ARE YOU THE LEADER OF THE PACK? Teamwork, timing, conditioning, chemistry, conditions and skill get you across the finish line. I am talking about business and life but in Episode 48 of the Shining Brightly Podcast Show (links in the comments), my special guest Tanya McCready takes us behind the scenes in breeding Siberian Huskies that become a pack to lead a sled across the Alaskan tundra in the Iditarod Dog Sled Race. Winter-dance is based in Ontario, Canada and the home and business of breeding, training, touring dogs, family and maple syrup. Tanya is the pit crew chief, author and TEDx speaker, Hank is the trainer and drives the sled and all the McCready kids pitched-in along the way. Come learn what it takes to be like Maverick, a lead dog on a sled and a lead dog in business. Please check out this fun and interesting show. Please listen, download, share and review.

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Speaker Website - https://tanyamccready.com

Dogsled + company website - https://www.winterdance.com/

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanya-mccready-winterdance/

Facebook – https://facebook.com/tanya.mccready.3

Amazon - https://tinyurl.com/tanya-books

Iditarod Dreaming

Journey of 1000 Miles

About the guest –  Tanya McCready along with her husband Hank DeBruin, fell in love with a husky puppy in a pet store almost 30 years ago. Adopting that puppy ended up changing the entire trajectory of their lives. After reading books and watching movies to better understand this pup, they decided to try dogsledding. A passion was found and their husky family quickly grew to 7. In 1999 Tanya quit her job as an Environmental Engineer, gave up her plans to go to law school. Hank quit his job as a millwright, they rented out their house and moved to the wilderness of Haliburton, Ontario, to chase a dream of starting a business, a lifestyle and a family around their beloved dogs. Winter-dance was born. Winter-dance now welcomes over 2000 guests from around the globe every winter to experience travelling through the Winter-dance with their beloved huskies. Hank and their huskies have had many adventures from Maine to Alaska including competing in six 1000-mile races in Alaska and the Yukon. The lessons and stories that have come from these races have created 2 best-selling books. The latest Journey of 1000 Miles has become an international best seller. Tanya, Hank and their huskies have been featured in some of the biggest media outlets in the world including CNN and New York Times to name a few. Their huskies have been featuredin dozens of TV shows, movies, commercials and music videos. Tanya and Hank also have a 2500 tree maple syrup farm on their 2,000-acre property. They share their lives with their 4 children, 150 huskies and 3 cats.

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Howard Brown is a best-selling author, award-winning international speaker, Silicon Valley entrepreneur, interfaith peacemaker, and a two-time stage IV cancer survivor. He is also a sought-after speaker and consultant for corporate businesses, nonprofits, congregations, and community groups. Howard has co-founded two social networks that were the first to connect religious communities around the world. He is a nationally known patient advocate and “cancer whisperer” to many families. Howard, his wife Lisa, and daughter Emily currently reside in Michigan, and his happy place is on the basketball court.

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Hello, it's Howard Brown. This is the Shining

Brightly Show. I have such an interesting guest. Oh my god,

this is incredible. I have Tanya McCready with us today. Tanya,

how are you?

I'm doing wonderful, Howard. Thank you for

having me.

I'm excited because you're going to teach me

a little bit about life, business, family and sport.

Tanya, I have to tell you, I don't know a lot about. I did a

rod racing. But I'm going to learn today the audience is

going to learn today. But I did as a little kid, watch the Wide

World of Sports here in the US and learn a little bit and I

can't even imagine being you know, the musher or on the pit

crew, as you say. So you're going to tell us that but before

that, would you please You know, just introduce yourself. Give us

your short bio. Let everyone get to know you.

Absolutely. Well, it was 24 years ago, my

husband Hank De Bruyne and I quit our jobs, moved out to the

wilderness to turn our love for our Huskies into a lifestyle of

business and a dream. So you know, we could have never

guessed we're winter dance dog sled tours 24 years ago would

take us but now we welcome two to 3000 guests. Every winter

from around the world. We have four children, my husband and

our dogs have run 6000 mile races. And now we get to share

our messages through our books and also speaking on stages

around teamwork, leadership, challenges and just touched so

many lives through our dogs. So it's it's been a magical

journey.

That's incredible. I and also you're an engineer by

trade. We'll talk about that. Yeah, yeah. But tell us

something that you know, something we may not know about

you. Share what share us share?

We may not know Oh, gosh. Like Guess I'll go

back to early days. So let's see. So we grew up as farmers

both my husband and I and I actually was a dairy Princess

way back in the days. So you know, pro drinking milk and, and

dairy farming. So that's something a lot of people don't

know,

good skills to know, you know, as you as you

navigate life and all that. Alright, take us back to

engineering and how did you get involved with dogsledding?

Yeah, it doesn't seem like a direct connection,

for sure. But always grew up loving environment, wildlife

nature. So my teenage brain thought, well, since I'm good at

math and science, why don't I do an engineering degree and then

ultimately, I'll go on to law and be an environmental lawyer.

That was the plan. But the plan kind of derailed after I got the

PNG because I decided that maybe working in corporate wasn't

really what I wanted to do. And being behind a desk wasn't where

I was gonna be happy. So we got a husky shortly after we got

married, and gosh, fallen in love with her and got three more

and try dogsledding fell in love with dog sledding. So at one

point, it's like, you know, we're not thrilled living in the

city, and each of us going in different directions. And one

night on the phone, a friend said, Why don't you turn your

love for your dogs into a business? There was a lot in

between, but that was that was the seed. And it's like, gosh,

like, that would be amazing. And so now

you moved out of the city.

Six years later, here we are, we've gotten better

jobs, quit our jobs rented our house, and it was September 1

1999, we moved to the wilderness 50 acres of wilderness and

nothing was here other than a driveway when we got here, and

had our first child a month after that, and winter dance,

and this crazy lifestyle was born. So it's a it's had a lot

of challenges. I won't lie. You know, people often say you're

living our dream and, and I'm like, what you're seeing the

glossy sections, you know, you're not seeing all the

challenges. So there was a lot that wouldn't change it for

anything in the world.

Right. So all right, let's what we're gonna

get back to family and business, but we got to get into the race.

All right. So this is a competitive sport. All right.

And there's a lot that goes into us. So take us in how you prep a

team, how many? How many? How many dogs are on a team?

So yes, absolutely. It's a huge

undertaking. 16 dogs on it if you're on team when we ran, they

reduced it a bit now. But that was part of the dream when we

moved, you know, started our business to was for Hank and our

dogs to compete in the Iditarod. We figured it take three years

to get there took 10 What 2010 We finally were at the starting

line in Anchorage. Two years it took just for Hank and the dogs

to run the qualifying racist will work up to where you could

even be allowed to enter the Iditarod. The team will train on

average 2000 miles before they even leave for Alaska that fall

and winter. And I mean we try to prepare them for anything they

could face in Alaska as best as we can, you know, not being in

Alaska. And then there's the other side of it all the

logistics because everything they're going to need for those

two weeks has to be shipped out onto the trail for us even

before the team left Ontario. So you know all the like, Well what

if what if, what if what if you know, because everything has to

be there that the team could possibly need? So yeah, huge

amount of training time commitment, money, commitment,

legit stucco commitment and then you're at the starting line and

anchorage hoping that you've done everything right to get to

the finish.

And it's part survival. I mean, you're in

there and you never know what the outdoors in the environment

is going to send you as well. And so the training is just

intense right and now divided the roles Hank was doing the

actual mushing, is there one person or two, mushing?

Yeah, it's only one person machine one. So and

you know, you can't switch them out. So we're Felipe's, the

starting line is the one who's with the team for the whole

race. So yeah, I mean, he does he does the machine the dog work

and, you know, the rest of us do everything else that we possibly

can, so that all he has to focus on is the dogs.

And your and you told me, you're the head of the

pit crew. So that means you're managing everything else.

Well, thankfully, I have a lot of

help. But yeah, there's a lot that that goes on behind the

scenes. I mean, as Hank always says, like, there's no way you

could do it on your own. Because you're just there's so much time

draining that there's no time to do all the other stuff that has

to be done for the team to be successful. So it's it's

definitely a team sport in every way from dogs to people.

Right. And so what are some of like the lessons

that you've learned about mushing? And then you turn it

into a business? And then I just there's the lead dog gets? Is

there? Is there a special there's you don't not everyone

gets to be the lead dog of the pack? Right? What are some of

the qualities you look for in a lead dog? And then take me into

the business?

Yeah, I mean, a lead dog is a special creature

for sure. And it's not so much less picking them, it's, it's

them picking themselves. You know, when I speak to

corporations often say our leaders born or they made and I

always get various answers, but in our experience, it's both.

You know, some of our lead dogs, we've picked them out as

puppies, because they're the first to do everything. They're

almost fearless. But other leaders don't become leaders

till they're 567 years of age. So we give the the dogs the

opportunity every year in training to be a leader if they

want to be and they tell us really quickly whether they have

that desire not. Once they do, then we team them up with our

experience lead dogs, and they teach them even more, almost

like a mentorship programme. But traits of a lead dog, my gosh,

passion, heart intelligence, dedication, they just quit is

not in their vocabulary, curiosity to see what's around

the next corner. And to be in charge of that team. I mean,

because you can have a dog that has all those other traits. But

if they don't want to be the first one in that team, they'll

sit down, and your team will go nowhere. So it's so important

and every leader has different strengths are some of our lead

dogs that are brilliant, and storms and wind and crowds and

mount like there's always scenarios where just like people

leaders, we all have our different strengths. So

change them up during the race, or no or you do

it depends on the circumstance. Okay,

depending on the circumstances, depending on the

dog, we've had some leaders like Lilly is the first one that

comes to mind that she could lead in pretty much anything.

And she would be upset if she was put further back in the

team. Now there's other dogs like Mavericks belly, Charlie,

some of our other leaders Strider that have different

strengths, and they're completely fine with being lead

or you know, moving back and letting someone else leave for a

time. So it's just like people so many personalities. And the

better you understand every single one of those dogs on your

team, the better team you have. It's the

difference between winning and even finishing,

right? I mean, it's

the difference between finishing and not

absolutely.

Yeah, finishing right I mean, just just

finishing is an accomplishment of course. How long is the race

is a two weeks is

miles and winter. Generally we'll do it

nine days ish. The last leg team usually is around 14 days.

Okay, so now take take me in how does this become

a business?

Yeah, the business actually came first. So

we started dog sled for business. And the goal was that

the business would help fund the race team which it which it

eventually did. So we teach people how to dog sled I mean,

people come literally from all over the world. And we give them

an instruction you know, we teach them how to drive a sled,

how to interact with their dogs, and then we take them out, we're

very blessed to have 2000 acres of wilderness. We take them out

dog sledding in the winter, so a guy goes with them on their own

sled, but we try to make it as close to the real deal of dog

sledding as we possibly can. And to get to share that with

people. It's not just what people come away with in the

stories they send us in the lives we get to touch from, you

know, people with terminal illnesses to you know,

blindness. There's so many disabilities and challenges that

we've welcomed guests over the years and you know, we love all

of our guests but of course those stories just even deeper

when when you know the the deeper meaning behind their

visits. So that's that's how it started.

Did the pandemic slow things down a lot? Or not

so much. That's One way to really hurt me people weren't

trying to arrive in Canada get into Canada. I mean, I was 15

minutes from Canada and I couldn't get in. So that really

hurt.

Yeah, it. It hurt for sure. I mean, there was

one winter, we pretty much I think we lost three quarters

that winter just because of lock downs. But there's always silver

linings, right, you know, better than anyone, Howard. So our

silver lining one. And that was how are we going to care for

these dogs for the next year. And we had done a little bit of

speaking, but just when requested before that. So we're

like well speaking is one option. And we wrote our second

book. So during the 1000 Miles got wrote that year, and we

started leaning heavier into speaking and now it's become,

you know, a huge part of our business, which without COVID it

probably never would have and, you know, it just is such a joy

to get to share our dogs with more people than we ever could

just by welcoming people on site. Yeah.

And then additional income source as

well. So how did you find time for for children? You created a

family and tell me a little bit about your family and that

journey as well as juggling that?

Yeah, I mean, I don't think you ever find time

for a family. It's you decide you want to have a family and

you know, you have a family. So our first child was born. As I

mentioned, Logan, a month after we moved here, we had no house

at the time we were building so we lived in this dilapidated

motorhome. And that's what we brought him home to the first

winter because our house still wasn't done, we decided to move

into the camera because the kennel was done. So that's where

we spent our first year in his first year who was living with

the dogs. So it was not perfect. You know, I would have never

planned that. But life happens and you just work with it. So

that was our first one. And then Dustin came along. And then

Mikayla and Jessica, and yeah, it's, I get asked a lot. How did

you build a business and a family? And I wouldn't say I did

anything perfectly. But you just kind of give your attention

where it's needed at the time. And the joy of our business was

that being that we were our home based business. Kids were with

us all the time. So yes, Mom and Dad were often busy, but they

were busy with us. So it you know, we always joke that they

would grow up and be bankers and lawyers in downtown Toronto

because we live such an unconventional lifestyle. But it

doesn't seem at the moment that's happening, our oldest son

as a pilot, our second oldest one has his own diving business

underwater diving business. So far, anyway, they've taken very

unique paths as well just, I guess, out of what they saw with

us do but yeah, like there's a way to make anything work if

you're committed and dedicated enough and I can't imagine not

having either the children or the business,

but they grew up with the dogs, they grew up and

they helped.

Absolutely, they grew up they helped with the

dogs you know, they got to travel to Alaska with Hank and I

when he ran the deterra they've been to Nome to watch their

father cross the finish line you know they've smoked they flown

on Bush planes through Alaska boys have been to the Hudson

Churchill on the slow train to molasses that that goes through

Manitoba I mean, they've had some very unique trips that have

not had the trips that a lot of kids have had as far as

Caribbean and Mexico and stuff but they've had some pretty

unique travel load of it. And obviously like sons around you

know, work and work ethic and setting goals and dreams and and

even failure.

So, what are some of the some advice or lessons

from you know, the balance which is sort of was immersed the

business in the family what are some some takeaways from there?

The one takeaway is I gave up on the word balance

a very long time ago because I found there was no easy way to

separate and, and boundary off anything. Because you know, my

office is in the house, the dog is and all our kennels 100 feet

away. Our staff are in and out of the house and the kennels so

we just stopped trying and when we stopped trying life got a

heck of a lot simpler when we stopped saying there has to be

boundaries. You know, our staff who usually you know, being

adventure guides are in their 20s became like Big Brothers and

Big Sisters to our kids, you know, as they grew up, and now

we're at a position where the kids are, you know, the same age

as the guys and they're great friends. So yeah, for us, I

can't say that works for everyone. But for us when we

just let go of the boundaries and just went you know, for

loving what we do, whether there were with the family with our

customers. Everybody's having a great time. If you love what you

do, and why do you have to have boundaries between everything?

Yeah, so take me out on the course. And give me

some memorable moments from the race time. Good, good,

challenging,

good and challenging. The challenging

ones are always what we end up talking about because they're

the biggest lessons right but but the good ones I'll start

with them is you meet so many incredible people Howard I don't

know if you've been to Alaska you but

I have been to Alaska, but never do a race.

Yeah.

I mean, once you get out well not not even once

you get off the main road Alaskan Yukon just haven't heard

Trouble people period. But when you get off the main highways in

the back country, I mean, you get to meet people that don't

see a lot of people. And, you know, as Hank will say, some of

our best friends in the world are on those trails, even though

we've only met them a handful of times. Because when you live a

lifestyle that very few people live, it just creates bonds so

quickly. So, you know, just the friendships that are born on

that trail, are worth worth all of the effort just to get there

in and of itself. So that certainly some of the beautiful

moments, of course, the landscape, I mean, who can't

think of Alaska and the Yukon without incredible landscapes

and to get to travel through that for two weeks, even though

it's winter and cold. But Northern Lights, you know, Hank

has stories. And they're one night in particular, the

Northern Lights were stunning. We were just at the border of

Yukon and Alaska. And he was probably 50 miles away from

where my brother and I were waiting for him. And I remember

looking up in the northern lights, and like, oh, my gosh,

you know, we're 50 miles apart, but I know he's seen the same

Northern Lights I am. And he tells the story of watching them

and thinking, you know, tanyon water season, he said, the dogs

actually were running, watching the Northern Lights, too. So, so

many special memories, bonding times with our dogs. Spiritual

moments, you know, come on that trail, when you're out on your

own for so long in the elements. Hank doesn't talk a lot about

them. But there are moments that are very, very precious that I

don't know, that you'd ever experienced. And

I mean, your stop and for the stopping if you

stopping to rest the dogs and to eat and to, you know, give them

I mean, you have to plan this course out. That's up to you as

the musher right,

to some extent you plan, and then life happens,

right. So that's what we always go into. Exactly. So. But yeah,

on average, the dogs rest the same number of hours that they

run on the trail. So even though the dogs are getting lots of

rest, Hank has to care for them, of course, pack his sled cook

their next meal. So his first race, I think he figured he got

between one and two hours of sleep a day. So by the end of

it, I mean, monsters are like zombies, right? It's just like,

What day is it? I mean, it's just, it's so much now as he did

more races, he got better, he probably got up to three to four

hours of sleep a day, just by getting more dialled into his

routines and had to do things more efficiently. But it's a

learning curve for sure. It's an incredibly good challenges.

biggest challenges are mine, right? I mean, a lot of people

assume it's young dogs that run these races. And yes, there'll

be some younger dogs in there. But those aren't your prime

dogs, your prime dogs are the five to nine year old dogs.

Because it's a mental gamble for your musher and the dogs. It's

it's, I mean, obviously, it's endurance, but it's way more a

mental game. And the dog is knowing they're going a long way

and knowing how to you know, kind of just, we're going to be

doing this for days, guys, like we're not going to put

everything in the first day. That's something that only comes

with age and experience. And also knowing how to lead and get

through those tough times. Because they'll run through

storms, you know, where they literally can't see anything.

You know, they've had a river break up under them one year,

they've gone across the Sea crossing where they couldn't see

a thing. I mean, all those kinds of challenges without confidence

in your leaders in your team. And equally them having

confidence in Hank, they've never go anywhere. The one year

they left Shaktoolik, which is right on the Bering Sea and the

Iditarod to cross that section sea ice. And it was a bad storm

going in. And it was the scariest section of trail for

Hank to run. And as he said, they left the land behind in the

wind hit them full. He couldn't even see the dogs. It was so

bad. And he said I got so fearful that his lead dog was

Maverick at the time and Mavericks the only dog we've

ever had that can turn a team 180 degrees. He literally turned

the team 180 degrees and he took them back into the checkpoint,

because as the lead dog, he's like if you have that much fear

because of course dogs read our energy just like that. I'm not

going any further. And there, they sat for hours until Hank

got his mindset, right, got his confidence enough that they

could do it. And the team had it out. And that time they did

manage to get across that stretch of ice. But, you know,

it's all the lessons that you hear about with people. But we

learned it through our dogs, you know, trust. Trust is so huge,

because without trust, there is no team and literally if you

don't have trust in a dog team, they sit down and they quit.

They're not going anywhere. So yeah, so many I could go on for

two hours. I know we don't have two hours, Howard but so many

stories on challenges and the lessons they've taught us it's

beautiful

because it's all about perseverance and but

there's so much that went into this the training the team and

the learning. I mean, again, it took them it took you 10 years

to finally actually get to the idea To ride Yeah, to earn your

way on. And I imagine that there's separation between the

different mushers and you know, you're, you're alone out there

basically trying to trying to actually go at the fastest pace,

but to say a safe pace to because a lot of issues, dogs

can get hurt, right? I mean, you got what you said is 12 or 16

dogs on the team

16 dogs on the team dogs on one of those two

years. Yeah.

And they got to eat because they need that

energy to go and they're pulling through as well. So this led to

two books. And so tell me about the first book, give me the

highlight reel on a guitar rod dreamer.

First Book was our journey to our first 1000

mile race. So it has a little bit of our, you know, our origin

story of starting winter dance and, and takes us through the

couple of years of of all the races, we had to run to get to

the Iditarod. And then, you know, the joy and the excitement

of actually being at the start of the Iditarod and what Hank

and the team experienced along that trail. Now, unfortunately,

we didn't get to finish our first two Diderot. So that book,

you know, ends with the very tough non finishing of that

race. And with that, and then journey with 1000 Miles picks up

where that one leaves off, you know, with with that huge

disappointment, that a huge failure, and goes through our

next 1000 mile race, which was how we got through that

devastation was we set a new goal. And that was, you know,

the biggest lesson we learned out of that was, whenever life

throws you, lemons, my gosh, who am I talking to, I don't even

tell you this hour, I got to set a new goal and find a way to

keep going and get excited about life again, because that's what

makes life magical again. So during the 1000 Miles was our

second 1000 mile race, which Hank did finish. And just so

many stories of him and the dogs and you know, unique characters

that we get to meet along the trail and, and the challenges

that they went through and how they dealt with them. So yeah,

those are the two

works. Yeah, you retooled and regain planned and

you put forth you know, this meant, as you said, mental

toughness, physical fitness, you needed the finances to move

forward. And then you also had the faith to incorporate the

family into doing it. It's actually an incredible story.

And I love the two books, I love the speaking. And all the dogs,

you name them, like family. I mean, you've got a big family.

We do.

Yes, it's a it's a big deal. And there's a little

litter of pups. And you know, it usually takes us a bit to name

them because everyone has to agree. And we usually go with

themes. So every litter is a theme. And yeah, so it's it's a

process, but everybody has names. Absolutely.

So I mean, you're a breeder as well. So it's, it's

incredible. Well, I, I want to tell you this is when I when I

first got introduced you, I didn't know much about you know,

dog sled racing, and about your company and, uh, you and it's

just fantastic. Because you actually do, what I do is that

you actually go and you shed light on the world. And you do

it by raising your dogs, raising your family, finishing the race,

okay, and being able to, you know, meet the people along the

way. It's just beautiful. And that's what sharing and shining

your light is all about. So let's do that together. We're

going to enter our shining brightly spotlight, we're going

to put on our sunglasses for a second. And what I'd like you to

do is tell people how to the best way to get a hold of you.

And then give me some final comments. And then you'll kick

it back to me to to end the show.

Absolutely. So winter dance.com is the best way

for people to reach us by email, social everything there. Or

Tanya mccrady.com That's more on our speaking and presentation,

some courses. A couple things to leave people with. I think the

biggest one is if you have a dream, and you want to chase it

and start chasing it. Nothing was ever perfect for Hank and I

when we built winter dance, but you don't have to see the finish

line when you start you just have to see the next step.

Because if you wait till you see the finish line, you're never

going to start and when you're on your way to that finish line,

just take it one step after the other that's when life gets

absolutely magical.

I love it. I will include in the show notes and in

the comments on all social media, the website and how to

get in touch with you and the books and also how to come visit

you and come up as well not just for training but maybe for you

want to come up and meet the pups and learn about it as well

get away so I it's just a beautiful story and thank you

for sharing keep inspiring. I next time I want to have you

back I want Hank I know he's training so but we'll get him on

here because I want to hear from from your lead dog as well hear

from him as well. So you can always reach me at shining

brightly.com You can learn more about my my speaking and the

book of course and To pot this podcast and my advocacy work in

entrepreneurship in cancer advocacy and interfaith

relations, and just remember, if we choose to shine brightly a

little bit each day for ourselves, for others in our

communities, the world will be better place. Thank you again,

Tanya, what a great podcast show. And we'll share this

widely and, you know, I got it. I want to actually get behind

there and go on a training run as well. You'll teach me how to

do it. So absolutely. Well, thank you and keep shining

brightly. Thank you.