We've all been there - as expats, we have questions about what we need to know to pay taxes in a new country, and the last thing we want is to find conflicting information on the Internet!
Well, worry no longer! In this episode I'm diving into the top five tax tips you need to know if you're planning a move to Ireland. Whether you're returning home or relocating for the first time, understanding the tax landscape can save you time, money, and stress.
I'll cover everything from residency status to navigating Ireland's tax system. If you're thinking about your move or getting ready to manage your finances, this episode will be a great start for you!
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Welcome to tax bytes for expats. The top tax tips
Speaker:you want to know as an expat, the podcast is here to help
Speaker:answer the common queries and concerns expats have when moving to
Speaker:or from Ireland. Complex taxes explained
Speaker:simply, we'll focus on the irish and international
Speaker:tax issues to be aware of to ensure you save time,
Speaker:money and stress.
Speaker:Hi everyone, hope you're well. Welcome to this episode of
Speaker:tax fights for xpaths. Thanks to all the new
Speaker:listeners. We've had joy in recent months, and for the
Speaker:people who frequently on calls tell me that they listen, it's great to
Speaker:hear that we're getting people joining and listening, and please feel
Speaker:free to contact us and let us know what topics you'd like us to talk
Speaker:about today. I want to talk about the five top
Speaker:tips to think about if you're planning your move to
Speaker:Ireland in the context of your taxes. We've covered
Speaker:each of these things throughout all the episodes, but I thought it might be good
Speaker:to have a brief episode for people to take away
Speaker:five things I'd like them to think about in advance of their
Speaker:move. So just me, as you've probably gathered,
Speaker:and we'll jump straight in. The first one would be around
Speaker:understanding your tax residency status. So we've
Speaker:spoken about this previously. Compared to some of the rules that we see in other
Speaker:jurisdictions, the irish tax residency rules are relatively straightforward.
Speaker:As a reminder for anybody who hasn't heard us talk about it
Speaker:before, it's a days test. We're looking to count the
Speaker:number of days that you have in Ireland in a calendar year. If you exceed
Speaker:a certain number of days, you're a tax resident. It's quite straightforward in that
Speaker:regard. The tests that we're using or measuring
Speaker:are 183 days in a calendar year
Speaker:or 280 days over the course of two years. So
Speaker:those two points are ones to be aware of. And
Speaker:by using those tests, you can answer the question, am I an irish
Speaker:tax resident in the year I move? And if not, when will I become
Speaker:one? In addition to that, under the tip of know
Speaker:your residency status, I always think it's useful to
Speaker:understand your tax residency position in the country that you're
Speaker:leaving. So this probably feeds
Speaker:into the second tip, which is consider having
Speaker:advice or a tax return preparer in both
Speaker:countries, particularly in the year you move. Why do I
Speaker:say that? Well, if we think about some of the countries
Speaker:where we have clients come to us from to
Speaker:list them, you know, the US, Canada, Australia, UK
Speaker:to name but a few, some of those jurisdictions
Speaker:have what are called exit taxes, so they can,
Speaker:in certain circumstances, not all impose a tax
Speaker:on an individual when they're leaving the jurisdiction. It's
Speaker:not in every case, but it's always good to have a
Speaker:conversation with the tax advisor when you're planning to leave a
Speaker:country to check whether or not there's any implications in
Speaker:terms of income or assets you have or any actions that they'd like you
Speaker:to take. So the second tip is get two tax return preparers,
Speaker:one for the country you're leaving and one for the country you're arriving
Speaker:in. Because, as we've mentioned many times on
Speaker:this podcast, the value in tax advice
Speaker:is generally much greater if taken in
Speaker:advance. In other words, take advice when planning
Speaker:and avoid, if possible, taking it after the fact.
Speaker:That's not to say there is no value to advice taken after the fact. It's
Speaker:just generally easier for us to provide solid advice before you
Speaker:move. So that's the second tip. Get two tax return preparers on that
Speaker:point. We're frequently asked and contacted and asked,
Speaker:can you do my us and irish return? Can you do my irish and my
Speaker:UK return? Can you do my irish and insert other
Speaker:country here return? The answer is no. And the
Speaker:reason for that is we are chartered tax
Speaker:advisors. We are registered with the Institute of Tax in Ireland. We are chartered
Speaker:accountants and practicing members of the Institute of Chartered
Speaker:Accountants in Ireland. Both those bodies regulate us
Speaker:and they have CPD requirements. That's continuing professional
Speaker:development for anyone who's not familiar with the acronym charge. Fees have
Speaker:obligations and many, many different aspects
Speaker:to, I suppose, how we operate as
Speaker:practitioners. And what's common in
Speaker:practice in Ireland is, and globally, not just in Ireland,
Speaker:is that it's very, very rare to have a tax advisor who
Speaker:is qualified and able to advise you on two jurisdictions at the
Speaker:same time. And that's across the board. Whether you go from
Speaker:the big four accountants to your local accountant on the
Speaker:street, it's just very rare. So this is a common
Speaker:misconception that there is people out there who do both. They may
Speaker:exist, they are rare in practice, but that doesn't mean that we can't
Speaker:solve the problem, because what's the problem? The problem is that you have an
Speaker:obligation to file a return in Ireland. You have an obligation to file a tax
Speaker:return in, for example, the US, Australia and UK.
Speaker:Spain, Italy, Portugal, Netherlands,
Speaker:Canada. I'm listing places where we have a solid
Speaker:referral network. So my point is this. A good advisor will be able
Speaker:to connect you with somebody in the other location where you have a requirement, they'll
Speaker:be able to work with that person. So you should be able to, as a,
Speaker:as a client, step back from the process and let the two advisors do their
Speaker:thing, work together, make your life easier, and do what they
Speaker:are qualified to do, which is to deal with the questions, obviously with the
Speaker:expertise of understanding the international angle in their own
Speaker:jurisdiction. Third tip, know your tax domicile.
Speaker:And if you don't know, speak to somebody who can give you advice on it.
Speaker:Good, solid advice. Tax domicile, from an irish perspective,
Speaker:is such an important concept, and it's so frequently misunderstood
Speaker:by clients. Why do we focus on it so much? Well,
Speaker:in Ireland, there's a special basis of taxation. It's known as the
Speaker:remittance basis of tax. Very simply, it means that
Speaker:if you are non irish domiciled, you are not
Speaker:required to pay tax in Ireland on foreign income
Speaker:or foreign gains until you bring the income or gains to
Speaker:Ireland. So the implications of this vary
Speaker:depending on the taxpayer's profile. But it's such a
Speaker:useful thing to understand and take advantage of, and you can't do
Speaker:that until you're clear on your tax domicile. So speak to
Speaker:a tax advisor, get advice on your tax domicile,
Speaker:and please resist the urge to self assess your domicile position,
Speaker:because particularly if your situation is slightly complex, it can
Speaker:be quite difficult to self assess correctly
Speaker:without expert input. The third
Speaker:tip is understand the tax system. So a
Speaker:couple of small points that might be helpful for anybody who's listening, whether you're
Speaker:a returning irish person or somebody coming to live in Ireland for the first
Speaker:time. Few small points about our tax system. It's calendar year.
Speaker:So you're moving from maybe an April deadline in the UK,
Speaker:a June deadline in the Australia
Speaker:December deadline, or year end. I mean, in the US
Speaker:to calendar system here in Ireland. So it's quite similar to the, to the us
Speaker:system in that regard. If you come to Ireland and you have an
Speaker:obligation to file a tax return, let's say you move in 2024,
Speaker:you have to file a tax return that year, because we've determined that there is
Speaker:an obligation to do so. You must do so by the 31 October and the
Speaker:following year. So it's quite a long lead in period of time
Speaker:where you need to, before you need to do the return. But one
Speaker:important point, if you have, if you move to Ireland in
Speaker:2024 and you have to do a tax return in 2025 by the deadline
Speaker:that we mentioned, and you have a tax payment to make, there's a preliminary
Speaker:tax system here, which very simply means you are in a prepayment
Speaker:situation with your taxes. And if you've moved to Ireland in the first
Speaker:year, you don't have to pay preliminary tax. You can choose to do so if
Speaker:you wish. However, when you come to do your tax return in
Speaker:2025, you'll have to pay your 2024 bill and
Speaker:prepay your 2025 bill. And what that means is if you haven't
Speaker:budgeted for the taxes, when you get to the payment point in October
Speaker:2025, you're going to have a big outlet. So understand
Speaker:how the system works, understand how it applies to you. And
Speaker:again, sounds like a broken record, but try to do that in
Speaker:conjunction with an advisor so that you get the best outcome and the correct one
Speaker:the first time. The fifth point is learn to
Speaker:navigate Revenue's online system. Learn to use their website,
Speaker:work out whether you are going to be using
Speaker:their my account system, which we've had a recent podcast
Speaker:episode with Alan Purcell, who I explained really, really well how
Speaker:that works and who it's for. Are you using my account, which is a
Speaker:simple online system broadly designed for people who
Speaker:are employees and who have low levels of other income,
Speaker:or are you required to register via revenues? Online
Speaker:system so, for example, of people who are retiring to
Speaker:Ireland or coming to live in Ireland and who might have foreign investment income
Speaker:are required to register for revenues. Online service, which
Speaker:is an online system whereby longer form
Speaker:tax returns, called colloquially in the industry form eleven
Speaker:s, are lodged. Everybody can log on to revenue, ie, and
Speaker:familiarize themselves with the system. There's some really good
Speaker:information on revenue's website, and I think revenue
Speaker:recently installed a chatbot as well, where I think you can engage with it. I
Speaker:haven't personally used it, so I'm not too familiar with how functional it is,
Speaker:but it's a useful thing to know. But I would say this, and just
Speaker:bear this in mind, we do sometimes work with clients who
Speaker:ring revenue and try to engage with them about
Speaker:complex international tax issues. If you don't get a clear
Speaker:answer, or you're struggling to get traction, it's not just you. Revenue currently,
Speaker:are you struggling to deal with the volume of queries they're getting? I
Speaker:understand that they're also recruiting internally to try and build up their staff,
Speaker:but the point is this, they don't exist as a tax advisory
Speaker:service. So if you're struggling or you're finding it difficult to get answers to
Speaker:questions which might of course seem basic or
Speaker:simple, consider speaking with an advisor,
Speaker:just to try and get to the root of the issue quickly and resolve it.
Speaker:So there are five high level points that you might take away. Hopefully some
Speaker:of them have been helpful and that would be applicable for some, not for
Speaker:others, and broadly geared towards people who are in the planning
Speaker:phase or have recently moved to Ireland. And if you want
Speaker:me to help you with any of the issues you're facing, check out the show
Speaker:notes. It'll refer you to expat taxes, ie, where you can book a
Speaker:consultation with myself directly or one of the team who'd be more than
Speaker:happy to help. And this is what we do day in, day out, helping clients
Speaker:of ours navigate the stressful time that is planning their move to
Speaker:Ireland. But yeah, drop us a note
Speaker:infoxpataccess ie and let us know what you'd like to hear us talk about,
Speaker:and we look forward to catch up with you next time.
Speaker:Thanks for listening to tax bytes for expats. Please do leave a
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Speaker:remember to take professional tax advice specific to your
Speaker:personal circumstances before acting or refraining from action
Speaker:in connection with the matters dealt with in this series. The
Speaker:material in this podcast is intended to give general guidance only.