Tom Lange was the lead homicide detective for the LAPD on the night of June 12, 1994. When a call came in about a double homicide on the west side of Los Angeles, Lange and his partner Phil Vannatter were the detectives the department trusted with its highest-profile cases. What they were about to work would become the most watched criminal trial in American history.

In this first of two parts, Lange walks through the night hour by hour: arriving at Bundy Drive at 4AM, assessing the crime scene, and then making an unusual decision — ordered by brass — to leave Bundy before the scene was fully processed and drive to OJ Simpson's Rockingham estate. At that point, Simpson was not a suspect. He was the estranged husband with two sleeping children. What Lange found when he got there changed that calculus entirely.

The moments Lange describes are precise and unhurried: Fuhrman scaling the estate wall, the unanswered front door, the conversation with Arnelle Simpson, Kato Kaelin's three thumps in the night, and the walk down a dark corridor behind the bungalows that ended with a right-hand leather glove in the middle of the path. A match to the one already bagged at Bundy Drive.

Then comes the detail that still sits uncomfortably even three decades later: a witness at LAX watched OJ Simpson dump items from a small duffel bag — the same one Kato tried to carry and OJ refused to let him touch — into an airport trash container at 11PM. The witness didn't come forward until nine months into the trial. The trash was long gone. The bloody clothes, the shoes, the murder weapon — none of it was ever found. Three pages of investigative evidence that never reached a jury.

Part 2 picks up with the OJ interview, the moment Lange realized he was talking to a sociopath, the Bronco chase, and why a case this strong was never going to be won.

Well, I'm figuring now we got a problem.

We could have another

crime scene here later.

She denied saying that, but she, that's

exactly what she said.

She didn't know.

Today, the lead homicide detective in the

OJ Simpson murder case tells

us what the jury never heard.

Detective Tom Lange was the lead homicide

investigator for the LAPD.

On the night of June 12th, 1994, he got a

call about a double on the west side.

What he found would become the most

watched criminal

trial in American history.

First of all, great.

Thank you very much for having me.

And I'm honored that you'd

even ask me to be out here.

Basically what we had, we

were on call, excuse me.

And Phil and I that particular night for

any homicide that would occur within the

city of Los Angeles at the time, we had

18 geographical units and 18 g-air

geographical areas, but our HD would have

only high profile cases.

Cases that took more time, serial killing

cases, not because we're any better, but

we perhaps had a little more experience

than most of the units and we had the

time and more importantly, the resources

to handle high profile cases.

I was spoken about 3 AM by Michael Oster,

John Rogers, who simply said,

we've got a double on the west side.

Here's the address.

Uh, see you there.

Everything.

Nothing is really

discussed until we get there.

It's just that you're

rolling on these things.

It's happened many times before.

Uh, we'll find out what's going on once

we get there, but there's not a lot of

conversation that goes off initially.

All he said was he was going to double on

the west side and here's the address.

So I had the Bundy address and as I hit

it down there, there's no traffic, which

was good, uh, I don't think in the double

on the west side was kind of unusual

because of crime rate in the Brentwood

area, the west LA areas, similar to the

loan compared to the rest of the city.

Uh, so it's kind of rare.

So I really didn't know what was going on

at the time, which is kind of the way we

want to keep it initially.

Once I got there, I noticed that the, uh,

tire scene, the entire Bundy block had

been blocked off by tape and the police

cars on either side,

north and south on Bundy.

There's an alley behind the location that

they've also been secured.

What we look for in a crime scene is, uh,

we want to expand it, uh, in a crime

scene, obviously in the bodies are there

and evidence is there.

That's not the first thing we look at.

We want to expand a crime scene out.

It's just as far as we can go because

what comes in goes out and we don't know

how far out this evidence could lead us.

So they've done a really good job

extending out the crime scene a couple of

blocks at all areas that had the rear,

uh, alley secured also.

Uh, when we got there again, there was

very few people, um, that Bundy was

completely closed down.

And I got there, I guess it was close to

four o'clock red or 4AM.

And the first problem I saw that we had

was it was Monday morning.

Monday is a major thoroughfare between.

Bundy Drive and, uh,

uh, going to going north for traffic.

People going to work in the morning and

usually starts about six 30 or seven.

We've been having a problem

regardless of this crime scene.

There was there, we had to

keep that street blocked off.

So we had to take

that into consideration.

Uh, and once we got

there, we did fight out.

It was a male and a female.

The female was told to be either OJ

Simpson's current wife or a strange wife.

We didn't know we knew they were not

living together at the time.

So it was some marital discussion, you

know, and I was that the other young man

had not been identified at the time.

Generally in a homicide scene, again, I

can say that really the body is enough,

the most important thing.

Why is there evidence of the crime scene?

Everything is evidence.

It sounds a little impersonal to say

that, but the bodies are in fact evidence

and it must be treated like evidence with

obvious certain respects.

When you arrived on the scene at Nicole's

home, uh, the site of the two murder

victims were the bodies

inside or outside them?

Yeah, both the bodies were outside the,

the home, uh, near the truck door.

Okay.

And at that point, go on and let us know

what your initial observations were and

your theories about

what might've happened.

Okay.

Well, very strong a little later, uh,

initially at a crime scene, you want to

make sure it's

secured as much as you can.

Again, the biggest problem we foresaw is

the fact that Bundy drive with the opened

up very shortly when the sun came up,

look, you lose the media.

Uh,

once we found out that, uh, Simpson's,

uh, white or strange white was involved.

Uh, this kind of, uh, through a wrench

into the end of the works, that of the

media was going to be showing up.

We had a commander on the scene who made

a decision, uh, as far as Simpson.

Now at this point, another officer had

arrived at the name of Mark Fuhrman.

I know you know who that is.

He had worked, he's not a homicide cop.

He was a detective that worked West LA.

He was familiar with Simpson.

He was familiar with a couple of radio

calls and he had handled when OJ and

Nicole had a couple of

arguments, he'd showed up.

And so he knew where we're rocking.

Am I was where Simpson's home was the

commander made a decision because of

everything we had going on in the

notoriety of the case that Fuhrman and

his partner, uh, Ron Phillips and myself

and my partner Phil

Vannatter would take a

take two cars and go up to Rocky game,

which is only a couple of miles away as

the crow flies, we got there.

We were in contact.

OJ Simpson explained to him what was

going on, but the problem that his wife

or ex wife was no longer living.

We also had two children.

Oh geez.

Kids, kids were sleeping upstairs.

By the time I had lied, they'd have been

removed to West LA station.

They were not there, but

they weren't out of concern.

He certainly should be notified that his

children were there and they should

pick them up or maybe a fort down to the

station or whatever.

So once we got there, we did, we leave

Fuhrman and Phillips with Simpson.

We tell him what was going on and we

would return and handle the

crime scene investigation,

this had to happen right away before the

sun came out before the track, I can have

anything else because we would have other

problems that would come off.

You know, they go out

from here a little bit more.

I'm confused though, because my

recollection, and

again, this is 32 years ago.

I may have forgotten some things, but I

thought OJ before any interview occurred

with or any communication really between

you or any other members of the LA police

department had already gotten in a limo

and going to the airport

and took off for Chicago.

Are you saying that there was actually a

conversation with him

before he left the city?

No, no, I haven't gotten to that point.

That's why I wonder if you want to

continue on with what

happened when we got to, to Rocky.

Yeah.

Okay.

So in other words, you've

been to the murder scene.

Uh, you've done your initial

observations,

collected evidence, et cetera.

And now you're going

over to where OJ lived.

Is that correct?

Yeah.

No, we haven't done

anything at the crime scene.

The crime scene like this is no

collection of evidence till a criminal is

shows up, uh, till everything gets noted,

documented photograph.

Uh, crime scene like this will take

hours, hours, but first things first type

of thing, this commander had in mind

other things to look at the big picture.

This is not a crime scene where we're

going to be left alone to our own devices

to handle if it was as great.

That's the best thing in the world.

To have a said cop that he's there all by

himself with all of his people, prints,

photo photographers, criminalists, got

all the time in the world.

Nobody's going to bother us.

That wasn't this case.

And we knew it was

going to get a lot worse.

That's why the four of us went up there

to remain with Simpson, assuming he was

there, we assumed he was there and the

other two would come back and continue

with the crime scene.

So getting back to rock again, the four

of us arrived up there in two cars, uh,

right about five, 10 AM, five 15 in the

morning, there's a phone right at the, at

the front of the house.

So there's an Asford gate with a huge

gate and there's a Rockingham gate on the

other side to the west of

the, uh, of the entrance.

And we're now talking about

the residents of OJ Simpson.

Is that correct?

When you say Rockingham?

Yeah.

Rocking 360 Rockingham.

Now we went up to like this heads about

two miles as the crow flies took us less

than five minutes to get up there.

No traffic.

The two cars pulled up, went up

Rockingham, North and Rockingham to the

Rockingham gate, the main gate to the

house, uh, which was

closed, uh, no access there.

So we went around the corner to the back

gate, which was the Asford gate.

Now the Ashford gate was very similar to

the Rockingham gate, but they had a phone

outside phone we could

call inside the residence.

So we stopped.

The first thing we're going to do is get

out of the phone, see if we can get

somebody inside,

hopefully Simpson is in there.

Uh, we saw two cars in the

driveway that were the lights on.

Uh, obviously to us at five 15 in the

morning, uh, there were people home,

probably sleeping when we do there was

someone inside because of

the cars and the lights on.

We figured there probably was.

Well, we got out of the phone and tried

to get in and no one would answer.

Once we did that, the Asford gate, uh,

was secured, but it wasn't locked.

There was a wall connects

on both sides of the gate.

The wall is not, it's

only like five feet high.

I believe it was 15 inches thick.

Very easy to get over the wall.

Once we had a problem with the gate, we

noticed it while it was not locked.

The latch was inside.

Fuhrman is standing by the wall.

So he says, well, I can just

jump over and open the gate.

He says, yeah, go ahead and do that.

So it took two seconds for Fuhrman to

crawl over that five foot

wall, get on the other side.

And he opened the gate

for us and we went in.

Now there's some concern at this time

about the lack of

response from inside the house.

Nobody's answering the phone again.

There's cars in the driveway.

There's lights on inside.

The porch light is on.

The four of us go to the front door,

knocking the door, no response, ring the

bell, no response, becoming more

concerned at this point.

You just left the

very bloody crime scene.

The estranged wife or the wife still away

from OJ and another man of

him brutally slaughtered.

This was not just a hit and run on the

assembly, but some tiny, there was some

kind of a fight from

the initial observation.

Now, very might at this time, we haven't

done any deep investigation at all of the

crime scene and no very

little about what's there.

I don't know nothing

about the evidence yet.

Again, the buyers are the last thing in a

crime scene and homicide investigator is

really concerned with going back to the

Rockingham house,

nobody's answering the front.

So we decided to go around the rear when

we go around the rear and we approach and

there's a rear door going

in the rear of the house.

We're not going to do it on the screen.

That's how screen that's kind of a glass

door on the outside.

We knocked down at no response.

There are three bungalows on attached to

the house on the side of the property

line, nobody's answering the house.

So we went to the bungalows.

The first bungalow, a young woman opens

the door as our nail.

So J's, uh,

daughter, we got quesadilla at the same

time, like what is it at the same time,

firmly goes next door and

knocks on another bungalow.

And it's Kato Kaelin

about the same time.

Both of them come to the front doors.

I'm talking to R and L firmness next

door, talking to, uh, Kato

Kaitlin, my partners behind me.

So obviously we've woken both of them up.

This is like I said, right about now,

five 20 in the morning and they're ready

to know what's going on.

All of a sudden there's four cops

knocking on their doors at five 20 in the

morning, they're very concerned.

Our nail is white eyed and she's half

asleep and she's what happened.

Is everything okay?

And what's going on?

Well, we don't want to hit her with

anything right away.

When I see if anybody's inside the house.

And so I said, uh, uh, after we've

identified ourselves, of course, I said,

listen, is your dad, is your dad home?

Simpson wasn't home, but what Lange found

would change everything.

You have a key to get in the house.

Can I get in there?

And she says, uh, well, yes.

And I'll see what's, what's going on.

What's, what's, what happened?

I said, I'll explain everything to you,

but I'd just like to see

if your dad's here for now.

Okay.

So she goes and she gets a key.

Meanwhile, that store.

Fuhrman is talking to Kato and we're not

aware of that conversation right now.

All my attention is

getting inside the house.

We possibly have another crime scene.

We've already already also been told as a

housekeeper who lives in there.

So I know it goes as she starts opening

doors and no, if you will, let

me, let me use the key myself.

I'm going to just check out everything.

She's starting a panic.

She really getting upset

and you can't blame her.

She really believes down my mind that her

dad is inside the house as I do.

Now I'm expecting possibility of fighting

another crime scene.

It's like we just left.

I unlocked the door and I go ahead.

And the first thing I go to the house

keepers, uh, bedroom.

Nobody's there.

Find out later the

housekeeper had that Sunday night off.

Uh, the bed is made no problems.

I walk around inside.

I yell a couple of things.

Uh, OJ, you're here.

No lights are on upstairs and looking

around and everything is fine.

I worked back out by this time.

Kater was come out and he's explained

that sets him the night before it got out

of played, it was heading for Chicago.

Great.

Now there's no problem here.

Fine.

Um, he's in Chicago.

So I finally have to test it.

Tell, uh, have to tell that, uh, Arnold,

that, uh, Nicole has been killed.

I didn't say how didn't

say why or anything else.

She starts screaming.

These are upset.

Kato's in shock.

I said, we're going to leave these two

detectives here with you.

And I'm going back and we're going to

come back just as soon as we can.

We have the kids in custody.

They're at the police station.

Uh, sometime we're going to try to hold

your dad, um, and see if he can come and

pick them up, we're going to get back and

talk to you just as soon as we can.

But for now, I'm going to ask you just to

stay here with these detectives.

Um, they will talk to you later and I'll

get back to you just as soon as I can

make some modifications and talk to your

dad, she's not a suspect at all.

Uh, he's been out of town and I don't

know the details about any of that,

except that it's not here.

So clearly it's not the indicators in

kind of a suspect that these couple of

thousand miles away.

So that strikes me though.

Correct me if I'm wrong again, but.

It seems odd perhaps based on what I see

on television, a little bit.

I know about law enforcement that, that

you would go to the home of the suspect

or the victims estranged or, or in this

case divorced husband to let them know

that their ex wife has been murdered.

I mean, wouldn't that normally happen

much later if at all?

I mean, normally I would think when you

see a murder victim, your first instinct

wouldn't be to go to her ex husband's

house to interview him to

see if he's okay or whatever.

Excellent point to it.

Agree.

You're correct.

Unless this is a high profile case,

unless the media is involved and unless

you have a commander or deputy chief at

the scene or is interested in imagery,

not necessarily your investigation.

This is one of those things that, uh, it

kind of brought you that you have to put

up with it, but it's part of the deal.

The brass is interested in imagery.

I'm interested in

investigating the murder.

This one I understood.

Plus we had the two

children, very young kids.

We had to consider that

this wasn't my choice.

It was a choice of the brass to do this.

Any high profile case,

you're going to have that problem.

We had the same problem when he was going

to turn himself in or we were

going to go out and arrest him.

The same, same problem occurred because

we don't like to do

things with the media.

We don't do perp walks.

Right.

The brass was the perp walks.

They liked the media.

They got a press media.

We don't tell me what happened when you

first, um, interviewed OJ about the

murders and your first conversation with

him, uh, and tell me when that occurred

and what he said and what your thoughts

were after the interview.

Okay.

Well, uh, contacted him

on the phone initially.

So I am assuming you're talking after

when he returned to LA.

Yes.

Okay.

Uh, he returned to LA.

He said, uh, he was going to be back in

the first light that he could.

And when he did return, he

was picked up at the airport.

We wanted to pick him up.

We know he insisted that, uh, uh, he

would come by with his attorney or the

friend by rocking him.

This point, I have to say this really

quick by the time he was on a plane

coming back while he wasn't necessarily a

suspect, uh, the glove had been found.

Rocky him had been

declared a crime scene again.

You have to make decisions sometimes in a

hurry, but you have to make

decisions one way or the other.

We're not going to sit and

wait for him to come back.

What's that glove was found.

That's a crime scene.

It was secured as such.

I made a decision that, uh, affirmative,

his partner would remain there at the

crime scene, Phil would go get a search

warrant to search for acting him.

I would return to Bundy and start

conducting that crime scene.

We would await symptoms arrival.

Then we would hook up back at Parker

center where we would interview him.

Once he got there, the glove was a key

piece of evidence, obviously.

And it became a very

controversial piece of evidence.

Tell us how the glove was found when it

was found and, uh, you know,

I'm still at the crime scene.

All four of us are, as I said, I'm

dealing with our nail.

Fuhrman is talking to Kato Kaelin.

Kato makes a statement.

And in fact, that he was

in bed the night before, uh,

when he heard a loud bay or something

outside of his wall, he's in his bed,

leaning against the outside wall and

there's an air

conditioning unit right outside there.

And he heard three faults on the wall.

And he couldn't understand.

He thought that had been an earthquake.

He's telling us the Fuhrman when he's in

his initial statements.

Fuhrman gets this information, uh, later

I'll several minutes later.

He says, okay, Kato hang on here.

We'll be back to see a little bit.

He goes outside and tells

his partner what Kato had said.

That there was just stopping noises and a

little shaking behind his bed.

As he was talking to his girlfriend on

the telephone, Fuhrman goes back around

just to see where made in

the noises were coming from.

Uh,

he walks back there.

There's a narrow corridor behind the

bungalows leading back to an area where

there's just a lot of junk, the, uh,

there's an old busted wheelbarrow and his

shovels, russet shovels and tires and

things where there's

just junk back there.

It's very dark back there.

So for it enters the gate is off.

It's leaning against the bungalow.

There's no lights, like I said, but he

starts walking back there towards the air

conditioning unit that juts out blocking

the passage to the, this

junk yard in the back area.

And then he looks in each season, he

looks on the ground as he's walking with

flashlight and he sees the glove right in

the middle of the war.

Wait near the air conditioning unit.

He looks at it and he had been at the

crime scene like an hour before I had, he

was related with the evidence.

It was there.

He was so familiar with the fact that

there was a left leather glove at the

crime scene between the two bodies.

They never saw a right glove while they

were there, but 15 officers who were

there before him never saw a right hand

glove at the crime scene.

So he was looking and he

sees this left hand glove there.

So we have two and two is four, four,

four is eight comes back out and he tells

his partner what's going on.

His partner finds me and he says, uh, for

him and find the glove.

He wants to show it to you.

And I said, what's going on?

He said, well, it looks like

the left glove from a Bundy.

Now he's partnered been like hour before

I had also, they have

more information than I do.

I wasn't aware of any of this evidence

until I find out about a

glove, the right angle here.

There's a left handed glove

back over at the crime scene.

So I go and I look at the glove and they

say, oh, so left handed

glove and everything else.

So I'm looking at this and for him and

his partner discussing everybody didn't

understand why there was only a right

left handed glove there.

Now they tell me that they were bloody

footwear impressions, leaving the scene

and alongside the bloody footwear

impressions, there was tailing the blood

alongside and in conjunction with the

direction and the, of the footwear

impressions indicating perhaps whoever

left the footwear impressions and blood,

the source was also the

left side of their body.

It was making these tailing of the blood

trail alongside the footwear impressions.

They were cooperating one another.

And in other words, bloody footwear

impressions were walking this way.

The blood was tailing on the same

directions, adjacent to

the footwear impressions.

All right.

Let me just ask.

I mean, obviously you've got a left

handed glove at the scene full of blood.

It obviously belonged to the murder.

And now you found the matching, what

seemed to be maybe the matching glove at

the residence of OJ Simpson.

Um, right away, I mean, in your head, are

you thinking, wow, maybe

OJ murdered Nicole and Ron?

Uh, yes and no.

Let's, a little light goes

on in the back of your mind.

You got a hundred

other things you're doing.

You don't jump to conclusions at all.

Again, we got to go by what we see at the

time when we see it and

take action at that time.

You can right away, the action taken here

would have to be, this is declared a

crime scene period, but you can't do

anything without a warrant under those

circumstances that's when

decisions had to be made.

So that decision was find the DMS and

another, another problem we had initially

is we needed to district attorney is

going to be high profile case.

We do this at the time.

We got to get a DA involved early on.

We had a little discussion,

Phil and I did about Marcia.

This is this all of this stuff I put into

a book and that's one of the reasons I

wrote the book because there are so many

little things that

happened at the same time.

It's difficult for me to throw them all

in here at the same time.

It's flighted, but I'll try to get around

a lot of these things.

The decision was made to

get our DA contact her.

It was Marcia Clark, get a warrant, Phil

would return and then when they conduct a

crime scene investigation at Rockingham.

I mean, well, I would return to Bundy and

do the same thing and that's what

happened, a waiting session coming back.

At what point or, or ever was a Kato

Kaelin considered a subject suspect?

Kato Kaelin never really wasn't suspect.

Uh, he was very cooperative.

You could tell with his demeanor that,

uh, I had a lot of experience talking to

people at this point, my career.

Right.

And this is not any kind of a suspect in

my mind, but of course, if there were any

evidence to show otherwise, he had been

treated as a suspect.

He and Arnel at this point are witnesses.

So it was just interesting and it was

just interesting and coincidental then

perhaps that the glove and the blood

trail, uh, was along the exterior of his

bungalow and that may have been the

explanation as to when he said he heard

the three thumps against his wall was

perhaps when that individual OJ Simpson

was going through that passageway.

Yes.

And no, there was no

blood trail back there.

Just the glove by itself.

Fuhrman did the right thing and following

up on what he heard from Kato Kaelin,

uh, it just makes sense.

It's so when you effective as a homicide

cop, you gotta be very nosy.

Okay.

You got to ask questions.

You got to follow up

at every little thing.

And this is what Fuhrman did.

And he did it properly.

I have a lot of problems with the way he

handled a lot of things, but in this

case, he did the right

thing and following up.

Now I want to, I want to back up and

clarify something because we all know

what you just told us about how OJ left

and went to Chicago in your investigative

steps, you clearly found out like through

the FAA and the flight logs or whatever

airline, perhaps he

flew, did he fly private?

Did he fly commercial

and when did he leave?

And what was the purpose of going to

Chicago or at least what he said the

purpose was and how soon did he get back?

Okay.

A flu commercial airlines, they've been

picked up by a limousine.

Now again, here's more important things

that occurred, uh, when he was picked up.

He was picked up a little after just

before 11 PM, perhaps.

I don't have the minutes.

It's probably been maybe about a quarter

to 11 or something like

this, uh, that evening.

Uh, he was running almost a little late.

Uh, the limo driver, a lot of things are

happening here at the same time.

You want me to go

into all of these things?

I can't, uh,

Simpson is waiting for the limo.

The limo shows up coming up.

Rockingham or the driver label Allan Park.

He later tells us he goes by the Rockingham

gate because it seems to be closed.

He turns around on the Ashford goes to

the Ashford gate goes to the phone like

we did the same phone.

And the night before, of course, he tries

to get something inside.

Nobody answers.

He realizes it now

it's about 20 of 20 to 11.

And he looks up and he sees someone

walking across the lawn

towards the front door.

From the Rockingham gate.

He says, you can't really recognize him.

The later I, he says, I

believe that's OJ Simpson.

This person enters

the front goes upstairs.

He gets back on the

phone and Simpson answers.

Simpson says something to the effect to

just get out of the shower.

Um, I'll be down at a couple of minutes.

You can come in the gate.

And again, like I said,

the gate wasn't locked.

She says, okay, fine.

I'll do that.

So Allan Park pulls the limo in

through the Ashford gate.

At this point, a couple of minutes later,

Cato comes out later.

Simpson comes out with some bags.

You got a golf club. And one bag has got

other smaller bags there.

He's just going for an

overnight trip to Chicago.

It's one of the

companies that he sponsors.

They're having a golf

tournament or something.

Then that effect is going

to play in the following day.

It's going to be staying at

night in a hotel in Chicago.

Reservations are then

made everything is planned.

The limo will take him to the airport.

He'll do his thing in Chicago. Come back the next day. They'll do was staying in Chicago.

Come back the next day.

There was a time, but before you go on,

um, I just want our audience to

understand the timeline here.

The murders occurred what,

approximately 9pm that night.

And now we're talking about OJ getting

into a limo at his house at 11pm.

Is that approximately correct?

No, no.

Oh, okay.

I'm going to say, and it there's a lot of

discussion on this too.

The murders occurred —

the DA says — about 10:15 PM.

I don't believe that's true at all for

other reasons we get into.

I'm going to say about 10 35.

Okay.

We went between Bundy and later on by the

investigation that we wanted to see how

long it would take on a Sunday night,

about 10 30 to get some Bundy to rock.

We did it three different ways.

Slow, fast red lights and siren very

slow, stopping for every lights and

everything else at no point to take us

forward four and a half minutes.

And on Sunday night at 10 35

to get from Bundy to right.

Yeah.

Four and a half minutes max.

This gives him plenty of time with, with

the level drivers, uh, 10 40, uh, beliefs

that that's what he kind of pulled up and

says, it wasn't there Simpson walking in

and putting everything at the limo,

getting in there, going to the airport.

Um, a lot of little things happening here

in the, in the end of them when the

loading up the car, one of them, uh, Kato

was trying to, to try to get all the, uh,

luggage and the golf clubs in the limo

because they might be running a little

late tail goes to grab this small duffel

bag and Simpson says, no, leave it alone

and I'll take care of that.

And which later on Kato tells us about,

he's a bit surprised about that, but they

load everything up and the

limo takes off at the airport.

Allan Park says they get to the airport.

They get there about 11

little after 11 o'clock.

As they pull up American airlines, the

second level at LAX, there's nobody

wrong, no traffic,

the limo pulls right up.

I'm being honest to them.

There's a small vehicle and M G M and M G

convertible part behind the limo.

There's a man in it.

He's waiting for his wife who happens to

work at airlines, the American airlines

counter, she gets off at 11.

She's running a little bit late.

He's picking her up from work.

The limo pulls in front of this.

He looks at the limo.

There's nothing else

around nor the traffic.

And he sees OJ Simpson jump out.

He looked at it and we saw, Oh, there's

OJ Simpson, a red cap comes out.

They start taking the luggage out.

The golf clubs out and the, the Island

park and the red cap, take the golf clubs

and everything else inside the, uh, the,

uh, terminal and he

looks at turns around.

He looks again, he's looking for his wife

and he's looking back over.

She's running a little late.

He turns back around and at the entrance,

there are two trash containers.

One on the left, one on the right.

There are about 44 inches high.

They're open on four answers.

The flat top on both.

He sees OJ Simpson standing next to the

one on the left of the opening and a

small duffel bag that is described later

by Kato Kaelin is on

top of the container.

Simpson is reaching into the bag,

removing some kind of objects and taking

them out and pushing them

into the trash container.

Now, very light.

The bodies have not been found.

Nobody's expected of anything there.

So the, the man waiting for his wife

and like a man, but that

was skipped to us, uh, Mr.

Jonas is watching Simpson do this.

And there's really

thinking anything of it.

He's just taking garbage.

Perhaps he had this bag and putting in

the trash container.

Simpson ships up the

bag after walks inside.

They go on.

I think a key piece of evidence that was

missing, uh, to convict OJ Simpson of the

crime was the, with a stabbing, you would

expect a lot of blood, a lot of blood on

the victims, but also a lot of blood on

the murder and no bloody clothes were

ever found to, um,

help convict OJ Simpson.

And so what you've just described is a

theory that OJ Simpson took his bloody

clothes, put them in that briefcase or

that duffel bag, and then put them in a

trash can at LAX and from what I remember

reading that the duffel bag was then

thrown away when he got to

Chicago in another trash can.

And I don't even know if that evidence

came out at the trial is that, but that's

a key piece of evidence.

Correct.

It is, uh,

there's three

typewritten pages of evidence.

It was never used.

This is another issue we get into.

However, that was one of them.

Yes.

That's very important.

That's just the bloody clothes, but the

shoes, whatever the bloody clothes —

the murder weapon was never found.

What did he put in the trash container?

Did you ever find out what he

put in the trash can at LAX?

We never did because I didn't find out

about it for nine months,

nine months during trial, Mr.

Jonas, after the bodies were discovered

and the news got all of this, it went out

over to all the news stations, skipped

you and us heard the mention that the

murders occurred about nine 40 or so.

And so G Simpson may

or may not be a suspect.

Well, he's sick at nine 40.

I saw him at the airport about 11 or so.

And, and, uh, they couldn't have done it.

So he calls it a fence and a fence says,

thank you very much.

We'll get right back to you.

They never did skip to us.

Nine months later is

watching the trial on TV.

He sees all this going down.

He calls me on the phone.

I have a lunch.

I just left the trial.

I said, where are you now?

He says, well, I haven't worked.

Can you get over to back to the airport

where you saw this and meet us there now?

He says, okay.

So he goes back there.

I grabbed a photographer, my partner.

We run out there.

He gives us a walkthrough.

There's no video

cameras or anything else.

Containers are still there.

Nine months later,

what are we going to find?

There's three pickups a day

going to two common dumps.

No way ever going to find

anything that was taken there.

This is using trial.

I never was

the statement about the duffel bag ended

up being tossed in Chicago.

How would, how was that found out?

I don't know.

I never heard that

because we never found the bag.

We went back to Chicago.

Got other evidence.

We were not that also wasn't

used broken drinking glasses.

That's another story.

We went back to your two days later.

I went back to with the, with Bill, I was

in the DA and another detective.

We searched the

grounds with the Chicago PD.

They were very cooperative.

They secured the, the hotel room where

Simpson was staying.

I found broken glass and blood in there.

Booked all that stuff was never used.

There was a reason that I booked that we

can get into because of the cut figure.

That was one of the elevators he gave to

get three elevators.

Uh, it was staged.

Nine months of evidence.

None of it would ever reach the jury.

When OJ Simpson returned from Chicago,

Tom Lange sat across from him and knew in

30 seconds what they were dealing with.

Join us for part two as we continue our

interview to understand what happened.