OUR HOSTS: 

Corinne Foxx - @corinnefoxx

Natalie McMillan - @nataliemcm and @shopnataliemcmillan 

What we're drinking: BelColle Simposio Barolo 

TOPIC: 

Between the pandemic, downturn in the economy, and everyday responsibilities, it’s no wonder that Americans are experiencing burnout at record rates. Today, we’re diving into what burnout is, signs that it might be affecting your life, and steps to overcome it. 

We break down the three types of burnout and how to recognize the symptoms of each one. We also share helpful journaling exercises and tools to get to the root cause of your burnout. At the end of the show, we answer listener questions about long-distance relationships, setting and upholding boundaries, and providing support for a loved one who is grieving. 

In this episode, we discuss:

• Why it’s critical to address burnout 
• Negative impacts of work-related stress, including lack of interest, motivation, energy, and physical fatigue 
• Which industry is most affected by employee burnout 
• How to deal with dysfunctional workplace dynamics
• Taking a close look at your mindset and assumptions about your work 
• Ways is to reduce exposure to job-related stress 

RESOURCES MENTIONED: 

Episode 97 - Peace out Peacefully: When and How to Quit Your Job

Episode 67 - How to Recognize and Combat Depression with NAMI's Chief Medical Officer Dr. Ken Duckworth  

END OF THE SHOW: 

Corinne and Natalie introduce Hottie of the Week: David Harbour, aka Hopper from Stranger Things 

WINE RATING:

BelColle Simposio Barolo  = 3 / Hopper

WRAP UP:

To wrap up the episode, Corinne and Natalie give their take on questions submitted by the Am I community. They share their experiences with long term relationships, getting really clear about your boundaries, and comforting a partner who is experiencing grief. 

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[00:00:05] Natalie McMillan: And I'm Natalie McMillan.

[00:00:17] Natalie McMillan: And each week we cover a new topic and we drink a new bottle of wine. Even though we don't really wanna do that anymore.

[00:00:42] Natalie McMillan: I love that reignite

You may be experiencing burnout and the steps to overcome it. And at the end of the episode, we are gonna be. Random advice. So we're gonna be answering questions that you guys wrote into us, things that are going on in your lives, your personal lives, professional lives, and we're gonna be giving you guys our heartfelt advice.

I'm wondering I'm like it, cuz it's not random. I don't know why it's called random advice.

[00:01:27] Corinne Foxx: Being you guys, guys are actually writing in. Right? Right. And you guys can always write into, am I doing this right pod@gmail.com?

If you have a question, you want your besties, your girlies to give you some advice. We are here for you, or you can slide into the DMS. Oh yeah. Slide into our DMS too. Am I doing this right? Pod hit us up. Hit us up it. Go down. That damn that go down. Okay, Natalie, what are we drinking? This episode? We,

Hmm. Barlo symposium

[00:02:08] Natalie McMillan: She smells fruity. Whoa. Did you have a sip? Not yet. Not yet. Give a sip. It.

[00:02:18] Natalie McMillan: Whoa.

[00:02:22] Natalie McMillan: It's well, it's interesting. Interesting.

I feel like we have to tell everyone about our Vegas adventure.

[00:02:35] Corinne Foxx: Okay. So let me give some preface to that. Yeah. Four years I have been talking about, if you go to Vegas, the only thing you should be doing, the O truly the only thing you should do is go see magic Mike life. It is the only thing anyone should ever do when they go to Vegas.

Yes. I've seen this show four times. Okay. I know it backwards and forward. I know all the little bits they knew

[00:03:02] Corinne Foxx: Yeah, because this show should win a

[00:03:06] Corinne Foxx: It should, it should win a Tony. Well, I was nervous about Natalie cuz Natalie like can get like cheese out and I was like, Ooh, will she actually could like this?

and Natalie,

This is a, it's a Broadway show.

[00:03:48] Natalie McMillan: It's not like tacky, like corny. It's like, it's like, you're watching a dance show.

Right. And it's like beautiful dancing.

[00:04:01] Natalie McMillan: location, you, we go to London just to see magic Mike live. I would love to, I think we need to do a yearly pilgrimage. I really do to London. Well that,

To Vegas for magic Mike. No, I know. That's what I, I know. Yeah. I

[00:04:24] Corinne Foxx: Then Natalie got deathly

I said, out loud, you, you said this is

[00:04:38] Natalie McMillan: our friend our friend was like, I dare you to take another shot. And I was like, okay. And I did it. And I said, that was a

[00:04:48] Natalie McMillan: you. Was, it was the one.

Yeah, it was not good. And then UN, unknowingly, I was also getting COVID.

[00:05:03] Natalie McMillan: it, I think it was worth. I really do. You know, and we didn't, we, we weren't sick until after we came.

So it was like, and we were

[00:05:14] Natalie McMillan: was possible morning, Monday morning, but then it's this miss B five. Right? So she's like so contagious that we were gonna get it. Yeah. Regard. I mean, we were gonna get it at trader Joe's or at the mall. So might as well get it at magic.

Mike live. Having the time of our house, having the time of my God life having a disgusting jello shot. Oh God. That jello shot was disgust. It was disgusting so bad. And I loved every second that bad. So that's what we've been up to you guys. Yeah. Oh, I think I need to do a quick update. What on my neighbor he's alive.

My

[00:05:57] Natalie McMillan: He has the strongest will to live. I've ever seen. It's very impressive. And I thought that he had gone, he had only gone into his home.

He's

[00:06:10] Natalie McMillan: might . Oh, good for him. So anyways guys, he lives, he's clearly not burnt out. No, but he's not burnt out

[00:06:25] Natalie McMillan: topic, right. Well, you know, as just people trying to make their way in.

Stage capitalist society amidst a pandemic and another financial crisis. It's not like a giant surprise. Why a lot of us are feeling very burnt out. Yeah. Just that sentence burns me out. Yeah. To, to be honest. Fair enough. So we figured we'd dive into burnout and how to overcome it. If it's something you're currently experiencing

[00:06:55] Natalie McMillan: We like stats and faxes, snacks and hacks.

19%. Meanwhile, 36% reported cognitive weariness, 32% reported emotional exhaustion and an astounding 44% reported physical fatigue, which was an increase. 38% in 2019. None of those numbers are small. No, no, no, no. Like lack of motivation, lack of interest, physical, physical fatigue, but what was even more fascinating was the burnout rates by industry.

So more than four in 10 K through 12 workers in the us, 44% say they always or very often feel burned out at work outpacing all the. Industries, nationally that

[00:08:16] Corinne Foxx: correct. Our teachers, right. They're burnt out the most. Yes. And there's a lot of reasons we can get into very many reasons, but the second industry was college and university workers.

They have the next highest burnout level at 35%, really just making educators like in general, the most burned out groups in the us workforce. Yes. And we do

They're washing and they're drying.

Americans are more at risk for burnout. Yeah.

that's

[00:09:40] Natalie McMillan: 80%. Yeah. yeah. Yeah. It's

So we've been talking about it a lot, but what is burnout,

It's a risk factor for depression, substance abuse, and even suicide burnout can also be contagious and often affects entire workplaces.

[00:10:26] Natalie McMillan: Energy is very real burnout. According to again, the world health organization is characterized by feelings of energy, depletion or exhaustion, increased mental distance from one's job or feelings of negativism or cynicism related to one's job and reduced professional efficacy.

End quote, burnout refers specifically to phenomena in the occupational context and should not be applied to describe experiences in other areas of

I do think you can be burned out in other places too.

[00:11:28] Corinne Foxx: to one's job.

I like that. Yeah. In many

[00:11:40] Corinne Foxx: with Archie. Yeah. I love, I love my dog, but yes. If I being a parent being a

Cause I know they can probably feel.

So causes of depression tend to be like broader in general, whereas. Burnout, we can really pinpoint what is causing these types of symptoms, Uhhuh. So it's more specified. Yes. Like, you know, like if you're at work and then you leave work, you're like, I feel better. That's burnout,

You're like, I can't even do

[00:12:36] Natalie McMillan: So according to the Harvard business review, there are three types of burnout. Okay. Number one, overload burnout. So with overload, burnout, people work harder and even more frantically in search of. This feels very American.

Mm they're. Willing to risk their health and personal life in pursuit of their ambition. And these types of burnout experiences tend to cope by complaining. Oh yeah. That's probably, you know, that contagious. In the workplace aspect, mm-hmm, , you're complaining. And then your coworkers, like, you know what?

Yeah. Then you're all complaining. The second type is under challenge burnout. So signs of under challenge, burnout include not feeling appreciated boredom and a lack of learning opportunities because these people find no passion or enjoyment in their work. They cope by distancing themselves from their.

This type of indifference leads to cynicism, avoidance of responsibility and overall disengagement. Mm, okay. Yeah. Okay. I can see that. And then the third is neglect burnout. So this subtype of burnout results from feeling helpless at work. People may feel incompetent or unable to keep up with the demands of their jobs.

And these types of employees tend to be passive and unmotivated.

[00:13:57] Natalie McMillan: let's talk about some of the

Could lead to job burnouts. So could a lack of resources. You need to do your works. Mm-hmm I, I, I hate that when you're not given the things you need to do the job, the tools, the tools we need, the tools. Another thing is not a surprise work life imbalance. So if your work takes up so much of your time and effort that you don't.

Energy to spend with your family and your friends, you might burn out quickly. Another cause of burnout is dysfunctional workplace dynamics. So perhaps you work with an office bully or you feel undermined by colleagues or your boss micromanages your work. This can contribute to job stress. And I will say whenever I hear Joe like complaining about work, it really is a lot of these dynamics that can get really overwhelming and exhausting.

Yeah. And you have to go to sometimes

[00:15:21] Corinne Foxx: exhausting, another cause of burnout is lack of social support.

If you feel isolated at work and in your personal life, you might feel more stressed. And another cause of burnout is extremes of activity. So a job is monotonous. Or chaotic, you need constant energy to remain focused, which can lead to fatigue and job burnout. So these are all the things that are contributing to so many people feeling stressed, especially mm-hmm Americans.

Yeah. So if you're listening right now and you're like, okay, I. Think this might be me. What are some of the signs of burnout? Yes.

Energy and these symptoms can show themselves in physical pain, stomach or bowel problems. Also, I think probably like headaches. Yeah. Like my eyes get really like tired and sore, kind of another sign is alienation from activity. So look for signs of cynicism and frustration towards work and colleagues, you may start to distance yourself, emotionally feeling numb about your work and environ.

[00:16:44] Natalie McMillan: like I'm outta here. Mentally. Another sign is reduced performance. This can occur at work home or when caring for family members, because you have no energy left for everyday tasks. Burnout makes it hard to concentrate, handle responsibilities or. Be creative. You may not realize that you've hit burnout until it's too late.

When you've crossed the line between I'm really tired and I'm too exhausted to function, right? Yeah. Alternatively, you might be the type of personality who likes to stay busy and might not. Recognize when you're doing too much. Yeah. Mm-hmm I think we get, we, we do that. Yeah, we do too much. It's mental illness though.

It's a

[00:17:32] Natalie McMillan: burnout. Isn't just bad for you emotionally. It has physical consequences as well. In fact, in a 2017 study, it was found that burnout is associated with health risks that include cardiovascular disease, type two diabetes, high cholesterol, bone, and joint pain, fatigue, headaches, gastrointestinal, and respiratory issues, and even death before the age of 40.

Jesus Christ.

[00:18:01] Natalie McMillan: death, not death before 45. Jesus Christ. Oh my God. But you can't overcome it.

[00:18:11] Natalie McMillan: No. So what are our. Steps to overcome miss burnout.

Practices that promote equanimity and wellbeing like meditating, journaling and enjoying nature are all very important to replenish your soul. Mm-hmm if you're having trouble squeezing such activities into your packed schedule, give yourself a week to assess exactly how you're spending your time. If you need to look at your little schedule mm-hmm , you can write it down on a good old fashioned paper or a spreadsheet.

And then for each block of time record what you're doing. Whom you're with and how you feel, for example, on a scale of like one to 10, where one equals angry or drained and 10 is joyful or energized, and then how valuable the activity is, this will help you find opportunities to limit your exposure, to tasks, people, and situations that.

Aren't essential and put you in a negative mood, increase your investment in those that boost your energy and make space for restful positive time away from work. Yeah.

[00:19:41] Corinne Foxx: like it's the energy, right?

It's the person. It's not that. Obviously I'll lose energy being around people, but it goes a lot faster when it's people who are draining. Right. Right. So if you

[00:19:55] Corinne Foxx: audit, then you can be like, oh, you can also like skirt around them in the office. Right.

Right. Let me skirt around you. Yeah. Another way to overcome burnout is to shift your perspective while rest relaxation and replenishment can ease exhaustion, curb, cynicism, and enhance efficacy. They don't fully address the root cause of burnout back at the office. You may still face the same and possible workload untenable conflicts, or paltry resources.

So now you must take a look close. At your mindset and assumptions, what aspects of your situation are truly fixed and which can you change altering your perspective can buffer the negative impact of even the inflexible aspects. If exhaustion is a key problem, ask yourself which task, including critical ones you could delegate to free up meaningful time and energy for other

Yeah, I think we get into

[00:20:59] Natalie McMillan: Right? And then you can also get into a spiral of everything's important. I can't, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm , mm-hmm this work is as important as my life. It's not. It's simply not. So another way is to reduce exposure to job stressors.

This involves resetting the expectation of colleagues, clients, and even family members for what and how much you are willing to take on as well as ground rules for working together. You may get pushback, but doubters must know that you're making these changes to improve your long term productivity and to protect your health set boundaries,

[00:21:37] Natalie McMillan: boundaries.

And honestly, if you need them to reference something, send them this episode and let them here that you can die before the age of 45. Hey, okay. You are protecting your

[00:21:48] Natalie McMillan: And finally seek out connections, the best antidote to burnout, particularly when it's driven by cynicism and inefficacy is seeking out rich interpersonal interactions and continual personal and professional development.

Find coaches and mentors who can help you identify and activate positive relationships and learning opportunities. Volunteering to advise others is another particularly effective way of breaking out of a negative cycle. Hmm. Given the influence of situational factors on burnout, it's likely that others in your organization are suffering too.

And if you band together to offer mutual support, identify problems and brainstorm and advocate for your solutions, you will all increase your sense of control and connection.

How can I, can we reframe, can we do a reframe? And then also if all this happens and you feel like, you know what, it's just the job we got up. So. And we, we, we, we do, we have an episode on how to quit your job so you can go and listen to that. Yes, yes you can. All right. So we hope you guys learn more about burnout.

What it is, how to know if you're experiencing burnout and how to overcome it. Annette, now that we are. Reignited, our souls are reignited, fully reignited. wait, let's circle back. on the line. We are struggling today and let's rate it to our hot of the week. Yeah.

Okay. So I threw this out as a, as an option and I was very excited that Karen agreed. We

[00:23:48] Natalie McMillan: This is David Harbor from stranger things. This season four, David Harbor. Mm-hmm Popp. Had a major

Okay. When he shaved his head, he shaved head. I don't know if you guys don't watch stranger things you want know we're talking about, but you can check our Instagram stories and you can see, but he shaved his head and he's very, he bulked

Right,

Kurt. I'm like so hot. And then the next theme's like back and I'm like,

[00:24:36] Corinne Foxx: Oh,

[00:24:45] Corinne Foxx: okay. So remind us of our wine.

[00:24:54] Corinne Foxx: a red from Italy. Okay. And one to hopper in season, season four, David Harbor, who had, who wins the glow up award? What are we reading

[00:25:15] Corinne Foxx: Yeah. Cause I wouldn't drink this at a restaurant.

I'd be like, I don't like this. I don't know if I would send it. I wouldn't send it back. I just would be like, I don't like this. Yeah. I

It's not the

All right. This is the part of the show where we play a little wrap up game. And this week we're giving you solicited advice solicited. We changed the name. So you guys have written in, these are from our listeners. They're gonna be anonymous, but these are some things going on in your lives that you would like our help on.

Yes. And we're your bestie where your girlies we'll keep it true. We got a SD in the room. Be, be

[00:26:20] Corinne Foxx: have a DM. Yes.

Yeah, you're gonna be good with this one. My boyfriend is going to study in the Netherlands, very proud but sad at the same time. Our love language is physical touch, and I have no idea how we're going to manage during this time. Mm-hmm as a very emotional person. Every time we try to talk about this, I start to cry and I can't really say anything help.

We've been together for almost four years. And I do know that we can overcome this as we have overcome a lot already, but I really would love to hear your advice on how to make this time as pleasant and happy as possible for the both of us. Thank you girls for what you're doing. This is the best podcast for my workouts and I'm always the girl giggling on the dread mill.

Oh my God. I love

Oh yeah. I also had a long distance boyfriend in early college, but that didn't really count. Oh, he lived in Fullerton.

[00:27:49] Corinne Foxx: of. Oh yeah. Yeah. But those are, but the real, the real long distance I did was six months when yeah.

My last relationship was in Colorado and I was here and I had fly. We were flying on the weekends. I forgot about that. Yeah. So here is the tough pill to swallow, which it didn't sound like this was a permanent move. I don't know if long distance works. If there is not an. If there's not an end goal of like, when are we gonna be together?

Right. Is it gonna be, are you going to school for two years? Okay. In two years, then we are together. If it's like, he's moving to the Netherlands and you never wanna move there. And that's where he's gonna base his career. I'm worried because I haven't seen it end well, but it doesn't sound like that's the case.

Yeah. Cause she's

[00:28:35] Corinne Foxx: yeah, yeah. Okay. Cool girl, girl. We are gonna be okay. Yeah.

[00:28:41] Corinne Foxx: Yeah. Let's not have it open ended. No, there has to be like an end goal because there are gonna be times where it's really hard, but when you know, like, okay, in two years we're gonna be together, blah, blah, blah.

It's all gonna work out then. That's fine. Yeah. The great thing is FaceTime exists. And if your love language is physical touch, there are things, you know, you can do, you can do. On FaceTime. There's also these really cute. Okay. They're um, I'll, I'll link it in the show notes. You can, the little pillow things.

Oh, there's that? But there's also the little lights. You can get two lights and he gets one. You get one and if you tap it, it like flickers. Oh. And so when you're thinking of each other, like his will flicker in his room and yours will flicker in yours. Um, and then also since you have like a time zone situation, you're gonna really have to find like your set times to talk.

Yes. I was gonna say that whether it's, when he's getting up in the morning on his way to school and you are coming back from work at the end of the day, like have these set times, and then also FaceTime dates, setting up date nights where you're both drinking wine, you're playing games. You watch a movie together.

There are ways to make it work. And then obviously, like my rule was, and I was really blessed to be able to is not go more than five weeks without seeing, um, my partner at the time. But obviously he's when we to different countries. So it's a different situation, but plan out your trips ahead of time. So you have something look forward to like this many days until he see you this many days until I see you.

You know, just, yeah, I was gonna

[00:30:25] Corinne Foxx: Yeah. Yeah. You're gonna definitely have to, to pre-plan, but I have faith with you guys and getting little things. Yeah. Four years they've four years is a long time. You're in it for the long haul. And as long as there's a foreseeable end to the long term relationship, you should be good girl. Or if

[00:30:46] Corinne Foxx: Right. Maybe you could, maybe you could spend the summer spend like a couple, you know? Yeah. Take some, you. The holiday do a whole month there. Ooh, that'd be fun. I know. Yeah. I'm very excited for you. I don't I'm I think this, I know this is gonna work out. Yeah, I know it. Keep us posted girl. Okay. We, so that was a DM, but we also got an email.

[00:31:10] Corinne Foxx: emails. And this email is to, am I doing this right? Pod gmail.com. Okay. Here we. It says, hi, you too. It is literally such an honor to even be able to type this email to you all. Oh my God. I'm sending all my love and light and praise.

And thanks to you both as y'all have helped me through so much. And I only just started listening about four months ago. So one of the things I've been working on within myself is setting boundaries and being stern towards people and situations outside of my personal circle. I E dealing with problems that may arise amongst coworkers, customers, and even newer friends in my life.

I've done a lot of shadow work and maturing within myself, but once I step outta my comfort zone and into the workforce, it's very hard to carry those standards and character traits with me. Even today, I had a conversation with. One of my other coworkers who inspired me to speak up a little bit more.

And even though I'm very outspoken, when it comes to my siblings, close friends and boyfriend, it's very hard to speak up to people that I don't know so well. And I'm finding this to be something that's deeply bothering me. I. I have, I have stuff to say on this. I'm not sure if maybe y'all have already done an episode relating to my suggestion, but if you haven't and you two could help even just a little bit, it would mean the world to me.

Thank you so much for giving us an opportunity to reach out to you all and connect on a deeper level in the most normal and accepting way possible. I love you both. We love you. I love you. Thank you for all the insight and entertainment over the past couple of months. Stay golden. Oh my God. Oh my God.

Stay golden. And no, I'll be looking out for new episodes every week. Thank you. Oh my God. Oh my God. We love you so, so much. Love you. Okay. Not do you wanna go? Yes. Okay. So

[00:33:14] Corinne Foxx: out on that.

Yes, we do have an episode coming out in people pleasing. Yes. So that'll

Mm-hmm did you have a parent? That if, if you weren't like on your game, they'd be mad at you. Was there some sort of specific memory, because a lot of the patterns that we fall into as adults actually start when we're very young.

Siblings, her boyfriend, like people close it's people that aren't close to her that she feels. And I can understand that like, well, that's what I was thinking. I wonder

[00:34:10] Corinne Foxx: well, what I've learned in terms of people pleasing is what works for you.

What's beneficial for you is actually beneficial for everyone. Yes. And so when you're getting nervous to go up and, you know, maybe stand up for something that you really believe in or stand up for something you think is fair for you don't think you're being selfish. Don't think, oh my God, I'm being selfish because I'm standing up to this person.

Just know that whatever you're trying to implement is gonna actually help the whole ecosystem, the whole workforce. If you are happier, you're gonna do better work. That is in turn, going to help the entire company or whatever you're working. Yeah. So don't feel like you are being this big, bad person come in.

Like, okay. I actually have some information. That's gonna make my life a lot easier. And it's also gonna. Other people because I'm gonna be happier. Yes,

So it's really like pump yourself up. Yeah. Like realize how valuable you are because you are. You are, you are, I can tell from that email.

[00:35:28] Natalie McMillan: and keep us posted after you listen to the people pleasing episode.

Yes. Which

[00:35:49] Natalie McMillan: father-in-law passed away. Two days ago. Oh, I'm so sorry. I don't know what to say to my husband.

What is the right thing to say? If any at all, this is time. Yes. And we're so sorry.

How to like how to provide support to your partner.

[00:36:25] Corinne Foxx: grieving in Google. I was like, oh my God, it was so cute. But I think being there at all is enough and you're not gonna have the words. Definitely think what's not helpful is saying like, it's gonna be okay or they're right. It could be worse.

They're in a better place. Like sometimes that's just like not the right thing. And they just, someone wants to be held and wants to just CR like, I felt the most benefit when Joe would just hold me and I would just. Cry. Right. And he didn't have to say anything. Yeah. He just had to be there. And also maybe taking on some of the, I mean, if it's your father-in-law and it's your husband, I'm sure there's a lot of things that he has to take care of and, and, and offering like, Hey, what can I do in terms of like, you know, planning or coordinating that, like I can take off your plate.

Yeah. Or also, what can I just take off your plate in general, in general? Step at home. Do you need to sleep in for a couple of days? Yes. Can I pick up the slack? What can I do?

Or do you need words? Mm-hmm you know what I mean? Cause sometimes you need the words and sometimes you just need the like presence just. Sit with me, you know, I

Right. It's like, I'm not gonna text you and be like, Hey, actually, can you bring me soup to it's like, yeah, no, sometimes you just have to take an yeah. And be like, I, I know they're not gonna ask me to, and I'm just gonna, I'm gonna make dinner tonight or I'm going schedule them a massage. Right. I'm just gonna do

And you could, even if you're kind of like unsure, like, I don't know if they're schedule or something, you could say, um, like. I'm gonna make you dinner tonight. Like, is that okay? Like, can I bring it at this time? Yeah. And if they're like, oh, I can't, but then be like, what about tomorrow? You know? Yeah. I

I always felt like it was a burden when people would say, well, let, let me know if there's any of the, I can do. I'm like, okay, hang on now. We're gonna, I'm never gonna reach out. No, no, no. You know, but I'm sorry you're going through that and I'm sorry, your family's going through that. A lot. It's a lot. So we, we hope you guys find some peace throughout all of this.

And you guys, if you guys have stuff going on in your life and you wanna email us, you always can. Am I doing this right pod@gmail.com? And if you liked this episode, we actually have similar ones, episode 97, like we said, it's called peace out, peacefully in it as when and how to quit your job. So if you're listening and you were like, yeah, no, I gotta.

Yeah, episode 97 or episode 67, which is how to recognize and combat depression with our fave guy, Dr. Ken. Oh God, I love Dr. Ken. It's such a good episode. So if you're not sure if it's burnout or depression yeah. Go back and listen to that one. Cuz that's a really good episode. Does

[00:39:30] Corinne Foxx: ever had?

Dr. Ken is the only man we've ever had on the sh on the show. I love him and we love him and he is deserving as he is. All right. You guys, well, feel free to re interview the podcast if you love it, because we love you and we'll be back next week with another episode. Bye bye.