Piotr Zalewski, the mastermind behind a new crypto exchange tailored for those aged 40 and up, spills the beans on how his platform is all about making crypto less intimidating and way more user-friendly. He’s on a mission to blend the traditional finance world with the digital frontier, especially through tokenizing real-world assets like real estate. During this lively chat with Jeremy Britton, they dive into the challenges of bridging the gap between old-school investing and the new-age crypto scene, while also tackling the hiccups that come with government regulations. Piotr emphasizes the importance of keeping it transparent and legit, wanting to ensure that investors feel secure in this often-chaotic crypto jungle. With a sprinkling of humor and real talk about what it takes to earn trust in this space, it’s a must-listen for anyone curious about the future of investing!

Takeaways:

• Piotr Zalewski emphasizes that his cryptocurrency exchange is designed to support older users, making it user-friendly and accessible for those who find crypto confusing.
• The podcast discusses the importance of tokenizing real-world assets, highlighting the challenges faced by governments in adapting to this new trend.
• Piotr shares insights on how older generations are often hesitant to invest in crypto due to a lack of understanding and the need for tangible assets like real estate.
• The conversation touches on the unique features of Piotr's exchange, including a call center for user support, which differentiates it from other crypto platforms that rely on ticketing systems.
• Piotr stresses the need for transparency in tokenization, stating that investments should generate real returns and not just be speculative ventures.
• The episode also dives into the future potential of the NOI token, suggesting that its use case could expand significantly as the platform grows and gains community trust.

Links referenced in this episode:

• noiexchange.net
• mexc.com

Companies mentioned in this episode:

• Cryllionaire
• NOI
• MEXC
• Circle
• Twitter
• Binance
• Coinbase
• CoinDesk
• Bybit
• OkX
• Wix
• Coin Store
• Bitmart

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Good afternoon, good evening, good morning wherever you are in the world and welcome to the Cryllionaire Crypto podcast. Today I have with me Peter or Piot Zaleski.

Peter's spent many years in private banking with working closely with high net worth clients, helping them to manage their money. He started and successfully sold several businesses including a real estate investment fund. And now he's focused on crypto and real world assets.

Peter is the founder of a cryptocurrency exchange built specifically for people like me, age 40 and over. Peter knows that crypto can seem confusing. So his platform is designed to be simple, safe and supported by real people.

Just like the service that you get at a top bank or a stock exchange. One key feature is the ability to invest in real world assets through staking, giving users a more stable and secure options.

Peter's goal is to make digital investing easier and more comfortable for us older adults who want to be part of the fast growing crypto space. Pete, welcome to the show.

Thank you very much for this invitation.

So I'm saying Peter and Pete because that's how we call you in Australia. But can you give us with the correct Polish pronunciation.

Correct pronunciation is Piotr Zalewski. It's not so easy.

Piot with a little tiny kind of a hidden R at the end, right?

Yes, yes. In Poland we've someone come to our country, we want to try to teach him something and we say.

Okay and.

So it's difficult to pronounce, so let's stay with Peter.

It's all very difficult to pronounce. So you've run multiple businesses. I know you've been very successful in those other spheres.

We had a chat about those yesterday and crypto is an evolving marketplace. So what do you think is going to be the biggest challenges with the red tape moving into crypto and putting real world assets inside of crypto.

First challenges will be of course, governments. Right now UAE start to help people to tokenize real estates.

For example, I tokenized one building in my home country in Poland and everything was fine till the last moment that people start to buy apartments from, from us. The problem was of the banking.

The bank don't want to give a loan to people for the real estate that was tokenized because they don't have such a system right now. They don't have procedure how to correct help people to buy real estates.

If you're building, if you have building, you have a hotel, something like this bank want to have some kind of documents that will be legally right now Government must to have this. I think uae, Estonia, Thailand, a lot of countries that accept blockchain, maybe not a bitcoin.

Blockchain will be the first places to tokenize real estate assets. But also in Hong Kong you can tokenize right now ships, transports and everything like this.

This is not something new. We just changing old culture of investing in group in a tokenized assets.

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

So anyone who's seen Pirates of the Caribbean will have heard that mentioned.

But you're talking about the guys who owned the ships basically selling part of the ships in little like the world's first companies, tokenizing those things.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. We don't invite the wheel again. We just make it digital. That's it.

Nice, nice. There's definitely a precedent for it.

But do you think that crypto, because it's crypto that people are going to be scared of it, like real estate is something people have had for thousands and thousands of years, whereas crypto is a new thing. So maybe is there a tendency for people to be afraid of putting the two together?

Of course people will be afraid. Especially people 50 plus. They invest your states because they have something, they can go there.

Even if they do not sell, they will live in these apartments. In crypto, all digital. If there is a problem, there is a war. You don't have nothing when you drop your phone, you have nothing. So.

So people will be scary for sure. But this is the moment for governments. The governments need to secure this part.

Tokenization is not just buying from crypto should be something that digital connections with the new world. Right now I don't think last week or this week Paraguay settled. Bitcoin will be legal tender.

A lot of countries will have possibilities to pay a crypto. So if uae we can pay a crypto. So why not put real estates on the blockchain and just make a smart contract, create everything to tokenize.

It's not, not not about us. We can figure out something. But government must to accept. And as we all know, governments accept in not fast way.

And a lot of people don't have possibilities to invest just because they don't see where money come from and can't control.

So this is the reason that they right now maybe not block it, but not helping if they will understood that money is coming from this part of that part, I think that they will understood this part and they will do something just to have money, just to have taxes, like I think it's said, I think Churchill said that every government is broke. We have only taxes and we move from one part to another.

So if government will see that, that they can have money from this and maybe they have more money because they will control on the blockchain is transparent. They can control where money come from. So they will accept, accept. But this is not from us. We invite them, we do everything to make it clear.

Right now, government, the ball is on their sides.

Yes, well, I mean it's as you say, the governments are slow to adapt. But I know in the circles that you move in now, the people are very quick and being in the uae, being in Poland, they seem to be way, way ahead.

It's very, very interesting.

So as far as the demographics, do you think it's more of in some countries they're far more advanced or is it more of an age group thing or a skill set that's holding people back from crypto?

This is a good question. And this is the reason that I right now in Poland, right.

And in Europe, my company is for people 50 plus in UAE there is demographic is a little bit different.

There's a lot of young people, there's a lot of people that don't want to pay tax of smart because UAE help them to open business, help them to get their license, help them to not pay crazy corporate taxes. So a lot of smart people that invest right now in digital assets live there. But Europe is old school, Europe is old money.

Europe is people that demographic is a little bit higher and investing in digital currency in Europe is a little bit different.

So there's a little bit difference about all the world because in, you know, in States, people feel crypto, bitcoin, it's not scam like, like years ago, but they feel, okay, this is something that we need to have. In Europe, people only kids invest in crypto. People think 50, 60 plus people 50, 60 plus. Just see crypto is something that we don't understood.

No one told us, for example, when Bitcoin was 111,000, something like this. I have meeting with my investor and he told me my friend lost on bitcoin.

I say, John, how it's possible right now is the moment that everyone that ever bought are in plus.

Yeah, yeah, how is possible.

So you know, there's a lot of rumors in Europe and Europe is As I say, old school. So if you will hear from your friends, that's friend of the friend lost on the bitcoin. So we're not invest because you don't know nothing about this.

And also in Europe, you don't have some ETFs like, like in states that you have invest in crypto. Digital investing is something different.

But still, still, still there's a lot of money in Europe and a lot of people that want to make interest, but they are scary. They don't, they don't have education that they have proper service.

For example, if you have staking in Europe in euro, you have 1, 2, 3% in some promotions.

Yeah.

And euro C by circle, that is totally registered and controlled by European Union, they give you 12. So the difference is huge. Yeah, but you must convince people to convert traditional assets to digital assets.

Yeah.

If they will tell you, okay, but we have euro in the bank. You have euro C in the crypto, so but euro can fall. Euro C. But in crypto you have your assets, let's say in your pocket.

In, in digital normal assets, you have your assets in bank. If bank hold four, what you gonna do?

Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Right? That's a very good point.

I mean, if we go back, even just in the last couple of years, there's Signature bank and Silvergate bank and a few banks that have closed down and taken your deposits. So, you know, crypto might be one of those things.

And again, as you say, not, not necessarily Bitcoin or something that's volatile, but a stable coin, which is just, you know, if you've got $10,000 in euros or $10,000 in US dollars in crypto, you. It just stays the same value every single day. So very cool.

So one of the questions I wanted to ask you is you're doing this thing with tokenizing real estate, but you're also building the exchange at the same time, so. And again, my pronunciation, right? Is it no, I exchange. Is it noi exchange. How do we say that?

No, the story about the name is a little bit funny because in Poland, if you want to say, so what? Yeah, you, you say no.

Yeah.

And I use this many, many, many times. So when I spoke with my ex girlfriend and I spoke with, I want to start company this, this or that, ask okay, I need a name.

And she say, okay, what is the most common things that you say? No. Okay. And we try to as old people right now, chatgpt AI and put a lot of things in this instead.

And noi have burst CEO things in a Google that we say can start this. This name of the NOI is just about Polish Polish speaking as so what. So this is nothing, nothing big about the name.

I think that if you just glorify your name you can be like Jordan Biffon. So you are Stratton Oakman and people you're.

This is, this is not the thing that you want to create and we want to create something that don't have any backdoors. We want to keep something transparent. So the name is nothing, mystery is nothing from some kind of theory? No, it's just, just, just a name.

Yeah, fair enough, fair enough. So one of the, one of the features of the exchange is okay, we can jump on.

We can buy crypto, we can buy forex, we can buy stocks which is obviously very handy making you a central hub. And I think what, what makes you different is you're going to have a call center.

So right now if you're buying things on CoinDesk or Coinbase or Coin Spot or Binance, if you run into a problem, you've got to submit a ticket. You got to wait three days for them to reply. Sometimes they don't reply but you're having people can just call up.

Right, that's, that's very unique but it's also very expensive because you've got to have people sitting there with waiting to take their calls rather than the help desk people that are outsourced and waiting three days. Now how is that going to be funded? How do we pay for that having all those people there?

First of all, when we calculate the business, we must calculate the exchange as a place that make revenue. In crypto a lot of people don't think about this but we do. Let's say crypto business but in traditional words.

So, so I need to pay my employees so I need to have some kind of revenue to do this. So first of all, crypto exchange is making money from fees of transactions. So day traders is one of the part.

Second of course futures trading and the third, third one, I think the biggest of the NOI will be different of the staking that let's say staking providers like Circle, like Twitter give us to give to people. If we say okay right now you will have something around 7, 8, 9% of NOI for the staking circle give us few percent more.

So we have possibility to make money from deposit also and deposits will be easy to convert because for the first step, if you just move back for the, for the movie Wolf of Wall street, we don't want this part. But there was a some final sentence. You know, start business with client, sell him blue chips. Okay.

Let you start investing with crypto and you are 50 plus, 60 plus. We don't want to sell you meme coin because it's too risky for you. Yeah, let's say we start from the deposits. We start from the deposits.

We can make a lot of, lot of money because people is that scary to deposit because they are not trading. There is not this, there is not speculation. So this part will be huge part of revenue. And also RWA right now will be great part of revenue.

I think in the future could be a little bit less because a lot of company will start to make rwa. So the cost will be going down, but still RWA will be something, something great. Also as a company.

For example, if you have some kind of ido ieo on the exchange, you have notification, nothing more mail, email app notification, that's it. In our case, all of our investor will have a call. Good morning Mr. John, how are you?

Today we have new RWA on our platform and we will start to sell tokens. And they did that. We cannot recommend you, of course you want, you should do your own research.

But we do our research and put this RWA on our platform. So we want to tell you that this one will be in a Friday for example.

Yeah, yeah.

Let's imagine how successful can be every RWA when we will do active sell. Not say recommending, just active sell and say okay, we have something like this active promotion, not passive will be something huge.

Yeah, for sure, for sure. I remember the old and olden days before the Internet.

And if I, if I wanted to actually buy a stock, I would ring my stock broker and say, you know, I want you to buy me, you know, however many stock in BHP or the bank or whatever. And it would cost around $70 to place that trade.

And then once they started with the online brokerage, you could actually jump online and you could buy your own stocks for $20 instead of paying $70 to talking to the broker. And now like with that's it Robin Hood and these, these guys like it can be $0.01 or 00. So that's what I think.

Like the cost is, the cost is coming down, but we're receiving less service. Are people happy to pay for an increased service and to actually deal with a real human being and a human voice?

I think people 50, 60 plus they are familiar to make some businesses in normal classic way. There is a funny story Because I'm former private banker and I spoke with my investor. I say, guy, man, let's invest in crypto.

We will make huge money. Okay? If you invest in crypto, let's put. We put $1 million in Binance. After a few days he called me that say Binance has come. I say, why is that?

Binance is come. No one called me. I can call someone. There's no people inside. Finance is not a scam, is the biggest one. But you know, there is no people inside.

There's crypto words, nothing like this. No, it's not working like this.

When I put million dollar in a Swiss bank, everyone called me, ask me for my job, for my wife, for my fiance, my kids, for everyone. They want to help me, they want to speak with me. But Binance don't care about me, man. This is a bit different.

I tried to convince him, but still people require service because they have the service from last 10, 20 years, they have service. If you check Dubai, we say, Dubai is little bit crypto friendly and have a lot of things like this.

If you check that Dubai is a crypto friendly and everything is working like this. So why Julius Burst, for example, Saracen, all the private banking are in Dubai right now. So why they are there?

Because there's a lot of wealthy people that make money and want to have service, want to private service, want to have banker that they can trust.

We've lost visual on you for a second.

I don't know why, but I'm still here.

Can hear you, I can't see you, can't see your face.

I'm still here.

So. And we should point out for people, you're actually in a car at the moment, on the way to a meeting, but you have stopped.

You're not driving and looking at the phone at the same time.

But this is the case of our company, our business. A lot of investors just want to meet with us and want to speak front of the table and say, okay, Piotr, where does crypto could go?

I cannot recommend you where it could go. I think that go there or there. Right now we should make our portfolio, create the stable part, another part to make this business.

And when you invest, let's say not 10,000, 5,000. When you invest 1 billion, 5 million, 10 million. You want to see his face, you want to speak someone?

Yeah.

And when you have a problem, he will come to my place, will say, I have a problem. We must do something with this. When he want to withdraw, he want to call someone, because he is In a stress. Let's say they have a car accident.

This is real story. My client have a car accident and his daughter need to have some crazy plastic surgery. This cost crazy money.

And he called me Piotr, we need to cancel few investments as soon as possible. Even with loss. I need some, I need crazy money. And we did. But let's say for example, you have some kind of staking in.

I don't know which exchange you will choose. You cannot do this. You don't have even call to some. You send an email after three days. After three days they will reply in your email.

And with them in three days his daughter be Frankenstein monster. So this is not something that you want to hold it.

So it's better to have someone that you can call, you can come to the place and say, okay, we need to do something, we need to cover, we need to withdraw.

You know when you, when you try to speak with people and have really close relation when you lost, because when you lost money, you, you must show your face and say, okay, we met the bad decisions. Right now we working to make it better. But mostly people when they lost money, they try to hide etc.

So people want to have someone that you can trust. And, and let's say to be honest, wealthy people, they are familiar to make money and lost money on liver stock. Yeah, they invest money.

So they don't scary about this one. They don't scare about interest, they just care about lost money. So the people say in crypto that people, all their people are scared to lose money.

No, they are scary about have zero knowledge about this market, about things. And a lot of people call them, okay, you have deposit from some kind of prince of Nigeria. You must put $1,000 to receive two bitcoins.

So people are scary and our job is to convince them, to show them that this business is legit, that we can make it normally, we can make it stable, that we will not disappear in 1, 2, 3 years. That you can come to our place, grab a coffee and say, okay, I want to invest, I want to withdraw and that's it.

Yep, yep, Beautiful.

I mean and private banking, I mean obviously you get phone calls from people who like, oh, I've just got an email about they're going to give me two bitcoins. All I have to do is fill in this form. You can talk to someone and stop those scams before they even occur, which is great.

Yes, yes, so true. A lot of emails like this.

Yeah, I mean crypto is the world's first truly international asset. Like it's not just the Polish stock market or the Japanese stock market or the, or the English stock market.

So how, how many languages are you going to need to cover when people phone in from different places around the world?

Okay, first forward, first office will be in Poland because I want to have all control about the old money market. So first people speak Polish, Czech, Hungarian and Deutsch. So after will be France, Italy and Spain.

Those people are really investing in crypto right now. Balkan people also invest in crypto.

But the second office will be in UAE because we have a lot of people that work from them and they speak a lot of languages.

Yeah.

We make audit to open office in Cyprus on uae. In Cyprus we have a lot of salespeople that we work with Forex and most of those recruiting meetings that they have, people was sells great guys.

They will push to sell everything. And I don't want this one. I don't want to create crypto exchange with Jordan Belfold. I don't want this part. Yeah, this is risky.

That is something that I don't want to create. I want to create something stable.

So I prefer that people will not sell, but will have service sell, will delicate sell, will be elegant sell will be something like this that we have, we do. We cannot recommend you, but if you speak with people that is selling Forex with leverage like say 500. So they sell leverage. They sell.

They say gambling. So they push a lot. Yeah, you know, leverage one to 500 is a gambling. It's nothing, nothing. So they push a lot. So I prefer to make office in uae.

And also as we said, UA is a great place to make a business personally crypto business also. So I think this will be something great to have office there and a lot of people also. UAE is a hub. It is a place that everyone have.

Let's, let's half of the world have five hours flight to UAE.

Yeah.

So let's say you invest $5 million and you have problem. Okay, I'm five, six hours to the office. I will go there. I will speak with you. You are angry. I will speak with those guys.

I will, I will take my money back. You can do this?

Yeah.

Yes. We cannot hide. We cannot open office in some kind of mountains and like this. We need to be in a place that people can also go there and trust to us.

You want to come to our office? For example, a few years ago Binance have an office in uae. I think they closed right now.

I think Bybit or Wix also have office that people can Come and see the office exist. Yeah, yeah, but okay, office exists. This is fine. But I want to speak with someone. I want to make the service.

This is the difference that I want to create to our business.

Yeah, that's amazing because there's a lot of people who are going with the decentralized daos and decentralized exchanges and things like that, and not domiciled anywhere, but you're actually going to be there. Question, are you hiring if there's people listening who can speak five or six languages, do you need people to work on your desk?

Right now we are hiring. We are hiring by LinkedIn and by local pages.

And the funny thing that I don't want to say this on the first question, but right now I say we hire also before speaking Vietnamese.

Sorry, sorry, you broke up there, mate. You hire people and do you hear me? Yep.

That'S speaking Vietnamese.

Okay, nice.

We don't know this.

And because I'm also too young to understood this part, there is a big communist help with Poland and Vietnam and a lot of people from Vietnam live in Poland.

Right.

So I can use this part. I can use this group.

Yeah.

And Vietnam is a huge market.

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

So this is our surprise for the market. But we also start with Vietnamese.

There you go.

But they will work at night.

Yeah, yep, yep. To be on the, on the right time zones. Fantastic.

So mate with, with the exchange, you're going to be looking at a lot of projects and a lot of listings. What's, what's some of the most interesting ones that you've had a look at recently?

You know, I don't like this part that exchanges right now list everyone who paid. Yeah, I think there's something, something crazy on this. First of all, I want to speak with someone.

I have a lot of meetings as a founder right now and a lot of people want to be anonymous. And I say like this, okay, if you want to buy anonymous, go decentralized. This is the anonymous part.

Yeah.

And I think in next few, few years, government will try to try to cover this gap between centralized and decentralized and put the centralized to hold this one.

So I don't want to have projects that they will be anonymous, that I don't have possibility to spoke with these guys and see their faces on the video. They have some kind of, I don't know, for example, crypto jar. This is a. Some kind of ape on the video. NFT was great.

We also, we all make money on this. But I want to speak for our people. I want to See that you are existing. You're building something. You have passion in your voice.

You have passion in your eyes. There is. When I spoke about Noi, for me it's like a baby. My, my. My girlfriend right now will kill me. But this is for a baby. For me. You wake.

When you have a baby, you wake up in the middle of the night. And this business, we both know that, that I do when I speak with you mostly.

So when you make the business and business use for you as a baby, you feel the passion. You want to make it bigger, to give them better school, better car, better education. Give him a trip, teach him something.

Also teach yourself something to be better to this business. And you speak with some projects and they say, okay, yeah, we have some project, we will have white paper and that's it. But we pay you.

Okay, pay someone else. Because if we do the due diligence, it's not only document is the moment that you speak with someone and you try to feel his intents.

If his intent is to scam every part of the world, why you should put them on your name.

Yeah.

Every process tool that will be on an exchange will be with our name. So I don't want. Sorry for that to every part of the world. I don't want memecoins that don't have founder that can say, okay, this is my job.

Okay, very good. I mean, I'm loving the passion for it. Right? It's really cool.

So you're going to be, you're going to be speaking to real people, looking at real projects. Is, is there anything, anything that you've looked at and gone, okay, so there's. There's people out there who are tokenizing real estate as you are.

There's people who are tokenizing like scotch, you know, expensive watches like the Patek watches and things like that. There's people tokenizing gold. What, what's some of the things that you've seen that you, you look at it and go, that's really cool idea.

There is with tokenize right now. There's a little bit problem. A lot of people tokenize something because they cannot sell.

Okay.

Is. It's a brutal truth.

And after tokenization, what will be with this building? Okay, I can tokenize art only when Art is rented. I tend to tokenize diamonds only where they are rented somewhere.

I can tokenize a hotel because they are working. I can tokenize a building which is rented. We will not ever tokenize it something that don't get revenue.

Why you need part of something that don't give you money. Okay. Because you want to have. We want to speak with your friends with a good drink and say, oh, hey, you have a part of DaVinci da Vinci paint.

And what is that? What do you mean there's with tokenization. I want to tokenize it businesses.

Yeah.

And assets that we can hold. But I would don't want to tokenize just the assets.

Because let's say, let's say I will say to my clients, we will tokenize some kind of paint, some kind of building. We will do 10,000 people will invest and they will ask me, okay, but where I will make money? Tokenization is not to sell shit.

Tokenization is to make money for the people that invest. So I wanted to say only thing that will make roi.

Okay, okay. Where can we see what tokens are going to be listed on your exchange?

We will see in future our exchange. Right now waiting for this crazy MICA license is not so easy. To be honest.

I think right now is the most difficult license that you can get in crypto world. We have license in Caribbean. We will have licenses in Mica.

When we'll start license Mica, we will show our platform to work and we'll show that we are working in next month with Sapphic insight. We will show our office. I will be on the marketing video. We'll show our office and employees. But we cannot start calling people without Mika license.

So right now we are working, we are preparing. I don't want to this part that we, you know, we make a first call before the mica. In my business, all things must be transparent and legit.

So even right now I want to start this calling people to give them opportunity. But we will wait for the Mika license. We spoke with our lawyers last time. Should be end of the June or maybe maximum half of July.

But still we don't have this one. It's difficult. But after this, first of all we will be give some notification on the app.

Second notification of email and the most notification about new project will be of course phone call.

Right, right, right. And you mentioned before having an office in the uae. Are you applying for a different license in the UAE as well as the Mica license?

Yes, of course. But also there is a little bit different. Okay, I Will tell you on the business. When we start.

Let's say our call center part will be Spain Spanish desk. Before this we will apply for Spanish license. We. We have mica already. So this is the Spanish license we don't need. We can use the Mika of course.

But when we start the different countries, first of all we'll make out it. Then we will start making events inside this country. Show them we are local. We start sponsoring some kind of sport team. And then we'll start calling.

When you calling, let's say for the Spanish guy. We say, good morning Jose. We have the business, blah blah, blah blah blah. And they ask you okay, where are you registered? We said in Spain.

We have Spain license.

Yeah.

You must live a trust. And with every country that we gonna be for the long time, we should have the license.

There's not something that we have a one license like Caribbean. We can go everywhere. Right now we will start speaking with people and we will have the license applied for every markets.

So this is not the the moment that we will have all license. But will be difficult.

But also if you want to be local for the people, you must to give them local opportunity to check the the company to know the the name. As you probably know, at the European Champions league last year, 17 teams was sponsored by crypto companies.

So you know when you sponsor some kind of team with the. With the Europe, they fear you are local. They know your name even. Even not. Not in a simple way.

They don't saw your faces, they saw your logo somewhere. Somewhere. So they understood the part. I spoke with three different teams in Poland. Two different. Two teams in Poland, one Poland, one team in Spain.

Because one of our investor from the almost beginning is a huge company that make business with sports. And for example we spoke about. This was funny. We spoke about Philippines. I say okay, let's that take Philly Philippines for the football club. They.

They told me, no Philippines play only basketball.

There you go.

You. I. You know, you know, I don't know this part. So if you want to create local, we need to be local. So we're not sponsoring like all the old world.

We need to understood that Filipinos they are like basketball. So we should sponsor basketball. This is the reason that we want to be local. OkX, for example, sponsor Manchester City.

Yeah.

And they speak global. When you are Filipinian. You know, if you don't like football like most of Filipinos.

Yeah.

You don't know. Okay. They are not playing basketball. So if you want to be local, you must understood the local business. And be there.

Good to know. Good to know. I, I would have thought Philippines, maybe soccer, but basketball. There you go.

Yes, soccer, football. Different pronouns of the part of the world. But yeah, true. Cryptocom and states sponsoring LA Galaxy and LA Basketball club.

So it's sponsored both sites.

Very good, very good. So at the moment we can't pin you down on giving us crypto tips on new projects that you've seen. But we can still buy the NoE token, right?

So people can buy the binance token or the gate token. Token. It's a utility token used on the exchange. We can still buy that one.

Yes. NOI token right now is on mxc. And the utility of this token will be of course, something like all the tokens of the new listings.

So ido, but also utility will be accessed to rwa. Also, we want to create one thing that no one did in crypto in a proper way. We want to create crypto lottery.

Okay.

When you look, you pay money to lottery, you don't ever know how much money the lottery earn of this business. But in blockchain is transparent. So we can show the world that this is the whole amount you can win this part.

Yeah.

So we don't you have some kind of mystery accounts that we will deposit money. Blockchain is transparent. And the second thing, we make audit and we ask people what is the most scary thing when you make money on lottery?

And people answer that my friends and family will know.

Yes.

In crypto they will not know.

And maybe the government doesn't know because some countries lottery winnings are taxed and some, some countries they're not taxed.

Some kind, some kind of different, different, different word. In crypto you want to have everything, let's say anonymous. But right now you, you shouldn't be anonymous. But we can use this part of anonymous. Okay.

We will send someone this lottery win. And this is. We can only see wallet. I think his wife will. Don't remember all wallets. So someone will be secure.

Yeah, yeah. I mean in, in Australia, where I, where I am, if you win the lottery, there's no tax on that.

But for some, for someone who lives in the usa, if you're American and you win the lottery, you have to pay tax on that.

So I'm thinking someone, someone who wins the lottery and it's the crypto lottery, they might suddenly just pack up and move to another country very quickly.

You know, there is a people that in Germany you don't have taxes from the lottery. And in, in Poland, Netherlands, Austria, you Have so where the average lottery people come to Germany make their the tickets waiting in.

I love it. I love it. That's very cool. So at the moment we can buy the Neue token is just N O I it's on MEXC exchange.

Correct.

And we'll be able to buy it on your exchange. Obviously once the license goes through. But any other plans to list on other exchanges at the moment?

Yes. From July we will be listed on the smaller exchange. Every week will be new exchange.

And after we will receive received the volume community that will be proud. I don't want to be put on the big exchange and just wait. We want to be proud of the community. I want to proud be of all you.

And I want to attract a lot of people and understood that we are not something that disappeared. And then when we attract people, I think after summer we will be on the bigger exchanges for us.

I understood this in crypto that people don't like this words for us is a long, long term run. So we want to be everywhere. But let's say for example there is a big exchanges, small exchanges that cover some kind of part of the world.

For example, Korea is a little bit different. In Korea, few exchanges that exist only there and they have a huge volume. So there's a few exchanges like wix, Coin Store, Bitmart.

There is a lot of small uzx. There's a lot of small names like. Like this that they cover some kind of part of the world. We all want to be international.

We want all want to be global. Yeah, but some exchanges are better in Latin, Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay somewhere. Some exchanges are better in Singapore, Indonesia.

So right now we want to be on the small exchanges everywhere of the world. And then with our volume will be something that we can proud. Our community will be something proud. We will go somewhere bigger. But also you.

You must remember, our token must be too big to fall to apply to big exchanges.

Yes.

Because if will be on the middle of the small guys and the big guys. This could be some. Some moment that big exchanges will say, okay, we will not list you because you will start a client. Yeah, we. We have.

We have one meeting with one big exchange. I don't want to say the name. And they say we're not gonna list you. I say, why is that? You know, I really like you. We can, we can do this.

But to be honest, we don't want to concurrent in the business. Yeah, you will. You'll be someone that can store their clients. So we will not help you. So but you know, we Will have.

When we will have big volume and big community, we can buy everywhere and everyone will accept us because they want to have bigger, bigger guys, big players.

So we must be on the small exchanges, create big volume, big community and then apply for a bigger guys and say, hey, we are new in the room and to be on your exchange also. And you will be on our.

Yeah, I think you and, you and I were talking yesterday and it was, it was a 2 o' clock in the morning call, but we were talking about other, other utility coins, other exchange coins. And you know, like Binance coin was only listed on Binance and gatecoin's only listed on Gate.

But when they become listed on other exchanges, sometimes we've seen them explode and go up by like 2,000%, 3,000%. So, you know, is, is there any, any forecast? No, no promises. But you know, what, what's the forecast for the, for the noe token?

Is it going to be like 10 times or 20 times?

I cannot say this one elegant, but there is possibility to make money on noa token. And when you say about utility tokens and explode because people are scary that you have utility on your own only.

And if some believe that utility will be, that will be explode. Noi token right now could be somewhere. I cannot say where, but that would be a huge step. That would be something that I'm gonna be proud.

Yeah, I will, I will just pronounce what Brad Pitt said on the Oscars. I will put this in my Twitter profile. That will be so huge for me.

Yeah. Okay. So at the moment we bought, we buy the noe token, you can use it later on for the exchange to pay for your brokerage.

And obviously that token gets used up. Then are we then also buying tickets in the lottery or is that airdropped or how does that work? Is that using up the tokens as well?

Yes. Also right now we're speaking with one company that's selling flights and I would say you say it in a business way.

They offer cash back for every affiliate that's selling their flights.

Yeah.

So we can offer people to buy noi tokens for the flights to the people.

So we will not have possibility to make money from this cash back, but we will have possibility to create a lot of people that trade our token, our token make a volume. So for us, the most important thing is to put noi token everywhere you can. My dream is to pay by booking com for buy Noa token something awesome.

So this is the reason that we want to be everywhere we Want to be the token that you believe that you can pay something and you can do something. This is the reason for us.

And utility of the token should be something that could go to utility of the company and also could, could be some kind of almost legal tender somewhere.

Yeah, perfect. Perfect. Sounds brilliant. So as long, as long as we know there's. There's an end use for it not just being used on the exchange. I mean I.

I remember interviewing Shep 7, eight years ago now. We interviewed the founder of Fire Lotto who started like a crypto lottery thing many years ago.

And because they're always using up the token, there's always being burned, always being bought back. So that sort of held the value. So I'm seeing a similar thing here. So again, people who want to buy the NOE token jump onto Mexc Exchange.

And if people want to sign up like in advance, can they jump onto your website? Can they join the newsletter? How do they connect with you? Podcast.

First of all we mostly use Twitter.

Second telegram people can give our whitelist just email and they will have announcement about platform few days before and possibility to buy Noi token not from the maxi but from us. When platform start from the wild list will be some kind of extra promotion for people.

But I want to give some gratification for people that believe in us. If you believe in us for the last five, five, six months, I want to gratify you because you believe in me also.

So I want to send send you flowers, say okay, thank you for, for this.

Yeah, yeah, fantastic. So to get on, get on the white list, it's noe exchange. No, I exchange exactly net.

Yes.

Fantastic. Really appreciate your time. I understand you are running late for your meeting now, so get back on the road. Thank you so much. We look forward.

We'll probably do another interview after the exchange is launched in a few months time as well.

Perfect. Thank you much for the invitation. It's difficult to speak with someone with such a difference of time zones, but we did it. Thank you very much.

We work it out. Appreciate you being flexible. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Have a nice day. Bye bye.