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“I always wanted to offer a tool to my clients where they didn’t need me. You know, I want people—I know, everyone has the answers inside, just given the right environment,” says Letty Flohr, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to reveal her journey from a fast-paced Wall Street career to creating the transformative practice of cloud watching. Letty shares how the high-adrenaline lifestyle ultimately left her empty, sparking a quest for deeper meaning and holistic health that led her from corporate trading floors to studying spiritual psychology and coaching others toward genuine wellness.
On today’s episode, Letty describes how lying beneath the sky—eyes open, panoramic vision engaged—is not just restorative but can reliably reset the nervous system and unlock a profound sense of awe, wonder, and connection. She breaks down the science behind the method, including insights into how visual mode influences the brain’s vigilance and calm, and why walking the edge between activity and regeneration is critical for sustainable health. Letty shares stories from her coaching and academic research, showing how cloud watching can empower anyone—especially the high-performing, burnt-out individuals—to reclaim their inner balance.
Tune in to learn more about how cloud watching became Letty’s “portable paradise,” why awe is a basic human need, and how shifting your sensory focus to the sky might be your simplest, most powerful tool for calm and connection.
5 Key Takeaways
Change Your Perspective—Lie Down and Look Up.
Rediscover awe and presence: take five minutes today to lie down outdoors and gaze at the sky, letting panoramic vision reset your body and mind.
Make Restoration Non-Negotiable.
Burnout isn't a badge of honor—schedule daily cloud watching or restorative practice to witness your own calm, not just collapse into sleep.
Tune Into Your Body’s Inner Signals.
Go beyond routines—ask yourself what you truly feel and need before pushing harder; use tools like breath, heart rate awareness, or simply listening to your body’s rhythms.
Empower Yourself—Don’t Outsource Your Peace.
Stop relying on quick fixes; cultivate practices (like Letty’s method) that teach you to self-regulate and access inner balance on your own terms.
Pursue Awe Like It’s Daily Nutrition.
Don’t wait for an epic vacation to feel wonder—seek moments of beauty, connection, and amazement in the everyday. Your soul needs it as much as your body needs food.
Memorable Quotes
I realized at that moment that the promotion was no longer my path. I had this idea of what success looked like, wanted the validation, and did all that—but then realized I just felt empty. It was a wake-up call, which was really important.
I wanted to educate and empower my clients so they could be their own personal expert of their own body. Show them tools of awareness, help them connect with what they truly wanted—and not just lose weight or get in shape because of external pressure.
Cloud watching gives people a way to slow down and be present. It’s about comfort, safety, and panoramic vision—lying down, looking at the sky, engaging all the senses. You witness your own calm and begin to cultivate inner peace, not just chase it.
Connect with Letty
Website: https://www.thecloudwatchingmethod.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecloudwatchingmethod/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM7hYw8WZjlUPTjcLNe8m8g
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thecloudwatchingmethod
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/@thecloudwatchingmethod
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Resources Mentioned
Cloudwatching™ Method App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/cloudwatching-method/id6474274027
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Hi, Lady Flor. Welcome to the QVC podcast.
Speaker:Thank you. I'm so delighted to be here. Meredith, thank you so much for having
Speaker:me on your podcast. Oh, my pleasure. I just
Speaker:love finding really little interesting
Speaker:hidden stories of people who completely
Speaker:changed their lives, driven by their intuition and
Speaker:stories. So you have gone from a busy
Speaker:Wall street career fully in the mainstream,
Speaker:and then deep in Manhattan, and now
Speaker:you promote. You have a beautiful program called Cloud Watching.
Speaker:Correct. I would love to dig into
Speaker:that trajectory. Of course. So tell me
Speaker:about what it was like, your life was like working on Wall Street.
Speaker:So my daily, you know, I was living in Lower MANH
Speaker:in my 20s, you know, and I loved working on Wall street at the time.
Speaker:It was fun. And I was a pretty junior person, even though I was a
Speaker:commercial paper trader, one of those investment
Speaker:banking brokerage firms. And being junior was
Speaker:great because you got to learn so much from all these smart people.
Speaker:So my day would start off, you know, like at four
Speaker:in the morning, you know, I would leave the
Speaker:house in the dark. I would, you know, the newsstand was just like,
Speaker:you know, block away. And I would wait until the New York Times and the
Speaker:Financial Times and a Wall Street Journal showed up.
Speaker:You know, you could see the truck just, boom, putting it on the street. And
Speaker:then I would grab my paper, jump in a cab and. And get to work.
Speaker:And I didn't have to do all that, you know, to get to work so
Speaker:early, but I just wanted to, like, be my best
Speaker:at my job. So I would show up
Speaker:and then read the paper, highlight them with, you know, yellow
Speaker:highlighters, all the news. I might even share it with
Speaker:my co workers who covered some of the accounts. And
Speaker:then I would go and work out, you know, for like an hour at the
Speaker:gym. There's a gym right in the building and would just run,
Speaker:just burn off that stress. And then I would show
Speaker:up, you know, with my hair blown dry. And I
Speaker:would start the day because the meeting started at 8.
Speaker:And it was just. Just imagine a trading floor with 400
Speaker:people screaming and yelling,
Speaker:prices. And basically my role as a commercial
Speaker:paper trader was to help corporations
Speaker:and banks raise funds anywhere from overnight
Speaker:to nine months. And then I would have
Speaker:tons of salesforce that would help me. Kind
Speaker:of like I was a financial matchmaker, you know, some people needed
Speaker:money, some people want to invest money and kind of put them together, you
Speaker:know. And of course, if you did the wrong price, you would lose the
Speaker:sale or people would yell at you. Basically. It
Speaker:was very transparent back then, you know, right yeah. So
Speaker:you were kind of in the hot seat from 8 to 11 o', clock, you
Speaker:know, and then from 11 to 12, you
Speaker:just made sure all the trades settle. And then there was no errors,
Speaker:precision, fast pace. It was
Speaker:adrenaline rush every single day. And I think at that age, I thought it was
Speaker:fun. I had no idea.
Speaker:Then we have lunch and then the next, you know, four hours, you're just
Speaker:basically preparing for the next. Next sale, for the next day.
Speaker:But what was interesting was that
Speaker:it felt like a very complete job. It wasn't like nowadays where you
Speaker:have this ongoing project, projects. It was like selling
Speaker:widgets. You know, you had a beginning, a middle and an end. As
Speaker:stressful as it was. Yeah, there was something nice about that. When you went home
Speaker:at five, things closed. It wasn't like
Speaker:now where all the markets are 24 hours and everything is online.
Speaker:There's no pause between news updates waiting for the next morning papers. It's
Speaker:just boom, boom, boom all the time. Exactly.
Speaker:And then at 5 o' clock I would just go work out again.
Speaker:I know that was my own. This is a
Speaker:driven young woman I'm hearing. Yeah, I was such a
Speaker:doer and I thought more was better, you know, I, you know, I thought if
Speaker:I could look my best and be
Speaker:fit and fittest person, human being, that I thought
Speaker:I would perform well at work because you really needed that bandwidth to really
Speaker:excel at that job. So I ate really well. I had
Speaker:a friend who, you know, turned me into organic farmers.
Speaker:You know, this is back in the 80s. And, you know, she was like, hey,
Speaker:here's Joe. He, you know, sells all these heirloom
Speaker:tomatoes that I didn't even know about, you know. Fabulous. Yeah.
Speaker:So I focused on eating and there was a lot of also organic
Speaker:restaurants in New York, believe it or not, Angelica's and Health Pub.
Speaker:So it's really easy to eat clean back then.
Speaker:So I had that going and I would sleep by nine every night,
Speaker:you know. Right. 30, getting up at four. Yeah,
Speaker:basically. So that was my life. I
Speaker:think I spent most of my money just working out. Nutritionist,
Speaker:chiropractor, just the physical. So you were always really
Speaker:into health. Yeah, yeah. I think, you know, this is,
Speaker:I think this is such an important piece of the story because so many people,
Speaker:myself included, when I talk to them,
Speaker:it's like your 20s are this driven time. Whether
Speaker:you're chasing little children or building a career or
Speaker:it's just like we put all of our energy into this
Speaker:doing and it just seems to be sort of like the rite of passage.
Speaker:And we have, at that age, the energy to do it. And then what I
Speaker:hear over and over is that at a certain point,
Speaker:and this was so true for me, like, it catches up with you.
Speaker:Yeah. And your body and your spirit is like,
Speaker:what is this? So I just want to highlight that because I
Speaker:think your story is really a lot of people's story, and I'm loving these
Speaker:details of 1980s Wall Street. Oh, my God, it's so good.
Speaker:Yeah, I was a little bit of a rebel, so I didn't wear the blue
Speaker:suit I used to. Just because I didn't want to take my job seriously. Seriously.
Speaker:So I used to have, like, little hello Kitty, you know, little purse.
Speaker:I did silly things because, you know, you're working mostly with men. Yeah.
Speaker:Really serious, really intense. So, like I said, I
Speaker:spent most of my money on personal training and nutritionist and just kind
Speaker:of. I ran from one appointment to another just to get fixed,
Speaker:you know, so I could recharge, you know, so, you know, that's
Speaker:all I did, thinking the physical was the only way, you know,
Speaker:so. So there was. And that's a really good point, too. Sorry to just. Because
Speaker:I think that's where a lot of us start. It's like, oh, wait, I'm starting
Speaker:to notice a few little with my lifestyle. And so
Speaker:I'll. Yeah, I'll go to the chiropractor, I'll fix my food. I'll do these things.
Speaker:And then I can just keep doing what I'm doing because I'm adding in these
Speaker:interventions. Yeah, exactly. You know,
Speaker:so anytime I had. Yeah, I would make a call, hey, I really need you,
Speaker:you know? You know? You know, so then I was stressed running from one
Speaker:into another. So how good is that? You know? Yes.
Speaker:It made no sense. But in my late 20s, my
Speaker:boss called me into the office, and, you know, that rarely happens, so
Speaker:I didn't know what to expect. You know, he brings me into his office, I
Speaker:sit down, and he says, congratulations, Letty,
Speaker:you're promoted to vice president. And I'm like,
Speaker:wait, this is like, two, three years ahead of my timeline,
Speaker:you know, so I'm not registering. You know,
Speaker:I love it. You're a
Speaker:timeline person. Like, this is gonna happen, and then this is gonna happen. My life
Speaker:was just total chaos all the time. I never know. So I'm so intrigued by
Speaker:people who plan these things out. Exactly.
Speaker:So I. My brain went to, hey, this is another prank.
Speaker:I mean, because on Wall street, there was just so many pranks going on. On
Speaker:people. So, okay, I forgot he was my
Speaker:boss and I walked out laughing, you
Speaker:know. I'm promoted.
Speaker:Hahaha. Okay. Exactly. Oh, that's funny. Like you even have a box of
Speaker:business card. That's like hysterical. So I walk out and
Speaker:then he's chasing me down. At this point he's just upset.
Speaker:So he finally, you know, it kind of ended like, congratulations,
Speaker:here's your cards. That was my
Speaker:promotion. You're like, oh, you're, you're serious about this?
Speaker:And he's like, why isn't she more excited?
Speaker:So I think I was expecting like, I don't know, like
Speaker:balloons and streamers and world peace or I don't know,
Speaker:had all this, like, looking for love in all the wrong places. As cliche as
Speaker:that sound, I think I poured all my heart and soul, like you said in
Speaker:our 20s, thinking, Wow. I mean, it
Speaker:took me a while but like that Chinese title didn't mean much
Speaker:anymore. And it was more like
Speaker:this. It, like, you know, it was a little scary. Like, is there
Speaker:all this? Is it? And I thought, do I want another
Speaker:promotion? No. You know, and I realized at that moment
Speaker:that that was no longer my path.
Speaker:It didn't make any sense at all. I think, you know, I had this idea
Speaker:of what success looked like and I wanted the validation from the world.
Speaker:So I did all that and then realized I just felt empty.
Speaker:So it was really sad. But at the same time it, you know, it was
Speaker:a wake up call, which was really important, you know?
Speaker:Yes. Yeah. And that's amazing. That's actually
Speaker:quite young to have that insight into your life.
Speaker:Into life. And that when we have those
Speaker:external goals which, you know, I, I worked as an executive
Speaker:coach, so I believe in goals. However,
Speaker:they're not, they're not everything.
Speaker:And so I think when we make them everything
Speaker:and then we reach them and it's just a
Speaker:drop in the bucket. Yeah, it can, I mean, that
Speaker:can be a bit of a dark night of the soul. Yeah, it really was.
Speaker:I think my only saving grace was during that time I was
Speaker:going to a hiking boot camp. They had this super hiking week. Of
Speaker:course, you know, I had to do the super hiking week where you hike like
Speaker:18, like, I think it was 12 to 18 miles a day and
Speaker:yoga for an hour and a half. It was called the ashram and calabasas.
Speaker:And then you like get massage for an hour and then you do weightlifting for
Speaker:an hour and. And they ate, you know, we ate very sparingly. Was the whole
Speaker:idea was like, work your Body and you know, detox
Speaker:and all that. So funny.
Speaker:You're like flashing me back to when we lived in Hong Kong and I was
Speaker:surrounded by these like hyper competitive people. And I would come home
Speaker:and my husband's like, what's up? And I'm like, apparently yoga is
Speaker:competitive. Like everyone, like
Speaker:everything was like, they would have just. Yeah, they wouldn't just run.
Speaker:They would do these like these things where you ran
Speaker:24 miles a day in the desert and like all these crazy things. Something.
Speaker:What's happening? But this is the mindset. Okay,
Speaker:yeah, it was definitely that mindset. But you know, it was funny. I remember
Speaker:the owner looking at us and said, you know, we could do this the easy
Speaker:way, but you know, there was like 11 type A's there, right?
Speaker:And he, but you guys want it the hard way, so have it,
Speaker:have a go at it, you know, and she was like this 70 year old
Speaker:woman that we used to hike with her and she used to just bolt. I
Speaker:mean, we were all in amazing shape and you know, she just could
Speaker:like surpass all of us. It was amazing, you know, but she
Speaker:had the wisdom to look at us and go, okay, you want the painful way?
Speaker:Let's, let's do that. You know, let's beat this out of here. You're
Speaker:not going to be happy unless it hurts and then you have to win the
Speaker:hike. Exactly. But the blessing part of
Speaker:that trip was because I was in that, like, what am I going to do
Speaker:next? It was really great to be
Speaker:outdoors, right? Open sky, wooded
Speaker:area, hiking 12 to 18 miles. Yes. But you just
Speaker:immersed. I was immersed in nature and I got to like,
Speaker:after, you know, you do the workout, then you start to like deal with your
Speaker:mind. Right. Because it, you know, and, and I got to really
Speaker:kind of go deeper and deeper because your defenses go down and
Speaker:then you start to get in touch with your intuition, you know,
Speaker:and, and the big question was, what if,
Speaker:you know, what if I moved to California? What if
Speaker:I quit Wall Street? You know, and all these what ifs came
Speaker:up. And one of the
Speaker:person I got really close to, she asked me, she said, well, what do you
Speaker:want to do? You know, what do you like to do? She said, and I
Speaker:said, I love working out, you know, and she said, well, why don't
Speaker:you help others do that? And I was like, oh,
Speaker:that makes sense because I've been like training for years with
Speaker:amazing physiologists and exercise people and
Speaker:that just clicked. So I packed up my bags
Speaker:like within a month, took My last bonus from
Speaker:Wall street and I went to California. I had no idea what I was
Speaker:going to do. I mean, I kind of knew. And then one thing led to
Speaker:another and I ended up signing up for a master's in spiritual
Speaker:psychology. Took a bunch of personal growth
Speaker:programs and I really realized there's more than the physical body.
Speaker:I had a lot of inner work to do. It was
Speaker:time to take a breath and just
Speaker:like what's inside. Not
Speaker:any programming I had from childhood or anything, I told
Speaker:myself, but what is really present
Speaker:for me. And it was just a whole time of self
Speaker:discovery was exciting time because no one knew
Speaker:me too. So I could be anyone I wanted to be, which was kind of
Speaker:fun. It wasn't like, oh yeah, Letty, the driven Wall street
Speaker:trader, you know, Right. You know, I could just be sort of
Speaker:free. I dressed differently. I, you know, kind of let my hair go
Speaker:wild and you know, I didn't wear the perfect outfit. I just start
Speaker:to kind of cut loose, you know, just came out of the box, so
Speaker:to speak, you know. So it's very freeing.
Speaker:Wow. And then what happened? And then
Speaker:I'm, you know, I opened a business
Speaker:while going to Masters of Spiritual Science. I mean spiritual psychology.
Speaker:I opened a business called Soul to Soul. S O L E
Speaker:to S O U L And I
Speaker:start to work with clients not just physically, you know, not just
Speaker:taking them on guided hikes or lifting weights, but
Speaker:I really want to see them as a whole person. I think that's what spiritual
Speaker:psychology taught me is to see the person as a soul,
Speaker:a spiritual being having a human experience
Speaker:rather than the other way around, which I thought
Speaker:was before this whole thing happened. And
Speaker:I could relate to who they were. Most of my clients were
Speaker:busy executives with a lot of decision
Speaker:making responsibilities and they just need
Speaker:help. And I didn't want to just help them. I wanted to
Speaker:educate them, empower them so they can be their
Speaker:own personal, not trainer, but personal expert of their own
Speaker:body. Like show them tools of awareness. You know,
Speaker:it could be like heartbeat monitor or you know, just having
Speaker:them say, hey, when you lift, what do you feel? You know, those kind of
Speaker:things. And, and also people came to me
Speaker:because they wanted to lose weight or get in shape. And my big
Speaker:question was, why, you know, why do you want to lose
Speaker:weight? Why do you want to get in shape? And first it might be something
Speaker:like, oh, I want to look good or I want to have confidence. But
Speaker:when you kept asking the why you, you got to
Speaker:learn about the person's truth. You know, like,
Speaker:maybe they're looking for a life partner or
Speaker:someone has a book they've been meaning to write, you know,
Speaker:so you find out that, you know, they had this
Speaker:weight or this not being shaped as a barrier
Speaker:between them and their dreams,
Speaker:you know, So I would invite them to, hey, as we
Speaker:train, if you want to write a book, maybe
Speaker:sit at your desk for five minutes with a paper and pen, you don't have
Speaker:to write anything. Just show up. Because we all know showing up is the hardest
Speaker:part, Right? So. So that was kind of fun,
Speaker:just learning about what do people want and why,
Speaker:and have them really take those little actionable steps
Speaker:while they're transforming physically, so they really build that inner
Speaker:and outer trust. So it was kind of
Speaker:like a puzzle. It was just a lot of fun. I just loved my clients
Speaker:because I could see their beauty and how hard they're working.
Speaker:And I also wanted. I think that's the kind of support I wanted when I
Speaker:was almost. So it was very, you know,
Speaker:validating, and I felt grateful to be of service in that way. It was kind
Speaker:of like full circle. Yes.
Speaker:And you were. I mean, as so many of us do, you became the person
Speaker:you wished you had. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:That's right. You know, we do that with mother parenting. Yes. You
Speaker:know, in every areas of our life. And so I felt very
Speaker:honored. You know, I always felt privileged to. That they trust me
Speaker:enough to, you know, for them to open up, to let
Speaker:go. And in spiritual psychology, one thing that was really important
Speaker:is to really create that loving, safe space,
Speaker:because without that, you know, that physical and
Speaker:psychological comfort and safety, nothing happens,
Speaker:you know? Yeah. So that was really important.
Speaker:And, you know, if. If that can't be established. And, yeah, you can
Speaker:lift weights all day long, but it's. You're not going to have that connection.
Speaker:So I felt really. I think having the Asian background, I already
Speaker:had that kind of humbleness that came with me. So I think
Speaker:for. Not to put all on that, but because of my personality and
Speaker:my desire to be of service, I think people kind of got that there was
Speaker:a mutual trust and respect of, like, okay,
Speaker:you're going to be my teacher. And I saw them as my teacher
Speaker:because it was kind of a laboratory of, like, how can I
Speaker:be of service physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually to this
Speaker:person? And I felt really honored to have that role.
Speaker:I love that. And I think it's really,
Speaker:you know, something that I think about a lot just from my own personal
Speaker:experiences. I think sometimes when we move into the
Speaker:into a more spiritually based life. Uh,
Speaker:we tend to, to judge people who do work in a
Speaker:corporate structure or who do work in, in something that
Speaker:is not that we don't consider to fit into that.
Speaker:And you know what, when
Speaker:I see what people in corporate life have
Speaker:to do like that it, these are some very
Speaker:high level spiritual. Yes.
Speaker:Challenges. You know, I mean you could, you are
Speaker:getting continuous feedback on your performance,
Speaker:on your work, on, you know, it's it.
Speaker:And so I think the souls who sign up to do that are like,
Speaker:like quite, quite hearty actually.
Speaker:It's worth acknowledging that. Yeah. And
Speaker:I think it's, you know, to really want
Speaker:more. I mean I think inwardly they know they, it could be
Speaker:better. Is that yearning like it has to be better, you
Speaker:know, and I think asking for help is a huge step.
Speaker:Yes. Because there's finding that balance. Right.
Speaker:Like I'm married to someone who lives in that world and who works in that
Speaker:world. And you know, I've worked with lots of women
Speaker:and they, they get a, they source a lot
Speaker:of satisfaction from their job. It's not like they, I mean some
Speaker:people like you are like, you know what, I'm out. But some people like,
Speaker:they really do source lot of satisfaction from it. But if that's the
Speaker:only channel, then you will
Speaker:burn out or you will, at some point, you know, life is
Speaker:going to feel
Speaker:uncomfortable. And so what I see you have you doing is
Speaker:like opening up some other dimensions so they can
Speaker:continue to do their job and be effective but also become a more
Speaker:whole and not just have that be the only channel
Speaker:of their, of their worth and their purpose and their energy.
Speaker:Like how, how did you see that play out with these
Speaker:types of clients? And I know a lot of people listening are coaches
Speaker:and work with people. So I think this is really beautiful insight into that world.
Speaker:Yeah. I think, you know, what I learned is that a lot of people showed
Speaker:up pretty burnt out. You can't really push them. You can't say like 10 more
Speaker:push ups. I mean I'm not gonna. My intention was to regenerate
Speaker:them, not to deplete them. So in the beginning it might be just gentle
Speaker:walks and stretching. And I would put them in restore of yoga, which,
Speaker:which was a way of lying down, but it's opposite of cloud
Speaker:watching. You're, you know, you're basically closing all your senses. You know,
Speaker:you cover your eyes, you put them in very
Speaker:relaxing mode and you're just shutting the world and going
Speaker:inward. Sort of like meditation. But most of the time when I would put them
Speaker:in that position at the very end of the training, they would just pass out.
Speaker:And as wonderful as I was happy that they finally rested,
Speaker:there was, you know, this concern of like, hey, it would be so
Speaker:cool if they could witness their own calm,
Speaker:you know, not just be unconscious, but
Speaker:to witness it. I think that's one thing cloud watching I'm able
Speaker:to give to my clients is that because their eyes are open
Speaker:and they're lying down, it keeps them alert. But in that
Speaker:quiet state, it's like a quiet alertness. So
Speaker:a lot of times, I think when you said about my former clients,
Speaker:I think the most important thing is I would do kind of a reality check.
Speaker:Like, hey, what time are you sleeping? How's your water intake? You know, all the
Speaker:basics first, right? And I think I was
Speaker:very big on sleep, just making sure they slept early, that sort of thing.
Speaker:But really I could tell, like, I wouldn't want to
Speaker:push them physically. But then they're, they're like, letty, I want a bigger workout.
Speaker:I said, you gotta sleep more. You gotta. Good for you. You
Speaker:know, I was very kind of strict about that. And I could tell. I would
Speaker:put them on a heart rate monitor. I could tell they couldn't handle after, you
Speaker:know, their heart rate went too up. So we had all this feedback
Speaker:to see, like, hey, you know, they might think they're fine,
Speaker:but their body's not saying so. So I got to have
Speaker:different ways where I could measure or I would have them do simple,
Speaker:you know, body strengthening exercise. And after a couple, you know,
Speaker:they were cooked. So then, you know, I had to find
Speaker:a way to modify it but make it still challenging. I think
Speaker:some of my personal trainers who trained me really taught me how to
Speaker:work on the edge. Like, not over
Speaker:and not too easy, right? Is that perfect rhythm?
Speaker:And I remember, I mean, I think just looking at the personal
Speaker:expression, person's expression, how they're
Speaker:breathing, it gave me a lot of clues. So.
Speaker:And then I also put that tool over to them and say,
Speaker:hey, how hard do you. You think you're working? And I wouldn't let them see
Speaker:the heart rate monitor. And at some point they would be able to
Speaker:guess where their pulse rate was. I really wanted them to
Speaker:be in tune with your body and use breath
Speaker:and just really celebrate it, you know, just so it was,
Speaker:it was really fun. It was kind of like, we're both, you know, on
Speaker:this journey and say, hey, what makes you thrive and
Speaker:what, you know, doesn't? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:And you're you are really being what true healing is,
Speaker:which is empowering them to know their
Speaker:own selves and to know their own bodies. Yeah,
Speaker:that was my goal. Have to rely on. On other people or other
Speaker:things, but to. To help them cultivate that inner relationship
Speaker:themselves. Yeah, I think that's what I wanted when I was on Wall street
Speaker:is I didn't want to go and get fixed. I wanted someone to teach
Speaker:me how can I be peaceful no matter what's happening in my life,
Speaker:and not have to run, you know, 10 miles, you know,
Speaker:because it wasn't sustainable. So it was really about,
Speaker:you know, just really knowing that there are different tools. And I think I
Speaker:kind of became the tool lady. Like, oh, if you have this, try this, you
Speaker:know, and. And see what resonate for them, you know, was really about
Speaker:listening to what they like to do, because otherwise they won't stick
Speaker:to it. Right. Yeah. So really figuring out what they
Speaker:enjoy and then putting more of that in there in their program.
Speaker:So it was a lot of fun. Really fun. Yeah. And
Speaker:then that. That competitive spirit is sourced
Speaker:from. From a place of sustainable energy and
Speaker:inspired action. Yeah, definitely. As opposed
Speaker:to just chasing the next promotion, which is, as you
Speaker:beautifully illustrated, not always gonna. It's not gonna pan
Speaker:out for sure. Yeah, I learned the hard way. But I think what's good
Speaker:about doing, you know, putting a hundred percent, you find out pretty
Speaker:quickly what works and what doesn't work. So as much as, you know, it
Speaker:was my downfall, it was also I didn't do 80%. I didn't. I
Speaker:did a hundred percent. So I was all in. And I think there's
Speaker:significance of just going all in. Even if it's the wrong thing. You.
Speaker:You totally. I totally agree. I
Speaker:mean, listen, if it's a time of pause, it's a time of pause. But other
Speaker:than that, it's, I think, always better to do stuff. And if
Speaker:it's not the thing, you're gonna find out really quickly.
Speaker:Exactly. And the more of yourself you put into it, the faster
Speaker:you will know. Yeah, I love it. Right? And that's true.
Speaker:That's probably why you learned so young, is because you were. You
Speaker:were like, all in
Speaker:fact was like, oh, pretty. Yeah, it was.
Speaker:And I'm super sensitive too, so. Yeah. And after
Speaker:I did 10 years of personal training and life coaching, you know,
Speaker:I had my daughter in my early 40s, and I was like, okay. I had
Speaker:three careers by then, you know, I was a retail executive, Wall street. And then,
Speaker:you know, life coach and trainer, and I said, I'm gonna really enjoy this
Speaker:mothering, you know. So then I treated my heels
Speaker:for, you know, garden clogs, you know,
Speaker:you know, like, I, I don't know if I even looked in the mirror. But
Speaker:I got into this whole radical homemaking, though. Again, I got
Speaker:100% right. You're all in. I hear you.
Speaker:So, like, pulled out all the. A lot of us are relating. Yeah,
Speaker:Like, I'm going all the way down the rabbit hole. Exactly,
Speaker:exactly. So I was determined my daughter was going to have
Speaker:organic, you know, food from the garden, you know, and
Speaker:so I pulled out the front yard, you know, found
Speaker:this amazing. I do have a knack of finding amazing people. I know you do
Speaker:too. And found this amazing organic
Speaker:farmer. And she, like, really helped me put it together with compost
Speaker:piles. Within six months, we had like, you know, just amazing
Speaker:garden because it's like this double digging process, you know, we did, you know, the
Speaker:complicated method, grew from seed and my daughter used to
Speaker:literally go out with a plate and just, you know,
Speaker:put it on and eat it in the garden and found that so deeply
Speaker:satisfying. Yes. You know, it's just a lot of
Speaker:fun. And. Yeah. And now, I mean, this
Speaker:audience knows all of the benefits of that,
Speaker:of eating locally and seasonally and what you've just grown
Speaker:from a nutritional standpoint, from a quantum biology standpoint,
Speaker:from a like microbiome. I mean, it just.
Speaker:Yeah, it's the best medicine. Yeah, I really
Speaker:had. But yeah, it was, it was interesting, you know, I mean, I
Speaker:had my fingernails instead of manicured. It was like dirt,
Speaker:soil stained that you can't even wash out. I mean, you go, you have to
Speaker:go to a fancy dinner and you can't scrub it out.
Speaker:But, but I really enjoyed that part. It was
Speaker:really, really fun. And then,
Speaker:you know, I think my daughter was really a great teacher for me, you
Speaker:know, of how to balance in a
Speaker:greater way. You know, just, I got to mother her
Speaker:in a way that I always wanted to be mothered. You know, it was just
Speaker:very healing. So I really embraced that part of my life.
Speaker:But around when she was five years old, I knew it was time to get
Speaker:some education. So I started a doctor spiritual
Speaker:science program. And I wanted to go deeper in
Speaker:meditation and really learn more of
Speaker:the subtleties of spirituality, you know,
Speaker:learn more about myself as a multi dimensional human being.
Speaker:And so I did that. And around that time,
Speaker:long story, so I don't want to go into that, but we had lost our
Speaker:home rather suddenly, but that's another
Speaker:story. And, and the stress came back up
Speaker:in my life. You know, we were in a rental, and,
Speaker:you know, I was looking for a house to buy in a seller's market.
Speaker:And, you know, my dad, who was in his 80s, who was really
Speaker:quite independent, became needed a lot of care.
Speaker:And my daughter all of a sudden wanted to be homeschooled.
Speaker:So I'm like, well, I don't even know what homeschool is.
Speaker:And. But there was this wilderness training she wanted to be part of. Every Friday
Speaker:from 9 to 4, you're in the woods and learning about trees and
Speaker:plants and building forts and making salves and, you know,
Speaker:making acorn pancakes. I mean, it was just this whole thing, right?
Speaker:Yeah. So I thought, okay, we're going to do that. And meanwhile, there's just
Speaker:a lot going on. So around the time, that's when I went
Speaker:backwards in terms of circadian rhythm. Right. All of a sudden,
Speaker:I don't want to be looking at my computer when my daughter's up. So
Speaker:I'm researching in the middle of the night, you know,
Speaker:no bluebacher glasses, right.
Speaker:And. And just researching till 2 in the morning. And then
Speaker:at 6 in the morning, I'd be like, I can't get up. It felt like
Speaker:an Olympic event, you know, like, I cannot get out. And I didn't know what
Speaker:I was doing to myself because I was hiking every morning.
Speaker:I meditated, I ate healthy, but I didn't make
Speaker:that circadian rhythm connection at the time, you
Speaker:know? Yeah. And so that went on. I had dry
Speaker:eyes, I had insomnia, and, you know, I had no clue,
Speaker:like, what's wrong with me. You know, I got a sauna. You know, I tried
Speaker:everything, right. So.
Speaker:So then, you know, one day I dropped off my daughter at choir
Speaker:practice, and I, you know, decided to take a nap. I was so exhausted,
Speaker:you know, So I go to a park, lay down the picnic blanket.
Speaker:I lie down, and before I got to close my eyes, I saw the sky.
Speaker:As if it was the first time I saw the sky. I think it was
Speaker:all that light, you know, I was so used to being indoors, sitting,
Speaker:you know, with artificial lighting, and all of a sudden, this
Speaker:glorious, you know, panoramic vision.
Speaker:I just felt like I could have. I felt like I was at the Grand
Speaker:Canyon. For me, it was. It was that spectacular.
Speaker:And I was just in elation and joy and.
Speaker:And I felt like I was in the best concert ever. It was really
Speaker:exquisite, and it was all happening, you know, see the
Speaker:dancing leaves and the fresh air and all the
Speaker:senses Were awakened and engaged. And I realized that got
Speaker:me really present. And I felt like instead of
Speaker:hurried, I was slowing down.
Speaker:Instead of tense, I was relaxed.
Speaker:So just, you know, I just felt like a different person for
Speaker:20 minutes. And the whole time, I. There was a voice in me because
Speaker:my mind is active, saying, I don't want to stand. I don't want this
Speaker:to end, you know, and
Speaker:so that stayed with me. I didn't think much of it. I packed up my
Speaker:picnic blanket, I walked back to my car, and I had this bounce in my
Speaker:step, and I had this joy in my heart. And I was
Speaker:like, wow, that's. I just thought, that's amazing. But I didn't
Speaker:think much of it. So I was doing it once a week, and I thought,
Speaker:oh, you know, this is really nice. I love it. It's just, you know,
Speaker:and then when things got rough, I just started to do it every day.
Speaker:You know, I had a meditation practice, so that's still solid.
Speaker:But there was something amazing about doing the opposite. Right.
Speaker:Instead of sitting, you're lying down, and cloud watching, you're lying down.
Speaker:Instead of looking at something up close, like a phone, you're taking the
Speaker:panoramic vision, you know, instead of
Speaker:being indoors in artificial light, you're
Speaker:outdoors. Instead of,
Speaker:you know, streaming something or having information coming
Speaker:outside of you, I start downloading my own thoughts and feelings,
Speaker:you know, and then, because I had the restore of yoga background, knew how important
Speaker:comfort and safety was. So when you have your eyes open, you
Speaker:naturally go into a safety mode. And I didn't know that until I started
Speaker:following Huberman, Andrew Huberman, who's
Speaker:really, you know, professor of ophthalmology. And he was telling me
Speaker:there's two. Two ways to go into a quick reset to calm
Speaker:state in real time. I don't think I have his exact words. He said, breathing
Speaker:or vision mode, panoramic vision. And I
Speaker:went, oh, that's what cloud watching does.
Speaker:That's what's happening. Yeah. I didn't know that. When a
Speaker:piece of science drops in. Yeah. And just anchors in
Speaker:a practice that's been making intuitive sense. I love that.
Speaker:Yeah. So I was. It's like, oh. He said, you know, it turns off
Speaker:the vigilant mode in your brainstem and also
Speaker:has a sense of slowing time,
Speaker:you know, and. And also metaphorically, when you
Speaker:look, you take in the whole scene at once, and you're
Speaker:part of that scene because you're zooming out. But when you look at the
Speaker:phone, you're zooming in. You're no longer part of that scene.
Speaker:Everything else is blurred out. You no longer feel safe.
Speaker:So it really made sense of like, okay, it's not only
Speaker:what you're looking at. I was looking at something really beautiful. But
Speaker:it will also, what vision mode was it the hard
Speaker:focus or was this the soft focus?
Speaker:You know, and I realized, oh, that's another
Speaker:element. Lying down, you know, you relax your muscles,
Speaker:lower your heart rate, pulse rate, you know, all of that's happening. And then
Speaker:the panoramic vision was like, oh, it
Speaker:turns off the vigilant mode. It relaxes
Speaker:your eye muscles, it boosts your focus.
Speaker:You know, there was just a lot of things. And is that like in the.
Speaker:When you're in panoramic mode, I mean, and this would make sense. So
Speaker:I'm. I'm just imagining myself lying down, gazing
Speaker:at the clouds. It's panoramic mode. I understand why
Speaker:I don't need to be vigilant because there's nothing behind me. So I'm lying down.
Speaker:I can feel the earth. There's nothing coming towards me
Speaker:because I can see panoramically. Yeah. So that would make total
Speaker:sense that I. My whole nervous system could. Could down
Speaker:regulate. Exactly. That's so
Speaker:interesting. I know. I found that to be powerful. So I really got
Speaker:into deep dive of the eyes, you know, because I remember as a
Speaker:kid, you know, I used to live in a, you know, very
Speaker:shelter life. And then at one point, I moved to New York when I was
Speaker:9 and all of a sudden I got into vigilant mode. Right. Because I'm nine
Speaker:years old navigating New York City and it's, you know, my mom says, be
Speaker:careful. Right. So, yeah, so I mean, you know, nine years
Speaker:old, you know, back then you could go to school that was eight blocks away
Speaker:and it was considered okay. Right. I know.
Speaker:Yeah. Go to the next lane at the grocery store without
Speaker:your parents. Yeah, exactly. That's true.
Speaker:So I think I realized, like, you know, I was using my eyes a
Speaker:lot even when I was on the computer before this cloud watching
Speaker:for. To scan for threats and, and danger. I didn't, you. I
Speaker:didn't realize how much I did that. It was kind of a learned behavior.
Speaker:And then I realized, oh, when I see the sky or something expansive, I'm
Speaker:choosing to pause and see beauty.
Speaker:I'm changing the channel, you know, and metaphorically,
Speaker:you just look at the big picture all of a sudden. I think that's when
Speaker:I got into the Science of awe by Dr. Keltner,
Speaker:who's a professor in Berkeley. He has a whole science in
Speaker:awe. And he said it in his own words. I can't say it in
Speaker:his own words, but basically, when you're upon something
Speaker:vastly bigger than yourself, you have the
Speaker:sense of awe. And the night sky, or for me, just
Speaker:any sky does that. For me, all of a sudden,
Speaker:you know, the sky obviously is bigger than me. I just feel like
Speaker:a small person. But what is beautiful about that is
Speaker:that I feel like I'm part of the sky. But because I'm this small person
Speaker:compared to the sky, I feel like my problems are smaller.
Speaker:There's a sense of, you know,
Speaker:you're this drop in the ocean, but you're also part of the ocean.
Speaker:And it was very profound to look at the sky. And then
Speaker:at some point, felt like the sky was looking back at me,
Speaker:you know, because you're so immersed in it when you're lying back and you have
Speaker:that vision. And then there's this sense of
Speaker:oneness that happens, too.
Speaker:So I found it really interesting to have another
Speaker:meditation practice where it wasn't about shutting the
Speaker:world and going inward and sitting up and all
Speaker:of that, but also to have another practice where I could
Speaker:really enjoy the beauty and peace by
Speaker:having my eyes open. I think that meant a lot to me because I'm a
Speaker:visual person. I didn't want to experience
Speaker:peace just by closing my eyes, you know?
Speaker:Yes. And I won't
Speaker:speak for everyone, but I find that actually a hard way to experience peace.
Speaker:Yeah. Yes. And I know that's part of the
Speaker:meditation process, but for me, and I know
Speaker:others are like this too. Some others, you know, I close my eyes
Speaker:and it gets quiet. And like, all the things. All the things are
Speaker:like, oh, we're doing this. It's like
Speaker:I kind of get overwhelmed a little bit. And, you know, you can move
Speaker:through it and find. Find that piece on the other side. But this
Speaker:is just such a beautiful reflection,
Speaker:kind of a mirror process to that. Yeah, that's what I'm hearing
Speaker:you say. Yeah, I think the sky, what happens is all the senses are
Speaker:engaged, so you automatically become more present. I think
Speaker:that's. You're not trying to quiet your thoughts. You're not trying to
Speaker:sit a certain way. Comfort and safety is number I
Speaker:make that the foundation. And then it's like, so if
Speaker:you need a pillow on your head, just, you know, below your head so your
Speaker:shoulder is not tight in the lower back. Get comfortable. That's number one.
Speaker:Feel safe psychologically and physically.
Speaker:Make sure you're Looking at the sky, you're not staring at the sun, so you
Speaker:don't damage your vision or hurt your skin. So in the
Speaker:shade or anything like that. And then make sure you have
Speaker:panoramic vision. You know, it's not about looking at anything particular.
Speaker:You don't even need clouds. Clouds is entertaining, but it's really
Speaker:about the sky. Right. Because clouds, I think of it
Speaker:as thoughts. And it helped me with my meditation practice because
Speaker:when I saw the clouds moving by, I realized, oh, that could be my thoughts
Speaker:moving by. You know, I can just
Speaker:let it go. It comes by just to let go. And then
Speaker:I'm left with the sky or the awareness of that oneness
Speaker:or that communion. So the sky was kind of an easy
Speaker:way into meditation. For some people it is a meditation, and for some people,
Speaker:it's just something they do before meditation to kind of
Speaker:prepare themselves, to kind of
Speaker:quiet your body, quiet your mind, and.
Speaker:And yet be alert, you know, not pass out. Because I think that's one thing
Speaker:I've seen a lot of people do. They meditate and then they're dozing off, you
Speaker:know, so this is a way where you're body's
Speaker:quiet, but your eyes are open. And for people
Speaker:who are not used to being outside, you know, as, you know, the lumens, I
Speaker:mean, the light is way brighter than what any light we can have
Speaker:indoors. So it might take them a while to adjust,
Speaker:you know, because they're not. Most people are used to not being outside.
Speaker:So, you know, I tell them, hey, do it before sunrise, do it
Speaker:after sunset, if that's an issue, you know.
Speaker:So, yeah, and I just start to, like, learn more about
Speaker:circadian rhythm and just taking everything outdoors, like
Speaker:working outdoors, you know, just
Speaker:exercising, you know, everything I could. So our dream home that we're
Speaker:building is all based on that, you know, we have. I have a place
Speaker:to, like, prepare meals and cook it and eat it, you know.
Speaker:You know, there's places to. I mean, there's so many outdoor spaces. And I
Speaker:really did that because I think that's what my body loves,
Speaker:is being outside. You know, I haven't figured out where to sleep yet,
Speaker:but I am looking for a shower spot.
Speaker:I'm really excited about having a shower outside,
Speaker:you know? Yes. Yeah. And just be that nature, wild woman,
Speaker:whatever. Totally. Oh,
Speaker:how beautiful. And so now it's all coming full circle where
Speaker:you're. You've been able to design your home around all of these
Speaker:principles. Yeah, I love it. And
Speaker:I love what you said earlier when you were
Speaker:working with clients who had very intense lives,
Speaker:and you were leading them into meditation, but they would fall asleep. Right.
Speaker:And you said you. You wanted them to have the experience
Speaker:of witnessing their own calm. Yeah,
Speaker:that's a really, really gorgeous way to articulate it.
Speaker:Like, I really felt that when you. Said it, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker:yeah, yeah. It just seemed like if they
Speaker:fall asleep, I mean, it's wonderful. But I mean, that's why I
Speaker:love cloud watching is. You know, I always wanted to offer a tool
Speaker:to my clients where they didn't need me. You know,
Speaker:I want people I know, everyone has the answers inside, just given
Speaker:the right environment. And this is one tool I feel
Speaker:very confident it doesn't work for everyone. I would say 80% of the people
Speaker:that I meet really benefit from it, and
Speaker:20% could care less because maybe they're outside all the time or they
Speaker:have something else going on, which is fine. But
Speaker:it's a way to kind of slow down. You get to work on your.
Speaker:There's a couple things going on. There's interoception, right? Like, what are
Speaker:you feeling inside? You know, am I pain? You know, am I in pain? Am
Speaker:I cold? All those. You have to do that when you're doing
Speaker:cloud watching because otherwise you're going to be uncomfortable. Nothing's going
Speaker:on, right? So then you have to pay attention to what's going on and the
Speaker:extra reception, which is, what do you see, what do you hear?
Speaker:You know, so you get to kind of strengthen both,
Speaker:because I. Unfortunately, some people wait for that when they go to bed.
Speaker:You know, when they're in bed, they're like, oh, my shoulder's tight. Oh,
Speaker:I don't really feel good. I'm kind of cold. And, you know, they're too
Speaker:tired to deal with it, and they go to sleep in that. In that state
Speaker:and they pass out because they're so tired. And
Speaker:cloud watching, I think, strengthens those,
Speaker:you know, interoception and extraception. It's a way to
Speaker:tune into what's going on in the outer world and also what's going inside.
Speaker:I mean, as a caretaker, as a mom, I'm sure, you know,
Speaker:it's easy for me to, like, cater to the other person. How are you?
Speaker:You know, what do you need? And this is something that I
Speaker:do to check inside, listen to my own
Speaker:thoughts, and then yet be
Speaker:aware of my surrounding or the person in front of
Speaker:me. But that's something I'm still working on. Like, how do I
Speaker:be present here and be with you and be of service to
Speaker:you, you know, and, and that's
Speaker:something I feel like cloud watching teaches me. Like if
Speaker:I don't, you know, it's rare that I don't like to see what's on the,
Speaker:in the sky, but if I, you know, I've had clients that said,
Speaker:hey, Leti, during the fires, lady, I'm really freaked
Speaker:out. I don't think I can see the sky. It was orange and murky, gray
Speaker:at noon. You know, it's pretty scary. And of course, don't do
Speaker:cloud watching outdoors, hazardous, you know, air quality.
Speaker:But I say, hey, just do it for a minute and let me know
Speaker:how it goes and if not, just stop. So I
Speaker:get a text like five minutes later and they said
Speaker:the first minute was hard, but I kept doing it. And I,
Speaker:I didn't feel great, but I kept doing it. But afterwards I felt great.
Speaker:And that's when Huberman said, it's not what you're seeing,
Speaker:it's how you're seeing it. Yeah.
Speaker:So I, I was like, oh, this is interesting. And several other people told
Speaker:me that during, that was during my repeatability study on cloud
Speaker:watching. So a lot of people, you know, impacted 85% of
Speaker:the participants. So I, that was my rule. Just do it for a
Speaker:minute. And also the study was supposed to be outside, but the fires
Speaker:broke out day nine. It was a 33
Speaker:day study. So between nine and like 20 something, they had to
Speaker:do cloud watching indoors. And guess what? They still had
Speaker:the, you know, 80% of the time they had a good experience. So I
Speaker:realized there was something to this. You know,
Speaker:I was, you know, whether it's whatever, all the elements, lying
Speaker:down, panoramic vision, the light, even if it
Speaker:was. So there was five levers, so, you know, you can't go outside, but you
Speaker:still have the lying down and panoramic vision and you have the comfort and
Speaker:possibly all depending on the situation and wonder, you know.
Speaker:Yeah, sometimes you have the light, but maybe you're not comfortable. So
Speaker:the lying down, you know, so even if you did one of those things, you
Speaker:get something. But cloud watching, I feel like it's
Speaker:all. There's a lot of boxes. You check. Yes.
Speaker:In five minutes, you know. Yeah. I mean, this is a very
Speaker:complete restorative practice
Speaker:and then some. And I love, I love the element of
Speaker:awe. I'm not familiar with the work
Speaker:of the, of the author you quoted, but the
Speaker:idea of being able to
Speaker:feel awe on a daily basis. Yeah. For what
Speaker:we're surrounded by. I mean, I Don't.
Speaker:I don't know all of the implications of it, but it. It feels like
Speaker:it would be quite profound. Yeah, I. I think it
Speaker:is. I think awe is, according to him, a
Speaker:very basic need as a human being, like happiness and
Speaker:love, and I think there is all
Speaker:everywhere. We just have to put ourselves in that position.
Speaker:Yeah. You know, I mean. I mean,
Speaker:I. I kind of think of this world as a celebration, whether
Speaker:it's the moonlight, the sun. I mean, just an.
Speaker:Or just really looking at a tree carefully and just
Speaker:realizing, like, what makes it grow this way? I mean, there's just so much.
Speaker:Right. And when. As a mom and when your child is young, they're like, oh,
Speaker:this is my favorite stick mom. You know, that that's. That's something we
Speaker:lose sometimes, you know, and for the cloud watching.
Speaker:And that's one of the reasons why I created the app, and I use more
Speaker:of a childlike kind of illustration because I really want
Speaker:to speak to that child in that. In the person. Yes.
Speaker:You know, the ones that were kids that used to lie down and look
Speaker:at the stars and. And see birds fly
Speaker:above them, you know, there's a whole world above, and it's a.
Speaker:It's a different way to experience the world. You
Speaker:know, not just this way, but look up and
Speaker:see what happens. And it seems to me that that is
Speaker:part of our. Our DNA. I mean, it's.
Speaker:We all cultures, historically,
Speaker:through all of civilization, had stories
Speaker:of a. Of cosmology where we
Speaker:would. We would talk about, you know, the
Speaker:grandmother in the sky or all the different cultures have different
Speaker:interpretations of it. And whether you take it literally or as mythology, it
Speaker:doesn't really matter. I don't think. I think that it's. It. It imprints our
Speaker:psyche. Yes. And we. We don't. We don't
Speaker:do that as much with our children anymore. Like, it's really faded out
Speaker:of popular culture and education to
Speaker:have these stories where you feel that connection with the cosmos,
Speaker:with this panoramic vision. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker:You said it beautifully, Meredith. Thank you. I love that.
Speaker:You know, I. I think for me, if I.
Speaker:The part that I love to see the sky, I mean, I do it
Speaker:whenever I need it, definitely on a daily basis. I
Speaker:love going out when. When the light
Speaker:is about to change. So between
Speaker:nights today, day to night, those are such
Speaker:exquisite times. And I like it when it's really dark before
Speaker:sunrise is very exciting to me because it's like a
Speaker:sacred time. You know, it's quiet, everyone's
Speaker:sleeping, you know, and I Just feel like,
Speaker:you know, and the stars are still out, and it's
Speaker:this very quiet. Just energetically
Speaker:it's quiet and just feels really sacred. And,
Speaker:you know, it's hard not to be in awe during that time.
Speaker:Or it could be at, you know, after dark when
Speaker:it. When it goes from day to night. Sometimes you just see one
Speaker:star and you're like, did I see something? And then
Speaker:two, and then all of a sudden you see a whole bunch. But that
Speaker:transitional time, I feel like it's a. A very
Speaker:exquisite time, and it's something that my heart and my
Speaker:soul yearns. Yes. You
Speaker:know? Yes. Yeah. That's time
Speaker:when you're physically thirsty and you drink water. It's like that, but on a
Speaker:soul level. Yeah. And there's.
Speaker:And you know what I like about cloud watching, too, is about,
Speaker:you know, I. I often tell people, I'll meet you there because we're
Speaker:all under the same sky, right? So it's a
Speaker:way that we can all sort of feel connected
Speaker:and really, you know, something we take for granted.
Speaker:Imagine without having a sky, you know, that would be,
Speaker:you know, nothing with, you know, everything I love about the world. I mean, the
Speaker:sky is what makes it special to me. You know, I used to go to
Speaker:the beach, and, you know, during the pandemic, I couldn't go to the beach. You
Speaker:know, we had to, like, stay indoors. So I just did in my backyard.
Speaker:I'm like, oh, that's the same sky as the beach. Like,
Speaker:I was going all the way to the beach or the park really far away
Speaker:because I thought I would have this other experience. And, like, no, this
Speaker:is my portable paradise. As long as I have even partial view of the
Speaker:sky, I'm in, you know, I got it. There. There it
Speaker:is. Yeah. You know, so.
Speaker:So I think that's what's exciting, to give someone a tool where they can
Speaker:do anytime, anywhere, you know, and
Speaker:it's just fun to have people experience it. You know, some people are like,
Speaker:oh, I don't know what this is. This is this quirky thing, you know, like,
Speaker:oh, yeah, watch this guy. That sounds exciting to me. No, they might think it's
Speaker:silly, but people do it for a couple days or more.
Speaker:It's been very impactful. I shared it with a bunch of college
Speaker:students, and, you know, I could tell they were kind of rolling their eyes, like,
Speaker:you know, because their professor was having them do this for two weeks
Speaker:consecutively days, you know, for 14 days. But the
Speaker:reports, you know, that I hear from the professor was profound.
Speaker:You know, I felt, yeah, I was. Like, good for that professor.
Speaker:Yeah, it's an amazing assignment. Yeah. She really
Speaker:wanted people to experience that sense of
Speaker:inner democracy before seeing what's going on with the world because
Speaker:it's so easy to get outrage and upset and go into judgment.
Speaker:So it's like giving them a tool of, like, how do you balance yourself so
Speaker:you can see things from a, from a place of neutrality,
Speaker:you know. Wow. So then, bless her
Speaker:heart, she's an amazing person. That's a profound education.
Speaker:That's real education. Yeah. And, you know, she
Speaker:had them track a quality of, you know, whatever quality that they want more in
Speaker:their life and see if after they did cloud watching, did it do
Speaker:anything, you know, they made it. She made it very
Speaker:research data driven. And it was
Speaker:really amazing reading, you know, hearing her speak.
Speaker:It's funny because I used to share cloud watching mostly to the spiritual community.
Speaker:Yeah. So I thought, okay, a lot of these people are meditators and
Speaker:of course they would have this experience. But you know, they're like 18
Speaker:to 20 some and they had the, the expressions
Speaker:they shared was similar to somebody who was an experienced
Speaker:meditator. And, and I thought, okay,
Speaker:there's something here, you know, so,
Speaker:yeah, it's been fun just sharing it. But, you know, it's one of those things
Speaker:when you tell someone cloud watching, they're like, oh, yeah, that's nice. Yeah.
Speaker:What? Okay. Yeah, yeah, look up and there's some clouds. Yeah.
Speaker:But I just remind them you don't need clouds. You just, you know, look at
Speaker:the sky. You know, clouds was. Is what inspired me,
Speaker:but it's really about, you know, just embracing and
Speaker:communing with the sky. Such
Speaker:a beautiful practice. Letty, thank you so much for sharing it with us. And I
Speaker:really appreciate that you. How much that you studied the
Speaker:implications of it and did research and found an
Speaker:academic partner to try it out on on a different
Speaker:cohort. Like, that really
Speaker:enriches the, the value proposition that you're laying out
Speaker:here. So just to, to let everyone know how they can find
Speaker:the instructions and the app that guides you through it,
Speaker:where would they go? They would just go to cloud
Speaker:thecloudwatchingmethod.com and there'll be links
Speaker:for the app as free right now. And
Speaker:yeah, I would love for people to try it. They can always reach out if
Speaker:there's any feedback, but it's a joy to be of service in
Speaker:this way. Well, thank you so much for all that
Speaker:you've done, Leti, and thank you for coming on the podcast
Speaker:today to share it with us. We'll put the links in the
Speaker:show notes and maybe we can do a little QVC community
Speaker:cloud watching. Oh, I would love to
Speaker:experiment. We'll have you come in and maybe come into the community
Speaker:and give us some tips and talk about how it went.
Speaker:Oh, I would. That would be a joy for me to do that. Okay, thank
Speaker:you so much. Find a date. And so everyone make sure you're in the. In
Speaker:the QVC community. It's free. Go to qvcpod.com
Speaker:and click community. And we'll
Speaker:have some updates from Leti in there soon.
Speaker:Thank you. Thank you. This is a lot of fun. Such a
Speaker:joy. Oh, me too. Thank you so much for
Speaker:all your support. I just had so much fun today.
Speaker:Thank you. I'm glad. This is really fun and exciting, and
Speaker:I look forward to trying it out. Well,
Speaker:reach out anytime. If you need someone, you know,
Speaker:a buddy to guide you through anything, it'd be my joy.
Speaker:Great. Thank you again.
