We discuss the 3rd entry this franchise, 'Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade', a film that we all universal agreed upon is a course correction from its predecessor. We have some fun on our Harrison Ford Movie Draft and share some of our latest movie watching.
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20:57 Nathan's review
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28:27 Sam's review
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In the dying embers of human existence, as the asteroid, a
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Nathan:I am Nathan Shore and accompanying me are the extraordinary movie mavens,
Nathan:Brianna Budworth and Sam Cole.
Nathan:Hello.
Sam:It's a pleasure to be here.
Sam:My, my heart is filled with mirth because I just got a new triple A
Sam:card in the mail, which will help my vehicle for a year to come, baby.
Sam:Anyway, off topic, but happy days.
Nathan:You are living the life there, Sam.
Nathan:Living
Sam:the life over here.
Nathan:Sam and Bea I was talking with someone who Who listens to our show,
Nathan:but didn't realize that what we do here is more than just, we rev, review
Nathan:films, they seem to just listen and then tap out after our main review.
Nathan:And so they're not listening to the whole thing.
Nathan:There are literally, thousands of podcasts out there where you can just
Nathan:listen to opinions about these movies, but it's always been our intention to
Nathan:not just give our thoughts on movies.
Nathan:that we feature each week, but to deliver an entertaining piece of content with
Nathan:some banter and film recommendations and other things that we do in our lives.
Nathan:AAA, Hey, plug the AAA, you can get a discount on hotels,
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Trailer:It's true.
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Nathan:Anyways, a few weeks ago, we did a fun game where we did our IMDB
Nathan:game, which was a lot of fun.
Nathan:So what I'm basically saying, stick around for the entire episode because it's chock
Nathan:full of surprises each and every week.
Nathan:So what I'm going to start doing.
Nathan:Is giving our listeners like a table of contents every week.
Nathan:I'm not going to do a long, elaborate intro like I'm doing right now every
Nathan:week, but so on today's episode, we're going to have a discussion of the film
Nathan:we're reviewing, make our important decisions on whether it deserves to
Nathan:be saved into the precious confines of a shelter or eliminated into the
Nathan:vast wasteland of the pocket fallout.
Nathan:Then something I think we on the podcast are going to have a lot
Nathan:of fun with our listeners at home.
Nathan:And they'll enjoy, and that's going to be a Harrison Ford movie draft.
Nathan:We did this last year, one time with a 1984 movie draft.
Nathan:I think we have a lot of fun doing this.
Nathan:We'd love to know the listeners at home, who you think got the
Nathan:best draft of the three of us.
Nathan:And then if time permits, we're going to try to do maybe a weekly highlight where
Nathan:each of us will share maybe something from the last week that we watched or viewed
Nathan:related to movies or not, it's always fun.
Nathan:Depends on what we're in the mood for, but that's what is going
Nathan:to be on the show this week.
Nathan:But before we get to that, I have a question for my co host.
Nathan:It's a pretty simple one.
Nathan:Required some math, but I don't think you're really going to go to math here.
Nathan:Oh boy.
Nathan:It's important.
Nathan:This has some big stakes.
Nathan:Are you ready?
Nathan:I'm
Sam:scared.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:How many?
Nathan:Reese's Pieces, could you fill the Holy Grail from this movie, this
Nathan:particular grail that was inside of the temple of the sun, of course it's
Nathan:intended purpose, and we all know that Jesus demanded no green M& Ms or
Nathan:the, some PA's head was going to roll.
Nathan:There's.
Nathan:There's actually no real answer to this.
Nathan:However, I did do a lot of research on this and it's estimate, and this
Nathan:is important information so you can make your best guess and the person
Nathan:who has the most accurate guess to this number is going to go first.
Nathan:First or last, I'm going to go first because only I would
Nathan:think of such a ridiculous game with so much lunacy involved.
Nathan:So I will go first in a review, but that's how we're going to determine the order.
Nathan:So whoever gets closest will go last and so forth.
Nathan:But anyways, this is the information you need to know.
Nathan:I, it's estimated on the internet.
Nathan:And by the way, I used six different.
Nathan:AI chat bots to figure out this information.
Bee:Okay.
Bee:Okay.
Nathan:There are eight ounces of liquid that can fill the
Nathan:Holy Grail from this movie.
Nathan:And the average size of a Reese's Pieces is 0.
Nathan:7 cubic centimeters.
Nathan:So knowing that information, how many do you guess will fill that Holy Grail?
Bee:Okay.
Bee:You're saying Reese's Pieces, not Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.
Bee:No, Reese's
Nathan:Pieces.
Bee:You mean like the little
Bee:B, there's a
Nathan:Steven Spielberg tie in here.
Sam:Reese's peanut butter cups would be like four of them.
Bee:Yeah, okay.
Bee:I'm just checking.
Bee:No,
Sam:I know, I'm just, yeah, I hear you.
Bee:Okay.
Sam:Fuck, I don't
Bee:know.
Bee:I don't know.
Bee:103.
Sam:I'm going to say,
Sam:so I'm seeing the cup and I'm seeing Douglas Holmes cinematography and
Sam:hearing Spielberg's voice, all right, I'm pushing for the dolly shot rah.
Sam:Um, um, I would say.
Sam:Well,
Nathan:you're both pretty far off the actual number that's estimated from
Nathan:six different AI chat bot things that I averaged out is 467 based on you're
Bee:trying to let the robots take my job.
Bee:This
Nathan:is how I spent my Sunday doing this.
Nathan:You're
Bee:making me hungry though.
Sam:I went again, my instinct was to go higher and there's a scene at the
Sam:beginning of Willow when Warwick Davis like doesn't trust his instinct and the
Sam:wizard is you should trust your instinct.
Sam:So I just can't wait
Bee:for the day that you and I get high together and watch Willow
Bee:because I know we're both fans, but it comes out at the weirdest time.
Sam:Oh God.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:I look forward to that as well.
Sam:Yeah, it's gonna be good.
Nathan:Oh because Sam, you were still the closest.
Nathan:You are going to go third Sam, Ah, Bea, you're second and I have to go first.
Nathan:That's my punishment.
Trailer:I'm third for the three quo.
Trailer:Er, back to the frame rate with a joke saw coming all day.
Bee:Oh my god.
Trailer:Okay.
Nathan:If you hadn't already guessed the film that we are
Nathan:reviewing this week is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade from 1989.
Nathan:Steven Spielberg, third film in the trilogy, third film in our quest for
Nathan:fortune and glory in this retrospective.
Nathan:Can't wait to talk about this with each of you.
Nathan:Be the first time you've seen this movie.
Nathan:First time you've seen any of these Films in the Indiana Jones franchise.
Nathan:If anybody's tuning in for the first time, but I let's start with a plot synopsis.
Nathan:Let's pull this up here.
Nathan:It is.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:And here it is.
Nathan:The intrepid explorer, Indiana Jones sets out to rescue his father, a medievalist
Nathan:who has vanished while searching for the Holy grail, following clues.
Nathan:In the old man's notebook, Indy arrives in Venice, where he enlists the help of a
Nathan:beautiful academic, but they are not the only ones on the trail, and some sinister
Nathan:old enemies soon come out of the woodwork.
Nathan:A trailer
Sam:somewhere.
Sam:Hold on.
Sam:I'll do the trail.
Sam:Dun.
Sam:Junior.
Sam:Dun.
Sam:Yes, sir.
Sam:It is you, Junior.
Sam:Dun.
Bumper:All right.
Sam:Here's the trail.
Sam:That's great.
Sam:We're about to
Bumper:complete a great quest.
Bumper:The Holy Grail.
Bumper:Dr.
Bumper:Jones, that's
Bumper:This
Trailer:is it.
Trailer:Look, the shield is the second marker.
Bumper:We found it.
Bumper:Indiana Jones is on the quest of a lifetime.
Bumper:But for some adventures, One Jones is not enough.
Bumper:Dad?
Bumper:Junior?
Bumper:Don't call me that, please.
Sam:Follow me!
Sam:I know the
Bumper:way!
Bumper:Race across three continents.
Bumper:And in this sort of race, There's no silver medal for finishing second.
Bumper:Hang on, Dad!
Trailer:Of the enemy, Nazis.
Trailer:I hate these guys.
Trailer:Ahhhhh!
Trailer:Our situation has not improved.
Trailer:In his search for the holy grail.
Bee:How dare you kiss me.
Bee:Are
Sam:you crazy?!
Sam:Don't go between them!
Sam:Go between them!
Sam:Are you
Nathan:crazy?!
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:That's a piece of the trailer from The Last Crusade.
Nathan:Sam, hand it over to you.
Nathan:Do you have some movie facts for us?
Sam:Indeed.
Sam:Going right to the tonality of this movie this film is Spielberg's
Sam:and Lucas's answer and rebuke to Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.
Sam:They go back to a lighter More open aired, much more akin to
Sam:Raiders feel with this movie.
Sam:This film is obviously directed by Spielberg, Steven Spielberg from a
Sam:screenplay by Jeffrey Boehm, who I believe wrote some lethal weapon films.
Sam:Two and three, two and three.
Sam:Interesting.
Sam:And he
Nathan:did some other, he did inner space, the lost boys and the dead zone.
Nathan:So he had a really good track record.
Nathan:Oh, the lost
Sam:boys.
Sam:Awesome.
Sam:I do the lethal weapon two better than three, but that's a side point, but
Sam:story by George Lucas and Menno Mayhays.
Sam:And this is based on characters by George Lucas and Philip Coffin produced
Sam:by Robert Watts which I was actually really happy about because he, I feel
Sam:like he was an associate producer.
Sam:On a previous installment.
Sam:And so I was it was, and I've watched behind the scenes all the time and
Sam:I just enjoy his general energy.
Sam:So I'm happy to see Robert Watts is like the producer of this movie.
Sam:It's just he's
Nathan:a fun interview always.
Nathan:Yeah, he's good.
Sam:He's ah, they wouldn't let us shoot that blur, starring Harrison
Sam:Ford, Denholm Elliott Alison Doody, John Rhys Davies Julian Glover as
Sam:the main villain, and of course, Sean Connery plays Harrison Ford's father.
Sam:Fun fact, Sean Connery was only 12 years older than Harrison Ford and so for him
Sam:to play his father Yeah, but Harrison
Bee:Ford is so hot.
Sam:They did a good job making their appear more of an age gap there.
Sam:Returning cinematographer Douglas Slacombe, who did the previous
Sam:to Indiana Jones, also the third one as well, of course, edited
Sam:by Spielberg's main collaborator, Michael Kahn music by John Williams.
Sam:And this was a big success.
Sam:The budget was 48 million.
Sam:474 million worldwide.
Sam:According to this, I, it says it's the biggest film worldwide of 1989.
Sam:I thought that was Batman, but I guess, I don't know if it's
Nathan:Batman came in number two.
Sam:Oh, really?
Sam:Wow.
Sam:That's amazing.
Sam:So yeah, including worldwide gross.
Sam:And I always thought it was Batman.
Sam:That's impressive.
Sam:So yeah, more lighthearted than the first this.
Sam:Had this they really went globetrotting this film.
Sam:They went to Italy all the desert scenes were shot in Spain Where
Sam:they did the scene with a tank?
Sam:They went to Petra in Jordan, which is the like the what's it called?
Sam:The Temple of the Sun is it?
Sam:That's
Nathan:what they call it in the movie and the movie.
Sam:Yeah I'm
Nathan:blanking what the actual called and it's in the, I'm
Nathan:blanking now, but I'm sorry.
Sam:And just random thing here but the two temple of doom writers, Willard
Sam:Huck and Gloria Katz, who collaborated with Lucas on American graffiti.
Sam:They chose not to return due to both having other commitments
Sam:and feeling satisfied with their work in the second film.
Nathan:Other commitment was Howard, the duck.
Sam:Oh my god, I did not know that.
Sam:Wow.
Sam:Wow, what a quack.
Sam:You gotta get your priorities straight, you know what I gotta say.
Sam:Which I feel the difference in the writing and I actually like Jeffrey
Sam:Boehm's script and just, I can feel the tonality difference to what I'm saying.
Sam:He, Spielberg this is actually, it was fascinating.
Sam:Due to Spielberg's commitment to this film, he had to drop out of
Sam:directing Big and Rain Man, both films, which he was interested in.
Sam:I'm, Rain Man by Barry Levinson, I really like.
Sam:I, it would have been a totally different, Steven Spielberg had directed that.
Sam:It might have been great, I can't even imagine, but the film that was not to be.
Sam:Interestingly enough, Lucas had initially wanted to do a Haunted House movie.
Sam:And Spielberg was not huge on the idea.
Sam:But they do incorporate that into the castle in the film which is on the border
Sam:of Germany and and Austria and Austria.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:And so they do have sort of sequences.
Sam:It's not literally a haunted house, but that's the closest to haunted.
Sam:They get Lucas was the one that was pushing the idea for the grail.
Sam:And Steven Spielberg was concerned about that it would come across
Sam:too close to Monty Python and the Holy Grail, and that it would be
Sam:associated with too much silliness.
Sam:It was Spielberg that pushed the idea that the search for the Grail
Sam:is the search for the Father.
Sam:Spielberg loves this movie because of the father son relationship
Sam:and the humor and the tone.
Sam:And he said before in interviews that it's his favorite Raiders film.
Sam:He refers to all the Indiana Jones movies as Raiders films,
Sam:because obviously the first one.
Sam:So he likes it a lot.
Sam:Temple of Doom is actually his least favorite.
Sam:And that's what I've got at the moment.
Sam:I'm sure I'm missing, I feel a little unprepared tonight.
Sam:I was cooking chicken and I burnt it, so otherwise I would have had,
Sam:what, 20 more minutes of prep.
Sam:No,
Nathan:that's very good facts you dropped on that, so thank you.
Nathan:Bea, were you going to say something?
Bee:Oh, he said, just Steven Spielberg, it was Temple of
Bee:Doom was his least favorite.
Bee:It was his
Sam:least favorite, yeah.
Nathan:I just, upfront, I just want to say that it's so wonderful that
Nathan:there's the continuity with these three movies with, director, producer,
Nathan:cinematographer, composer, editor.
Nathan:And of course, you can feel that you really do feel that,
Nathan:especially in this third movie Yeah.
Sam:Get my Asperger's out.
Sam:Fuck, fuck, shit.
Sam:No, just kidding.
Nathan:Yeah but as I was saying, yeah, you really, as Bea, you also
Nathan:mentioned, you feel the continuity of the cast and crew, both sides of this
Nathan:camera, you really feel it in this film.
Nathan:A few things I just wanted to mention here.
Nathan:You mentioned the budget of 48 million in 2024 dollars, that would
Nathan:be about 121 million if shot today.
Nathan:Wow.
Nathan:So yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:And the 474 million box office.
Nathan:This was released on May 24th, 1989, almost five years to
Nathan:the day after temple of doom.
Nathan:That was on May 23rd, if memory serves.
Nathan:So that I think it's also Memorial.
Nathan:These traditionally come out Memorial day weekend.
Nathan:Do anyone remember what?
Nathan:Raiders was, I don't remember offhand of that.
Sam:I feel like Raiders opened later in June was the one outlier.
Sam:I feel like it was
Bee:a summer movie.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:Firmly summer.
Nathan:I was also looking at the box office.
Nathan:I'll do this really quick.
Nathan:And people that, audience.
Nathan:Let us know if this box office rundown is dragging or not.
Nathan:But I love looking at this because I think it gives context.
Nathan:What was going on in the box office that weekend in Memorial Day is
Nathan:always a fascinating weekend for me.
Nathan:But Indiana Jones debuted at number one, 37 million, see no evil, hear no evil.
Nathan:And it was third week, 6.
Nathan:3 million.
Nathan:Anybody remember?
Nathan:That's a
Bee:fun movie.
Bee:Is that the Gene Crowley?
Bee:Yeah.
Nathan:Yes.
Bee:Yes.
Bee:It's a great one.
Nathan:Feel the dreams in a sixth week of release 5.
Nathan:6 million.
Nathan:I love feel the dreams.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Again, rest in peace, James Earl Jones, his role in roadhouse
Nathan:number two, what a great
Bee:week.
Bee:Yeah.
Nathan:Number five, a movie I saw in the theater probably a week
Nathan:after this was pink Cadillac Clint Eastwood movie was in this as well, 4.
Nathan:4 million.
Nathan:Number six was canine with 3.
Nathan:1 million.
Nathan:I think that's the James Belushi police dog movie.
Sam:That's right.
Sam:And Turner and Hooch with Tom Hanks came out later that summer.
Nathan:Yes, exactly.
Nathan:This made the box office top 10.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Yep.
Nathan:And in his fifth week of release in seven number seven in a
Nathan:sixth week of release, making 2.
Nathan:5 million was pet cemetery number eight in its eighth week of release.
Nathan:1.
Nathan:4 million was major league movie.
Nathan:I saw twice in the theater.
Nathan:I loved it so much because I love baseball movies, two baseball movies
Nathan:in the top 10 this week and dogs rain, man, that number nine this week.
Nathan:1.
Nathan:2 million in its 24th week of release and number 10, a movie.
Nathan:I don't remember at all.
Nathan:Scandal just made under a million dollars.
Nathan:I don't know.
Nathan:I'm sure
Sam:that
Nathan:is
Bee:what's crazy is that outside of.
Bee:The second baseball movie and scandal.
Bee:I have seen everything except the last crusade
Bee:until this week
Nathan:at the 62nd Academy Awards.
Nathan:This was nominated for best score, best sound mixing, but in one best
Nathan:sound editing, they liked the sound.
Sam:And by the way, totally random comment.
Sam:This is just me.
Sam:I'm like obsessed with the clock, but this last crusade is like,
Sam:Between seven and eight minutes longer than its two predecessors.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Raiders is hour 51, Temple of Doom is hour 53 and Without credits.
Sam:Last Crusade is two hours and one minute.
Sam:I go, I'm just, I'm obsessive with, I'm fascinated by time.
Sam:But so Raiders, if you really like Indiana Jones movies, there's more of
Sam:Last Crusade, about eight minutes more.
Sam:I
Bee:think you can feel it.
Sam:Yeah.
Nathan:So I think we get now to our thoughts on this film.
Nathan:I guess I'm going to take it away.
Bee:Nathan.
Bee:All
Nathan:right.
Nathan:I will take it away.
Nathan:Okay you know something?
Nathan:I'm gonna say something I thought would never come out of my mouth.
Bee:Is this your
Nathan:favorite?
Nathan:And it's not really a hot take, but typically for people of my
Nathan:generation, this may be blasphemy.
Nathan:I think Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Is the
Nathan:best film in this franchise.
Nathan:Yeah, I've heard that a lot from people.
Nathan:And after watching his first three movies my entire life, it
Nathan:doesn't mean that it's my favorite.
Nathan:It's teetering, but I think this is by far the most put
Nathan:together film in the franchise.
Nathan:Actually still, it might be my favorite, but I think it may, maybe that I'm
Nathan:looking at this with, shall we say, there's some personal baggage as well,
Nathan:as I watch these first day films.
Nathan:I think it's obvious we're going back to the Raiders of the Lost Ark
Nathan:of it all, and it has all the feels.
Nathan:Of great action and location set pieces that Raiders had.
Nathan:It's got that mystery.
Nathan:It's got great villains, but also crusade gives us, I think, a version
Nathan:of Indie we've never seen before.
Nathan:And it does this in a couple of ways, two ways, basically.
Nathan:And first, we got that great.
Nathan:Prologue.
Nathan:I think it's great.
Nathan:Some people don't like it.
Nathan:They find it fan service y, but I still think it's a wonderful opening.
Nathan:And it does this with an, but also does this with incredible father
Nathan:son storyline, which makes Indy more than just an action hero.
Nathan:It transforms him into a character with real emotions.
Nathan:In Paraders and in Temple of Doom, he is, I feel like he's strictly an action
Nathan:hero and he's Given so much more to feel in this movie, the father son storyline
Nathan:gives Indy emotional vulnerability, making him more than a archetypal action hero.
Nathan:It turns them into someone that we can all relate to someone dealing with
Nathan:unresolved family issues, longing for validation and ultimately finding peace.
Nathan:And in that relationship rather than the treasures that he's seeking and to keep,
Nathan:to keep the short I love all the course correction that Spielberg and his team are
Nathan:doing with this film after temple of doom.
Nathan:The comedy in this film is great.
Nathan:Connery and Ford's chemistry is amazing and surprising because on paper.
Nathan:This shouldn't work.
Nathan:Neither of Con neither Connery and Ford are known for their
Nathan:comedic chops and their timing, but somehow, It's amazing how
Sam:good they just, their dynamic, like, how the f I'm like, when
Sam:you see it, it's my god, these guys really are great actors.
Sam:They come off as
Nathan:Like a comedy team that could go on the road.
Nathan:They're that good.
Nathan:I, you would never think of these guys as non comedic actors.
Nathan:This is the funniest Harrison Ford movie ever by a long stretch.
Nathan:And this is not really a straight forward.
Nathan:Actually it is a comedy.
Nathan:It's an action comedy.
Nathan:It really is.
Nathan:But he's never been this funny.
Nathan:He's never had this great comedic time.
Nathan:The, comedic timing.
Nathan:I have a lot more to say about this, but also the, I'm happy they shifted away
Nathan:from slapstick humor and more toward site gags in general, funny banter.
Nathan:I think was the right choice.
Nathan:There are a few nitpicks I have in this movie, but.
Nathan:It's just a stellar entry in this franchise, in this movie, more than
Nathan:ever, I think from where I am in life, means the world to me, and I will talk
Nathan:more about why that is in a little bit.
Nathan:This is a five star movie.
Bee:I love it.
Bee:Yeah, we're so back.
Bee:Yes, I.
Bee:Loved this movie.
Bee:I thought I was just so happy watching it the whole time I was screening ear to ear.
Bee:I think you're right.
Bee:It is an adventure comedy, an action comedy.
Bee:I think this is a wonderful, delightful, and whimsical blend of camp, And
Bee:action that we don't get to see a lot and it nearly crosses the line
Bee:into being too much a few times and there's it perfectly reigns itself back
Bee:and I think it just toes that line.
Bee:The entire time we're back with amazing set pieces.
Bee:I loved that intro.
Bee:With the circus and the railroad cars, a bittersweet reveal for
Bee:me with it being river Phoenix.
Bee:I didn't know.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:I was like, Oh my God.
Bee:And, but over and over this movie sets up Indy, the idea of India, someone who
Bee:might not always be a good guy, but who's always doing it for the right reasons.
Bee:And we see that.
Bee:I think the prologue sets that up really beautifully.
Bee:It's a great sequence.
Bee:It's really fun.
Bee:It's action packed and also right away you see the score is going to
Bee:be for me the best of the three.
Bee:I had a wonderful time listening to the John Williams score.
Bee:It felt like we were moving again.
Bee:My big issue with Temple of Doom is you take this great action adventure
Bee:hero and you put him in a haunted house and it felt claustrophobic and it
Bee:felt like it dragged on for too long.
Bee:Great to be out in the wild again, sprawling and traveling and seeing Indy
Bee:challenged in element after element, not just tortured in a haunted house.
Bee:That was really fun.
Bee:And the casting is spot on.
Bee:Like you mentioned, Nathan, there's she talks in her sleep, might
Bee:be one of the best line reads.
Bee:I It was so much fun.
Bee:Sean Connery turns the everyman that Willie was in the last movie on its head.
Bee:He's not helpless.
Bee:He, in fact, is the helper.
Bee:And he gets Indy where he needs to be in the end.
Bee:I think Elsa's a great turncoat.
Bee:That is, I love that every time in this movie when there's a love
Bee:interest, we get a totally different dimension and type of woman.
Bee:That's just a treat for me.
Bee:We get to see John Rhys Davis again, that's incredible.
Bee:Sorry, I feel like I'm taking forever on this one.
Bee:I just, I love, I loved this movie and I like, The connection that Spielberg and
Bee:Lucas are drawing with the with the Holy Grail and that sort of search for purity
Bee:in intention that becomes, that later you can backfill to Temple and to Raiders.
Bee:For me, it's a four and a half.
Bee:I think Raiders hit the five star mark for me, but I thought this was wonderful.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:Thank you.
Nathan:Great.
Nathan:Sam.
Sam:I agree with everything you guys said.
Sam:I love the movie.
Sam:Few interesting things.
Sam:When they did a first cut of the film Spielberg felt, That there wasn't enough
Sam:action or he felt not, or what he said was he felt that we weren't giving them
Sam:as much action as the audience expected.
Sam:So that motorcycle chase right after they get out of the castle, that motorcycle
Sam:chase was done after the fact in Marin County, California, right near Lucas
Sam:Valley ranch, and it's excellent.
Sam:And it's perfect that chase happened there.
Sam:Cause I think what originally would have happened is that you just see that get gag
Sam:where the Nazis are going into the boat and they like zoom by in the motorcycle
Sam:and knock those two guys into the water.
Sam:I think that was the original cut.
Sam:And I'm so glad they added a chase there.
Sam:I love the movie a lot.
Sam:I, it is really.
Sam:If you go online and look at debates, if they're like ranking Indiana
Sam:Jones films, Last Crusade and Raiders are always neck and they're both so
Sam:good that it's really hard to say one is much better than the other.
Sam:If for me personally, I think just because Raiders was the first and it introduced
Sam:this type of like modern action adventure, Raiders to me has the slightest edge.
Sam:But I love Sean Conner in this movie.
Sam:I love the character like their relationship.
Sam:They seem not only is there, is it comedic, but they seem like.
Sam:A real father and son.
Sam:And I like how annoyed like Harrison gets at his dad and he's come on, dad, come on.
Sam:It's just so realistic.
Sam:And I appreciate that a lot more now.
Sam:This was the first Indiana Jones I saw in the theater.
Sam:It was like the last day of first grade.
Sam:I was like eight years old.
Sam:So I went to see it with my dad and like a matinee show.
Sam:Just amazing.
Sam:Obviously as an eight year old, I'm not going to get a joke about Get,
Sam:understand the joke of Andy and his father sleeping with the same woman.
Sam:That's something, figured out later on.
Sam:And but like the visuals, the genius of Spielberg is like, love that movie
Sam:as a little kid, and obviously I couldn't pick up on everything I picked
Sam:up on now, but I could pick up on the visuals and the movement of the story.
Sam:And it was just wildly entertaining.
Sam:There's so much
Nathan:momentum in this movie.
Sam:There's so much momentum.
Sam:They're moving.
Sam:I think I to me, I feel like this is more of a bit more of a chase film where like
Sam:Raiders, I like how Raiders spends a lot more of its time at the Tannis dig site.
Sam:Like I like that mid section.
Sam:This movie is more like, like globetrotting adventure.
Sam:I love it.
Sam:I would say if I was being nit pieces, I don't.
Sam:Some of the set pieces I like better than others.
Sam:For some reason it's clever and I like the thing with the boat propeller, but
Sam:the boat chase in Venice, I've always thought that's good, but it doesn't
Sam:for it for some, for other set pieces.
Sam:I put that, that more lower on the bar.
Sam:But what makes the movie and what elevates it and what this movie
Sam:needs is a an incredible set piece.
Sam:And I think the tank.
Sam:Rivals, the truck chase in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Sam:They're both about eight and a half minutes long.
Sam:All the stuff that happens on the tank, all the, that's amazing.
Sam:Them escaping the fireplace with the revolving door is amazing.
Sam:So when the set pieces are at their best, they're incredible in this film.
Sam:I think everything looks good.
Sam:Like the catacombs under Venice.
Sam:I just the, this movie has a very.
Sam:epic feel because they're like literally going after the holy grail and it's
Sam:like dangerous and far away in a canyon in the desert and i love the climax
Sam:when they're in that place and they have those three challenges i mean i
Sam:think the breath of god the word of god the path of god My favorite is when
Sam:Indy literally has to jump into that impossible chasm on a leap of faith.
Sam:And I was
Bee:on the edge of my seat.
Bee:That was so well done.
Bee:I was so tricked by
Sam:no, it was incredible.
Sam:And but the stakes are so high at the end of that movie.
Sam:It's like his, he is just rekindled with his father and
Sam:his father's life is on the line.
Sam:He has no choice.
Nathan:That's what's great about it.
Nathan:You've added the ticking clock element into this.
Nathan:It's not about Indy getting the holy grail.
Nathan:There's major stakes to this because of that, the urgency now, it's a
Nathan:brilliant, it's a brilliant move, major
Sam:stakes, incredible.
Sam:And this is a piece of set design.
Sam:I have always been obsessed with like cliffs and
Nathan:not just like world saving stakes, it's personal stakes, personal
Sam:stakes.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:It's like character driven stakes.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:I think.
Sam:I don't know why I'm obsessed with it, but that cliff that Indy has to
Sam:do the leap of faith on, the shot where he comes out and you're looking
Sam:down at the blackness of that cliff, that place was epically terrifying.
Sam:That temple and those challenges has the most supernatural,
Sam:spiritual, otherworldly depth.
Sam:dangerous feel to it in these, in just that places in my, I love the night.
Sam:I love the humor.
Sam:I liked the Sean Connery gets to meet the night because his academic
Sam:quest is fulfilled and he, they can't cross the seal, but he waves him.
Sam:The ending is just perfect.
Sam:It's epic.
Sam:I would give it four and a half.
Sam:I just, because Raiders has that edge, but like I can arguably see
Sam:this as a better movie than Raiders.
Sam:That's why it's a challenge for me because I just, for me,
Sam:it's just Raiders being first.
Sam:But to your point, Nathan, one thing I think Spielberg or the cinematographer
Sam:said in this film, because of its personal character driven nature,
Sam:there are a lot more closeups of Indiana Jones, like extreme closeups
Sam:on his face and his father face.
Sam:He's not in as many closeups in the first two films.
Sam:There'll be closeup shots, but it's more like wide or him talking to
Sam:people in last crusade is a very, is the most personal of the three.
Sam:And I can honestly see why Spielberg at that time wanted to end it there.
Sam:Cause it's like the perfect trilogy ender.
Sam:It's just perfect.
Sam:It is, it
Bee:sticks the landing more than the other two.
Sam:It really, they literally ride off into the sunset in the last shot.
Sam:How perfect is that?
Sam:They're riding into the sunset.
Sam:That's the shot.
Sam:They actually ride toward it.
Sam:It's And it also gets
Bee:your comeuppance, which I really liked.
Sam:Exactly.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:I love the ground splitting apart there with all the I remember being a little
Sam:depressed after I saw the movie when I was a kid because I was so blown
Sam:away by Indiana Jones's adventures.
Sam:I was like, Dad, I want to go on adventures.
Sam:Like, how do I get to do that?
Sam:And he was like it's a movie, but yeah.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:There's a point I, I was thinking about as I'm watching this, that it
Nathan:stuck to my ribs as I, I couldn't shake there is a divine force that
Nathan:seems to be watching over Indy.
Nathan:And I love that the film is acknowledging that in this moment.
Nathan:In, in, in this version, in, in this film here because Indie this film is in, on
Nathan:the joke through the first two movies.
Nathan:No matter what shenanigans befall him, he's going to be okay.
Nathan:And it's not just that this movie's acknowledging that there's a
Nathan:mystical presence or maybe it's a guardian angel that is with him.
Nathan:And it's going to throw back his hat at the end of the scene as well.
Nathan:And this movie is in, is finally in on the joke.
Nathan:It knows who the audience is and what it is.
Nathan:And it's for the first time, I feel like it's really comfortable
Nathan:in its shoes and it knows how to.
Nathan:Write the perfect movie that is addressing that because I, and I
Nathan:love how it's embracing kind of the ridiculousness in a lot of ways that
Nathan:this guy's gonna be okay no matter what.
Nathan:He's not gonna fall off a cliff and the hat's gonna blow right into his hand.
Nathan:He's gonna fall, jump into the water, and his hat's gonna float right over to him.
Nathan:And we, I love when this
Sam:hat just blows back in the ciid
Nathan:and we think nothing of it because that's just.
Nathan:He is just always going to have that kind of luck or a guardian angel
Nathan:or something or God or whatever.
Bee:He's a very like faith based filmmaker.
Bee:And I think he does a great job in this blending the ridiculousness.
Bee:That is faith sometimes,
Sam:but, and you talk about the humor or like his faith or Indiana Jones always
Sam:had, like having divine interception.
Sam:I love it when he like survives the tank thing and his father's happy to see him.
Sam:But Denholm Elliott is like standing in the background didn't
Sam:he just fall off the cliff?
Sam:He's he can't, he's like, how did that he, they're
Sam:acknowledging how ridiculous it is.
Nathan:I will say I wasn't.
Nathan:necessarily thrilled with what they did with the Denholm Elliot character in this.
Sam:I feel like they turned him into a total doofus, he's
Sam:not a doofus in the first one.
Sam:Yeah, he's
Nathan:not.
Nathan:And I think the movie needed that kind of comic relief, but he really
Nathan:is a bumbling buffoon in this movie.
Sam:And the moment that gets a huge laugh I will, cause I saw it, my,
Sam:it's not even a complaint, but I saw this movie way too many times.
Sam:I love it, but I almost know it too well, but I, in the theater, what
Sam:always got laughs is when it's the cameras pushing in on Indiana Jones.
Sam:He's Brody, you'll never find him.
Sam:He'll blend in, disappear with any luck.
Sam:He's got the grail already.
Sam:And then it just cuts to Marcus Brody.
Sam:He's Oh, does anyone interpret it?
Sam:I speak ancient Greece.
Nathan:I have to say it is my, one of my favorite quotes from this movie.
Nathan:I did capture that audio and I want to play it because this just speaks
Nathan:to the quality of the writing and the comedy in this, which is so much
Nathan:better than the Temple of Dubai.
Nathan:Oh, let me play it here.
Trailer:He's given them to Marcus Brody.
Sam:Marks.
Sam:He didn't drag poor Marcus along, did you?
Sam:He's not up to the challenge.
Sam:He sticks out
Trailer:like a sore thumb.
Trailer:We'll find him.
Trailer:That hell you will.
Trailer:He's got a two day head start on you, which is more than he needs.
Trailer:Brody's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan.
Trailer:He speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom.
Trailer:He'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again.
Trailer:With any luck, he's got the grill already.
Bee:Does anyone See, I thought that was Indy bluffing, I thought he yeah.
Bee:He's
Nathan:totally
Bee:bluffing.
Bee:He knows, he's just trying to throw the
Sam:Nazis off.
Sam:You know what's interesting too, I feel like It's a bit
Nathan:later, it's a bit later where he's talking to his dad like, yeah,
Nathan:he'd get lost in his own museum.
Nathan:He tells his dad that, yeah.
Nathan:What's
Sam:interesting with this movie Like Raiders, Spielberg himself actually
Sam:seems more interested in the story as a director, so when there's like expository
Sam:dialogue, when they're explaining things, there's like, when he's with Donovan at
Sam:that like cocktail party, they talk about the plot and they talk about how to find
Sam:the grail and it's very focused on it.
Sam:In Temple of Doom, Every time there's plot forwarding moments Spielberg was
Sam:always undercutting it with Oh, here's some gross out comedy or here's someone
Nathan:God.
Nathan:Yes.
Sam:And Raiders and crusade.
Sam:They actually they focus on the They let the story, they don't, when it
Sam:comes to expository dialogue, they don't, the movie doesn't like try
Sam:to make you not pay attention to it.
Sam:It just focuses on it.
Sam:And it in and of itself is interesting.
Nathan:I'm so glad you brought this up, Sam, because this is something I
Nathan:wanted to mention the last two movies, and I kept forgetting to do so because
Nathan:in Raiders of the Lost Ark, there's a very important expository dialogue
Nathan:that happens where they're talking about where the Nazis are digging.
Nathan:And it's something that I.
Nathan:Always never really paid attention to because at the same time it's
Nathan:when Indy has the poison date and all you're doing is watching.
Nathan:Is he going to eat the date?
Nathan:Is he going to eat the date?
Nathan:But him and Sal are talking about where they're digging.
Nathan:The Nazis are digging in the wrong place in the back of the
Bee:coin.
Nathan:Exactly.
Nathan:And I have, I had to watch it probably like 15 times to start paying
Nathan:attention to that bit of dialogue.
Nathan:The other thing in temple of doom There's this whole conversation about
Nathan:the thuggy cult happening at the dinner that I'm not paying attention to because
Nathan:I'm watching all the gross out food that's happening, but there's a lot of
Nathan:information going on at that scene that no one's paying attention to in this movie.
Nathan:One of my biggest complaints was that they're dumping all this expository
Nathan:dialogue, and no one's paying attention to it because don't listen to this.
Nathan:Look at this.
Sam:I think Spielberg himself said too, that like he, he often
Sam:he'll do a lot of meticulous storyboarding on action sequences.
Sam:He did a lot less storyboarding with Temple of Doom.
Sam:He said that he was under uncomfortable with the darker nature
Sam:of the story, and he didn't quite tonally feel comfortable with it.
Sam:So he said that he went out of his way.
Sam:To interject as much humor as he could to lighten up the movie.
Sam:And you can see those tones at odds with each other in that film.
Sam:Whereas this film, the wit and the action, it's like, it feels just like
Sam:everyone's on the same page this go round just, and I thought I was, I forgot.
Bee:I think that speaks to the comfort.
Bee:That you mentioned earlier, Nathan, there's just this, we've lived in
Bee:this character's skin, everyone who's worked on this movie has followed
Bee:along and grown with the character and thought about the character and
Bee:they're growing in the same direction.
Bee:And there's a confidence And storytelling that comes from that, I think that
Sam:like tank chase, it means a lot because it's just that this movie has
Sam:that desert, like a B you talked about in the first film, how everyone's
Sam:like really dirty and grimy and dusty.
Sam:Like
Bee:the 80s were the sweatiest time to make
Sam:this film goes back to that, like the dirt and the light.
Sam:Desert and like vehicles kicking up dust and horses.
Sam:It's got that it's back to that.
Sam:That third act really helps make the movie for me because to the grandeur of it.
Sam:I love everything else, but I love how big the ending gets.
Sam:It's just their quest.
Sam:It's huge.
Sam:Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Man, what else?
Nathan:I actually have some thoughts on the ending and you might not.
Nathan:Like all my comments on it, but I don't want to jump there yet.
Nathan:Cause there's a few things I think is also important to mention that,
Nathan:the course correction with the lesser emphasis on blood and gore is a big thing.
Nathan:It's funny that temple doom is rated PG.
Nathan:This was PG 13 and there is not.
Nathan:Barely a trace of blood in this movie.
Nathan:I think the only blood we see might be on River Phoenix's chin
Nathan:in the beginning of this movie.
Sam:It might just be the anxiety that like all the decapitated
Sam:heads in this movie might bring.
Sam:That could be it.
Sam:Like a
Nathan:lot of people, perhaps.
Nathan:But.
Nathan:I, so there's that.
Nathan:What else?
Sam:I will say one nitpicky thing, and this is just I totally love
Sam:this movie, but I wanted to, Nathan, you know how you'll sometimes talk
Sam:about okay, so I've never noticed this ever watching it before, but
Sam:when they're tied up to the chair.
Sam:In the castle.
Sam:Yep.
Sam:And he's let's me kill them now.
Sam:And then Elsa's no, they might be useful.
Sam:They all leave the room.
Sam:There's no guard.
Sam:Like they just left them there.
Sam:What's that was a little bit like, that's a little convenient.
Sam:There's little
Bee:plot holes like that.
Bee:Like in the.
Bee:Airport or like off the blimp or whatever, when they punch the guy.
Bee:And then it's that's never really followed up on.
Bee:There's some stuff like that.
Bee:That just doesn't come all the way full circle.
Bee:It doesn't distract me, but I noticed it.
Bee:This was the first time I,
Nathan:go ahead, Sam.
Sam:Oh, no, I was gonna say, I know it's meant as like comedy, but with the
Sam:first time when he like bumps into Adolf Hitler in the theater, I was terrified
Sam:because I was like, Oh my God, he's going to like, take, he's going to find out
Sam:who it is that he signs his autograph.
Sam:And you're like, Oh, like that, that, that scene is tense.
Sam:But it was funny
Nathan:going back to the blimp for a moment.
Nathan:This was the first time I noticed, and this was like probably looped in
Nathan:dialogue in post that Indy destroyed the radio on the Zeppelin afterwards.
Nathan:I never heard picked up in that.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:I noticed that too.
Nathan:Yes.
Nathan:And because I always was wondering how stupid, like this
Nathan:doesn't make any sense at all.
Nathan:If he's throwing general Vogel.
Nathan:Out of the Zeppelin, why is the Zeppelin still taking off?
Nathan:Like, why aren't they like calling the come back?
Nathan:Like, why is it taking them like a half hour to figure this out?
Nathan:And I never picked up on that, that looped in dialogue when they're going through
Nathan:the belly of the Zeppelin afterwards until until this past week, like 30.
Nathan:I know
Sam:It's amazing.
Sam:Like I've noticed little bits of dialogue that like the first time watching
Sam:temple recently, I actually did not focus on all the gross out stuff and I
Sam:listened to the expository dialogue and they explained a lot about the thuggy.
Sam:I was like, man, I'd never knew that before.
Sam:This is only my 40th time watching this movie, but I hear that.
Sam:I, and, but there's little things like that.
Sam:I love it when Sean Connery shoots the tail of the plane, but when it
Sam:shows the wide shot of the plane.
Sam:Yes.
Sam:The tail's fine.
Sam:Like it's,
Nathan:by the way, there are like four major action set pieces in this film.
Nathan:There's like the boat chase, there's the motorcycle chase.
Nathan:There's the plane dog fight in the tank chase.
Nathan:The plane dog fight.
Nathan:It's really cool.
Nathan:And I love the banter between him and his dad, but.
Nathan:It looks awful.
Nathan:Like those hats, they couldn't bother to have like even the
Nathan:tiniest little fan blowing them to show that there is some wind.
Nathan:I
Bee:was just watching this so happy because I was like, man,
Bee:these guys fucking love planes
Nathan:like
Bee:their
Nathan:hats off or something, because it just, it shows that
Nathan:they are clearly not fine.
Nathan:And the funny thing is.
Nathan:Steven Spielberg did another movie involving planes that same year, and that,
Nathan:those flying sequences look a lot better.
Sam:Yeah, they're, yeah, no, exactly, that was Christmas 89, that's incredible
Sam:that's Ellie's favorite movie, sorry, sorry Ellie, I couldn't resist but yeah
Sam:but even in 1989, That plane chase was very entertaining, but even as a kid,
Sam:it looked, I could feel like I couldn't articulate it back then, but it looked a
Sam:little wonky, but I like, I do love the, yeah, I love it when like the Nazi flies
Sam:into the, under the bridge and like clips his wings and just slides past them on
Sam:like under the top of those hilarious.
Sam:That was
Nathan:amazing.
Nathan:I know you mentioned the tank chase, but like you said, I love
Nathan:that you said that tank chase is on par with the chase in Raiders.
Nathan:I think I agree.
Nathan:And Harrison Ford riding a horse, chasing down.
Nathan:I think, my God is Is there a better, is there a more natural combination
Nathan:of two mammals on screen with,
Bee:I can't think of, I can't think of it.
Bee:You are forgetting about one great set piece though, Nathan.
Bee:And it's the first one it's with River Phoenix.
Nathan:It is great.
Nathan:It is great.
Nathan:That's amazing.
Nathan:I
Bee:love you get so much good backstory not to drag us all the way
Bee:back to the beginning, but there's so much good stuff that happens.
Bee:Yeah, I'm taking us along.
Bee:Learning that Indy gets the scar on his chin from fighting a lion.
Bee:That's pretty cool.
Bee:Perfect.
Bee:And I just the whole circus car chase I thought was great.
Bee:And then getting to see his dad and how that sets all that up was perfect.
Sam:Yep.
Sam:I also love the opening shot of the mountain, like the
Sam:Paramount logo on the mountain.
Sam:The movie starts like I just love the variety of Indiana Jones movies opening.
Sam:Cause it depends on what mood you're in.
Sam:If you want like a big splashy nightclub scene, go see Temple.
Sam:If you want this epic desert, beautiful shots in Utah and there's always,
Sam:there's like singing at the beginning.
Sam:I don't know if it's, if that's like the Boy Scouts or like Native
Sam:Americans in the background.
Sam:I never knew what that was.
Sam:Cindy
Bee:was a Boy Scout.
Sam:No, but there's there's audio at the beginning and there's
Sam:like singing and drums that you can hear behind the mountain.
Sam:And I've always loved that.
Sam:I never know what that was supposed to be, but it sounded cool.
Sam:I can't wait
Bee:to rewatch these movies because you, sometimes you both say stuff
Bee:about them and I'm like, there's so much I'm sure I'm not picking up on.
Nathan:I want to talk a couple of things about the end because I do have
Nathan:a couple of nitpicks with the end.
Nathan:I love this movie through and throughout, but there's a couple
Nathan:of silly things at the end here.
Nathan:Donovan and Elsa enter this chamber.
Nathan:First of all, they're ignoring this 700 year old man dressed like a knight,
Nathan:just, chilling there and maybe talk to that guy for a minute or two.
Nathan:I don't know.
Nathan:He might have something.
Nathan:They're Nazis, Nathan.
Nathan:They're bad people.
Nathan:I know, but it's, it makes, paints them as just not very.
Nathan:Interesting villains, they're not, and here's what silly is that Donovan
Nathan:goes through the effort of sending in his minions into these trials
Nathan:one at a time to you do this so that I don't die, but he so cavalierly
Nathan:drinks from the grail, and Wait, so
Sam:you mean when they enter the grail room as villains, they just seem like dumb
Sam:or cartoonish or I didn't quite understand
Nathan:what I'm saying, what I'm trying to say is maybe I didn't explain it
Nathan:properly because I do that a lot of times, but Donovan is sending in all his minions
Nathan:and Nazi soldiers in one at a time into the trial, like the first one, the breath
Nathan:of God, and they're beheading them one at a time and that's smart, don't do it
Nathan:himself, he's sending in other people.
Nathan:To do it, which is also weird.
Nathan:It's not about the penitent man must kneel.
Nathan:The penitent man must kneel and roll, which is, I don't know if that's
Nathan:supposed to be, but anyways, so he, but once Indy goes through, apparently
Nathan:that trial has been triggered.
Nathan:You don't have to ever do it again.
Nathan:He's able to do somehow.
Nathan:He also knows he can do the word of God.
Nathan:I guess he heard Indy.
Nathan:His dad tell him how to do that part about, Jehovah, he, even though Indy
Nathan:did the bridge, he was able to do that.
Nathan:I know he put some pebbles and stuff over it, but he didn't, he only did
Nathan:like the first five or seven feet of it.
Nathan:And that's like a 30 foot bridge.
Nathan:And he was, he would still do that.
Nathan:But even after he gets to the Knights chamber, he gets in there and.
Nathan:He is so cavalier about, I can't decide and else's Oh, I'll choose for him.
Nathan:Maybe not.
Nathan:Maybe I'll have one of these other guys do it.
Sam:In that moment.
Sam:Yeah,
Nathan:exactly.
Nathan:And I'm like, it's just turned him into such a stupid character.
Nathan:I get it.
Nathan:I get it.
Nathan:It's great for the film.
Nathan:But when I thought about it, I was like, you know what?
Nathan:It's just, it just doesn't work.
Nathan:They needed it for the story, but it's a, I always thought I always
Sam:had this like alternate hilarious ending in my head where the night is
Sam:so glad that someone's there that like the night runs away and Indiana Jones
Sam:is forced to be the new guardian.
Sam:So he's just stuck in that room for the rest of his life.
Sam:And like the movie ends with a taciturn Harrison Ford, like
Sam:sitting on the night's chair.
Sam:And he's just shit, and then the camera pulls back and that's it.
Sam:I
Nathan:just feel bad.
Nathan:They fucked up that night's house, like I know
Sam:she's still stuck there alive, technically forever.
Sam:And like his place.
Sam:I was like, do
Bee:we think it reset?
Bee:He doesn't
Nathan:have the grail anymore, does he?
Nathan:The grail fell into the pit.
Nathan:It's just that it's still there.
Nathan:It's on that ledge.
Bee:It fell underneath.
Bee:It's just,
Nathan:so the knight can just swoop down and go get it, put it back, you think?
Bee:It's I don't know, it's still on the foundation, that would be such an
Sam:inappropriate mood killer if, after the end credits, it cuts back to the grail
Sam:on the ledge and you see the knight reach for it, but he just falls in and he's
Nathan:Does the knight, does the knight die?
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:I
Sam:feel like the grail force field is still protecting that area.
Sam:So I think he's just stuck there and he's got all the time in the world.
Sam:So he can slowly chisel away at that pillar.
Sam:That's like blocking the exit.
Sam:He's got some, he's got some maintenance jobs to do in there.
Nathan:The last thing I just want to say, I think these, we talked about.
Nathan:The scene where Elsa is hanging from Indy's hand and soon falls and Indy takes
Nathan:her place and his dad is holding him for me is the most important scene in this
Nathan:entire
Nathan:film because throughout we've been told that Henry only cares about
Nathan:the grail and his son is secondary.
Nathan:That's what the essence of what we've been led, what's going on here.
Nathan:And Indy desperately wants to have his dad's approval and affection.
Nathan:And he has that opportunity to grab the grail and his father
Nathan:calls out, Indiana, let it go.
Nathan:And in that instant, Henry is both acknowledging that It's not worth it, but
Nathan:you are, and basically you're not defined by your treasures, but by being my son.
Nathan:And in that instant, like all their shit is resolved and it's
Nathan:such a great bit of writing.
Nathan:It's a great moment.
Sam:And it's the first time he calls him Indiana in the whole movie.
Sam:He's always called him junior.
Sam:So it's it's, I have literally just said the same thing.
Sam:Spielberg loves the scene.
Sam:And I think he.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Loves the movie because that moment like just
Bee:it's this is a great double feature with the Fableman's
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Sam:Interesting.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:I love
Nathan:it.
Nathan:He's working out a lot of stuff.
Nathan:A lot of issues.
Nathan:Daddy issues.
Nathan:For sure.
Bee:A lot of his movies have big child of divorce energy,
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:You know what?
Nathan:There is, there's another clip that I want to play here.
Nathan:Then we could probably take a break here.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:I know we're going backwards from the climax of this movie
Nathan:here, but there's such a, there's a lot of subtle moments here.
Nathan:I love all the quiet dialogue that Indy and his dad have, and there's the great
Nathan:scene on the Zeppelin, but there's the scene also where after the tank falls down
Nathan:and Henry thinks he lost his son and he has that scene where I think I thought
Nathan:I lost him and all that and he sees that He lived we already talked about this a
Nathan:little bit You But for a few seconds, he becomes his father and he hugs him and.
Nathan:It's one of the, it's such a great moment where Indiana Jones, he smiles
Nathan:and he's being embraced by his dad.
Nathan:And honestly, it's the first time I watch this movie where I actually started to
Nathan:cry because I know that feeling, to seek that affection from someone and then.
Nathan:Five seconds later, it's like back to work, and it's almost I didn't mean to
Nathan:get that sentimental, so it's such, it was a home hitting moment in a lot of
Nathan:ways for me, but yeah but that was the essence of this whole movie and then
Nathan:it culminates in that ending, but yeah.
Bee:It's a perfect ending.
Bee:It's, like I said, the ending out of the three that sticks
Bee:the landing for me the most.
Bee:Especially, I really didn't like the ending of Temple, and I
Bee:think this is so much stronger.
Bee:It does a couple things.
Bee:What you're talking about with the father and son relationship,
Bee:Nathan, I think is spot on.
Bee:It's so validating, not just that they find each other and have affection for
Bee:each other despite their differences, but how they're two pieces of a puzzle, and
Bee:their work complements each other so well.
Bee:That they are that they work together.
Bee:And that they're this great combination and that together
Bee:they can solve these problems.
Bee:And I like that the diary is the sort of prop throughout the film
Bee:that tells the story of distance and then bring each other closer.
Bee:And then it's just a tool that's used, pages are ripped out, but that bond is
Bee:still the same and that togetherness.
Bee:And you get such great storytelling at the end because you see Elsa fall and
Bee:you see her It comes back to intention again, and yes, it's the moment of
Bee:Sean Connery Henry saying, Indiana.
Bee:It's I choose you.
Bee:You're my priority over this, but it's also the character development for Indy.
Bee:It's what we get to see him grow as to and saying, I'm going to put family first
Bee:and the intention behind this first.
Sam:Also, one quick thing that I was just thinking that I really like, but
Sam:the story structure is even though the MacGuffin is the grail, I like cleverly
Sam:doing the script where it's like the diary, but Brody has the map, but they
Sam:go back to Berlin just to get the diary.
Sam:It's not quite straightforward.
Sam:And I like the twists and turns are entertaining there.
Bee:Some great accoutrements.
Nathan:Great accessories.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:This movie is just so smart, lean, and we're gonna wrap this up.
Nathan:I, one of the things I think just makes this.
Nathan:Just wonderful filmmaking being the third film in this franchise is that The things
Nathan:that were, Already familiar, so familiar with the Indy character in the universe.
Nathan:We, we don't have to keep seeing over and over.
Nathan:Like for instance, what I'm trying to say is like when they get to Berlin
Nathan:and Indy overtakes a guard to get his uniform, we actually only see a quick
Nathan:moment of some feet being dragged.
Nathan:It, Indy steps out dressed as a Nazi soldier
Sam:and the camera passes by their motorcycle.
Sam:And it's just Oh, they're here.
Sam:And they punched a guy out.
Sam:Got it.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Okay.
Nathan:We can fill in the gaps we've already seen so many times
Nathan:having watched him sneak up on enemies and do this sort of thing.
Nathan:It saves us from having to watch it again.
Nathan:That's keeping this, the momentum moving forward.
Nathan:We can picture it in our mind's eye, how that exchange went down.
Nathan:Spielberg was smart enough to trust the audience did not have
Nathan:to show us another instance of.
Nathan:Indy sneaking up on somebody and punching him and taking him out.
Nathan:We didn't need another fight sequence.
Nathan:We got what we needed to in those little moments.
Nathan:So it is it's really well done.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:I don't have anything else.
Nathan:I don't know about you guys.
Bee:It was great.
Bee:It's a good movie.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:Let's take a quick break.
Nathan:So thanks everyone for joining us.
Nathan:We appreciate you to the Maximus.
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Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:So we're going to come back and get to our decisions on whether
Nathan:Indiana Jones and the last crusade is going to be saved in a vault.
Nathan:For future generations are purged into the fiery apocalypse.
Nathan:Seems like there might not be a lot of suspense here, but I will go first.
Nathan:Cause I went first on my review.
Nathan:I, like I said before, if I think this is a better movie than Raiders
Nathan:of the Lost Ark, and I said that was a perfect film, then absolutely.
Nathan:This movie has to be saved.
Nathan:If these were the only two Indiana Jones movies ever made, then they would be.
Nathan:That's all I would ever need.
Nathan:Yes, this movie must be saved in our vault, a hundred percent.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:I totally agree.
Bee:I, I was a little on the fence earlier because Raiders is just such a perfect all
Bee:encapsulating film, but this movie just touches on so much character development
Bee:that I do think if you're going to have multiple Indiana Jones movies in
Bee:the vault, these are the two to have.
Bee:The differences are important enough.
Bee:So it's a yes for me.
Nathan:But B, you haven't seen Crystal Skull yet, so we don't know.
Bee:Sure.
Bee:Maybe we can have three.
Bee:I don't know.
Bee:My mind's open.
Bee:I know literally nothing about it.
Bee:Are there still Nazis?
Bee:I don't know.
Sam:We shall find out.
Bee:Okay.
Bee:I was surprised to see them back.
Bee:I was like, ooh.
Sam:Though I truly love this movie, I don't, I would not include it in the
Sam:vault just because, no I'm kidding, I would put it in the vault, yeah.
Bee:I totally believed you, Sam.
Bee:Me too.
Bee:Yeah, I was like, alright.
Nathan:You should trade a fuck with us.
Sam:Yeah, pretty much.
Sam:But I can't say, yeah, like I agree.
Sam:It's if I, it's almost as good as Raiders, it's of course, like I
Sam:can't, I also, when it comes to, if we did the Star Trek franchise, I'd
Sam:be doomed because I'm a completionist.
Sam:So even the shitty ones, like I need to have all of them
Sam:on a shelf so I can have the.
Sam:To choose.
Sam:If one movie's missing, as terrible as it is, that's the one I'm going to
Sam:want to watch because it's not there.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:That was, I think, that was a really good discussion of this film.
Nathan:Thanks.
Nathan:That was Thanks guys.
Nathan:All right.
Bee:I'm so glad.
Bee:Something that will never happen.
Sam:Oh, no, what were you going to say?
Bee:I was just going to say, I'm so glad to be watching these finally.
Bee:And.
Bee:Thanks, guys, for going along and doing a rewatch for me, because
Bee:I really wanted to see these.
Bee:It
Nathan:only gets better from here.
Sam:It's true, and one thing that will probably never happen on the show, but
Sam:if you want to talk bad threequels, if we did threequels from 1983, we could do
Sam:Jaws 3D and Smokey and the Bandit Part 3.
Sam:Awful movies.
Sam:That'll never happen, but listeners stay tuned for when
Bee:we're
Bee:all together to watch Jaws next year.
Nathan:Let's get this in the room.
Nathan:I almost forgot to do this.
Nathan:Here we go.
Bumper:All right.
Sam:Junior.
Bumper:All
Nathan:right.
Nathan:It is time to get to our Harrison Ford movie draft and check out
Nathan:my snazzy new movie draft bumper.
Bumper:Truth wise, you take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland and I
Bumper:show you how to beat the radicals.
Bumper:I reprogrammed the simulation so it was possible to rescue the ship.
Bumper:What?
Bumper:You cheated.
Bumper:I don't like to lose.
Bumper:Come on.
Sam:Yes.
Sam:I I am all about Captain Kirk from Star Trek 2, The Wrath of Khan.
Sam:And that audio quote, incredible.
Nathan:I had
Sam:some fun.
Sam:One thing that's missing is you should have had, he chose P P P P Pauly.
Nathan:Maybe I'll do a remix of it.
Nathan:Need some help.
Nathan:Anybody want to do some audio editing out there?
Nathan:Email us.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:I'm a busy guy.
Nathan:I'm a busy guy.
Sam:That was actually really well done.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Okay.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:So rules of our Harrison Ford movie draft.
Nathan:We're in the middle of our Indiana Jones retrospective.
Nathan:So why not do this?
Nathan:The rules are this.
Nathan:We are each going to draft five Harrison Ford movies.
Nathan:And we cannot draft this.
Nathan:Once a movie is drafted, it is off the table book.
Nathan:Off the table.
Nathan:It is and we just want to get our five feet movies.
Nathan:I'm excited.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:And Saint, this
Sam:ain't no joke.
Sam:This is gonna be epic.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:So what's funny is I looked at his filmography.
Nathan:He is not the most prolific.
Nathan:Actor out there.
Nathan:He's been around since the early seventies, but man, he, and he is a
Bee:little bit of a journeyman too, right?
Bee:He just takes job.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:So let's see what happens.
Nathan:And I had to do this.
Nathan:Did you, I know I didn't, I sprung this on you, but do you have any
Nathan:particular strategy you wanna share?
Bee:No.
Bee:I'm not telling you.
Trailer:Poker, puh, poker face.
Trailer:Okay.
Bee:Alright, speaking of my fave, my favorite hair is important.
Nathan:To do this in a fair way, this is how, we will do a random number for
Nathan:this, cause I don't have a better system.
Nathan:No, I like the order we were in.
Nathan:1 to
Bee:20?
Nathan:We'll do 1 to 20.
Bee:11.
Nathan:He has 11.
Nathan:16.
Nathan:And I'll do, and I'll do 2.
Nathan:And it is 18.
Nathan:Woo!
Nathan:So Sam, you are going 1st, Bea, you are going 2nd, and I'm going 3rd.
Trailer:Okay.
Trailer:A trilogy of people.
Nathan:A three quill.
Nathan:Alright, so Sam, you get the first pick in our movie draft,
Nathan:Harrison Ford movie draft.
Nathan:And I want to do this also let's like a timer, like 10 seconds at most.
Nathan:So let's do this fast.
Nathan:So keep this entertaining,
Sam:sounds good.
Sam:So I, when I was born in 1981, for my first choice, I would choose the
Sam:excellent Peter Weir directed film Witness starring Harrison Ford.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Witness at the table.
Bee:Dammit.
Nathan:Already done.
Nathan:Not happy.
Nathan:All right, B.
Bee:Blade Runner.
Nathan:Blade Runner.
Nathan:Oh, you guys, I don't know what's
Bee:wrong with me.
Bee:B's second favorite movie.
Bee:Okay.
Nathan:I am, I'm going to go with Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Bee:Dammit.
Bee:All right.
Bee:It's fine.
Bee:I'm fine.
Nathan:You're fine.
Nathan:You're fine.
Nathan:We're fine.
Bee:I'm fine.
Bee:It's fine.
Bee:All
Nathan:right.
Nathan:I got my Indiana Jones in.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:And are we doing snake?
Nathan:We're doing snake.
Nathan:I didn't mention that before, but we have to do snake.
Nathan:Do what?
Nathan:Snake order.
Nathan:Snake order.
Nathan:So I have the fourth pick.
Nathan:The third and fourth pick, we do snake order throughout.
Nathan:I'm just bringing the sign in now.
Nathan:Oh.
Nathan:You know what I'm saying?
Bee:Yeah, either way, I'm in the middle, doesn't matter.
Nathan:Right.
Nathan:I want to witness, but that's okay.
Nathan:I have to get in the two of the biggest franchises he was in.
Nathan:But I, he's, he was never cooler.
Nathan:In a Star Wars movie than he was in Empire Strikes Back.
Bee:Mm hmm.
Nathan:Okay.
Bee:I'm going Last Crusade.
Nathan:Last Crusade.
Nathan:I'm gonna take the movie
Bee:we just watched.
Nathan:Last Crusade is off the table.
Nathan:All right, Blade Runner Last Crusade, we are all in the 80s still.
Sam:Wait, do I, It's the early days.
Sam:I go now, right?
Sam:Or do I not?
Nathan:Yes, you and you pick two.
Nathan:You get two picks, Sam.
Sam:Oh, wow.
Sam:Options.
Bee:I'm gonna.
Bee:Are the middles really.
Bee:I'm
Sam:gonna.
Sam:I'm gonna.
Sam:So I can choose two right now is what you're saying?
Sam:Yes.
Sam:Yes.
Sam:That's incredible.
Sam:I'm gonna do a one, two Philip Noyce punch from 1992 and 1994.
Sam:That would be.
Sam:You aren't you?
Sam:Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger.
Bee:I was going to do Patriot Games.
Bee:Oh, I was going to do Patriot Games.
Bee:Okay, it's fine.
Sam:I had those two available to me.
Sam:It was all too clear.
Bee:I'm doing The Fugitive.
Nathan:The Fugitive.
Nathan:Tommy Lee Jones.
Nathan:All my favorites are being taken away.
Nathan:Joey Pants.
Nathan:Okay, my top tier is gone, all except for one.
Nathan:But, I don't know if I want that one.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:And okay, this is going to sound like an odd pick, but I think this is an
Nathan:extremely underrated movie, and I think the only time he ever played
Nathan:a villain, and I love this movie to death, and this is What Lies Beneath.
Sam:Ooh, good one.
Sam:Good choice.
Bee:Never seen it.
Bee:I love the variety.
Bee:You'd like it, it's
Trailer:scary.
Trailer:I would.
Trailer:I love this.
Trailer:It's actually really good.
Trailer:Yeah.
Nathan:And I can't, I had to go with that because I've got
Nathan:the other franchise covered.
Nathan:Nobody's picked the other anyways, it's okay.
Nathan:I know B, you're not going to take any Star Wars movies.
Bee:I like Star Wars.
Bee:There's no reason that I wouldn't take any Star Wars movies.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:Oh, I've got another pick.
Nathan:I think I have another pick.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:I get another one.
Nathan:Hmm.
Nathan:I can't, I don't want two Star Wars movies in my pick.
Nathan:I want variety.
Nathan:And you've taken all the ones that I want, so I am gonna go down another tier.
Trailer:You sure it's not Return of the Jedi
Trailer:. Nathan: Sorry man.
Trailer:And I am going to here's okay, this is gonna be a little weird Be
Trailer:you took Blade Runner and I am a giant fan of Blade 20 20, 20 49.
Trailer:Yeah.
Trailer:Yeah, I was gonna take
Bee:it.
Bee:That's a great, it's a great legacy.
Bee:Cool.
Nathan:Yeah, I'm done with that.
Nathan:I love
Bee:that movie.
Bee:Fuck.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:I only got one pick after this.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:How many
Bee:picks do I have?
Nathan:You get you're up, you got two picks.
Nathan:These are your last two, , you got one pick.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah, you're in the middle.
Bee:Okay.
Bee:All right.
Bee:This is tough.
Bee:This is tough.
Bee:I'll go Star Wars.
Bee:Let's do the OG Star Wars.
Nathan:Alright.
Nathan:Sam?
Trailer:Get off my plane, Air Force One.
Nathan:Air Force One.
Nathan:Can't believe none
Bee:of us picked Sabrina.
Nathan:Yeah, I've seen that.
Nathan:And Sam, you have your last pick.
Sam:Ah,
Sam:fleppergast.
Nathan:The Devil's Own.
Sam:I, completely, I can't believe I'm going to pick this movie.
Sam:This I, this is I'm committing blasphemy.
Sam:This movie is a guilty pleasure for me.
Sam:Give you a hint.
Sam:He co stars in this film.
Sam:One of his co stars is David Schwimmer.
Sam:I'm of course referring to six days, seven nights.
Sam:I
Nathan:didn't expect that.
Sam:Yeah, neither did I.
Sam:Yeah, I
Nathan:did not expect that.
Nathan:I haven't seen it.
Sam:So it's ridiculous.
Sam:I love it.
Sam:It's like Diet Coke, Indiana Jones, basically.
Nathan:Okay,
Nathan:be your last pick.
Bee:Oh, I got one more.
Bee:I thought that was my last one.
Bee:You have Blade
Nathan:Runner, Last Crusade, Fugitive and Star Wars.
Trailer:Let me guess Force 10 from Navarone?
Bee:Nailed it.
Bee:Obviously it's Cowboys and Aliens.
Bee:No, it's not.
Bee:It's not.
Bee:It's not.
Bee:It's Not his biggest, but he's in American Graffiti, it's not a vehicle for him, but
Nathan:it's not, and I thought about that because it's a really
Nathan:great movie, but he's, it's not a
Bee:Harrison Ford vehicle, I be tempted to do Working Girl or something,
Bee:but I like American Graffiti better.
Bee:You did
Sam:pick The Fugitive, right?
Sam:She has it.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Okay, good.
Sam:I'm just glad that movie has someone has to acknowledge that.
Sam:Yeah, that's a great movie.
Sam:Yeah.
Bumper:Yeah.
Sam:That's like quintessential Harrison Ford on the run.
Sam:God, it's great.
Nathan:And that leaves my final pick.
Nathan:And I'm looking like, do I have anything in the second, third or fourth tier?
Nathan:And it's, man, it's like more Star Wars and Indiana Jones films.
Bee:You can pick those though.
Sam:I think you should pick the Rise of Skywalker because he's in it
Sam:for 10 minutes or like 10 seconds.
Nathan:Honestly, the movie that I have, okay, here it is.
Nathan:This is actually a really good movie and I almost forgot all about it.
Nathan:And it's the film that he met River Phoenix on to, To suggest that he become,
Nathan:he be cast as the young version of him.
Nathan:And that is the mosquito coast, really good film.
Bee:I want to see that.
Bee:I've never seen it, but I think I would like it.
Sam:I think also a Peter Weir film, I think, right?
Sam:It is.
Sam:It is.
Sam:Yeah.
Bee:Yeah, I know.
Bee:Cause I was going through Peter Weir stuff when we were doing our Mad Max.
Bee:It's
Nathan:low in my tears because I haven't seen it since probably 1988 or so.
Nathan:But I remember.
Nathan:I don't know if I was liking it back then, but I was 14 or so when I saw it.
Nathan:So I don't, it might sit very differently with me then.
Nathan:I'd like to watch it again, I think it's really good.
Bee:I like Harrison Ford as an actor, but he is either in movies that I
Bee:really or movies that I really are so not up my street at all, I don't know.
Bee:I totally hear that.
Bee:All my
Sam:choices are essentially like Harrison Ford vehicles, like he's such a good
Sam:movie star that like, you see the movies that are like Ford, center, whatever.
Nathan:Honestly, there's his last one, two, three, four, five,
Nathan:six, seven, eight, nine, 10, his last 13 movies I've only seen.
Nathan:Over the last 13 movies, like Dial of Destiny, Blade Runner,
Nathan:Force Awakens, and Crystal Skull.
Nathan:If you go back before that, I stopped watching his movies
Nathan:after K 19, The Widowmaker.
Nathan:Everything after that, I've barely seen anything like Firewall,
Nathan:Hollywood Homicide, Crossing Over.
Nathan:Firewall, oh
Trailer:man.
Nathan:Extraordinary measures, morning glory.
Nathan:I never saw Cowboys and Aliens.
Nathan:I never saw Ender's Game.
Nathan:I never saw Call of the Wild.
Nathan:So all of these are very fascinating.
Nathan:How come Call of
Sam:the Wild didn't get picked tonight?
Sam:Yeah, I've seen those all.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Some of them aren't so great.
Sam:Ender's Game,
Bee:I liked the book a lot.
Bee:I wasn't thrilled with the movie.
Bee:It was fine.
Bee:Yeah, there was just There's some stuff that I'm just like, yeah, it's just.
Sam:Ender's Game, the movie was like,
Bee:that was good.
Bee:Technically a movie.
Bee:All
Nathan:right, let's just recap our list here.
Nathan:Sam, run down your movies.
Sam:My movies are Six Days, Seven Nights, Witness, Clear and Present
Sam:Danger, Patriot Games, and Air Force One.
Nathan:Bea, run down your movies.
Bee:No, I didn't write them down.
Bee:I will run
Nathan:down your movies.
Nathan:You have Blade Runner, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, The Fugitive, Star Wars,
Nathan:A New Hope, just to clarify, the first one, and American Graffiti, the first one.
Nathan:I have great taste.
Nathan:And my five movies were Raiders of the Lost Ark, Empire Strikes Back,
Nathan:What Lies Beneath, Blade Runner 2049, and The Mosquito Coast.
Nathan:Listeners at home.
Nathan:Who won this draft?
Nathan:Let us know.
Nathan:Obviously it was me.
Nathan:Obviously.
Nathan:It's not even a contest.
Bee:So sorry guys.
Bee:And
Nathan:our, so we're going to end this episode with our weekly highlight, where
Nathan:we just talk about anything that we watched this week in the world of movies
Nathan:or not, if anyone has anything they would like to mention, I have something, but
Nathan:would anybody else like to go first?
Sam:Go for it.
Sam:You go first.
Sam:I'm thinking, I'm sure I saw something.
Nathan:You guys already mentioned last week that you saw Tim Burton's
Nathan:Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, but I did finally catch up with it.
Nathan:Oh, nice.
Nathan:This past week.
Nathan:I'd like to say it's the best thing that Tim Burton has done in
Nathan:decades, but honestly, I've barely seen anything he's done in so long.
Nathan:So I can only speculate that this is the best thing he's done in a long time.
Nathan:I have watched Wednesday the Netflix show, which I do think is well done,
Nathan:which of course he's behind that.
Nathan:This film though, I liked it, didn't love it, definitely think the second
Nathan:half is stronger than the first.
Nathan:And maybe that's because it spends a lot of time.
Nathan:Introducing a lot of characters up front, but I think it's to the film's
Nathan:detriment way too many characters, way too many subplots and several, which
Nathan:they could have just done away with.
Nathan:And I think the film would have been stronger.
Nathan:What I did like though, in the second half is that this, it does
Nathan:just completely go bat shit crazy and really happy about that.
Nathan:And I'm glad they didn't, still did not make Beetlejuice like.
Nathan:The main character.
Nathan:And I was worried that this is what a lot of legacy equals do.
Nathan:Oh, the thing that everybody loves.
Nathan:We're going to make that the thing.
Bee:Yeah.
Nathan:And, but I did read that if you do clock it, michael Keaton's Beetlejuice is
Nathan:like in the first movie, like 20 minutes.
Nathan:He's in this movie 40 minutes, which is significantly more, but it still
Nathan:didn't feel like it was overused.
Nathan:Keaton's still awesome in this movie.
Nathan:I thought shined in this.
Nathan:She was my second favorite part of this movie.
Nathan:Me too.
Nathan:I thought Jenna Torgo, Jenna Ortega was born to be in this franchise.
Nathan:Winona Ryder, I don't know, I was really mixed on her in this film.
Nathan:But anyways I did like the
Sam:story element where the daughter, when the kid that she's interested
Sam:in turns out to be like a dead,
Nathan:I loved that.
Nathan:I love that because when that, when they were first, let's not spoil it.
Nathan:Let's not say a lot of people have not seen it
Sam:Without giving away anything, I'll say when that character was first.
Sam:Introduced, I thought, I was like, oh God, this is so cliche and boring.
Sam:And I like that.
Sam:There's more to it than that.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:But yeah, I'm just, I am happy.
Nathan:It's not terrible, but it was as good as I thought it was.
Nathan:I not good best way.
Nathan:I, it's about what I thought it was gonna be on the quality level.
Nathan:It's serviceable fun.
Nathan:It's fan service.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:But I'm a fan and I was serviced.
Nathan:Yeah.
Bee:Like
Bee:I.
Bee:I think the movie suffers from too many plot lines.
Bee:Like I think it's two movies that are clashing often.
Bee:I thought it was
Nathan:five movies that were, I
Sam:hear that.
Sam:I feel like it didn't
Bee:bother me.
Bee:I still loved it.
Bee:I
Sam:enjoyed it.
Sam:I feel like the first film had the novelty of like their perception
Sam:of what the afterlife is like, that it's like very bureaucratic.
Sam:And like you see it for the first time in that film.
Sam:So the concept is fresh where I feel like this movie Oscillates
Sam:back and forth between the ghost world and the regular world.
Sam:And it's busy.
Sam:It has a lot going on,
Nathan:but yeah, but
Sam:I hear you.
Sam:Yeah.
Nathan:I'll leave it there.
Nathan:Cause we're not doing like a full review on it, but I had a good time.
Nathan:I had a good time and I thought it got stronger as the movie went on.
Nathan:But anyways, that's, Beetlejuice.
Nathan:Beetlejuice it's in theaters right now.
Bee:I did not watch something new this week.
Bee:I watched something very old from 1947.
Bee:I watched Orson Welles, Lady from Shanghai, Three to Hayward.
Bee:Oh, it's so good.
Bee:You guys, it's so good.
Bee:It's a little noir.
Bee:It's a little, it's very fun.
Bee:Very fun.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:I don't want to give it away.
Bee:Cause I hate to spoil a nearly a hundred year old movie, but please don't.
Nathan:There are people are hanging on their seats, trying to, I don't want
Nathan:to, I Anything Sam, that you did no,
Sam:I saw last crusade, but it's a crazy week, but not much.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:I meant to continue watching rings of power season two.
Sam:I didn't get to it.
Sam:So definitely next, next week I've only seen the first two episodes.
Sam:Yeah,
Nathan:I did see the new Jeremy Saulnier movie rebel Ridge on Netflix.
Nathan:I, I do like his films a lot.
Nathan:I'm a huge fan of Green Room and Blue Ruin.
Nathan:I like, I did like it.
Nathan:I like go crazy over it.
Nathan:There's a lot of love for this online right now, but I thought
Nathan:this was a really good entry.
Nathan:If you like First Blood, Sylvester Stallone film, this is like.
Nathan:In that tone, although much less violent, but it's like a similar type of character
Nathan:in a, in that kind of situation.
Nathan:It's well done.
Nathan:It's really well done.
Nathan:Not if you look at like the Netflix cover art, you would think this
Nathan:is just some generic action film.
Nathan:It's.
Nathan:It's more than that.
Nathan:It's got Don Johnson.
Nathan:It's got Don Johnson
Bee:in
Nathan:a great role.
Nathan:I like him so much.
Nathan:Jeremy Salonier is a really good director.
Nathan:And his stuff is excellent.
Nathan:That's awesome.
Nathan:So I recommend it.
Nathan:And yeah that's really what I've been doing this week.
Bee:I'm going to start a Coen brothers rewatch and go through their filmography.
Bee:I've seen most of it.
Bee:There's a few key ones that I'm missing, but I think I might
Bee:just start at the beginning.
Bee:Do it again.
Bee:I rewatched a true grit, their remake of true grit, which is one
Bee:of my favorite Coen brother movies.
Bee:It's
Trailer:a little beef.
Bee:It's a perfect modern Western and it was so great to get lost in it.
Bee:I just thought, I should just do all these again.
Sam:I love that movie and Dana Carvey made the, did the funniest impression.
Sam:Of, I can't name, I haven't heard brain is, it's, the guy
Sam:from, The Jeff Bridges in Jeremy.
Sam:He did an impression of him and he said that he sounds like he's
Sam:digesting an enormous amount of food when he delivers any line in the way.
Sam:Cause
Trailer:he's
Sam:Digesting like steak, it's perfect.
Bee:I love that movie.
Bee:I think I saw it like four times in theaters.
Sam:That's a great movie.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:I think that about wraps it up.
Nathan:Next week, come back, we are gonna be wrapping up our quest for fortune
Nathan:and glory with Indiana Jones.
Nathan:In the kingdom of the crystal skull.
Nathan:What
Sam:folks, what'd you say, Sam?
Sam:Saving the best for last.
Nathan:Saving the best for last.
Nathan:It'll be a, it'll be a fun discussion.
Sam:It will.
Sam:All right.
Sam:That's the show.
Sam:Be is like.
Sam:Trying to decode that.
Sam:She's I don't know what they mean.
Sam:That's the fun of it.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:No, I
Bee:think you guys are being sarcastic, but I'm still on the, I
Bee:don't know if there will be Nazis again.
Sam:We'll see.
Sam:Never know.
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