AI can analyze patterns faster than any human alive. It can generate questions, recognize behaviors, and never get tired. But as this conversation makes painfully clear, AI knows the grid — humans see the soul. And that distinction may decide who survives the coming collapse of the coaching industry.

Key Takeaways:

1. How coaches are currently using AI in real practice
2. Pattern recognition vs human depth
3. Why speed will never replace nervous system intelligence
4. The rising “thin coaching” problem
5. Why vulnerability is the real ante in the future of coaching
6. AI as a tool — not a replacement
7. What coaches must embody to remain relevant
8. Why most coaches will be priced out of the profession
9. The difference between information and transformation

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This is one of the Thursday episodes, which is the special coaching episodes having to do with coaching and the Rise of AI, the book that I just released a couple three weeks ago and talking about the future of coaching and how AI is or isn't going to affect that and so forth. As with the other episodes, I've got a couple of experienced coaches here that are from different parts of the world. Carla, welcome to the show.

Thank you. I'm really glad to be here.

Ingeborg, welcome to the show.

Thank you. Thank you. Glad to be here.

Okay, so I don't do intros. You're free at any time during your answers or at any time to mention what you do or why you have a particular perspective or anything.

And that'll all come out and that. And that's fine. So let's just get started. The topic here is what AI is or isn't doing to the coaching industry, what it might do.

And I know we need to tell ourselves three or four times, we don't know what we don't know, and we have no idea what's coming. Okay, good. We'll set that aside. And now we're just going to talk about it. Anyway. So, Carla, I read left to right, and you're on my left side.

So you get first, I'm going to ask a couple questions to get us started, and then we'll just kind of go from there. So here's the first question. Are you using AI? If you are, how and what does in your relationship?

I mean, we talk about having a relationship with this thing, and that's kind of funny language anyway, but talk about your experience with this relatively new beastie.

So I. So it is relatively new, and I'm not relatively new, which may seem incongruent, but I actually use AI a fair amount.

And in the context of coaching, the space that I use it in, primarily as if I'm doing group coaching, Right.

So if I have a prescribed content that I want to deliver and then have group coaching and conversation around, I find AI profoundly helpful in helping me design flow, suggesting activities that I might not have considered before.

I use it in that context I do not have not used it and so far haven't been tempted to use it in the face of my, in the context of my individual coaching sessions with, you know, with an individual person. But that's how I've been using it and it's fun.

Oh, all right. So tell me a little bit about your relationship with it.

Yeah, so my discovery is the more I use it, the better friends we become. Right. And, and it seems to the, the better my prompts are first of all, because that really matters is how I dec be in relationship with AI.

And the more I see a resonance with what it, what it seems to know about me, the more that I use it. So and, and I have really learned to, to say things that like I don't want you to pat me on the head, I want you to give this to me straight. Right.

I don't need accolades. I just really looking for form and content and that kind of stuff.

And so I've found being really directive with it, it kind of gets rid of some of the fluff that I'm not particularly interested in. Gets down to the meat potatoes of it.

Cool. So Ingenborg, how about you? Are you using it and if you are, how and what's your relationship with it?

Yeah, yeah, I do do use it quite a lot actually.

I use it for, actually as a sort of person I can use, I think it's really great in pattern recognition which is really helpful in the couples work I do or in a one on one sessions. I use it sometimes as reflections or post reflection sheets I can send to clients. What Carla said is true, you have to.

I've been using it for quite a while so I've been feeding it my prompts and same what Kyla said. Be honest, you know, I don't like the fluff. Be direct with a sense of humor which I like.

And it gets to know me, my methods and everything, what I put in. So it's, it's getting better and better over time. So my relationship as you may call it, is, is quite good. But the thing is it's still AI.

It's obviously faster than a human.

It's all the protocols and the data and the patterns and everything and it can sort of clicks it together but it hasn't got the depth of a human like me or Carla or whatever. So that's the thing, you always have to be really clear and if you're not feeding it the right prompt, you don't get the right answer.

It just continues on that Distortion. So if you not feeding it something consciously or unconsciously as a coach, you won't get the right answer.

So you have to be really clear on that and start asking questions and if he's clear and if he's got the right answer and things like that. So that's the sort of. But for me, yeah, it's really awesome. But.

So both of you said something about getting to know you better. Yeah. And that's a fun way to think about it. And, you know, full disclosure, like, I'm all in.

I just talk to this thing and I tell it to shut up and I tell it to stop doing that. And then I say, am I too angry with you? Are you okay that I piss you off? I mean, I'll talk like that to it all the time.

And as far as the fluff goes, here's a funny story. I told it, okay, enough with the fluff crap. I said, I don't need you to tell me everything I did is brilliant, because it's not. So stop doing that.

So then it started starting every answer with, okay, I'll give you the straight no fluff answer. And finally I said that. I said, okay, quit doing that crap too.

I said, I didn't even read your answer because as soon as I got to the first line, which is, I'll give you the straight no fluff answer, you pissed me off. So let's try this again. I'll go read it again in a minute. But we need to have an agreement. Don't. Don't give me fluff stuff.

Don't tell me everything's brilliant and don't tell me you're going to give it straight. Just talk to me, okay? And it came back and said, understood, you know, not, not. And agreed. Understood and agreed. Like no big long crap, just done.

Yeah.

And so, so sorry. Sorry.

No, no, please.

What I think that points to the fundamental misunderstanding of AI Right there, is that I relate to AI like it's another person. Like there's an actual person on the other end. And I say things like, don't talk to me like that.

And then it says, fine, I won't talk to you like that. And then if you. It moves into its different prescriptive algorithmic response and then I talk to it again and say, stop doing that too. Right.

Like it's another person.

And it will shift its algorithm and it will shift it the way that it responds to me, but it doesn't have the capacity to interface with me in the same way another human being would have the capacity to deeply understand my message.

And I think that's the fundamental concern about what the future may hold for AI and people, for people who are willing to sort of move along at a more superficial level and be satisfied with that.

So that's just. That's a concern, and I agree with it. I want to do those in a minute, so we'll just kind of leave that one as a hanging chat for a sec and we'll.

We'll come back to it. I had a question that came up for me. Both of you mentioned that it got to know you or it started interfacing with you more like you.

The more you put in it. In that process, has it ever come back and said something that surprised you, like, about you?

Yes.

Where you, like, you're doing some stuff and it comes back and says some stuff and you're like, dang, yeah, you know, that kind of a feeling. Talk about that ingabor. You said, yeah, don't care who's first go. What happened?

Yeah, I was. I was using it for myself more sort of my own coach. And we went on to layer and layer and layer, deeper, deeper, deeper.

And it got really interesting because I kept saying back to him or her or it like, I feel there's more. I feel there's more. This is not the only thing. There's more. There's more to it because.

But I couldn't get it myself and him reflecting back to me or it reflecting back to me in words. And then at some point, it sort of clicked. And I thought, this is it. This is what I've been sort of searching for. For. For many, well, years maybe.

And I never really got there. And because I kept going and get going and because it's tireless, you know, it never stops. It doesn't get tired, me asking.

We finally got to the point and it clicks inside of me. And then we worked onto that. Open up the layers. And he explained and.

Well, what I said earlier with all the protocols and the systems and everything and the patterns, because we all sort of based on patterns. And it really helped me. It really opened up, like, something which was hidden for me for a long time.

Cool. Carla, have you had anything happen to you that was, like, surprising?

Well, I haven't used it as my own coach, but I love the fact that you have opened up that possibility for me. Honestly, it never occurred to me, but I'm going to do that because. Absolutely. It's a pattern recognizer, right?

Yeah. Really good one. Yeah. Really fast, as it should be.

But Interesting. It called me a name and it said, well, you're a soul centered disruptor. And I thought, am I now?

You know, I've not considered myself a disruptor before. And I went back and looked at the prompts and I thought, you know, I might be a disruptor, right. So I had that kind of surprise.

And really I really took some space to kind of think about the eyes through which I see myself. And is that an accurate reflection of my way of being that I just not aware of? So that was, it was very cool.

So I had a time when I was, I spent I don't know how many hundreds, maybe thousands of hours in research as I was writing the book and doing this kind of stuff because I had it analyze 11 different coaching models that have names in the world today. And you know, it uses all available data and that isn't everything, I understand that. But I asked it to do two things.

I said, so I want you to analyze. And I gave it the names, analyze these coaching models for how effective are they at getting the results promised.

And then I asked it again and I said, considering the fact that, you know, some things like that are healing, trauma based and somatic and all those other things, they're aimed at a certain thing.

But the difficulty that lots of those healers, healer types who I love have with is that we pay for stuff in money, we don't pay for stuff in feel goods.

So it is a sometimes for some people a stretch to pay a lot of money for this kind of healing that doesn't turn into something for their business or whatever. So anyway, I had it and I'll analyze it from the point of view of how good is this method at getting to what it portends to promise.

And then I analyze them all again for how vulnerable are these methods to AI, in other words, its advances and what it can do well and do poorly and everything else. And I didn't ask, I asked for, you know, it gave me low, medium and high, low vulnerability, medium and high.

And it was fascinating to do all that research. And in the process I'm develop, I developed and it's in the book, a different model, a different coaching approach and model.

And I described it in great detail, in length and how it worked and you know, how to do it and everything else. And then I asked it to analyze it and it produced a beautiful table for me and I put the abbreviated version in the book.

The full version would make the book really fat.

So, but anyway, I ask it to analyze, you know, this what I'M proposing from the same point of view, how good will it be at getting the desired results and what's the AI vulnerability? And in that process, I'm telling all this because I reflected stuff. Some of the questions I ask, it cause it to reflect about me, right?

About what I am and who I am and what I'm doing and everything else. And my experience is that some of the thing, couple of the things that it gave me back actually caused me to get emotional.

And, you know, I had tears in my eyes and I said, like I said, all right, this is really stupid or weird or something. How come I'm having this emotional reaction to reading this stuff? I mean, your circuits and wires, like, what. What's going on here?

And it came back and said something you both alluded to. It said, I'm not making anything up, I'm just reflecting who you are.

And that hit me so hard because it was what you said, Carla, I thought, I don't think I've been able to see some of these things so clearly. So I'm sharing that because I had the same kind of experience.

So if you take that thread, what does that portend for the coaching world, that kind of skill and ability to do that for you individually? Me individually or you individually? I don't care who answers first. But like, what. What is that?

If you think about that, your own experience, what does that portend for the future of coaching?

I think it can accelerate your work because you, you know, it, it helps you with. You don't have to guess.

You can structure your business if you want to scale, things like that, if you want to send offers, programs, whatever you want to build. So it takes away a lot of time.

And I think if you use it like what it's known for the pattern recognition and all the protocols and stuff like that, with the depth of a really good coach, and it sort of filters out the shallow ones. I think that's what's going to happen.

So if you combine it with a good coach and then AI, then it can accelerate your work, make you better, more on point, check yourself if you, you know, sending out something or within or after sessions, stuff like that. So I think it can really help. But it can never replace a human. That's the thing. It can recognize the patterns and things like that.

But the things we have, if we're in front of someone picking up on tone, voice, blinkering of the eyes, your chest tightness, things like that, AI can't do that, and not even next year or the year after it's limited. So, yeah, use it to your advantage. That's what I'm trying to do.

So there's an advantage. And you also said it's going to winnow out.

Yeah.

The lightweights. Carla, what do you think it portends for the coaching industry? Well, profession.

I do think that there will.

That there will be, I guess, a hierarchy of coaches, those who do, who really do already work in that prescriptive, algorithmic piece of coaching, in which case AI has access to far more information, far more modalities, a much more extensive system to recognize patterns, a much more extensive system to generate big, bold, beautiful questions.

So I. I think the future will be well served by learning how to harness kind of what you were just talking about, how do we harness the technology and walk hand in hand with it?

So bring our personal presence, personal expertise, our ability to energetically be present, to be attuned with all of the value that AI has to offer. Right. Including pattern recognition, including the generation of materials that are supported.

You know, I put a thing in that said, here are my top 20 big, bold, beautiful coaching questions. Give me 80 more. And I was dazzled by these questions, right?

So now I have a compendium of questions that every once in a while I take out and look at, because I'm human, so I have that capacity to be really intimately connected.

And I also have the capacity to be really limited by the way I see things and the way I think about things and what I'm listening for and what I'm looking for. So there's some kind of lovely integration that I think will lift the coaching profession in a significant way.

But you got to be willing to go there, right? You have to be willing to be vulnerable. And we can't take people where we haven't gotten, regardless of where AI has gone, right?

So we also have work to do.

What that makes me, I make a claim in the book, and that is this. Most of what passes today for coaching is really crappy, to be honest with you. I just saw a week ago another ad on Facebook.

Somebody sitting in a beach chair, on the beach lawn chair, whatever. You know, those chairs make money from anywhere. Have a good profession and help people and everything. Sign up to be a life coach today.

And I'm thinking, and, you know, certification in two minutes or two weeks or two months or whatever. And I thought, you know, there it is. And that's why I say 95% of coaches by next Christmas won't be able to make a living.

And I defined a living arbitrarily as a hundred K us. And whether that's right or wrong, I don't care if you make a lot less than that. You better have another job or a partner that has a job. Okay?

So that's why I define that as a living. Because most of what passes today for coaching is not deep, it is not connected. It must get taught in coaching methodologies in schools.

And that was my feeling, and that was validated by what the analysis was of the effectiveness of not all, but many of the different methods. And so the thing that makes me, in my head, as you say that is I think there's a huge opportunity and I think it comes with a cost.

And the question is, will coaches who are today in this profession be willing to pay the price?

Well, they will pay the price. If they don't.

True enough. They'll be doing something else.

We'll find out.

Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think that price is? What do you think? Because I have an idea, but I don't want to say it.

I want you guys to say first, what do you think is required? I said 95%. So to be in the top 5% that has the depth, the connection, the truth, the things that AI cannot do what is required to be there?

You mean integrate AI in your practice? Is that what you're asking?

Or you can answer that if you want to. What I was thinking is If I say 95% of coaches won't be able to make a living, but 5% will. I'm just wondering, what does it take?

What do you guys think it takes to be in that remaining successful group that's in high demand and well paid.

Well integrated in, in the right way?

Because what I said earlier, what I feel is you can use it for speed and the pattern recognition, it's far faster than any human can be, but it hasn't got the depth.

So if you use your own depth and use AI and what I said earlier, using it as your own coach as well, so become better, see your own patterns and limitations and things like that, then you become sharper and sharper and sharper and what I use it as intervision as well.

You can do it, obviously with another coach, but if you got one, you know, on hand and, and use right prompts, really good prompts, you, you get better, you learn, teach you things. That's how I use it as well.

So you have to stay on course, you have to be on top of it and, and invest your time and maybe money to learn and getting better prompts. And keep on using it apart from the automation and things like that. You can do that as well, but you can use for a lot more than just that.

That's what I'm doing or planning to do.

Carla, what do you think's the requirement? What's the ante to get up to the.

Yeah. So the first thing I want to say to that, Kellen, isn't an exact answer to your inquiry, but I will say this.

My internal question is, what if this is a way that actually raises the bar for coaches, that actually contributes to the evolution of a profession that's been messy and sloppy over time and anybody can jump in from the beach chair wherever they are. So what if it's really true that this is an evolution professionally, that it points to the nobleness of the work that we do?

Because this is sacred work, Right. When we interface with people as coaches, that's pretty intimate, sacred work.

And when we gain that understanding, then our commitment as coaches, as professionals shifts inside of ourselves. Right? Our commitment changes, our intention changes, our devotion changes. You're right.

Our study changes, our personal work changes and we make it a noble profession.

So I think that the folks who will be successful, clearly, you know, the folks who have attunement, that ability to allow silence to be a part of the process, to really allow pause, to have potency, to be able to follow the emotional and energetic thread of a conversation in a way that pattern recognition will never allow us to do that and be willing to heighten our skills, do our own work. Because I said earlier, you can't take people where you haven't been or haven't been willing to go yourself. Right?

So being willing to do that, to lay ourselves down to vulnerability and ongoing never ending learning, Right. I think those are the folks that will rise to the top of this and call everyone to rise with them who are going to remain in coaching.

I think the other folks will go away.

I love it. I have three things that I think are the barriers and you've both alluded to them and said them, and that's why I didn't want to say mine first.

The three things I have is the head in the sand problem. And that is I've talked to lots of people in both writing the book and preparing and also all of these podcasts.

I probably Talked already to 100 people coaches about this stuff. And one is head in the sand, which is I've already got the human touch. Nobody can be me. I'm, I'm unique and you know, so you know, it'll be okay.

And my answer is, yeah, no, you're dead. If that's you already, you're dead, you're gone. You're going to be drowned in the tsunami before you even know it came.

So the head in the sand problem, the second problem is picture this. Picture a casino with all these blackjack tables. They're all $10 tables. And you go to sit down, and they're all full of robots.

And the only place there is for you or me to go sit down is in the high roller room. And the sign above the door says that the ante is 10,000 bucks. You know, it feels to me like bar ante has been raised.

If you're going to get in this game or stay in this game, the ante to do that is way different. And the third thing is, Carla, you said it already, so I'm just repeating what you said.

If you're not in a process of continual growth and development, you're not going to be there. You have to be on the mountain without a top, intentionally, regularly, and focused so that you can be the places that you want to take people.

Because otherwise, like you said, you can't take people there. The thing that we truly have at AI can't do is that the truth of being human.

In the middle of doing all that research, I, you know, it kept showing me all that it was going to be able to do. And at one point it's like, all right already, for crying out loud, what? And then I asked it, I said, okay, good. What do you suck at?

What are you never going to be? And I actually said that, what are you never going to be able to do?

Where are you going to do A complete face plant, you know, and as many ways as I could describe it, I mean, prompt, right? And I mean, I talk to it like that and maybe you do too. So anyway, it came back and gave me a pretty thoughtful answer.

And then it gave one line at the end and because I asked, you know, what you can't do? And it said, I can't bleed. And to me that was like everything, you know, just, just hit me all in. And it just said, I, I can't bleed.

And I think it used that because I talk about blood on the floor and I talk about crawling over broken glass. And those are the metaphors I use for extremely difficult work or facing shadow work, you know, all those things that just happened to be how I talk.

So it came back and said, I can't bleed.

And if you're, if we are going to be in that place, our connection to vulnerability, our willingness to do the work ourselves and be there, to me, is the anti. I don't know. So what, what, what other thoughts do you have about that?

I think that's, that's pretty much, Pretty much. It's, I would say it's the speed against the depth of a human, the nervous system depth. AI would never get even, not after years.

So, yeah, I'll look at it at. AI sees the grid and we see the human behind the grid. And that's how I look at it, and that's how I try to incorporate this in the coaching.

And I think it will stay like that. I mean, well, obviously we can't look into the future, but for the foreseeable future, the next years, I think that's, that's how it's going to be.

And what I said earlier and what Carla said as well, the, the shallow coaches, they will sort of fall apart. That's what's going to happen.

Nobody's gonna be willing to pay very much to a coach when they can buy $47 a month, whatever there is. Right. I mean, Carla, do you have something that's jumping out of your head to say about that?

I was thinking about when I started and I carried a black bag, right. Back in 40 years ago, we all had our little black bags and I had all kinds of tools that you never see anymore.

We don't use them because we don't need them, because they've been replaced by high level technology that gives us swift information, a shorter period of time that doesn't require a black bag to carry around. I see this as the same kind of evolution.

As long as I'm clear that this is my toolkit and not my replacement, then I can partner with AI in a way that makes me better at what I do.

And it also frees me from a bunch of stuff, document creation or whatever, so that I can really do the work of being the best coach I can possibly be. There's a recent study that shows that AI can read X rays better than human. Human radiologists.

I saw that. Or something that talked about that.

Yeah. Which is, which is true. It, it can read better than radiologists.

I don't know if you can see that, but I get that off because that's, that's its lane of expertise. Right. We have human eyes, we get tired, whatever. Right? This, you said earlier, inward. It does, it never gets tired.

You can keep just saying, do this again, this again, do this again, and I'll do it. Again, okay, so it can read better than a radiologist, but it can't give that patient the news in the same way that I can.

It can't deliver those results with compassion and kindness and tenderness and concern and whatever it is that I need to bring to that encounter. And I feel like that about AI tools in the world of coaching right now. Right.

It can give me good information really fast, and then I have the space and the presence to bring that to the encounter in human form with my whole heart. Because even those.

Go ahead, finish.

I was just going to say. Because I can bleed.

Yeah, because you can bleed. Well, even though I was just thinking about the hundred questions you now have, 20 plus 80. It can be the most genius questions in the world.

But the delivery of the question of the space of the movement, the depth that Ingeborg talked about. So the. The next topic. I'm going to jump onto a new topic. What worries you when you look into the future and I realize you're guessing and nobody.

I got all that. But what worries you when you look at this and you say, yeah, I'm worried, or concerned, if worried is the wrong word.

What concerns you about this gigantic evolution? Not in the world, but in the context of coaching?

Maybe people using it and not checking it with a real human, like just going for the answers from AI.

And what I said in the beginning, if you don't get proper prompts and if you withhold something, maybe because you don't know, consciously, unconsciously, it will give you an answer based on what you put in. And most people, what I find who come to therapy, they know in here, but they don't know, like, real deep inside.

So if you're not on that level, which most people aren't, who come to therapy, you will get an answer. You think, oh, this is what I'm going to do. And it's not the whole answer. It's not what really what you need.

So I think with all the apps people build and stuff, it's really good because it's fast.

You get an answer, you don't have to wait for someone, but still you're sort of feeding it with your own answer, what you like to hear, because you don't know any better. And a lot of people just in general don't want to be honest. They say so, but we don't really like to be.

We try to live by the stories we build in our own head. So you have to come from a place where you've done so much work on yourself and using it, then but most people haven't. So that sort of concerns me.

Worry is a big word, but concerns me that people will just follow whatever AI says and they think, oh, this is it. Or all this talk about narcissistic people. I mean, you see it all the time. Everybody's a narcissist nowadays, which is not true.

And that people will just, you know, have some stuff from AI and they, they sort of diagnose friends, partners, colleagues, whatever. That's. That's my concern.

Carla, what are you thinking about that worries you?

I think it's in a similar vein. I. What I seem to notice is that in general, and I don't like generalizations, but in general, people are really interested in a quick and thin fix.

Right. So I want something that'll pull me back from the ledge where I can kind of bypass the depth of what this might be asking of me and just get by.

I just want to get by. I want somebody or something to tell me what to do. I don't want to take personal responsibility for it. I don't want it to get too deep.

I don't want to lose my edge. And I.

And my concern is that if the general population becomes satisfied with thin level coaching, that that opportunity to actually elevate the profession might slip through our fingers.

Both very, very valid concerns. And it is going to depend on coaches willing to do the work and then people really willing to, to grow.

And I guess I'm optimistic because I think at the end of the day there's going to be enough people who really want to make the best of themselves and are willing to climb whatever the hell mountain it is that it's going to matter. So I have undying optimism about that.

So either one of you, what didn't I ask you that you're dying to make sure I know or that the listeners know about this new technology and it's, you know, bigger than anything that's happened in our lifetimes. Like it's five times as big as the introduction of the Internet and it. The depth and reach.

If you read people thinking thoughtfully about how it's going to reach in all areas and we're only talking coaching, it's an enormous change. And I'm just asking, what else? Did I leave anything out that's like, we should talk about this.

No, I think we covered it all, I would say.

Yeah, we talked about all the, the pros and the cons and what we think will going to happen, how we see ourselves in what way we use it, our concerns. Yeah. And we can sort of fantasize what it's going to be. I mean, that's what we're going to do.

We can sort of, you know, go out of the box and think, you know, this is going to happen. That's. That's the only thing I think we left out.

Carla, anything we left out that is on your mind?

I don't think so.

I mean, I have some things that occur to me, like how do we individually and collectively really enforce our visibility in a market that's flooded with apps and flooded with $37 a month? How do we become visible in that and remain visible? And the other interesting question for me, because I always believe that the collective has.

Is empowered.

And individually, it's tough to kind of walk on the walk that path all by yourself, is how do we collect on behalf of the highest expression of this profession that we can figure out as we try to navigate this new terrain? So I'd really call for, you know, collective voices and a way and some way to ensure that we can be seen in the crowd.

Well, that's two different AI for that. Sorry.

Yeah, no.

Yes. It has all the answers.

Be noisy. I think your idea, the visibility is going to be a big deal so.

Because people that already with marketing make outrageous claims and, you know, your answer would be even make even more outrageous claims. And that's not the answer because then you're bordering on not truth and exaggeration and, you know, that kind of thing. Puffery, I guess.

But the way I think about it, and this is just my language, when we, each of us embark on an intentional focus, developmental journey that we're always on, then wherever we are, that's who we are. And the way I think about embodiment, like, nobody's going to survive in this profession unless they are a product of the product. Okay.

They have to be the outcome that they would try to help others be. And it has to be so powerful and so visible that your very presence changes the conversation even before you open your mouth.

There has to be that level of devotion that that's, you know, that's what I think. And the other thing that I just was feeling like mention is I don't know if you guys saw the new agreement between Microsoft and OpenAI.

About two months ago, there was a new agreement. And the two salient things that stuck out for me is there's tons more money now being poured into it, which is going to accelerate that.

When I saw that, I'm thinking maybe I should revise it from a year to nine months. You know what I was saying?

But the other thing is, in that contract, they have now concrete dates for the development of AGI, which is Artificial General Intelligence, which is the beginning of that terrifying prospect of Skynet and everything else. In other words, it's not no longer only reflection. It's actually Generative Intelligence. AGI stands for Artificial General Intelligence.

And, you know, that's the dabbling, the edges of the singularity and all that stuff when it becomes so smart that it. We can't keep track of it.

And it doesn't change anything we've talked about today. But I want to thank both of you for being here, for honoring your heart. I know, Ingeborg, you're staying up late, and you.

You decided to do that for us. And thank you, Ingeborg, for being here and sharing your heart, your wisdom, your love, your kindness, your insights. Thank you.

You're welcome. It was a pleasure to be here, and I think it's a really interesting conversation which should be ongoing.

Carla, thank you for your thoughtful expression, your wisdom, your love, your depth that you shared with us today.

Thank you for having me.

Listeners. Look, this is an ongoing thing, and I say this at the end of every episode, and I mean it every time, and that is, go listen again.

Because if you're like me and like the rest of us, we hear things, and when we hear them again, maybe in a different mood, in a different mindset, or after some things happen, we hear differently.

And if you're a coach or thinking about being a coach, or you're already a coach, man, don't be one of the things head in the sand and joking about the ante like, this is real. This is a noble, powerful calling and profession. And this cleansing, I think, is necessary and beautiful.

I'm looking forward to it, and I'm grateful because it's going to give the opportunity to those who are willing to stay on the mountain of growth, the opportunity to be that. And I guess I'm not worried too much about the disability. There'll be a way, and we have to use AI.

Like Ingborg said, we got to figure out how to do it. But there is a way.

So I want you to listen again, take it seriously, and then Use these ideas and your own thinking and chatgpt to figure out how to move forward and create your ultimate life. Never hold back and you'll never ask why.

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