From Fiat Frustration to Bitcoin Belief: A Journey Through Global Inequality and Alternative Health Practices

The transcript discusses the host's conversation with Andi, a founding partner at EgoDeath Capital, exploring her background, her journey to Bitcoin understanding, and her work in the Bitcoin ecosystem. Andi speaks about the inherent inequality and social dislocations promoted by fiat currency, instigating her skepticism about Bitcoin initially. However, her background in math and economics, experiences from traveling the world, and interactions with Jeff Booth and Nico Lechuga changed her perspective. Andi's travels helped her understand the root causes of global problems, such as corruption, governance issues, and global inequality. She also draws a fascinating connection between fiat currency and social issues like poverty and homelessness in developed countries like the U.S., where people lack community support despite living amid material wealth. The conversation also veers towards alternative health practices and the importance of personal emotional health.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Background

00:24 Exploring the World and Cultural Differences

02:30 Understanding Bitcoin and its Impact

05:12 Personal Experiences and Observations on Inequality

07:38 The Impact of Fiat Currency on Society

09:51 Exploring Alternative Health Practices

18:02 The Connection Between Bitcoin and Personal Passions

19:19 Closing Thoughts and Future Perspectives

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The fiat currency incentivizes and promotes

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inequality and social dislocation.

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And I was very skeptical,

honestly, of coming in to Bitcoin.

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Tali: Hey, everybody.

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Welcome to Orange Hatter.

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Andy, thank you so much for

spending an afternoon with us

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and sharing your Bitcoin story.

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Andi: Thank you.

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It's great to be here.

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Tali: Let's jump right in.

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Can you tell us a little

bit about your background?

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, Andi: I am a founding

partner at EgoDev Capital.

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So, we're a venture capital

fund that invests in companies

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building in the Bitcoin ecosystem.

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, I grew up in Australia.

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, studied math and economics.

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Ended up working with Goldman Sachs.

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, First in Australia and then New York

for nearly eight years, , I took a

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bunch of time out, traveled, , did a few

different things before starting, , co

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founding the fund , with, , Jeff Booth

and Nicola Chuga early last year.

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Tali: Sounds like a very,

very exciting life so far.

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Let's, let's dig deeper.

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Uh, so you started, , with Goldman Sachs.

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And you mentioned that you travel a bit.

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When we talked, , last time we were

at Bitcoin Park, you mentioned that

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you were an exchange student to China.

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So are

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Andi: Ah, I wasn't an exchange

student, but I studied Chinese.

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I spent some time there.

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So I first in 2000, uh, 2000.

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Five, I think 2005, , and we did some

performances in different cities in China

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and kind of did little exchanges with

other orchestras, which was really cool.

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, and then I studied Chinese

a little bit in university.

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And then basically I had some time

between university and starting

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work, which is when I did my first

really, really long stint of travel.

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And part of that, I was in China for a

couple of months, , in the South, just

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studying Chinese and just living there.

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Tali: you still speaking Chinese today?

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Or is that?

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Do

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Andi: Sadly, I mean, I could probably

get around if I really needed to.

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, I've since been living

in Spain and Mexico.

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And so the focus was more on Spanish.

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, and probably the next language

I'm going to learn is French.

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I only speak German.

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My mom's German.

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But, I would, maybe I should

pick up Chinese again.

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I really do enjoy learning it.

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I

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Tali: So when you are traveling around

the world, you must have experienced

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such different cultural beliefs and

even just everyday approaches, ? Do you

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think that that may have helped you?

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understand the coin when you

first encountered a Bitcoin?

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Andi: think, definitely, and also,

I guess, I grew up, , I always

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wanted, I always saw there was

something wrong with the world.

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I always saw that the world

was very, very unequal.

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I couldn't really understand.

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How it was that some people in some

parts of the world could have so little

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and I, my family wasn't rich at all,

but, , growing up in Sydney, good

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public infrastructure, public schools,

everything, , in the context of the world,

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I was very, very privileged and I just,

that to me just never really made sense.

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And so I always had this passion, , I

guess for understanding that and

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understanding it really at the root cause.

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So I did study development economics

in university, , a lot of which to

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me just seemed, , very superficial.

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, a lot of the talk was, okay, well, if

you invest X or if you do Y development

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program, that's what helps development.

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And it was always like, well, but you're

just talking about treating the symptoms.

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Like what's the root cause of this?

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And a lot of it that I was understanding

at the time was around governance

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and corruption, , and certainly that

I've traveled throughout a lot of the

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developing world, a lot of Africa, Latin

America, Middle East, Eastern Europe,

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, Asia, and, , So I have, I definitely

learned a lot through that and I think you

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really see, I guess, as a traveler, you

don't always necessarily go deep in terms

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of what, like, particularly the banking

and access to the financial system,

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but you certainly see and understand

people and it becomes very, very natural

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to have a very global perspective as

opposed to seeing it all necessarily

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just from a global perspective.

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The perspective of how I grew up.

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Tali: Yeah.

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Um, can you tell us a little bit about

the first time you came across Bitcoin?

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Andi: I first came across crypto

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was spending time in Berlin

with a lot of the crypto people.

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And I think I got a little lost in

the weeds or not in the, in them.

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That was so much.

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And I was like, no, no, this makes sense.

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Like all the use cases you're

talking about don't make sense.

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And so I didn't get through

to Bitcoin at the time.

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So I was , kind of put

off by the whole thing.

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I was like, this seems ridiculous.

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, anyway, and then it was really a couple

of years later talking to Jeff and Nico

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about Bitcoin specifically and realizing

how it tied in a lot to what I had been

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seeking for as Really understanding

this global problem of inequality of

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corruption of governance of all of

these issues and understanding that

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the money really is the foundation of

that and and is the root root cause

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potentially, , the inequality with the U.

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S.

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Dollar being a reserve currency with fiat.

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, and so it's sort of as soon as I

heard the story around that, it

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just instantly clicked for me.

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That it fits so well into all of

these issues and ideas and areas that

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I've been exploring my whole life.

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Tali: So when you first came across

Bitcoin, and you're making those

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connections, were there specific

people who came to your mind or, or

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stories or something you observed

through your travels that particularly

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jumped out at you when you're making

these, like connecting all these dots?

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Andi: I think less my travel, certainly

my travel, I think what was more was the

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study that I had done around corruption

and governance and just seeing, and seeing

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the international financial systems, the

way that IMF works, the way that World

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Bank works, lending to countries, putting

them in these positions of servitude

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effectively to the global financial system

and these kind of process of extraction.

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, and effectively, it

incentivizes governance.

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Corruption, it incentivizes

civil conflict.

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, and it's all coming back to this sort of

currency that, that is driving it all.

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, and this system that was

driving it all in this system

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of power corrupt and corruption.

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, and so the concept of having a

currency and a value that couldn't be

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corrupted or manipulated, , I think

was really , what stood out to me.

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Tali: I'm thinking in my mind,

I did a little bit of traveling

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in my twenties as well.

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, but I, I always remembered this

story that someone shared with me.

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She's an American, she was

retired and she was visiting.

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Think it may have been India,

but she was describing how.

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These young men would run up to her

and her husband and tell them to

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please take them home with them and

that they would be their son and that

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they will love them and respect them.

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It was like this very active pleading,

not just can you please give me some

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money, but it was can you please

get us out of here kind of thing.

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And I always remembered.

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That story when she shared it with me.

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So can you think of any examples

of something similar that you had

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experience in all the different

places that you've visited?

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Andi: It's funny because I actually,

in a way, experience, I saw, I've seen

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so much poverty and at the same, like,

you know, I traveled through India.

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I've traveled through places with

very, what people would consider very

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extreme positive poverty, but actually.

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Some of the social

dislocation I see in the U.

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S.

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is actually worse.

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I, I still remember, I had been in India,

I'd spent a couple of months there, and I

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was shocked when I got back to New York.

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And I was in Brooklyn and seeing

the homelessness and the desperation

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of the people in Brooklyn.

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And that to me was like, there's

something wrong with the system.

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, there's something wrong.

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If you have the richest country in

the world and yet the level of social

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dislocation of destitution of poverty,

it's like people just on the street.

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I remember seeing this man near my

friend's apartment, this old man in

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a wheelchair, just like slumped over.

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I guess he was a drug addict.

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I don't know.

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And it was just like.

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How can we as a society let this happen?

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Because actually in a lot of

developing countries where they have

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nothing, they actually have so much

more in terms of social structures.

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So I still remember I showed, I, when

I was traveling through Africa, I

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had my main camera, which was like

whatever, SLR, and then a little camera.

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And often when I would go, there'd be

kids around, I would just give them

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my cat, the little one, and they would

play with it and have so much fun.

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People were like, oh, well,

wouldn't they steal it?

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I was like, no, just because

they're poor doesn't mean they steal.

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Like they have values.

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Actually, a couple of times I

forgot it almost as I was leaving.

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And like, I had a kid come up to me

and be like, your camera, your camera.

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I was like, oh, I almost forgotten.

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So I ended up with these amazing

photos of these kids and they were

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having so much fun and so happy.

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And I showed that to my mom and my mom

was like, wait, but they look so happy.

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And I was like, of course,

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Why wouldn't they be happy?

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She's like, because they're poor.

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And I was like, well, just because

they're poor doesn't mean they're unhappy.

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And actually some of these people are

richer in terms of, they have a community,

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they have social, they, if they go to

school, like they have friends and family.

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And, , so in, a way it was less

seeing that it was more than being

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like, wait, there's something

wrong with the U S as well.

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And the Western structure.

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And as I continued to go down

these Really understanding the

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root cause of so many problems.

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And you realize the fiat currency just

incentivizes and promotes inequality and

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promotes all of these social dislocation.

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And I was very skeptical,

honestly, of coming in to Bitcoin.

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I know, people talk about,

Oh, Bitcoin fixes this.

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And I've been very, very skeptical of that

kind of, Oh, well it seems too simple,

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but the more you get down to these root

cause of this is like, you have money

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at the foundation, just creating this.

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This inequality and that that's

like the worst of anywhere in

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the world, almost in the U.

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S.

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Tali: That is a really

interesting observation.

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I have been thinking about how poor we are

in the US in terms of I feel that, , we

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are so set on having our independence

that what we give up is the community.

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And , if we have 100 people trying to

make it on their own versus 100 people

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working together, you have 100 lonely

and desperate people versus maybe 100

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happier and more hopeful people.

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Andi: Yeah.

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And that's not to say, I mean, that's not

to say that, oh, it's fine to be poor.

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Like, absolutely not.

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On the other hand, I met, , this man

in, it must be in rural, rural Malawi,

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tiny little town in Malawi, where of

course the, all you see Coca Cola trucks

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everywhere, by the way, it is crazy.

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You're like the middle of nowhere

and has a beautiful, perfect

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Coca Cola truck going past.

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It's wild.

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And I can go into that as well.

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But, , I met this man and he was

a, he had a sewing machine, a

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beautiful thing, a sewing machine.

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He was a tailor, like he was fixing

clothing and was there with his wife, but

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he had been working in a mine nearby and

had been really, really badly injured.

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, and basically got this one little piece

of money as settlement and was trying

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to live off it, but it was almost

gone and there was just this like, you

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know, it's like, what's he going to do?

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He's injured.

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There isn't the same support that

they used to be in communities and

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they're all of this sort of Western

social dislocation has arrived there.

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And so it's just really varies.

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And he was just such a lovely, lovely man.

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I have this beautiful photo of him.

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But I was really worried

for his future as well.

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Tali: Okay.

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So what about those Coca Cola trucks?

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Andi: Well, okay.

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So I guess I, I read a book recently.

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So as I said, We think about fiat currency

and what problems that causes, , and

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effectively, if you think about fiat

currency, loose money, there's so much

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money being injected into the system

all the time that now there's all

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this money that people can actually

be incentivized to try and capture.

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And so if we think about all of

these different industries, whether

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it's, we know the concept of , the

military industrial complex, right.

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And so all of this money that can be

spent, but we need to justify things.

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And it's because there's all this money

available to be spent by governments,

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but then there's all these corporations

that are incentivized to try and

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figure out ways to justify and then

capture this loose money that can come.

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So all of this money is then being

funneled into these corporations,

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which everyone else is.

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About savings is being debased, so it's

just generating this huge inequality,

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and that's what we're seeing in the US.

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It's sort of the most pronounced of

anywhere, , and then you start thinking,

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Well, that's just one industry.

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What about the pharmaceutical industry?

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Exactly the same thing.

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People are incentivized to create

drugs because there's money that

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can come from the whole system.

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And then and then you go to Okay,

what about the processed food?

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Industry and I recently read a book called

ultra processed people all about the

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fast food, the processed food industry

and the same thing they're incentivized

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to try and capture wealth and they

because of all of this loose money

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that's basically going around the system.

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So we think, well, more money

is good because it helps people,

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but actually it creates all of

these really terrible incentives.

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So now you have a situation like in

Brazil or wherever, where people like

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Brazil and Africa, . Obesity is a huge

problem because they basically, Coca

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Cola saw rates of growth going down in

developed countries and figured where

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can we get new markets, they went into

emerging markets, they're bringing out

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this, this basically pushing processed

food and fizzy drinks and sugar on People

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that, because it's just cheap and it's

available and there's really terrible

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stories of how it's created, , incentives

in places like in towns where they can't

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access any fresh food anymore and all

they can get is this processed food

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from these international corporations.

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, so that was, I, I just remember being

in rural Africa and being like, what

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the fuck is a Coca Cola truck doing here?

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Excuse my language.

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Anyway, and now it's like you

start understanding why it's

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because of, it's because of fiat

currency and these weird incentives.

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Tali: I have a, , somewhat relevant

story to share . , I was visiting

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rural Kentucky, , a couple of years ago

and . These areas used to be, , mining

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towns and since the mines closed down,

all of these people just sunk into

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horrible, horrible poverty ., so , I was

talking to this lady who works with the

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town describing An economy happening

locally that was boosted by welfare.

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And I said, well, what does that mean?

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I don't understand.

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And she said, people, would get food

stamps and food stamps are meant to

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be spent at the grocery store because

if they got cash from the government

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through their welfare system, then

they would go buy drugs because drugs.

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Alcohol, they're rampant over there.

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The problem.

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So they would take the food stamps

and they would go to the grocery store

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and buy up large amounts of soda.

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They will haul them by cases into

somebody's truck and then they will

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drive them to the local restaurants and

sell them to the restaurants for money.

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And because it was free to them, any

money that , they got was extra for them.

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And of course the restaurants can.

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So that's how they would funnel

money out of the welfare system.

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And then they use the money

to go get drugs anyway.

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And then the kids would grow up without

even the basic knowledge of how to

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bathe and how to brush their teeth.

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And I actually went into

the Walmart, , In that area.

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And I was shocked at the condition

of the people who came into

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Walmart they were horribly deformed

physically because they're eating.

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Processed food because, you know, food

stamps and they would buy canned food and

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sodas and then they would go do drugs.

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And so I looked at, , there was a

baby that came in with a family and I

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looked at the baby and I, I couldn't

believe that it was an American baby.

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I just, I mean, that sounds so horrible

because it's not okay anywhere in the

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world, but just like what you're saying.

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disparity between the poor

and the rich is so great.

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And yet these people are being supported.

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And I feel like in some ways we pat

ourselves on the back that we have

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the welfare system, but the welfare

system really hurts them even more.

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Going back to the Fiat system and the soda

and the The process food and everything,

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you know, so yeah, it's, it's very sad.

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Andi: I think it's complex because I don't

know that the answer is don't do welfare.

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I think the answer is so

much deeper than that.

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And it's like the politicians

are doing their best.

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Like welfare is basically trying

to treat a symptom, but in

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a way it's making it worse.

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But at the same time,

it's so complex because.

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The root cause of it's like

treating an illness, right?

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They're trying to put band aids on

things, but the root cause of the whole

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problem is so deep and so hard to treat.

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And so people that are hopeless and

have nothing and trauma and become

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addicted, it's really terrible.

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And that's, I think once you start

realizing, , we're not individuals, right?

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Like we like to think we're individuals,

but actually we're a collective humanity.

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And.

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Their suffering is our suffering.

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I think you see it when you

travel there and, and you feel it.

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It's easy to sort of insulate yourself,

but at the end of the day, it's going

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to come at you one way or another.

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I noticed it in Austin.

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I live in Austin and there's

more and more homeless people.

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I had a conversation that's

potentially as a result of the opioid

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epidemic, , which is all, , and

I can go into that more around.

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Thank you.

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Doctors being incentivized to

basically be legal drug dealers.

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And even now it's terrible.

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, and at the end of the day, it impacts

me because I'm seeing these really

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desperate homeless people on the street.

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And I try and sometimes give

them money, but it's really sad.

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And it, it's not just their suffering.

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It's my suffering as well.

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, And I feel sometimes powerless,

but that's why I think Bitcoin is.

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I feel like it's slow and you don't see

immediate progress, but it's really trying

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to address this at maybe a root level.

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Tali: Yeah, for sure.

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, a lot of people ask, what Precoiners

will ask, how long would it

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take for our system to reset?

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Because that's our dream, right?

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As Bitcoiners, we're all hoping

that that day will be soon.

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I mean, what do you think?

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How long do you think it would

take for us to get to that point?

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Andi: I hope it's not a reset

and it's more of a transition.

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I know some people want everything to

fall apart cause so much suffering,

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but I, I think what we're doing

is building a new system that

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people can over time transition to

and things are going to collapse.

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I think that's inevitable.

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That's just history.

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, I don't know.

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I think it could be a while to be honest.

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Um, you know, the U.

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S.

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Well, who knows?

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I think it's honestly so hard

to tell, so hard to predict.

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Tali: It's a very

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Andi: be years, it could be

decades, it could be centuries.

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, probably decades is my guess.

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Tali: yeah, that's my guess too.

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Okay, so you've come into the Bitcoin

space, you're convinced that it's

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going to be a good thing for everyone.

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, how has it changed the way you

look at life in other ways?

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yoU touched on a little bit about the

process for you and the big pharma.

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, what about personally?

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Andi: Yeah, I think it's made, I mean, I

think in general it's made me, um, because

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we grow up with these stories, you grow up

taught one thing, we grew up learning that

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inflation is the way it should be done.

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We grew up learning that

cycles are the way things are.

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I studied economics, right?

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That's just taught to you.

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That's just how it is.

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It's not, this is a theory.

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, and , you start, I think Bitcoin, you

start questioning everything you've

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learned about economics, about finance,

about the global financial system.

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And then you start

thinking, well, if that's.

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Everything I believe there is kind

of not true or it's someone's

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story that I've just been taught.

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Well, where else is it?

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Okay, and then you go, what about health?

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Like, what, what am I told about

health and medicine and drugs,

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like legal, like pharmaceuticals?

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, and then you start, okay, I'm going to

really start questioning all of this.

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And then you start really

questioning, , literally everything.

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, and that's a little

terrifying, to be honest.

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So I think do it bit by bit.

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But, , I've really come to question

so many of my beliefs and so much

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of what I hear in the news or

headlines or anything like that.

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And just really trying to come up with my.

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Own independent views on sort of

everything, really, and talking

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to people and questioning.

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Tali: So, , before we started

recording, we were talking a little

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bit about alternative health.

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It's a subject that I'm very, very

interested in, , just because of personal

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experience, what I have observed from

watching people who are close to me,

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, , hearing other people share their stories.

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Well, recently I came across a thing

called emotion code, which is where you

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release trapped emotions in your body.

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So I was chatting with someone one

night and I said, I'm experimenting.

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I don't know what I'm doing,

but you want me to do on you?

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And she said, sure.

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So we did one session.

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I don't know if it did anything, but

anyway, three days later I get this

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very excited text and she goes, I

need to do another session with you.

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And I said, really, what happened?

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And she goes, That thing that I

told you about, it's releasing,

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like it's, my body is healing.

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And it's after, it's three days

after we did the emotion release.

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, , and that condition was closest

to a scheduled surgery date.

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And it was going to be this gaping

hole in her body that they would have

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to sew up but the body, once you

release the trapped emotion there

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was able to start self healing.

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So I'm super interested in it.

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I was blown away.

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I mean, doctors are necessary . So

I'm not saying no doctors.

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I'm just saying it doesn't have

to be the first resort isn't

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necessarily let's cut it out.

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We don't understand what's happening.

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It's causing you pain.

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Let's chop it.

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Let's cut it out.

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Let's separate.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Andi: yeah, that's amazing.

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I would love to learn more about this.

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I think I could benefit from that.

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, I think one thing that people, they

hear alternate medicine and they think,

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oh, it's just wishy washy, whatever.

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, there's a lot of.

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The thing is the medical field is very

conservative and so it's typically decades

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behind the latest scientific innovations.

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The same with science in general.

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, and so for instance, on this point of

emotion being stored in the body, it's

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very scientifically documented now.

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There's a great book called

The Body Keeps the Score.

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I'm not sure if you've read that, which is

a number one New York Times bestseller.

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, I highly recommend

everyone to read that and.

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, I agree with you.

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Medicine is amazing.

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It's really incredible, particularly

at treating any sort of acute injuries,

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penicillin, antibiotics, all of these

things . , but in terms of treating

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disease, it's very bad, , because

it's typically treating symptoms of

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disease and not the cause of disease.

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, and I'm not an expert, but I definitely

in my experience and what I've

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learned and read about, it does seem

that a lot of disease is caused by,

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, psychological and emotional factors.

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So, , for instance,

someone growing up and.

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, they have challenging parents or abusive

parents, and so they learn to always

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internalize all of their emotions because

it's dangerous to express their emotions.

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And then over time, they're basically

trapping all of that in their body, and

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that ultimately is sort of inevitable that

it will lead to disease, cancer, all of

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these things, and it's not their fault.

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, it's just, we're not taught as a

society of how to manage emotion.

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We're not, we're taught how to be good,

productive workers in the economy.

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We're not taught how to be, healthy

human beings and members of a community.

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, and so all of I think what's incredible

now that maybe the synthesis can

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come through of the modern technology

of science, along with the ancient

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understanding of, you know, in China,

they have incredible knowledge of

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the energy systems of the body.

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of the chi systems, all of

which is all proven by science.

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There's so much evidence that the

Chinese knew exactly what was going

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on internally, but it takes such a

long time for that to filter into

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the ordinary medical practices.

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I am very optimistic because if we

think about meditation, for instance,

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10 years ago, that was a very fringe,

new age, weird hippie thing, and now

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it's like every single doctor probably

recommends that patients meditate.

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, and so I think it's this synthesis

of, the scientific understanding

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with all of the ancient knowledge that

can come together now, which , and I

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think also it's similar, health is

similar to Bitcoin, I was sitting

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down with a friend of mine on the

weekend and she's a very, she's an

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incredible functional medicine doctor.

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, and so they bought Bitcoin and I was

helping them learn to self custody and

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I was explaining self custody, you know,

we, we've typically given up all of

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our sovereignty and ownership of money.

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We just.

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outsource it to the banks.

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We let them look after it.

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Sometimes they collapse and

we don't take ownership.

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And so, so much of Bitcoin is, is taking

ownership and learning and doing it.

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And yes, it's not easy at first,

but then you figure it out and self

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custody, and then it becomes normal.

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And then you start to wonder,

why did I let the banks look

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after my money for so long?

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The same thing with health.

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And she said, it's the same thing

that people just outsource their

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health to their doctors, but actually.

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It's she wants people to reclaim and

to take ownership and understand and

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do the research and talk to people.

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, so that was a really interesting

conversation, actually.

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Tali: I find that very interesting

that an MD would talk to you about

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that because a lot of MDs are very

upset that people are self diagnosing.

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Andi: My friend, so she's in functional

medicine, and I'm not sure if, yeah,

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functional medicine is very, very

forward thinking, , ultimately everyone

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knows their body better than their

doctor can so their doctor can help.

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It's like a therapist, right?

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Like the therapist isn't going to come

and say, this is what's wrong with you.

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They're working with you, asking

you questions, understanding

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that ultimately it's up to you.

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, you know yourself better than anyone.

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And I think it's the same with medicine.

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So self diagnosing is one thing,

but maybe there's something there.

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, and there's so many advances in terms of.

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doing testing for toxins or scans and

things like that, , that really do

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empower people and then you can work

with a doctor to help you through it.

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I think that's her perspective, but

I can't speak for her obviously.

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Tali: Well, I totally agree with that

because I work with a functional doctor

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and I have a Chinese acupuncturist

and herbalist who I work with and my

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first resort when somebody, has the

sniffles or something is always I

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would text my acupuncturist and say,

is this something you can help me with?

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And if he can, he will say, come in.

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If not, then he says, Go to urgent care.

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And I, I love that.

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I have that personal relationship

with my doctor instead of

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going through a automated call.

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And then you have to wait

forever for a human being.

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And every time you call in,

it's a different person.

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And you never get to talk to

a doctor until you get there.

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And then it's like, he

has three minutes for you.

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And then he's out of the

room and , you're just never

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seeing the same person twice.

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And they're always coming in asking you

the same questions over and over again.

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In the same visit,

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Andi: Yeah.

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I need to find a good acupuncturist.

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I worked with an amazing acupuncturist

when I was living in Spain.

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She, she was Western, but had studied

extensively and, , helped me so much.

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Incredible.

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, but since then I haven't found

a good one, so I'll have to see

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if maybe, maybe your acupuncture

has a recommendation in Austin.

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Tali: I can always text

him and he'll let me know.

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Andi: That would be great.

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Tali: So what other, , alternative

health things have you explored

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that we can chat about?

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I'm always curious.

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Andi: Oh, um,

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I think one of the biggest ones,

which is not specifically physical

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health, but it's like emotional health

coming back into the body and score.

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And that's actually such

an important factor.

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I think there's a whole range of different

things I've worked with there in terms

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of kind of psychedelics and I don't know

if you know Aho, he's this relatively

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controversial Indian spiritual leader.

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He was around in the nineties.

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People might know him from the

documentary world, world Country on

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Netflix, which is, uh, it's crazy.

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The story.

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At the same time, usher

developed a really profound.

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set of teachings

around, , really embodied.

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So if we think about all of this trauma

that's trapped in the body and anger

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and hatred and you can see it right

when people are really hunched up and

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they're holding everything in and like.

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So he developed this system of movement.

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So one aspect of dynamic meditation,

when you're like jumping up and down,

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some of it is like you're screaming it,

like you're literally letting out all of

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that anger that you've never been able

to let out before that's trapped in your

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body and causing illness and disease.

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And you get this opportunity to just

like, let it out and go for it, you know?

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Um, and I, I did a retreat at an

Asha Ashram in Greece, actually, a

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couple of years ago, which was a 10

day retreat and go through a lot of

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sharing as well as movement practices.

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So Kundalini meditation when you're

moving and shaking and all of these

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ways to shift energy and shift physical

kind of things through the body.

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, that I actually need to get back into it.

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I haven't been doing

the practice recently.

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, So that's something I think

is really, really powerful.

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,

Tali: And you mentioned that you also do lunar syching and

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Andi: yes, , I was actually very excited.

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This month because I noticed, , my cycle

came on the new moon, which is kind of,

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and then I noticed it was exactly 28 days.

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So previous month was the new moon and

that's a while since I've been totally

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synced like that, which is really nice.

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, so there's, and you can think about

it both from an evolutionary biology

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perspective as to why that might make

sense, but also from a kind of spiritual

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perspective, , and women just really

being these very cyclical beings and.

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These beautiful cycles we go through,

and it's very much linked to the

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moon and the moon, , if we think

about the spiritual perspective, the

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moon representing the feminine, the

sun representing the masculine, and

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that's why we sync with the moon.

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Tali: so was there something particular

you needed to do in order to sych?

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Andi: So I didn't, , you can do

it intentionally from what.

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So really setting the intention.

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I think also being, I think if you're

generally in a good place emotionally

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and balanced, that really helps.

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That's really important.

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, obviously going outside, really

being in touch with the moon.

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So knowing when the new moon is going

outside, if you can experiencing the

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darkness, , on those nights and when the

full moon is out, really experiencing and.

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Making sure your body is,

, experiencing that the cycles as well.

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, and then really setting that

intention, , for it to happen.

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, and you can sync with.

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The full moon as well.

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So that's considered like the

priestess energy in some lineages.

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So, , the priestesses, this

might be a bit graphic for some,

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but, , would bleed on the full moon.

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, and I know you have mostly women

listeners, so hopefully, , we

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all are used to this.

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, and so that's also a, , a beautiful

thing, , that maybe if you have more of

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that priestess energy, you may want to set

the intention to sync with the full moon.

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Tali: Okay, I'm gonna try that Cuz I heard

about lunar syching and I knew that was

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a good thing, but I didn't know how to

do it specifically so I never I never pay

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attention unless I was driving on an open

road and It happens to be a full moon and

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I'll say oh my gosh, it's so beautiful

But then the next day I don't remember

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what Lunar phase we're in, so it's

just not something I pay attention to.

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It sounds like if I paid attention and

I set an intention , to sync up, that's

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something that's more or less natural.

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Andi: yeah, and there is a lot

of, , rituals you can do around the

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new moon, which are really beautiful.

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So that's a really beautiful time.

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It's the feminine time.

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So if we think about masculine is,

is outwards is active, is bright

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is, , There's many other things, but

in this particular context, where

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is the feminine is the darkness.

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It's the inward.

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It's the kind of gentle receiving energy.

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And so that's the time of the new moon

when we go inward and the full moon.

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It's like, it's bright.

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It's sunny.

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That's why you have the full moon parties.

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You go out and party.

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, that's also when you're most fertile,

so it's not a coincidence that you would

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probably go to full moon parties at the

time you're most fertile, meet a mate

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and have a child, , and so that the

new moon is more about going inwards.

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So what's been going and that's

why also when we bleed, , we also

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have the emotion come up so it's

this time of really going into the

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emotional side into the feminine side.

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Understanding listening to ourselves.

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We can set intentions around what we

want to release from the previous cycle.

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What we want to welcome

into the next cycle.

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, so lots of like journaling meditation,

, any sort of feminine practices around

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the new moon is a really beautiful

way to acknowledge that as well.

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Tali: That is so cool.

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Okay, we have a few minutes left.

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, what Bitcoin?

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, Andi: I think, think about what you're

really passionate about in the world.

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I think we as women.

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, Connect to Bitcoin less like the

guys might be like, Oh my God,

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this is such cool technology.

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And I'm like, I don't really care

what, like I really care about is.

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I guess helping other people and

making the world a better place.

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And that's where I really

realized Bitcoin, , really

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fit in so much with that.

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, and so I think maybe for women

and it's obviously, we all have

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feminine and masculine inside us.

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I'm not saying it's only women.

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Lots of men care about people as well.

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Lots of women are technical.

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I'm certainly very technical.

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So I just want to preface that.

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But, I think women do often

care a lot about other people

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and want to make a difference.

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And so really understanding maybe how

Bitcoin and sound money really maybe fits

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in with things you're passionate about.

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, could be a way as well.

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And I love this podcast of listening

to other women's stories as well.

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And you can let the boys go talk

about the technical, I mean, yeah, I

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can go do the code and there's some

amazing female coders, so don't get

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me wrong, like Lisa is like amazing.

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, so it's, it's not a blanket rule, but

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Tali: Yeah, , we're grossly

generalizing here because like you

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said, some women have, more masculine

tendencies and of course men have more

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feminine tendencies and that's fine.

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It's just that we do in

general think a certain way.

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For example, my husband, when

he starts talking about Bitcoin.

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necessarily he brings in politics

and he gets very worked up and

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upset about all the wrongs that

have happened and all that stuff.

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And like you said, I care about

how impacts me personally and how it

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makes a difference for people's lives

more just on a personal experience

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level and less of a systemic.

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And, you know, let's talk politics.

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Let's talk big picture stuff.

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I get more personal.

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, I'm so happy to have

gotten to know you better.

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And , the fact that we can talk

women to women about topics

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, that , we all experience and share.

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I think that's so important, that we can

have this open space to speak freely.

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I don't think we would be so comfortable

talking about lunar syching if there were

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Andi: yeah.

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Tali: men in this space, but it's

really relevant, you know, , and

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people, people like to know.

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Thanks for joining us today . If the

discussion with our guests resonated

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