The end is not here (yet)!!! At least I don't think it is...we are even near an ATH (all time high) for bitcoin. But now - before the bull market ends - is the time to determine your exit strategy - or even if you should exit.
Listen is as I talk about how I messed up the 2017/2018 bear market and what you can do to maximize your gains during tough times.
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Speaker:Welcome to the generational wealth with cryptocurrency podcast.
Speaker:I'm your host McIntosh.
Speaker:And today we're going to be talking about what you should do during a bear market.
Speaker:Now, given that we are very close to an all time high, uh, for Bitcoin, currently
Speaker:the price is 62777 so almost 63,000 actually briefly touched 63,000 earlier
Speaker:tonight, all time high is like 41, excuse me, 64, five, roughly, depending
Speaker:on what exchange you were using, it's an odd topic, maybe to talk about what
Speaker:to do during a bear market, but I want you thinking about it now because.
Speaker:You don't want to wait till the bear market starts to be determining your
Speaker:strategy about what you're going to do during that bear market.
Speaker:I'm going to talk about for just a minute, what happened during the last bear
Speaker:market and how I incorrectly handled that as a example of what not to do.
Speaker:So the last bear market was in 20, uh, let's see, 20, 2017 and 2018, it started
Speaker:at the very end of 2017, really the Bitcoin price topped out in
Speaker:December at roughly $20,000.
Speaker:The alt coins, uh, Ethereum and whatever they topped out in January.
Speaker:Now I was heavily involved in that market.
Speaker:I was trading, I was, you know, buying coins, stacking, stacking sats.
Speaker:We didn't say it back then, but you know, doing the things and we get to the top
Speaker:and I probably wasn't getting the right advice, uh, from the right people.
Speaker:And I froze ever seen a deer in a headlights, it's what I felt like.
Speaker:I didn't know what to do.
Speaker:The market was dropping and it dropped fairly quickly, um, over
Speaker:those first few months and I didn't sell, uh, which, uh, selling would have been
Speaker:one strategy you can try and time the top and sell the top or sell near the
Speaker:top and then buy in at the bottom, hopefully make more coin, but you know,
Speaker:make more coin, that's certainly a valid strategy.
Speaker:I didn't do that.
Speaker:Um, I held and then I held and held and held for, you know, the next two years
Speaker:and saw my portfolio value go down probably 85% or more, maybe, um, you
Speaker:know, which is roughly what the market went down and to be honest, it was,
Speaker:it was not an easy time for me.
Speaker:I wasn't dollar cost averaging when we were in the downturn.
Speaker:I believed in crypto.
Speaker:I think the only way to put it is I didn't have enough faith and unfortunately,
Speaker:like I said, I wasn't DCA and I wasn't buying during that time and so we had
Speaker:these low prices and I'm not buying.
Speaker:So my portfolio stayed down and I waited until the market started back up.
Speaker:I don't want you to do the same thing.
Speaker:The best strategy in that case would have been, uh, simply to DCA during
Speaker:that roughly two year time period and buy, you know, Bitcoin when it was super cheap.
Speaker:I looked up, uh, Bitcoin hit a low from that $20,000 high, hit a low
Speaker:of somewhere around 3,000, 3,500.
Speaker:I didn't buy.
Speaker:I didn't, I wished I would have.
Speaker:I could have bought, you know, uh, during that two year time period.
Speaker:I could have, I could have added a lot of value to my portfolio and I did not.
Speaker:So, you know, that's why it's so important to plan ahead.
Speaker:I didn't, I, I, I put no thought to it, you know, I guess I was thinking
Speaker:it's going to go on forever, even though I knew better, that was not
Speaker:the first bear market in crypto.
Speaker:Uh, it won't be the last.
Speaker:We'll have another one.
Speaker:They may not be as bad as that one.
Speaker:I think there's reasons that that will be the case, but, but they may be, I don't know.
Speaker:So we have to plan ahead.
Speaker:We have to make those decisions now.
Speaker:Uh, and I would, I would hope if you've done your homework, if you
Speaker:believe in what you're doing, it's hard to do, but what you really should do is
Speaker:just kind of ignore the market and just keep DCAing.
Speaker:DCAing, you need to pick tokens during this time period that are worth
Speaker:investing in that are promising or they're already proven Bitcoin
Speaker:certainly falls in this category.
Speaker:Ethereum falls in this category.
Speaker:Projects like Cardano might fall in this category of Cardano.
Speaker:Now that they've launched their main net, you know, they've moved out
Speaker:of kind of that beta phase, they don't have a whole lot deployed at this point.
Speaker:Their, their price is actually still fairly low.
Speaker:Um, and if you believe in Cardano project, then you know, pump that
Speaker:money into it during, during that bear market, we may see Cardano just very
Speaker:briefly, I think I will lay out what I believe is going to happen.
Speaker:Uh, we, we roughly people, people have different opinions.
Speaker:They think that the bull market may only last for a couple, but there are people
Speaker:who think the bull market is over.
Speaker:I think they're wrong.
Speaker:Um, but regardless, you know, maybe it goes on for a couple more months
Speaker:towards the end of the year.
Speaker:Uh, we hit our all time highs, kind of like what we did in 20, 2017 and
Speaker:then into very early 2018, that may be the case, maybe we hit a hundred
Speaker:thousand, 120,000 with Bitcoin, and then we drop from there, you
Speaker:know, it may go on longer.
Speaker:The reason it may go on longer is because of things like institutions
Speaker:becoming, and by institutions, I mean, large companies, medium sized
Speaker:corporations, this kind of thing, investing in Bitcoin, we have more
Speaker:and more opportunities to do that.
Speaker:We have things like the Bitcoin futures, uh, EFT options now that are coming online.
Speaker:Uh, we're seeing companies who are buying Bitcoin with their cash reserves
Speaker:as a hedge against inflation, as a hedge against bad times, we see companies
Speaker:like MicroStrategy who their only thing that they're doing basically is buying
Speaker:Bitcoin, doing very well at it.
Speaker:Um, and I think that a lot of this institutional buying is going to help
Speaker:keep the Bitcoin price or keep the crypto, uh, market in general.
Speaker:I think it's going to help soften that fall this time.
Speaker:Maybe we only go down 20%, maybe 30%, but I don't think we're going to see
Speaker:another 80 or 90% correction like we did in 2017, 2018.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Um, so, you know, really that's it in a nutshell, you just, you need to decide.
Speaker:What am I going to do?
Speaker:Am I going to try and play this top?
Speaker:Am I going to try and sell, um, my stuff into, you know, stablecoin?
Speaker:By stablecoin, I mean something like, uh, USDT or what is it, USDC, um, meaning
Speaker:coins that their value is not supposed to change, they're stable, uh, and then
Speaker:try and buy in at the bottom of the market.
Speaker:You can have success doing that.
Speaker:Um, my concern would be what if the market doesn't go down very much, and
Speaker:then you end up buying back in at a higher price, that would be terrible.
Speaker:If you're not certain about that, I would advise that you probably don't do
Speaker:that, but regardless of how long that market is, how long that bear market is,
Speaker:whether it's six months, three months, two years, whatever it is, my suggestion
Speaker:is you pick your projects, you DCA into them.
Speaker:This isn't the time, and I'm going to give you some maybe controversial advice.
Speaker:This isn't the time to be DCA into projects that they don't have a well-defined
Speaker:roadmap of what they're doing.
Speaker:They don't have a system set up, but I'm talking about coins like Shiba Inu,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:These meme coins who they've come out of nowhere.
Speaker:Yes, they've made people a lot of money, but what are they actually trying to do?
Speaker:What's the purpose?
Speaker:What's the goal?
Speaker:If they have one, I'm not aware of it.
Speaker:Uh, if they do, that's terrific.
Speaker:Maybe, maybe you shouldn't be investing in it, but I'm talking about projects
Speaker:like Ethereum, where we have an environment that's built, that's out there, that's
Speaker:deployed, that work will continue regardless of the price of Ethereum.
Speaker:Ethereum may drop, you know, 10, 20, 30, 50%.
Speaker:Those projects are still going to go on.
Speaker:The DeFi projects that we, that we've talked about, right?
Speaker:These new use cases, these, these things that are going to fundamentally change,
Speaker:um, finance, they're going to go on, regardless of that price.
Speaker:Those are the type things that I would invest in personally.
Speaker:I would invest in Bitcoin.
Speaker:I would invest in Ethereum, maybe some of these smaller projects as well.
Speaker:Uh, but I want projects that have a clear vision.
Speaker:Where are they going?
Speaker:What are they trying to accomplish?
Speaker:What need are they serving?
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So something to keep in mind, I would mention, it's funny, uh, earlier today,
Speaker:I was listening to a guy, uh, a YouTube guy, uh, Collin Talks Crypto.
Speaker:He's one of the people that I subscribe to and, you know, listen to their stuff
Speaker:on YouTube, uh, he's an analytics guy, lots of numbers, but he put out a video.
Speaker:I think it was his latest one a couple of days ago called buy into the pain.
Speaker:And it's the same kind of concept.
Speaker:It's when those prices are down, that's when you can create, you can create true
Speaker:wealth.
Speaker:One of the things I wanted to say, we can make money during a bull market.
Speaker:I've certainly made money.
Speaker:This bull market, our, my portfolio has gone up.
Speaker:You can build wealth, true wealth during these bear markets.
Speaker:When other people are running and you are buying the right assets.
Speaker:And I want to emphasize the right assets.
Speaker:You can create true wealth because the bull market will come back.
Speaker:Bitcoin will go higher than it went last time, the alt coins will follow, or maybe
Speaker:they detach and go their own way and they're not really following, but there's,
Speaker:you know, the market is growing and you can create true, true wealth during those
Speaker:hard times.
Speaker:Check out Collin's video.
Speaker:It's Collin Talks Crypto.
Speaker:It's Collin Talks Crypto, he's a, a knowledgeable guy.
Speaker:I love his analytics approach.
Speaker:He actually has a website.
Speaker:I, I don't know if he mentions it on that video or not, but it's cbbi.info as in
Speaker:Charlie Bravo, Bravo India dot info.
Speaker:And that's a really neat tool that he's built that you can use to explore some
Speaker:of the analytics stuff that he does.
Speaker:So, uh, I want to go ahead and jump off of that.
Speaker:That's really all I've got to say.
Speaker:It's not a lengthy discussion, but I think it's a very important one.
Speaker:And I, I seriously want you to think about this, think about it right now.
Speaker:You know, probably in the next few days, we may, Bitcoin may pass its all time
Speaker:high and it may shoot up 70, 80 K and everybody's going to be all excited.
Speaker:And I want to be excited too.
Speaker:These, you know, these times are exciting, but I want you to put some thought.
Speaker:What are you going to do next year?
Speaker:Maybe the bear bear market comes, maybe it's late 2022, maybe it's 2023.
Speaker:There are people who think that it's going to stretch out that long.
Speaker:And maybe it's not, maybe it only drops 10, 20% and only for a couple of months.
Speaker:And that's one thing, but maybe it is more like it was last time.
Speaker:So that's something I want you to give some thought.
Speaker:How are you going to deal with that?
Speaker:My advice, just keep right on DCA, right?
Speaker:Just keep right on buying, buying those projects.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Got a couple of news items came across this, uh, earlier this month, the total
Speaker:amount of value money locked up in DeFi across all the platforms reached a record
Speaker:high, over $200 billion, an amazing figure.
Speaker:Uh, and that came out, uh, from the analytics platform, DeFi Lama, which I love the name,
Speaker:but, uh, they do, you know, analytics analysis of all this stuff.
Speaker:So I thought that was pretty cool.
Speaker:I think you will see that value continue to go up and even in a bear market, it
Speaker:may dip a little bit, but I think you will see that value because one of the options
Speaker:I can do, maybe I don't want to put my money in stable coin because that is frankly,
Speaker:um, if, if you're a U S resident, that is a taxable event, but I could put it
Speaker:into, uh, a DeFi platform and still have it generating return even during a downturn.
Speaker:So that's one option actually.
Speaker:Another thing I want to talk about, and I do want to take a few minutes to
Speaker:talk about this, to wrap things up, Bank of America, which is one of the largest
Speaker:banks here in the United States, uh, released a report, they have a digital
Speaker:assets group, basically they've got a group studying, um, crypto and what
Speaker:they should, you know, how, how the bank should interact with it.
Speaker:Well, they produced a report and it's a great report that I unfortunately
Speaker:can't get my hands on.
Speaker:Um, they don't make it very easy.
Speaker:You're supposed to be like a reporter.
Speaker:You can request it or whatever.
Speaker:I did find a summary of it.
Speaker:It's 141 pages and pastry eating.
Speaker:Pastry ETH on Twitter, P-A-S-T-R-Y-E-T-H, give them a little shout.
Speaker:And they did a great job giving a summary of this.
Speaker:And I wanted to go over some of their findings.
Speaker:This is really interesting stuff.
Speaker:One of the things you've got, um, and this may be a little obscure, but
Speaker:it's an important growth indicator.
Speaker:The digital asset related.
Speaker:So cryptocurrency related, uh, M and A's merger and acquisitions year to date
Speaker:jumped to $4.2 billion up from $940 million in 2020 and $2.5 billion in 2019.
Speaker:Uh, this indicates, uh, you know, a maturing industry.
Speaker:So you got crypto companies, uh, buying other crypto companies and you've got
Speaker:non crypto companies buying crypto companies, this kind of thing.
Speaker:So, uh, that is, uh, that consolidation, whether we like it or not, is
Speaker:the sign of a maturing market.
Speaker:Bitcoin leads the way, uh, as it has for the last decade.
Speaker:That's not changed.
Speaker:The Ethereum camp loves to talk about the flippening.
Speaker:Maybe it happens one day.
Speaker:I don't think it's going to be this year, folks.
Speaker:Regardless, um, the total cryptocurrency market reached 2.1 trillion, a hundred
Speaker:billion dollars in daily transaction and trading volume, Bitcoin represents
Speaker:roughly half of that, about a trillion dollars.
Speaker:So that is a very impressive stat and one that they should be proud of.
Speaker:Another, another point they made corporation, uh, corporate interest is growing.
Speaker:And they had this fun little team called the bank of America predictive analytics
Speaker:team, they use natural language processing in order to analyze 161,000
Speaker:earning calls, transcripts.
Speaker:So these are the transcripts that public companies have to release as part of
Speaker:their, you know, public policy.
Speaker:They, they make these earning calls where they release all kinds of financial
Speaker:information and what they're planning on doing, and this kind of thing.
Speaker:Uh, so they analyzed, uh, all these transcripts from first quarter of 2009
Speaker:through August 2nd of 2021 and interest in digital assets, cryptocurrencies, etc.
Speaker:Is that an all time high?
Speaker:That's not the last time we're going to be talking about corporate interest.
Speaker:Crypto is going mainstream.
Speaker:We've certainly seen this.
Speaker:You talk to people on the street and it's funny how many people are, they're
Speaker:just getting into crypto or they've been in for a while or they've heard about
Speaker:it and want to know more.
Speaker:I was just talking to a friend of mine about NFTs today.
Speaker:In fact, he's an artist, digital artist, and, uh, you know, he's not involved at
Speaker:this point and I'm encouraging him to do so because I think he could sell some of
Speaker:his art online and make some, you know, make some money, make some crypto.
Speaker:This says it's estimated that 14%, 21.2 million of us adults own digital assets.
Speaker:Now that is a pretty amazing stat to me.
Speaker:So, uh, and that's in the U S 14% of the U S adult age people own crypto.
Speaker:That number will continue to go up additional 13% plan to buy digital assets.
Speaker:Plan to buy digital assets in 2021.
Speaker:No, they won't all, but that would put the number somewhere around 25%
Speaker:by the end of this year.
Speaker:The average age is 44 and it looks to be split very evenly between male and female.
Speaker:No difference in who's buying altcoin interest is rising.
Speaker:We see this through stuff like Dogecoin, Shiba Inu, this kind of stuff.
Speaker:Um, Dogecoin alone, uh, you had altcoin mention increasing across both Twitter
Speaker:and Reddit with Reddit mentions of Dogecoin jumping 3,032% in January, 2021.
Speaker:Now from a governmental standpoint, we'll talk about that for just a second.
Speaker:Interest in CBDCs is growing central bank digital currencies.
Speaker:I believe we've talked about this a little bit on previous episodes.
Speaker:I don't think this interest is coming from the individuals.
Speaker:I do believe this is strictly governments.
Speaker:Um, you know, the fed, the U S government body that handles this
Speaker:stuff is investigating this, um, China already has a digital yuan in beta.
Speaker:If not actually deployed as version one or whatever it's happening.
Speaker:And it doesn't matter whether you like it or not, it, it's going to happen.
Speaker:NFTs on the move.
Speaker:Well, there's a big surprise.
Speaker:The NFTs have actually been around for a while.
Speaker:Most people, a lot of people don't realize that they've been around
Speaker:since, uh, somewhere around early 19, uh, 2019.
Speaker:So a couple of years now, more than a couple of years, but the interest
Speaker:actually it's only been very late this year.
Speaker:I mean, the, the growth, the graph, it's just boom, straight up in, you know, 2021.
Speaker:Let's see here.
Speaker:Volatility is declining with increased adoption and ownership.
Speaker:Uh, it is still a volatile product, Bitcoin in particular, but any
Speaker:of these assets in general, uh, but it's that volatility slowing down.
Speaker:We will see as Bitcoin, you know, kind of reaches its, uh,
Speaker:kind of reaches its, kind of reaches its value, whatever that value
Speaker:may be, the volatility will decrease.
Speaker:It's, it's figuring out its market.
Speaker:It's trying to figure out its value right now.
Speaker:Is it a hundred thousand?
Speaker:Is it a million?
Speaker:Is it, I don't know.
Speaker:We'll find out when we get there, but we will see that volatility
Speaker:decrease over time so that the swings are less wild.
Speaker:Not a bad thing from a management standpoint, uh, it does not give you
Speaker:the opportunity to make these crazy, uh, gains, you know, if you're, if
Speaker:let's say the value is 1.5 million and that's what it's going to reach.
Speaker:I just pull in that number completely at random.
Speaker:If you buy it at 1.4 million, you have very little opportunity for gain,
Speaker:obviously, but you have very little volatility.
Speaker:So people complain about the volatility, but it's actually an aspect of the
Speaker:market that you can use for your gain.
Speaker:Uh, I did want to point this one out.
Speaker:These two here.
Speaker:Well, I'm going to talk about this one first.
Speaker:It's another institutional one, another corporate one, and then
Speaker:we'll come back to this other one.
Speaker:Get on my little rant here for just a second.
Speaker:Uh, institutions, um, adopting Bitcoin, certain, or crypto in general,
Speaker:certainly accelerating, and that's a good thing.
Speaker:And I do believe that's one of the primary drivers behind what we will see,
Speaker:I hope as a, a dip, a bear market that is less than last time.
Speaker:I don't expect an 80, 90% drop.
Speaker:I expect maybe 20, 30.
Speaker:If we hit $120,000, as an example, it may only drop down, you know.
Speaker:Well, let's say we hit a hundred, just to make this an
Speaker:easy number to do in my head.
Speaker:Let's say we hit a hundred thousand, 20% drop would put it back to 80, a 40%
Speaker:drop would put it back to 60, which is where it's at right now.
Speaker:Um, that would be far less than what it did last bull market.
Speaker:So that would not be a bad thing in my opinion.
Speaker:Uh, and, and a lot of that's going to happen because these institutions
Speaker:are coming online so quickly.
Speaker:They're buying Bitcoin, they're buying Ethereum and they're holding it.
Speaker:They're not trading it.
Speaker:They're not day trading Bitcoin.
Speaker:They're holding it.
Speaker:And that lack that, well, that holding increases, scarcity drives up the price.
Speaker:It's that simple.
Speaker:And finally illicit activity, so illegal activity using digital assets, likely
Speaker:represented less than 1% of the digital asset transactions last year, down
Speaker:from 2.1% in 2019, I don't know where they get these numbers, but assuming
Speaker:that they are accurate, less than 1%.
Speaker:Now I wish they could have been more accurate with that.
Speaker:Was it 0.5?
Speaker:Was it 0.1?
Speaker:Was it 0.9?
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:But even at 0.99, less than 1%, it's an insignificant, in my opinion, amount
Speaker:of activity, and yet we have people, uh, in the U S, um, government, particularly
Speaker:in the Senate who are railing on, Oh, Bitcoin is used for illegal transactions.
Speaker:To me, that just represents, shows your, your, your, your, your, your,
Speaker:naivete, lack of understanding, to put it nicely, maybe a few more words there,
Speaker:uh, that aren't so nice.
Speaker:Um, yeah, sure.
Speaker:There's things that are done illegally.
Speaker:You get rants.
Speaker:It's primarily ransomware these days, from what I can tell, but you don't shut
Speaker:down an entire industry because of this small amount of illegal activity, if
Speaker:we did that, we wouldn't be using U S dollars, the dollars that I have in my
Speaker:wallet, there's a high chance that some of those dollars were used in drug trade.
Speaker:That's the truth.
Speaker:It doesn't affect me, but what do we take away everybody's money?
Speaker:That's ridiculous.
Speaker:And these knee-jerk reactions to this represent, in my opinion, a lack
Speaker:of understanding, to put it nicely.
Speaker:So that kind of thing really gets my goat.
Speaker:Um, I don't know how else to say it nicely.
Speaker:So anyways, it was a very interesting report, uh, from what I can tell, like
Speaker:I said, unfortunately, um, I couldn't read the whole report, not being a reporter,
Speaker:but, um, anyways, some really interesting data in there.
Speaker:We see a lot of this type of reporting of, of research being done by these
Speaker:larger institutions, JP Morgan just recently started, you know, JP Morgan's
Speaker:kind of interesting because they've historically, they've been like Bitcoin
Speaker:bad, don't buy Bitcoin, don't don't.
Speaker:Well, recently they flip-flopped on that and now they've started offering it to
Speaker:their, what they call their higher net worth clients, um, and I don't know
Speaker:what that bar is, but that, even that alone kind of ticks me off because
Speaker:I, if I were a client of that bank, um, really, whether I was a higher
Speaker:net worth individual or not, I'd be like, you know what, so what you're saying
Speaker:is just because somebody's worth a little more than somebody else, that
Speaker:you're not going to open up that opportunity to the person who doesn't
Speaker:have as much money, that, that is not fair.
Speaker:And that is the exact kind of thing that a lot of these cryptocurrencies
Speaker:that Bitcoin people, whatever that they're fighting for, for, uh, Bitcoin
Speaker:doesn't care what nationality you are, what color you are, what your income is.
Speaker:You can buy Bitcoin, you can buy $5 Bitcoin right now.
Speaker:And it doesn't, it doesn't matter.
Speaker:You can buy a million dollars worth of it.
Speaker:If you've got the million dollars, doesn't matter.
Speaker:And garbage like that to me is just, man, that just, uh, makes me ill.
Speaker:So anyways, I'll get off of that.
Speaker:That's going to wrap it up for this week.
Speaker:This is actually the third time I've tried to record this.
Speaker:So it's been a little frustrating.
Speaker:I do apologize.
Speaker:Didn't record last week.
Speaker:Uh, I was actually out of town, uh, on a couple of days of vacation.
Speaker:Enjoying myself and I'd planned on recording an episode before I left
Speaker:and I did not, and I just didn't.
Speaker:So hopefully this will catch you at a good time.
Speaker:I strongly recommend that you think about what I said, though.
Speaker:You need to plan, what are you going to do during your bear market?
Speaker:Don't be like I did in 2017, you will regret it.
Speaker:I regret it right now.
Speaker:I, I regret it to this day, uh, because I lost a lot of wealth.
Speaker:I, I will say this, you can make money in a bull market.
Speaker:You can, anybody can you buy, you hold, you know, you're making money.
Speaker:It goes up.
Speaker:You can make a fortune in a bear market.
Speaker:What do I mean?
Speaker:Well, that's the opp buying opportunity.
Speaker:So keep that in mind.
Speaker:If you believe in Bitcoin, if you believe in Bitcoin,
Speaker:if you believe in Ethereum, if you believe in some of these others,
Speaker:then you should be investing in them during the downturn and not
Speaker:just when things are all roses, because the top will come, the downfall will go,
Speaker:whatever amount it is, and then we'll be in this, you know, maybe we're in this
Speaker:sideways motion, so to speak for six months, don't lose those six months.
Speaker:There's some of the best opportunities that you have.
Speaker:So, uh, if you got questions, comments, uh, you shoot me an email,
Speaker:mcintosh.fintech.gmail.com that's mcintosh, m-c-i-n-t-o-s-h.f-i-n-t-e-c-h at gmail.com.
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