leaning

Maureen Spielman:

into what life brought your way, but of creating it yourself as

Maureen Spielman:

well.

Unknown:

Yeah, I think that creating yours, I think it's

Unknown:

important, I think Maya Angelou talks about this aspect. And she

Unknown:

says that, you know, we always wonder if the transformation of

Unknown:

the butterfly, but we don't ask about like what the journey was.

Unknown:

And I'm paraphrasing. Yeah. So I think this is the time to like,

Unknown:

crawl into the thing and crawl into the journey. So we're not

Unknown:

experts. We're just people that are sharing our lived

Unknown:

experience. Yes. And are learning some things as a

Unknown:

collective. So my self awareness grows into this collective

Unknown:

awareness that's, like emergent. And so in order to do that, I

Unknown:

want to share from the place of not when I have the nice shiny

Unknown:

bow, which we can see a lot of that and I'm not negating that.

Unknown:

I'm just noticing there's a lot of that and personal

Unknown:

transformation. What about when you are, you know, picking

Unknown:

yourself up? What about when all your sticky notes fall on the

Unknown:

floor, your version of that, where you think, well, you're

Unknown:

using your best thinking is try to reinvent yourself or try to

Unknown:

pick yourself up. And it's like, it's not that and so what about

Unknown:

that space of awe? And I'm calling it on purpose. So we

Unknown:

have other words like Luke Like volatile, uncertain complex, and

Unknown:

I think that's true. But I also love this book about, ah, from

Unknown:

someone that's been studying it for 26 years. And he talks about

Unknown:

how in the art space and then not knowing what if we embrace

Unknown:

that, and just realize that something is trying to come into

Unknown:

our frame of reference to give us meaning we don't have the

Unknown:

meaning. We don't have it. But it's we're being inviting,

Unknown:

invited to experience it. And to, you know, whatever happens

Unknown:

from that point forward, like, I hesitate to even say, because

Unknown:

there's also a tendency of like, once I name it, then I control

Unknown:

it. And it doesn't feel like that's the next move in the

Unknown:

dance. It feels like what fit what feels real. And what's like

Unknown:

happening right now, in my world, and my sandboxes are the

Unknown:

recognition of something and the sharing it in the circle and

Unknown:

community. And then find like, oh, my gosh, I've experienced

Unknown:

that, too. I would call it this. Like, yeah, so you just like,

Unknown:

oh, wow, I'm that alone. And then you can like you can gather

Unknown:

and you can have community. And so it's like moving from that

Unknown:

the expert and moving to the let's build community around

Unknown:

these experiences, let's have transformational conversations,

Unknown:

vulnerable conversations, where we're telling the truth about

Unknown:

our experience, and not in the rush to like, let me see what's

Unknown:

there. So I can name it and package it and, you know,

Unknown:

whatever. It's like, what are the understandings that allow us

Unknown:

to really be in this time and our shared history, and that and

Unknown:

her story and their story? I just make them that's like, the

Unknown:

rhythm of like, right now. And so I talked about that in terms

Unknown:

of reps. So instead of making it so analytical and heavy, it's

Unknown:

like, what are the purpose reps that we're doing right now? So

Unknown:

you mentioned a couple that I talked about a lot, like, you

Unknown:

know, conditioning and deconditioning. Like, you know,

Unknown:

expanding our frame of reference, being able to compose

Unknown:

some ideas that maybe made sense at a certain point in time,

Unknown:

maybe I inherited them. But now we're open into like, wow, you

Unknown:

know, here's another way of being, here's another lens for

Unknown:

that. And that's just a graciousness, a gracious calling

Unknown:

in, that's allowing us to kind of decondition and again, about

Unknown:

that healing with ourselves. And I think that's really important,

Unknown:

like Dr. Gabor Ma Tei, I love him. And in his book, The Myth

Unknown:

of normal, I just listened to a beautiful conversation that he

Unknown:

was having facilitated by his daughter, beautiful. And so one

Unknown:

of the biggest sufferings, he asserts, is this lack of

Unknown:

belonging to ourselves, not from a narcissistic or, like totally

Unknown:

individualists way, but just like, in order to lend myself to

Unknown:

another, yes. Like I just the process of healing, and really

Unknown:

having an authentic sense of belonging and awareness. So that

Unknown:

can even have the presence and the availability and your worth

Unknown:

the spaciousness to be able to have authentic relations and

Unknown:

connections with others. Yeah.

Maureen Spielman:

And I think when we do that work that he

Maureen Spielman:

speaks of the inner healing, it is I know how it's assisted me

Maureen Spielman:

is to really take responsibility for you know, just myself, and

Maureen Spielman:

it has helped if I'm healing myself, I'm projecting on other

Maureen Spielman:

people less I'm looking to, I'm looking less to others to heal

Maureen Spielman:

something within me. And I take that on as my work. So it is the

Maureen Spielman:

both and it's the going in, or I love gabaars work as well. And

Maureen Spielman:

then I hear you talking a lot about this energy of the

Maureen Spielman:

collective and having the conversations and the vulnerable

Maureen Spielman:

spaces. I know this week, I have the privilege of assisting

Maureen Spielman:

someone who's opening up the conversations in a local school

Maureen Spielman:

about technology. And it is it's and she's going to be doing a

Maureen Spielman:

little circles and I'm also I love the other day, you have so

Maureen Spielman:

many of the purpose reps are so beautiful. I loved how you said

Maureen Spielman:

I think you used to call yourself a coach. But even that

Maureen Spielman:

now you're you're leaning towards doula. Will you tell the

Maureen Spielman:

audience why?

Unknown:

Yeah, sure. So just in this journey, to be the most in

Unknown:

integrity, and authenticity. And I just really, it's important to

Unknown:

me when working with clients, that they have an understanding,

Unknown:

an idea about the journey about the experience of working with

Unknown:

you. And I just was It's an authentic for me to say, coach,

Unknown:

it just says it just I can't do it. Because I want to honor the

Unknown:

sacredness of your journey. When you're talking about what are

Unknown:

you talking about that journey being purpose, whether you're

Unknown:

talking about that journey being your personal transformation, or

Unknown:

the transformation in systems, all of that is deeply sacred

Unknown:

work. And there isn't a dislike if I want to acknowledge that

Unknown:

there's a, an intelligence that's supporting me with

Unknown:

downloads, and I have a belief system that that's available for

Unknown:

every single person on the planet in the way that makes

Unknown:

sense for their design for their unique fingerprint, then I've

Unknown:

got to say, how do I work in service to that? How do I work

Unknown:

in partnership with that? How do I acknowledge that? Yes, there

Unknown:

are some things that I can provide some, some frameworks,

Unknown:

and some things. But guess what, we all get to birth our

Unknown:

transformations. And that's why I think I call all of my

Unknown:

programs began with unlocking. Yeah, because it's like when you

Unknown:

unlock you, that's like, teaching someone to fish

Unknown:

supporting someone learning how to fish because it's like, wow,

Unknown:

I want you to recognize when when sparks and nudges are

Unknown:

coming your way, in whatever way is meaningful for you, I want

Unknown:

you to discover and unlock your keys too often says

Unknown:

authenticity, your keys to agency, your keys to like, what

Unknown:

is mine to do in this precious time that I'm here on this earth

Unknown:

at this time? Yeah, because those things live in you, they

Unknown:

will expand in you, they will root within you. And that, to

Unknown:

me, is the thing that's important. Not like what is the

Unknown:

because I can tell you what I think all day. And you sound

Unknown:

really good. And there might not be anything close to what's

Unknown:

really happening with you as Yeah, I can't, you know, as but

Unknown:

versus here are some things that may help you to unlock, like,

Unknown:

what's happening with you your energetic blueprint, your path

Unknown:

to purpose journey that you can continue to have experiences

Unknown:

with. And so that's the thing to me that feels it just feels like

Unknown:

that's the way to be. Yeah, so I say doula, instead of instead of

Unknown:

poach,

Maureen Spielman:

it's beautiful. And it's so honoring

Maureen Spielman:

of the person in front of you. And I think of Gosh, what how

Maureen Spielman:

powerful we would be if we held on to some of these things, or

Maureen Spielman:

were taught these things from such an early age. And then I

Maureen Spielman:

also remembered the initiative you shared with me the other

Maureen Spielman:

day, and I think it was called purpose 2030. And some of the,

Maureen Spielman:

some of the information about that for the audience. But just

Maureen Spielman:

I just love the premise of it, if you would share.

Unknown:

Okay, yeah, I love sharing it today, because it's

Unknown:

also part of the story. So, purpose. 2030 was an initiative

Unknown:

that was created was a conference, it was a gathering

Unknown:

that was created by the folks at imperative. Aaron Hurst, the

Unknown:

person that wrote the purpose economy, was a co founder and

Unknown:

part of the leadership team at imperative. So this the firt,

Unknown:

one of the first journeys that I took, as a stroke survivor, so

Unknown:

by myself, was to Arizona to this conference. And it wasn't

Unknown:

like a conference, it was such a collaboration, such a we space,

Unknown:

a co creative space. And you know, we had all these different

Unknown:

themes, and people were gathering by whatever theme they

Unknown:

were called to. And so my theme had to do with, you know, how do

Unknown:

we expand this purpose consciousness. And what really

Unknown:

attracted me to that is that I had enough clients, I had enough

Unknown:

experience to know to notice a pattern. And the pattern was,

Unknown:

most of the clients would go back to an understanding that

Unknown:

they had when they were much younger, that they got

Unknown:

disconnected from for whatever reason, and that when they

Unknown:

started to explore purpose in their lives, and what that

Unknown:

really means for them, it was connected to something they

Unknown:

understood when they were younger. So the idea was, what

Unknown:

if we really focused on purpose with the next generation? What

Unknown:

if we focused on purpose with you? And you know, what would

Unknown:

that look like? If we didn't have to go back and remember,

Unknown:

absolutely, actually would, you know, what would that require?

Unknown:

And so, I think one of the requirements has to do with the

Unknown:

village, especially with younger peaks. So I created three books

Unknown:

for Three different milestones in ages one has to do with like,

Unknown:

pre K, grade school, and then middle school and high school.

Unknown:

So, you know, the younger that we are, and the less

Unknown:

conditioning that we have, we kind of have these ideas. And

Unknown:

then what if the village was really could see us, like lit up

Unknown:

little peeps lit up? And this understanding what will we do to

Unknown:

support that? So it's like an embodied experience through the

Unknown:

younger people that kind of helps wake us up, we wake up the

Unknown:

grownups and say, Hey, wait a minute, what if my child that

Unknown:

came through me, yeah, has a different purpose, a different

Unknown:

way of being a different understanding a different way of

Unknown:

being in the world? And, you know, my best thinking, and the

Unknown:

way that I'm designed, could actually be diverting them from

Unknown:

this trip. And so that's kind of like, what went into the origin

Unknown:

of like, some of those experiences and those workbooks

Unknown:

was really to highlight that, and it was just so juicy, juicy.

Maureen Spielman:

I love it. I can I just, I think of it's a

Maureen Spielman:

tie in with my conscious parenting training, but just

Maureen Spielman:

that even this premise of, you know, hold on, hold on, like

Maureen Spielman:

you're saying to the spark to the divine child in front of

Maureen Spielman:

you, they are here to teach us as much as we are them. And what

Maureen Spielman:

did they have to say? And what unique things do they have to

Maureen Spielman:

say? And I really am excited to read the books, how do you

Maureen Spielman:

implement, you know, just out do it doing that work? How do you

Maureen Spielman:

implement it and kind of offer it to society? What does that

Maureen Spielman:

look like? Yeah,

Unknown:

so it looks like so I've worked with library

Unknown:

systems, actually, because a lot of the library systems and

Unknown:

community they have community based programs for youth? And so

Unknown:

just like who are the who are the supporters who's like

Unknown:

already there? And how can we get those materials to them? So

Unknown:

that can augment, like the programs that they already had

Unknown:

that are in service to these youth? And like, that's been

Unknown:

really effective? And also it with that? So that's like the

Unknown:

group experience. But then also, what about the families?

Maureen Spielman:

Absolutely.

Unknown:

What about the families that are is no, let me just say

Unknown:

this. So the children's book, all the books have the same

Unknown:

experience, like a iki guy experience, where we're looking

Unknown:

at an exploring ourselves from these multiple lenses that kind

Unknown:

of come together. That's like the premise of it. So the idea

Unknown:

was that whether we're at the boardroom, whether we're at the

Unknown:

dinner table, or whether we're sitting in circle, like these

Unknown:

things are transferable knowledge and experience.

Unknown:

Absolutely, the answers are there. And even if someone

Unknown:

thinks it's something because the condition I love to see

Unknown:

younger peeps, decondition absolutely love it. And so it's

Unknown:

like, oh, wow, sometimes you think of like, this is what my

Unknown:

parent or so and so would want me to say, I'm gonna say this.

Unknown:

And then they start having an experience with it. Because I

Unknown:

give them these little, they had these little I had these little

Unknown:

capes and whatever. And this these clothing, be my type of

Unknown:

super, and you can write whatever your super was, and

Unknown:

your own language. Just that sense of agency kind of leads to

Unknown:

this. Yeah. though. It's this like, so the end of the workbook

Unknown:

says, Okay, so if any of these things changes, awareness, any

Unknown:

of these things changes. Guess what, guess what we do next? We

Unknown:

call? Yeah, and we have, we have another experience. And we get

Unknown:

to try it again. Yeah, parents and caregivers get to put their

Unknown:

capes on to because guess what we can do? We can create

Unknown:

experiences that exploit that that support this curiosity. We

Unknown:

can create experience like, Oh, you're into this, you're curious

Unknown:

about this? Oh, what can we do to have this experience for you?

Unknown:

So that growing up with that, as part of your lived experience, I

Unknown:

think is will elicit significant change for us if I didn't,

Maureen Spielman:

yeah, I do too. And I, I just love sharing

Maureen Spielman:

that resource. And thanks for going into how it shared and I,

Maureen Spielman:

it's so funny years ago, when Susan used to hold the circles

Maureen Spielman:

at her house. She had a book and she is going to be listening to

Maureen Spielman:

this and she'll remember what I'm talking about it, but it was

Maureen Spielman:

more of a softcover sort of book for younger people, children.

Maureen Spielman:

And it was about how the universe was birthed. Whatever

Maureen Spielman:

it was 13 billion years ago, and I took it and I put it on my

Maureen Spielman:

table. I can even see your books, even though they span

Maureen Spielman:

different ages. They're sort of for everybody. They They seem

Maureen Spielman:

like they'd be really good as coffee table books. Because when

Maureen Spielman:

you have something sitting out like that, these books are not

Maureen Spielman:

just, you know, for young kids, it's for all of us to rediscover

Maureen Spielman:

and reimagine.

Unknown:

Right? I know that kid and eat for the kid. And each of

Unknown:

us Yes,

Maureen Spielman:

and I. And I know we're nearing our the end

Maureen Spielman:

of our time I, I know you have the whole realm you work of with

Maureen Spielman:

human design and the gene keys, which is another fascinating

Maureen Spielman:

area. Then if you want to say a bit about that, even before we

Maureen Spielman:

get off, so the listeners can kind of get an idea of that

Maureen Spielman:

piece of your work, I'd love it.

Unknown:

So those two there transmissions, so these were

Unknown:

huge downloads, that really courageous people took and

Unknown:

broadly shared, before the science could catch up and say,

Unknown:

Wow, they're onto something. And so a deep, deep, deep bow of

Unknown:

gratitude to them. But they, but human design, to me, is a way of

Unknown:

understanding our energetic blueprint. And we have different

Unknown:

ones. And just knowing that they are, what the differences are,

Unknown:

to me is a form of agency. It's also a form of connection to

Unknown:

ourselves and to other people, because we realize, hey, I'm

Unknown:

connected this way, someone else may be connected a different

Unknown:

way. Because they're the stories that we're telling each other

Unknown:

about energy vampires were telling you about. I don't want

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someone to plug into me, and, and all these things. And those

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are real live experiences. And I don't want to downplay that,

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there's so much of a story of understanding. And even those

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experiences or invitations to tap in. And Human Design is a

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great way to understand some people are like Energizer

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bunnies. And we are energized when we're with them. And some

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people have different roles. And we all have a way of connecting

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to the spark of humanity in different ways. And that's human

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design. Gene keys is more about helping us to understand the

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path to purpose journey, it's a journey. It's a spiral journey,

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it happens over and over again. And when you understand just the

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knowledge and the imprinting that was bestowed to us at the

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time that we came into the world. And also about three

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months prior to that. It's this dance that will just oh my gosh,

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it's so juicy. And some of the tensions that we experienced as

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human beings, you will find our natural tensions and they

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actually work for us. And the jinkies is a great modality to

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understand that dance and to be able to understand what's really

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happening, you know, in our lives and our relationships with

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each other with each other, and how that connects to our overall

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well being and prosperity.

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Beautiful, I can't wait to dive into those

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human design and Gene keys for myself, I'm so excited, I will

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share with the audience what I shared with you. Because I was

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telling Dina that and my older sister Kelly can relate. We've

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been so frustrated finding our birth time. And whenever we

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wanted to do an astrological reading, or I know that the

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birth time is significant for both human design and Gene keys.

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And oh, I just found out I was born in the state of Indiana,

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but I gave a call to the health department and she said the

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reason that you don't have your birth time is because you've

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been ordering the short form. So within my state, there's a long

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form. So if you're anyone out there that's ever had anybody

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that this is significant for any difficulty finding your birth

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time, there is a longer form that's usually ordered through

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the state itself, not the county. So I thought that was

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kind of fascinating. And I've got mine on order. Yeah. I'm

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excited. I know. So Deena, where can people find you? I'll put

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everything any link that you have or want me to include on

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the show notes. But yeah, where can they find you?

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Um, www dot Dena Wiccans done that. And you'll

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find out about the kids programs, they are called be

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your type of super, you'll find out about the app that I've just

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launched that has intros into human design, Gene keys, no

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development goals, all type of juiciness because it's really

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important to me, for all of these beautiful, beautiful

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understandings to be accessible to as many people as possible.

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And you can find out about ways to get a private session with me

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as well. You can start to go on to the website to download and

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participate in the custom report. So all of these

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understandings kind of woven in with human design and jinkies

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and I'm super excited about have that.

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Yeah, thank you. It's all been so juicy

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luscious. I love it all. Thank you for being here and thanks to

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our listeners for being here. So good to have you Dina.

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This has been delicious. Thank you. Yeah,

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lunch.

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So fun. All right to our listeners. We'll

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see you next time. I hope you enjoyed the episode. Thanks for

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