Wild Things (1998) is an erotic thriller starring Neve Campbell, Denise Richards, Matt Dillon, Kevin Bacon, and Bill Murray. It's a movie that's remembered for a single scene, but we suspect it might be a better movie than any of us can remember. Is it?

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Wild Things

[00:00:09] Frank Roll: Blockbuster, Hollywood and the independent video

[00:00:18] Scott Moran: Receive streaming services and ask the question, what the fuck is that? Does this hold up? And just, what the hell is a good movie? Anyway, I'm Frank Roll. I'm Scott Moran and we are the last

[00:00:30] Scott Moran: What

[00:00:42] Scott Moran: For a second. I was like, are you going camping in Florida? Goodness, no.

[00:00:47] Scott Moran: Never, never, never. I've been to Florida more than I was willing to go. I didn't get murdered. That's always good when you go to Florida and you don't get murdered. Yeah, I mean, I've

[00:00:57] Scott Moran: Louisiana, it's not my thing. I definitely felt more unsafe in Louisiana.

[00:01:10] Scott Moran: Gotta be a lot of murders in that case, a lot of murders. Like way more than you

[00:01:16] Scott Moran: comb the swamp until like the fucking nineties.

[00:01:30] Frank Roll: Thanks to those Netflix documentaries.

[00:01:37] Scott Moran: Exactly. That's how he went down was like, how. Second cousin got a blood test or something and they were like, ding, ding, ding. Yeah. And then Pat and Oswald's wife came for him. You had

[00:01:50] Scott Moran: part. There's a ducky series on H B O. It covers pretty much what's in her book and up to her death.

[00:02:11] Frank Roll: The sad times.

[00:02:19] Frank Roll: I'm not sure why I did it.

[00:02:23] Frank Roll: I wa I watched the Hunger Games movies.

[00:02:32] Frank Roll: there and it was that I want to go to bed. But I don't want to go to sleep right away.

[00:02:42] Scott Moran: Mm-hmm. The last one is two. I read those books. I don't think the last one needed to be two. I think that was my only gripe.

[00:02:54] Scott Moran: Well, that's like a prequel

[00:02:59] Frank Roll: I felt like checking out the new one, I'd be up to date, but it made me think of one of those movies like Meet the Spartans or like, you know,

[00:03:10] Frank Roll: There's been several, but there was one where they called her Cat Piss Everywhere. It's called the

[00:03:15] Scott Moran: Yeah.

[00:03:21] Scott Moran: See, I think it was one of the other ones that same dude wrote all that shit. All those movies are one ass dude. That's all he does. He made a whole career out of that. You gotta be in the

[00:03:32] Frank Roll: But man, sometimes they just hit the spot. You're like, I just needed that. Speaking

[00:03:46] Frank Roll: it. Okay. Well, I think we've, did you ever watch Salmon and Salmon? Yeah,

[00:03:49] Frank Roll: salmon.

[00:03:55] Scott Moran: I saw where they were coming from with that. Mm-hmm. And then they got really good at like developing these characters very

[00:04:06] Scott Moran: I thinks it's Super Troopers, beer Fest and Club Dread. They really like nailed developing the weird characters in the movie. Mm-hmm. They're good at that, but they don't always do it. And this was a weird one because they always play a few other people in the movie. Other than their main character. Yeah.

[00:04:37] Scott Moran: Yes. Okay. Still not as good as the first one. Oh yeah. First one all the way, but it was just more of the same. It was fine to see. Yeah. I'm good with that. I really like their show, the Tacoma fd fd. I've seen a couple episode. I mean, it's not all of their show. They're all on it at some point or another.

[00:05:02] Frank Roll: You boys

[00:05:07] Frank Roll: With the frogs dude in Beer Fest.

[00:05:19] Frank Roll: It's so awesome.

[00:05:24] Scott Moran: there. Those guys can crack me up.

[00:05:33] Scott Moran: bet all of 'em were really nice.

[00:05:53] Scott Moran: Oh uh, Netflix, Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, I would say watch it if you like David Lynch movies, but this one makes more sense. And uh, but it felt like that, like it felt like you were watching a person go nuts and you were stuck inside their head because it's more about her disassociating thinking. Marilyn and Norma are two different people.

[00:06:22] Frank Roll: I was like,

[00:06:41] Scott Moran: That made me very uncomfortable. Mm. And it was, it was good. I thought it was good. So I don't know if I can say I liked it. Have you ever

[00:06:57] Scott Moran: have you seen a little bit Mostly conspiracy theory, shit.

[00:07:02] Scott Moran: new to you?

[00:07:23] Scott Moran: I get it. But I did enjoy it and I liked, uh, it was a very unapologetic fucking movie. And it was pretty brutal. And it moved at like its own pace. It was really long, really fucking long. This movie would take you like three weeks to watch, three and a

[00:07:45] Frank Roll: I mean, I also had time to watch the Meg again and don't ask me.

[00:07:50] Frank Roll: Meg, if I see it. I'm just tempted to hit play is what it is. Something

[00:07:58] Frank Roll: yeah. It's so, I, you know, it's, you never know what I'm gonna catch.

[00:08:09] Scott Moran: there. It is. Anything new this week? Nothing new. Nothing new. I'm making comfort stuff

[00:08:20] Scott Moran: If you really tried, you could take it down in a couple weeks. One day I'll

[00:08:28] Scott Moran: at this rate, yes. I need to pick up the pace. I'm caught up on that. I'm interested in seeing what's about to fucking happen.

[00:08:39] Scott Moran: can't, nothing, nothing has saw nothing unfollow nerded. Mm-hmm. Because I was like, you guys have become just the worst about spoiling shit in an Instagram post. Oh. Like if you spoil stuff that fast, like just at a glance it's done. Get the fuck off the internet. Yeah.

[00:09:04] Scott Moran: He was on shit mates. But I think that I was in an erotic thriller mood. Obviously, it came outta nowhere. Well, I had watched Blonde leading up to it, so I think my brain was programming itself down too, and it didn't

[00:09:23] Scott Moran: first.

[00:09:28] Frank Roll: nineties. The nineties gut punches you right from the get go. In this one, I mean, this

[00:09:35] Frank Roll: movie. Yeah.

[00:09:39] Frank Roll: but it was like the pinnacle man, top of the mountain shining

[00:09:43] Scott Moran: Especially if you were a boy. Cuz this is a, this is a male gays fucking movie. Hardcore, head to toe, hardcore. But I see it differently as an adult. If you watch wild things in its time, I think it's kind of harder to see it for what it is or be able to appreciate

[00:10:03] Frank Roll: I

[00:10:06] Frank Roll: And you know, we, we had said how many people have actually seen the whole movie? How many people have seen the whole movie?

[00:10:22] Scott Moran: Clips of like the M T V Best Kiss awards that year. Remember when they used to do that? The video music awards or the scene

[00:10:36] Scott Moran: bathing suit. From a marketing perspective, how do you even tell someone about this movie?

[00:10:42] Frank Roll: getting outta the pool. I was like, oh, that, that's what used to be on tv. Like band, the little teaser. That's what you remember. Well, there was that one. Then the longer ones, then all the. All the

[00:10:56] Frank Roll: sure.

[00:10:59] Scott Moran: I don't know if I have it on DVD d I had it on VHS at one time though. Oh, you had a vhs? Well, it was 98. Yes. Way to go, man was That was early days of DVDs. That all went very fast. I feel like we had DVDs for a long, long time. I was so proud of those racks. Yeah, but it really wasn't that long.

[00:11:21] Frank Roll: when you helped me move out. Did you see when I was throwing away the boxes of DVD cases? Yes,

[00:11:27] Frank Roll: I wanted to do a project with him, but I was like, look man, you're moving. Are you really gonna do that project with those?

[00:11:34] Scott Moran: in 2002, I wanna say. Mm-hmm. First apartment. Me and my roommate cut all of our CD booklets into Tiny Squares, the individual page of the CD booklet, and we glued them all over a whole wall, like perfectly straight. And uh, so it was like album covers covering a whole wall and it looked really cool.

[00:12:05] Frank Roll: whenever I get the weird feeling, like whenever I get that, I'm like, you could never do that. And I'm like, but if you wanted to do a little like.

[00:12:12] Scott Moran: That's how that starts, dude. That's how you become this fucking red foreman in the garage.

[00:12:25] Scott Moran: Uh, but I was surprised at what I remembered and what I didn't remember about this, even though it hasn't been quite. As long as it's been for you. I did so good. It was something

[00:12:36] Scott Moran: at the end. I just that you remembered most of it.

[00:12:41] Scott Moran: huh? Mm-hmm.

[00:12:44] Frank Roll: okay, so I guess, and then I also forgot the very last part on top of that. Once I saw it I was like, oh yeah, we had talked about it before, but it surprised me cuz there were just other things and I guess I was just happy to have

[00:13:03] Scott Moran: I hadn't watched it in so long that I think when I re-watched it, it's probably five years ago now. This movie's aging

[00:13:13] Scott Moran: 25 years this year. Wild

[00:13:30] Frank Roll: Sam is just one educator of the year, and while he is clearly the town's resident, ladies man, and has a history with Kelly's mother, Sandra, even some of the police cast out on Kelly's claim. But when a poor girl living with her grandmother and Gator wrestling uncle deep in the everglade, Susie Toller also comes forward with a similar accusation.

[00:14:02] Frank Roll: Sam and Duquette is right sort of. And it's confirmed by a threesome scene where the trio gets sexy with a bottle of champagne followed by a girl on girl make out scene in Kelly's pool. That is literally the only thing most people remember about this movie, except of course, Kevin Bacon's bacon. It's a flash, and I did forget about that as well, but man, it was just like, woo.

[00:14:29] Frank Roll: wasn't his foot,

[00:14:34] Frank Roll: Uh, as these things usually go, all parties involved start bumping each other off until only one remains. But the mastermind behind it all isn't Sam Lombardo. And the revenge plot behind it all started way back in the swamp, over a little weed and a missed call.

[00:14:56] Frank Roll: executive producer, correct?

[00:15:06] Scott Moran: Matt Dillon plays Sam Lombardo. Nev Campbell plays Susie Toller. Denise Richards plays Kelly Van Ryan Daphne Ruben Vega as Detective Gloria Perez and Bill Murray as Kenneth Bowen. The movie was released in 1998, and to provide some context, nev Campbell was still on Party of Five at the time. In the previous two years, she had starred in the Craft Scream and Scream two.

[00:15:44] Frank Roll: Sorry, just talking about it. I can see that title screen

[00:15:52] Frank Roll: Ibanez.

[00:15:53] Scott Moran: yeah. She's excellent at math. Robert Jenny Jr. Was originally cast as Sam Lombardo, but at the time his insane drug problems were seen as a, an insurance risk, even though he was in rehab at the time. I, I feel like

[00:16:10] Scott Moran: maybe didn't get that.

[00:16:15] Frank Roll: had to been, Ooh, that's.

[00:16:24] Frank Roll: kiss, bang, bang.

[00:16:26] Scott Moran: Like that's where he goes up and Val Kilmer goes down. So sad. In addition to showing his penis and acting, Kevin Bacon also produced the movie. He described the script as the trashiest thing he'd ever read, but said that he was drawn in by the fact that every couple pages, he was totally surprised by what happened.

[00:17:10] Scott Moran: It's fucking incredible. It really

[00:17:23] Scott Moran: that's good. And it wasn't as explicit as I remembered it being, and I've seen the Unrated version of this movie and there's only more story in it.

[00:17:42] Frank Roll: Well, and don't forget the scene with her mom,

[00:17:50] Frank Roll: With the heels, well did, she's got a door that goes out to the driveway like a terrace overlooking the driveway from her master bedroom. Right.

[00:18:09] Scott Moran: So anyone coming in to audition for this knew what he wanted. And uh, it's a, that's a weird thing cuz this wasn't like, as these two people's career was taking a nose dive, they they did nudity cuz that's what you did in the nineties.

[00:18:31] Frank Roll: Like maybe they felt like, oh, for that bump, you know, the bump in the pay or whatever. Cuz they would make more.

[00:18:50] Scott Moran: You know what I mean? There's too much sand on her. You ever look at a Playboy when you were a kid and you were like, she's got sand all over her. Is that supposed to be hot? I'd like to get a burn.

[00:19:09] Scott Moran: shake out your towels.

[00:19:15] Scott Moran: movie, but I don't remember liking this movie as much when I first saw it. I was excited about boobs and I don't know that I'd really seen a threesome in a movie. And, and you only kind of do sex scenes that were not, sex scenes are real overblown back in 1998, but I guess this movie was a little more mainstream.

[00:19:46] Scott Moran: I mean that's what I was excited about the first time I saw it. 16 or 18 Blockbuster.

[00:19:52] Frank Roll: movies on. Yeah. Cuz when I moved outta town, you know, after getting in trouble to another, you know, smaller town, it was a big deal out there. I had to make sure because it, it like came off the account once and I was like, My house is like 40 minutes from here. Like I just wanted to see.

[00:20:13] Scott Moran: Have you ever seen the unrated version? No. There were little snippets of story that were missing in the rated R version. And I was like, wait, I thought this happened. When I was reading about it, I was like, oh, it's in the unrated version.

[00:20:32] Frank Roll: I mean I have it on d v because it was like early two thousands and it was, you know, when Walmart had those, the bins of like the different low price DVDs probably still do. To some degree.

[00:20:46] Scott Moran: Yeah.

[00:21:02] Frank Roll: Going to that bin at Walmart late at night

[00:21:23] Scott Moran: That was in the beginning. What do you think this movie would've been like if Robert Tiny Jr was in it instead? Would it have been the same movie? No. I mean, think about that time Robert Tiny Jr too. Like it might have been fine with the one we have now, but that guy was not the same. No. Tony Stark.

[00:21:43] Frank Roll: smug. Super peppy. Yeah, man. Uh, yeah, not the same. And I'm trying to think, cuz what was this, ah, this was years after chaplain. That was what? That was early nineties. I'm

[00:22:02] Frank Roll: It was because that was also, that's what I have on VHS in a blockbuster case, is Wonderboys somewhere. I have that on VH s in a blockbuster case. That's awesome. Yeah, it's, I need to find it. I know I have it like close by. I feel it. I feel it's

[00:22:20] Scott Moran: So

[00:22:32] Scott Moran: to be him? I mean, maybe at the time, maybe this was a handsome man. Then there's something

[00:22:40] Scott Moran: Dylan. I, he's got a little bit of an underbite kind of, uh, I don't, doesn't show teeth a whole lot.

[00:23:05] Scott Moran: I think I'd seen the outsiders by then, but I didn't, I wasn't aware that like, oh, that's that guy. I just was like, that's another guy who looks like a Stephen King, bad guy. Sometimes they come back.

[00:23:26] Scott Moran: Anyway, that was a TV movie too. It was a maid for television movie. It was so cool.

[00:23:40] Scott Moran: report. That one, I would say that that's kind of the same kind of movie as this.

[00:23:45] Frank Roll: there with like, I, that's where I love Matt. I don't know. He did good. He did good there. You know,

[00:23:57] Frank Roll: yeah, a little. But it, it's got that like scream, you know. Scream was right there too.

[00:24:09] Scott Moran: means noir, but it was like Florida noir. Yeah, and

[00:24:16] Scott Moran: when I first saw it, it said, scored by George Clinton. Clinton. And I was like, fucking pfa. And I, I was like, this is some white guy, like looked him up and I was like, this is not George Clinton.

[00:24:32] Scott Moran: year did that come out? I wanna say 94. Okay. It could be. So that was,

[00:24:36] Scott Moran: say 94. It's weird to think about that. And then the way this movie looks, because this movie looks like it came out in 1998, undeniably. That is a movie from 1998.

[00:24:52] Scott Moran: We had some Oh, I knew all the music. All

[00:25:02] Scott Moran: their songs. Yeah. Not even wa The Incredulity that washed over you.

[00:25:08] Frank Roll: know the things that disappoint me. The selection of Smash Mouth song in Wild Ding.

[00:25:17] Frank Roll: you know. Who the fuck did house calls for school car washes? Was that a thing ever?

[00:25:29] Frank Roll: but they also make it like he, you know, it's, it's weird to talk about it knowing what was really going on, but he's like, no.

[00:25:41] Scott Moran: No problem. At first you're like, solid move there. Yeah. Like you're, you're boxed in. But honestly, it'd just be like, I'm not allowed to do that. And you fucking walk away cuz you're a teacher.

[00:25:51] Frank Roll: where are we at Blue Bay?

[00:26:15] Frank Roll: Oh, it's on

[00:26:25] Frank Roll: Well, you know you're out. Is that something I, I guess people just go take out aggression or just cruise to free their mind

[00:26:30] Scott Moran: I was wondering that too. I was like, it seems like a, a weird thing to take out for a joy ride. Like it's not by himself. It felt like a utilitarian thing and he's out there feeding the gators by himself. Did you

[00:26:47] Frank Roll: I think it might have. Yeah. I saw that and it was like, it was that last flash before we got to like the boat ride, you know, cruise away scene before we went back into the story and I was like, I bet they caught that and they liked it.

[00:27:07] Scott Moran: Well, what's, what? Good Is it even living here now? Robert

[00:27:14] Frank Roll: but what's his name? Uh, Paxton, or he's the lawyer. Yeah.

[00:27:23] Frank Roll: cuz he was the family attorney.

[00:27:38] Scott Moran: No weird connection I think. Whoa.

[00:27:45] Scott Moran: he was. And that's got Bill Murray. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. And the guy who directed this movie directed Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer. What? Yeah, that was his big

[00:28:02] Frank Roll: This was like a nineties quirky.

[00:28:21] Scott Moran: But now I'm like, oh, they were making a certain kind of movie. And I think that the anchor point of that is Bill Murray, because I think Bill Murray was the glue that made this movie really like it set it off. It was the hot sauce,

[00:28:35] Scott Moran: lawyer. He's having a good time in every scene, just being Bill Murray.

[00:28:40] Frank Roll: I like to see him as not that main role, like to do that. Good. You know, the sleazy lawyer. Perfect. And like you're saying with the carefree kind of attitude, just having fun

[00:29:00] Scott Moran: He was fucking venkman celebrating. Like that's what it felt like. Or like, uh, the opening scene of in the Army now where he is driving the taxi. Yeah. I just wish I hadn't dri all that cough syrup.

[00:29:18] Scott Moran: yeah, it was stripes.

[00:29:21] Frank Roll: knew what you meant. Stripes. Ivan

[00:29:30] Scott Moran: No. Um, the Ghost dog.

[00:29:35] Scott Moran: think it was supposed to.

[00:29:41] Scott Moran: I mean, yeah, cuz they have like those quasi teen soap operas now that kind of feel like this. There's one on Netflix. I, it's like treasure hunting or something.

[00:29:57] Frank Roll: about treasure hunting shows on Netflix?

[00:30:07] Frank Roll: What's the n? The shore, not the shore. Uh, fuck. We did it.

[00:30:29] Frank Roll: Fuck

[00:30:38] Frank Roll: like at the courthouse or the fucking, the police station, the precinct or whatever, you know, and just that like, yeah. Fuck you. Don't you bring me in again, da da da.

[00:30:47] Scott Moran: guys. Yeah. And he is like, why don't you say that to my face?

[00:30:52] Scott Moran: you know? He says, well fuck you, fuck off. It's awesome. But yeah, in the middle of the soap opera, I noticed that. I was like, that felt like a real moment between two guys. Yeah.

[00:31:13] Frank Roll: know what I mean? And then everybody's so clever and you start to see what's going on. But then it's like, okay, you see that the three of them are in it together and it kind of starts, it starts crumbling from the beginning, like pretty

[00:31:26] Scott Moran: Any of them, you know, they're all gonna bump each other off once the money comes through. The money came through really early, I'd say like the trial was like the midpoint of the story. And then after that you get the not as good as I remembered sex scene. It was a lot

[00:31:49] Frank Roll: I thought the three-way one was also at the pool at Kelly's, or the pool at Lombardo's.

[00:31:57] Frank Roll: did not remember that that scene was in the hotel room.

[00:32:12] Scott Moran: They really were, and I didn't remember that either. All of the stuff that happens in the beginning up to the trial mm-hmm. Is like the first half of the movie. An hour and 40 minutes. Good time. Well, yeah. And.

[00:32:26] Scott Moran: scene. Yeah. That's where like the, the like super male gaze comes

[00:32:31] Frank Roll: Dude, he's just out there with the video camera and the trees, you know?

[00:32:42] Frank Roll: high school women. Did we even, I mean, I'm assuming that they were 18 se 18 year old seniors in high school.

[00:32:49] Scott Moran: are we, that's something where I'm like, could this movie be made today? Which I think it could.

[00:32:58] Scott Moran: now? That's what I was kind

[00:33:02] Scott Moran: high school. Yeah, it's just the, we have 24 year old NE Campbell at the time and 27 year old Denise Richards.

[00:33:15] Frank Roll: So I thought that she was in more than I had seen.

[00:33:23] Frank Roll: I thought she was, I thought she was one of those unhinged, you know, just super crazies from like a horror movie or an action

[00:33:30] Scott Moran: Detective Perez as well. I was like, oh yeah, I recognize her. I think Kelly did the same thing, but when I looked her up I was like, okay, you were in Yeah. Rent, which maybe I saw when I was younger. When was the original rent? I don't know. I just know the newer, maybe early nineties. I don't know. You mean the songs or maybe it's West Side Story?

[00:33:52] Frank Roll: Ezra? Look, I'm not a musical guy, but they're not all the same.

[00:34:01] Frank Roll: but they all have snaps.

[00:34:09] Scott Moran: No, eat it. Oh man. I do think there's some plot holes. The ones I really noticed. I'm waiting,

[00:34:19] Scott Moran: Kelly,

[00:34:22] Scott Moran: When Susie is killed. Mm-hmm. Killed. Mm-hmm. With my quotation marks. When he comes back, he's holding an unopened bottle of champagne.

[00:34:38] Frank Roll: Was it the champagne or was it like a whiskey bottle? Was it the champagne? I think it was the champagne, yeah. Cuz she had the whiskey bottle when she first pulled up with

[00:34:48] Scott Moran: Okay, I'll take that. Maybe not so much plot hole. Yeah. But continuity. Continuity errors with how many things they were keeping track of. I can't imagine if they shot this movie at a sequence. They were probably like, am I lying right now or do I know, am I one of the people who know? Or like, as cliche as some of the plot points are.

[00:35:15] Frank Roll: good. Hey, so there was a point where Duquette was, you know, getting onto them. And he visits, uh, Kelly's school during swim practice. Completely normal. Right?

[00:35:35] Scott Moran: conveniently not getting the nipple that you can see. Yeah. Through the wet swimsuit at school. But, so

[00:35:44] Frank Roll: He's not, he's not really intimidating. He's more pushing buttons than it's a psychological thing, right? When he visits Susie, he's got the unbuttoned shirt. The white teon underneath it. He comes in all hard, a little forceful, little aggressive, little physical. What the fuck? Like, why did that have to be like that?

[00:36:10] Scott Moran: I do. I do I see what you're

[00:36:16] Scott Moran: the school and one is a visit to an alligator rusting place where she's

[00:36:21] Frank Roll: Mm-hmm. True story, but I mean already his demeanor's different, his style is different. You know what I mean? What, what was the big

[00:36:30] Frank Roll: her? And especially if they're in on it at the school is obviously to cause a scene and oh, if anybody asks, oh yeah, he was questioning her at school,

[00:36:37] Scott Moran: But she is not, to his knowledge, doesn't know that he's in on it. No, they

[00:36:46] Scott Moran: Yes. You know? Yes. That I think that Susie had pulled all the strings and everybody didn't know anyone else was in on it. Everybody just thought they were, no,

[00:37:00] Frank Roll: But how did Kelly know about, oh, because Kelly was in after

[00:37:12] Frank Roll: knew air quotes.

[00:37:21] Frank Roll: get to here on this one.

[00:37:25] Scott Moran: question. She was pulling all the strings. She started with the,

[00:37:31] Scott Moran: Started with black picture. So he had sex with Kelly before all of this. This is what got him into this whole mess in the process apparently. Yeah.

[00:37:39] Scott Moran: He gave her the ammunition and then so,

[00:37:44] Scott Moran: the direction of Duquette. She, she goes, go make a new friend. Mm-hmm. And then has him go in there. So I don't think that that implied that he was bringing him in on it because of this, the scene where you see Kevin Bacon's bacon at the end of the movie.

[00:38:18] Scott Moran: Yeah. Cuz it was already pretty twisty. Yeah. So they just left the bacon in there also. That was an accident. Kevin Bacon was not supposed to be naked in that movie. Apparently they used that shot and then the editor called him and was like, this is the best one. And he goes, well, how do I look? He's like, good man.

[00:38:43] Frank Roll: No. Um, food news. Uh, oh, product placement. Shout out to Coors. I know there's some other stuff in there, but you know, I like the Coors. Shout out in the hotel room, uh, during the Duquette. Lombardo Rendezvous, Renez

[00:38:57] Scott Moran: How'd he get into that room? I guess it was like a beach room and he could have just wandered in,

[00:39:08] Scott Moran: And why would you go out on a boat with that guy?

[00:39:21] Scott Moran: But I guess these two dudes had been fucking maybe

[00:39:26] Frank Roll: But was Susie like just stashed down in the cabin the whole time? Like

[00:39:41] Frank Roll: So, At first, I thought that I'd swapped the rolls of Susie and Kelly or like their, their place in the story.

[00:40:06] Frank Roll: Of course at that point, I didn't realize it was Susie, but once you see her standing in that final scene, I was like, oh, I remember that. Like damn, as soon as you see her doing it. Cuz the bathing suit choice was a little, I don't know, odd. It was, I'm just gonna say that stuck out. The hair was like, okay, inconspicuous, it doesn't look great.

[00:40:30] Scott Moran: with that hair. Yeah, true. You wanna disappear?

[00:40:37] Scott Moran: 1998, I guess. I don't know.

[00:40:41] Frank Roll: have been a cuter bathing suit and not like, it could have been a more stylish bathing suit. A more in-style bathing suit. Let's put it that way cuz I don't want to like put the wrong thing out there. Just, it could have been a better choice of bathing suit. Sorry, that's just a little thing.

[00:41:03] Scott Moran: just, no. I also think that when you. Pull off this kind of like story knot where everybody's double crossing each other and then at the end you do a reveal and then go back and show me all the steps and the way they spaced it

[00:41:19] Scott Moran: Yeah. Cuz it said the end and then it shows you and you're like, wait, is this a blooper? Can you imagine like everybody's standing up in the theater right then and being like, oh fuck. Because you know, like half of that theater in 1998 was like, seriously? Yeah. More. Well, blooper reel. It did feel like a blooper reel,

[00:41:37] Frank Roll: I mean, it's like, he's like, he's hitting it from behind over the bed while they're doing drugs. And were the pictures black and white? Why were they,

[00:41:50] Frank Roll: 98. Hey, weird little thing. When they were signing the settlement in the lawyer's office, it said 99.

[00:42:08] Frank Roll: We've talked about that before. Yeah. Movies took longer, so,

[00:42:12] Frank Roll: I like that. You know, and those movies were, the registration tags were. You know there's something, yeah. Every now and then you'd see one where they'd bump it up a couple years and you were like, that's cool, because it was just like three, four years ahead of what it should have been.

[00:42:31] Frank Roll: So yeah. When they were signing the settlement, I was like, And it said like, may, I feel like it said May of

[00:42:43] Scott Moran: I didn't remember that.

[00:42:48] Scott Moran: Wasn't that Yeah, it was in the middle of the fan boating. Yeah. Cheesy as that was. I really liked

[00:43:01] Scott Moran: That's a very small detail.

[00:43:20] Frank Roll: Dolphin

[00:43:28] Frank Roll: I did have one other thing. Little, not continuity, but since you wanted to bring it up, I wasn't gonna bring those up. He still had money and he gave them the excuse. Hey, you're gonna see things cuz that's what guys with money do.

[00:43:41] Scott Moran: money? Solid point. I don't know. I

[00:43:56] Scott Moran: I wasn't really sure how he lost his fucking house either,

[00:44:13] Scott Moran: There was still a fast turnaround for losing your fucking house.

[00:44:18] Frank Roll: Oh, here we go. Nineties. Shout out. Portable phones were a big deal. Was that portable phone that Kelly was using at the pool scene, was that on waterproof? Waterproof, yeah. Portable

[00:44:28] Frank Roll: and that design. I was like, That looks like something waterproof from the

[00:44:32] Scott Moran: Looks ridiculous now, but at the time, we would've instantly been like, that's a waterproof phone. That's a waterproof, portable phone. And we probably would've been like, I wish I had one of those. I don't know why I'd want it. They come in handy for, don't have a pool, barely have a bathtub.

[00:44:51] Frank Roll: I feel like it's a good movie. I mean, I

[00:44:59] Frank Roll: pretty cool. It shows that it was deeper than what it's like. I bring up Jennifer's body, how like they fuck with you. Like you should know where this

[00:45:07] Scott Moran: And a little bit, you were like, oh shit, it was Susie, but you don't get the villain speech. Of why I did all this stuff. Mm-hmm. She just fucking kills them. And bad move. I mean, this guy fell for the fucking boat. You drank the poison whiskey. Whoa. You're the last fucking dude.

[00:45:31] Frank Roll: Do anything she puts her mind

to.

[00:45:41] Scott Moran: It's, it's like one 70 is genius. Is it not? Things are different in Florida. Maybe they're geniuses are better. Hey,

[00:46:07] Frank Roll: Like I feel like in other movies he seemed like a smaller guy. Like I feel like he was one of the bad guys in Drop Zone. I don't know. Pretty sure he got me there. If not, it's the one who looks just like him, you know, little, he's like, uh, more of like a soldier type. He was in avp actually, the one that it's, wow.

[00:46:34] Scott Moran: you didn't.

[00:46:38] Scott Moran: not of concern. He

[00:46:48] Frank Roll: Gwyneth Paltrow Truman

[00:47:11] Scott Moran: And so it gave like extra motive to why, hold on. This all started be that guy that was in the movie. It was a cut scene that was in the unrated version, or it was at least on the special features at one point, and I watched it. That's.

[00:47:32] Scott Moran: we already have.

[00:47:50] Frank Roll: You know, there's fucking sea lights in Florida.

[00:48:00] Scott Moran: sea. You know? There are four wild things, movies. Which is just proof that nobody got that. This was kind of a joke, you know, that it wasn't taking itself so seriously because the straight to D V D sequels are terrible.

[00:48:23] Frank Roll: Are they soft porn status? Are they skin max

[00:48:44] Scott Moran: So they never get this situation under control. How many times is this DA gonna fall for this shit? Come on, detectives that DA was very involved in police investigations. Yeah, I thought he was like the captain. Yeah. Get your Aaron and Eckhart ass back up there. Fucking almost Sawyer's dad from lost. He's the guy that Sawyer goes and he finds a Sawyer in Australia.

[00:49:25] Scott Moran: I was like, that's not Sawyer's dad.

[00:49:37] Scott Moran: It's where Bill Murray's early iteration of Saul came from. I mean, let's face it. That was Saul. Yeah. It was almost like Bill Murray invented

[00:49:53] Frank Roll: I like Bill Murray in that capacity. That's like,

[00:50:11] Scott Moran: Nev Campbell, eh, fine. Next time on the podcast we're gonna watch Tone Deaf, which has Kim Elaney, Amanda Crew, and Robert Patrick. This movie looks pretty fun. And have, you've never heard of it before? It's on Showtime right now. I've seen it float from streaming service to streaming service, but the trailer is a, it's a, I remember the trailer now.

[00:50:35] Frank Roll: good one. I do remember it Now. It

[00:50:43] Frank Roll: things are different in Florida.

[00:50:51] Frank Roll: Thanks everyone for joining us. For the last Video Store Clerks podcast, be sure to leave a rating and subscribe.