At home with her young kids, Carrie found herself with the space to ask a question a lot of women in midlife quietly carry: if I could do anything I wanted, what would it be? The honest answer didn't fit the career she'd already built — and figuring out what to do about that took more than one try.

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Carrie Fabris spent 20+ years in corporate leadership at companies like Google, Travelocity, and Sabre before leaving to start her coaching firm, Career Frame. When it didn't take, she went back to corporate for two years — then relaunched, this time to make it stick. Now an executive coach and author of All In: A Working Mom's Unapologetic Quest for a Juicy Life, she works with senior leaders and teams, but the same lessons apply just as much to a working mom wondering what's next or trying to avoid burnout — including her "Return on Energy" idea: like ROI, but for your energy — are you getting a worthwhile return on what you pour into something, even if the payoff is down the road?

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• [04:02] Why her first attempt at leaving corporate failed — and why she had to go back before she could move forward
• [11:07] What “all in” really means — the idea behind her book All In: A Working Mom’s Unapologetic Quest for a Juicy Life
• [17:46] How to use her FRAME It executive-coaching framework at home — whether you’re leading a team at work or managing your own energy as a busy mom
• [22:57] The Return on Energy framework — a simple gut-check for where your time and energy actually go
• [26:11] The “busy” red flag, and the questions to ask yourself when you can't slow down
• [32:53] How to use your Clifton Strengths to find work that actually energizes you
• [42:05] Setting Your Rate — Why Carrie Doesn't Charge Hourly

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[00:00:12] Safety is not where you are. You're crying every day. You're miserable. You love your team, you love your boss, but you're miserable.

[00:00:30] Molly: Hi there. This is Her Intentional Reset, a podcast for women in midlife curious about whether the career they chose 20 years ago still fits. Hear from women who have made pivots big and small discuss the practical realities, the trade-offs, and whether the change was worth it.

[00:01:08] Meet Carrie Fabris, founder Career Frame and author of All In, located in Dallas, Texas.

[00:01:48] Whether she's sharing lessons from her book, All In: A Working Mom's Unapologetic Quest for a Juicy Life, which helps women see they don't need to choose between ambition and motherhood or unpacking the Frame It Method and Return on Energy frameworks. Carrie brings humor, real-world stories, and a clarity that leaves audiences thinking differently about leadership, ambition, and what it truly means to thrive. . I'm excited for you to meet Carrie. This is Her Intentional Reset.

[00:02:25] Carrie: Hey, Molly.

[00:02:40] Carrie: Yeah, thanks for that question. So after 20-plus years in corporate at Travelocity, Google, all some of the other places that we've already discussed in my intro I was tired. I had been this sole breadwinner for a bit while my husband launched his business and when he got Series A, I was like, "Oh my gosh, thank goodness.

[00:03:38] They were great at the technical skill, but leading people is a completely different skill, so I think I can help." And so I decided to start going on that adventure finding Gallup's CliftonStrengths as a framework. I wanted to have some kind of foundational framework that I could use in coaching sessions, and just started putting myself out there, and it grew and grew and grew, and here we are 10 years later, still coaching executives and working with teams and their dynamics and helping them be strengths-based and emotionally intelligent and adaptive leaders, and having a lot of fun doing it.

[00:04:18] I'm excited to hear your thoughts on how we can incorporate that, not only in work, but also for working moms in our home life as well.

[00:04:32] Corporate Life, Setbacks & Going Back

[00:05:08] We wanted to get him in the right school, which involved selling a house, moving into a new neighborhood, all the things, and I did not have energy to give to both. And so I ended up kind of reluctantly going back to corporate for two years. And it's why they say hindsight is 20/20, when I got through that journey of going back to corporate for two years, I realized it was absolutely a must of a stepping stone that I had to step on to get to where I am today. I needed to go back into that environment go all in, and then very quickly realize this is not what I wanna be putting my all into.

[00:06:02] Molly:

[00:06:02] Molly: So back to 2019 you said that you were doing the work. Can we dig a little bit deeper into that? Because anyone else listening right now, we may be sitting where you were back in 2018, where we're sitting in a situation where we know that this is maybe not where we want to be in, but we don't know what to do next.

[00:06:28] Carrie: Before I ask that, I would say that yes, self included, when you feel you know something's not right, you know you're not aligned with where you are, you feel trapped, you feel stuck, the responsibility of life is heavy, and you don't know what to do. And so in those moments, and how I chose the path that I went on, was I just, I had to just really listen to me.

[00:07:45] working with molly. Thenmy husband said, "Hey, you should connect with this guy George, who's a friend of mine. He works for Tony Robbins." And I'm like, "Tony Robbins? I'm not, I don't wanna do anything with Tony Robbins."

[00:08:00] And I was like, "Okay." He's like, "I can get you a ticket." I'm like, "Okay. Why would I not do that?" So then it was also about being open to things that were coming into my life and basically going, "Maybe I'm supposed to go do a Tony Robbins event." So, went and did Tony Robbins, totally changed my life. Drank the Kool-Aid, did Mastery, went and did Date with Destiny, Life Mastery, Wealth Mastery, did it all. Dramatically changed my life. Everything I outlined and worked through at Date with Destiny that I thought would take me five years to do, took me 18 months to do. Read a ton. I became a member of the 5:00 a.m. Club. I would wake up, read, and it was all, like, high-performing habits self-development.

[00:09:44] It's just like with energy. Energy's not woo-woo, it's strategic.

[00:10:11] And if so, go try something. If not, go find something else that does." I will always invest in myself. I invest in myself personally and professionally. I'm in three executive networking groups for CareerFrame. And so yeah, it's just about putting yourself out there. if you're by yourself, if you're isolating, you're not really growing.

[00:10:32] I will always be a seeker of growth.

[00:10:48] Carrie: That, it does, and it's also incredibly rewarding when you get to the other side.

[00:11:17] sit in that for about five seconds. Then it's what are we gonna do about it?

[00:11:25] Molly: Yes. And on that, in your book, "All In: A Working Mom's Unapologetic Quest for a Juicy Life," you do start with that story about learning to put on your own mask first.

[00:11:40]

[00:11:40] Molly: So then bring us back to 2020 You did all of the work to then relaunch CareerFrame. What had to be true for you to be able to say, I did the work, so now I can move on,"

[00:12:23] The longer it was gonna take me to get to where I am now. And so once I decided to go, "Wait a second. Fear, you're really annoying me and pissing me off. W- what do you want?" I had to literally just pause and go, "What do you want?"

[00:13:03] fall. So it was like I leapt, I fell, and then I bounced up and just kept going, kept soaring. And so fear rarely comes around anymore. When it does, I'm like: Well, hello, old friend. What do you need? What do you want this time? what are you trying to teach me? And so that was the big shift in order to get to the next level and to keep going. And then again, just all of this amazingness followed. even in COVID, I was like, "Just keep going. One foot in front of the other. Keep going." There were tests. Someone called me, "We've got this great senior vice president position, blah, blah, blah."

[00:14:05] People will also, often ask me, since my book's called "All In," "What does all in mean?" And I'm like: What does it mean to you? Allow yourself to determine and define what that is for you, and then do it,

[00:14:32] and did the work to be like, "Okay, why am I feeling this way, and what do I really want to do?"

[00:14:53] Safety is not where you are. You're crying every day. You're miserable. You love your team, you love your boss, but you're miserable.

[00:15:16] Molly: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:15:25] Carrie: Yeah. My five-year goal was a revenue goal because

[00:15:42] So back then it was get the money, get the money, get the money, get the money.

[00:16:05] Like I, I aimed high. I was like, "Why not? Let's just put this big fat number out here." and then to find that I hit it And then beyond surpassed it sliding into 2024,

[00:16:24] the first time I, I launched Career Frame, you know, it has two chapters and the ego was alive and well, and that's just gross.

[00:16:44] I did really great work, so then they would re- refer me to somebody else.

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[00:17:53] Molly: Let's transition to what you've actually built at CareerFrame, And typically, with CareerFrame, you're working with senior leaders senior VP, C-suite executives running teams with a bench.

[00:18:27] Carrie: yeah. So, So Frame It Method is our proprietary method that we have created using the core pillars of CliftonStrengths, emotional intelligence, Situational Leadership. So I use those certifications that I have and I've poured this into, the pillars of this five segment method if you will.

[00:19:10] It's a brush-off. "Oh, it's so great to see you. Oh, let's go to lunch. Oh, I would love that. I just I'm so busy, but yes, we'll do it." It never happens. I wanna encourage people to kinda watch the busy and how busy we are, okay? But let's just go with this. So we're so busy that we often are not pausing to check in with the human that is doing all of this stuff. So in the foundation piece of Frame It, we pause and we're like, "How are you physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually?" Spiritually in this case means meaning, purpose, or whatever it-- however you wanna define it. And we have for all five of these sections, we have a proprietary assessment, but also you will take the CliftonStrengths assessment, you'll take the EQ assessment, you'll do adaptive leadership, things like that. And so we spend a lot of time, again, just the foundation. how is the person who is showing up to do this work? Because you are radiating something, good or bad, you're radiating it.

[00:20:15] Blah, blah, blah, blah. So that's where we start. Then we move into R, which is responsibility and relationships. So again, let's take inventory. Here's an assessment so you can see where you are with this. But then also at work, let's talk about the people that are on your team that report to you, your peers. What is your relationship with these people? And your direct reports, not only what are your responsibilities, but what are you delegating to your people? Are you that leader who's trying to do it all and you're wondering why you're fried and burned out?

[00:21:05] I've been asked this too, like how do you take what you do at work and bring it to home?

[00:21:31] Not speaking from experience. And so then we go into M, which is mindset, and so we walk the person through several different types of mindset and motivation and how they are motivated, how they are motivating the people around them. Again, if you're a working mom, how are you motivating your children? And to those of us that have teenagers, the struggle is real. And back at work, how are we motivating our people? Because everyone is motivated differently.

[00:22:28] This is an ongoing process of a minimum of six to nine months because as we are adults, behavior change takes longer. We get

[00:22:47] And with a phase two, that's where we go into strict coaching, and then we start to bring the team in a little bit more with the leader so they can again start practicing this stuff ongoing real time so now it becomes in the, basically part of their leadership DNA.

[00:23:04] ROE: Return on Energy & Avoiding Burnout

[00:23:13] Carrie: Yeah. ROE is Return on Energy. So we all understand ROI, and when we're investing in something, we hope we get something back that's higher than what we had originally planned. Same thing with Return on Energy. It's how much energy you're putting towards something, and can you see the return you might get?

[00:23:35] right? I use this example a lot with startups when it comes to ROE. Startup entrepreneurs, they're starting a business. Chances are it's gonna be several years to build infrastructure, build the company, build it to profitability to where you will sell it. And so the energy you're putting into it, you can see what the return could be.

[00:24:29] You're like, "Great." But it's temporary.

[00:24:45] At work, when we're putting our energy into a project or initiative or let's say a person or we see someone and we're like, "I just really wanna develop this person.

[00:25:11] You might be putting all of your attention into someone that doesn't wanna grow into that role, so therefore you eliminate. Not the person,

[00:25:32] Molly: I love that philosophy and that framework, and it's as simple as just checking in with yourself. Like, how do I feel after this event or after saying yes to this? Am I excited or am I dreading this? And I think it comes back to, your frame and methodology when you were talking about the foundation with we're all so busy.

[00:26:15] cut those out of your day if you can. Yes.

[00:26:35] I wouldn't even know what to do with myself," to me that's a red flag. That's a red flag of what do you think the reasons are that you're not allowing yourself to pause? What are you afraid to feel? What are you afraid to think? What are you afraid is gonna happen?

[00:27:10] not the problem. A lack of stress recovery is the problem.

[00:27:39] You're telling yourself that story. I don't know that I believe you,

[00:27:44] Molly: that, I was

[00:27:54] Carrie: that's applicable work and home,

[00:28:02] And, it's also watch when you go into victim mode. "I'm taking care of everybody else and no one takes care of me." I'm like, "My dear, you're the only person who can take care of you

[00:28:20] Your podcast, Molly, Her Intentional Reset.

[00:28:30] So you gotta look in the mirror and we are all in control of this body, this mind, this heart, this soul, this everything.

[00:28:41] We're all guilty. again, there's zero shaming in any of this stuff I'm saying, and I'm the kind of person that I don't talk about something I haven't done myself

[00:28:55] Molly: Yeah. Yeah. And that's the purpose of this podcast, is to have that safe platform to realize that we are all in it

[00:29:17] What is that?

[00:29:36] I realized that we're not gonna really get very far if we don't have brain-heart coherence. And I realized that it wasn't that my heart was not open. It was that my brain was so hypervigilant it wouldn't communicate with my heart. So I wanna share that with your audience because when we're verifying the feeling, part of that is also tapping in if you are someone who is hypervigilant and you're analytical, it's having a quick little chat with your brain and going, "Hey, what if for a second I, like, introduced you to my heart and you guys had a cup of coffee and, like, got to know each other so I could actually know what I'm feeling?"

[00:30:33] What's the energy investment? is there a financial investment? So you're really just looking at this and what am I willing to do and not willing to do? And then from there, you determine if you want to execute on this thing or if you need to eliminate it. A lot of times we're doing things because we think it sounds good, someone has told us we need to do it, and this is where it's really what do I wanna do with this? Again, let me verify how I'm feeling about this. What's the impact of that feeling? Like, how's that l- feeling landing? Can I balance the time, the energy is there a financial bit? And then do I actually wanna do this because I've gone through these steps? And eliminating something is doing something.

[00:31:21] It gives you permission to keep going. It gives you permission to stop

[00:31:29] Molly: Yes. You're in control.

[00:31:57] Your leader just wants it done. Now, unless they said, "You're the only person that can do this," if you go through this and you're like, "No, I'm really not," then you circle back and you go have a conversation as to what you have discovered and why this particular thing, you may not be the best person to lead it, but you'd love to be a part of it.

[00:32:38] You're human. But this is just how do you use your emotions intelligently in order to make sure you're in your zone of genius to drive more productivity, more energy and engagement, more success. And I don't know any leader who wouldn't want somebody to be in that zone.

[00:32:53] Carrie: So it's applicable in a- almost every scenario

[00:32:59] CliftonStrengths & Playing to Your Talents

[00:33:28] And for example, I pulled out my StrengthFinders after I saw that you were certified with this, and I dusted it off from 2011. And okay.

[00:33:38] Molly: I found out that my five main strengths are all in executing and strategic thinking. So I have nothing in influencing.

[00:33:59] Carrie: Yeah. So first of all, you don't have nothing in influencing and relationship

[00:34:18] I just wanna do my Enneagram of nine numbers and my DISC of four letters." What I love about CliftonStrengths is it truly does highlight h-how unique you are. You are uniquely you. And so when you look at your strengths, it is in order of what gives you the most energy to the least energy.

[00:35:19] Again, does it sound good? Did someone tell you they needed to be strategic? Or do you actually wanna be strategic, and what does that even... what does that really mean to you, So many of us wanna do things because of how it sounds or the story we're telling ourselves.

[00:35:49] Communication's in my bottom five." This is-- communication's my number one, so this is a hypothetical. "Communication's in my bottom five, and I mean, are we sure I'm the right person?

[00:36:08] So using you as an example, you're like... And I don't know your bottom five, so again, this is a hypothetical example. You're like, "Okay. the thought of standing up and presenting and talking about this to these executives is scary to me. However, I'm an Executing strategic genius. So I'm going to now go into this executive meeting, and I am going to simply focus on what I do and what I know and think about." So now you're using your strengths, the things that you are energized about doing, the things you're energized about thinking about, and you're managing the uncomfortable, "I've gotta go talk about it."

[00:36:55] Carrie:

[00:37:00] And I always encourage people, I'm like, "Sure, if you wanna move one of these non-talents up, that's great. Just be crystal clear as to why, and it's gotta be your why.

[00:37:12] we're all gonna have a bottom five. All of these assessments are really outstanding in their own way. I never have the same conversation twice. I never have the same workshop twice. I love doing CliftonStrengths workshops and working with the team dynamics and helping teams and the leader of that team have these ahas of how you have this talent, you have that talent.

[00:37:35]

[00:37:37] Molly: Yes. I think Clifton Strengths is great for everyone, and especially working moms that may be thinking like, "What do I wanna do next?" me dusting off my 2011 Clifton Strengths

[00:37:54] Actually putting together this podcast has been one of the most invigorating things that I've done in a really long time, and it aligns with my top five strengths.

[00:38:06] Molly: the flip side, knowing that I've no influencing or that not no influencing, but that they literally are like my bottom five,

[00:38:23] Thank you for just that really comprehensive overview on CareerFrame and the proprietary different methodologies that you've incorporated.

[00:38:42] Entrepreneurship: Pricing, Finances & Lessons Learned

[00:38:53] You had 20 years of corporate experience already.

[00:39:03] Carrie: So again, the getting over ego was a big one from a just a personality perspective. And then I also had to learn that if I was not willing to make the coffee, per se, it wasn't gonna get made. If I was not willing

[00:39:38] Molly: get some insurance, like basic business stuff.

[00:39:48] Molly: talking little bit about financial considerations As an entrepreneur, how were you paying yourself initially versus how you may pay yourself now that, you're established 10 years out?

[00:40:17] Which sometimes can be stressful because that means the income needs to be there in order to give a salary. So I pay myself a salary. In the very beginning, my pricing was quite different because I looked through the lens of what would I pay someone with my experience? And so in the very beginning of determining I'm gonna be a coach, like a lot of people just say, "I'm gonna be a coach," right? and I had the CliftonStrengths experience.

[00:41:47] Molly: Yes. You talked about setting rates a little bit. Anything else that we should consider for anyone else that may be stepping into either a consulting role or starting their own business where they're, setting an hourly rate?

[00:42:37] So that again that's my philosophy. I have come across a lot of my peers, and I just wanna pull them aside and go, "You are not charging near enough." Lot of us underprice ourselves.

[00:43:18] the thing I would recommend the most. I have tossed pricing out and then someone was like, "Great," and the minute I did it, I was like, "Ugh, that did not feel good.

[00:43:27] Carrie: I do not feel like I am getting the... There's not a equal value exchange here." and so You'll know when pricing feels good and when it doesn't.

[00:43:46] Molly: Yes. Yes. Thank you for that.

[00:44:12] Molly: So any other insight as to, you, Carrie, what did you bring to the table that's helped you get to what you have wanted to achieve?

[00:44:37] Some people will be like, "Carrie, thank you so much. You did..." No, I didn't. I didn't do this. I've been the one asking you questions, pulling all of the stuff out of you, but you did this. You made this change. And that is a huge joy to me. So I would just say just I am a, I'm a woo in the strengths world, which is winning others over, and the social butterfly, and the extrovert.

[00:45:08] Molly: Yeah. And that authenticity and leading with authen-authenticity is what Change the trajectory of your business, so it's great that you are able to be in tune and listen to yourself and trust yourself, so thank you for sharing that. And how we see ourselves is sometimes different than how others see us, and to your earlier point of, women especially undersell our strengths I wanna share with you what your friend Amy Castellanos had to say were your strengths.

[00:45:44] "I've been friends with Carrie for four years, and the only way I can describe her is thoughtfully loving, impressively intelligent, and abundantly generous with everything she has,

[00:46:08] Some of the most epic international adventures of my life have happened because of her."

[00:46:16] Molly: And one of my favorite pieces of clothing I own, the one that gets me the most compliments every single time I wear it, is something Carrie spotted at an event, bought on the spot, and handed to me because she said it was so me she physically could not walk away without getting it.

[00:46:36] Molly: is carrie. She sees you, and then she acts on it.

[00:46:42] Molly: Amy was wrestling with one of the hardest career decisions in her life, she said that you didn't push, you didn't rush, you didn't project, and for two full years, you held space as her friend, her confidant, and her coach, holding space until she was ready to find her own answers on her own timing, and that kind of patience is rare.

[00:47:34] Carrie's abundance isn't just what she gives, it's who she is, and the people lucky enough to be in her orbit know exactly what I mean. I'm so lucky she's my friend."

[00:47:50] That's-- Yeah. that's, that, that's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that.

[00:47:59] Molly: Yes. What comes up for you when you hear that?

[00:48:18] Then there's also some things that I'm like, "She experiences that and she sees that?" You know what I mean? Do I do that? I'm so glad I do that.as she said, like I, I do pride myself on being very self-aware. I aim to be self-aware.

[00:48:35] what an amazing reflection from her on how I show up. And so I appreciate that you shared that. I appreciate that you reached out to her and asked

[00:49:00] and, And like I said, like I I won't teach, coach, share, discuss something that I have not gone through.

[00:49:41] We're doing work with our teams. We're having this human experience, and we spend most of our time at work.I want people to have fun with that. I want people to really enjoy their team.

[00:50:16] Rapid Round & Personal Non-Negotiables

[00:50:21] You ready?

[00:50:23] Molly: For family and kids, do you have any family core values?

[00:51:06] right? And yeah we do have those values, and when we painted it, we-- everybody got their-- painted their handprint, put their handprint on it, signed it, and yeah, it was a fun project.

[00:51:18] that.we have our family core values, but it's on like Marriott stationery from the hotel that we

[00:51:25] on our family bulletin board.

[00:51:35] Carrie: yes. So I have an almost 15-year-old and a 13-year-old boy and then girl. And they use technology very differently. My daughter's the one that, her iPad is constantly on her. We have-- I would say I, I feel like it's balanced. we allow them to be on their iPads to, watch YouTube, to all the things.

[00:52:20] So my daughter, she is gonna be going into eighth grade.

[00:52:35] so that's kinda how we handle it in our house.

[00:52:43] Carrie: I do. I do. So I am almost 52 years old, and I am the biggest Harry Potter fan. As you read in my book starts with a quote from Dumbledore. I love Harry so much because I relate to him. I lost my mom when I was very young. Life has absolutely been a hero's journey. I love how much he fiercely loves his friends.

[00:53:37] and the first time I went was in 2016, and I had the just the best day on Earth by myself. A 40-something-year-old mom by herself wearing a cloak. It was awesome.

[00:53:51] and also just the, the childlike piece of it, there, there is fun in remembering our inner child

[00:54:04] Molly: Right.

[00:54:05] Carrie: so seriously,

[00:54:11]

[00:54:12] Carrie: final questiondo you have any non-negotiables for your wellbeing?

[00:54:32] Non-negotiable is my sleep. I turn into a pumpkin at 10 o'clock every night.

[00:55:21] So I have quite a few actually, but I'll stop there.

[00:55:33] I think sometimes moms are scared to put a boundary. They feel like they're failing as a mom if they don't put a boundary.

[00:55:41] you're failing if you're not putting a boundary. And again, failing is just learning, okay? I always I always gotta remind people of that.

[00:55:52] Molly: Yes. I love it, and it's such a great way to end this conversation. Carrie, it has been such a pleasure having you on.

[00:56:07] I can see how that translates into Career Frame. So thank you for just your transparency and helping us better understand you and your leadership style and just life philosophy, is another way to say it

[00:56:19] Carrie: you. Thanks for having

[00:56:22] Where to Find Carrie & Closing

[00:56:30] can you share your book one more time with everyone?

[00:56:39] And it is on Amazon. Also to connect with us, careerframe.com. There is a link to the book on careerframe.com as well. We have contact form if you wanna connect to see how we could work together with you or your team, please reach out.

[00:57:27] Yeah. Any of those avenues.

[00:57:41] we will also link this quiz in our show notes. So thank you again, Carrie, for joining us.

[00:58:08] And remember to explore on your own terms 'cause nothing changes if nothing changes.

[00:58:16] Molly: And to our loyal listeners, these are my after show reflections What I keep thinking about in this conversation with Carrie is the off-the-cuff comment she made about being busy and people who supposedly say that they thrive in being busy. She respectfully challenged if that's actually true Or if busyness is sometimes just a way to avoid those feelings with what's going on underneath.

[00:59:19] Because Carrie also just talked about naming and identifying her fear, and when I do that, my fear actually competes with the idea of taking on less. My biggest fear is that I'm going to run out of time, and by time, I really mean the financial runway to do this exploration. I worry that I'll get to the end of all of this and still not have clarity on what I want to do next, and that's why I've been working fast and furiously a lot of nights and weekends because I know that clock is ticking And yet there's that other thing Carrie reminded us of, that life, the universe, source, whatever language you use, keeps putting things in front of you.

[01:01:25] I'm also asking myself, if I don't want to be so busy, what can I pause, loosen, or let go of to create more space for this work?

[01:03:15] So if any of this resonated with you, the busyness, the fear, the quiet wondering of what if I never figure this out? And if you're curious about what we're actually doing with The Artist's Way and our 12-week, creative cluster journey that I mentioned, launching that on June 15th. Please listen to episode 12 for more details, or check out the details on socials and these show notes.

[01:03:54] herintentionalreset.co. I'll see you there, and I'll see you next episode. Bye now