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“Knowledge is always present, but I may not be present with the knowledge,” says Russell Bishop, renowned personal development leader and founder of Insight Seminars, joining the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to explore the nature of awareness, consciousness, and the power of choice in shaping our reality. Drawing from a lifetime of guiding transformational experiences—including his own journey through adversity, spiritual awakening, and decades at the intersection of personal healing and consciousness research—Russell Bishop lays out a radical but deceptively simple truth: the answers, experiences, and peace we seek are already present; our challenge is learning to tune in.
In a riveting and deeply personal exchange with Meredith Oke, Russell Bishop delves into how we can shift from chasing external symbols—like money, status, or even health—to consciously cultivating the experience and inner states we truly desire. He reveals why most transformation is really “awakening to something that’s always been present,” and shares both practical tools and paradigm-shifting insights that will challenge your ideas about agency, victimhood, healing, and the science of consciousness itself.
Tune in to the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to hear more about why true change is not about adding something new, but remembering and reconnecting with our innate capacity for loving, awareness, and transcendence—plus the latest research at the frontiers of quantum biology and spiritual science. Discover how to author your experience, unlock intuitive knowing, and become present with the knowledge that’s been within you all along.
5 Key Takeaways
- Stop chasing symbols—focus on the quality of experience you truly desire. Ask yourself what feeling you’re really after, and choose to create it now.
- Practice conscious awareness. Shift out of autopilot by regularly asking yourself, “What am I experiencing? Do I want more or less of this?”
- Release attachment to circumstance. Author your day by choosing how you respond in every moment; your experience isn’t defined by your situation.
- Build community with those who uplift you. Surround yourself with people who hold loving, conscious intentions and support your awakening.
- Open to intuitive knowing—ask your heart, your gut, your deeper self what’s next on your path. Let inspiration and inner guidance lead your health journey.
Memorable Quotes
"I began to see the difference between some people who experience their circumstance as their identity, rather than seeing it as just the condition. I realized I can author the quality of my experience independent of what's going on around me."
"Awakening is not about transformation, fixing something that's wrong. All I have to do is awaken to something that's always been present—becoming more of who I already am."
"The soul is present whether we want to call it a soul or not, and it doesn't care what we name it. Something inside each of us wants to awaken, and when we do, the power of choice becomes evident."
Connect with Russell
Website: https://russellbishop.com/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Russell_Bishop
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/russellbishop1/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/russell.bishop.718
Resources Mentioned
Gestalt Therapy Verbatim by Fritz Perls – https://amzn.to/4p2QElL
The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements by Eric Hoffer – https://amzn.to/4pIMcJU
Insight Seminars – https://insightseminars.org/
W. Mitchell (Speaker, Author: "It's Not What Happens to You, It's What You Do About It") – https://wmitchell.com/
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Transcripts
Russell Bishop, welcome to the QVC podcast.
Speaker:Well, thank you. I'm looking forward to what comes forward today.
Speaker:So am I. And thank you so much for that beautiful
Speaker:invocation that you opened our interaction with.
Speaker:I think it really set the tone for opening up
Speaker:a space for the two of us and anyone who cares to
Speaker:join us to. To go on their own personal journey.
Speaker:So I'm just going to start somewhere fun because I was
Speaker:listening to an interview with you, and my daughter was in the room,
Speaker:and I didn't know she was paying attention. And all of a sudden she's 11.
Speaker:All of a sudden she said, you know, mom, that man's
Speaker:really right. Sometimes it is really simple, but it's not
Speaker:so easy.
Speaker:Well, that's good. And she said. And
Speaker:then she went on to say, you know, like, being the
Speaker:seeker, when you're playing what's the
Speaker:game they play at Hogwarts? Anyway, she's like, it's very simple. All you
Speaker:have to do is catch the snitch. But it's not easy.
Speaker:It's not easy, mom, to catch that snitch.
Speaker:So let's just open it up there. Because I think,
Speaker:you know, I think a lot of the time most people listening are on some
Speaker:sort of journey, whether it's a personal health journey or a journey of owning their
Speaker:own business related to health. And I think
Speaker:sometimes we forget. We're like, oh, it's so simple. Why aren't I doing it
Speaker:better? Or we make it complicated when it actually is simple
Speaker:and you've had so much experience with human nature.
Speaker:Help us out.
Speaker:Yeah, it might be helpful if I give a little thumbnail about
Speaker:some of my background, because that informs and
Speaker:has for a very long time the work that I do.
Speaker:I was raised in a Presbyterian family. We had
Speaker:four ministers in the family, and I. So I was at
Speaker:church a lot, but I always had
Speaker:a sort of a conflicting experience.
Speaker:On the one hand, I loved it. On the other hand, I hated it.
Speaker:And later I was able to identify what I loved was
Speaker:actually the music, because the music.
Speaker:In my spiritual practice, we think of two principal connections
Speaker:into spirit, light and
Speaker:sound. And of course, music is sound, and. And almost
Speaker:everybody can relate to music of one kind or another. And
Speaker:for me, it. I. I just opened and I. I kind of soared with
Speaker:the music. But when they started doing all their
Speaker:talk and, you know, blame and all that kind of stuff, I said,
Speaker:well, maybe not so much. So
Speaker:I didn't have the conscious awareness at the time. But
Speaker:that connection into spirit is what I was Experiencing.
Speaker:So also because. Because we have a little bit of a
Speaker:health focus in here. I had 14 surgeries by the
Speaker:time I was 14. Oh my goodness. Yeah, it was kind of
Speaker:interesting. You know, some of them were accidents. I went through
Speaker:two windshields when I was a little kid, you know, way before seat belts were
Speaker:around. And, you know,
Speaker:I. I guess the one way to say that is they had to keep knocking
Speaker:me out. So I was gonna say
Speaker:a lot of. It's a lot of anesthesia in a short
Speaker:period of time on a little body and a little consciousness
Speaker:back then. When they used ether. Oh. Which is
Speaker:like, I thought, oh, my God, they're trying to kill me again.
Speaker:So in any case,
Speaker:my father wound up dying of leukemia when he was 42. I
Speaker:was. Had just turned 19 and
Speaker:a bunch of circumstances not worth going into right now. But it
Speaker:bankrupted the family. And I wound up. I had an
Speaker:old beater of a car, which I lived in for a while. And
Speaker:that was actually grace in
Speaker:many ways, because as challenging as it was, I mean, I had
Speaker:literally $6 to my name. I
Speaker:never felt like I was in trouble.
Speaker:I just felt like, okay, so that's how this is right now. And it
Speaker:was truly experience of being in the now, in
Speaker:the moment. And that began to
Speaker:open up the. The distinct awareness for
Speaker:me that there's a difference between my experience and my ex.
Speaker:Circumstance. And
Speaker:I can author the quality of my
Speaker:experience independent of
Speaker:what's going on circumstantially. And I
Speaker:began to see the difference between some people experience their circumstance
Speaker:as their experience of who they are as
Speaker:opposed to the condition. There's no gap. There's no choice.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly. So
Speaker:about. In 1968, a guy named
Speaker:Fritz Perls, who was considered the creator of
Speaker:Gestalt Therapy, wrote a book called Gestalt Therapy
Speaker:verbatim, which I read. And
Speaker:he used to be a psychoanalyst who
Speaker:did traditional psychoanalysis. So three sessions a week for seven years. He
Speaker:said all of my patients after seven years had well analyzed problems,
Speaker:and now they just had stacks of reasons why they should have the problem.
Speaker:But he said, he discovered that what he said, simple awareness can be
Speaker:curative. So he changed the therapy did
Speaker:with people to basically asking questions. And
Speaker:so what are you experiencing? Well, where did that come from? Well, what choices
Speaker:can you make? What choices did you make? And all of the notion of. He
Speaker:said, responsibility is the ability to respond. So
Speaker:he's helping people notice how they chose responses and
Speaker:how that then created the quality of their experience.
Speaker:Now I was 20 at the time
Speaker:when I read that book. And that put me on
Speaker:a path of saying, I want to work with people in that
Speaker:regard. And when I applied to
Speaker:graduate school, I wrote on the
Speaker:application, give you a window into my arrogance at the
Speaker:time, which may or may not have been diminished much. I said, I'm willing to
Speaker:let you have me, a student as I. As long as I don't have to
Speaker:take any of your courses.
Speaker:This audience will appreciate the wisdom of that. Actually,
Speaker:yeah, it was. Was really kind of interesting because the
Speaker:chairman said, before we throw you out on your ear, what are you
Speaker:talking? And I said, well, you're going to want me to write a null
Speaker:hypothesis for a thesis. He said, yeah, and you're going to
Speaker:want me to prove it at the O5 or 01 level of significance, meaning
Speaker:at.05 only five times out of 100 or oh, one, only one times
Speaker:out of 100, could this have shown up by chance? He said, yes.
Speaker:I said, so if we go through these bookshelves
Speaker:lined with the theses that have been done heretofore,
Speaker:will we not find this one with proof that this one
Speaker:has the opposite proof, and so they can't
Speaker:both be true, can they? And he kind of went, never thought
Speaker:of that. So what you really don't want
Speaker:here. And there's again, the brashness of the time. You're not really
Speaker:interested in what's true. You're just interested what we can put together within
Speaker:some kind of statistical summary.
Speaker:Well, what do you propose? He said, well, rather than having a theory or a
Speaker:null hypothesis, what I want to do is I just want to bring
Speaker:different people into the campus who can work with groups of
Speaker:students for over the course of a year or maybe two, and
Speaker:simply chronicle what changes take place
Speaker:without a theory about what changes should take place or
Speaker:which modality is more effective than the other. So
Speaker:that became my thesis. And he did say, well, you're going to have to take
Speaker:three of our courses. All
Speaker:right, all right, we'll take three. I surrender. Okay, fine. But
Speaker:that then put me on this whole path of
Speaker:beginning to understand that knowledge is always
Speaker:present, but I may not be present with the
Speaker:knowledge. Oh, that's quite
Speaker:profound, Russell. Yeah, well, I. I didn't have the
Speaker:language for that until much later.
Speaker:In fact, someone once said, peace is present, Russell. You just may not be present
Speaker:with the peace. And that's when a bunch of dominoes clicked
Speaker:together. Oh, that's what that's about. And so
Speaker:I wound up doing a lot of Work in the gestalt world,
Speaker:in various kinds of encounter groups and gestalt therapy
Speaker:and national training labs and sensitivity training and, you know, on and
Speaker:on and on, because I was, I was just enthralled with
Speaker:what that process of self discovery was.
Speaker:So shortening this story by quite a bit.
Speaker:By the 70s, I was running a personal development
Speaker:course called Mind Dynamics, which it's something I had
Speaker:personally experienced and found it amazing how much
Speaker:change people made in a couple of days. And in 1978,
Speaker:in concert with my spiritual teacher, whom I wrote a letter
Speaker:saying, hey, you know, I'm sure the people are doing well spiritually in this group,
Speaker:but boy, they can't handle the real world very well.
Speaker:And he called me and I didn't expect the rubber meets the
Speaker:road boom. Exactly. So
Speaker:he said, what did you have in mind? I said, well, I can design a
Speaker:training program, an experiential seminar that would help
Speaker:people translate what they are learning spiritually into
Speaker:how they make choices in the real world and how they create the experience of
Speaker:life. We spoke at length,
Speaker:we got together in person and he said, well, let's try it. And
Speaker:so in January of 78, Insight Seminars was birthed
Speaker:in Santa Monica, California. I thought it was going to be a
Speaker:once in a while kind of thing, but
Speaker:strictly by word of mouth, it wound up as a knife
Speaker:501C3A not for profit. It wound up in 43 countries around the
Speaker:world. And wow. It was all built on
Speaker:this notion of awareness. Right. And
Speaker:so the. And this I think will be really important for those
Speaker:listening here. We subtitled the program we didn't really have.
Speaker:Later on we had an insight 1, 2, 3 and a whole bunch of stuff
Speaker:sort of using an educational model. But
Speaker:we call insight the awakening heart.
Speaker:Not mind, body or emotions, but heart.
Speaker:And using heart as the center of the soul, sort
Speaker:of trying to make us something spiritual, physical.
Speaker:But also the principle of awakening was huge.
Speaker:And so I would say to people, this is going to be two really stupid
Speaker:questions. The first one is obvious. If you are
Speaker:awakening, what were you before?
Speaker:Asleep. Huh. Well, here's the question. No one ever asks.
Speaker:If you were asleep, what were you before that?
Speaker:Awake. Ah,
Speaker:so all this focus on transformation and
Speaker:change is assuming that something is amiss
Speaker:and it has to be changed into something else. But what if
Speaker:it really is? All I have to do is awaken to something that's always been
Speaker:present. Now let me tie that back to
Speaker:church. The word religion comes from the Latin
Speaker:root word ligare, which means to Connect or bind together.
Speaker:And the prefix re means again, so truly
Speaker:what religion means is to reconnect, which begs the question
Speaker:of reconnect to what? And so
Speaker:insight, the awakening heart, becoming more of who you already are.
Speaker:And without being preachy to anyone. We never said
Speaker:you're a soul, you're a spirit. Just people would come into
Speaker:that awareness in their own way
Speaker:and their own language. So I like to say God never named itself,
Speaker:so have at it. I don't care what we. We call this,
Speaker:but let's find it. And the core essence of it will be loving.
Speaker:So that's sort of the background to what's informed my
Speaker:work over these many years. That's so beautiful.
Speaker:That you've made Russell. And I'm really struck. I'm thinking back
Speaker:to how you explained what you wanted to do to
Speaker:the head of the department at graduate school,
Speaker:and it was to observe people without
Speaker:an expectation. Something along those lines. Right. Like you
Speaker:wanted to take away the expectation of having them fit into your
Speaker:hypothesis or not, and just allow them to
Speaker:do what they are, do what they need to do. Which strikes me
Speaker:as an incredibly loving approach
Speaker:where, because I think so many of us often feel,
Speaker:even if it's not articulated, although a lot of the times it is articulated,
Speaker:that we, you know, we're kind of
Speaker:continuously gauging if we're meeting the expectation
Speaker:of somebody or something, whether it's to
Speaker:feel better physically or show up or. So
Speaker:to have the intuition or the knowledge to create a
Speaker:space where people were just free to have their own
Speaker:experience. Like, that's. It seems quite profound.
Speaker:Yeah, it certainly turned out to be that way. I had no
Speaker:idea what it was really going to lead to. But,
Speaker:boy, brain cells fade. This is gray hair.
Speaker:And I was told gray hair is gray matter leaking out. So.
Speaker:Boy, how could I forget his name? A longshore philosopher.
Speaker:Longshoreman and a philosopher. Oh, Eric Hoffer.
Speaker:Exactly. Hoffer. How can I. We. My husband and
Speaker:I are reading his book right now, so I. I heard you reference him in.
Speaker:In one of the interviews I listened to. Yes, exactly. And so
Speaker:the way I paraphrased that was you can never get enough of what you don't
Speaker:really want.
Speaker:And so that's profound.
Speaker:Yes, because we're locked into
Speaker:seeking things. Absolutely.
Speaker:And sort of the.
Speaker:The myth that people tend
Speaker:to lead is that if I only get enough of X,
Speaker:then I'll be happy, or then I'll be full, or
Speaker:then I'll have peace. And so in sort of the
Speaker:Western world, it's well, let's just put off all that stuff
Speaker:because we have to go acquire. But as soon as we've
Speaker:acquired, you know, whether it's a house, there could be a bigger house or
Speaker:car, a better car, a certain amount of money. And so in
Speaker:insight, well, we would. On a big
Speaker:easel pad, two columns. The
Speaker:left column was labeled symbols and the right column was
Speaker:labeled experience. And we say, so what? In
Speaker:symbols, we just say, those are the things
Speaker:that people pursue a lot of in life. What are they? And so
Speaker:people would make their list and we put it up and it always goes things
Speaker:like money, house, job, car. And some people would say
Speaker:relationship. So it's kind of like, you know, the trophy,
Speaker:family, whatever. And we say, so let's take money. Because most people
Speaker:think they want more money. What's the positive experience that you
Speaker:associate with having enough money? If I had enough money, then I
Speaker:could experience. And some people would say, travel. I said, no,
Speaker:no, that's what you could do. So it's not about buying
Speaker:more stuff. What would the inner experience be if you had enough money? And people
Speaker:say, well, eventually, security, peace, peace of mind,
Speaker:you know, fulfillment, freedom. So in other words, what we're after is
Speaker:peace and loving and caring, but we're pursuing this other thing
Speaker:and there's no direct relationship because there's people with tons of money and they're
Speaker:not very secure. And people with tons of money. There are people with
Speaker:no money and they're secure and da, da, da, da, da. So let's take all
Speaker:those definitions out, and if you can focus on the right hand
Speaker:side column of the quality of experience, then the question is,
Speaker:what experience are you looking for? How could you produce it?
Speaker:And then that awakens people to go, oh, oh my God. You mean
Speaker:my experience is my choice? What a possibility.
Speaker:So big stuff. It is big. And so
Speaker:in your experience, what happens when people choose
Speaker:to live from there? So instead of saying, okay, I have to wait until
Speaker:I have the money, I think I'm supposed to have to feel peaceful and
Speaker:free. I can just feel like that right
Speaker:now. And then what do you see happen
Speaker:when, like, do people. Are they able to make that choice? And
Speaker:then what happens? Well, there's.
Speaker:Oh, boy. What happens when people
Speaker:make that conscious choice to.
Speaker:Well, we call it what if we said this isn't anything
Speaker:to believe? None of this just play the what if
Speaker:game. What if it is true that if you focus on
Speaker:experience, life will change
Speaker:for the better? What if it is true that the consequences I'm experience
Speaker:come from the choices I make, not the victimhood.
Speaker:Because Fritz Pearl's really mad at a burant distinction
Speaker:between victim and accountable. And we'd ask, so,
Speaker:you know, if. Let's just take a look at anything in your life.
Speaker:If it's been positive, were you the victim of something out there?
Speaker:Very few people play victim to positive, but if it's negative, yeah, they go
Speaker:victim. So we said, well, let's. Let's try take a look at
Speaker:how are my circumstances a function of my choices? And then
Speaker:even regardless of circumstance. So Viktor Frankl comes to mind.
Speaker:How do you discover that freedom is a choice
Speaker:while in a Nazi internment camp? I mean,
Speaker:wow, talk about consciousness. So if people play what if,
Speaker:Then what usually becomes interesting,
Speaker:the amount of money or the job I have become less important,
Speaker:but easier to have. Right. Because I'm not
Speaker:attached to the thing, because I've already produced the experience inwardly.
Speaker:Right. Qualitatively and quantitatively different.
Speaker:So I move toward
Speaker:the symbols or the signals of what I
Speaker:want more easily when I'm coming
Speaker:from the experiential state that I wanted in the
Speaker:first place as the result of those things. Absolutely. And
Speaker:from a Buddhist perspective, when you're in that space, you approach life without
Speaker:attachment, Right? And it's attachment that
Speaker:usually creates our pain and our suffering and also
Speaker:blocks us from achieving that which we might
Speaker:otherwise achieve, which it also
Speaker:can be interpreted as we might otherwise experience.
Speaker:So we used to ask people these questions all the time that said, so
Speaker:have you ever been at peace? Well, yeah.
Speaker:Well, when you're at peace, did you ever say, wow, I'm at peace?
Speaker:No, because you're too busy being at peace.
Speaker:But when you left the peace is when you noticed you were at peace.
Speaker:And so the question becomes, what did you have to focus on to leave the
Speaker:peace? If you're in a loving
Speaker:relationship with someone, you know, husband, wife, boyfriend,
Speaker:girlfriend, son, daughter, whatever,
Speaker:what did you have to focus on to leave the loving you had for that
Speaker:person? And that's like a
Speaker:bombshell in people's brains to go, oh, my God, yeah, as
Speaker:soon as I focus on this, that shows up.
Speaker:Now it's a thing you're focused on
Speaker:leading you towards the positive experience you want or the negative experience
Speaker:you want. Now the
Speaker:critics of the world go, oh, just more of that
Speaker:positive thinking psychobabble crap.
Speaker:I go, well, no, not really. When I was editorial director at
Speaker:Huffington Post for a while, I wrote a series of articles every Monday.
Speaker:And one I put up was called why Positive Thinking Just
Speaker:Doesn't Work. Now, the
Speaker:Huffington Post pioneered the thing of having real live
Speaker:community and comments. And so people
Speaker:would throw up on some of my articles every month, and then I
Speaker:copy some of their comment and put it in the next month. I go, well,
Speaker:there's a great way to sort of miss the point without,
Speaker:without being condemning just to say. So let's, let's see what,
Speaker:what's missing here. And it's understandable it could be missing because
Speaker:of the programming we've all gone through, so on and so forth. So
Speaker:this was the, the peak of frustration. And when I write these articles or
Speaker:when I write my books, same thing. I sit down in front of the
Speaker:computer, front of my little keyboard, and I go, father, Mother, God, show
Speaker:me what to be written today in ways I can understand and with the clarity
Speaker:to put it down. And I don't have notes, it just comes through and
Speaker:I write it. So that title showed up that
Speaker:morning, why Positive Thinking Just Doesn't Work. And what I said in
Speaker:the article was, of course, positive thinking doesn't work.
Speaker:Positive action works. But how do you take a positive action
Speaker:without a positive thought? And so what positive thinking really
Speaker:means, do you have a positive focus? So I
Speaker:have a good friend who
Speaker:used to be a cable car gripman in San Francisco, and he was riding
Speaker:to the cable car barn one day in the 60s on his motorcycle
Speaker:when a laundry van ran the stoplight. His
Speaker:gas tank exploded. It burned his face off, burned his fingers down
Speaker:to not as. No, no finger nub was longer
Speaker:than my little pinky fingernail. So just
Speaker:mention that. Several years of
Speaker:surgeries. When he finally was recovered,
Speaker:he became the mayor of a small town in Colorado,
Speaker:and he was a pilot at the time.
Speaker:So he was taking off to go to the annual Mayor's conference
Speaker:in D.C. when the plane crashed, and he wound up
Speaker:paralyzed. And so here's a guy
Speaker:paralyzed looks grotesque. No, I mean,
Speaker:he can still pick things up, but with these little nubs.
Speaker:And he writes a book, it's not what happens to you, it's what you do
Speaker:about it. And he said,
Speaker:before I was paralyzed, there were 10,000 things I could do. Now there's
Speaker:9,000. Should I cry about the thousand I lost or celebrate the nine I
Speaker:have? And so the epitome of what
Speaker:you do with a positive focus, no one's saying, oh, it's fantastic.
Speaker:I'm paralyzed and my face is burned off. No, that's the
Speaker:circumstance. Now what do I do with it? So back to how do I
Speaker:author my experience? His name is Mitchell,
Speaker:and He has a website called wmitchell.com and people
Speaker:can watch some incredible videos of this guy. Wow.
Speaker:Yeah. That is a really powerful message to come
Speaker:from someone who experienced not once but twice.
Speaker:Yeah, huge. Just amazing. So to what
Speaker:would you attribute a person's ability
Speaker:to do that? To live the way Mitchell is living?
Speaker:Is it. I mean, your most recent book is Soul Talk. Is.
Speaker:Does Mitchell. Is Mitchell more soul
Speaker:powered than someone who lives in victimhood?
Speaker:What. What are your
Speaker:observations slash thoughts? Yeah, that's great, because
Speaker:we've chatted about that a few times.
Speaker:Not telling any school tales out of school. But he doesn't have a
Speaker:spiritual focus that he would call spiritual
Speaker:because I think he would think more things in religious,
Speaker:you know, traditional religious terminology. But
Speaker:the. The soul is present, whether we want to call it
Speaker:a soul or not. And it doesn't care what we call it because it didn't
Speaker:name itself either.
Speaker:So I think.
Speaker:Something is inside each of us again that
Speaker:wants to awaken. And when we
Speaker:awaken, that's when this power of choice
Speaker:becomes more evident. Now, when a person, as a person
Speaker:awakens, it's not like asleep awake done.
Speaker:No, no, it's awakening. It's an ongoing process.
Speaker:So as I awaken to my next level of
Speaker:consciousness, I can look back and see all the
Speaker:crumbs on that path that I never noticed along
Speaker:the way. Oh, wow. Yeah, I did that back then.
Speaker:Well, if I did that back then, what could I do now? So what's
Speaker:the choice in front of me right now that wants
Speaker:me to awaken to so that I can make the next step in
Speaker:expanding my life? And, you know,
Speaker:we can get into all the. The neuroscience behind all that.
Speaker:There's a lot of theory about what's there and what's my.
Speaker:And what's in my genetic coding and my DNA and all that kind of good
Speaker:stuff. But yet people can learn,
Speaker:even if they don't come cold, sort of naturally predisposed
Speaker:to this. But if I preach at them, you
Speaker:can make a choice and you can do this and da, da, da, da, da.
Speaker:It's just like, oh, get away. But if I simply ask, what are you
Speaker:experiencing? Do you like that? If so, well,
Speaker:great. How would you have even more of it? You don't like it? What could
Speaker:you do to change it? And if we just keep persisting in
Speaker:what could you. How could you people slowly take
Speaker:the blinders off and start to see? And once a
Speaker:person has begun the process of seeing and
Speaker:actualizing what they see, it becomes
Speaker:something that has its own momentum that we can build on.
Speaker:But it really helps like crazy to be in a community.
Speaker:And I don't mean I live in Santa Barbara. Santa Barbara is a place,
Speaker:but not necessarily a community. The community of the people
Speaker:that I hang with who have a like focus.
Speaker:Because if I'm surrounded by people with a like focus and if
Speaker:one of us starts to slip, there's consciousness
Speaker:around us to help support us. Now most
Speaker:people these days are choosing communities that
Speaker:are not all that uplifting, especially when we start
Speaker:looking at the political world. And that
Speaker:becomes a perfect example of, well, what does you have to focus on in the
Speaker:news today in order to ruin your day?
Speaker:And if you didn't open the news that day, would your day have been different?
Speaker:So asking people that kind of stuff, that
Speaker:thing, well now that starts to open some
Speaker:doors or windows to other parts of the universe which
Speaker:are really interesting, which is about the power of thought.
Speaker:So I like to remind people that the universe. Just go back
Speaker:to school. What they tell us the universe is made of it's energy. Can you
Speaker:create energy? No. You can generate it, but you can't
Speaker:create it. Can you destroy energy? No. What can you
Speaker:do with it? Well, you can change its form.
Speaker:Well, what's that mean? So I'll ask people
Speaker:something. Maybe your listeners here would be interested in just
Speaker:matching along the way. Anybody listening to the BBC radio
Speaker:right now? Like dumb question for
Speaker:you. Are you listening to the BBC right now? Meredith? No. Is
Speaker:BBC in the room right now? No. Yes it
Speaker:is. That's the trick.
Speaker:Because what is BBC radio? It's a
Speaker:frequency upon which rides information.
Speaker:So at 9 o' clock the show is X and at 10 o' clock the
Speaker:show is Y. But it's always the same frequency being broadcast.
Speaker:Now if you had a radio in your room, you could
Speaker:attune to the BBC. That's why I say is the BBC in the
Speaker:room? Yeah. The difference
Speaker:is for those kind of frequencies we need an external
Speaker:device called a radio. What if I'm the radio?
Speaker:What if I'm the tv? You ever have pictures come into your mind? You. You
Speaker:wonder where they came from? Yes, great question.
Speaker:Yes. Or a person. And then the next day they call
Speaker:all of that. But see, since the.
Speaker:You know, I don't recall the article. I
Speaker:read it about four or five years ago, somewhere
Speaker:up in one of the Harvard northeast teaching
Speaker:hospitals or universities, someone
Speaker:discovered a device that can
Speaker:detect your thought without any
Speaker:physical contact to your body. So we know
Speaker:we can put probes all over your head. And then we can watch what happens,
Speaker:which part of the brain, and yada, yada, yada. Well, this thing
Speaker:sits outside the body, and it can detect your thoughts. It can't tell
Speaker:you what you're thinking. It can just detect the changes in thought,
Speaker:which is one of the first beginnings to say, hey, wait. This is
Speaker:an energetic process, just like the
Speaker:BBC radio is an energetic process. Just like
Speaker:light is an energy, when you run it through a prism, you see
Speaker:colors that were always there, just not visible. So if
Speaker:we begin to play with it, you go, well, so
Speaker:what is thought then? What is a being? What is aliveness? What is
Speaker:energy? And that's the kind of stuff that becomes very
Speaker:interesting. So during COVID I did a lot of free
Speaker:coaching and counseling, most particularly for families
Speaker:because their kids were getting stressed.
Speaker:And, well, now, how much do you and your partner spend
Speaker:stressing over Covid and the change in the
Speaker:economy? And you talk about it with your kids?
Speaker:No, but are they picking it up anyway? Yes,
Speaker:because stress is just another frequency or another.
Speaker:Maybe like a content writing on the frequency of who you are,
Speaker:and the kid picks up who you are, and then they pick up that content
Speaker:called stress. Now, most parents will
Speaker:relate to the notion of having a young baby. The
Speaker:baby is just fine. And someone walks into the room and the
Speaker:baby gets all distressed. That person leaves, they calm down.
Speaker:Or the inverse baby's all stressed. Certain person walks in, they calm
Speaker:down. Well, why? And maybe it's
Speaker:the quality of energy that that person is holding,
Speaker:and one's easy to flow with, and the other is in conflict.
Speaker:So how do we monitor that? So if I begin to think of
Speaker:myself as the radio receiver, so I can pick
Speaker:up. My teacher used to say, you're not responsible for the thoughts that
Speaker:come into your head, only the ones you hold on to,
Speaker:because thoughts are all over the place. But what if, besides being the receiver,
Speaker:we're also the transmitter? So now
Speaker:what energies am I transmitting into the universe, whether it's with my
Speaker:wife or my family or whether it's out to the broader universe?
Speaker:And what's the amplification effect when a bunch of us start holding the same
Speaker:thought pattern and then other people pick it up and now we're in
Speaker:this kind of thing, which is the predominant pattern today.
Speaker:But I think what's coming onto the planet is a time for greater
Speaker:awakening into loving as the,
Speaker:I guess, preferred way, but perhaps the only way
Speaker:for true life.
Speaker:Yes. I think we're. It feels to me like
Speaker:we're being shown that and that
Speaker:Right now, I feel, it seems to me that a lot of the work
Speaker:we have to do is to disconnect ourselves
Speaker:from whatever would like to
Speaker:be in charge of that frequency and those thought frequencies. You
Speaker:know, I'm thinking of the media and particularly the news,
Speaker:where their. Their business model is to have us in a certain
Speaker:state of fear all of the time. And what I'm
Speaker:hearing you say is that it's up. You know, the.
Speaker:This soul connection is calling us to choose
Speaker:always.
Speaker:Always.
Speaker:And I feel like we are
Speaker:choosing collectively towards the love.
Speaker:And I also feel like each time we make a big leap or
Speaker:even a small leap, the fear
Speaker:ratchets up and the
Speaker:headlines become more intense. This
Speaker:feeling of being enveloped by a manipulation
Speaker:every time you open the computer becomes more
Speaker:intense. But I also feel like then we up level again and
Speaker:choose. Maybe not everyone, but a lot of us like
Speaker:making a different choice.
Speaker:Well, my wife has a sort of
Speaker:a metaphor for how she sees what's going on.
Speaker:She does a lot of work with consciousness and
Speaker:judgments that people hold inside and get locked into their
Speaker:bodies. And then how do you do forgiveness? Not forgiveness
Speaker:of the other, but forgiveness of self. And it's really
Speaker:powerful work. But she. She says the image he has is
Speaker:like from a planetary consciousness level.
Speaker:We're in a birthing process. So as
Speaker:a male, I can only relate to birthing from a
Speaker:theoretic point of view, but from a woman who's gone through it,
Speaker:incredibly messy, painful experience that
Speaker:results in joy most of the time.
Speaker:And so she says she kind of sees that as a
Speaker:conscious birthing out of the planet of a new day of
Speaker:loving. But it has to go through all that painful,
Speaker:perhaps even stressful process.
Speaker:Right? Yes. That feels. Yeah, that feels like an apt
Speaker:metaphor. And the contractions and then the release
Speaker:and we move forward a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker:So you mentioned a few minutes ago about opening
Speaker:doors into some cosmic.
Speaker:Let's call it cosmic science. I know you've
Speaker:been involved in some organizations that are really on the cutting edge of looking at
Speaker:consciousness and where we're headed
Speaker:from that perspective. What are you
Speaker:seeing. Happening?
Speaker:Yeah, it's a really interesting thing that's going on
Speaker:right now because it's a. I've
Speaker:come at this from. There's so many angles to come in on this. So I'm
Speaker:going to come in it from a. Odd one. First,
Speaker:the world of science
Speaker:can pretty much get stuck on itself. Yes.
Speaker:And yet there's a. There's no such thing as the world of science.
Speaker:There's a thing we call science, of which
Speaker:there are many practitioners. But one of the issues that
Speaker:science has dealt with for a very long time is the lack of
Speaker:reproducibility. So
Speaker:just like I told my chairman of the department, well, this
Speaker:thing proved that when this one proved that. And they're different, they're in
Speaker:conflict, direct conflict. So how's that
Speaker:if it's real? So
Speaker:what? A lot of scientists, there's a. I think it's called
Speaker:the center for Open Science, something like that,
Speaker:they're really working to provide a very sound set
Speaker:of protocols that start with. Before you even form
Speaker:your hypothesis. And there's a
Speaker:whole litany of steps that
Speaker:they would like to see people go through, regardless of what area they're
Speaker:looking into. I don't care whether it's vitamins or how do you
Speaker:operate on a liver, whatever it is,
Speaker:that will make it more likely that a true
Speaker:finding can be reproduced. And the reproducibility
Speaker:issue is, you know, people can run an experiment, Somebody else
Speaker:runs the exact same experiment with the same protocol and get a different result.
Speaker:So what's that about, you know? Well, some of it is about
Speaker:maybe the. The actual protocols were, were not
Speaker:identical. So they're trying to eliminate one of those
Speaker:variables. Now, we all know this thing called the observer phenomena.
Speaker:So maybe the issue is that it's. It's not
Speaker:what's happening, apparently, but it's the impact
Speaker:that the observer has because, remember, it's thought and energy
Speaker:that then disrupts something. So
Speaker:way back, I went to school at University of
Speaker:California at Davis, and Charlie Tart was a professor
Speaker:there who's one of the early people looking into
Speaker:various paranormal phenomena. And I got
Speaker:to work with them, and we did some very interesting experiments and all the things
Speaker:about, you know, remote viewing. And then we looked at
Speaker:energetic transfer between plants. Like you could hook up
Speaker:a plant to
Speaker:gsr. I guess it was a galvanomic spins response
Speaker:meter. If you took a cutting from the plant and grew
Speaker:it in another room, you could take a pair of
Speaker:scissors and threaten the plant in room B. And the mother
Speaker:plant in room A would have a. A
Speaker:measurable spike take place. And those are
Speaker:some early things we were looking at. What's the nature of energy and how does
Speaker:it communicate? And if it communicates from a plant to a
Speaker:plant, what's that about?
Speaker:So that's still the big question. What's that about? So there's a lot
Speaker:of work going on, and it's.
Speaker:Oh, let's see, what would be a good.
Speaker:I don't Know what the right metaphor is? It's an
Speaker:amazingly conflicted world because there's people out there
Speaker:who are doing their best to study
Speaker:and observe. Remember, key word
Speaker:observe. What truth might be
Speaker:about any of these things, whether it's remote viewing or absent healing or
Speaker:just the nature of consciousness, the nature of reality, any of this kind of
Speaker:stuff. And then there's, there are those out
Speaker:there who want to become famous because of it, and those
Speaker:who want to then generate, how many grants can they get and how much
Speaker:money? And one of
Speaker:the, I'm not going to be naming any names here for
Speaker:obvious reasons, but there's some pretty big names out there that
Speaker:seem to be engaging
Speaker:in something called P hacking. Have you heard that term?
Speaker:No. P for probability.
Speaker:So you set up your null hypothesis. You, you say if
Speaker:this happens, it's, then it's less than, it's a P
Speaker:of O1, you know, less than one time out of a hundred.
Speaker:So they don't get the result they wanted. So then they start
Speaker:running the data to see how it can be manipulated so they can
Speaker:hack the P. And now all of a sudden the study gets
Speaker:produced and nobody can begin to reproduce it
Speaker:because it didn't actually happen. So now you got
Speaker:the problem of the people who are trying to do something and they don't get
Speaker:what they thought, then they scratch their head and go, hmm, so I wonder what
Speaker:it is. And those who go, I didn't get what I want, how can I
Speaker:make it look like I did? And so that creates
Speaker:conflict in the world of the scientific community.
Speaker:So there's a number of folks out there looking
Speaker:to do really high quality works
Speaker:because they all know, we all know
Speaker:intuitively that this thing about it's all energy is real,
Speaker:but we don't have the tools. I keep telling the folks that I
Speaker:work with what would happen if you
Speaker:ask Spirit this question.
Speaker:What do we need that we don't have? And the
Speaker:parallel question, what do we have that we don't need? So what's in the
Speaker:way? And well, why would you ask Spirit? Well, because spirit is
Speaker:the source of all energy.
Speaker:So maybe if we could go into that consciousness, we could precipitate
Speaker:down the next step or the next thing that we
Speaker:need in order to move these things along. Now,
Speaker:I don't know if I.
Speaker:Thought I had one in here. Well,
Speaker:I don't. You will recognize
Speaker:this. Yes, we have. This is a high tech science tool.
Speaker:Paperclip. Yeah. Okay. And.
Speaker:I haven't done it a long time, but I would use the larger size
Speaker:paperclip. I take a piece of thread about
Speaker:24 inches long, tie it to one end, and then have a person
Speaker:just dangle it like a pendulum while balancing their elbow. Okay, now
Speaker:I want you to visualize the paperclip swinging back and forth, left to
Speaker:right, and pretty soon it's going, and then north, south, then
Speaker:in a circle. Now visualize it changing. And almost everybody
Speaker:can do that. And I was doing this for a group of
Speaker:MDs up at,
Speaker:I forget Mass Eye and Ear, Mass General, one of those
Speaker:Boston area leading hospital groups.
Speaker:They were primarily neuroscientists and
Speaker:endocrinologists. And those are two groups who really
Speaker:know that thought changes what happens in the body.
Speaker:So this thing is going like this, and there's one neuroscientist in the back. This
Speaker:is back like around 1980. 81 just goes, this is
Speaker:all. And I said, oh, interesting. What
Speaker:do you mean? He says, you want me to think that my mind is
Speaker:making the paperclip move? I said, that's interesting. Did I say that? He said,
Speaker:no, but this is still. I said, why? Well,
Speaker:what's happening is that I'm making little micro movements with
Speaker:my hand or fingers. And because of the length of the string, it's amplified
Speaker:and it looks bigger down here, but it's all because of movement up here.
Speaker:I said, well, that's really interesting. And so you think it's,
Speaker:huh? He goes, yes. I said, so let me ask you this.
Speaker:In order for that paper gut to move, even if it's just micro movements up
Speaker:here, did you have to engage a neuromuscular pathway for that to happen?
Speaker:Yeah. Well, did you know which neuromuscular pathway
Speaker:you engaged? No. Did you know how
Speaker:you engaged it? No.
Speaker:And yet it was engaged. And
Speaker:he kind of sat there dumbfounded. And I said, so what if
Speaker:the real key is how you hold the focus and
Speaker:inside your body already knows how to make that happen? And it
Speaker:sure is a little movement up here. Not disputing that.
Speaker:But the question is, did you have to know the
Speaker:particulars or was the result enough
Speaker:to allow the particulars to take place? He still was scratching
Speaker:his head. And I said, so you deal with people
Speaker:who are paraplegic? Yeah. He
Speaker:said, so what's the problem? Is it neuromuscular?
Speaker:I mean, muscular, skeletal? No, it's neuromuscular. What's that mean? Well, below
Speaker:the level of entry, no information is getting out.
Speaker:So, I mean, this is like 80, 81, 82 somewhere. And I just said,
Speaker:well, what if you could take some little titanium wires and stick it into the
Speaker:motor control center of the brain and hardwire it down to their muscles. Could you,
Speaker:could they think about their arm moving and get the signal out there and have
Speaker:it move because it was hardwired. Well, guess
Speaker:what? That's what's happening today in the world
Speaker:of prosthesis
Speaker:as well as people are. I mean, there's, there's images you can see on
Speaker:the Internet of a guy who's paralyzed picking up his baby
Speaker:by thinking about it. So we're only.
Speaker:This is like the dark ages of what we're learning about. What's the
Speaker:nature of energy and thought and how do you
Speaker:both work with it as it is and harness it for whatever might
Speaker:be. So sometimes these things
Speaker:start out there in the world of that's impossible and
Speaker:become every day sooner or later.
Speaker:Yes. And that's such a good example with the paperclip
Speaker:because. Yeah, it was our thought.
Speaker:Our thought imaged the result and the.
Speaker:Without our conscious intervention on the,
Speaker:on the how we just got the result. Yeah.
Speaker:Well, you know, it's interesting that that kind of thinking has been known in the
Speaker:world of sport for a very long time. Yeah.
Speaker:You know, high end athletes, whether or gymnasts or skiers or
Speaker:golfers or whatever, visualize
Speaker:the outcome and their body knows how to
Speaker:produce it. But when you get outside of the world of sport, people go,
Speaker:yeah, well that worked over there, but that won't work over here. Oh,
Speaker:okay. Henry Ford famously said it does not. Whether you believe, whether
Speaker:you can or you cannot, you're probably right. Right.
Speaker:So. So you're engaged and connected to some,
Speaker:you know, to some people, some scientists who are
Speaker:very curious and engaged in these
Speaker:types, in this type of research. So
Speaker:where's it headed? And if you could, you know, and what are
Speaker:your hypotheses? Even if they haven't, we haven't don't have the
Speaker:mechanisms to, to show it.
Speaker:Well, it's
Speaker:as I mentioned before, you know, these energies and the
Speaker:simple ones are things like light. You shine a beacon
Speaker:beam of light through a prism and you see all the colors that are resonant
Speaker:within it. But even that's not true.
Speaker:We see the colors that our eyes are capable of perceiving.
Speaker:And yet animals can perceive colors outside what we can perceive.
Speaker:And the same thing is with sound. You know, we can hear within a
Speaker:certain range. You know, men hear a certain range, women hear a certain range.
Speaker:They're not the same. And then bring a dog around or
Speaker:a cat or anything else and there's all kinds of sounds that we
Speaker:don't. So because we don't notice it, we think it doesn't exist.
Speaker:So the basic theory here is there's a whole lot to be discovered around
Speaker:what exists that we do not yet know how to present perceive.
Speaker:And then if we can learn it,
Speaker:you know, there's,
Speaker:let's see, where do we go with this?
Speaker:One area of research that's going on is about telepathy
Speaker:and this whole thing about, well, can you hold a thought, can it be
Speaker:detected by another person? And then you have this whole thing about,
Speaker:oh, can you influence an electron flow with thought?
Speaker:It's sort of a classic experiment which then
Speaker:produces some baffling results. But it's only
Speaker:baffling because we don't have a framework to understand it yet. So
Speaker:I think the main thing that's going on right now is the understanding
Speaker:is that we only understand a tiny bit.
Speaker:And yet the things we know just enough
Speaker:to either shut us down going, well, why bother? Or
Speaker:enough to awaken us and enliven us and go, oh my God,
Speaker:what's really possible here? So it's all around what's really possible
Speaker:and beyond possible. See,
Speaker:in this world, when you get into the scientific community
Speaker:and conventions and meetings, they talk about
Speaker:paranormal, abnormal things like that. And I
Speaker:go, so we're starting with a thought assumption
Speaker:that it's not normal, right?
Speaker:So if you already know the observer effect and you, you, you come
Speaker:in going, it's, this is not normal. Do you expect to find
Speaker:it? No, we expect not to find it, except rarely.
Speaker:But what if it's entirely normal?
Speaker:Just like the little baby who can sense who just walked in the room and
Speaker:then later we have to train it out of them. Stop being so sensitive.
Speaker:Oh, okay, I'll shut off. Sensitive
Speaker:doesn't mean sensitive isn't there now it just shows up in another
Speaker:way that shows up as a internalized
Speaker:self judgment or it
Speaker:internalizes as resentment which eventually bubbles out
Speaker:in terms of anger. But all it was was I sensed something,
Speaker:but I didn't know enough about what I was sensing to
Speaker:either work with it, change it, or get out of
Speaker:it. So there's a, I mean the, the
Speaker:implications for everyday life are huge.
Speaker:Yes. And it's like the way that you're
Speaker:describing the limitations that we put on
Speaker:science or that the scientific community puts on
Speaker:itself are mirrored in the
Speaker:limitations that we put on our, on our own energies.
Speaker:I'm sort of hearing is where we, we may have
Speaker:these expanded capacities if we did Ask Spirit what was
Speaker:needed instead of trying to figure out how to iterate the
Speaker:machine that we have to the machine that we could to the next version of
Speaker:it. If we did, ask Spirit, what would that open up in
Speaker:terms of our capacity? Well,
Speaker:there's no way to validate what I'm about to tell you anymore
Speaker:because he's dead. But George
Speaker:Washington Carver may be a name that, you know, he was a black
Speaker:botanist just after the Civil War.
Speaker:I mean, he was born for that. But so He's a black
Speaker:PhD botanist in, I think
Speaker:Georgia, maybe it was Alabama somewhere down there. And all of these
Speaker:now, now freed slaves had their land,
Speaker:but the primary crop that they knew was not cotton, it was
Speaker:peanuts. And so now all of a sudden,
Speaker:all kinds of people are growing peanuts.
Speaker:So in the world of the market, you know, capitalist forces
Speaker:now supply is way more than demand. So what happens to the
Speaker:price of peanuts? It crashes. So now everyone's producing all these
Speaker:peanuts they can't do anything with. And
Speaker:I read that George Washington Carver went out into
Speaker:the field of peanuts, a field of peanuts,
Speaker:sat down with the peanuts, meditated
Speaker:and asked the peanuts, tell me what to do with you.
Speaker:And he came up with, I think the number was 114 different uses
Speaker:for peanuts. You could use it for dyes, you could make
Speaker:cloth out of them, out of the shells. I mean, it goes on and on
Speaker:and on. But the. He said the peanuts told him what to
Speaker:do. And that radically transformed the economy for
Speaker:those now newly freed slaves.
Speaker:I love that. But it might be,
Speaker:I mean, it could possibly be back
Speaker:to where we started. That simple, maybe not easy for some of
Speaker:us, but that simple is that if we're surrounded by all
Speaker:this information and all this energy and we're only limited to
Speaker:by the, you know, ability of our, what we think of
Speaker:as our five senses, it could just be that, that all the
Speaker:information, all the piece, all the everything, all the knowledge is
Speaker:just sitting there waiting for us. Well, it's open
Speaker:to it and it's all. What's really interesting, it's all
Speaker:inside of us too, because it's all energy.
Speaker:So, you know, in insight,
Speaker:we created something called a heart chart. And outside
Speaker:the heart we had opinions which were thinking and beliefs
Speaker:and all the mental stuff. And the other side of the chart we had
Speaker:the emotional content and what we feel. Well, I
Speaker:feel this is true is different from it's true. And I think it's true. It's
Speaker:different from it's true. But in the heart center we said that's A
Speaker:center of natural knowing. And if you can learn how to access your heart. And
Speaker:obviously we didn't mean the physical organization, but another
Speaker:place, all kinds of information becomes available
Speaker:to us, but we have to become available to it.
Speaker:So everybody has what I. I
Speaker:call an internal bell just to create a metaphor
Speaker:for it. And people have heard the phrase, well, that rings
Speaker:true. So have you ever had a conversation
Speaker:with somebody and your internal bell just rings
Speaker:and you just know it's true? And you ever had a conversation
Speaker:and the bell goes thud, because
Speaker:it ain't true? So we know that.
Speaker:We know we have the ability to know, which
Speaker:we shut down because then we want to run it all
Speaker:through this brain. We already know that there's bundles of
Speaker:neurons in the heart, just like we knew a few years before that
Speaker:there's bundles of neurons in the gut. When you say, my gut told me. Yeah,
Speaker:it did. You just have to learn to listen to it. Well,
Speaker:I knew in my heart. Well, you did, but can you
Speaker:expand that to include more and more? So
Speaker:we usually just train people out of it. Oh, be logical.
Speaker:Be rational. I love the word rational. Lies. To
Speaker:frame it as two words, rational and lies.
Speaker:So we can tell ourselves rational lies. And doesn't change what's true, it just
Speaker:change our experience of it. So my
Speaker:teacher, you know, he would not
Speaker:say he taught meditation, he taught what he called spiritual exercises.
Speaker:And he said, so, you know, if you want to get strong physically, what do
Speaker:you. Do you exercise physically? Well, if you wanted to get
Speaker:strong spiritually, you might want to do spiritual exercises.
Speaker:So if we wanted to develop these other
Speaker:abilities which are native within us. So that's the theory. It's
Speaker:native within everybody. Well, then what would you do to strengthen
Speaker:those? So first we have to detect them just
Speaker:to understand if it's even there.
Speaker:But we all know intuitively, for most of us, it is there,
Speaker:unless we've really had that beaten heart out of us. But
Speaker:even the most jaded person has had that sense they knew
Speaker:something. They had the intuition. Well, yeah. So what would it
Speaker:do to develop that? And if you look at the word intuition, it's really
Speaker:incredible that I like to look at words from their original
Speaker:root meaning. And the Latin
Speaker:vulgate, Latin root for intuition, was intuire, which meant
Speaker:to look at. Isn't that amazing?
Speaker:Intuition means simply to look. And my
Speaker:spiritual teacher told me years and years ago I was about to go in for
Speaker:a procedure called radial keratotomy, which is they use a
Speaker:scalp and put little slits like bicycle spokes around your
Speaker:iris in the cornea, and it flattened the lens so you
Speaker:could see. I was basically coke bottle blind at the time.
Speaker:He said, so, Russell, the source of the. I mean, the
Speaker:problem is now physical, meaning your eyes, but the source
Speaker:isn't. I said, what do you mean? He says, well, you've been straining for
Speaker:years to see things with your physical eyes that can only be seen with your
Speaker:spiritual eyes.
Speaker:So if we take spiritual eyes and spiritual ears, go inside,
Speaker:what do I need to see? Show me that which I'm not yet.
Speaker:And sometimes we've all had things show up inwardly.
Speaker:So can. Can that. Is that an actual
Speaker:muscle that can be trained? Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, it is. So
Speaker:I think we're going to see a lot more of that. I love
Speaker:that. I think so. And it's. It's.
Speaker:Yeah, I love that idea of practicing. Just
Speaker:practicing it. Ask. And
Speaker:I, you know, a lot of my audience is on a health journey, as you
Speaker:know, we all are in some capacity, I guess, and it's just
Speaker:opening up to what. What's next? What. What's
Speaker:next on the path, not trying to hit a specific destination.
Speaker:Well, yeah, you know, years and years ago, I saw
Speaker:a doctor who was.
Speaker:I was there for general health interest and curiosity. But he
Speaker:did a lot of work with people with cancers and whatnot. He says, you know,
Speaker:people will come in and they'll see me and they'll say I was just fine.
Speaker:And then all of a sudden. And he said, no, this was
Speaker:at least 12 to 14 years in the making,
Speaker:so. Well, yeah, so
Speaker:now you have a. An issue. Like, as my eyesight
Speaker:deteriorated, there was actually a physical problem with the eyes, which they could
Speaker:correct, but the source wasn't.
Speaker:So then the question is, well, now how do I move forward with that in
Speaker:this or any other area? And something I like to do for
Speaker:anybody. Imagine I've got a couple hundred
Speaker:people in a room to a couple thousand people in the room, and I say,
Speaker:take a hand and make a fist. The hardest, tightest
Speaker:squeezing as fist you can make. How's it feel?
Speaker:Not so good. Is this good hand good for anything? Well,
Speaker:yeah, only a couple things. And if you look
Speaker:at the top of your hand. Yeah. You can probably even see it
Speaker:on the screen. You'll see that there's parts would have gone all white
Speaker:where the blood is left, and there's parts that are. Now you can
Speaker:be a black person, but keep squeezing for a second.
Speaker:And as you keep squeezing, the blood is pooling up, and pretty soon that
Speaker:hand starts to go Numb. Now, if you take the other hand and make a
Speaker:hard squeezing fist, too, then pretty soon you got all kinds
Speaker:of things. And this is an image of resistance only. What, am I
Speaker:resisting my own self. And if a person
Speaker:squeezes down inside going, I hate this, or I
Speaker:resent them, or. Yeah. And you hold, ah,
Speaker:which is all this stuff going on in the political, social world
Speaker:right now. They're squeezing on their own cells and the blood's pooling up. They go,
Speaker:no, numb inside. And the only thing they're left with is the ability to react.
Speaker:Now, if you take those two hands, which we've only been squeezing for
Speaker:less than a minute, count of three, I want you to
Speaker:take one hand and shoot it open and the other hand open
Speaker:as slowly as you possibly can. Okay? Okay.
Speaker:Count of three. 1, 2,
Speaker:3. How did the hand feel that
Speaker:you shot? Open. Tingly. And it
Speaker:had a little beat up, but it was. And now it's fine. What's
Speaker:the other hand like? Going really, really slow. It feels
Speaker:still really, really tight. And it's not very fluid, is it?
Speaker:No. And so the question becomes,
Speaker:if you find yourself stuck someplace, do you find yourself in resistance? You find
Speaker:yourself in pain? Did you want to shoot it open
Speaker:or just go? Until finally you just go, oh, that feels fine.
Speaker:And you're not in a very useful hand position. Now, it's just a
Speaker:matter of metaphor, but the question might be, if
Speaker:I'm dealing with a medical issue, what
Speaker:am I resisting inside?
Speaker:Am I resisting some part of me? Am I resisting some part of you?
Speaker:Is it a thought? What am I holding inside that's
Speaker:constricting and blocking the flow? Now, if
Speaker:you get it early enough, you know, like a headache. What do people
Speaker:do with headaches? Pop aspirins or Advil or something?
Speaker:Well, did the headache show up because it
Speaker:wanted to be killed, or was it there to say, something's going
Speaker:on, let's pay attention? And what's usually going on is stress.
Speaker:And we squeeze down. We squeeze across here.
Speaker:Blocks the constrict. It constricts the flow of blood. The capillaries don't get
Speaker:enough, and then you have a headache. Now, not all
Speaker:headaches are from that, but many are. So what if
Speaker:you said, I just may need to go in and relax? What tension am
Speaker:I holding? Is it in my tmj? Is it, you know, is it up
Speaker:here? You know, what's the tension? What am I
Speaker:resisting? What am I judging? And if you can find the thing you're resisting
Speaker:or judging, maybe then you can go, oh, so I release
Speaker:that. I forgive myself for judging.
Speaker:Judging what? Well, I start out judging you,
Speaker:but if the thing I've been talking about is true, we all are part of
Speaker:the same divine energy. As soon as I judge you, I've judged the divine
Speaker:without thinking about it. As soon as I judge the divine, guess
Speaker:what? I'm connected to the divine. So now I've judged myself as well. And
Speaker:I cut myself off from the divine flow. So just like you
Speaker:can cut yourself off from the blood flow, you can cut yourself off from the
Speaker:divine flow. Not that the divine stopped flowing. I just
Speaker:cut myself off from experiencing it. So the sooner I can find where
Speaker:I cut off and release, the more I can move back into
Speaker:flow again, which is then part of the
Speaker:awakening process. But now we have a dilemma.
Speaker:I was running a program with my teacher. We were both
Speaker:co facilitating and on a break. He said, russell, you seem so
Speaker:frustrated. I said, yeah, they're so slow to wake up. He said,
Speaker:oh, Russell, if you had a little baby and it was
Speaker:asleep, would you shake it? Say, wake up, grow
Speaker:faster? No, because the sleep is part of the
Speaker:growth process. So with a human and consciousness.
Speaker:Yeah. Bingo. Yeah. We may receive something and
Speaker:we may have to sleep on it for a while, because in the
Speaker:internal state that never sleeps, that's where
Speaker:we have a greater openness for the spiritual
Speaker:flow of education, if you will, that awakens us and then we can go,
Speaker:oh, now I'm ready for the next phase. So we do
Speaker:have these rhythms, just like the heart has an up and a
Speaker:down, open and a close, a breath in and a breath out.
Speaker:Well, let's let all that happen. And then
Speaker:perhaps the most interesting part of this, in my way, thinking about it, I used
Speaker:to do the work I call. I do the work. The work I used to
Speaker:call transformation. And everyone likes transformation.
Speaker:And I do too, at one level. But the word, if you look it up
Speaker:in a dictionary, means a change in form or appearance.
Speaker:Okay? So I say, well, let's pretend I had an
Speaker:old, old Volkswagen, but I always wanted a Ferrari.
Speaker:You can go online and you can buy a Ferrari car kit. So you get
Speaker:the body and it's literally. You can literally do this. And it's
Speaker:designed to go over the frame of a Volkswagen.
Speaker:Now the question is, do I have a Ferrari? No. But I did
Speaker:transform the Volkswagen because it changed the former
Speaker:appearance. Transmutation
Speaker:is the same thing. It says it's a change in form or appearance to a
Speaker:higher order of energy. Well, now we're progressing
Speaker:but we still just change the form or appearance, although the energetic flow
Speaker:is different. So imagine you put a different grade of
Speaker:gasoline or something inside of your Ferrari
Speaker:Volkswagen. But the real thing we're after is transcendence.
Speaker:And to transcend something means to rise above, especially over
Speaker:the negative. And so how do we learn to
Speaker:transcend the apparent limitations of my mind, my
Speaker:emotions, what's going on in the world, so I can create the
Speaker:qualitative experience that rises above and stay loving?
Speaker:Nelson Mandela, you know,
Speaker:all these people who've shown us what it means to be loving in the
Speaker:presence of oppression so we
Speaker:don't have to be oppressed in the presence of
Speaker:oppression. Although from the outside it will look that way.
Speaker:But can I still be free? So we can use all these as
Speaker:inspirations. And inspiration. I mean, I have so many of these things. Inspiration
Speaker:comes from a Latin word, inspirari, which means to be breathed by
Speaker:spirit. It's not something
Speaker:that happens to me from the outside. It's the
Speaker:spirit breathes me and I arise in its
Speaker:awakening. So.
Speaker:So we'll step into that.
Speaker:Into being breathed. Yeah.
Speaker:Russell, thank you so much for your time today.
Speaker:This has been beautiful. And
Speaker:I was going to say transformative. I'll say
Speaker:transcendent. That's okay. See, the challenge
Speaker:is, you know, we need the words to communicate. Yeah. But
Speaker:we can use it to communicate to a higher level
Speaker:so I don't have to say to somebody, oh, wrong word.
Speaker:Just go. Okay, so what I think what you may be meaning is the ability
Speaker:to expand in the presence of this. Oh, yeah, that's good. Fine,
Speaker:we'll do that. Yeah.
Speaker:And that's what I mentioned at a before, but I do want to end on
Speaker:it as well, is your approach of there is a real
Speaker:space of allowing in your presence,
Speaker:which I think from the perspective
Speaker:of the observer, effect has
Speaker:an extremely loving resonance
Speaker:for whomever is getting observed
Speaker:by you. So thank you for bringing that.
Speaker:Bringing that energy to it. It's very profound and important.
Speaker:Yeah. Well, lest anyone be
Speaker:misinformed, I am not the model of loving
Speaker:kindness. We always teach the thing we most need
Speaker:to learn. Yes. No, I will
Speaker:not hold you to that standard all of the time, but thank you.
Speaker:You certainly are able to embody it,
Speaker:which is most appreciated. Well,
Speaker:thank you. Your loving essence
Speaker:radiates beautifully. Thank you, Russell. Thank
Speaker:you for being here.
