In this episode:

• Lindsay shares reactions from close friends and family about her Bitcoin journey and the importance of introducing Bitcoin gradually to newcomers.
• She touches on her childhood ambitions, consistent desire to make a meaningful impact, and her transition from wanting to be a writer to and her current endeavor with Bitcoin.
• Introduction to Lindsay's current Bitcoin project.

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https://www.airbnb.com/experiences/3362025

https://www.meetup.com/bitcoin-bootcamp/

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Hi everybody.

Welcome to part two of my conversation with Lindsay.

Why bitcoin is a superior asset.

Do they generally accept that bridge from inflation to Bitcoin,

or do they have, is there a common question that comes up after you

share that analogy about the grocery store owner versus the grocery worker?

Yeah, that usually is kind of, that kind of directs the conversation into

a, a conversation about broader economics.

Um, there's usually a question, you know, 'cause it's everybody's, you know,

foundational teaching that you learn in school, that, you know, inflation is

necessary for an economy to, to run, you know, deflation is, you know, you're gonna

have the great depression all over again.

And there's a lot of, there's a lot of misconceptions in that model, but

it's, it's ingrained in almost everyone, especially if you live in the West.

So then, I don't know, we tend to tend to do a little history of money, um, and

like kind of attributes of what makes one money, what makes something a good money,

and what's makes something a bad money.

And, you know, why, why gold is money and why, you know, notebooks aren't, you

know, the, the, the path to, to breaching the topic of Bitcoin specifically with

this analogy is, is usually not something I would even necessarily do in the

same day if I'm just kind of casually introducing someone to this world.

It's, you know, it has to be a slow process and if, if someone feels like

you're pushing something, they're gonna back off and they're gonna back off hard.

And that's something you have to be aware of.

It's like you, you have to meet people where they are.

Yeah.

That is so true.

So I'm just curious again, when you, when you went down the rabbit hole and you're

getting excited and you're starting to talk about it, how, what was the reaction

from the people who are closest to you?

A lot of skepticism, um, and a lot of kind of concern that

I was, you know, being scammed or gambling or, you know, something

like that after, I don't know.

It was pretty clear to most people close to me that I was spending an

enormous amount of time in this space.

'cause I mean, I'm, I'm a bookworm anyway.

But I, I was really, really spending a lot of time researching and reading

about this, and I think there came a, there came a point where they realized

that, you know, no, this isn't, this isn't gambling, this isn't, you

know, just some, you know, involved in a bubble or something like that.

I'm a pretty, I'm a pretty thoughtful person and, uh, I think those closest

to me kind of recognized that, and were like, all right, you know, this is, You

know, not something that they personally might wanna get involved in, but it

was something that they could respect.

And, uh, they kind of, they kinda learned that if you bring it up that you're,

you're treading on a slippery slope.

I might not stop talking, but Yeah.

Af after a while they, they came to respect it and I think that that

was, that was kind of an important part of eventually getting some of

them to kind of, to follow me and to understand, you know, why, why I'm so

interested and why it's so important.

It's like they needed that, that primer to kind of neutralize the

negative associations they might've had with Bitcoin before that.

'cause I mean, you hear on the news, you know, it's magic, internet, money, money.

It's a bubble.

It's, you know, for attackers and criminals or whatever, whatever else,

they try and, uh, attach to the label.

And I feel like seeing someone that they knew in person.

Or that they just, you know, someone that they, that they knew wasn't

involved in any of those nefarious activities, kind of neutralize

that, that negative association.

I think that a really huge tell, like what you were saying

before is if, if Bitcoiners will have nothing to gain, keep talking about

it with your family and friends...

there's something there.

Right?

There's something that we have identified with.

So I'm just curious if we go back in time to 10 year old Lindsay and what,

how did you, how did you kind of dream about your life that led you to wanting

to become a paramedic in the first place?

And can you draw some parallel to where your life direction is going now?

Oof.

Well, as a kid, I, I'd never thought I'd do anything with the medical field.

I thought that sounded so incredibly boring.

And I, uh, I always loved to, I always loved to write, I always loved

to tell stories and write stories.

And when I initially started going to college, right after I graduated

high school, I went into technical writing, which sounds even more

boring than, than medical field.

But I thought I was gonna be a magazine editor.

And then it was on the first day of my second year.

And I don't know, I was standing in the grocery store and there was, you know,

a, a stand full of, of magazines and it's like, I just looked at it and I mean, a

lot of them were tabloids, but I was just, I just had this overwhelming feeling of

like, I can't waste my life on something that you barely look at when you're

in line waiting at the grocery store.

Like, I need to do something.

I need to do something that actually helps people.

And so I dropped outta school that day and I went and talked to a

couple people that I, you know, was.

Loosely acquainted with who happened to work on a fire department.

And I kind of talked about the best, the best way into, into first responding.

And they told me about an EMT class.

Um, and I was shortly thereafter signed up and, and well on my way.

And after seven years of that, I realized it still wasn't for me.

But I don't know that I really had, you know, any, any concrete dreams as a kid.

I was pretty, pretty reserved, pretty quiet, and didn't have a, a real goal.

I was very much in the moment, and I think, honestly, I think

that changed like most intensely.

I mean, a, a little bit after that college experience and, and going into

paramedicine, but I feel like the point at which I found Bitcoin was a, was a really

kind of transformative time in my life.

And it's like, I feel like I, I think more about, about my time

and about, you know, my future.

Than I ever have before this.

And I think Bitcoin kind of has that, has that effect after you learn enough about

it and you learn enough about the other people in the world who need it far more

than I do and who are, you know, using it as a, as a survival mechanism right now.

It's like knowing those kinds of stories just kind of changes the,

changes your outlook on life.

Yeah.

It sounds like, I, I'm hearing a common thread here, which is that

you wanted to do something that mattered, something that was important.

Yes, absolutely I am, I'm terrified of wasting time.

That's a great bridge into our next segment.

Let's talk about your current project with Bitcoin.

Yes.

So after I had been fully down the rabbit hole for a little while, I decided

I wanted to devote more time to it.

I had already kind of orange peeled some, some families, some friends, some

in-laws, and I wanted to kind of broaden my, broaden my reach a little bit.

So I decided to start a class on through Airbnb experiences to teach

people about Bitcoin and it's something that anybody could sign up for and

it would be an in-person class.

Kind of was gearing it towards people who were, who were skeptic, who were not tech

savvy, who wanted someone to kind of hold their hand and, and help them through the,

you know, the, the harder parts of it.

And that's still a pretty new thing.

I do it every couple months and it's.

I dunno, it's been so much fun.

I kind of walk everyone through, you know, the basics of Bitcoin,

the history of money, you know, the petro dollar, you know, basics of,

you know, mining nodes, blockchains.

And we do, we do practice transactions at the end and kind of just show

everyone, like, you don't need, you don't need to be a tech expert to get this.

Like, it's, it's, you download an app on your phone and it's very, very simple.

And it's, it's fun because sometimes, you know, people

will like, I'll have a younger.

Not the last time, but a few times ago I had a younger guy who brought

his parents over and the younger guy was a little bit into it.

He, he definitely knew a lot more about it than his parents.

And I like to always start off, you know, like, you know,

what made you come here today?

And he immediately answered.

And you know, it was more or less what I expected and that, but then I, neither

of them, neither of his parents had said anything and said, so, like, so,

so what about, what about you guys?

What is, what is your feeling about Bitcoin right now?

And the woman was just like, oh, I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole.

Like, I'm just here 'cause he said we should come.

And I was just like, oh, I, I completely respect that.

You know, it's, Warren Buffett says you shouldn't invest in

anything you don't understand.

And that, I think that's ... advice.

Like, hopefully by, hopefully by the end of the day, you'll feel

like you know enough about it to, to make an educated decision.

And if you still don't think it's, you know, worth touching,

then, then that's your decision.

And I totally respect that.

So there's, there's a lot of those kind of initiations.

And then usually by the end of it though, people are much, much more excited

about it and, you know, very interested.

And I kind of, I send them, I send 'em home with some additional information

so they can look at, you know, different podcasts and books and whatever

their media choice is to, to learn.

They have those, those resources pre kinda laid out for them.

But it's been, it's been so much fun.

I wish I could do it full-time.

It would be a blast.

Sounds like it's a really important experience for a lot of, a

lot of these people, especially in the more rural areas where they have less

access to local bitcoin meetups where they can go meet people in person.

So can you tell us how are you reaching these people to

tell them about your Airbnb?

Where are you marketing your, your offer?

So I started initially on Meetup.

I didn't have a whole lot of, a whole lot of attention there, and

I just kind of posted the Airbnb link there after I decided to

go the Airbnb experiences route.

And unfortunately I'm pretty rural, so I still don't get a

whole lot of, whole lot of reach.

And it does kind of, it does kind of rely on people more or less looking for this.

Um, looking for someone to help them with this.

And on one hand that's good because it means that everyone who comes to

my class is, is pretty open-minded and has maybe, you know, maybe

knows a little something about it.

But yeah, I, I really need to, need to look in a, into a way to, to have more

outreach, 'cause like I said, being...

Meetup and Airbnb are both, are both kind of local services.

They really only outreach to people, you know, within, you know, say a 50

mile radius or something, or unless you specifically look for that town.

Um, and that is a limitation right now.

But everyone, everyone who's found me so far has found me through

one of those, one of those means.

And I've had a couple people where they've, you know, they've made

requests for me to, you know, hey, like I can't, can't make it, you know,

in that month or whatever, like, you know, can you make a special time?

Things like that.

But, uh, yeah, I need to.

I need to invest some more, some more time into figuring out how to market

to a, to a broader, broader audience.

But part of the, part of the beauty of the class though, is that it is in person.

And I think that's really important to a lot of people, especially

older, less tech savvy people who are my main, my main crowd.

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