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What Comes In When You Create Space With Hayley Gene Penner
Episode 85th January 2021 • Undefined • Marisa Tashman
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Today I share my conversation with Hayley Gene Penner, singer, songwriter, and author of the new memoir People You Follow, which explores Hayley's relationships - from her childhood as the daughter of a celebrity to the coercive relationship with her boss. Hayley's stories of questionable sexual encounters, artistic aspirations, and emotional abuse trace her coming of age in the music industry.


  • Pretending to be someone else / putting on an act
  • Accessing your value as a partner
  • Expressing anger
  • Being the "cool" girl
  • Having gratitude for all of life's experiences
  • Forgiveness and compassion
  • Re-framing failure and defining success
  • What comes in when you create space
  • Integrating feelings of freedom after escaping from a controlling situation


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As always, thank you to Maytav Koter and Spencer Stewart for the music on my podcast. And to Laura Strohbusch for the podcast graphic.