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Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989): Is This the Greatest Quest of Them All?
Episode 8323rd September 2024 • Back to the Frame Rate • Nathan Suher
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We discuss the 3rd entry this franchise, 'Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade', a film that we all universal agreed upon is a course correction from its predecessor. We have some fun on our Harrison Ford Movie Draft and share some of our latest movie watching.

04:35 The Question

11:04 Movie Facts

20:57 Nathan's review

25:04 Bee's review

28:27 Sam's review

01:56:00 Vault Decision: Save or PURGE!!!

01:04:22 Harrison Ford Movie Draft

01:18:49 Weekly Highlights

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In the dying embers of human existence, as the asteroid, a

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behemoth the size of Texas, hurtles relentlessly toward Earth, the world

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braces for an apocalypse again.

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Deep beneath the bunker, a refuge plunges into the bowels of the Earth.

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Here, the chosen gather, their purpose clear, to preserve the

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very soul of our civilization.

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The 35 the magic, the emotion, and the dreams of generations past.

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These masterpieces, each frame a testament to the human spirit, are

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carefully cataloged and cradled in the cavernous confines of the bunker.

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Perhaps there was room for more.

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For friends and family yearning for salvation, but sacrifices must be made.

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The Movie Nerds stand united.

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The Keepers of a Flame.

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Promising a future where the art of storytelling endures, transcending

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the boundaries of time and space.

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God help us all.

Nathan:

Welcome to Back to the Framerate, part of the Westin Media Podcast Network.

Nathan:

Join us as we watch and discuss films on VOD and streaming platforms, deliberating

Nathan:

on whether each one is worthy of salvation or destined for destruction in the face

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of the impending asteroid apocalypse.

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You can find more episodes of this podcast on backtotheframerate.

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com where you can subscribe and share our show and find us on our

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socials at backtotheframerate.

Nathan:

I am Nathan Shore and accompanying me are the extraordinary movie mavens,

Nathan:

Brianna Budworth and Sam Cole.

Nathan:

Hello.

Sam:

It's a pleasure to be here.

Sam:

My, my heart is filled with mirth because I just got a new triple A

Sam:

card in the mail, which will help my vehicle for a year to come, baby.

Sam:

Anyway, off topic, but happy days.

Nathan:

You are living the life there, Sam.

Nathan:

Living

Sam:

the life over here.

Nathan:

Sam and Bea I was talking with someone who Who listens to our show,

Nathan:

but didn't realize that what we do here is more than just, we rev, review

Nathan:

films, they seem to just listen and then tap out after our main review.

Nathan:

And so they're not listening to the whole thing.

Nathan:

There are literally, thousands of podcasts out there where you can just

Nathan:

listen to opinions about these movies, but it's always been our intention to

Nathan:

not just give our thoughts on movies.

Nathan:

that we feature each week, but to deliver an entertaining piece of content with

Nathan:

some banter and film recommendations and other things that we do in our lives.

Nathan:

AAA, Hey, plug the AAA, you can get a discount on hotels,

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restaurants, get your AAA.

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It's really not that much money a year.

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It's worth it.

Trailer:

It's true.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

Anyways, a few weeks ago, we did a fun game where we did our IMDB

Nathan:

game, which was a lot of fun.

Nathan:

So what I'm basically saying, stick around for the entire episode because it's chock

Nathan:

full of surprises each and every week.

Nathan:

So what I'm going to start doing.

Nathan:

Is giving our listeners like a table of contents every week.

Nathan:

I'm not going to do a long, elaborate intro like I'm doing right now every

Nathan:

week, but so on today's episode, we're going to have a discussion of the film

Nathan:

we're reviewing, make our important decisions on whether it deserves to

Nathan:

be saved into the precious confines of a shelter or eliminated into the

Nathan:

vast wasteland of the pocket fallout.

Nathan:

Then something I think we on the podcast are going to have a lot

Nathan:

of fun with our listeners at home.

Nathan:

And they'll enjoy, and that's going to be a Harrison Ford movie draft.

Nathan:

We did this last year, one time with a 1984 movie draft.

Nathan:

I think we have a lot of fun doing this.

Nathan:

We'd love to know the listeners at home, who you think got the

Nathan:

best draft of the three of us.

Nathan:

And then if time permits, we're going to try to do maybe a weekly highlight where

Nathan:

each of us will share maybe something from the last week that we watched or viewed

Nathan:

related to movies or not, it's always fun.

Nathan:

Depends on what we're in the mood for, but that's what is going

Nathan:

to be on the show this week.

Nathan:

But before we get to that, I have a question for my co host.

Nathan:

It's a pretty simple one.

Nathan:

Required some math, but I don't think you're really going to go to math here.

Nathan:

Oh boy.

Nathan:

It's important.

Nathan:

This has some big stakes.

Nathan:

Are you ready?

Nathan:

I'm

Sam:

scared.

Nathan:

Okay.

Nathan:

How many?

Nathan:

Reese's Pieces, could you fill the Holy Grail from this movie, this

Nathan:

particular grail that was inside of the temple of the sun, of course it's

Nathan:

intended purpose, and we all know that Jesus demanded no green M& Ms or

Nathan:

the, some PA's head was going to roll.

Nathan:

There's.

Nathan:

There's actually no real answer to this.

Nathan:

However, I did do a lot of research on this and it's estimate, and this

Nathan:

is important information so you can make your best guess and the person

Nathan:

who has the most accurate guess to this number is going to go first.

Nathan:

First or last, I'm going to go first because only I would

Nathan:

think of such a ridiculous game with so much lunacy involved.

Nathan:

So I will go first in a review, but that's how we're going to determine the order.

Nathan:

So whoever gets closest will go last and so forth.

Nathan:

But anyways, this is the information you need to know.

Nathan:

I, it's estimated on the internet.

Nathan:

And by the way, I used six different.

Nathan:

AI chat bots to figure out this information.

Bee:

Okay.

Bee:

Okay.

Nathan:

There are eight ounces of liquid that can fill the

Nathan:

Holy Grail from this movie.

Nathan:

And the average size of a Reese's Pieces is 0.

Nathan:

7 cubic centimeters.

Nathan:

So knowing that information, how many do you guess will fill that Holy Grail?

Bee:

Okay.

Bee:

You're saying Reese's Pieces, not Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.

Bee:

No, Reese's

Nathan:

Pieces.

Bee:

You mean like the little

Bee:

B, there's a

Nathan:

Steven Spielberg tie in here.

Sam:

Reese's peanut butter cups would be like four of them.

Bee:

Yeah, okay.

Bee:

I'm just checking.

Bee:

No,

Sam:

I know, I'm just, yeah, I hear you.

Bee:

Okay.

Sam:

Fuck, I don't

Bee:

know.

Bee:

I don't know.

Bee:

103.

Sam:

I'm going to say,

Sam:

so I'm seeing the cup and I'm seeing Douglas Holmes cinematography and

Sam:

hearing Spielberg's voice, all right, I'm pushing for the dolly shot rah.

Sam:

Um, um, I would say.

Sam:

Well,

Nathan:

you're both pretty far off the actual number that's estimated from

Nathan:

six different AI chat bot things that I averaged out is 467 based on you're

Bee:

trying to let the robots take my job.

Bee:

This

Nathan:

is how I spent my Sunday doing this.

Nathan:

You're

Bee:

making me hungry though.

Sam:

I went again, my instinct was to go higher and there's a scene at the

Sam:

beginning of Willow when Warwick Davis like doesn't trust his instinct and the

Sam:

wizard is you should trust your instinct.

Sam:

So I just can't wait

Bee:

for the day that you and I get high together and watch Willow

Bee:

because I know we're both fans, but it comes out at the weirdest time.

Sam:

Oh God.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

I look forward to that as well.

Sam:

Yeah, it's gonna be good.

Nathan:

Oh because Sam, you were still the closest.

Nathan:

You are going to go third Sam, Ah, Bea, you're second and I have to go first.

Nathan:

That's my punishment.

Trailer:

I'm third for the three quo.

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Er, back to the frame rate with a joke saw coming all day.

Bee:

Oh my god.

Trailer:

Okay.

Nathan:

If you hadn't already guessed the film that we are

Nathan:

reviewing this week is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade from 1989.

Nathan:

Steven Spielberg, third film in the trilogy, third film in our quest for

Nathan:

fortune and glory in this retrospective.

Nathan:

Can't wait to talk about this with each of you.

Nathan:

Be the first time you've seen this movie.

Nathan:

First time you've seen any of these Films in the Indiana Jones franchise.

Nathan:

If anybody's tuning in for the first time, but I let's start with a plot synopsis.

Nathan:

Let's pull this up here.

Nathan:

It is.

Nathan:

All right.

Nathan:

And here it is.

Nathan:

The intrepid explorer, Indiana Jones sets out to rescue his father, a medievalist

Nathan:

who has vanished while searching for the Holy grail, following clues.

Nathan:

In the old man's notebook, Indy arrives in Venice, where he enlists the help of a

Nathan:

beautiful academic, but they are not the only ones on the trail, and some sinister

Nathan:

old enemies soon come out of the woodwork.

Nathan:

A trailer

Sam:

somewhere.

Sam:

Hold on.

Sam:

I'll do the trail.

Sam:

Dun.

Sam:

Junior.

Sam:

Dun.

Sam:

Yes, sir.

Sam:

It is you, Junior.

Sam:

Dun.

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All right.

Sam:

Here's the trail.

Sam:

That's great.

Sam:

We're about to

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complete a great quest.

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The Holy Grail.

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Dr.

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Jones, that's

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This

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is it.

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Look, the shield is the second marker.

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We found it.

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Indiana Jones is on the quest of a lifetime.

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But for some adventures, One Jones is not enough.

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Dad?

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Junior?

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Don't call me that, please.

Sam:

Follow me!

Sam:

I know the

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way!

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Race across three continents.

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And in this sort of race, There's no silver medal for finishing second.

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Hang on, Dad!

Trailer:

Of the enemy, Nazis.

Trailer:

I hate these guys.

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Ahhhhh!

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Our situation has not improved.

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In his search for the holy grail.

Bee:

How dare you kiss me.

Bee:

Are

Sam:

you crazy?!

Sam:

Don't go between them!

Sam:

Go between them!

Sam:

Are you

Nathan:

crazy?!

Nathan:

Okay.

Nathan:

That's a piece of the trailer from The Last Crusade.

Nathan:

Sam, hand it over to you.

Nathan:

Do you have some movie facts for us?

Sam:

Indeed.

Sam:

Going right to the tonality of this movie this film is Spielberg's

Sam:

and Lucas's answer and rebuke to Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

Sam:

They go back to a lighter More open aired, much more akin to

Sam:

Raiders feel with this movie.

Sam:

This film is obviously directed by Spielberg, Steven Spielberg from a

Sam:

screenplay by Jeffrey Boehm, who I believe wrote some lethal weapon films.

Sam:

Two and three, two and three.

Sam:

Interesting.

Sam:

And he

Nathan:

did some other, he did inner space, the lost boys and the dead zone.

Nathan:

So he had a really good track record.

Nathan:

Oh, the lost

Sam:

boys.

Sam:

Awesome.

Sam:

I do the lethal weapon two better than three, but that's a side point, but

Sam:

story by George Lucas and Menno Mayhays.

Sam:

And this is based on characters by George Lucas and Philip Coffin produced

Sam:

by Robert Watts which I was actually really happy about because he, I feel

Sam:

like he was an associate producer.

Sam:

On a previous installment.

Sam:

And so I was it was, and I've watched behind the scenes all the time and

Sam:

I just enjoy his general energy.

Sam:

So I'm happy to see Robert Watts is like the producer of this movie.

Sam:

It's just he's

Nathan:

a fun interview always.

Nathan:

Yeah, he's good.

Sam:

He's ah, they wouldn't let us shoot that blur, starring Harrison

Sam:

Ford, Denholm Elliott Alison Doody, John Rhys Davies Julian Glover as

Sam:

the main villain, and of course, Sean Connery plays Harrison Ford's father.

Sam:

Fun fact, Sean Connery was only 12 years older than Harrison Ford and so for him

Sam:

to play his father Yeah, but Harrison

Bee:

Ford is so hot.

Sam:

They did a good job making their appear more of an age gap there.

Sam:

Returning cinematographer Douglas Slacombe, who did the previous

Sam:

to Indiana Jones, also the third one as well, of course, edited

Sam:

by Spielberg's main collaborator, Michael Kahn music by John Williams.

Sam:

And this was a big success.

Sam:

The budget was 48 million.

Sam:

474 million worldwide.

Sam:

According to this, I, it says it's the biggest film worldwide of 1989.

Sam:

I thought that was Batman, but I guess, I don't know if it's

Nathan:

Batman came in number two.

Sam:

Oh, really?

Sam:

Wow.

Sam:

That's amazing.

Sam:

So yeah, including worldwide gross.

Sam:

And I always thought it was Batman.

Sam:

That's impressive.

Sam:

So yeah, more lighthearted than the first this.

Sam:

Had this they really went globetrotting this film.

Sam:

They went to Italy all the desert scenes were shot in Spain Where

Sam:

they did the scene with a tank?

Sam:

They went to Petra in Jordan, which is the like the what's it called?

Sam:

The Temple of the Sun is it?

Sam:

That's

Nathan:

what they call it in the movie and the movie.

Sam:

Yeah I'm

Nathan:

blanking what the actual called and it's in the, I'm

Nathan:

blanking now, but I'm sorry.

Sam:

And just random thing here but the two temple of doom writers, Willard

Sam:

Huck and Gloria Katz, who collaborated with Lucas on American graffiti.

Sam:

They chose not to return due to both having other commitments

Sam:

and feeling satisfied with their work in the second film.

Nathan:

Other commitment was Howard, the duck.

Sam:

Oh my god, I did not know that.

Sam:

Wow.

Sam:

Wow, what a quack.

Sam:

You gotta get your priorities straight, you know what I gotta say.

Sam:

Which I feel the difference in the writing and I actually like Jeffrey

Sam:

Boehm's script and just, I can feel the tonality difference to what I'm saying.

Sam:

He, Spielberg this is actually, it was fascinating.

Sam:

Due to Spielberg's commitment to this film, he had to drop out of

Sam:

directing Big and Rain Man, both films, which he was interested in.

Sam:

I'm, Rain Man by Barry Levinson, I really like.

Sam:

I, it would have been a totally different, Steven Spielberg had directed that.

Sam:

It might have been great, I can't even imagine, but the film that was not to be.

Sam:

Interestingly enough, Lucas had initially wanted to do a Haunted House movie.

Sam:

And Spielberg was not huge on the idea.

Sam:

But they do incorporate that into the castle in the film which is on the border

Sam:

of Germany and and Austria and Austria.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

And so they do have sort of sequences.

Sam:

It's not literally a haunted house, but that's the closest to haunted.

Sam:

They get Lucas was the one that was pushing the idea for the grail.

Sam:

And Steven Spielberg was concerned about that it would come across

Sam:

too close to Monty Python and the Holy Grail, and that it would be

Sam:

associated with too much silliness.

Sam:

It was Spielberg that pushed the idea that the search for the Grail

Sam:

is the search for the Father.

Sam:

Spielberg loves this movie because of the father son relationship

Sam:

and the humor and the tone.

Sam:

And he said before in interviews that it's his favorite Raiders film.

Sam:

He refers to all the Indiana Jones movies as Raiders films,

Sam:

because obviously the first one.

Sam:

So he likes it a lot.

Sam:

Temple of Doom is actually his least favorite.

Sam:

And that's what I've got at the moment.

Sam:

I'm sure I'm missing, I feel a little unprepared tonight.

Sam:

I was cooking chicken and I burnt it, so otherwise I would have had,

Sam:

what, 20 more minutes of prep.

Sam:

No,

Nathan:

that's very good facts you dropped on that, so thank you.

Nathan:

Bea, were you going to say something?

Bee:

Oh, he said, just Steven Spielberg, it was Temple of

Bee:

Doom was his least favorite.

Bee:

It was his

Sam:

least favorite, yeah.

Nathan:

I just, upfront, I just want to say that it's so wonderful that

Nathan:

there's the continuity with these three movies with, director, producer,

Nathan:

cinematographer, composer, editor.

Nathan:

And of course, you can feel that you really do feel that,

Nathan:

especially in this third movie Yeah.

Sam:

Get my Asperger's out.

Sam:

Fuck, fuck, shit.

Sam:

No, just kidding.

Nathan:

Yeah but as I was saying, yeah, you really, as Bea, you also

Nathan:

mentioned, you feel the continuity of the cast and crew, both sides of this

Nathan:

camera, you really feel it in this film.

Nathan:

A few things I just wanted to mention here.

Nathan:

You mentioned the budget of 48 million in 2024 dollars, that would

Nathan:

be about 121 million if shot today.

Nathan:

Wow.

Nathan:

So yeah.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

And the 474 million box office.

Nathan:

This was released on May 24th, 1989, almost five years to

Nathan:

the day after temple of doom.

Nathan:

That was on May 23rd, if memory serves.

Nathan:

So that I think it's also Memorial.

Nathan:

These traditionally come out Memorial day weekend.

Nathan:

Do anyone remember what?

Nathan:

Raiders was, I don't remember offhand of that.

Sam:

I feel like Raiders opened later in June was the one outlier.

Sam:

I feel like it was

Bee:

a summer movie.

Bee:

Yeah.

Bee:

Yeah.

Bee:

Firmly summer.

Nathan:

I was also looking at the box office.

Nathan:

I'll do this really quick.

Nathan:

And people that, audience.

Nathan:

Let us know if this box office rundown is dragging or not.

Nathan:

But I love looking at this because I think it gives context.

Nathan:

What was going on in the box office that weekend in Memorial Day is

Nathan:

always a fascinating weekend for me.

Nathan:

But Indiana Jones debuted at number one, 37 million, see no evil, hear no evil.

Nathan:

And it was third week, 6.

Nathan:

3 million.

Nathan:

Anybody remember?

Nathan:

That's a

Bee:

fun movie.

Bee:

Is that the Gene Crowley?

Bee:

Yeah.

Nathan:

Yes.

Bee:

Yes.

Bee:

It's a great one.

Nathan:

Feel the dreams in a sixth week of release 5.

Nathan:

6 million.

Nathan:

I love feel the dreams.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

Again, rest in peace, James Earl Jones, his role in roadhouse

Nathan:

number two, what a great

Bee:

week.

Bee:

Yeah.

Nathan:

Number five, a movie I saw in the theater probably a week

Nathan:

after this was pink Cadillac Clint Eastwood movie was in this as well, 4.

Nathan:

4 million.

Nathan:

Number six was canine with 3.

Nathan:

1 million.

Nathan:

I think that's the James Belushi police dog movie.

Sam:

That's right.

Sam:

And Turner and Hooch with Tom Hanks came out later that summer.

Nathan:

Yes, exactly.

Nathan:

This made the box office top 10.

Nathan:

Okay.

Nathan:

Yep.

Nathan:

And in his fifth week of release in seven number seven in a

Nathan:

sixth week of release, making 2.

Nathan:

5 million was pet cemetery number eight in its eighth week of release.

Nathan:

1.

Nathan:

4 million was major league movie.

Nathan:

I saw twice in the theater.

Nathan:

I loved it so much because I love baseball movies, two baseball movies

Nathan:

in the top 10 this week and dogs rain, man, that number nine this week.

Nathan:

1.

Nathan:

2 million in its 24th week of release and number 10, a movie.

Nathan:

I don't remember at all.

Nathan:

Scandal just made under a million dollars.

Nathan:

I don't know.

Nathan:

I'm sure

Sam:

that

Nathan:

is

Bee:

what's crazy is that outside of.

Bee:

The second baseball movie and scandal.

Bee:

I have seen everything except the last crusade

Bee:

until this week

Nathan:

at the 62nd Academy Awards.

Nathan:

This was nominated for best score, best sound mixing, but in one best

Nathan:

sound editing, they liked the sound.

Sam:

And by the way, totally random comment.

Sam:

This is just me.

Sam:

I'm like obsessed with the clock, but this last crusade is like,

Sam:

Between seven and eight minutes longer than its two predecessors.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

Raiders is hour 51, Temple of Doom is hour 53 and Without credits.

Sam:

Last Crusade is two hours and one minute.

Sam:

I go, I'm just, I'm obsessive with, I'm fascinated by time.

Sam:

But so Raiders, if you really like Indiana Jones movies, there's more of

Sam:

Last Crusade, about eight minutes more.

Sam:

I

Bee:

think you can feel it.

Sam:

Yeah.

Nathan:

So I think we get now to our thoughts on this film.

Nathan:

I guess I'm going to take it away.

Bee:

Nathan.

Bee:

All

Nathan:

right.

Nathan:

I will take it away.

Nathan:

Okay you know something?

Nathan:

I'm gonna say something I thought would never come out of my mouth.

Bee:

Is this your

Nathan:

favorite?

Nathan:

And it's not really a hot take, but typically for people of my

Nathan:

generation, this may be blasphemy.

Nathan:

I think Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Is the

Nathan:

best film in this franchise.

Nathan:

Yeah, I've heard that a lot from people.

Nathan:

And after watching his first three movies my entire life, it

Nathan:

doesn't mean that it's my favorite.

Nathan:

It's teetering, but I think this is by far the most put

Nathan:

together film in the franchise.

Nathan:

Actually still, it might be my favorite, but I think it may, maybe that I'm

Nathan:

looking at this with, shall we say, there's some personal baggage as well,

Nathan:

as I watch these first day films.

Nathan:

I think it's obvious we're going back to the Raiders of the Lost Ark

Nathan:

of it all, and it has all the feels.

Nathan:

Of great action and location set pieces that Raiders had.

Nathan:

It's got that mystery.

Nathan:

It's got great villains, but also crusade gives us, I think, a version

Nathan:

of Indie we've never seen before.

Nathan:

And it does this in a couple of ways, two ways, basically.

Nathan:

And first, we got that great.

Nathan:

Prologue.

Nathan:

I think it's great.

Nathan:

Some people don't like it.

Nathan:

They find it fan service y, but I still think it's a wonderful opening.

Nathan:

And it does this with an, but also does this with incredible father

Nathan:

son storyline, which makes Indy more than just an action hero.

Nathan:

It transforms him into a character with real emotions.

Nathan:

In Paraders and in Temple of Doom, he is, I feel like he's strictly an action

Nathan:

hero and he's Given so much more to feel in this movie, the father son storyline

Nathan:

gives Indy emotional vulnerability, making him more than a archetypal action hero.

Nathan:

It turns them into someone that we can all relate to someone dealing with

Nathan:

unresolved family issues, longing for validation and ultimately finding peace.

Nathan:

And in that relationship rather than the treasures that he's seeking and to keep,

Nathan:

to keep the short I love all the course correction that Spielberg and his team are

Nathan:

doing with this film after temple of doom.

Nathan:

The comedy in this film is great.

Nathan:

Connery and Ford's chemistry is amazing and surprising because on paper.

Nathan:

This shouldn't work.

Nathan:

Neither of Con neither Connery and Ford are known for their

Nathan:

comedic chops and their timing, but somehow, It's amazing how

Sam:

good they just, their dynamic, like, how the f I'm like, when

Sam:

you see it, it's my god, these guys really are great actors.

Sam:

They come off as

Nathan:

Like a comedy team that could go on the road.

Nathan:

They're that good.

Nathan:

I, you would never think of these guys as non comedic actors.

Nathan:

This is the funniest Harrison Ford movie ever by a long stretch.

Nathan:

And this is not really a straight forward.

Nathan:

Actually it is a comedy.

Nathan:

It's an action comedy.

Nathan:

It really is.

Nathan:

But he's never been this funny.

Nathan:

He's never had this great comedic time.

Nathan:

The, comedic timing.

Nathan:

I have a lot more to say about this, but also the, I'm happy they shifted away

Nathan:

from slapstick humor and more toward site gags in general, funny banter.

Nathan:

I think was the right choice.

Nathan:

There are a few nitpicks I have in this movie, but.

Nathan:

It's just a stellar entry in this franchise, in this movie, more than

Nathan:

ever, I think from where I am in life, means the world to me, and I will talk

Nathan:

more about why that is in a little bit.

Nathan:

This is a five star movie.

Bee:

I love it.

Bee:

Yeah, we're so back.

Bee:

Yes, I.

Bee:

Loved this movie.

Bee:

I thought I was just so happy watching it the whole time I was screening ear to ear.

Bee:

I think you're right.

Bee:

It is an adventure comedy, an action comedy.

Bee:

I think this is a wonderful, delightful, and whimsical blend of camp, And

Bee:

action that we don't get to see a lot and it nearly crosses the line

Bee:

into being too much a few times and there's it perfectly reigns itself back

Bee:

and I think it just toes that line.

Bee:

The entire time we're back with amazing set pieces.

Bee:

I loved that intro.

Bee:

With the circus and the railroad cars, a bittersweet reveal for

Bee:

me with it being river Phoenix.

Bee:

I didn't know.

Bee:

Yeah.

Bee:

I was like, Oh my God.

Bee:

And, but over and over this movie sets up Indy, the idea of India, someone who

Bee:

might not always be a good guy, but who's always doing it for the right reasons.

Bee:

And we see that.

Bee:

I think the prologue sets that up really beautifully.

Bee:

It's a great sequence.

Bee:

It's really fun.

Bee:

It's action packed and also right away you see the score is going to

Bee:

be for me the best of the three.

Bee:

I had a wonderful time listening to the John Williams score.

Bee:

It felt like we were moving again.

Bee:

My big issue with Temple of Doom is you take this great action adventure

Bee:

hero and you put him in a haunted house and it felt claustrophobic and it

Bee:

felt like it dragged on for too long.

Bee:

Great to be out in the wild again, sprawling and traveling and seeing Indy

Bee:

challenged in element after element, not just tortured in a haunted house.

Bee:

That was really fun.

Bee:

And the casting is spot on.

Bee:

Like you mentioned, Nathan, there's she talks in her sleep, might

Bee:

be one of the best line reads.

Bee:

I It was so much fun.

Bee:

Sean Connery turns the everyman that Willie was in the last movie on its head.

Bee:

He's not helpless.

Bee:

He, in fact, is the helper.

Bee:

And he gets Indy where he needs to be in the end.

Bee:

I think Elsa's a great turncoat.

Bee:

That is, I love that every time in this movie when there's a love

Bee:

interest, we get a totally different dimension and type of woman.

Bee:

That's just a treat for me.

Bee:

We get to see John Rhys Davis again, that's incredible.

Bee:

Sorry, I feel like I'm taking forever on this one.

Bee:

I just, I love, I loved this movie and I like, The connection that Spielberg and

Bee:

Lucas are drawing with the with the Holy Grail and that sort of search for purity

Bee:

in intention that becomes, that later you can backfill to Temple and to Raiders.

Bee:

For me, it's a four and a half.

Bee:

I think Raiders hit the five star mark for me, but I thought this was wonderful.

Nathan:

All right.

Nathan:

Thank you.

Nathan:

Great.

Nathan:

Sam.

Sam:

I agree with everything you guys said.

Sam:

I love the movie.

Sam:

Few interesting things.

Sam:

When they did a first cut of the film Spielberg felt, That there wasn't enough

Sam:

action or he felt not, or what he said was he felt that we weren't giving them

Sam:

as much action as the audience expected.

Sam:

So that motorcycle chase right after they get out of the castle, that motorcycle

Sam:

chase was done after the fact in Marin County, California, right near Lucas

Sam:

Valley ranch, and it's excellent.

Sam:

And it's perfect that chase happened there.

Sam:

Cause I think what originally would have happened is that you just see that get gag

Sam:

where the Nazis are going into the boat and they like zoom by in the motorcycle

Sam:

and knock those two guys into the water.

Sam:

I think that was the original cut.

Sam:

And I'm so glad they added a chase there.

Sam:

I love the movie a lot.

Sam:

I, it is really.

Sam:

If you go online and look at debates, if they're like ranking Indiana

Sam:

Jones films, Last Crusade and Raiders are always neck and they're both so

Sam:

good that it's really hard to say one is much better than the other.

Sam:

If for me personally, I think just because Raiders was the first and it introduced

Sam:

this type of like modern action adventure, Raiders to me has the slightest edge.

Sam:

But I love Sean Conner in this movie.

Sam:

I love the character like their relationship.

Sam:

They seem not only is there, is it comedic, but they seem like.

Sam:

A real father and son.

Sam:

And I like how annoyed like Harrison gets at his dad and he's come on, dad, come on.

Sam:

It's just so realistic.

Sam:

And I appreciate that a lot more now.

Sam:

This was the first Indiana Jones I saw in the theater.

Sam:

It was like the last day of first grade.

Sam:

I was like eight years old.

Sam:

So I went to see it with my dad and like a matinee show.

Sam:

Just amazing.

Sam:

Obviously as an eight year old, I'm not going to get a joke about Get,

Sam:

understand the joke of Andy and his father sleeping with the same woman.

Sam:

That's something, figured out later on.

Sam:

And but like the visuals, the genius of Spielberg is like, love that movie

Sam:

as a little kid, and obviously I couldn't pick up on everything I picked

Sam:

up on now, but I could pick up on the visuals and the movement of the story.

Sam:

And it was just wildly entertaining.

Sam:

There's so much

Nathan:

momentum in this movie.

Sam:

There's so much momentum.

Sam:

They're moving.

Sam:

I think I to me, I feel like this is more of a bit more of a chase film where like

Sam:

Raiders, I like how Raiders spends a lot more of its time at the Tannis dig site.

Sam:

Like I like that mid section.

Sam:

This movie is more like, like globetrotting adventure.

Sam:

I love it.

Sam:

I would say if I was being nit pieces, I don't.

Sam:

Some of the set pieces I like better than others.

Sam:

For some reason it's clever and I like the thing with the boat propeller, but

Sam:

the boat chase in Venice, I've always thought that's good, but it doesn't

Sam:

for it for some, for other set pieces.

Sam:

I put that, that more lower on the bar.

Sam:

But what makes the movie and what elevates it and what this movie

Sam:

needs is a an incredible set piece.

Sam:

And I think the tank.

Sam:

Rivals, the truck chase in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Sam:

They're both about eight and a half minutes long.

Sam:

All the stuff that happens on the tank, all the, that's amazing.

Sam:

Them escaping the fireplace with the revolving door is amazing.

Sam:

So when the set pieces are at their best, they're incredible in this film.

Sam:

I think everything looks good.

Sam:

Like the catacombs under Venice.

Sam:

I just the, this movie has a very.

Sam:

epic feel because they're like literally going after the holy grail and it's

Sam:

like dangerous and far away in a canyon in the desert and i love the climax

Sam:

when they're in that place and they have those three challenges i mean i

Sam:

think the breath of god the word of god the path of god My favorite is when

Sam:

Indy literally has to jump into that impossible chasm on a leap of faith.

Sam:

And I was

Bee:

on the edge of my seat.

Bee:

That was so well done.

Bee:

I was so tricked by

Sam:

no, it was incredible.

Sam:

And but the stakes are so high at the end of that movie.

Sam:

It's like his, he is just rekindled with his father and

Sam:

his father's life is on the line.

Sam:

He has no choice.

Nathan:

That's what's great about it.

Nathan:

You've added the ticking clock element into this.

Nathan:

It's not about Indy getting the holy grail.

Nathan:

There's major stakes to this because of that, the urgency now, it's a

Nathan:

brilliant, it's a brilliant move, major

Sam:

stakes, incredible.

Sam:

And this is a piece of set design.

Sam:

I have always been obsessed with like cliffs and

Nathan:

not just like world saving stakes, it's personal stakes, personal

Sam:

stakes.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

It's like character driven stakes.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

I think.

Sam:

I don't know why I'm obsessed with it, but that cliff that Indy has to

Sam:

do the leap of faith on, the shot where he comes out and you're looking

Sam:

down at the blackness of that cliff, that place was epically terrifying.

Sam:

That temple and those challenges has the most supernatural,

Sam:

spiritual, otherworldly depth.

Sam:

dangerous feel to it in these, in just that places in my, I love the night.

Sam:

I love the humor.

Sam:

I liked the Sean Connery gets to meet the night because his academic

Sam:

quest is fulfilled and he, they can't cross the seal, but he waves him.

Sam:

The ending is just perfect.

Sam:

It's epic.

Sam:

I would give it four and a half.

Sam:

I just, because Raiders has that edge, but like I can arguably see

Sam:

this as a better movie than Raiders.

Sam:

That's why it's a challenge for me because I just, for me,

Sam:

it's just Raiders being first.

Sam:

But to your point, Nathan, one thing I think Spielberg or the cinematographer

Sam:

said in this film, because of its personal character driven nature,

Sam:

there are a lot more closeups of Indiana Jones, like extreme closeups

Sam:

on his face and his father face.

Sam:

He's not in as many closeups in the first two films.

Sam:

There'll be closeup shots, but it's more like wide or him talking to

Sam:

people in last crusade is a very, is the most personal of the three.

Sam:

And I can honestly see why Spielberg at that time wanted to end it there.

Sam:

Cause it's like the perfect trilogy ender.

Sam:

It's just perfect.

Sam:

It is, it

Bee:

sticks the landing more than the other two.

Sam:

It really, they literally ride off into the sunset in the last shot.

Sam:

How perfect is that?

Sam:

They're riding into the sunset.

Sam:

That's the shot.

Sam:

They actually ride toward it.

Sam:

It's And it also gets

Bee:

your comeuppance, which I really liked.

Sam:

Exactly.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

I love the ground splitting apart there with all the I remember being a little

Sam:

depressed after I saw the movie when I was a kid because I was so blown

Sam:

away by Indiana Jones's adventures.

Sam:

I was like, Dad, I want to go on adventures.

Sam:

Like, how do I get to do that?

Sam:

And he was like it's a movie, but yeah.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

Yeah.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

There's a point I, I was thinking about as I'm watching this, that it

Nathan:

stuck to my ribs as I, I couldn't shake there is a divine force that

Nathan:

seems to be watching over Indy.

Nathan:

And I love that the film is acknowledging that in this moment.

Nathan:

In, in, in this version, in, in this film here because Indie this film is in, on

Nathan:

the joke through the first two movies.

Nathan:

No matter what shenanigans befall him, he's going to be okay.

Nathan:

And it's not just that this movie's acknowledging that there's a

Nathan:

mystical presence or maybe it's a guardian angel that is with him.

Nathan:

And it's going to throw back his hat at the end of the scene as well.

Nathan:

And this movie is in, is finally in on the joke.

Nathan:

It knows who the audience is and what it is.

Nathan:

And it's for the first time, I feel like it's really comfortable

Nathan:

in its shoes and it knows how to.

Nathan:

Write the perfect movie that is addressing that because I, and I

Nathan:

love how it's embracing kind of the ridiculousness in a lot of ways that

Nathan:

this guy's gonna be okay no matter what.

Nathan:

He's not gonna fall off a cliff and the hat's gonna blow right into his hand.

Nathan:

He's gonna fall, jump into the water, and his hat's gonna float right over to him.

Nathan:

And we, I love when this

Sam:

hat just blows back in the ciid

Nathan:

and we think nothing of it because that's just.

Nathan:

He is just always going to have that kind of luck or a guardian angel

Nathan:

or something or God or whatever.

Bee:

He's a very like faith based filmmaker.

Bee:

And I think he does a great job in this blending the ridiculousness.

Bee:

That is faith sometimes,

Sam:

but, and you talk about the humor or like his faith or Indiana Jones always

Sam:

had, like having divine interception.

Sam:

I love it when he like survives the tank thing and his father's happy to see him.

Sam:

But Denholm Elliott is like standing in the background didn't

Sam:

he just fall off the cliff?

Sam:

He's he can't, he's like, how did that he, they're

Sam:

acknowledging how ridiculous it is.

Nathan:

I will say I wasn't.

Nathan:

necessarily thrilled with what they did with the Denholm Elliot character in this.

Sam:

I feel like they turned him into a total doofus, he's

Sam:

not a doofus in the first one.

Sam:

Yeah, he's

Nathan:

not.

Nathan:

And I think the movie needed that kind of comic relief, but he really

Nathan:

is a bumbling buffoon in this movie.

Sam:

And the moment that gets a huge laugh I will, cause I saw it, my,

Sam:

it's not even a complaint, but I saw this movie way too many times.

Sam:

I love it, but I almost know it too well, but I, in the theater, what

Sam:

always got laughs is when it's the cameras pushing in on Indiana Jones.

Sam:

He's Brody, you'll never find him.

Sam:

He'll blend in, disappear with any luck.

Sam:

He's got the grail already.

Sam:

And then it just cuts to Marcus Brody.

Sam:

He's Oh, does anyone interpret it?

Sam:

I speak ancient Greece.

Nathan:

I have to say it is my, one of my favorite quotes from this movie.

Nathan:

I did capture that audio and I want to play it because this just speaks

Nathan:

to the quality of the writing and the comedy in this, which is so much

Nathan:

better than the Temple of Dubai.

Nathan:

Oh, let me play it here.

Trailer:

He's given them to Marcus Brody.

Sam:

Marks.

Sam:

He didn't drag poor Marcus along, did you?

Sam:

He's not up to the challenge.

Sam:

He sticks out

Trailer:

like a sore thumb.

Trailer:

We'll find him.

Trailer:

That hell you will.

Trailer:

He's got a two day head start on you, which is more than he needs.

Trailer:

Brody's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan.

Trailer:

He speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom.

Trailer:

He'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again.

Trailer:

With any luck, he's got the grill already.

Bee:

Does anyone See, I thought that was Indy bluffing, I thought he yeah.

Bee:

He's

Nathan:

totally

Bee:

bluffing.

Bee:

He knows, he's just trying to throw the

Sam:

Nazis off.

Sam:

You know what's interesting too, I feel like It's a bit

Nathan:

later, it's a bit later where he's talking to his dad like, yeah,

Nathan:

he'd get lost in his own museum.

Nathan:

He tells his dad that, yeah.

Nathan:

What's

Sam:

interesting with this movie Like Raiders, Spielberg himself actually

Sam:

seems more interested in the story as a director, so when there's like expository

Sam:

dialogue, when they're explaining things, there's like, when he's with Donovan at

Sam:

that like cocktail party, they talk about the plot and they talk about how to find

Sam:

the grail and it's very focused on it.

Sam:

In Temple of Doom, Every time there's plot forwarding moments Spielberg was

Sam:

always undercutting it with Oh, here's some gross out comedy or here's someone

Nathan:

God.

Nathan:

Yes.

Sam:

And Raiders and crusade.

Sam:

They actually they focus on the They let the story, they don't, when it

Sam:

comes to expository dialogue, they don't, the movie doesn't like try

Sam:

to make you not pay attention to it.

Sam:

It just focuses on it.

Sam:

And it in and of itself is interesting.

Nathan:

I'm so glad you brought this up, Sam, because this is something I

Nathan:

wanted to mention the last two movies, and I kept forgetting to do so because

Nathan:

in Raiders of the Lost Ark, there's a very important expository dialogue

Nathan:

that happens where they're talking about where the Nazis are digging.

Nathan:

And it's something that I.

Nathan:

Always never really paid attention to because at the same time it's

Nathan:

when Indy has the poison date and all you're doing is watching.

Nathan:

Is he going to eat the date?

Nathan:

Is he going to eat the date?

Nathan:

But him and Sal are talking about where they're digging.

Nathan:

The Nazis are digging in the wrong place in the back of the

Bee:

coin.

Nathan:

Exactly.

Nathan:

And I have, I had to watch it probably like 15 times to start paying

Nathan:

attention to that bit of dialogue.

Nathan:

The other thing in temple of doom There's this whole conversation about

Nathan:

the thuggy cult happening at the dinner that I'm not paying attention to because

Nathan:

I'm watching all the gross out food that's happening, but there's a lot of

Nathan:

information going on at that scene that no one's paying attention to in this movie.

Nathan:

One of my biggest complaints was that they're dumping all this expository

Nathan:

dialogue, and no one's paying attention to it because don't listen to this.

Nathan:

Look at this.

Sam:

I think Spielberg himself said too, that like he, he often

Sam:

he'll do a lot of meticulous storyboarding on action sequences.

Sam:

He did a lot less storyboarding with Temple of Doom.

Sam:

He said that he was under uncomfortable with the darker nature

Sam:

of the story, and he didn't quite tonally feel comfortable with it.

Sam:

So he said that he went out of his way.

Sam:

To interject as much humor as he could to lighten up the movie.

Sam:

And you can see those tones at odds with each other in that film.

Sam:

Whereas this film, the wit and the action, it's like, it feels just like

Sam:

everyone's on the same page this go round just, and I thought I was, I forgot.

Bee:

I think that speaks to the comfort.

Bee:

That you mentioned earlier, Nathan, there's just this, we've lived in

Bee:

this character's skin, everyone who's worked on this movie has followed

Bee:

along and grown with the character and thought about the character and

Bee:

they're growing in the same direction.

Bee:

And there's a confidence And storytelling that comes from that, I think that

Sam:

like tank chase, it means a lot because it's just that this movie has

Sam:

that desert, like a B you talked about in the first film, how everyone's

Sam:

like really dirty and grimy and dusty.

Sam:

Like

Bee:

the 80s were the sweatiest time to make

Sam:

this film goes back to that, like the dirt and the light.

Sam:

Desert and like vehicles kicking up dust and horses.

Sam:

It's got that it's back to that.

Sam:

That third act really helps make the movie for me because to the grandeur of it.

Sam:

I love everything else, but I love how big the ending gets.

Sam:

It's just their quest.

Sam:

It's huge.

Sam:

Yeah.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

Man, what else?

Nathan:

I actually have some thoughts on the ending and you might not.

Nathan:

Like all my comments on it, but I don't want to jump there yet.

Nathan:

Cause there's a few things I think is also important to mention that,

Nathan:

the course correction with the lesser emphasis on blood and gore is a big thing.

Nathan:

It's funny that temple doom is rated PG.

Nathan:

This was PG 13 and there is not.

Nathan:

Barely a trace of blood in this movie.

Nathan:

I think the only blood we see might be on River Phoenix's chin

Nathan:

in the beginning of this movie.

Sam:

It might just be the anxiety that like all the decapitated

Sam:

heads in this movie might bring.

Sam:

That could be it.

Sam:

Like a

Nathan:

lot of people, perhaps.

Nathan:

But.

Nathan:

I, so there's that.

Nathan:

What else?

Sam:

I will say one nitpicky thing, and this is just I totally love

Sam:

this movie, but I wanted to, Nathan, you know how you'll sometimes talk

Sam:

about okay, so I've never noticed this ever watching it before, but

Sam:

when they're tied up to the chair.

Sam:

In the castle.

Sam:

Yep.

Sam:

And he's let's me kill them now.

Sam:

And then Elsa's no, they might be useful.

Sam:

They all leave the room.

Sam:

There's no guard.

Sam:

Like they just left them there.

Sam:

What's that was a little bit like, that's a little convenient.

Sam:

There's little

Bee:

plot holes like that.

Bee:

Like in the.

Bee:

Airport or like off the blimp or whatever, when they punch the guy.

Bee:

And then it's that's never really followed up on.

Bee:

There's some stuff like that.

Bee:

That just doesn't come all the way full circle.

Bee:

It doesn't distract me, but I noticed it.

Bee:

This was the first time I,

Nathan:

go ahead, Sam.

Sam:

Oh, no, I was gonna say, I know it's meant as like comedy, but with the

Sam:

first time when he like bumps into Adolf Hitler in the theater, I was terrified

Sam:

because I was like, Oh my God, he's going to like, take, he's going to find out

Sam:

who it is that he signs his autograph.

Sam:

And you're like, Oh, like that, that, that scene is tense.

Sam:

But it was funny

Nathan:

going back to the blimp for a moment.

Nathan:

This was the first time I noticed, and this was like probably looped in

Nathan:

dialogue in post that Indy destroyed the radio on the Zeppelin afterwards.

Nathan:

I never heard picked up in that.

Nathan:

Yes.

Nathan:

I noticed that too.

Nathan:

Yes.

Nathan:

And because I always was wondering how stupid, like this

Nathan:

doesn't make any sense at all.

Nathan:

If he's throwing general Vogel.

Nathan:

Out of the Zeppelin, why is the Zeppelin still taking off?

Nathan:

Like, why aren't they like calling the come back?

Nathan:

Like, why is it taking them like a half hour to figure this out?

Nathan:

And I never picked up on that, that looped in dialogue when they're going through

Nathan:

the belly of the Zeppelin afterwards until until this past week, like 30.

Nathan:

I know

Sam:

It's amazing.

Sam:

Like I've noticed little bits of dialogue that like the first time watching

Sam:

temple recently, I actually did not focus on all the gross out stuff and I

Sam:

listened to the expository dialogue and they explained a lot about the thuggy.

Sam:

I was like, man, I'd never knew that before.

Sam:

This is only my 40th time watching this movie, but I hear that.

Sam:

I, and, but there's little things like that.

Sam:

I love it when Sean Connery shoots the tail of the plane, but when it

Sam:

shows the wide shot of the plane.

Sam:

Yes.

Sam:

The tail's fine.

Sam:

Like it's,

Nathan:

by the way, there are like four major action set pieces in this film.

Nathan:

There's like the boat chase, there's the motorcycle chase.

Nathan:

There's the plane dog fight in the tank chase.

Nathan:

The plane dog fight.

Nathan:

It's really cool.

Nathan:

And I love the banter between him and his dad, but.

Nathan:

It looks awful.

Nathan:

Like those hats, they couldn't bother to have like even the

Nathan:

tiniest little fan blowing them to show that there is some wind.

Nathan:

I

Bee:

was just watching this so happy because I was like, man,

Bee:

these guys fucking love planes

Nathan:

like

Bee:

their

Nathan:

hats off or something, because it just, it shows that

Nathan:

they are clearly not fine.

Nathan:

And the funny thing is.

Nathan:

Steven Spielberg did another movie involving planes that same year, and that,

Nathan:

those flying sequences look a lot better.

Sam:

Yeah, they're, yeah, no, exactly, that was Christmas 89, that's incredible

Sam:

that's Ellie's favorite movie, sorry, sorry Ellie, I couldn't resist but yeah

Sam:

but even in 1989, That plane chase was very entertaining, but even as a kid,

Sam:

it looked, I could feel like I couldn't articulate it back then, but it looked a

Sam:

little wonky, but I like, I do love the, yeah, I love it when like the Nazi flies

Sam:

into the, under the bridge and like clips his wings and just slides past them on

Sam:

like under the top of those hilarious.

Sam:

That was

Nathan:

amazing.

Nathan:

I know you mentioned the tank chase, but like you said, I love

Nathan:

that you said that tank chase is on par with the chase in Raiders.

Nathan:

I think I agree.

Nathan:

And Harrison Ford riding a horse, chasing down.

Nathan:

I think, my God is Is there a better, is there a more natural combination

Nathan:

of two mammals on screen with,

Bee:

I can't think of, I can't think of it.

Bee:

You are forgetting about one great set piece though, Nathan.

Bee:

And it's the first one it's with River Phoenix.

Nathan:

It is great.

Nathan:

It is great.

Nathan:

That's amazing.

Nathan:

I

Bee:

love you get so much good backstory not to drag us all the way

Bee:

back to the beginning, but there's so much good stuff that happens.

Bee:

Yeah, I'm taking us along.

Bee:

Learning that Indy gets the scar on his chin from fighting a lion.

Bee:

That's pretty cool.

Bee:

Perfect.

Bee:

And I just the whole circus car chase I thought was great.

Bee:

And then getting to see his dad and how that sets all that up was perfect.

Sam:

Yep.

Sam:

I also love the opening shot of the mountain, like the

Sam:

Paramount logo on the mountain.

Sam:

The movie starts like I just love the variety of Indiana Jones movies opening.

Sam:

Cause it depends on what mood you're in.

Sam:

If you want like a big splashy nightclub scene, go see Temple.

Sam:

If you want this epic desert, beautiful shots in Utah and there's always,

Sam:

there's like singing at the beginning.

Sam:

I don't know if it's, if that's like the Boy Scouts or like Native

Sam:

Americans in the background.

Sam:

I never knew what that was.

Sam:

Cindy

Bee:

was a Boy Scout.

Sam:

No, but there's there's audio at the beginning and there's

Sam:

like singing and drums that you can hear behind the mountain.

Sam:

And I've always loved that.

Sam:

I never know what that was supposed to be, but it sounded cool.

Sam:

I can't wait

Bee:

to rewatch these movies because you, sometimes you both say stuff

Bee:

about them and I'm like, there's so much I'm sure I'm not picking up on.

Nathan:

I want to talk a couple of things about the end because I do have

Nathan:

a couple of nitpicks with the end.

Nathan:

I love this movie through and throughout, but there's a couple

Nathan:

of silly things at the end here.

Nathan:

Donovan and Elsa enter this chamber.

Nathan:

First of all, they're ignoring this 700 year old man dressed like a knight,

Nathan:

just, chilling there and maybe talk to that guy for a minute or two.

Nathan:

I don't know.

Nathan:

He might have something.

Nathan:

They're Nazis, Nathan.

Nathan:

They're bad people.

Nathan:

I know, but it's, it makes, paints them as just not very.

Nathan:

Interesting villains, they're not, and here's what silly is that Donovan

Nathan:

goes through the effort of sending in his minions into these trials

Nathan:

one at a time to you do this so that I don't die, but he so cavalierly

Nathan:

drinks from the grail, and Wait, so

Sam:

you mean when they enter the grail room as villains, they just seem like dumb

Sam:

or cartoonish or I didn't quite understand

Nathan:

what I'm saying, what I'm trying to say is maybe I didn't explain it

Nathan:

properly because I do that a lot of times, but Donovan is sending in all his minions

Nathan:

and Nazi soldiers in one at a time into the trial, like the first one, the breath

Nathan:

of God, and they're beheading them one at a time and that's smart, don't do it

Nathan:

himself, he's sending in other people.

Nathan:

To do it, which is also weird.

Nathan:

It's not about the penitent man must kneel.

Nathan:

The penitent man must kneel and roll, which is, I don't know if that's

Nathan:

supposed to be, but anyways, so he, but once Indy goes through, apparently

Nathan:

that trial has been triggered.

Nathan:

You don't have to ever do it again.

Nathan:

He's able to do somehow.

Nathan:

He also knows he can do the word of God.

Nathan:

I guess he heard Indy.

Nathan:

His dad tell him how to do that part about, Jehovah, he, even though Indy

Nathan:

did the bridge, he was able to do that.

Nathan:

I know he put some pebbles and stuff over it, but he didn't, he only did

Nathan:

like the first five or seven feet of it.

Nathan:

And that's like a 30 foot bridge.

Nathan:

And he was, he would still do that.

Nathan:

But even after he gets to the Knights chamber, he gets in there and.

Nathan:

He is so cavalier about, I can't decide and else's Oh, I'll choose for him.

Nathan:

Maybe not.

Nathan:

Maybe I'll have one of these other guys do it.

Sam:

In that moment.

Sam:

Yeah,

Nathan:

exactly.

Nathan:

And I'm like, it's just turned him into such a stupid character.

Nathan:

I get it.

Nathan:

I get it.

Nathan:

It's great for the film.

Nathan:

But when I thought about it, I was like, you know what?

Nathan:

It's just, it just doesn't work.

Nathan:

They needed it for the story, but it's a, I always thought I always

Sam:

had this like alternate hilarious ending in my head where the night is

Sam:

so glad that someone's there that like the night runs away and Indiana Jones

Sam:

is forced to be the new guardian.

Sam:

So he's just stuck in that room for the rest of his life.

Sam:

And like the movie ends with a taciturn Harrison Ford, like

Sam:

sitting on the night's chair.

Sam:

And he's just shit, and then the camera pulls back and that's it.

Sam:

I

Nathan:

just feel bad.

Nathan:

They fucked up that night's house, like I know

Sam:

she's still stuck there alive, technically forever.

Sam:

And like his place.

Sam:

I was like, do

Bee:

we think it reset?

Bee:

He doesn't

Nathan:

have the grail anymore, does he?

Nathan:

The grail fell into the pit.

Nathan:

It's just that it's still there.

Nathan:

It's on that ledge.

Bee:

It fell underneath.

Bee:

It's just,

Nathan:

so the knight can just swoop down and go get it, put it back, you think?

Bee:

It's I don't know, it's still on the foundation, that would be such an

Sam:

inappropriate mood killer if, after the end credits, it cuts back to the grail

Sam:

on the ledge and you see the knight reach for it, but he just falls in and he's

Nathan:

Does the knight, does the knight die?

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

I

Sam:

feel like the grail force field is still protecting that area.

Sam:

So I think he's just stuck there and he's got all the time in the world.

Sam:

So he can slowly chisel away at that pillar.

Sam:

That's like blocking the exit.

Sam:

He's got some, he's got some maintenance jobs to do in there.

Nathan:

The last thing I just want to say, I think these, we talked about.

Nathan:

The scene where Elsa is hanging from Indy's hand and soon falls and Indy takes

Nathan:

her place and his dad is holding him for me is the most important scene in this

Nathan:

entire

Nathan:

film because throughout we've been told that Henry only cares about

Nathan:

the grail and his son is secondary.

Nathan:

That's what the essence of what we've been led, what's going on here.

Nathan:

And Indy desperately wants to have his dad's approval and affection.

Nathan:

And he has that opportunity to grab the grail and his father

Nathan:

calls out, Indiana, let it go.

Nathan:

And in that instant, Henry is both acknowledging that It's not worth it, but

Nathan:

you are, and basically you're not defined by your treasures, but by being my son.

Nathan:

And in that instant, like all their shit is resolved and it's

Nathan:

such a great bit of writing.

Nathan:

It's a great moment.

Sam:

And it's the first time he calls him Indiana in the whole movie.

Sam:

He's always called him junior.

Sam:

So it's it's, I have literally just said the same thing.

Sam:

Spielberg loves the scene.

Sam:

And I think he.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

Loves the movie because that moment like just

Bee:

it's this is a great double feature with the Fableman's

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Sam:

Interesting.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

I love

Nathan:

it.

Nathan:

He's working out a lot of stuff.

Nathan:

A lot of issues.

Nathan:

Daddy issues.

Nathan:

For sure.

Bee:

A lot of his movies have big child of divorce energy,

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

You know what?

Nathan:

There is, there's another clip that I want to play here.

Nathan:

Then we could probably take a break here.

Nathan:

Okay.

Nathan:

I know we're going backwards from the climax of this movie

Nathan:

here, but there's such a, there's a lot of subtle moments here.

Nathan:

I love all the quiet dialogue that Indy and his dad have, and there's the great

Nathan:

scene on the Zeppelin, but there's the scene also where after the tank falls down

Nathan:

and Henry thinks he lost his son and he has that scene where I think I thought

Nathan:

I lost him and all that and he sees that He lived we already talked about this a

Nathan:

little bit You But for a few seconds, he becomes his father and he hugs him and.

Nathan:

It's one of the, it's such a great moment where Indiana Jones, he smiles

Nathan:

and he's being embraced by his dad.

Nathan:

And honestly, it's the first time I watch this movie where I actually started to

Nathan:

cry because I know that feeling, to seek that affection from someone and then.

Nathan:

Five seconds later, it's like back to work, and it's almost I didn't mean to

Nathan:

get that sentimental, so it's such, it was a home hitting moment in a lot of

Nathan:

ways for me, but yeah but that was the essence of this whole movie and then

Nathan:

it culminates in that ending, but yeah.

Bee:

It's a perfect ending.

Bee:

It's, like I said, the ending out of the three that sticks

Bee:

the landing for me the most.

Bee:

Especially, I really didn't like the ending of Temple, and I

Bee:

think this is so much stronger.

Bee:

It does a couple things.

Bee:

What you're talking about with the father and son relationship,

Bee:

Nathan, I think is spot on.

Bee:

It's so validating, not just that they find each other and have affection for

Bee:

each other despite their differences, but how they're two pieces of a puzzle, and

Bee:

their work complements each other so well.

Bee:

That they are that they work together.

Bee:

And that they're this great combination and that together

Bee:

they can solve these problems.

Bee:

And I like that the diary is the sort of prop throughout the film

Bee:

that tells the story of distance and then bring each other closer.

Bee:

And then it's just a tool that's used, pages are ripped out, but that bond is

Bee:

still the same and that togetherness.

Bee:

And you get such great storytelling at the end because you see Elsa fall and

Bee:

you see her It comes back to intention again, and yes, it's the moment of

Bee:

Sean Connery Henry saying, Indiana.

Bee:

It's I choose you.

Bee:

You're my priority over this, but it's also the character development for Indy.

Bee:

It's what we get to see him grow as to and saying, I'm going to put family first

Bee:

and the intention behind this first.

Sam:

Also, one quick thing that I was just thinking that I really like, but

Sam:

the story structure is even though the MacGuffin is the grail, I like cleverly

Sam:

doing the script where it's like the diary, but Brody has the map, but they

Sam:

go back to Berlin just to get the diary.

Sam:

It's not quite straightforward.

Sam:

And I like the twists and turns are entertaining there.

Bee:

Some great accoutrements.

Nathan:

Great accessories.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

This movie is just so smart, lean, and we're gonna wrap this up.

Nathan:

I, one of the things I think just makes this.

Nathan:

Just wonderful filmmaking being the third film in this franchise is that The things

Nathan:

that were, Already familiar, so familiar with the Indy character in the universe.

Nathan:

We, we don't have to keep seeing over and over.

Nathan:

Like for instance, what I'm trying to say is like when they get to Berlin

Nathan:

and Indy overtakes a guard to get his uniform, we actually only see a quick

Nathan:

moment of some feet being dragged.

Nathan:

It, Indy steps out dressed as a Nazi soldier

Sam:

and the camera passes by their motorcycle.

Sam:

And it's just Oh, they're here.

Sam:

And they punched a guy out.

Sam:

Got it.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

Okay.

Nathan:

We can fill in the gaps we've already seen so many times

Nathan:

having watched him sneak up on enemies and do this sort of thing.

Nathan:

It saves us from having to watch it again.

Nathan:

That's keeping this, the momentum moving forward.

Nathan:

We can picture it in our mind's eye, how that exchange went down.

Nathan:

Spielberg was smart enough to trust the audience did not have

Nathan:

to show us another instance of.

Nathan:

Indy sneaking up on somebody and punching him and taking him out.

Nathan:

We didn't need another fight sequence.

Nathan:

We got what we needed to in those little moments.

Nathan:

So it is it's really well done.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

I don't have anything else.

Nathan:

I don't know about you guys.

Bee:

It was great.

Bee:

It's a good movie.

Nathan:

All right.

Nathan:

Let's take a quick break.

Nathan:

So thanks everyone for joining us.

Nathan:

We appreciate you to the Maximus.

Nathan:

Don't let the theme of our show fool you.

Nathan:

We are all about connecting with our listeners and we'd love to hear your

Nathan:

thoughts on the films we discuss.

Nathan:

If you've seen Indiana Jones and the last crusade and want to share

Nathan:

your opinions, send us an email at.

Nathan:

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Nathan:

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Nathan:

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Nathan:

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Nathan:

on the show and the movies we cover.

Nathan:

We can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Tik TOK threads, YouTube,

Nathan:

and Twitter still, and one of the things I just want to mention, we are.

Nathan:

Still actively trying to grow our audience.

Nathan:

And, I post so much on our socials and all these places I just mentioned,

Nathan:

but word of mouth is by far the best way of growing our audience.

Nathan:

So if you are a fan of our show, I would just ask, please tell someone.

Nathan:

That you love and listen to back to the frame rate.

Nathan:

That is the best way of helping us grow our fan base.

Nathan:

So we would appreciate it.

Nathan:

Okay.

Nathan:

So we're going to come back and get to our decisions on whether

Nathan:

Indiana Jones and the last crusade is going to be saved in a vault.

Nathan:

For future generations are purged into the fiery apocalypse.

Nathan:

Seems like there might not be a lot of suspense here, but I will go first.

Nathan:

Cause I went first on my review.

Nathan:

I, like I said before, if I think this is a better movie than Raiders

Nathan:

of the Lost Ark, and I said that was a perfect film, then absolutely.

Nathan:

This movie has to be saved.

Nathan:

If these were the only two Indiana Jones movies ever made, then they would be.

Nathan:

That's all I would ever need.

Nathan:

Yes, this movie must be saved in our vault, a hundred percent.

Bee:

Yeah.

Bee:

I totally agree.

Bee:

I, I was a little on the fence earlier because Raiders is just such a perfect all

Bee:

encapsulating film, but this movie just touches on so much character development

Bee:

that I do think if you're going to have multiple Indiana Jones movies in

Bee:

the vault, these are the two to have.

Bee:

The differences are important enough.

Bee:

So it's a yes for me.

Nathan:

But B, you haven't seen Crystal Skull yet, so we don't know.

Bee:

Sure.

Bee:

Maybe we can have three.

Bee:

I don't know.

Bee:

My mind's open.

Bee:

I know literally nothing about it.

Bee:

Are there still Nazis?

Bee:

I don't know.

Sam:

We shall find out.

Bee:

Okay.

Bee:

I was surprised to see them back.

Bee:

I was like, ooh.

Sam:

Though I truly love this movie, I don't, I would not include it in the

Sam:

vault just because, no I'm kidding, I would put it in the vault, yeah.

Bee:

I totally believed you, Sam.

Bee:

Me too.

Bee:

Yeah, I was like, alright.

Nathan:

You should trade a fuck with us.

Sam:

Yeah, pretty much.

Sam:

But I can't say, yeah, like I agree.

Sam:

It's if I, it's almost as good as Raiders, it's of course, like I

Sam:

can't, I also, when it comes to, if we did the Star Trek franchise, I'd

Sam:

be doomed because I'm a completionist.

Sam:

So even the shitty ones, like I need to have all of them

Sam:

on a shelf so I can have the.

Sam:

To choose.

Sam:

If one movie's missing, as terrible as it is, that's the one I'm going to

Sam:

want to watch because it's not there.

Nathan:

All right.

Nathan:

That was, I think, that was a really good discussion of this film.

Nathan:

Thanks.

Nathan:

That was Thanks guys.

Nathan:

All right.

Bee:

I'm so glad.

Bee:

Something that will never happen.

Sam:

Oh, no, what were you going to say?

Bee:

I was just going to say, I'm so glad to be watching these finally.

Bee:

And.

Bee:

Thanks, guys, for going along and doing a rewatch for me, because

Bee:

I really wanted to see these.

Bee:

It

Nathan:

only gets better from here.

Sam:

It's true, and one thing that will probably never happen on the show, but

Sam:

if you want to talk bad threequels, if we did threequels from 1983, we could do

Sam:

Jaws 3D and Smokey and the Bandit Part 3.

Sam:

Awful movies.

Sam:

That'll never happen, but listeners stay tuned for when

Bee:

we're

Bee:

all together to watch Jaws next year.

Nathan:

Let's get this in the room.

Nathan:

I almost forgot to do this.

Nathan:

Here we go.

Bumper:

All right.

Sam:

Junior.

Bumper:

All

Nathan:

right.

Nathan:

It is time to get to our Harrison Ford movie draft and check out

Nathan:

my snazzy new movie draft bumper.

Bumper:

Truth wise, you take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland and I

Bumper:

show you how to beat the radicals.

Bumper:

I reprogrammed the simulation so it was possible to rescue the ship.

Bumper:

What?

Bumper:

You cheated.

Bumper:

I don't like to lose.

Bumper:

Come on.

Sam:

Yes.

Sam:

I I am all about Captain Kirk from Star Trek 2, The Wrath of Khan.

Sam:

And that audio quote, incredible.

Nathan:

I had

Sam:

some fun.

Sam:

One thing that's missing is you should have had, he chose P P P P Pauly.

Nathan:

Maybe I'll do a remix of it.

Nathan:

Need some help.

Nathan:

Anybody want to do some audio editing out there?

Nathan:

Email us.

Nathan:

All right.

Nathan:

I'm a busy guy.

Nathan:

I'm a busy guy.

Sam:

That was actually really well done.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

Okay.

Nathan:

Okay.

Nathan:

So rules of our Harrison Ford movie draft.

Nathan:

We're in the middle of our Indiana Jones retrospective.

Nathan:

So why not do this?

Nathan:

The rules are this.

Nathan:

We are each going to draft five Harrison Ford movies.

Nathan:

And we cannot draft this.

Nathan:

Once a movie is drafted, it is off the table book.

Nathan:

Off the table.

Nathan:

It is and we just want to get our five feet movies.

Nathan:

I'm excited.

Nathan:

All right.

Nathan:

And Saint, this

Sam:

ain't no joke.

Sam:

This is gonna be epic.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

So what's funny is I looked at his filmography.

Nathan:

He is not the most prolific.

Nathan:

Actor out there.

Nathan:

He's been around since the early seventies, but man, he, and he is a

Bee:

little bit of a journeyman too, right?

Bee:

He just takes job.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

So let's see what happens.

Nathan:

And I had to do this.

Nathan:

Did you, I know I didn't, I sprung this on you, but do you have any

Nathan:

particular strategy you wanna share?

Bee:

No.

Bee:

I'm not telling you.

Trailer:

Poker, puh, poker face.

Trailer:

Okay.

Bee:

Alright, speaking of my fave, my favorite hair is important.

Nathan:

To do this in a fair way, this is how, we will do a random number for

Nathan:

this, cause I don't have a better system.

Nathan:

No, I like the order we were in.

Nathan:

1 to

Bee:

20?

Nathan:

We'll do 1 to 20.

Bee:

11.

Nathan:

He has 11.

Nathan:

16.

Nathan:

And I'll do, and I'll do 2.

Nathan:

And it is 18.

Nathan:

Woo!

Nathan:

So Sam, you are going 1st, Bea, you are going 2nd, and I'm going 3rd.

Trailer:

Okay.

Trailer:

A trilogy of people.

Nathan:

A three quill.

Nathan:

Alright, so Sam, you get the first pick in our movie draft,

Nathan:

Harrison Ford movie draft.

Nathan:

And I want to do this also let's like a timer, like 10 seconds at most.

Nathan:

So let's do this fast.

Nathan:

So keep this entertaining,

Sam:

sounds good.

Sam:

So I, when I was born in 1981, for my first choice, I would choose the

Sam:

excellent Peter Weir directed film Witness starring Harrison Ford.

Nathan:

Okay.

Nathan:

Witness at the table.

Bee:

Dammit.

Nathan:

Already done.

Nathan:

Not happy.

Nathan:

All right, B.

Bee:

Blade Runner.

Nathan:

Blade Runner.

Nathan:

Oh, you guys, I don't know what's

Bee:

wrong with me.

Bee:

B's second favorite movie.

Bee:

Okay.

Nathan:

I am, I'm going to go with Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Bee:

Dammit.

Bee:

All right.

Bee:

It's fine.

Bee:

I'm fine.

Nathan:

You're fine.

Nathan:

You're fine.

Nathan:

We're fine.

Bee:

I'm fine.

Bee:

It's fine.

Bee:

All

Nathan:

right.

Nathan:

I got my Indiana Jones in.

Nathan:

All right.

Nathan:

And are we doing snake?

Nathan:

We're doing snake.

Nathan:

I didn't mention that before, but we have to do snake.

Nathan:

Do what?

Nathan:

Snake order.

Nathan:

Snake order.

Nathan:

So I have the fourth pick.

Nathan:

The third and fourth pick, we do snake order throughout.

Nathan:

I'm just bringing the sign in now.

Nathan:

Oh.

Nathan:

You know what I'm saying?

Bee:

Yeah, either way, I'm in the middle, doesn't matter.

Nathan:

Right.

Nathan:

I want to witness, but that's okay.

Nathan:

I have to get in the two of the biggest franchises he was in.

Nathan:

But I, he's, he was never cooler.

Nathan:

In a Star Wars movie than he was in Empire Strikes Back.

Bee:

Mm hmm.

Nathan:

Okay.

Bee:

I'm going Last Crusade.

Nathan:

Last Crusade.

Nathan:

I'm gonna take the movie

Bee:

we just watched.

Nathan:

Last Crusade is off the table.

Nathan:

All right, Blade Runner Last Crusade, we are all in the 80s still.

Sam:

Wait, do I, It's the early days.

Sam:

I go now, right?

Sam:

Or do I not?

Nathan:

Yes, you and you pick two.

Nathan:

You get two picks, Sam.

Sam:

Oh, wow.

Sam:

Options.

Bee:

I'm gonna.

Bee:

Are the middles really.

Bee:

I'm

Sam:

gonna.

Sam:

I'm gonna.

Sam:

So I can choose two right now is what you're saying?

Sam:

Yes.

Sam:

Yes.

Sam:

That's incredible.

Sam:

I'm gonna do a one, two Philip Noyce punch from 1992 and 1994.

Sam:

That would be.

Sam:

You aren't you?

Sam:

Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger.

Bee:

I was going to do Patriot Games.

Bee:

Oh, I was going to do Patriot Games.

Bee:

Okay, it's fine.

Sam:

I had those two available to me.

Sam:

It was all too clear.

Bee:

I'm doing The Fugitive.

Nathan:

The Fugitive.

Nathan:

Tommy Lee Jones.

Nathan:

All my favorites are being taken away.

Nathan:

Joey Pants.

Nathan:

Okay, my top tier is gone, all except for one.

Nathan:

But, I don't know if I want that one.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

And okay, this is going to sound like an odd pick, but I think this is an

Nathan:

extremely underrated movie, and I think the only time he ever played

Nathan:

a villain, and I love this movie to death, and this is What Lies Beneath.

Sam:

Ooh, good one.

Sam:

Good choice.

Bee:

Never seen it.

Bee:

I love the variety.

Bee:

You'd like it, it's

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scary.

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I would.

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I love this.

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It's actually really good.

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Yeah.

Nathan:

And I can't, I had to go with that because I've got

Nathan:

the other franchise covered.

Nathan:

Nobody's picked the other anyways, it's okay.

Nathan:

I know B, you're not going to take any Star Wars movies.

Bee:

I like Star Wars.

Bee:

There's no reason that I wouldn't take any Star Wars movies.

Nathan:

All right.

Nathan:

Oh, I've got another pick.

Nathan:

I think I have another pick.

Nathan:

All right.

Nathan:

I get another one.

Nathan:

Hmm.

Nathan:

I can't, I don't want two Star Wars movies in my pick.

Nathan:

I want variety.

Nathan:

And you've taken all the ones that I want, so I am gonna go down another tier.

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You sure it's not Return of the Jedi

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. Nathan: Sorry man.

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And I am going to here's okay, this is gonna be a little weird Be

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you took Blade Runner and I am a giant fan of Blade 20 20, 20 49.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I was gonna take

Bee:

it.

Bee:

That's a great, it's a great legacy.

Bee:

Cool.

Nathan:

Yeah, I'm done with that.

Nathan:

I love

Bee:

that movie.

Bee:

Fuck.

Nathan:

All right.

Nathan:

I only got one pick after this.

Nathan:

All right.

Nathan:

How many

Bee:

picks do I have?

Nathan:

You get you're up, you got two picks.

Nathan:

These are your last two, , you got one pick.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

Yeah, you're in the middle.

Bee:

Okay.

Bee:

All right.

Bee:

This is tough.

Bee:

This is tough.

Bee:

I'll go Star Wars.

Bee:

Let's do the OG Star Wars.

Nathan:

Alright.

Nathan:

Sam?

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Get off my plane, Air Force One.

Nathan:

Air Force One.

Nathan:

Can't believe none

Bee:

of us picked Sabrina.

Nathan:

Yeah, I've seen that.

Nathan:

And Sam, you have your last pick.

Sam:

Ah,

Sam:

fleppergast.

Nathan:

The Devil's Own.

Sam:

I, completely, I can't believe I'm going to pick this movie.

Sam:

This I, this is I'm committing blasphemy.

Sam:

This movie is a guilty pleasure for me.

Sam:

Give you a hint.

Sam:

He co stars in this film.

Sam:

One of his co stars is David Schwimmer.

Sam:

I'm of course referring to six days, seven nights.

Sam:

I

Nathan:

didn't expect that.

Sam:

Yeah, neither did I.

Sam:

Yeah, I

Nathan:

did not expect that.

Nathan:

I haven't seen it.

Sam:

So it's ridiculous.

Sam:

I love it.

Sam:

It's like Diet Coke, Indiana Jones, basically.

Nathan:

Okay,

Nathan:

be your last pick.

Bee:

Oh, I got one more.

Bee:

I thought that was my last one.

Bee:

You have Blade

Nathan:

Runner, Last Crusade, Fugitive and Star Wars.

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Let me guess Force 10 from Navarone?

Bee:

Nailed it.

Bee:

Obviously it's Cowboys and Aliens.

Bee:

No, it's not.

Bee:

It's not.

Bee:

It's not.

Bee:

It's Not his biggest, but he's in American Graffiti, it's not a vehicle for him, but

Nathan:

it's not, and I thought about that because it's a really

Nathan:

great movie, but he's, it's not a

Bee:

Harrison Ford vehicle, I be tempted to do Working Girl or something,

Bee:

but I like American Graffiti better.

Bee:

You did

Sam:

pick The Fugitive, right?

Sam:

She has it.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

Okay, good.

Sam:

I'm just glad that movie has someone has to acknowledge that.

Sam:

Yeah, that's a great movie.

Sam:

Yeah.

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Yeah.

Sam:

That's like quintessential Harrison Ford on the run.

Sam:

God, it's great.

Nathan:

And that leaves my final pick.

Nathan:

And I'm looking like, do I have anything in the second, third or fourth tier?

Nathan:

And it's, man, it's like more Star Wars and Indiana Jones films.

Bee:

You can pick those though.

Sam:

I think you should pick the Rise of Skywalker because he's in it

Sam:

for 10 minutes or like 10 seconds.

Nathan:

Honestly, the movie that I have, okay, here it is.

Nathan:

This is actually a really good movie and I almost forgot all about it.

Nathan:

And it's the film that he met River Phoenix on to, To suggest that he become,

Nathan:

he be cast as the young version of him.

Nathan:

And that is the mosquito coast, really good film.

Bee:

I want to see that.

Bee:

I've never seen it, but I think I would like it.

Sam:

I think also a Peter Weir film, I think, right?

Sam:

It is.

Sam:

It is.

Sam:

Yeah.

Bee:

Yeah, I know.

Bee:

Cause I was going through Peter Weir stuff when we were doing our Mad Max.

Bee:

It's

Nathan:

low in my tears because I haven't seen it since probably 1988 or so.

Nathan:

But I remember.

Nathan:

I don't know if I was liking it back then, but I was 14 or so when I saw it.

Nathan:

So I don't, it might sit very differently with me then.

Nathan:

I'd like to watch it again, I think it's really good.

Bee:

I like Harrison Ford as an actor, but he is either in movies that I

Bee:

really or movies that I really are so not up my street at all, I don't know.

Bee:

I totally hear that.

Bee:

All my

Sam:

choices are essentially like Harrison Ford vehicles, like he's such a good

Sam:

movie star that like, you see the movies that are like Ford, center, whatever.

Nathan:

Honestly, there's his last one, two, three, four, five,

Nathan:

six, seven, eight, nine, 10, his last 13 movies I've only seen.

Nathan:

Over the last 13 movies, like Dial of Destiny, Blade Runner,

Nathan:

Force Awakens, and Crystal Skull.

Nathan:

If you go back before that, I stopped watching his movies

Nathan:

after K 19, The Widowmaker.

Nathan:

Everything after that, I've barely seen anything like Firewall,

Nathan:

Hollywood Homicide, Crossing Over.

Nathan:

Firewall, oh

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man.

Nathan:

Extraordinary measures, morning glory.

Nathan:

I never saw Cowboys and Aliens.

Nathan:

I never saw Ender's Game.

Nathan:

I never saw Call of the Wild.

Nathan:

So all of these are very fascinating.

Nathan:

How come Call of

Sam:

the Wild didn't get picked tonight?

Sam:

Yeah, I've seen those all.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

Some of them aren't so great.

Sam:

Ender's Game,

Bee:

I liked the book a lot.

Bee:

I wasn't thrilled with the movie.

Bee:

It was fine.

Bee:

Yeah, there was just There's some stuff that I'm just like, yeah, it's just.

Sam:

Ender's Game, the movie was like,

Bee:

that was good.

Bee:

Technically a movie.

Bee:

All

Nathan:

right, let's just recap our list here.

Nathan:

Sam, run down your movies.

Sam:

My movies are Six Days, Seven Nights, Witness, Clear and Present

Sam:

Danger, Patriot Games, and Air Force One.

Nathan:

Bea, run down your movies.

Bee:

No, I didn't write them down.

Bee:

I will run

Nathan:

down your movies.

Nathan:

You have Blade Runner, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, The Fugitive, Star Wars,

Nathan:

A New Hope, just to clarify, the first one, and American Graffiti, the first one.

Nathan:

I have great taste.

Nathan:

And my five movies were Raiders of the Lost Ark, Empire Strikes Back,

Nathan:

What Lies Beneath, Blade Runner 2049, and The Mosquito Coast.

Nathan:

Listeners at home.

Nathan:

Who won this draft?

Nathan:

Let us know.

Nathan:

Obviously it was me.

Nathan:

Obviously.

Nathan:

It's not even a contest.

Bee:

So sorry guys.

Bee:

And

Nathan:

our, so we're going to end this episode with our weekly highlight, where

Nathan:

we just talk about anything that we watched this week in the world of movies

Nathan:

or not, if anyone has anything they would like to mention, I have something, but

Nathan:

would anybody else like to go first?

Sam:

Go for it.

Sam:

You go first.

Sam:

I'm thinking, I'm sure I saw something.

Nathan:

You guys already mentioned last week that you saw Tim Burton's

Nathan:

Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, but I did finally catch up with it.

Nathan:

Oh, nice.

Nathan:

This past week.

Nathan:

I'd like to say it's the best thing that Tim Burton has done in

Nathan:

decades, but honestly, I've barely seen anything he's done in so long.

Nathan:

So I can only speculate that this is the best thing he's done in a long time.

Nathan:

I have watched Wednesday the Netflix show, which I do think is well done,

Nathan:

which of course he's behind that.

Nathan:

This film though, I liked it, didn't love it, definitely think the second

Nathan:

half is stronger than the first.

Nathan:

And maybe that's because it spends a lot of time.

Nathan:

Introducing a lot of characters up front, but I think it's to the film's

Nathan:

detriment way too many characters, way too many subplots and several, which

Nathan:

they could have just done away with.

Nathan:

And I think the film would have been stronger.

Nathan:

What I did like though, in the second half is that this, it does

Nathan:

just completely go bat shit crazy and really happy about that.

Nathan:

And I'm glad they didn't, still did not make Beetlejuice like.

Nathan:

The main character.

Nathan:

And I was worried that this is what a lot of legacy equals do.

Nathan:

Oh, the thing that everybody loves.

Nathan:

We're going to make that the thing.

Bee:

Yeah.

Nathan:

And, but I did read that if you do clock it, michael Keaton's Beetlejuice is

Nathan:

like in the first movie, like 20 minutes.

Nathan:

He's in this movie 40 minutes, which is significantly more, but it still

Nathan:

didn't feel like it was overused.

Nathan:

Keaton's still awesome in this movie.

Nathan:

I thought shined in this.

Nathan:

She was my second favorite part of this movie.

Nathan:

Me too.

Nathan:

I thought Jenna Torgo, Jenna Ortega was born to be in this franchise.

Nathan:

Winona Ryder, I don't know, I was really mixed on her in this film.

Nathan:

But anyways I did like the

Sam:

story element where the daughter, when the kid that she's interested

Sam:

in turns out to be like a dead,

Nathan:

I loved that.

Nathan:

I love that because when that, when they were first, let's not spoil it.

Nathan:

Let's not say a lot of people have not seen it

Sam:

Without giving away anything, I'll say when that character was first.

Sam:

Introduced, I thought, I was like, oh God, this is so cliche and boring.

Sam:

And I like that.

Sam:

There's more to it than that.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Nathan:

But yeah, I'm just, I am happy.

Nathan:

It's not terrible, but it was as good as I thought it was.

Nathan:

I not good best way.

Nathan:

I, it's about what I thought it was gonna be on the quality level.

Nathan:

It's serviceable fun.

Nathan:

It's fan service.

Bee:

Yeah.

Bee:

But I'm a fan and I was serviced.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Bee:

Like

Bee:

I.

Bee:

I think the movie suffers from too many plot lines.

Bee:

Like I think it's two movies that are clashing often.

Bee:

I thought it was

Nathan:

five movies that were, I

Sam:

hear that.

Sam:

I feel like it didn't

Bee:

bother me.

Bee:

I still loved it.

Bee:

I

Sam:

enjoyed it.

Sam:

I feel like the first film had the novelty of like their perception

Sam:

of what the afterlife is like, that it's like very bureaucratic.

Sam:

And like you see it for the first time in that film.

Sam:

So the concept is fresh where I feel like this movie Oscillates

Sam:

back and forth between the ghost world and the regular world.

Sam:

And it's busy.

Sam:

It has a lot going on,

Nathan:

but yeah, but

Sam:

I hear you.

Sam:

Yeah.

Nathan:

I'll leave it there.

Nathan:

Cause we're not doing like a full review on it, but I had a good time.

Nathan:

I had a good time and I thought it got stronger as the movie went on.

Nathan:

But anyways, that's, Beetlejuice.

Nathan:

Beetlejuice it's in theaters right now.

Bee:

I did not watch something new this week.

Bee:

I watched something very old from 1947.

Bee:

I watched Orson Welles, Lady from Shanghai, Three to Hayward.

Bee:

Oh, it's so good.

Bee:

You guys, it's so good.

Bee:

It's a little noir.

Bee:

It's a little, it's very fun.

Bee:

Very fun.

Bee:

Yeah.

Bee:

I don't want to give it away.

Bee:

Cause I hate to spoil a nearly a hundred year old movie, but please don't.

Nathan:

There are people are hanging on their seats, trying to, I don't want

Nathan:

to, I Anything Sam, that you did no,

Sam:

I saw last crusade, but it's a crazy week, but not much.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

I meant to continue watching rings of power season two.

Sam:

I didn't get to it.

Sam:

So definitely next, next week I've only seen the first two episodes.

Sam:

Yeah,

Nathan:

I did see the new Jeremy Saulnier movie rebel Ridge on Netflix.

Nathan:

I, I do like his films a lot.

Nathan:

I'm a huge fan of Green Room and Blue Ruin.

Nathan:

I like, I did like it.

Nathan:

I like go crazy over it.

Nathan:

There's a lot of love for this online right now, but I thought

Nathan:

this was a really good entry.

Nathan:

If you like First Blood, Sylvester Stallone film, this is like.

Nathan:

In that tone, although much less violent, but it's like a similar type of character

Nathan:

in a, in that kind of situation.

Nathan:

It's well done.

Nathan:

It's really well done.

Nathan:

Not if you look at like the Netflix cover art, you would think this

Nathan:

is just some generic action film.

Nathan:

It's.

Nathan:

It's more than that.

Nathan:

It's got Don Johnson.

Nathan:

It's got Don Johnson

Bee:

in

Nathan:

a great role.

Nathan:

I like him so much.

Nathan:

Jeremy Salonier is a really good director.

Nathan:

And his stuff is excellent.

Nathan:

That's awesome.

Nathan:

So I recommend it.

Nathan:

And yeah that's really what I've been doing this week.

Bee:

I'm going to start a Coen brothers rewatch and go through their filmography.

Bee:

I've seen most of it.

Bee:

There's a few key ones that I'm missing, but I think I might

Bee:

just start at the beginning.

Bee:

Do it again.

Bee:

I rewatched a true grit, their remake of true grit, which is one

Bee:

of my favorite Coen brother movies.

Bee:

It's

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a little beef.

Bee:

It's a perfect modern Western and it was so great to get lost in it.

Bee:

I just thought, I should just do all these again.

Sam:

I love that movie and Dana Carvey made the, did the funniest impression.

Sam:

Of, I can't name, I haven't heard brain is, it's, the guy

Sam:

from, The Jeff Bridges in Jeremy.

Sam:

He did an impression of him and he said that he sounds like he's

Sam:

digesting an enormous amount of food when he delivers any line in the way.

Sam:

Cause

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he's

Sam:

Digesting like steak, it's perfect.

Bee:

I love that movie.

Bee:

I think I saw it like four times in theaters.

Sam:

That's a great movie.

Nathan:

Okay.

Nathan:

I think that about wraps it up.

Nathan:

Next week, come back, we are gonna be wrapping up our quest for fortune

Nathan:

and glory with Indiana Jones.

Nathan:

In the kingdom of the crystal skull.

Nathan:

What

Sam:

folks, what'd you say, Sam?

Sam:

Saving the best for last.

Nathan:

Saving the best for last.

Nathan:

It'll be a, it'll be a fun discussion.

Sam:

It will.

Sam:

All right.

Sam:

That's the show.

Sam:

Be is like.

Sam:

Trying to decode that.

Sam:

She's I don't know what they mean.

Sam:

That's the fun of it.

Sam:

Yeah.

Sam:

No, I

Bee:

think you guys are being sarcastic, but I'm still on the, I

Bee:

don't know if there will be Nazis again.

Sam:

We'll see.

Sam:

Never know.

Nathan:

Never know.

Nathan:

Back to the frame rate.

Nathan:

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Nathan:

We also wish to thank Brian Ellsworth for our show opening on behalf of all of us.

Nathan:

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Nathan:

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Nathan:

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Nathan:

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Nathan:

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Back to the framerate, signing off.

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We're about to complete a great quest.

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The Holy Grail, Dr.

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Jones.

Nathan:

Wrong button.

Nathan:

How about this one?

Nathan:

I

Sam:

did it on purpose.

Nathan:

No.

Nathan:

There we go.

Nathan:

Podcast.

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