Ever feel like you are a mean mom? The difference between being mean and being firm can be confusing. A lot of moms think that when they are firm with their children, they are being mean.
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Get clear on the difference between being firm and mean and what to do when you’ve actually been mean with your child.
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I want you to know…
Being mean is when you hurt your child’s body. It’s when the moment of holding their arm to protect yourself or others becomes you squeezing too hard, or shoving their body away.
Being mean with your mouth is when you personalize your kid’s behavior or mistakes and say something about them as a person.
There might be a moment or many moments when you’ve been physical with your child in a way that crossed a line. Or moments when you’ve called your child a mean name. Or lectured them into shutdown mode. Cornered them with your rage.
As you hear me share examples in this episode, you might be flooded with shame and guilt.
The way to get out of that shame and guilt is to talk about these moments. To find out what was going on for you in that moment. To be tender enough with yourself that you can say what you did, and ALSO explore what led up to that moment. You can’t change something if you won’t look at it.
The best thing you can do is find your firm, strong, leadership voice as a mom. Get clear on what is and what is not allowed in your family. Be firm, without being harsh.
I’ll leave you with this quote from one of my clients who said “Firm limits are the shortcut to the behavior you want without making your kid feel like shit in the process”. Yep. Firm, but not mean. You’ve got this.
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All right, welcome back to another episode of the podcast. I'm Darlin,
Speaker:I'm your host, and I am going to talk today about
Speaker:being mean as a mom. And what I have been hearing
Speaker:from some of my moms, especially moms with like 3
Speaker:to 6 year olds or 3 to 7 year olds, but even older, is
Speaker:this thought of like, oh, I'm such a mean mom, like,
Speaker:oh, I was so mean to them, or I'm so mean, or isn't that mean?
Speaker:Or do you think I'm mean? And they're asking me if I think that
Speaker:they're mean. I think that there's this confusion around
Speaker:being mean and being firm. And I want to talk about that today.
Speaker:So a lot of moms, they think that when they're being firm with their
Speaker:children, they are being mean. So let me give you some examples. Like when you
Speaker:have one kid pulling the other kid's hair, like, you have one kid and they're
Speaker:like, and they're pulling the other kid's hair, it's not mean to say, stop
Speaker:that, don't do that. That's not safe. Using that firm voice.
Speaker:Or when your child is hitting you or spitting on you,
Speaker:it's not mean to say, no, don't hit me. My body
Speaker:stays safe. Don't hit. It's even not mean
Speaker:to grab their hands and hold them
Speaker:tightly, not squeezing, not hurting them, but to hold them while
Speaker:you are looking at their face and saying, no, don't hit,
Speaker:hit. That hurts. That's not okay.
Speaker:I want you to understand that that's not mean. Moms will say, you
Speaker:know, oh, I was so mean. I'm such a terrible mom. And I will often
Speaker:say, okay. Like if someone comes to a coaching call and they say, I was
Speaker:so mean, I don't assume that they were and I don't assume that they
Speaker:weren't. I actually want them to tell me the story. And
Speaker:often as they share the story, they'll tell things like that I've just
Speaker:described. They've said they've used a firm voice when their
Speaker:kid has done something unsafe or they've set a boundary with their body,
Speaker:right? They're like, don't touch me, don't hurt me. That hurts my hair. And
Speaker:moms will think, oh, I'm being so mean when what they've done is they've just
Speaker:clearly communicated to their child that their behavior doesn't work.
Speaker:I'm going to give you some examples of when you need to be firm with
Speaker:your child. If your 3 year old is screaming in A restaurant.
Speaker:Not because they like pinch their finger or, you know, have a tummy ache or
Speaker:something, but they're just kind of like, give me more french fries or
Speaker:whatever. Or you've told them no, don't you, you can't eat his food.
Speaker:That's your brother's food. Then it's not mean to take them outside.
Speaker:And then with a very clear voice say,
Speaker:screaming in a restaurant isn't okay. We'll go back inside. When
Speaker:your body is calm, let me help you calm your body. Let's jump up and
Speaker:down together. Is it mean to take your 3 year old out of a restaurant
Speaker:when they're screaming and then be firm with them? No, it's not.
Speaker:When your 8 year old is using swear words, it's not mean to
Speaker:say, those words are not okay. You can stay here with
Speaker:us as long as you use kind words. Do you hear? My voice
Speaker:is very firm. It's very strong. I think of this as
Speaker:parent leadership, but I'm using a very strong voice
Speaker:and saying those words are not okay. You can
Speaker:stay here wherever you are. Like if you're playing in the family room or they're
Speaker:at their neighbors or wherever they are, you can stay here as long as you
Speaker:use kind words. And then if they're not able to use kind
Speaker:words or they want to, you know, see what happens if they, you know, say
Speaker:the F word or whatever. It's not mean to say. Looks.
Speaker:Looks like you are using potty words. You can go into
Speaker:the bathroom and say all those words and then come out when you're ready. We're
Speaker:taking the charge out of those moments. We're kind of
Speaker:communicating to our child like, these words aren't okay in this space. If you want
Speaker:to say them, go in there. I love that for potty talk, by the way.
Speaker:Like poops. I don't like to say the F
Speaker:word, you know, but like fart, you know, it's like
Speaker:whenever your kids are using potty words, you can also say, oh, those words are
Speaker:not those words. Don't. Those are only potty words. You can go in the bathroom
Speaker:and say those words. So it's not mean, right? It's not mean
Speaker:to let your child know that because they made you late for work
Speaker:four times this week, you aren't willing to drive them to the mall on Saturday.
Speaker:I hear parents often say, oh, it's so mean. I'm being so mean.
Speaker:If I say, no, no, you're going to have to hold
Speaker:boundaries. You're going to have to set limits. In order to teach your kids
Speaker:how to behave in the world. Like what works? If you're thinking
Speaker:you're being mean, then you're not going to be able to set those limits. If
Speaker:you think limits are mean, it's going to be really hard for you to set
Speaker:limits. And that's why I'm letting you know that setting limits
Speaker:isn't mean. It's not mean to leave your
Speaker:7 year old at home with their mom or their dad when you go to
Speaker:Target. Even if you promised that you would take them to go to Target.
Speaker:It's not mean to say, actually no, I'm not taking
Speaker:you to Target because you called me stupid wicked woman
Speaker:earlier today and I don't want to have to go to Target and have someone
Speaker:call me names. So you're not coming. Is it mean?
Speaker:No. It's not mean to hold a four year old's hands when they are
Speaker:hitting you or their sibling. It's not mean to not give your
Speaker:teen allowance or not let them drive the car or not buy them a
Speaker:new dress or tie for homecoming if their room is a mess.
Speaker:So I want to clarify what mean is and what mean isn't. And I
Speaker:think a lot of parents confuse being firm with being mean.
Speaker:So using a firm voice isn't mean. Keeping people
Speaker:safe isn't mean. Having limits isn't mean.
Speaker:It's actually mean if you don't. Enforcing your boundaries
Speaker:isn't mean. Following through on consequences isn't mean.
Speaker:So I don't want you to confuse being firm with being
Speaker:mean. This is what being mean actually is. Being
Speaker:mean is when you hurt your child's
Speaker:body. And when I say hurt your child's body, what I mean is
Speaker:there's a moment when, when you are holding someone's hands,
Speaker:protecting yourself or protecting other children. And
Speaker:there's a moment when you go from protecting yourself to
Speaker:actually hurting your child, right? Squeezing too hard or shoving
Speaker:their body away. There are going to be moments when
Speaker:you've been physical with your child in a way that crosses the line.
Speaker:There's going to be moments when you've called your child a mean
Speaker:name like you've actually name called them. There's going
Speaker:to be moments when you are meanly lecturing and
Speaker:pushing your child into shutdown mode. There are going to be
Speaker:moments where you're mean and you're cornering your children with your
Speaker:rage. There are moments when we say those
Speaker:sentences, those things, those insults and we know we're hurting our
Speaker:kids. You know, when you're being mean truly but
Speaker:if you convince yourself that you're being mean when you're being
Speaker:firm, it is going to be get very confusing about how to be
Speaker:more firm and how to stop being mean. You cannot combine the
Speaker:two. So we want to separate when you're actually being mean to when
Speaker:you're being firm. As I say, those examples of, you know, being
Speaker:too physical with your child, saying something mean,
Speaker:swearing at them, cornering them, screaming in their
Speaker:face. I know that if you have done some of these, right
Speaker:now you're hearing me say these examples, and you're like, yep,
Speaker:yep, yep, I've. Yep. That I've done that.
Speaker:And you might be flooded with shame and guilt. So I want you
Speaker:to just pause and I'm gonna help you move through that shame and guilt because
Speaker:I don't want you to get stuck there with the meanness,
Speaker:okay? To get out of shame and
Speaker:guilt. It is vital, it is so important that you talk about
Speaker:these moments when you have actually been mean, when
Speaker:you've actually crossed that line, when you've been too physical or
Speaker:too harsh. It's important to talk about those moments.
Speaker:And a lot of times moms will talk about the other
Speaker:moments where they're like, I was so mean, I had to,
Speaker:like, pull my child off my other child. And you're
Speaker:admitting that in order to kind of see if it's safe to
Speaker:admit the real things. And then the other mom is like, oh, that's.
Speaker:That's mean. Okay, well, I guess I'm mean, too. And all of a sudden, neither
Speaker:of you are having a real conversation about times when you lose your shit with
Speaker:your kids, because that's what I'm actually talking about here.
Speaker:When we are honest about what happens when we
Speaker:cross that line, there's a lot of healing that can come.
Speaker:And I'm going to model, I'm going to share with you a story of myself,
Speaker:of how I crossed that line, and when I have
Speaker:been mean and harsh and too physical with my kids.
Speaker:When you want to take a look at some of these moments, I want you
Speaker:to be really tender with yourself and being
Speaker:curious about why you acted that way instead of
Speaker:judging and being mean to yourself about being mean,
Speaker:being tender. So I'm going to share with you right now a moment when I
Speaker:was too physical with my child, a moment when instead of being
Speaker:firm, I was mean. And, of course, this is hard to admit on a
Speaker:podcast, right? But I also know that if I keep moments
Speaker:like this in the dark, or if you keep moments when you have been mean
Speaker:in the dark. That what happens is that we get strangled by the
Speaker:shame of those moments. We get stuck in that shame of
Speaker:feeling like we are bad and that we are wrong. Being stuck in
Speaker:shame is the opposite of becoming calm. You cannot
Speaker:become calm until you admit to the moments when you aren't.
Speaker:So I'm going to admit to a moment when I wasn't. So here's what was
Speaker:going on. Lincoln, my oldest, who's now 18,
Speaker:he was around 18 months old. And we were on a camping trip and it
Speaker:was hot and dusty and I was pretty overwhelmed by
Speaker:all of it. Like keeping a baby safe around a fire with
Speaker:dirt. And all of that was hard for me. And I'm an outdoorsy person, but
Speaker:having a little one on a trip like that, it was so, so hot
Speaker:and dusty. Dusty campground. And of course, we hadn't
Speaker:slept much, and it was in the morning and it was just Lincoln and I
Speaker:in the tent and he needed a diaper change. And while I was changing his
Speaker:diaper, he kicked me in the stomach. Now, I'm going to be honest, I
Speaker:have no idea if it was a hard kick or not, but it hurt.
Speaker:And without a second of pause, I slapped his leg.
Speaker:I can remember even now, as I talk about it, taking my right hand and
Speaker:just whack one right on his thigh. And he didn't have any
Speaker:pants on because I was changing him. And I could see
Speaker:that red welt on his leg. And it was, without a
Speaker:second of pause, it just kick, slap. It was like that
Speaker:fast. When I saw that little red handprint, I was
Speaker:filled with guilt. Now, guilt is a normal emotion,
Speaker:and it makes sense to feel it when we do something wrong. When we
Speaker:hurt someone, we ought to feel some guilt. Or it's normal to feel
Speaker:some guilt. When we are mean, it's normal to feel some guilt. And I did.
Speaker:I felt a lot of guilt. I felt very, very bad for him. I felt
Speaker:very upset that I had done that. And then almost
Speaker:immediately, I was flooded with shame. So shame
Speaker:is different from guilt. Guilt says I've done something
Speaker:wrong. Shame says there's something wrong with me. And in
Speaker:that moment, I was like, I'm a terrible mom. I shouldn't even be a mom.
Speaker:If other moms knew I did this, they would hate me. I hate.
Speaker:And I just felt just so awful and just
Speaker:like, terrible. Not, oh, I've done something wrong, but,
Speaker:like, something is wrong with me. That's what shame
Speaker:is. And then, of course, I catastrophized the
Speaker:moment, and I made it mean A bunch of things about the future.
Speaker:Like, oh, my God, I'm gonna mess this kid up. He's gonna be so, you
Speaker:know, such a disaster. I'm ruining him. So then my
Speaker:anxiety tapped in and I was definitely, like,
Speaker:spiraling and just feeling so terrible and
Speaker:really stuck. So in that moment, I didn't,
Speaker:I want to say, like, I didn't immediately admit I needed help. I didn't, like,
Speaker:leave the tent and be like, oh, my gosh, I just hit him. I
Speaker:feel so bad. Something is happening in me. I probably need some
Speaker:help. And I'm not saying, like, everybody needs help the first time, or like,
Speaker:if you hit your kid one time, but if you are
Speaker:kind of in a pattern of hitting your child or like
Speaker:noticing that when your stress response gets activated that you
Speaker:turn mean, then it's important to get some
Speaker:help. It's important to address your rage and your
Speaker:reactivity. What was happening for me in that moment is
Speaker:now that I've admitted it and gone back and talked about it
Speaker:and, you know, watched the pattern in me for years and years
Speaker:of like, why was sometimes. Why was I being
Speaker:activated sometimes? Why. Why did I turn like that with my kids?
Speaker:And so for me, I was having kind of a trauma
Speaker:response. I was acting out some old wounds
Speaker:in my life from my childhood. So for me, as
Speaker:a child, I experienced a lot of abuse and neglect.
Speaker:And I don't want to, like, make this all, like a downer
Speaker:episode, but that was true for me. That's my story
Speaker:now. One of the coping strategies that I created for
Speaker:myself in order to deal with all
Speaker:of that kind of chaos of my childhood is that I became
Speaker:hyper vigilant. I became on guard. I became really
Speaker:protective of myself, and I was very,
Speaker:very strong, right? No one will hurt me. No one will. I will never put
Speaker:myself in a position where I am victimized. I am not a victim, right?
Speaker:So I was like, embodying a. A very powerful
Speaker:sense of being. And that protective strategy
Speaker:worked for a really long time. It was really healthy
Speaker:and good for me. But when I became a mom,
Speaker:that protective strategy, that vigilance and protectiveness
Speaker:of my body and of me became
Speaker:a problem. Because here's the thing. Kids hit,
Speaker:kids kick, kids spit, kids scream. They do all sort
Speaker:of, sort of out of bounds behavior because they're young, they don't know
Speaker:what the bounds are. They have to break the bounds. They have to go outside
Speaker:the bounds in order to learn what's in the bounds, right? That's what we're
Speaker:doing as parents. Is where we're teaching our children how
Speaker:to stay within the bounds, how to manage their feelings in
Speaker:ways that work. They start out by acting out all of their feelings
Speaker:in ways that don't work for everybody else. And then it's our job
Speaker:to teach them how to act those feelings out in ways that do work for
Speaker:everybody. But when my brain was seeing those behaviors,
Speaker:like kicking me as an actual threat to my safety and
Speaker:to my core identity, I saw red. I mean,
Speaker:honestly, I was highly reactive. My stress response was
Speaker:zero to whatever, a thousand in a split
Speaker:second. So I would get bigger and louder and stronger and meaner
Speaker:and colder and hotter. And basically, I did all sorts of mean
Speaker:things to shut their shit down so I could feel better. That was
Speaker:my pattern. That's why I was mean. Not because I was
Speaker:a bad person, not because I'm not a good mom,
Speaker:not because I am, you know, like, yeah, a
Speaker:horrible person. There's nothing wrong with me. I just had
Speaker:maladaptive coping strategies to stress, and I needed
Speaker:new tools. Is it mean to hit your kid?
Speaker:Yes. Yes. Is it mean to call
Speaker:your kid a name? Yes. Is it mean to scream at your
Speaker:child in their face? Yes. But here's the thing. We have to
Speaker:talk about the mean things in order to get help to change. If no one
Speaker:knows you're doing that, then you're going to get stuck. If
Speaker:shame would have kept me stuck, I would have stayed in that mean mom
Speaker:story, and I would never have learned how to become a calm mama. And
Speaker:like I said, I didn't get help with my rage until
Speaker:Lincoln was four. This happened at 18 months. For two and a
Speaker:half years, I was sort of stuck in
Speaker:this very, very hard turmoil place
Speaker:of shame and also continuing to use
Speaker:the. These coping strategies that were causing harm for me and for my
Speaker:kids. This was not me being firm. This was not
Speaker:me being clear and setting really clear limits. I had no
Speaker:idea how to do any of that. I would just pop. And
Speaker:once I did get help, it took me a few years before I was
Speaker:regularly able to stop being mean with their bodies.
Speaker:Like, I don't wanna say years. Actually, that happened pretty fast. I learned
Speaker:like, oh, I gotta pause and reset. And, you know, I have a ton of
Speaker:episodes on regulating your emotions as the parent. Right.
Speaker:Pausing, resetting your body, resetting your mind, resetting
Speaker:your emotions. And I. I talk about it all the time
Speaker:because I know that that's key. If you want to stop being mean, you have
Speaker:got to pause and reset. It was pretty quick learning how to not
Speaker:hurt their bodies. But I do remember even like Sawyer being
Speaker:four and me getting so angry with him.
Speaker:And this would have been after two years of being in,
Speaker:you know, getting some support and some help and still,
Speaker:like, I remember picking up his body. He was 4, picking up his body and
Speaker:kind of tossing him on the bed and oh, just
Speaker:feeling so terrible about it. Less shame
Speaker:though, to be honest. I was like, oh, okay, what happened there?
Speaker:Why was I so reactive? What was going on for me? What did I need
Speaker:to do? When could I have paused, right? Because I'd already had some time, tools.
Speaker:Now it has taken me longer to stop being mean with my
Speaker:mouth. Like, I yelled for a lot of years
Speaker:and, you know, it took me a long time to figure out how to regulate.
Speaker:Like, I could kind of control my body, but not so much my mouth,
Speaker:it took longer. So what is it? What do I mean by being mean with
Speaker:your mouth? Okay, it's when you personalize your kids behavior
Speaker:or if they make a mistake and you say something about them as a
Speaker:person. So personalizing as an attack, right?
Speaker:Like saying, what is wrong with you? You always do this. No one's gonna like
Speaker:you if you keep doing this. You're so mean. You're a
Speaker:liar. Do you know what happens to liars?
Speaker:You never change. You're always like this. Are you ever gonna learn
Speaker:or keep eating like that and you're gonna be fat or stop being a
Speaker:crybaby. Your brother's not crying, right? You get the point.
Speaker:I don't wanna go too far with these because it feels really awful to hear
Speaker:them and. But that's when you're being mean with your mouth. So
Speaker:lectures are often mean. Insults are mean. Name calling
Speaker:is mean. Physical aggression is mean. Threats are mean.
Speaker:Sometimes even rescuing your child from a mistake is mean because
Speaker:you're like protecting yourself because you don't want your kid to be in
Speaker:pain, so you rescue them. So you deprive them of a learning
Speaker:opportunity. That can be kind of mean. As I talk about this,
Speaker:you might be like, okay, shit,
Speaker:I am in a pattern of being mean. Like,
Speaker:you know the difference between being firm being mean. You know,
Speaker:if you're being mean and you might be feeling like, okay, so what
Speaker:do I do about it now? The first thing you want to do, like
Speaker:I said, is admit it to someone. Go to your partner
Speaker:and say, say, say, hey, I'm struggling. I don't think I was honest with
Speaker:Kevin about this for a really long time. It was like I could kind
Speaker:of keep it together when he was around. Plus, you know, he
Speaker:is a calming, regulating figure for me.
Speaker:And so I could, I didn't act like this, like, I almost
Speaker:had like my social self on, but when I was alone with the kids is
Speaker:when this kind of behavior came out. And so admitting it to
Speaker:your partner or to your sister or your
Speaker:brother or your best friend, that's the whole
Speaker:reason I started working as a parent coach. I want to, I want to help
Speaker:you understand why you act the way you do
Speaker:so that you don't feel shame about it, that you have clarity, that you can
Speaker:forgive yourself and then get tools to change. And I
Speaker:also want to help you understand why your kids act the way they do so
Speaker:that you don't get so stressed by it. And that way you can give that,
Speaker:give them tools to teach themselves how to
Speaker:manage their emotions so they don't become so reactive.
Speaker:But here's your takeaway for the week. When you have the thought
Speaker:you're gonna have it. Oh my God, that was so mean. Okay.
Speaker:When you have that thought, I want you to look at what you actually
Speaker:said or actually did and then look like, okay, were you
Speaker:being firm or harsh? Were you being clear
Speaker:with your limit or were you lecturing? Were you setting a
Speaker:boundary and reinforcing it? Or were you
Speaker:personalizing their behavior? Were you giving a
Speaker:consequence or were you giving a threat? Because here's the thing.
Speaker:If you think that good old fashioned parenting where you teach your kids
Speaker:how to, you know, change their behavior, we teach our
Speaker:kids how to understand why they're behaving in a certain way and then
Speaker:because of their feelings, right? And then giving them new tools to
Speaker:get those needs met, those emotional needs met, or process those negative
Speaker:emotions in better ways. But we have to do that with
Speaker:limits. We have to do that with the connection. We go. It's calm.
Speaker:Connect. Limit set. Correct. Calm is about you. Connect is about
Speaker:helping your child process their negative emotion. Limit set
Speaker:is creating limits and boundaries so your kids know how, what is expected of
Speaker:them and then consequences. Letting your kids fail and learn from
Speaker:their mistakes, that's parenting and that's being the
Speaker:leader in your family. And if you're thinking that parenting is mean,
Speaker:your kids are definitely going to pick up on that energy. They're going to decide,
Speaker:looks like there aren't any grownups around here, so maybe I should be in charge.
Speaker:If you think being a leader is mean, then you're leaving a
Speaker:leadership vacuum. And guess who is going to fill that vacuum?
Speaker:Your kids. So they will decide that they should be in charge,
Speaker:they won't know when your rules matter and when they don't. If you're not
Speaker:strong enough as a leader, you'll feel super frustrated because they're not
Speaker:following your rules and keeping within your boundaries. And then you might slip into
Speaker:meanness in order to get back control. So firmness is
Speaker:very, very valuable. And viewing yourself as the
Speaker:leader and thinking, yes, I can be a leader without being a dick.
Speaker:Right? You don't have to be mean, you don't have to be a dictator. You
Speaker:can just be a leader in your family and you can be a gentle leader,
Speaker:but you are still in charge. So the best thing you can
Speaker:do is to find your firm, strong leadership voice as
Speaker:a mom. Like finding that voice, that strong
Speaker:tone where you're not harsh but you're clear.
Speaker:I think of that as leadership getting clear on what is
Speaker:allowed and what is not allowed in your family and communicating that
Speaker:firmly without being harsh. So I'll leave you with this
Speaker:quote from one of my clients who just said this literally
Speaker:today. She said, so firm limits are the shortcut
Speaker:to the behavior you want without making your kid feel like shit in the
Speaker:process. Yep, that's exactly right. Being firm
Speaker:but not being mean. So that's what you're working on. And if you're
Speaker:being mean, get some help. And if you don't know what being firm
Speaker:is and you don't know how to be a leader in your family, let's talk.
Speaker:You can always check out calmammacoaching.com youm can find out how to book a
Speaker:session with me, Discovery call and get all the support, get on the
Speaker:newsletter if you're not on it, all of that. So calmmamacoaching.com is
Speaker:the place to go. And in the meantime, I just want you to know
Speaker:you've got this mamas. You are the leaders in your family and your
Speaker:kids are lucky to have you. Alright, have a great week.