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Food security, climate adaptation, and vibrant biodiversity all in one place — welcome to the ancient and diverse technologies of Sea Gardening.

These widespread (but often overlooked) monumental rock features are proof positive of thriving Indigenous maricultural systems all around the Pacific Rim, since time immemorial. These spaces are not only simply stunningly beautiful spots to hang out, they're also a powerful symbol of ecocultural restoration; of Indigenous sovereignty, self-determination, and internationalism; of relationship building; and of the kind of future that is possible as we adapt to a changing climate and rising sea levels. We hope you find them as inspiring as we do.

Join us as we visit a sea garden, learn about how they work, and meet a few of the people bringing them back to life.

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Introduction Voiceover:

You are listening to Season Six of

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Future Ecologies.

Adam Huggins:

Hey everyone, welcome back. No cold open this

Adam Huggins:

time, because on today's show sea garden, we're diving right

Adam Huggins:

in to a story about food security, ecosystem restoration

Adam Huggins:

and climate adaptation.

Mendel Skulski:

It's a story going back 1000s of years into

Mendel Skulski:

the past, and fingers crossed, 1000s of years into the future.

Mendel Skulski:

What does all that look like? Well...

Hannah Morris:

You'll just have to wait and see.

Erich Kelch:

Cool. And we'll get up to speed. [Boat accelerates]

Introduction Voiceover:

Broadcasting from the unceded, shared and

Introduction Voiceover:

asserted territories of the Musqueam, Squamish, and

Introduction Voiceover:

Tsleil-Waututh, this is Future Ecologies – exploring the shape

Introduction Voiceover:

of our world through ecology, design, and sound.

Hannah Morris:

Uhh where are we? We're at the beach, and we're at

Hannah Morris:

one of the historic, what is now called a sea garden, previously

Hannah Morris:

known as a clam garden wall. And before it even had a name, I

Hannah Morris:

imagine that we would be at a grocery store. We were at my

Hannah Morris:

ancestors grocery store, our dinner table.

Hannah Morris:

ÍY SȻÁĆEL [SENĆOŦEN greeting] Good day, everyone. My English

Hannah Morris:

name is Hannah, and my W̱ILṈEW̱ SNÁ is W̱EM,LEŚELWET, and I'm

Hannah Morris:

from here in the W̱SÁNEĆ territory in Saanich. [SENĆOŦEN]

Hannah Morris:

I'm grateful to be here with you today.

Mendel Skulski:

I'm grateful to be here with you.

Hannah Morris:

HÍSW̱KE

Mendel Skulski:

This place is so... alive, it's hard to

Mendel Skulski:

believe!

Hannah Morris:

Isn't it?

Mendel Skulski:

Picture this... low tide on a sunny day, a

Mendel Skulski:

gently sloping beach, bright, not with sand, but with coarse

Mendel Skulski:

bits of broken shell. All around you, buried clams are saying

Mendel Skulski:

hello as they squirt jets of water into the air. The red rock

Mendel Skulski:

crabs duck and dart all over the abundant green seaweed. And just

Mendel Skulski:

there, behind you on a boulder, a sea cucumber the size of a

Mendel Skulski:

shoe, waiting patiently for the tide to return.

Hannah Morris:

I feel extremely privileged this is a work day.

Hannah Morris:

This is what I get to do for work, come and check out the

Hannah Morris:

beach

Mendel Skulski:

Including the most prominent feature of this

Mendel Skulski:

beach, a rock wall stretching across the entire width of the

Mendel Skulski:

low tide line.

Hannah Morris:

All rocks have been placed there gently,

Hannah Morris:

specifically and with a good heart and mind when it happened.

Mendel Skulski:

How long have those rocks been there?

Hannah Morris:

Allegedly 3500 years to 4000. I don't know. I

Hannah Morris:

put some rocks on there about a year ago. So there's some new

Hannah Morris:

ones, some old ones. Oh, Carl's got a fork!

Mendel Skulski:

What are you doing right now, Carl?

Carl Olsen:

Just digging to see what clams I'll come up with

Carl Olsen:

here. I think right here is mostly butters and stuff.

Mendel Skulski:

Hold on... is that... is that a barnacle?

Carl Olsen:

That's an old, old barnacle. Big one, eh?

Mendel Skulski:

That's a big one!

Carl Olsen:

My English. Name is Carl Olsen. I'm from the W̱SÁNEĆ

Carl Olsen:

community, Tsartlip. I carry my grandfather's Indian name. It's

Carl Olsen:

ZȺWIZUT.

Carl Olsen:

Go to along the rock wall there and start digging. You'll see.

Carl Olsen:

The clams are... they're healthier. And that's what this

Carl Olsen:

wall provides, too, a healthier environment, and you get much

Carl Olsen:

meatier clams, they're bigger, they're healthier.

Mendel Skulski:

Tell me what we're looking at.

Hannah Morris:

What are we looking at? We're looking at

Hannah Morris:

rocks all piled up in wall form. And not only are there rocks in

Hannah Morris:

there, there are different species.

Nicole Smith:

There is so much life in these places. They're

Nicole Smith:

alive.

Mendel Skulski:

I feel like I would be remiss in letting this

Mendel Skulski:

day go by without having you, our resident marine ecologist,

Mendel Skulski:

give me a lightning round of all the species you might find in

Mendel Skulski:

the sea garden.

Erin Slade:

Oh, boy, okay. Well, I mean, there's so many. And if

Erin Slade:

you start getting into tube worms and shore crabs, I'm not

Erin Slade:

going to be able to tell you what species they are. You'll

Erin Slade:

see our superstars, the butter and little neck clams. Those

Erin Slade:

tend to be the most targeted, harvestable native species.

Erin Slade:

You'll see red rock crabs, burrowing under the rocks,

Erin Slade:

moving around under the green seaweed, sea stars, sea

Erin Slade:

cucumbers, limpets,

Nicole Smith:

whelks,

Erin Slade:

many different types of sea snails,

Nicole Smith:

all sorts of barnacles, of course,

Erin Slade:

a lot of hermit crabs,

Nicole Smith:

sometimes little gunnels.

Erin Slade:

Urchins! urchins is another one. We don't see a ton

Erin Slade:

of them, but they do exist on the wall.

Nicole Smith:

Lots of creatures, more than I've just mentioned.

Marco Hatch:

Yeah, thinking about low tide, the water

Marco Hatch:

receding out, and you can see the top of the rock wall. That

Marco Hatch:

rock wall emerges, the waves coming offshore, being broken by

Marco Hatch:

that rock wall. And you have a kind of a smooth, clear water

Marco Hatch:

inside the clam garden as the water is receding. And then the

Marco Hatch:

little clams start spurting out — pshc psch pshc — shooting up

Marco Hatch:

little spurts of water, up and down. And then, as the water

Marco Hatch:

recedes and the rocks fully emerge, you can go down and

Marco Hatch:

crawl around the rocks and see red sea cucumber, red rock crab,

Marco Hatch:

chitins, large snails and limpets.

Erin Slade:

And something that we don't see very often, but we

Erin Slade:

know exists — that people actually sometimes create traps

Erin Slade:

for — is Giant Pacific Octopus.

Erich Kelch:

What else can be there? Chitins, mussels, yeah,

Erich Kelch:

the whole works... feast.

Mendel Skulski:

A feast on the beach.

Erich Kelch:

Feast on the beach, yeah yeah yeah.

Marco Hatch:

You have this really complex ecosystem that

Marco Hatch:

emerges all within this rock wall system and seaweeds and all

Marco Hatch:

these other traditional foods, and all of this three

Marco Hatch:

dimensional structure, these rocks that are piled up with

Marco Hatch:

little hidey holes in them for other traditional foods to live

Marco Hatch:

in. And so it's this really unique system where, you know,

Marco Hatch:

as an intertidal ecologist, we'll go to soft sediment —

Marco Hatch:

sand, gravel, mud beaches — and look for clams and do our

Marco Hatch:

research there, or we'll go to rocky intertidal, and that's

Marco Hatch:

where we study things like limpets and snails and things

Marco Hatch:

like that. But here you've got both of those things together.

Mendel Skulski:

So before I forget, could you introduce

Mendel Skulski:

yourself?

Erin Slade:

Sure, yeah. I'm Erin Slade, and I'm a marine

Erin Slade:

ecologist working with the Sea Garden Restoration Project at

Erin Slade:

Parks Canada. We've been working on this project and with these

Erin Slade:

wonderful communities and sea gardens for just over four

Erin Slade:

years.

Nicole Smith:

Hello. My name is Nicole Smith, and I am an

Nicole Smith:

archeologist, fortunate to work along the coast for over 20

Nicole Smith:

years.

Marco Hatch:

[Xws7ámeshqen greeting] tse ne-sná7 Marko

Marco Hatch:

Hatch. My name is Marco Hatch. I'm a member of the Samish

Marco Hatch:

Indian Nation and Associate Professor of Environmental

Marco Hatch:

Science at Western Washington University in Bellingham,

Marco Hatch:

Washington.

Erich Kelch:

My name is Eric Kelch, born in lək̓ʷəŋən

Erich Kelch:

territory, here on the West Coast, and work now for Parks

Erich Kelch:

Canada on the Sea Gardens Project.

Mendel Skulski:

So just make sure we have it covered, what is

Mendel Skulski:

a clam garden? How does it work?

Marco Hatch:

Clam gardens are magical intertidal spaces where

Marco Hatch:

ancestors moved large rocks to the low tide line to flatten a

Marco Hatch:

beach. Just like you could terrace a hill to grow more

Marco Hatch:

grapes, you can terrace a beach to grow more clams. And so these

Marco Hatch:

rocks at the low tide line, sediment then fills in between

Marco Hatch:

them. And so it takes a steep beach and it flattens it out.

Marco Hatch:

What that does is it increases the space in what we call the

Marco Hatch:

Goldilocks zone. So butter clams and other clams live in a really

Marco Hatch:

narrow zone of the intertidal. If they live too high, they dry

Marco Hatch:

out and die. If they live too low, they get eaten by sea

Marco Hatch:

stars. So there's a really narrow window they like to live

Marco Hatch:

in, and these terraces are built in exactly that tidal level.

Marco Hatch:

You've got a rocky ecosystem that was built intentionally by

Marco Hatch:

people moving rocks, and then all that sediment that fills in

Marco Hatch:

that winds up being prime habitat and conditions for clams

Marco Hatch:

to grow. Through the Clam Garden Network, we've been able to

Marco Hatch:

measure and quantify things like two to four times the biomass of

Marco Hatch:

clams in a clam garden compared to a non clam garden area, and

Marco Hatch:

growth rates about 50% or greater.

Erin Slade:

So sometimes they're actually built up in spaces that

Erin Slade:

didn't previously have a sandy beach, and by creating a barrier

Erin Slade:

between two rocky outcrops, you create the space for sand to

Erin Slade:

start to fill in and creating basically a new beach where

Erin Slade:

there didn't used to be. So they can be kind of on steep

Erin Slade:

bouldering slopes. They can be between rocky outcrops on

Erin Slade:

beaches that already exist, such as the one that we're at today

Erin Slade:

on Russell Island, or something like the Fulford harbor sea

Erin Slade:

garden is a big, long wall along a large, already kind of sandy

Erin Slade:

gravel beach.

Mendel Skulski:

And then beyond the rocks, what are we seeing?

Hannah Morris:

I see the bull kelp.

Mendel Skulski:

So this is a proper little kelp forest as

Mendel Skulski:

well.

Hannah Morris:

You bet

Mendel Skulski:

Wow.

Marco Hatch:

Clam gardens are only exposed a few days of the

Marco Hatch:

year at low tide. In the US, a lot of Clam Gardens will be

Marco Hatch:

expected to be around a negative two foot tide. In Canada, you're

Marco Hatch:

generally a meter or less.

Erin Slade:

One of the major challenges with... Well, I don't

Erin Slade:

know if it's necessarily a challenge, it's really just a

Erin Slade:

nature of this type of work. And part of what makes it beautiful

Erin Slade:

and special, but also limiting and fleeting is that we can only

Erin Slade:

really access these places for a few days every month, in the

Erin Slade:

summer and then in the middle of the night when the tides are low

Erin Slade:

enough in the winter,

Marco Hatch:

with our most extreme tides during the winter

Marco Hatch:

and summer solstice. But those extreme tides in the winter

Marco Hatch:

happen at night. But yeah, being an intertidal ecologist, when

Marco Hatch:

you open your calendar for the year, you put in low tides, and

Marco Hatch:

then you plan everything around that. These areas can be

Marco Hatch:

extraordinarily vibrant, can have high densities of clams,

Marco Hatch:

and also defy what we think is possible — having these clams at

Marco Hatch:

a higher tide line, if you could move the height of those clams

Marco Hatch:

up by 20 centimeters. Now they're probably exposed more

Marco Hatch:

hours of the day, and then more days a year, right? So if you're

Marco Hatch:

thinking about that as your grocery store, we've just, you

Marco Hatch:

know, opened it more days with longer hours, which is huge in

Marco Hatch:

the winter time, and other times when it might be marginal to go

Marco Hatch:

out and harvest.

Mendel Skulski:

Why did the name change from clam garden to sea

Mendel Skulski:

garden?

Hannah Morris:

Because there aren't just clams that live

Hannah Morris:

here.

Erin Slade:

One of the reasons that we call these spaces Sea

Erin Slade:

Gardens is at the guidance of the nations. These rock walls

Erin Slade:

are multi faceted and multi functional, and they don't just

Erin Slade:

support clams. They support many other species.

Mendel Skulski:

Is there just one type of sea garden?

Nicole Smith:

No, there are many, many different kinds of

Nicole Smith:

sea gardens, and there are around the world.

Hannah Morris:

It's global too. It's not just here on the West

Hannah Morris:

Coast, not just on Vancouver Island. It's everywhere.

Nicole Smith:

There are going to be variations on the sea garden

Nicole Smith:

technologies that may target particular species, or may be

Nicole Smith:

beneficial to many.

Adam Huggins:

On the bays and fjords of Patagonia, Corrales De

Adam Huggins:

Pesca have been maintained by Indigenous Chilean and mestizo

Adam Huggins:

people to harvest and store the abundance of the sea, including

Adam Huggins:

fish, eggs, shellfish and seaweed

Mendel Skulski:

Along the humid coastlines of the Taiwanese

Mendel Skulski:

Penghu archipelago, monumental stone fish weirs known as Shi Hu

Mendel Skulski:

sprawl like enormous petrified jellyfish made of basalt

Mendel Skulski:

limestone and coral.

Adam Huggins:

For over 6000 years, the Gunditjmara people

Adam Huggins:

have used volcanic stones to create pools and channels to

Adam Huggins:

capture kuyang or short-finned eels as they migrate to sea and

Adam Huggins:

back through the complex wetlands of southeastern

Adam Huggins:

Australia.

Mendel Skulski:

And here, up and down the west coast of North

Mendel Skulski:

America, there are fish traps, octopus houses And, of course,

Mendel Skulski:

clam gardens. All around the Pacific Ocean, many forms of

Mendel Skulski:

indigenous mariculture have been practiced since time immemorial.

Erich Kelch:

I think fundamentally, it's modifying a

Erich Kelch:

beach in a way that provides more food than would have been

Erich Kelch:

there on its own. So this idea that if you take an active part

Erich Kelch:

in restoring or attending a beach, then you could provide

Erich Kelch:

lots of food.Depending on culture, depending on like what

Erich Kelch:

the beach offered you, what is naturally there, you know, I

Erich Kelch:

think people were smart and they they really are emblematic of

Erich Kelch:

deep listening and deep paying attention and deep connection to

Erich Kelch:

a place. Dependent on what that site was, was what you would

Erich Kelch:

kind of modify it to be, and different beaches are going to

Erich Kelch:

need different things.

Nicole Norris:

It's so much more than just a collection of rocks

Nicole Norris:

that creates biomass or biodiversity. It's so much more

Nicole Norris:

than that. It's a revival of a portion of our language, a

Nicole Norris:

revival of the kinship ties between our nations, because

Nicole Norris:

long ago, we were nomadic. You know, we have all these

Nicole Norris:

overlapping shared spaces, and the Gulf Islands is definitely

Nicole Norris:

one of them. [Xeláltxw greeting] My English name is Nicole

Nicole Norris:

Norris, and my traditional name is Ala̱g̱a̱mił. I am a very

Nicole Norris:

treasured member from the Halalt First Nation coming from the

Nicole Norris:

Hul'q'umi'num homelands here on Vancouver Island. I'm a

Nicole Norris:

descendant of Stutson, and there's grand stories of Stutson

Nicole Norris:

being in these places. Stutson, in our greater creation story,

Nicole Norris:

is one of the first four that fell from the sky. It was him

Nicole Norris:

and his three brothers.

Mendel Skulski:

Long since Stutson fell from the sky,

Mendel Skulski:

Nicole recalled the very first time that she visited a sea

Mendel Skulski:

garden wall, walking under a moonlit low tide with her friend

Mendel Skulski:

and colleague.

Nicole Norris:

And we got to a certain part in the wall, and I

Nicole Norris:

pulled off my my boots and my socks, and I began to nestle my

Nicole Norris:

feet into the sand, into the ground. And I turned and I

Nicole Norris:

looked at him. It was such a profound moment for myself. I

Nicole Norris:

turned and I looked at him, and I said, I'm standing in

Nicole Norris:

Stutson's footprints. And I leaned over, and I grabbed a

Nicole Norris:

rock off the wall, and I put my hand on top of it, and I said,

Nicole Norris:

I'm holding a rock that Stutson held. I'm holding his hand.

Marco Hatch:

Seeing these massive, monumental rock

Marco Hatch:

features that ancestors had built and tended for 1000s of

Marco Hatch:

years changed my view and understanding of intertidal

Marco Hatch:

ecology. When I was a undergrad, our fisheries professor would

Marco Hatch:

say that there's no way that Indigenous people in the

Marco Hatch:

Northwest impacted salmon populations. There wasn't enough

Marco Hatch:

people, and there's so many salmon, there's no way that

Marco Hatch:

people could have impacted that. And that was just what people

Marco Hatch:

accepted, you know, 20+ years ago. And then you start to learn

Marco Hatch:

about things like stone fish traps and fish weirs, and the

Marco Hatch:

technologies existing to harvest every salmon that came up a

Marco Hatch:

stream. If you put a weir up, it's blocking the stream, and

Marco Hatch:

people are making a decision about which fish get to pass and

Marco Hatch:

which ones don't. Even in big rivers like the Columbia all of

Marco Hatch:

those fish are going up to spawn in small tributaries, right?

Marco Hatch:

Like the technology existed to harvest every single fish that

Marco Hatch:

came up the river. That didn't happen, right? These

Marco Hatch:

environmental abundances that were seen didn't happen by

Marco Hatch:

accident. People had intention in their management. In the

Marco Hatch:

terrestrial realm, I think that that's been accepted a bit

Marco Hatch:

earlier, particularly around burning, tending of camas

Marco Hatch:

meadows, Garry oak. In the marine environment, it's been a

Marco Hatch:

bit harder. And one thing I think is really beautiful about

Marco Hatch:

revitalizing clam gardens and sea gardens is they're very

Marco Hatch:

visual, tangible features. These are monumental rock features,

Marco Hatch:

sometimes a kilometer long, that people have built and maintained

Marco Hatch:

for 1000s of years in a space that our ancestors have been

Marco Hatch:

removed from and our contributions have been ignored.

Marco Hatch:

It ties back into what is natural? How do these ecosystems

Marco Hatch:

get to where they are? Clam gardens give us that really

Marco Hatch:

visual like, hit you in the face, you can't deny that these

Marco Hatch:

1000s of pounds of rocks for a kilometer long, stacked up, were

Marco Hatch:

done by accident.

Marco Hatch:

Operating both in traditional knowledge or traditional

Marco Hatch:

ecological knowledge or indigenous knowledge, or

Marco Hatch:

whatever term you want to use for traditional knowledge

Marco Hatch:

systems, and mainstream or Western science has historically

Marco Hatch:

had a lot of tension and difficulties. There's a few

Marco Hatch:

models that we practice that can help provide ways forward, and

Marco Hatch:

one metaphor that's often used is the idea of braiding. So,

Marco Hatch:

braiding traditional ecological knowledge and mainstream science

Marco Hatch:

together. And in the braiding metaphor, each strand maintains

Marco Hatch:

its identity and isn't compromised or compared or held

Marco Hatch:

above or below the other strand. But by combining those knowledge

Marco Hatch:

systems, we can create something stronger than the sum of its

Marco Hatch:

parts.

Nicole Norris:

Traditional science and Western science is

Nicole Norris:

the same. It's just different language that translates it.

Nicole Norris:

Indigenous knowledge is based on generational observation. All of

Nicole Norris:

those teachings come from observing the water, observing

Nicole Norris:

the wind, how it interacts with the land, the water, the trees.

Nicole Norris:

But also observing our relatives of the ocean, our relatives of

Nicole Norris:

the woods and our relatives of the sky. They provide us with

Nicole Norris:

teachings of ways of being. And so the clam doesn't feed just

Nicole Norris:

us. It feeds aquatic loved ones. It feeds the woodland animals

Nicole Norris:

that come onto the beach and harvest. It also feeds certain

Nicole Norris:

birds or relatives of the sky. And so that clam feeds the fish,

Nicole Norris:

it feeds the crabs, it feeds the octopus, it feeds the eagles,

Nicole Norris:

the seagulls, the oyster pickers. What we recognize is

Nicole Norris:

that it's all interconnected, and how valuable that one single

Nicole Norris:

clam is.

Mendel Skulski:

So a big question is, how old is this

Mendel Skulski:

technology of sea gardening, and how do we know?

Nicole Smith:

Well, from the archeological work that we've

Nicole Smith:

been doing on the coast, it would seem that these sea

Nicole Smith:

gardens or clam gardens are at least 4000 years or so. Now, of

Nicole Smith:

course, in archeological terms, dates are always a little bit

Nicole Smith:

fuzzy. It's tricky because these rock walls, they're made of

Nicole Smith:

rock. It's inorganic, and radiocarbon dating needs organic

Nicole Smith:

carbon to establish a date. If you can imagine that these

Nicole Smith:

walls, sometimes they build up over time. Sometimes the

Nicole Smith:

foundation of them are built in a moment. People will get the

Nicole Smith:

rock from different places. Sometimes they'll get it from

Nicole Smith:

land and they'll bring it to the beach. Other times, they'll get

Nicole Smith:

the rock from the beach themselves, and when they get it

Nicole Smith:

from the beach, the rocks can be covered with barnacles. Now, the

Nicole Smith:

barnacles tend to like to live on the top, but if you can

Nicole Smith:

imagine, sometimes those first rocks will go into the wall, and

Nicole Smith:

if they get turned upside down, and those barnacles then go on

Nicole Smith:

to the underside of the rock, they can get trapped in the muck

Nicole Smith:

or the mud — and in the right conditions, preserve. So what we

Nicole Smith:

found is that we could look for those barnacle scars on the

Nicole Smith:

bottom of the rock.

Erich Kelch:

And so they can date those scars!

Nicole Smith:

In a regular beach setting, they will only last on

Nicole Smith:

the surface of a rock for one to two years, we learned from the

Nicole Smith:

barnacle biologists. Because beaches are actually really

Nicole Smith:

clean places, and when a barnacle dies, there's all sorts

Nicole Smith:

of organisms that are going to come to scrape that basal plate

Nicole Smith:

off. Things like bulldozing limpets will come along and

Nicole Smith:

clean the surface of the rock so that then it's available for new

Nicole Smith:

barnacle larva to settle. So when we find a preserved

Nicole Smith:

barnacle scar, that's exciting, and we know that we have a very

Nicole Smith:

tight time range.

Adam Huggins:

And besides preserved barnacle scars,

Adam Huggins:

archeologists have other evidence that these clam gardens

Adam Huggins:

go back for millennia.

Erich Kelch:

They noticed that the rock walls change where

Erich Kelch:

their location was based on tidal height. Where the rocks

Erich Kelch:

were placed were at a different place on the beach depending on

Erich Kelch:

where the ocean was.

Marco Hatch:

So there's two competing factors. There's

Marco Hatch:

isostatic rebound and sea level rise.

Nicole Smith:

Parts of the coast where the glaciers were really

Nicole Smith:

thick and really heavy, you know, really depressed, the land

Nicole Smith:

down. Some of us might remember water beds. If you sit in the

Nicole Smith:

middle of a water bed, you go down in the middle and the sides

Nicole Smith:

go up. Well, that was similar here on the coast, like around

Nicole Smith:

Kitimat and extending down. But then other parts of the coast,

Nicole Smith:

like Haida Gwaii, didn't have as much, and they were on those

Nicole Smith:

edges, so they popped up.

Marco Hatch:

Isostatic rebound was explained to me by my marine

Marco Hatch:

geology professor as every Thanksgiving his uncle Eli,

Marco Hatch:

would come over, who was a rather massive fellow, and would

Marco Hatch:

sit and watch football on the couch. And then when he got up,

Marco Hatch:

the couch would slowly come back to level. Isostatic rebound is

Marco Hatch:

effectively that for when we had a mile of ice over this area,

Marco Hatch:

that ice is melted and the land is slowly coming back up.

Nicole Smith:

And so where it was weighted down starts to come

Nicole Smith:

up. Where it was up starts to go down.

Marco Hatch:

Compared with sea level rise, which is the whole

Marco Hatch:

bathtub is getting higher.

Nicole Smith:

What effectively happens is you have these

Nicole Smith:

changes in sea level positions. But it's really different,

Nicole Smith:

depending on where you are in the coast. You know, some places

Nicole Smith:

it's falling, and other places it's rising.

Marco Hatch:

And so we see more ancient clam gardens that are

Marco Hatch:

now well above the clam zone, and newer ones are built at the

Marco Hatch:

current tide height. In other communities, we see walls that

Marco Hatch:

are meters below sea level today. And so these technologies

Marco Hatch:

have been used for 1000s and 1000s of years to adapt to local

Marco Hatch:

sea level change.

Erin Slade:

You know, in the Southern Gulf Islands, sea

Erin Slade:

levels have been rising for over 11,000 years. When we talk about

Erin Slade:

the relevance of this type of work moving forward, you know,

Erin Slade:

these are spaces that have been adapting to sea level rise for

Erin Slade:

1000s of years.

Nicole Smith:

So I think that's important for everyone to know,

Nicole Smith:

and archeologists to know that, depending on where you are, they

Nicole Smith:

might be really subtle. And we don't want to say that "Oh,

Nicole Smith:

there are none in this area." They just might not be in view.

Nicole Smith:

I mean, there are past shorelines that are now way

Nicole Smith:

underwater, and there are past shorelines that are way high

Nicole Smith:

inland and now covered in forest canopy. So far, our survey has

Nicole Smith:

really been limited to the present intertidal zone, so it's

Nicole Smith:

possible there are older features that we haven't seen,

Nicole Smith:

because we haven't been looking in the right places

Adam Huggins:

There may be hidden gardens below the waves

Adam Huggins:

or behind the trees. And so we can't say for sure how old this

Adam Huggins:

technology really is.

Nicole Norris:

No amount of archeology and carbon dating is

Nicole Norris:

going to be able to prove it, unfortunately. They can say

Nicole Norris:

that, yeah, we've been here for a really long time, and they can

Nicole Norris:

investigate some of the shells and the spaces and theorize how

Nicole Norris:

we used to cook.

Mendel Skulski:

Because these rocks have probably been on the

Mendel Skulski:

wall longer than just their latest millennia old barnacle

Mendel Skulski:

scars.

Nicole Smith:

Oh, totally, that's definitely true, and

Nicole Smith:

that's one thing that we think that they're dismantling and

Nicole Smith:

rebuilding as sea level is rising.

Carl Olsen:

We're the salt water people. We traveled by canoe and

Carl Olsen:

we camped here. We had a food base when we're heading down to

Carl Olsen:

visit our relatives in Lummi, and we'd camp in the San Juan

Carl Olsen:

Islands, do the same thing. We never really had to carry food

Carl Olsen:

with us because the food base was feeding us on our way.

Carl Olsen:

That's the way it should be. You know, when you have like, 4

Carl Olsen:

million people in Canada that are food insecure, and we have

Carl Olsen:

beaches that we could maintain and keep healthy. You know,

Carl Olsen:

having this is food security, and we gotta bring it back.

Hannah Morris:

Yes, we live on an island. There's beach

Hannah Morris:

everywhere. Unfortunately, there aren't clam gardens everywhere

Hannah Morris:

the way that there used to be, but there is beach everywhere we

Hannah Morris:

live on Vancouver Island. And with that, I find it easier to

Hannah Morris:

explain to community what's outside of our back door, and

Hannah Morris:

what would be there without colonization.

Erich Kelch:

It's constantly shocking to me that we have this

Erich Kelch:

intertidal resource that's so bountiful, that's so healthy for

Erich Kelch:

us, that's so like, you know, free in a way, with rising food

Erich Kelch:

prices, and we don't take care of it. We don't take care of it

Erich Kelch:

properly. You know, there's closure maps everywhere, and you

Erich Kelch:

can't harvest and why aren't we treating this like a resource

Erich Kelch:

that we could all benefit from? To have, like a food that can be

Erich Kelch:

that can be processed, that can be dried, that can be traded,

Erich Kelch:

that is always going to be productive if you take care of

Erich Kelch:

it. You know, the teaching that if you take care of these

Erich Kelch:

places, they will take care of you, I think, speaks volumes.

Marco Hatch:

We've seen some communities reactivate clam

Marco Hatch:

gardening after experiencing food scarcity and shortages

Marco Hatch:

through COVID 19. And so for a lot of remote communities

Marco Hatch:

external food is barged in, and if that barge doesn't show up

Marco Hatch:

that's a real concern. Those communities have taken conscious

Marco Hatch:

effort to revitalize traditional food systems and clam gardens

Marco Hatch:

being a part of that, of ensuring that there's that

Marco Hatch:

resilience within the community in case external food doesn't

Marco Hatch:

show up. That they have the knowledge, the technologies, the

Marco Hatch:

gatherers, the processors within their community, that they know

Marco Hatch:

where to go and how to get to work.

Mendel Skulski:

Unfortunately, the question of where to go is

Mendel Skulski:

sometimes complicated by a second question...

Adam Huggins:

Are the clams even safe to eat?

Marco Hatch:

I think it's important when you're managing

Marco Hatch:

closures for seafood safety or human health concerns to think

Marco Hatch:

about how are people actually consuming those. Knowing how

Marco Hatch:

things are prepared, what parts are discarded, changes an

Marco Hatch:

individual's exposure level. So butter clams is a large clam

Marco Hatch:

that in this area people dried and traded. And depending on the

Marco Hatch:

community, there are different ways of processing the clam. A

Marco Hatch:

lot of communities will take the black tip off the siphon. So the

Marco Hatch:

siphon is where the clam brings water in and ejects water.

Marco Hatch:

Butter clams have a black tip of that siphon. A lot of

Marco Hatch:

communities cut that off and discard it, citing that that's

Marco Hatch:

where the toxins are stored.

Mendel Skulski:

So-called Red Tide is caused by population

Mendel Skulski:

booms of a naturally occurring microorganism, a dinoflagellate

Mendel Skulski:

called Alexandrium,

Adam Huggins:

which produces saxitoxin, a potentially lethal

Adam Huggins:

neurotoxin.

Marco Hatch:

It's existed forever, but in recent years,

Marco Hatch:

both the frequency, how often we get these red tide blooms, and

Marco Hatch:

the duration and the window of opportunity have all increased,

Marco Hatch:

and so it's happening more often and with stronger red tides now

Marco Hatch:

compared to 500 years ago. But we were curious, looking at a

Marco Hatch:

butter clam, can we measure the amount of toxin in each body

Marco Hatch:

part? And we found that both the siphon tip and the siphon

Marco Hatch:

disproportionately held more saxitoxin. Now, this isn't to

Marco Hatch:

say, you know, if there's a red tide closure, go out there and

Marco Hatch:

chop the neck off a clam, siphon off a clam, and you're safe. But

Marco Hatch:

it does show that those parts of the body have a higher

Marco Hatch:

concentration of Saxitoxin compared to other areas. And so

Marco Hatch:

that's where we're trying to operate, of not testing

Marco Hatch:

traditional ecological knowledge, but trying to see, is

Marco Hatch:

there ways we can quantify it as it relates to how we open and

Marco Hatch:

close clams. And certain communities have actually been

Marco Hatch:

able to do that, where, working with government agencies, when

Marco Hatch:

they go into test butter clams, they'll test the whole clam, and

Marco Hatch:

they'll test the clam without the siphon. And so there'll be

Marco Hatch:

certain times of the year where clams are deemed safe to eat if

Marco Hatch:

you discard the siphon. And that's an example of

Marco Hatch:

incorporating that traditional ecological knowledge into the

Marco Hatch:

way that we measure and manage traditional food as it relates

Marco Hatch:

to seafood safety.

Adam Huggins:

So you might be wondering, when the clams aren't

Adam Huggins:

safe to eat, is it still worthwhile to work in the

Adam Huggins:

garden?

Nicole Norris:

Even though we're not digging clams and having a

Nicole Norris:

clam bake on the beach, there's so much more that comes from it.

Nicole Smith:

These are places that need to be cared for on an

Nicole Smith:

ongoing basis. You need to tend the beaches. You need to care

Nicole Smith:

for the rock wall, and, as shared, these are places that

Nicole Smith:

you care for like you might a family member.

Nicole Norris:

It's not rocket science. This is simply how it's

Nicole Norris:

done — to really humanize our aquatic loved ones. When I talk

Nicole Norris:

about that point of view from a clam, I talk about noise

Nicole Norris:

pollution, I talk about our loved ones in the in the woods,

Nicole Norris:

in the sky, right?

Nicole Smith:

And so it's this wonderful way of seeing people

Nicole Smith:

in relationship with the environment around them as

Nicole Smith:

equals, as opposed to being separate from.

Mendel Skulski:

So you mentioned the nuancing of clam gardens to

Mendel Skulski:

sea gardens to open up this more general space for different

Mendel Skulski:

creatures. I'm curious about the garden part of the name.

Nicole Smith:

I think the really important part of garden is that

Nicole Smith:

it's really speaking to tending and caring for places. One of

Nicole Smith:

the dominant narratives was that First Nations, communities up

Nicole Smith:

and down this coast are hunter gatherer populations. And in the

Nicole Smith:

textbooks, you would see how they would be described as

Nicole Smith:

living in very bountiful environments where the resources

Nicole Smith:

essentially swim to them, instead of understanding the

Nicole Smith:

agency and the care and the engineering that has gone into

Nicole Smith:

shaping these landscapes.

Erich Kelch:

We used to think people mean they're degrading

Erich Kelch:

the environment, and so we need to take people out of the

Erich Kelch:

environment to protect it. That's what we... that's what

Erich Kelch:

the Western kind of world used to think about conservation, and

Erich Kelch:

now we're learning — hopefully, we're learning... at least, I'm

Erich Kelch:

learning — that places need people, and these ecosystems

Erich Kelch:

weren't created by accident, and people were involved in making

Erich Kelch:

them bountiful. And so by people being here and tending a sea

Erich Kelch:

garden in all sorts of ways. It actually increases the

Erich Kelch:

biodiversity of a place. Like, what a concept. And so people

Erich Kelch:

being here is what they need to thrive. And we see places where

Erich Kelch:

it's not thriving, it's kind of dead. There's a lot of empty

Erich Kelch:

shells. There's not many clams because it hasn't been dug up.

Adam Huggins:

When we come back, a lesson in gardening... after

Adam Huggins:

the break.

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Mendel Skulski:

Where we left off, Erich was reminding us that

Mendel Skulski:

these spaces need to be nurtured — for their own sake, and so

Mendel Skulski:

that they can nurture us in return.

Carl Olsen:

What happens when a clam garden bed is not really

Carl Olsen:

maintained, and it hasn't been for years and years, the build

Carl Olsen:

up of the amount of clams in this bed gets so great that they

Carl Olsen:

just start dying off. And that's what you're seeing.

Marco Hatch:

Traditional teachings around if you don't

Marco Hatch:

tend to beach, it dies. If you don't dig a certain way, and you

Marco Hatch:

don't put your sediment down a certain way, you don't harvest a

Marco Hatch:

certain way, it'll harm the beach.

Nicole Norris:

If you're hand tilling the beach, you want to

Nicole Norris:

turn over the substrate so that it aerates, so that water can

Nicole Norris:

filter through, and all of the years of silt can wash away.

Marco Hatch:

In an anoxic or hypoxic, no to low oxygen areas

Marco Hatch:

of the sediment, aerobic respiration doesn't happen —

Marco Hatch:

respiration using oxygen like we do. So you have anaerobic

Marco Hatch:

respiration, which is typically done by sulfate reducing

Marco Hatch:

bacteria, which produce hydrogen sulfide as a byproduct, which is

Marco Hatch:

both toxic to juvenile clams and gives that rotten egg smell. And

Marco Hatch:

so if we don't tend to beach, you get a lot of fine grain

Marco Hatch:

sediment, which tends to be organic, which tends to reduce

Marco Hatch:

oxygen, which sets up those conditions for hydrogen sulfide.

Marco Hatch:

So by tilling it, we're physically turning the sediment

Marco Hatch:

over. Or the way that we dig clams and leave the sediment

Marco Hatch:

out, gives that opportunity for the fine grain sediments to wash

Marco Hatch:

away.

Carl Olsen:

It's like cultivating a garden. You

Carl Olsen:

cultivate it here too. You turn it over so it keeps the ground

Carl Olsen:

loose, and you know, at low tide, the air gets into it.

Carl Olsen:

These rock walls kind of break down just because of the waves

Carl Olsen:

from the boat or the movement of the tide. You got to keep

Carl Olsen:

maintaining them. We clean off the seaweed here. One of the

Carl Olsen:

elders explained that some of the seaweed best to get it taken

Carl Olsen:

off, because it's like having a piece of plastic over.

Hannah Morris:

When we're doing restoration work, that seaweed

Hannah Morris:

gets scraped off and brought up to the bushes back here for a

Hannah Morris:

little bit of fertilization, as well as to help keep the clams

Hannah Morris:

breathing. They, like us, need oxygen to breathe.

Nicole Norris:

We use potato rakes to hand till the

Nicole Norris:

substrate. That process needs to be so mindful, because that's

Nicole Norris:

somebody's home. My Uncle George Harris always talks about

Nicole Norris:

getting your mind right. So when you're there for a helpful

Nicole Norris:

purpose, your intention is to help. We're helping the

Nicole Norris:

ancestors finish their work, because they're not here to do

Nicole Norris:

it anymore, and so you got to be careful. La'lum'uthut is what

Nicole Norris:

they call that — be really careful.

Hannah Morris:

There are some people I've come down seeing

Hannah Morris:

walking along the wall, where it's... you just don't know. You

Hannah Morris:

don't know what you don't know. So sharing the you know, we stay

Hannah Morris:

off the wall. We treat it with respect. We treat the beach how

Hannah Morris:

we would want to be treated.

Nicole Norris:

Culturally, there are certain times in the year

Nicole Norris:

that we're not supposed to walk on the beach, and maybe to share

Nicole Norris:

that information, so that people are more mindful when they go

Nicole Norris:

into these places. At the time when the herring spawn, you

Nicole Norris:

know, when the waters are just a little bit warmer, when the

Nicole Norris:

clams spawn, or the sea urchin and the oysters, when they're

Nicole Norris:

doing their thing. You know, that's the time when you stay

Nicole Norris:

off the beach.

Carl Olsen:

My grandparents always used to say, watch the

Carl Olsen:

birds when you go down, like seagulls or crows, we'll bring

Carl Olsen:

the clam up and drop it on the rocks to break it open and eat

Carl Olsen:

it. If they're doing that, they said, the clams are good to eat.

Carl Olsen:

And they say, watch the birds. If they stop eating the clams,

Carl Olsen:

then you stop eating the clams, they'll tell you, everything is

Carl Olsen:

connected. There's a connection to everything, because

Carl Olsen:

everything has a life, and when you use it to feed yourself, you

Carl Olsen:

give thanks for it to the Creator. If you take care of

Carl Olsen:

everything, it's going to take care of you.

Mendel Skulski:

If you're looking for a mnemonic, just

Mendel Skulski:

remember WATCH.

Erich Kelch:

We All Take Care of the Harvest. Yes, yes. I love

Erich Kelch:

that acronym as well. You know, how are we being there and

Erich Kelch:

taking care of it? And that's, that's what these places need.

Erich Kelch:

You know they need people. Makes them happy.

Mendel Skulski:

Could you tell me a little bit about the

Mendel Skulski:

balance between tending and harvesting and the sort of the

Mendel Skulski:

practice of gardening in these spaces? What does that look like

Mendel Skulski:

for communities through time?

Nicole Smith:

It's not like you build a wall and leave it. That

Nicole Smith:

might be what some of us do in our yards, or in our cities or

Nicole Smith:

towns. These are places that need to be cared for on an

Nicole Smith:

ongoing basis.

Marco Hatch:

And what I really appreciate about it is it's not

Marco Hatch:

looking for a short term solution, meaning we went out

Marco Hatch:

and restored the beach, and next year we expect 10 times more

Marco Hatch:

clams. It's a long term investment. People are doing it,

Marco Hatch:

not because they might see direct benefit, but that their

Marco Hatch:

children and grandchildren will be re-engaged out there, will be

Marco Hatch:

part of the ecosystem, will be on the beach harvesting healthy,

Marco Hatch:

abundant clams. If we think about clam gardens that we've

Marco Hatch:

dated that are 3+ thousand years old, that's 3000 years of

Marco Hatch:

continuous tending with a small pause recently. That's a big

Marco Hatch:

commitment. That's a different commitment than I'm going to go

Marco Hatch:

out and remove invasive plants for a couple weekends a year or

Marco Hatch:

I'm going to go out and plant some native trees. That is a

Marco Hatch:

long term, multi-generational commitment that has to be

Marco Hatch:

weighed and taken seriously. You know, start with one, invest our

Marco Hatch:

time, build those relationships, improve that beach and see what

Marco Hatch:

comes.

Erin Slade:

You know, this work takes a lot of hands and a lot

Erin Slade:

of hours, and so we have a pretty enormous volunteer list

Erin Slade:

at this point. So we have lots of extra hands, but this is work

Erin Slade:

that's led by the Nations, and it's important that people from

Erin Slade:

community are here leading that work. And so it's just a matter

Erin Slade:

of getting enough people, being organized enough in advance, and

Erin Slade:

people having enough space and time spread across the few days

Erin Slade:

that we have to actually do the work, because these low tides

Erin Slade:

are fleeting.

Adam Huggins:

The work that Erin is referring to are beach days,

Adam Huggins:

but not the kind that you or I might have grown up with. These

Adam Huggins:

beach days are all-ages community gardening and teaching

Adam Huggins:

events, organized under the auspices of the Sea Gardens

Adam Huggins:

Project.

Mendel Skulski:

What is the Sea Gardens Project?

Erich Kelch:

The Sea Gardens Project is a collaborative

Erich Kelch:

effort between Parks Canada and guided by W̱SÁNEĆ and Cowichan

Erich Kelch:

nations to restore the beaches of which we're standing at one

Erich Kelch:

right now, to provide food for Indigenous peoples into the

Erich Kelch:

future forever, to restore the sea gardens provide food and

Erich Kelch:

then to make sure that they're tended as they once were for

Erich Kelch:

millennia into the future by First Nations.

Carl Olsen:

We're between Sidney and Salt Spring Island, on a

Carl Olsen:

little island called Russell Island.

Erich Kelch:

These gardens that we're looking at here haven't

Erich Kelch:

been tended for maybe, maybe 100 years or so. They were not

Erich Kelch:

tended until this project kind of restarted about eight years

Erich Kelch:

ago. And so what we don't really know is, what is the effort

Erich Kelch:

required to restore a sea garden that hasn't been tended? That's

Erich Kelch:

kind of a new question, I guess. And so by having two sides of

Erich Kelch:

the beach, we have a side here that we actively manage and

Erich Kelch:

actively tend and restore, and then we have a side here to our

Erich Kelch:

right that we don't do anything with. And so we're curious, you

Erich Kelch:

know, what is the difference? And it's tricky, because we

Erich Kelch:

never want to be in a place where we're having to prove

Erich Kelch:

Indigenous science. Indigenous science is is knowledge on its

Erich Kelch:

own. And we don't want to be testing that or trying to prove

Erich Kelch:

that.

Nicole Norris:

It's just something that we know, but we

Nicole Norris:

have to prove it all the time.

Erich Kelch:

There's like, maybe another way to speak to a

Erich Kelch:

different kind of language, I guess, like, we can use other

Erich Kelch:

methods to share that story also.

Nicole Norris:

The pathway that has been created between the

Nicole Norris:

Hul'q'umi'num, the SENĆOŦEN, and Parks Canada has really become a

Nicole Norris:

worldwide demonstration of a better way of being together,

Nicole Norris:

about marrying indigenous knowledge with Western science.

Erin Slade:

My title is a restoration officer. I lead a

Erin Slade:

lot of the ecological monitoring that we do, and so as we conduct

Erin Slade:

this restoration work that's guided by community, we're also

Erin Slade:

monitoring how that work is impacting the ecosystems, and

Erin Slade:

particularly the bivalve — the clam species. The clam

Erin Slade:

communities and all of the seaweeds and invertebrates along

Erin Slade:

the walls, we monitor how those are changing over time. We've

Erin Slade:

also, over the years, been trying to monitor how the

Erin Slade:

geomorphology, how the topography of the beach, is

Erin Slade:

changing over time, because we do expect to see that the beach

Erin Slade:

will slowly shift in slope over time.

Hannah Morris:

From this rock this way, I believe it's what's

Hannah Morris:

being restored with Parks. And from down that way, down that

Hannah Morris:

side of the beach is not being restored.

Mendel Skulski:

So this is like the dividing line between the

Mendel Skulski:

restoration project and the and the control.

Hannah Morris:

Yeah.

Erin Slade:

The design of the project was put together with

Erin Slade:

community members and people were okay with starting things

Erin Slade:

off as an experiment. And part of that is because, you know, we

Erin Slade:

do live, currently still live in a society where a lot of the

Erin Slade:

most respected knowledge that is used by government to guide

Erin Slade:

decision making comes from the scientific community. And so in

Erin Slade:

order to speak that language, doing an experiment supports us

Erin Slade:

being able to kind of provide that type of knowledge, to

Erin Slade:

provide evidence towards this work being important and

Erin Slade:

impactful and effective.

Nicole Norris:

We have to be able to prove to Western science

Nicole Norris:

that our methods also work. We know that they work because that

Nicole Norris:

clam garden is 4000 years old, and that is the way it's always

Nicole Norris:

been done. Without scientific research and the data and the

Nicole Norris:

hypothesis behind it — you know, the language that translates

Nicole Norris:

that — how are we to get somebody who isn't so

Nicole Norris:

culturally, emotionally and generationally tied to that

Nicole Norris:

space? How are we to get them to see it as important, or to see

Nicole Norris:

the reasons why we need to do certain things? Like, have more

Nicole Norris:

restoration days, or put more money into the program so that

Nicole Norris:

we can even get there. That data is going to support the

Nicole Norris:

underlying reasons as to why we want to do that, which is, it's

Nicole Norris:

a food source. We need to cultivate it, and we need to

Nicole Norris:

nourish it. And here's the reasons why.

Erin Slade:

But... it's challenging because, you know,

Erin Slade:

people come here and spend a lot of time observing and working in

Erin Slade:

these spaces, and care a lot about them, and having to only

Erin Slade:

work on one half of the beach, only tend one half of the beach,

Erin Slade:

that doesn't sit well with people.

Nicole Norris:

You know, it's like having a hamper full of

Nicole Norris:

dirty laundry and you only wash half of it. We have a cultural

Nicole Norris:

obligation to take care of these spaces, because it's what takes

Nicole Norris:

care of us. That's really what it comes down to.

Erin Slade:

The timelines for seeing the impacts ecologically

Erin Slade:

are not short, and they're also not entirely clear. But we know,

Erin Slade:

you know, like the life cycle of clams, it takes a while to start

Erin Slade:

seeing the response in the clams, and then to start seeing

Erin Slade:

that in the juvenile population.

Erich Kelch:

I didn't know this until just this past year, but

Erich Kelch:

clams have these kind of, what are they called, like sporadic

Erich Kelch:

seeding events, where they seed in large numbers, and those

Erich Kelch:

happen every like three or five or seven year marks.

Erin Slade:

And what we expect to see is kind of with the

Erin Slade:

settlement of juveniles coming from a stronger adult

Erin Slade:

population, we start to see a new crop of adults, and that can

Erin Slade:

take many years.

Nicole Norris:

We are seeing a comeback of some of the biomass,

Nicole Norris:

which is fantastic. We're seeing other aquatic plants starting to

Nicole Norris:

grow, vegetation starting to grow there, which is fantastic.

Nicole Norris:

But I said to them just last summer, I'm done with this test.

Nicole Norris:

Okay, I want the whole beach. And I was getting pretty

Nicole Norris:

forthright. They were like, Oh well, the test, this, that. And

Nicole Norris:

I pushed back. And I said, Listen, I want the whole beach.

Nicole Norris:

I want to turn over the whole beach. I want to measure it. I

Nicole Norris:

want to section it off. I want to start seeding. We only have

Nicole Norris:

this many years left. And I said, you know, stop

Nicole Norris:

pussyfooting around. We need to get this work done. And I said

Nicole Norris:

to my colleagues at Parks Canada, I feel like I'm wasting

Nicole Norris:

my time. This is lip service. Either we're going to do it or

Nicole Norris:

we're not. Some of these spaces we've been working at for a

Nicole Norris:

decade. We've been turning them over for a decade. So the site

Nicole Norris:

beside us, that's the controlled site, is going to take the same

Nicole Norris:

amount of effort when we should have been doing the whole thing

Nicole Norris:

all along.

Erin Slade:

Well, I think that's, you know, it's one of

Erin Slade:

the challenges in working in ecology is, you know, like

Erin Slade:

having the humility to recognize that you can't... these systems

Erin Slade:

are not entirely unknowable, but they are not entirely knowable.

Erin Slade:

This isn't like a lab experiment. When you work with

Erin Slade:

ecology, you're working with complex ecosystems that interact

Erin Slade:

with each other. And you can never have, well, not never, but

Erin Slade:

in most circumstances, you're not going to be able to control

Erin Slade:

all of the factors in order to be able to sort of distill

Erin Slade:

things down into one particular mechanism or function or

Erin Slade:

species. It bleeds into the Indigenous way of knowing that

Erin Slade:

we respect that these spaces cannot be entirely known, but

Erin Slade:

what we can do is spend time in them and build relationships

Erin Slade:

with them and find ways to care for them that follow what we do

Erin Slade:

know. And in doing so, having less rigidity and more

Erin Slade:

adaptability is just generally the way things are done.

Nicole Norris:

The other thing that this has demonstrated is

Nicole Norris:

this is an act of reconciliation on behalf of a federal agency.

Nicole Norris:

Parks Canada and their humble friendship making with the

Nicole Norris:

Hul'q'umi'num' and the SENĆOŦEN is really an act of

Nicole Norris:

reconciliation. Our original relationship was with the land.

Nicole Norris:

It wasn't with government. And they have provided us an

Nicole Norris:

opportunity to regain access, and even though some of these

Nicole Norris:

places are more than likely deemed as a heritage site,

Nicole Norris:

they've allowed us to operate them as active management sites

Nicole Norris:

— recognizing that this is going to revive a food source and

Nicole Norris:

create food security and food sovereignty for nations along

Nicole Norris:

the coast, and this really falls in line with the right to self

Nicole Norris:

determination.

Mendel Skulski:

And beyond the interface between the

Mendel Skulski:

Hul'q'umi'num', the SENĆOŦEN and Parks Canada, sea gardens are

Mendel Skulski:

now truly a place of international relations.

Nicole Norris:

One of the greater things about some of

Nicole Norris:

this work is we've gone through a process with our sister

Nicole Norris:

nations about knowledge repatriation.

Marco Hatch:

The Pacific Sea Garden Collective is this really

Marco Hatch:

amazing network of Indigenous people and allies that work

Marco Hatch:

closely with them from all around the Pacific, from

Marco Hatch:

Washington State, coastal BC, southeast Alaska, Hawaii, Guam

Marco Hatch:

and Palau that get together every year or two and share our

Marco Hatch:

ancestral technologies and restoration work that we're

Marco Hatch:

doing, and through this network, we're learning from each other,

Marco Hatch:

but also understanding that we're experiencing a lot of the

Marco Hatch:

same struggles and issues. As a clam gardener going to Hawaii in

Marco Hatch:

2020 and seeing the fish pond restoration, it really opened

Marco Hatch:

our eyes to what could be possible.

Erin Slade:

More recently, lots of nations have started their

Erin Slade:

own initiatives to restore and rebuild, or build new clam

Erin Slade:

gardens or sea gardens up and down the coast.

Nicole Smith:

Many of us share this hope and goal that there

Nicole Smith:

will be communities who are digging in their clamming

Nicole Smith:

beaches and restoring their clam garden walls, or building new

Nicole Smith:

clam garden walls. I mean, we're seeing that already, and it

Nicole Smith:

really is connecting people with tradition. It is addressing

Nicole Smith:

issues of food security, issues of climate change. You know, I

Nicole Smith:

just, I feel really hopeful for what sea gardens can offer and

Nicole Smith:

help us with as we go forward.

Nicole Norris:

Swinomish came to spend a lot of time with us, and

Nicole Norris:

they built the first modern day sea garden. The Swinomish are my

Nicole Norris:

immediate relatives, and I'm so exceptionally proud of them.

Nicole Norris:

What really opened my eyes was the amount of permits that they

Nicole Norris:

needed, the amount of other entities that needed to say yes.

Hannah Morris:

They built their own wall about a year ago and

Hannah Morris:

had to jump through many, many hoops due to the government and

Hannah Morris:

whatever else they had to go through to put rocks on their

Hannah Morris:

own land. And it was a week of being Indigenous together, not

Hannah Morris:

just Coast Salish people, they're all indigenous people

Hannah Morris:

just by being together in an Indigenous collaborative with

Hannah Morris:

no, I don't know, what would you say... maybe hidden agenda that

Hannah Morris:

the federal government had when they came to Indigenous lands

Hannah Morris:

sparked enough inspiration and drive for everyone to get back

Hannah Morris:

onto their own lands to take care of it in the way that they

Hannah Morris:

know how — whatever that looks like. Whether that be lunch on

Hannah Morris:

the beach and just spending time or getting your hands dirty in

Hannah Morris:

the water, moving rock. I really, really try my best

Hannah Morris:

anytime I come out here, not only to just bring myself, but

Hannah Morris:

to bring someone from my community, in a younger

Hannah Morris:

generation, to show them that it's okay and it's probably the

Hannah Morris:

right thing to do to reconcile and work together with Parks

Hannah Morris:

Canada and the federal government in order to restore

Hannah Morris:

our practices and work together as one to take care of the land

Hannah Morris:

that we're all here on now. Whether we like it or not, it's

Hannah Morris:

this is our reality... and it's a good one, it could be a good

Hannah Morris:

one if we make it.

Mendel Skulski:

Marco shared a story from a time he was

Mendel Skulski:

visiting Bella Bella, Heiltsuk territory, where there are clam

Mendel Skulski:

gardens that have been continuously tended until much

Mendel Skulski:

more recently than the site at Russell Island. He and his local

Mendel Skulski:

guides were traveling by boat.

Marco Hatch:

And it was getting later in the day, and the tide

Marco Hatch:

was up pretty high, and off to our right, I saw a small, little

Marco Hatch:

rock wall on this bedrock feature. So just hard bedrock,

Marco Hatch:

and a little rock wall, and then white, broken shell hash behind

Marco Hatch:

it. So I was like, "hey, just drop me off here." I grabbed all

Marco Hatch:

my survey equipment, and it's not high tide, but it's above

Marco Hatch:

low tide, so clam gardens are well underwater. And the butter

Marco Hatch:

clam zone, now the tides above the butter clam zone, so I

Marco Hatch:

wouldn't expect to see butter clams there. And I was looking

Marco Hatch:

around just broken, dead shells everywhere, butter clams and

Marco Hatch:

some horse clams, and all these different species. I was like,

Marco Hatch:

wow, this is really amazing. And I reached down and just filled,

Marco Hatch:

just both my hands scoop up a big chunk of the sediment, which

Marco Hatch:

is all just white, chalky, broken shell, and it was full of

Marco Hatch:

butter clams. I've never seen that many butter clams.

Marco Hatch:

Normally, a butter clam is, A) lower on the beach, but also

Marco Hatch:

lower in the sediment, where you'd have to dig down a good

Marco Hatch:

six centimeters or 10 centimeters before you get to

Marco Hatch:

the butter clams. Here it was a layer of clams, and below that

Marco Hatch:

layer was another layer of clams, and below that layer was

Marco Hatch:

another layer of clams, and it was just chockablock full of

Marco Hatch:

clams. And so here, just this highest density to this day, of

Marco Hatch:

clams I've ever seen in this little feature that's too high

Marco Hatch:

based on the textbooks for clams to live in. Now they're not just

Marco Hatch:

living there, but they're thriving in this immense

Marco Hatch:

density. And so I was just blown away. I was doing all my

Marco Hatch:

measurements just with my head, like, literally in the sand,

Marco Hatch:

like, freaking out about all these clams. And I start to

Marco Hatch:

think, "oh, man, I wonder... I wonder if they're gonna come

Marco Hatch:

back and get me." They were out of sight around the corner. I

Marco Hatch:

couldn't hear the boat or anything, so I'm looking around

Marco Hatch:

the corner, and I see off in the distance, like, well, there's a

Marco Hatch:

stone fish trap over there. And I'm stuck on this bedrock

Marco Hatch:

outcropping, and I walk to the other side, and I see an abalone

Marco Hatch:

shell. And you can look down in the water, and it's a steep

Marco Hatch:

cliff of bedrock in crystal clear water, with fish and kelp

Marco Hatch:

and abalone habitat all around in the same area as well, and

Marco Hatch:

you can look up and see the fruits and berries that the

Marco Hatch:

uplands been managed as well. And it was that point that kind

Marco Hatch:

of hit me, that I've spent a lot of my time with my head in the

Marco Hatch:

sand just looking at clams within clam gardens. But if you

Marco Hatch:

move your head up and look around, you start to see that

Marco Hatch:

this is one very important piece, but one piece of the

Marco Hatch:

puzzle, one piece of the traditional food system of

Marco Hatch:

mountain top to sea floor bottom.

Carl Olsen:

Our ancestors had this figured out, and I am

Carl Olsen:

thankful for my ancestors. And that's why I got to be passing

Carl Olsen:

it on to my grandkids and to my kids, so that they know the

Carl Olsen:

history of this place. They know the stories of this place. They

Carl Olsen:

know why we maintain these clam garden beds, and why these rock

Carl Olsen:

walls were built and were known as clam gardens. The more that

Carl Olsen:

you talk about it with anyone, the more people will understand

Carl Olsen:

first nations and how they survived. And I think it's

Carl Olsen:

really important.

Nicole Norris:

And really what it is, is it's about trying to

Nicole Norris:

prepare a table for our great, greats that are yet to come.

Carl Olsen:

I have a little great, great grand neice that's

Carl Olsen:

been out here already, learning about what's in the water there.

Carl Olsen:

And it sticks with them. You know, even at that age, you

Carl Olsen:

know, they'll learn more as they grow older, but they need to be

Carl Olsen:

here.

Nicole Norris:

One of the things that I say when we have new

Nicole Norris:

visitors is, if you listen carefully on those paths, you

Nicole Norris:

can still hear the songs of the people that were there before

Nicole Norris:

us. That Stutson's words still vibrate among those leaves, and

Nicole Norris:

eventually my words will vibrate there for my descendants.

Mendel Skulski:

As sea levels rise, our window to rediscover

Mendel Skulski:

many long since tended gardens is closing. So at low tide, keep

Mendel Skulski:

your eyes peeled,

Adam Huggins:

and if you spot one, or if your community would

Adam Huggins:

like some guidance on how to revive or build a new one, get

Adam Huggins:

in touch with the Clam Garden Network at clamgarden.com

Mendel Skulski:

To learn more about the many other types of

Mendel Skulski:

sea gardens in the Pacific Sea Garden Collective, visit

Mendel Skulski:

seagardens.net

Mendel Skulski:

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Goes without saying.

Mendel Skulski:

This episode was produced by me, Mendel Skulski,

Mendel Skulski:

with help from Adam Huggins and Eden Zinchik,

Adam Huggins:

Featuring the voices of Hannah Morris, Carl

Adam Huggins:

Olsen, Erin Slade, Nicole Smith, Marco Hatch, Erich Kelch and

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Nicole Norris,

Mendel Skulski:

with music by Jonathan Kawchuk, Daniel Lapp,

Mendel Skulski:

Thumbug, Adi Gortler, Gamelan Bike Bike, and Sunfish Moon Light

Adam Huggins:

And of course, cover art by Alé Silva.

Mendel Skulski:

Special thanks to Sky Augustine, Erich Kelch

Mendel Skulski:

Courtney Greiner, Miranda Post, Jenifer Iredale and to everyone

Mendel Skulski:

out there bringing Sea Gardens to life.

Mendel Skulski:

Okay, that's it for this one. See you at the beach.

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