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Hi, everybody, welcome back to another episode of no

halos here with Jen lay and Jane Stark. Hello,

hello. Episode 51.

Episode 51. Last week, I celebrated 50. We made it

here. We're still here. Still here? Yes, our podcasting team

who processes our audio was awesome and consensus little

congratulations message. So we thank them again. I know we're

gonna just keep we're just gonna keep going. We've got lots of

plans in the works, but nothing concrete yet. So we've been

covering a lot of

say we do have some concrete stuff. But that's kind

of what we wanted to talk about today. Yes, we're kind of going

from celebrating 50 episodes last week, too. Okay, here's

episode 51. Where do we go from here? And I think we wanted to

unpack this a little bit from a reflective place. And also, not

just in the podcast, where do we go from here? But the work that

you and I are doing together?

Yeah. All of our serenity program. Mm hmm. Which

is so satisfying. On so many levels,

it is still running. We're running a beta. Yeah,

right now, a six week beta program. Yeah, that is just,

it's so amazing when something just feels so right. And so

easy. And that's what this feels like. It's

like starting the podcast, honestly, we had the

support of Michelle's team, we couldn't do it on our own, we

needed Michelle's team to, to help us sort of get around.

stuff. So

and we've tried things, right. Like we've tried

some other things, it's just we try them are like me, and I'm

sure everybody goes through this, we're not alone. But like

that. And then the things that stick in, you're like, Oh, this

feels good. And you're right at the podcast is another one of

those things, felt really

good felt really easy and came out naturally. Because

for serenity lived as a different program before, but we

never actually launched it because it never felt aligned.

Yeah. And then we took on the first serenity name, we agreed

to do it beta. And interestingly, we had also

designed it as a three month process, rather than six weeks.

And for the beta, we thought we would just do six weeks and do

any version. I'm liking it so much that we're like, let's just

keep it at six weeks. So it's, yeah, it's

going to be kind of we're just going to run cohorts

of it. And every so this one runs until April 7, and then

we're launching our second cohort, April 25. I think we

decided that we could 2020 the week of the 25th. Yeah. And that

just feels really, really good. So again, that following the

energy, it's like what we talked about, right? And we're really,

we're practicing what we preach, I think, here in a lot of ways

where it's following, I always say following the breadcrumbs

following the yeses and what feels good. And I mean, we can

very quickly get caught up. And oh, both of us in all of like,

oh, this person did this, maybe we should look at that. Or, you

know, let's do this. So let's try that. And I'm an

experiential learner, and even guide, like I am designed to do

everything and have to learn everything by experience. So you

can't tell me what to do because I actually have to experience

that she,

we discovered Well, we didn't discover we actually

voiced today the Jane and I both hate being told what to do.

Yeah. And it's our rebel. And interestingly enough, that is a

feature of several the people in for serenity and our clients.

They hate being told what to do. So if you are one of those

people who hates being told what to do, come work with us, come

work with us. We'd love to chat.

And it's not so much. I don't tell me what to

do. I'm not going to do anything. I think the beauty of

it. One of our clients shared with us just yesterday that she

said, you don't just listen to me. You understand me? And that

was rooted in the and like she went on to say that she hates

she doesn't like being told what to do and when other coaches or

people have told her what to do she rebels and but she's here

having huge transformations and huge awakenings. And so she's

like, it's just it's so beautiful, you get me and you

get my process and you allow that space for my process to

unfold, while keeping her accountable and guiding her.

Yes. Which was really, really amazing feedback to receive, I

think for, you know, for both of us, and how we that

and it was just this beautiful mutual, that was a

moment of mutual appreciation between all of us, because

working with people like that is so rewarding, because it feels

so good to support someone in a in a way in exactly the way that

they need to be supported in order to thrive. Yeah. And

instead of having like we've talked about having having a

prescriptive process that, well, if you don't follow this

process, you may or may not succeed. And I'm not saying that

ever, every coach does this, it's not true. But for some

people, it works really well. Exactly. And that's I'm good

differentiate, sometimes you need that. Sometimes you need to

like, I need to be given these five steps to follow and

discover and have that experience totally fine. But

we've Jane and I've discovered that the people we find most

rewarding experiences working with are people where we respect

their energy, and we allow the process to unfold naturally.

I think that's our gift, right? If we want if we

claim this if we right now we're to claim this that is our gift.

And that is the piece, where, you know, we talked about, I was

reflecting to you about I've done my health and life coach

certification. And but I'm very quickly to explain to people

that as a health coach, I am not the health coach that's going to

look at what every piece of what you eat and tell you how to eat

everything you do for exercise, all the things, I do definitely

support my clients in a more from a bird's eye view,

holistic, like hey, what are your habits, what's working for

you? What's not, but I don't get so prescriptive into those

levels. That is not to say that that isn't helpful. I have hired

and work with like, if we're talking about health, you know,

holistic nutritionist myself to help me to literally say, Yeah,

okay, we need to get more cruciferous veggies in your

diet. Okay. But the part that didn't connect for me when I

went through my training, because my training did include

a lot of that is that I was like, but what but this is the

problem I see so often is that we were so quick to give the

prescription but people don't follow it. And you were just

showing that you had a client that you worked with for a year.

And it was kind of similar, where it's like she she's like,

well, but I'm not putting I'm not actually putting the

recommendations into action. And that was my big thing was to

look at and go, Well, why why is it so hard for us? To actually

make these changes, these lifestyle changes that we know?

Yeah, are better for us. And when we do it for a little bit

of time, we feel better, and we still fell off the wagon? Yeah.

And that's what led me on my journey, even into to the work

that I do today is because I was so I just kept asking why. And I

needed to understand a dig more and more and more. And also

using myself as as that experiment to like, why am I not

doing this or, and looking at my journey. And so that's what led

me into even looking at bringing the energy work in. And it's

where I can see some of this stuff. Pair so well with Yes, a

coach or a therapist or a nutritionist or whatever the

thing is, you know, who says here's the things like I know,

the science or I know the, you know the methodology, but then

the person isn't actually applying it. I think there's an

element where you and I, and I think this is something that

even if we look at our clients, a lot of our clients have done

some of that pre emptive work, and they come to us because it's

not sticking, and I feel stuck.

And they've done Yes, that is definitely a defining

characteristic, I'd say of many people that both you and I've

worked with both individually and together is this feeling of

stuckness or the knowing that they're in their own way, but

they don't know how to move past. Yeah, whatever, whatever

that next step is meant and maybe that they know that that

next step is working with either have or both of us. And they but

there's something you know, it's scary to take that next step

sometimes, because it does change things and it does open

things up. Where, you know, I think I've someone I know who

you know, never really hasn't really ever paid attention. Like

I'm not saying close attention to what they've eaten over the

past few years for most of their lives because it hasn't been

issue, and then wants to get to the bottom of a specific health

challenge. Does a cleanse a 21 day detox, but it really opens

up a whole can of worms in terms of, you know, well, this didn't

solve it. So what's next? And what's next? And what's next?

And sometimes that prescriptive, short, detect start or do to

start? Yeah, exactly. Whatever you want to call it, kickstart.

Is that next window into diving into a bigger journey, which

we've avoided for a long time, maybe because we didn't have

capacity. Maybe you know, the timing wasn't right. Or maybe we

have just avoided it because we know what we need, because

totally do that. Yeah. And so it's just really interesting to

reflect on a the last 50 episodes of the journey that you

and I have been on over the past year, because a year ago, the

countdown offer didn't exist. There's one countdown a year

ago, fear serenity didn't exist. So we started with the podcast.

And now moving forward, it's like, well, what do we want to

carry forward into these next 50? Episodes? Fear serenity is

definitely one of

them. Yeah, our countdown are two to one

coaching. We've really, yeah, we've through the countdown

offer. And even before that we were doing so again, some

experimenting of what does it look like for us to co coach.

And it's really powerful. Like we said yesterday, when we got

off our call with the session with our current client, one of

our current clients, if it's like, I, if I'm going to take

more than one to one clients on, I want them to be co coaching.

Like there's just this. I mean, I love my clients as well. And

like the one to one is great. But there's just something about

the 2212 that's like, Oh, my God, it's so potent. And compact

and powerful without being overwhelming, I think for

the clients. So one person, I always talk about how good you

are at asking questions. And so then I can listen to both of

you. And then all have whatever it is never ending drop in.

Yeah.

And you're the healer. And yeah, in a lot of

way, like, like Jen comes in and support space is beautiful. This

is beautiful synergy of like, okay, let's go in. And this is

some of the work that I think this is some of the layer that's

hard to put words to around. Yeah. Why don't we make changes

in our life that or go after what we want. And it's, it's, I

find it tricky to put, like to pinpoint what it is. But there's

just something that I think you and I both do individually. And

then when we come together, it's just even more powerful to help

people Yeah, to help people. get unstuck, like you say, and to

move past that. So yeah, it's been really, you know, the

podcast has been has given us so many learnings. And we shared a

bit about that last week. Where do we go now has also been

helping us really reflect and get a lot more clear on who is

it that we serve? Yeah. And how are we going to serve them? And

what does that look like in terms of building? Building that

up? Not out? So we're talking today

growth, vertical growth, rather than horizontal

growth? Yeah. And better refining, focusing, honing, some

might call it niching. But I don't think it's quite. I feel

like there's a different energy than

why I think I'm always a believer to have like,

do one thing well, rather than many things. And interestingly,

I've done in many I've done a lot of things in my life,

consider myself multi passionate, which absolutely, I

think that's different to like, I think a multi multi passionate

as well. But is that is that the same thing as like, dabbling,

like doing?

dabbling? Yeah.

Versus like,

I think some of this conversation came out of, we

were reflecting on each of our own business journeys, and how,

in some of my online network spaces that I have been in for

over six years now. I'm seeing plenty of women who are in, you

know, pretty much the same, if not maybe slightly better spots

that I would consider count myself in there as well. There

hasn't been significant. I mean, yes, there has been growth, but

there hasn't been a significantly large business

expansion over the over that period of time. Absolutely.

There's exceptions. Absolutely. But I'd say the majority of

women that I work with are still operating in this plane. This

flat plane of

like the solo, Andre, they're doing it all

trying out different things. Oh, this isn't working. I need some

more revenue. So let's create another offer.

Let's have another offer. Let's create another opt

in let's have seven opt ins let's you know and then that's

right, the language around that opt in I think that's where I

got stuck. It's like how can the solopreneur myth honestly Maybe

other podcasts might be via the solopreneur math, unless you're

a freelancer, I will consider my husband as a freelancer. But

it's, there's no time for money in what we do. It's, it's the

transformation piece and the investing in the personal

development. But more, you know, whether it's career, we also

talked about how a lot of people we work with, the lot of what we

talk about is career business, not on the surface career, maybe

not on the surface, but the underlying layer is career or

work.

It comes in, it always comes in, whether it's

Yeah, whether it's they're an entrepreneur, and they're stuck

in their business, whether they're in a career that they're

feeling like they've hit the glass ceiling. Or they're in a

career where it's like, this no longer fits for me, and they

need to leave and make a total different life choice. But yeah,

definitely. It is a theme and the clients that we all work

with. Yeah. So in terms of where we're going, I think it's kind

of exciting, because we've also this podcast, I think, has

helped us create some offers together and refine those, we're

still like continuing in the refinement, period, I don't

think refining ever really ends if you're continuing to grow.

But so we've kind of come to this place where we're like,

okay, how can we scale up instead of out? And so we have

three, I'd say three main offers our community call, no, like,

I'm talking free and paid, paid, like our community call our two

to one coaching, three, and our fear serenity program. And I

think we're really focused on let's do those three things

really well, and let's grow those Yeah. You know, grow those

offerings and grow those that go deeper. So we're going deeper

and deeper into defining the fierce serenity program. Yeah,

we're going deeper into we have our 321 countdown offer, which

is three to one sessions with Jen and I over four weeks, it's

a wage Mutlu. If you're feeling stuck, and you know, you just

need that kind of quick kick out of it, direction, clarity, okay,

this is like this was the block I need to move through, that's a

great offering for that. It's also a great way to get to know

us and our work. So and then to, you know, potentially move into

more of a formal coaching package or offering with us. So

that offer is there. And then fear serenity, as we mentioned,

is in beta right now. But we're launching the second cohort, in

April at the end of April. And it is just such a Yeah, we have

so get put the link in our show notes to the waitlist. And it's

just a, it's just such a beautiful container to like a

more accessible, I guess, lower price point, obviously, it's a

it's a group program. So you're going to it's a lower price

point way to work with us, but also to really show up and be

vulnerable. So you get you get Jen and I but you also, you also

get the other women in the community with them. And there

is something to be said with that. And that we talked about

this with our community call. Just prior to get it yesterday,

on this morning, about what like what, what is the purpose of our

community calls, we were kind of asking each other right, and

these calls are free? Yeah, just to say, yeah, these are free

calls that we host twice a month. And, you know, it's we

want to keep them small and kind of sacred space. And so we kind

of were saying there's probably like at one time we try and make

sure there's no more than 10 to 12 people on those calls,

because we want to be able to, we want it to be a collaborative

process. So yes, Jen and I are holding the space. But it's

really about showing up and being able to have conversation

because it's not just Geminis guidance and wisdom that we get

like in I think, like that's what I really love is the magic

of when we can actually be in dialogue and talking about some

of these sticky thing. Yes. So yesterday on our community call,

we had amazing conversation that was on a topic that you know,

isn't something that necessarily we would all be comfortable just

going out and talking about right now. Kancil culture is

strong, you know, how do we learn how do we we need these

these safe spaces to be able to have conversation to unpack some

of these topics and

that's also why we don't record those calls because

it makes it a Non, I'm gonna say a nonce that is threatening. But

it's kind of like it's a, it's a space where you can share with

some of these deepest thoughts, get some feedback or express the

things that are on your mind or on your heart, ask questions,

get other points of view, without no, like, knowing

that you're not going to be shamed or judged, might come

back and bite you. It's not going to be released

publicly, none of it. Yeah, no. So it's good. It's a safe space

for reflection.

And it's Yeah, and it's really we were reflecting

like Jen and I have a lot of these conversations. We've

shared this before our 7am, meditations. And sometimes these

really big conversations that really help us. We hold space

for each other. And it really helps us reflect and understand

and have different viewpoints as to what we're going through, or

what's happening in the world. And our biggest thing is like,

how do we bring this to more people? How do we facilitate

this in a bigger way? And so that's where the community call

kind of came from like, Okay, what if we did take this to a

bigger space than just you and I were the podcast?

Yeah, if you're listening to this podcast, and

you want to come to the community call, and just have to

get on our love letters list. So I'll put the link in the show

notes, we'll we will put the link in the show notes for the

love letters, if you're not already on our love letters

list. But that's how you can stay in touch with us too. You

know, there's really, there's, it's where we send out sometimes

we send out summaries of what we've talked about on the

podcast, but through a slightly different lens. So usually I you

know, usually I'm writing a love letter after the podcast. But we

haven't talked about this past week's love letter on the

podcast

that's gonna come next week, that's actually in

failure about failure.

It's such a juicy topic.

So I was Yeah, yeah. So it's creating, I think where

we want to go is continuing to create these forums for

conversation for learning for, like, we get a call them codes,

because yes, one of my mentors calls them codes. But where we

can get codes from each other, when we're in conversation, but

it's a little more structured, and it's a little more it's a

different energy than just getting together with your

girlfriends to gossip or to, you know, kind of and throw opinions

at each other. It's moderated. Definitely, in that sense. And

then fear serenity, is that but going deeper and allowing you to

really reflect we guide you through each week. Different the

different energy bodies, so whether it's your physical, your

emotional, your mental, your spiritual, we look at all of

those all of those energetic bodies, and give you specific

actions and reflections so that you can start defining what your

serenity is for yourself.

Yeah. It's so fun.

I love it. Awesome. It's yeah, I'm really loving it

too.

I'm sure I hope our listeners can hear how much we

we love it. And we enjoy it. And, you know, I hope you're all

curious to find out more because, you know, even if it

isn't a fit for you, maybe you can recommend it to a friend. Or

maybe you have a friend or someone in your network, who

would be like, Oh, wow, this would be awesome. So pass, you

know, share it. Yeah, shared widely. So in terms of like,

where we're going to be a year from now, obviously, we're not

future futurists in some ways. However, we do have some of the

vision. So we're gonna keep going with the first serenity,

we're gonna keep going with the community calls. I want to bring

back actually some of my soundscapes, we haven't yet 100%

decided the figuring out what that's gonna look like. Yeah,

but that's going to be coming in. So maybe I'm thinking timed

with either a full or a new moon, once a month. And that

will be so stay tuned for that. Then growing upwards rather than

outwards mentally. So yeah,

we're not going to create a whole bunch of new

offers this, we're gonna continue to expand on the ones

we have and really build that vertical.

So what are some of the reflections that we can

leave for our listeners around both preparing for this episode?

And also, you know, moving forward.

I mean, I think one of our hopes, just through

sharing some of this is that we continue to give you a bit of a

glimpse into what we're building, in addition to the

podcast, and a little bit more, again, of like the work we do

and who we work with, and, you know, so that's one of my

takeaways just that like Jen said, that might not be you. But

it might be somebody you know, and you know, I are, we're both

here biggest wish is to help elevate the world through

supporting the people that were here like that. We You're here

and designed to support in that way. I love that. Yeah. What

else?

We haven't actually ever like we haven't publicly

defined that necessarily about, I don't think we had a vision of

how how we want to serve slash Inspire is through that space of

making, you know, yes, it's, it's the world is a better

place, but it's, it's how we're designed to support people on

their journey. And part of that journey is for serenity. But

part of that journey is, how do you be the best possible human

you can be? lift yourself up? And by just through that

process, you lift the whole human collective? Exactly. Yeah.

Amazing.

Yeah. So I mean, I think that's sort of the point,

we don't have any, like, we don't have any big wisdom

nuggets per se to drop you in this episode. It was more. It's

more just like getting a little bit of a hey, here's what we're

all about. Here's what we're working on. Here's what we're

doing. And I think, as Jen said, we're gonna continue to unpack

some of these topics like failure next week. You can get

on our, our newsletter list, which is our love letters.

That's the best way to keep in touch with us.

Yeah, they usually go out every Tuesday. And that's

short and sweet. Yeah,

not super heavy. The information about how to work

with us about our community calls is all on there. Yeah. I

think that's, is there any, do you have any sort of, you might

have a wisdom nugget to drop? Because I think I do have,

I think, I feel like the the few that dropped in when

we were preparing for this was and we recognize but it's worth

stating, again, is that growth is never linear. And that is

always a process of, you know, try. It's not try try again, but

it's like, try something out and be curious. It's okay to pause

instead of pushing forward all the time. Think that's a big,

you know, something we've talked about before is take the pause

and figure out where that next step is? Because are you

stepping onto a slippery rock? Or are you stepping onto from

ground and give yourself permission to try something new

and not be awesome at it right away? Yeah, that's, you know,

I'm sure if we go back and listen to our first couple of

podcasts episodes.

That's been a huge win, for me, is just being like

really embracing the fact that I know I need to learn through

experience. But if I don't allow myself to experience, I can't

grow. Uh huh. And it's hard. Yeah. Oh, but this podcast has

taught me a lot about that.

Yeah, it's been it's been super fun process. So I

look forward to the next 50 episodes and beyond, To infinity

and beyond. And, you know, we can have fun with so many lots

of laughs and lots of good things. So, on that note, I

think we'll just leave it here. Yes. Have an awesome day

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