In this inspiring talk, John Harding guides us through a spiritual journey, encouraging us to see 2024 not just as another year, but as a unique opportunity to experience and embody God's presence in every aspect of our lives. Here are the key takeaways from this enlightening talk:
Reflection on the Past Year:
Setting Goals with a Spiritual Perspective:
Envisioning a Heavenly Impact in 2024:
Practical Steps for a Spiritually Enriched Year:
Well, hello, and welcome to Crowd Church.
Matt Edmundson:My name is Matt Edmundson.
Matt Edmundson:And beside me is, is the very funny, actually, Sadaf Beynon.
Matt Edmundson:We've just been, as you can see, if you're watching the video,
Matt Edmundson:we've got our headphones in.
Matt Edmundson:And during the intro, I was talking to Sadaf.
Matt Edmundson:You know, like when you talk to a kid when they're listening to something
Matt Edmundson:with their headphones, and it's like their volume just goes up exponentially.
Matt Edmundson:Hello!
Sadaf Beynon:What do you want?
Sadaf Beynon:That was me.
Sadaf Beynon:That
Matt Edmundson:was Sadaf.
Matt Edmundson:And I'm just going to stop laughing, actually, just before the intro ended.
Matt Edmundson:But welcome to Crowd Church.
Matt Edmundson:Yes, so it's great that you're here joining us New Year's Eve.
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Matt Edmundson:Uh, mainly because everyone's taking the week off between Christmas and New Year.
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Matt Edmundson:Uh, today Sadaf, what do we have today?
Sadaf Beynon:Today we are listening to John Harding, John Harding, and, um, he is
Sadaf Beynon:going to be talking about heaven on Earth.
Matt Edmundson:You're just making it up.
Matt Edmundson:Is that like one of those, it's a Christian talk, I don't know what it is,
Matt Edmundson:you're going to be talking about Jesus.
Sadaf Beynon:Something about the New Year and
Matt Edmundson:the New You.
Matt Edmundson:The New Year, New You thing?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Okay, have you actually listened to the talk?
Matt Edmundson:No.
Matt Edmundson:So, are you just making all this up?
Matt Edmundson:A little bit.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, okay, good.
Matt Edmundson:Well, we're going to find out.
Matt Edmundson:We're going to find out what this talk is all about in just a minute.
Matt Edmundson:We have John doing the talk, then after that, Sadaf and I will be back
Matt Edmundson:for a form of Conversation Street.
Matt Edmundson:It won't be massive, but it will be a form of Conversation Street, which is where
Matt Edmundson:we're just going to talk about the talk.
Matt Edmundson:Yes.
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Sadaf Beynon:this?
Sadaf Beynon:Um, it is 10am.
Sadaf Beynon:10am.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
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Matt Edmundson:Um, Yeah, so I well Christmas when this comes out as has happened.
Matt Edmundson:Did you have a good Christmas?
Sadaf Beynon:I'm having
Matt Edmundson:a great one.
Matt Edmundson:I'm having a great Christmas.
Matt Edmundson:What about you watching?
Matt Edmundson:Did you have a good Christmas?
Matt Edmundson:That's right.
Matt Edmundson:Yes or no in the comments with maybe some explanation if you feel like you're
Matt Edmundson:up to it But we do like Christmas.
Matt Edmundson:We have our Christmas jumpers on we get I mean You and I did
Matt Edmundson:that thing, didn't we, this year?
Matt Edmundson:Your family joined our family.
Sadaf Beynon:Yes, we did.
Sadaf Beynon:We have a new
Matt Edmundson:tradition.
Matt Edmundson:We have a new tradition.
Matt Edmundson:So every year we have this tradition.
Matt Edmundson:The first Saturday of every December we go out and we buy the Christmas tree, right?
Matt Edmundson:And, uh, the tree then gets delivered.
Matt Edmundson:So we choose it as a family.
Matt Edmundson:We go through this sort of walk through the park at the bottom of our road.
Matt Edmundson:It's called The Mystery.
Matt Edmundson:It's a mystery as to why it's called a mystery, um, but, uh, we go through
Matt Edmundson:the park, we buy the tree, we choose, well, we choose a tree, the guy opens
Matt Edmundson:up all the trees that we want to see and then we choose the one and then they're
Matt Edmundson:going to deliver it a few hours later.
Matt Edmundson:We get the deckies down, we do the house, we do the hot chocolate,
Matt Edmundson:but this year there was 16 of us.
Matt Edmundson:Yes
Sadaf Beynon:there was.
Sadaf Beynon:With some amazing
Matt Edmundson:food.
Matt Edmundson:Thank you, Matt.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, no problem.
Matt Edmundson:We had a great time.
Matt Edmundson:There was a whole bunch of us walked down, wasn't there, to choose the tree.
Matt Edmundson:You chose a tree, you and Jeff chose a tree, and the kids.
Matt Edmundson:It's me, Sharon and well, my daughter, cause my two sons are, you know,
Matt Edmundson:apparently they're leaving home, living the university life, God make it back,
Matt Edmundson:you know, um, and who else, Johnny and Rob, uh, Jenny and Rob, yeah, Jennying, we
Matt Edmundson:came up with this new word, the new verb, Jennying, so Jenny, uh, for years lived
Matt Edmundson:with us, she was our lodger, um, and just lovely, uh, she got married last year.
Matt Edmundson:I walked down the aisle, which was great.
Matt Edmundson:Mm-Hmm.
Matt Edmundson:did the whole father of the bride speech thing, which was amazing.
Matt Edmundson:Um, we all love Jenny and her twin sister Cat.
Matt Edmundson:They're all big part of the family.
Matt Edmundson:In fact, Cat came up from London.
Matt Edmundson:Just did, she was a tree.
Matt Edmundson:She came to stay with us the weekend.
Matt Edmundson:So we have this mad Christmas tradition, but whilst we were all together
Matt Edmundson:just having a very raucous time.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, it was very funny.
Matt Edmundson:It was very fun.
Matt Edmundson:Plain articulate.
Matt Edmundson:Who came up with the verb?
Matt Edmundson:Jennying?
Sadaf Beynon:Rob, I think , I think it's
Matt Edmundson:Rob, is her husband.
Matt Edmundson:And just explain what Jennying
Sadaf Beynon:means.
Sadaf Beynon:So Jennying is basically showing off.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:So if you're showing off, you're jennying.
Matt Edmundson:You're jennying.
Matt Edmundson:So we're just trying to get this word to catch on around the world.
Sadaf Beynon:So yeah, use it in the new year, new word.
Matt Edmundson:Just ask people, are you jennying?
Matt Edmundson:You're jennying right now, aren't you?
Matt Edmundson:Which was just hysterical.
Matt Edmundson:So yes, that was our tradition which you joined.
Matt Edmundson:So we have our trees.
Matt Edmundson:We love Christmas.
Matt Edmundson:But alas, Christmas has passed is the time of your reading, listening to this.
Matt Edmundson:So we're looking forward to the new year.
Matt Edmundson:What are you guys doing New Year's Eve?
Sadaf Beynon:Um, I'm coming
Matt Edmundson:to yours.
Matt Edmundson:Are you coming to ours?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Okay, cool.
Matt Edmundson:I
Sadaf Beynon:just invited myself.
Matt Edmundson:It's the first time I've heard about it,
Matt Edmundson:but it'd be good to see you.
Matt Edmundson:It would be good to see Jeff, anyway.
Matt Edmundson:The kids.
Matt Edmundson:You're more than welcome, by the way.
Matt Edmundson:Jan's coming to ours.
Matt Edmundson:Jan Birch with Tim and the kids.
Matt Edmundson:Jan's been on Crowd.
Matt Edmundson:Sue Erdin, who's been on Crowd before, she's coming to ours,
Matt Edmundson:so yeah, it's gonna be fun.
Matt Edmundson:Fun and games, as they say.
Matt Edmundson:So all the kids are coming.
Matt Edmundson:Basically, all the kids invite their mates and the parents
Matt Edmundson:to sort of get dragged along.
Matt Edmundson:Just hang out.
Matt Edmundson:That's normally how it works.
Matt Edmundson:Anyway, we digress.
Matt Edmundson:We talk about the fun and frolics of Christmas.
Matt Edmundson:Uh, but yeah, absolutely.
Matt Edmundson:Hope you had a good time.
Matt Edmundson:Uh, we are going to play John's talk.
Matt Edmundson:We're going to do that right now.
Matt Edmundson:After the talk, Sadaf and I will be back for Conversation Street.
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John Harding:starts.
John Harding:Right now.
John Harding:Hi there Crowd Church, a very happy Christmas to you and a
John Harding:very happy New Year to you.
John Harding:I hope that you have had a joyful, peaceful, Christ centred Christmas.
John Harding:Maybe, maybe not, maybe to some extent or another.
John Harding:I think it's funny the idea that Christmas might be entirely peaceful and joyful
John Harding:as if somehow we're entitled to that.
John Harding:There's so much out of our control, out of our influence, to
John Harding:ensure that our Christmas would be entirely joyful and peaceful.
John Harding:We can't control if the relatives are going to behave, or if the kids
John Harding:are going to have meltdowns or not.
John Harding:These things are not guaranteed to us.
John Harding:But I think we can focus on Jesus over Christmas.
John Harding:We can keep Him at the centre, and that's what makes Christmas, Christmas.
John Harding:That's what's making all the difference at Christmas.
John Harding:So focus on Him, don't get distracted from Him.
John Harding:So I hope you have had a joyful and peaceful Christmas, but most
John Harding:of all a Christ centred Christmas.
John Harding:And I hope you have a sense of faith and hope and vision.
John Harding:for this new year ahead of us.
John Harding:Faith, hope and vision for the new year ahead.
John Harding:Are you crazy, John?
John Harding:I am barely holding on.
John Harding:I have dragged myself kicking and screaming through 2023.
John Harding:I've just about fallen over the finish line.
John Harding:Faith, hope, vision for the year ahead.
John Harding:It will be a miracle if I don't kill someone by the end of next week.
John Harding:Well, yeah, I get it.
John Harding:Uh, life is like that, but I do think it's really important, I think it's really
John Harding:healthy, really good for our mental well being to take a moment at the end of
John Harding:one year, at the start of a new year, to pause, to reflect, to give thanks, and
John Harding:to listen to God for his perspective.
John Harding:That's something I always try to do in the space between Christmas and New Year.
John Harding:I don't want to share with you a lens Through which you can view
John Harding:the past, present and future.
John Harding:A little framework to help you reflect on the past and to find
John Harding:a focus for the year ahead.
John Harding:I'd really encourage you to mull on this, maybe journal
John Harding:on it over the next few days.
John Harding:I've been doing that and I've found that really, really helpful.
John Harding:So the lens, the framework is taken from Revelation chapter 1 verse 8.
John Harding:A man called John, a church leader, he was on an island off
John Harding:the coast of Greece called Patmos.
John Harding:He was there as a prisoner.
John Harding:This was a forced labour camp.
John Harding:His crime was to be a follower of Jesus.
John Harding:It was illegal in that place and in that time to do that.
John Harding:And it says in Revelation chapter 1 that John was worshipping the Lord
John Harding:with other believers on the Lord's Day.
John Harding:That's when he had a vision, a vision of Jesus.
John Harding:Jesus revealed himself to John, and Jesus said to John, Revelation 1.
John Harding:8, Jesus said, I am the Alpha and Omega, the one who is, the one who
John Harding:was, and the one who is to come.
John Harding:John had a vision of Jesus as the one who was.
John Harding:The one who is and the one who is to come.
John Harding:I want to encourage you to use that as a lens and a framework in this present
John Harding:moment to help us look back at what was, and to look ahead into what may come.
John Harding:So my first question is this, where was God in your past year?
John Harding:Where was God?
John Harding:What was he doing?
John Harding:What was he doing in you?
John Harding:What was he teaching you?
John Harding:How was he transforming and refining you?
John Harding:Where was God in your past year?
John Harding:Because he is the God who was.
John Harding:He is the God who was present.
John Harding:He was God in every moment.
John Harding:I think it's easy to look back at the year gone and make a list of good and bad.
John Harding:We might even rate the year.
John Harding:It was a good year, it was a bad year, it was an okay year,
John Harding:it was the worst year ever.
John Harding:I've lived through enough years to know that's always how it's going to be.
John Harding:Good stuff and bad stuff, uh, amazing highlights, crushing lows, every year
John Harding:I've ever lived has been a mixture of battle and breakthrough of joy and sorrow.
John Harding:So the real question, I think, is not how was your year.
John Harding:The real question is, where was God in it?
John Harding:Because I know, I know with every fibre and ounce of my being that,
John Harding:that God was there with you in every moment, however dark, however painful.
John Harding:I find that really helpful, I find it really redemptive to look back at some
John Harding:of the challenges of the past year and say, Okay, well, Lord, where were you?
John Harding:Where were you in that?
John Harding:What were you doing in me in the midst of all of that?
John Harding:How were you refining me and transforming me into your image?
John Harding:Now if you've faced major trauma or disaster in the past year,
John Harding:you might find it helpful to reflect on that with a counsellor.
John Harding:But for most of us, in the general ups and downs of life, I think it's really
John Harding:healthy, a really healthy process.
John Harding:I know it's helped me to just leave some of the past in the past.
John Harding:Because he is the God who was, and he is the God who is to come, the God
John Harding:who will be in each and every moment and every happening of the future.
John Harding:So how does that shape how we view the future, and how we plan for the future?
John Harding:Well, you know, it is good to set goals and targets for the year ahead, it can
John Harding:be good to do that, nothing wrong with it if you, like me, work In a certain
John Harding:setting you might have to set some goals and targets and write some stuff down and
John Harding:capture a map out where you want to head.
John Harding:Over the year, what you want to achieve in the year ahead.
John Harding:You might do that personally, you might set some resolutions, you might be well
John Harding:like, This year ahead I'm going to be healthier, I'm going to eat less meat, I'm
John Harding:going to train for a marathon, I'm going to take a course, I'm going to learn a new
John Harding:skill, I'm going to save up for something.
John Harding:Not bad things to do.
John Harding:And of course, God will be with you in all of those things,
John Harding:because that is his promise.
John Harding:He is always with us.
John Harding:But let me give you a little twist on that today, about
John Harding:thinking about the year ahead.
John Harding:From this verse in Revelation, we've, we've read it in Revelation chapter
John Harding:1, how Jesus is the one who was, and who is, and the one who is to come.
John Harding:He is God of the past, of the present, and he's God of the future.
John Harding:But there's this interesting switch that takes place in the book of Revelation.
John Harding:And 11, John has a vision of the very end of time.
John Harding:And in this vision of the end of time, If you're into the book of Revelation,
John Harding:the 7th trumpet has sounded, the 7th seal is open, at that moment, heaven
John Harding:fully descends to earth, Jesus returns as a conquering king riding a white
John Harding:horse accompanied by heaven's armies, heaven invades earth and all things
John Harding:are made new and perfected forever.
John Harding:There is a day that all of creation is waiting and longing for when Christ
John Harding:will return and make all things new.
John Harding:I believe it, I long for it, the longer I live, the more I become aware of
John Harding:the pain and the brokenness of the world, the more I find myself praying
John Harding:for that day, a day where sin and pain and death are finished forever.
John Harding:But this song that is sung in heaven of Jesus, the one who was and is
John Harding:and is to come, at this point in Revelation, chapter 11, from the
John Harding:moment that heaven invades earth.
John Harding:Verse 15 says, Revelation 15, the kingdom of this world has
John Harding:become the kingdom of our Lord.
John Harding:At that point, this song changes.
John Harding:And now the hosts of heaven are no longer singing to the one
John Harding:who was and is and is to come.
John Harding:Revelation 11, 17, they sing to the one who was.
John Harding:And who is?
John Harding:Same thing in Revelation 16.
John Harding:5, the angel says to Jesus, you who are, you who were.
John Harding:So the is to come bit gets dropped, it's no longer needed because in
John Harding:that moment, the future has arrived.
John Harding:The future is here, the job has been done.
John Harding:And when I read that in my Daily Readings last week, it really inspired
John Harding:me to think about the year ahead.
John Harding:To set some hopes and dreams and aspirations for the year ahead.
John Harding:You see The big goal, God's big ultimate outcome, is that heaven would invade
John Harding:earth forever, that's the end game.
John Harding:So in the past week or two, I've been trying to imagine that, reflect on that,
John Harding:what might it look like for more of heaven to invade earth over this coming year,
John Harding:to set some goals in the light of that.
John Harding:For more of heaven's peace to invade my life, because heaven
John Harding:is a place of perfect peace.
John Harding:For more of heaven's For to invade my life, because heaven
John Harding:is a place of perfect health.
John Harding:For more of heaven's joy to invade my life, because heaven
John Harding:is a place of perfect joy.
John Harding:And not just for heaven to be in me, but also through me
John Harding:and into the world around me.
John Harding:Somehow through me, more of heaven's justice would be outworked.
John Harding:That somehow more of heaven's provision would be released.
John Harding:Because injustice and, um, poverty are displaced as heaven invades earth.
John Harding:Just that little bit more.
John Harding:And if you think about it, as followers of Jesus, we are heaven to earth people.
John Harding:That's why at the core of our faith we pray, Father in heaven, whose name is
John Harding:holy, let your kingdom Let the kingdom of heaven, let your kingdom come to earth,
John Harding:and let your will, the will of heaven, be done on earth as it is in heaven.
John Harding:And Jesus says to us, pray, pray that it will be on earth as it is in heaven.
John Harding:Lord, may there be more peace in my family as there is peace in heaven.
John Harding:Lord, may there be the release of resourcing into Liverpool as
John Harding:we serve the poorest in our city.
John Harding:Let there be provision here on earth.
John Harding:As there is provision in heaven.
John Harding:So what might it look like this year, if each one of us committed to living Out,
John Harding:a little bit more of heaven on earth, bringing about a little bit more of heaven
John Harding:to earth, because he is the God who was, and the God who is to come, but he is
John Harding:also the God who is, he is the God who is, he is with you right now, he is the
John Harding:God in your present moment, he is with you right now, he is with you right now.
John Harding:Right now, whatever your present moment looks like, He is with you.
John Harding:He wants you to become more aware of His presence.
John Harding:He wants to bring His peace into this moment.
John Harding:His perspective into this moment.
John Harding:Just tune into Him right now.
John Harding:Just allow yourself to focus on Him and become more aware of Him.
John Harding:If it helps you as I'm talking, close your eyes.
John Harding:Maybe hold out your hands in front of you as a symbol to receive from him.
John Harding:And I want to finish just by praying for you at the start of this new year.
John Harding:A prayer of blessing.
John Harding:So let's pray, shall we?
John Harding:God, we thank you that you are with us right now.
John Harding:You have been with us every step of the way.
John Harding:There has never been a moment that you have not been with us.
John Harding:The God who is with us, the God who loves us, the God who is for us, the God
John Harding:who is present with us in every moment.
John Harding:And we thank you, Lord, that you are with us right now.
John Harding:And Lord, as we think about the future, we don't know what the future holds,
John Harding:but we know you hold the future.
John Harding:You are Alpha and Omega, you are Beginning and the End, you are First and Last.
John Harding:The God who who is to come.
John Harding:And so, Lord, as we think about this year ahead, Lord, give us a confidence that we
John Harding:might know you in every moment, that we might live out your kingdom, that heaven
John Harding:may invade earth in us and around us.
John Harding:Heavenly Father, let your kingdom come and let your will be done on earth as it
John Harding:is in heaven throughout this year ahead.
John Harding:In Jesus name we pray.
John Harding:Amen.
Matt Edmundson:Well, welcome back.
Matt Edmundson:What a great talk by John.
Matt Edmundson:That was really good.
Matt Edmundson:I got lots of notes, actually.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know about you.
Matt Edmundson:I've always done this thing where Probably until about 10 years ago, maybe 7, 8, 9.
Matt Edmundson:It was until a recent time.
Matt Edmundson:At some point in my 40s, I decided to stop doing it.
Matt Edmundson:But every year I think about my resolutions for the year ahead.
Matt Edmundson:And I would set these targets and set these goals for the year ahead.
Matt Edmundson:Um, and actually listening to John talk, I've kind of understood
Matt Edmundson:why I've stopped doing them.
Matt Edmundson:Why they kind of felt like I don't know, they weren't quite meeting
Matt Edmundson:the mark, if that makes sense.
Matt Edmundson:Um, but yeah, so we're going to get into that.
Matt Edmundson:Do you set, did you, do you, while you're coughing.
Matt Edmundson:Uh, just bring it, just come a little bit over here.
Matt Edmundson:Don't be on so much of the edge.
Matt Edmundson:There you go, don't be afraid.
Matt Edmundson:All right, there we go.
Matt Edmundson:Um, hopefully I don't smell.
Matt Edmundson:No.
Matt Edmundson:So let's talk about New Year's resolutions.
Matt Edmundson:Have you ever set any?
Sadaf Beynon:Um, yeah, yeah, I used to, but I don't anymore, because it
Sadaf Beynon:feels like it lasts for about a week.
Sadaf Beynon:And also they're quite, um, they last that long?
Sadaf Beynon:Yeah.
Sadaf Beynon:Um, if that.
Sadaf Beynon:Um, I think they were also quite, uh, I don't know how to, uh,
Sadaf Beynon:how to word it actually, but quite superficial in some sense.
Sadaf Beynon:I think, um, like what John's talked about today, there's so much
Sadaf Beynon:more weight to what he's saying.
Sadaf Beynon:Yeah.
Sadaf Beynon:What you want to focus on for the year ahead and what you want to think
Sadaf Beynon:about and how you want to frame it.
Sadaf Beynon:Um, so
Matt Edmundson:yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:No, very, I like you very, I found that I just, the traditional
Matt Edmundson:resolutions, uh, want to get fit.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Lose weight.
Matt Edmundson:Stop eating as much chocolate.
Matt Edmundson:Mm hmm.
Matt Edmundson:Um, and then he's, like you say, last about a week and then you've just,
Matt Edmundson:you're just totally forgotten about them.
Matt Edmundson:Um, and then I started to realize, actually, I don't need to wait
Matt Edmundson:until the other thing I find myself doing is waiting for new year.
Matt Edmundson:So you just.
Matt Edmundson:You'd go totally nuts in December.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Okay, and then I'll
Sadaf Beynon:make some resolutions in the new year.
Sadaf Beynon:I'm back till the 31st.
Matt Edmundson:Well, actually, no, you can just start right where
Matt Edmundson:you are right now, and that's probably the best thing to do.
Matt Edmundson:So John's talked the three lenses, the God who was, the God who
Matt Edmundson:is, and the God who is to come.
Matt Edmundson:So his first question, where was God in you all last year?
Matt Edmundson:Got any stories about that?
Sadaf Beynon:God was very present in my last year.
Sadaf Beynon:I have, I've had a lot of, um, really wonderful experiences of
Sadaf Beynon:reconnecting with family and old friends, um, like throughout the
Sadaf Beynon:year, I think it's been marked by that, which has been really nice.
Sadaf Beynon:Um, and, um, it really does help you kind of keep going.
Sadaf Beynon:So yeah, I would say I would
Matt Edmundson:say that.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Matt Edmundson:It's been a, I think it's when you look back over 2023, it's definitely
Matt Edmundson:been a mixed bag for a lot of people.
Matt Edmundson:Um, and I think I would probably say it's fair for us
Matt Edmundson:actually, it's been a mixed bag.
Matt Edmundson:There's been some good things, there's been some bad things, like John
Matt Edmundson:said, you could almost make a list.
Matt Edmundson:The good, the bad, and which one, therefore, if there's more in the
Matt Edmundson:good column, it was it a good year?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Do you know what I mean?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Um, but rather reframing it and going actually, whether it was good or whether
Matt Edmundson:it was bad, God, where were you in that?
Matt Edmundson:Mm hmm.
Matt Edmundson:And.
Matt Edmundson:I was, uh, someone, I was replying to a text earlier, someone sent
Matt Edmundson:through, um, and she mentioned in the text, uh, that it felt for her life
Matt Edmundson:was a lot like Groundhog Day, right?
Matt Edmundson:Like she was just repeating the same thing.
Matt Edmundson:She was on this treadmill trying to get a new job, um, just sick kids, um,
Matt Edmundson:trying to get a job at the same time was in this cycle of she couldn't get a job
Matt Edmundson:cause she didn't have the experience.
Matt Edmundson:But, but no, if they gave her the job, she would come up to speed very quickly.
Matt Edmundson:So without the job, she can't get the experience.
Matt Edmundson:And so it was a catch 22 situation for her, caught in the same cycle that I think
Matt Edmundson:a lot of people have found themselves in, especially in the UK with the cost
Matt Edmundson:of living where her rent is going up and up and up and it becomes problematic.
Matt Edmundson:She uses phrases just like I'm on a treadmill, it feels like Groundhog Day.
Matt Edmundson:Which I thought was a really interesting way to sort of phrase it, I don't
Matt Edmundson:know if you've ever seen, have you seen the movie, Groundhog Day?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I don't
Sadaf Beynon:like it.
Sadaf Beynon:You don't like Groundhog Day?
Sadaf Beynon:No, I don't.
Sadaf Beynon:What's wrong with you?
Sadaf Beynon:It's just, it just goes around in circles far too many times.
Matt Edmundson:I think there's the point, and Sadaf is here,
Sadaf Beynon:and you missed it, so we have the point here, and you're way over
Matt Edmundson:there.
Matt Edmundson:I really like the movie Groundhog Day.
Matt Edmundson:Um, and it's, it's always interesting.
Matt Edmundson:It's like, you know, a lot of the conversations that came out of that
Matt Edmundson:movie were if you were going to have a day like that repeat over and over
Matt Edmundson:and over again, um, what would you do?
Matt Edmundson:What would you learn?
Matt Edmundson:And what was interesting about that movie?
Matt Edmundson:I was thinking about this when, when I was responding to that text
Matt Edmundson:message, because in a lot of ways.
Matt Edmundson:If I was living in a day that really was truly repeating, I don't know if
Matt Edmundson:I, how would I feel about work that I'd done that day, just not counting
Matt Edmundson:for anything, do you know what I mean?
Matt Edmundson:And then having to do that day in, day out.
Matt Edmundson:But actually the key for me in that film was when his heart
Matt Edmundson:changed, his life changed.
Matt Edmundson:And it was what he learned on the journey.
Matt Edmundson:And I think actually this is probably what John's trying to say, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:In the sense that on the journey, on the way through.
Matt Edmundson:Over the year, God, where were you?
Matt Edmundson:What did I learn?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:You know, you were with me throughout all of that.
Matt Edmundson:I might not always have felt it.
Matt Edmundson:I might not have always understood it.
Matt Edmundson:There were good times.
Matt Edmundson:There were bad times.
Matt Edmundson:But what have I learned as a character?
Matt Edmundson:And um, I think that's a really interesting question, you know,
Matt Edmundson:what's the, what's the big thing God's taught you in 2023?
Matt Edmundson:Um, we've not planned for these questions, by the way, and I appreciate
Matt Edmundson:I'm totally springing them on
Sadaf Beynon:you.
Sadaf Beynon:No, that's fine.
Sadaf Beynon:Um, I'm okay with that.
Sadaf Beynon:Um, yeah, I think.
Sadaf Beynon:Something that I've been reflecting on recently is, um, how I choose to obey God.
Sadaf Beynon:So there'll be parts of the Bible that I'm like, yeah, okay,
Sadaf Beynon:we'll open that another day.
Sadaf Beynon:But you know, it's like when, when God asks you to do something, I want
Matt Edmundson:to know which part, we
Sadaf Beynon:won't record that one.
Sadaf Beynon:No.
Sadaf Beynon:Um, uh, so yeah, when God asks you to do something, or if he changes the
Sadaf Beynon:plans that you had, your carefully, you know, laid out plans, and he changes
Sadaf Beynon:them, um, our, our, um, Obligation, can I say, is to obey Him, is to
Sadaf Beynon:do whatever He's asking us to do.
Sadaf Beynon:The outcome is not in my control.
Sadaf Beynon:And it's not my problem.
Sadaf Beynon:I have to obey the Lord in the here and now, and what comes, comes.
Sadaf Beynon:And the Lord's in that.
Sadaf Beynon:And trusting that process.
Sadaf Beynon:Yeah, it has.
Sadaf Beynon:So yeah, I've been reflecting on that, that there's, you know,
Sadaf Beynon:some parts, yeah, no problem.
Sadaf Beynon:Other parts, like, yeah, we'll just open up a different part of the Bible.
Sadaf Beynon:But now I'm out.
Sadaf Beynon:Yeah.
Sadaf Beynon:No, but I mean, like, I know, that sounds like I'm ignoring parts of the Bible.
Sadaf Beynon:I'm not.
Sadaf Beynon:And the reason that I'm reflecting on it is because I'm very aware of what's
Sadaf Beynon:there and what the Lord's asking me to do.
Sadaf Beynon:And I'm just, um, Taking my sweet time, which again is not right,
Sadaf Beynon:but it's something I am, to be fair, being refined and reformed
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:But to be fair, it's what we all do, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:It's not.
Matt Edmundson:This is not just you and getting, and I think we're all
Matt Edmundson:very much works in progress.
Matt Edmundson:Thank, thank the Lord for grace.
Matt Edmundson:Mm-Hmm.
Matt Edmundson:. But it's an interesting point, isn't it's, I think there is something,
Matt Edmundson:people find it really hard, I think if you're not in church or if you're
Matt Edmundson:outside of church, to, to look at the Bible and accept that this is God.
Matt Edmundson:Mm-hmm.
Matt Edmundson:God's Word and the actually obedience to it is probably a smart thing to do.
Matt Edmundson:Can seem counterintuitive.
Matt Edmundson:It can seem complicated.
Matt Edmundson:It can seem like it's destroying your fun.
Matt Edmundson:It's like, there's a million reasons why I think you wouldn't do this if
Matt Edmundson:you're outside of the church, why this actually sounds really odd and why
Matt Edmundson:people think it leads to dogma, it leads to intolerance and so on and so forth.
Matt Edmundson:But here's the thing that I, I find immensely freeing about this.
Matt Edmundson:Everybody I speak to, and I'm going through my head thinking it's
Matt Edmundson:everybody that I speak to that is going through something in life.
Matt Edmundson:You've got to come to a point where you realize you are not in control.
Matt Edmundson:Now that doesn't mean to say you cannot control response.
Matt Edmundson:As in how you respond to things, which I think you totally can, you can
Matt Edmundson:choose how you respond to things, but I cannot control the situations in life.
Matt Edmundson:And actually, when a lot of stuff happens, it usually happens either
Matt Edmundson:because we've been stupid, we've made some foolish decisions or it's
Matt Edmundson:extenuating circumstances, there are circumstances beyond our control.
Matt Edmundson:So, uh, I speak with one guy on a regular basis, suffers from severe mental illness.
Matt Edmundson:always looking to blame somebody else for his problems and he often uses this
Matt Edmundson:phrase I was in total control and it freaks him out that he's not in control
Matt Edmundson:and I'm part of my conversation is you had no control whatsoever it was an
Matt Edmundson:illusion yeah I mean yeah and the reason I mention this is because actually when
Matt Edmundson:you when you say I think when you get to a point of submission which says
Matt Edmundson:God Not my will, but your will be done.
Matt Edmundson:In other words, let me do what you've told me to do.
Matt Edmundson:Focus on that as best as I can.
Matt Edmundson:Not get too caught up in the outcome because that's, you
Matt Edmundson:know, that's your responsibility.
Matt Edmundson:That actually becomes immensely freeing because that's the one, that's
Matt Edmundson:one thing that I can choose to do.
Matt Edmundson:I can choose to obey God.
Matt Edmundson:I can't control my life, but in obedience to God, I can trust God for the outcome.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Does that make sense?
Matt Edmundson:Totally.
Matt Edmundson:And I think.
Matt Edmundson:There is a liberation in that that is quite extraordinary.
Matt Edmundson:I think it's a good lesson to learn.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I think we're all learning it.
Matt Edmundson:If you figure it out, let us know.
Sadaf Beynon:Watch this
Matt Edmundson:space.
Matt Edmundson:Next week on Crowd Church.
Matt Edmundson:Sadaf gives us the five top tips on how to fully obey God in your life.
Matt Edmundson:The following week, Jeff is going to come on.
Matt Edmundson:Jeff is her husband.
Matt Edmundson:And tell us what really happens behind the scenes.
Matt Edmundson:I think it's a really good lesson, a really good lesson.
Matt Edmundson:I think for me in 2023, if I look back, if I reflect on it, the one thing that
Matt Edmundson:I think we have grown in where I see God really working in us as a family.
Matt Edmundson:It's actually in the whole community aspect, so we've always, I say always,
Matt Edmundson:ever since we've been married, we've had people live with us, um, roommates,
Matt Edmundson:lodgers, whatever you want to call them, um, and we've always, we've always done
Matt Edmundson:extended family, and I think as, as we're getting older and more experienced
Matt Edmundson:in life, I think we're doing extended family better, if that makes sense, so
Matt Edmundson:when you're in your early 20s, living with someone in their early 20s, it's
Matt Edmundson:kind of like, well, we're just mates.
Matt Edmundson:Um, but as I'm approaching 50, I've approached 50, I've gone past 50.
Matt Edmundson:That's why I'm in 2023.
Matt Edmundson:I went straight through that number.
Matt Edmundson:Um, I think it, the thing that I've noticed is, and one of the things I think
Matt Edmundson:God has been speaking about to me over the last few years is, is you become much more
Matt Edmundson:of a father figure to a lot more people.
Matt Edmundson:Um.
Matt Edmundson:Which is kind of cool.
Matt Edmundson:And so just doing that extended family an awful lot better.
Matt Edmundson:Like it was really cool.
Matt Edmundson:You guys came and joined us on whenever it was two weeks ago,
Matt Edmundson:the first Saturday of December.
Matt Edmundson:That, I love that.
Matt Edmundson:And I think we've done that much more intentionally in 2023 when we've had
Matt Edmundson:people connect with us a lot more in 2023, which has been awesome.
Matt Edmundson:So yeah.
Sadaf Beynon:Yeah.
Sadaf Beynon:You and the Edmundsons are so great.
Sadaf Beynon:Awesome.
Sadaf Beynon:They are also very great.
Sadaf Beynon:We're so humble as well.
Sadaf Beynon:Yeah.
Sadaf Beynon:No, honestly, the fact that I can just invite myself over for New Year's Eve.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:No one's going to be in.
Sadaf Beynon:They're going to knock on the door.
Sadaf Beynon:I'm still coming.
Sadaf Beynon:Um, yeah, brilliant.
Sadaf Beynon:You guys are wonderful like that.
Matt Edmundson:But I think it's one of those things that God's been teaching
Matt Edmundson:us, you know, uh, and drawn us into.
Matt Edmundson:So yeah, 2023.
Matt Edmundson:And I think if I reflect on some of the harder times in 2023, one of the things
Matt Edmundson:that I, I won't go through them, maybe not the right time or place, but I, I
Matt Edmundson:think one of the things that I noticed that made the hard times harder or easier.
Matt Edmundson:Does that make sense?
Matt Edmundson:Uh, so I could, if I'm going through something, the way I make it harder is
Matt Edmundson:to not create space to hear God, right?
Matt Edmundson:To not go, God, where are you in this?
Matt Edmundson:What are you saying?
Matt Edmundson:What's the right direction here?
Matt Edmundson:To get some sense of what God is doing in the midst of what I'm going through.
Matt Edmundson:And I tend to find that I can become so busy that that's very easy to.
Matt Edmundson:And before you know it, four weeks have gone past and you're like, well, you know,
Matt Edmundson:I've prayed, I've read my Bible, but have I, have I really had any sort of good sort
Matt Edmundson:of conversation with any quality time?
Matt Edmundson:I don't, you know, I talk to my wife every day, you know, we connect
Matt Edmundson:every day, but if we don't, if we don't intentionally spend time
Matt Edmundson:together, it's very superficial.
Matt Edmundson:Do you know what I mean?
Matt Edmundson:So I'd say that's another learning.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Sadaf Beynon:I've actually, I have a list in my, in my prayer journal of things
Sadaf Beynon:that I still need to talk to God about.
Sadaf Beynon:I've written them down as just finding the time and space, like you say, I need to
Sadaf Beynon:go and you know, see what the Lord has for
Matt Edmundson:me in this.
Matt Edmundson:Dave Connolly, bless him.
Matt Edmundson:If you're a regular to Crowd, you'll know who Dave is.
Matt Edmundson:If you're not a regular to Crowd, stay tuned in, you'll find out who he
Matt Edmundson:is because he is a regular on Crowd.
Matt Edmundson:David's a legend, founder of the church that John is now the senior pastor of,
Matt Edmundson:Frontline Church, um, awesome guy, father figure to me, absolute legend, took me, he
Matt Edmundson:said, Matt, let's go grab a coffee, went and had a coffee with him last week, just
Matt Edmundson:trying to remember when it was, and he's like, right, God's given me a word for
Matt Edmundson:you, I just was writing it down, streams, and basically started off with, you need
Matt Edmundson:to go and find a way to create more space.
Matt Edmundson:Awesome.
Matt Edmundson:Okay, thanks, Dave.
Matt Edmundson:Appreciate that.
Matt Edmundson:It was right too.
Matt Edmundson:Um, and so, you know, thank God for Dave Connolly.
Matt Edmundson:That's all I'm saying.
Matt Edmundson:Uh, so, uh, the screen's gone blank and it's your computer.
Matt Edmundson:So I've no idea what the next, uh, the God who was, uh, the God who is to come.
Matt Edmundson:So the God of the future.
Matt Edmundson:Uh, I'm looking forward to the future, which was an interesting question.
Matt Edmundson:How can you bring more of heaven to earth in 2024?
Matt Edmundson:Um.
Sadaf Beynon:I think, like, reflecting on what John was saying, my thought
Sadaf Beynon:was, like, how we plan and prepare for what's in 2024 or in the coming
Sadaf Beynon:year, how much of that is actually, um, gonna, how much of that are we
Sadaf Beynon:actually taking to heaven with us?
Sadaf Beynon:How much of that is here and now the material and how much of that
Sadaf Beynon:is actually character building?
Sadaf Beynon:How much of it?
Sadaf Beynon:Yeah.
Sadaf Beynon:And I think for me personally, I would want the majority of my planning and
Sadaf Beynon:preparation to be for, um, planning for heaven, that my character is, as
Sadaf Beynon:he said earlier, like, you know, we use the words being reformed and refined.
Sadaf Beynon:I would want more of that.
Sadaf Beynon:And sure, that probably welcomes a lot of, um, lows in the new
Sadaf Beynon:year, but I'm okay with that.
Sadaf Beynon:As John said, you know, you, you get, you get a mix of both and, um, yeah, so
Sadaf Beynon:I have not had the time and space, the word keeps coming up, um, to think about
Sadaf Beynon:what I want to do in the new year or what I, what, you know, I want to plan
Sadaf Beynon:and prepare for, but that is something I will definitely be taking with me.
Sadaf Beynon:Um,
Matt Edmundson:yeah, yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, that's a good question.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know.
Matt Edmundson:So I think I did say to Sharon the other day that I wanted to take some time
Matt Edmundson:out and just really spend a few days.
Matt Edmundson:I might just go up some hills somewhere, take a tent.
Matt Edmundson:I know it's January.
Matt Edmundson:I would go stay in a hotel or something.
Matt Edmundson:Wander around, do some long walks, clear my head, connect with God,
Matt Edmundson:have some good conversations.
Matt Edmundson:I think if I think about 2024, on the whole, I'm pretty excited.
Matt Edmundson:Um, I mean, you and I work together, so, you know, the company that we're involved
Matt Edmundson:with, I see what's going to happen.
Matt Edmundson:But in my head, I see what's going to happen, but the reality will be
Matt Edmundson:very, very different, obviously.
Matt Edmundson:Um, but I, I do, I'm excited about as a company where we're going
Matt Edmundson:in 2024, I'm excited about Crowd Church 2024, seeing what God does.
Matt Edmundson:Um, but I think in terms of areas that I want to intentionally grow in,
Matt Edmundson:in 2024, the big one for me, I think there's two things that are on my list.
Matt Edmundson:Okay.
Matt Edmundson:One is gratitude, uh, and actually, uh, just as a short heads up in hopefully next
Matt Edmundson:year, it depends, because we've got this new teaching series coming up, haven't we?
Matt Edmundson:The Healthy Christian.
Matt Edmundson:Uh, it may change its name, but we might as well call it The Healthy Christian.
Matt Edmundson:What does it mean to be a healthy Christian?
Matt Edmundson:What does wellness look like as a Christian?
Matt Edmundson:It's not a few weeks worth of teaching.
Matt Edmundson:There's a lot, there's a lot we're going to get into, um, and that's probably going
Matt Edmundson:to take, if I, if it doesn't take all of the year, it's going to take most of it.
Matt Edmundson:I think we've got five parts, that teaching series and part
Matt Edmundson:one takes us up to August.
Matt Edmundson:Uh, yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Almost.
Sadaf Beynon:June or July, I can't
Matt Edmundson:remember.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Matt Edmundson:It's like a few weeks away from the non live livestreams in August, I think.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:So I'm looking at it.
Matt Edmundson:So, but once this is finished, there is a really strong chance we're going
Matt Edmundson:to do a lot of stuff on gratitude.
Matt Edmundson:Um, and see where that takes us.
Matt Edmundson:It may be even a separate devotional thing that we do.
Matt Edmundson:Cause I'm really keen to, to dig into this topic a little bit more.
Matt Edmundson:Um, we've been writing behind the scenes.
Matt Edmundson:Not many people know this, but we've been writing, writing, writing,
Matt Edmundson:writing, uh, we've been writing a gratitude journal, um, that
Matt Edmundson:people will be able to buy.
Matt Edmundson:Um, specifically aimed at Christians, um, and what does it
Matt Edmundson:mean to be people of gratitude?
Matt Edmundson:And the Bible tells us that is God's will, that we are grateful.
Matt Edmundson:I mean, that's quite insane, isn't it really?
Matt Edmundson:Um, so really want to grow in gratitude.
Matt Edmundson:Um, and the other thing that I really want to spend some time looking at next
Matt Edmundson:year, maybe the second half of last year, once I've, once I've got through the
Matt Edmundson:gratitude stuff, uh, will be identity.
Matt Edmundson:Okay.
Matt Edmundson:Okay.
Matt Edmundson:So when.
Matt Edmundson:When I first became a Christian, so we're going back to the early nineties now.
Matt Edmundson:There was a, I don't know if you remember this, there was a big
Matt Edmundson:thing about who you are in Christ.
Matt Edmundson:It was the big question.
Matt Edmundson:Do you remember the guy in Love Flight?
Matt Edmundson:You weren't even born then, were you?
Matt Edmundson:That
Sadaf Beynon:was
Matt Edmundson:a big thing about who you are in Christ.
Matt Edmundson:The whole question about who you are in Christ, who, what is your identity as a,
Matt Edmundson:you know, where do you find your identity?
Matt Edmundson:And so in my early Christian years, we did this whole thing on finding
Matt Edmundson:your identity in Christ, which was so life giving and so amazing.
Matt Edmundson:And I think it's been so foundational for us.
Matt Edmundson:We looked at books like, um, Victory Over the Darkness by Neal T.
Matt Edmundson:Anderson and things like that.
Matt Edmundson:Amazing books, amazing, amazing books.
Matt Edmundson:Very freeing.
Matt Edmundson:Um, especially because I, you know, I had, I had a past that I
Matt Edmundson:became a Christian when I was 18.
Matt Edmundson:There was some stuff I needed to deal with.
Matt Edmundson:Just amazing stuff in there, but that was like 30 years ago, and I think one
Matt Edmundson:is going to be good to revisit it, and two, I'm, I was really intrigued by a
Matt Edmundson:conversation with Carey Newhoff and Tim Keller before he passed away, so Tim
Matt Edmundson:Keller, if you don't know, he passed away recently, he was the senior pastor
Matt Edmundson:at Redeemer Church in New York, very well known speaker, very respected,
Matt Edmundson:um, incredible, very gifted speaker.
Matt Edmundson:I mean, just loved Tim Keller and what he stood for, man of
Matt Edmundson:integrity and so on and so forth.
Matt Edmundson:Great guy.
Matt Edmundson:He did an interview with a chap called Kerry Newhoff, who's a
Matt Edmundson:podcaster, a pastor, no, an ex pastor now, I think, and a podcaster.
Matt Edmundson:I was listening to Kerry interview him and said to Tim, if you were starting
Matt Edmundson:all again today, what would you do?
Matt Edmundson:You know, if you're going to plant a church in New York, he said he would
Matt Edmundson:spend all his time talking about identity.
Matt Edmundson:That's interesting.
Matt Edmundson:Which I thought, that's when the light bulbs went off for me.
Matt Edmundson:And so, um, I thought it would be good to get into that.
Matt Edmundson:So after gratitude is identity.
Matt Edmundson:Okay.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, that's for me.
Matt Edmundson:That's for me.
Matt Edmundson:So what about you?
Matt Edmundson:What does 2024 look like?
Matt Edmundson:How is God going to use you to bring more heaven to earth?
Matt Edmundson:Maybe for some of you, actually, that's just taking the next
Matt Edmundson:step on your Christian journey.
Matt Edmundson:I know a lot of people watching this don't, are unchurched people,
Matt Edmundson:don't go to church, wouldn't really profess to have a Christian faith.
Matt Edmundson:That's cool, man.
Matt Edmundson:Uh, you're welcome here.
Matt Edmundson:We love, we love, uh, having you at Crowd and feel free to ask your questions,
Matt Edmundson:WhatsApp us, we'd love to hear from you.
Matt Edmundson:Uh, but I also appreciate that you are definitely on a journey.
Matt Edmundson:And so for some of you, you may be on a scale of one to 10,
Matt Edmundson:you know, between one being.
Matt Edmundson:Uh, like, you know, the Apostle Paul before he met Jesus, just like
Matt Edmundson:so anti faith, Richard Dawkins.
Matt Edmundson:Well, he'd maybe be number two, number three.
Matt Edmundson:I don't think he's killing people.
Matt Edmundson:No,
Sadaf Beynon:not that we know of.
Matt Edmundson:So you, all the way to, you know, number 10, the Tim Kellers
Matt Edmundson:of this world, you know, where you are in your sort of journey, uh, in faith,
Matt Edmundson:you may be at a number two, maybe at a number three, maybe your aim for
Matt Edmundson:2024 is to go from a three to a four.
Matt Edmundson:Maybe if you're at step seven, you know, you like me, I'd probably put
Matt Edmundson:myself at maybe a seven on that journey.
Matt Edmundson:How do I get from a seven to a 7.
Matt Edmundson:125?
Matt Edmundson:Um, what takes us further on, on that journey in Jesus?
Matt Edmundson:I think it's always a really important question.
Matt Edmundson:You know, God, what, what have you got planned?
Matt Edmundson:And I think that's really, that's really key.
Matt Edmundson:And I like what you said Sadaf about, I can build the material stuff.
Matt Edmundson:Can't really take that with me.
Matt Edmundson:I mean, that's a, I think that's a side effect.
Matt Edmundson:I mean, I can't diminish the value of it, but I, it can't be all that life's about.
Matt Edmundson:I mean, there's got to be more to it than that.
Matt Edmundson:So wherever you are on the journey, it's great that you're here with us.
Matt Edmundson:Anything else on what John said?
Matt Edmundson:You took way more.
Matt Edmundson:My notes here look empty.
Matt Edmundson:Sadaf's notes.
Matt Edmundson:To be fair, I typed them out on the computer before it went off.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Sadaf Beynon:I did like how he pointed out in Revelation 11 where.
Sadaf Beynon:They are in the future, and Jesus is the one who was and is.
Sadaf Beynon:I like that.
Sadaf Beynon:That's something to look forward to, for sure,
Matt Edmundson:which is exciting.
Matt Edmundson:You're looking forward to it?
Matt Edmundson:I mean, it's not a stupid question.
Matt Edmundson:I genuinely, I think it's a really interesting question to ask Christians.
Sadaf Beynon:Yeah, I absolutely am.
Sadaf Beynon:Why?
Sadaf Beynon:Uh, well, um, I want to see Jesus face to face.
Sadaf Beynon:I want to see my parents again.
Sadaf Beynon:I want to see a lot of other.
Sadaf Beynon:Friends and family that have gone before and, um, it's going to be perfect and,
Sadaf Beynon:uh, I won't have any problem loving other people because they will also be perfect.
Sadaf Beynon:So that is good because now, you know, it's hard work sometimes.
Sadaf Beynon:Um, yeah,
Matt Edmundson:I just love, I can just hear you saying to, uh,
Matt Edmundson:maybe I'm just going to pick on Jeff, maybe to Jeff on an occasion.
Matt Edmundson:Jeff.
Matt Edmundson:You're going to be so much easier to like when you're in heaven.
Sadaf Beynon:With all my crayons, I mustn't forget my
Matt Edmundson:crayons.
Matt Edmundson:That's awesome.
Matt Edmundson:You know what I'm going to do when I get to heaven?
Matt Edmundson:I'm going to slide down those streets in my socks.
Sadaf Beynon:Of course you are.
Matt Edmundson:I heard a speaker say that once and I thought, you know what?
Matt Edmundson:That is perfect.
Matt Edmundson:I just, I am so looking forward.
Matt Edmundson:Because the Bible talks about having streets of gold, you know, paved with
Matt Edmundson:diamonds and all kinds of things.
Matt Edmundson:And I'm just so looking forward just to sliding down those things in my socks.
Matt Edmundson:Because I think that me and your kids will be doing it.
Matt Edmundson:Hudson and
Sadaf Beynon:Lincoln, we're going to be
Matt Edmundson:like, come on Matt, let's do it again.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, let's do it again.
Sadaf Beynon:Yeah, that would be
Matt Edmundson:good.
Matt Edmundson:I'm very much looking forward to heaven.
Matt Edmundson:I really am.
Matt Edmundson:But it's interesting, isn't it, because there's this real tension.
Matt Edmundson:Between looking forward to heaven and then not wishing your life away, uh,
Matt Edmundson:which you have to hold, uh, maybe we should do something on that at some point.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, it was really interesting.
Matt Edmundson:So 2024, we hope it is a fantastic year for you.
Matt Edmundson:But more than that, whether it's good or whether it's bad, prayer is that you
Matt Edmundson:just see God in whatever you're doing, that your experience with God grows,
Matt Edmundson:that your journey with God grows, and that you know him more and more in 2024.
Matt Edmundson:And I think if we all do that.
Matt Edmundson:Life's ultimately good.
Matt Edmundson:So anything else from you?
Matt Edmundson:No, I'm good.
Matt Edmundson:Awesome.
Matt Edmundson:Well, that's it for me.
Matt Edmundson:That's it from Sadaf.
Matt Edmundson:Thank you so much for joining us on the non live live stream.
Matt Edmundson:Thanks for all your comments.
Matt Edmundson:I'm saying that assuming that people maybe not, no one's watching this.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know.
Matt Edmundson:But if you have written a comment, it's great that you joined in.
Matt Edmundson:Do come and join us on our actual live stream.
Matt Edmundson:I'm thinking a week ahead of When this is going to come out and it's
Matt Edmundson:going to be live, I'm looking at you.
Matt Edmundson:Um, it is.
Matt Edmundson:Yes.
Matt Edmundson:It is.
Matt Edmundson:Yes,
Matt Edmundson:yes it is.
Matt Edmundson:Sadaf said a production, that's why I'm looking at Sadaf.
Matt Edmundson:So we are back to our livestreams next week.
Matt Edmundson:I'd love to tell you who's hosting, but I genuinely have no idea.
Matt Edmundson:It might be me, it might be somebody
Sadaf Beynon:else.
Sadaf Beynon:I think it's you, no.
Sadaf Beynon:Me and Anna.
Sadaf Beynon:No, you're speaking.
Sadaf Beynon:I'm not.
Sadaf Beynon:Not speaking.
Sadaf Beynon:No, I don't think so.
Sadaf Beynon:He is not speaking.
Sadaf Beynon:It will, uh, yeah, you'll find out, it's all going to be very exciting.
Matt Edmundson:It's our attention to detail that everybody loves, right?
Matt Edmundson:Uh, we're just throwing off because we're recording this in advance.
Matt Edmundson:Um, but yeah, do come join us, 6pm, like I say, here in the UK,
Matt Edmundson:1pm Eastern, 8, no, 10am, we said, uh, on the, uh, eastern coast.
Matt Edmundson:Uh, so yeah, uh, no, west coast.
Matt Edmundson:West coast.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Time zones in America, right, Matthew?
Matt Edmundson:Yes, wherever you are in the world, do come join us.
Matt Edmundson:We'd love to see you in the live stream.
Matt Edmundson:It'd be great to hear from you.
Matt Edmundson:Like I say, any questions, any comments, you can reach us on the
Matt Edmundson:website or through the website, www.
Matt Edmundson:crowd.
Matt Edmundson:church.
Matt Edmundson:You can get a hold of us on social media at crowdchurch.
Matt Edmundson:org.
Matt Edmundson:Uh, and on the website, there's also a WhatsApp number, which you can
Matt Edmundson:text through your prayer requests.
Matt Edmundson:I know some people do try to call it.
Matt Edmundson:It's not a calling number.
Matt Edmundson:It's a texting number.
Matt Edmundson:So just text your messages, uh, on there and we'll try and respond
Matt Edmundson:to you as quickly as we can.
Matt Edmundson:Uh, but I think that's it from me.
Matt Edmundson:I think that's it from Sadaf.
Matt Edmundson:I think all that's left to say is Happy New Year.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, Happy New Year.
Matt Edmundson:Hope it's a good one.
Matt Edmundson:We'll see you in 2024.
Matt Edmundson:Bye for now.