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Autism, Activism, and Astro-Elites: Who’s Really Being Served?
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In this thought-provoking episode of A Black Executive Perspective Podcast, hosts Tony Tidbit and Chris P. Reed sit down with panelists Mark Jamison, Alyssa Maglione and Will Fullwood to tackle some of today’s most complex societal issues. The conversation begins with a heartfelt exploration of autism and neurodivergence, prompted by personal stories and RFK Jr.’s recent controversial comments. From there, the panel examines the surge of protests across the country, probing whether these movements reflect genuine public sentiment or are being manipulated for political gain. They also take a critical look at Blue Origin’s all-female space mission, debating whether it represents true progress or is simply an elite publicity play. Throughout the discussion, the group calls for greater empathy, meaningful action, and a renewed sense of hope during performative gestures and rising discontent.


▶︎ In This Episode

00:00: Introduction and Gratitude

00:53: Welcome to Pull Up, Speak Up

01:45: Introducing the Round Table

04:08: Setting the Ground Rules

05:35: Nationwide Protests Discussion

06:50: Debating the Effectiveness of Protests

17:49: Economic Impact of Protests

20:42: Challenges of Unified Messaging

25:48: RFK Jr. and Autism Controversy

39:55: Addressing Neurodivergence and Racism in the Autistic Community

41:13: Political Strategies and Conspiracy Theories

43:45: Empowerment and Fighting Back Against Fascism

48:16: Criticism of Blue Origin's All-Female Space Flight

01:05:15: Final Thoughts and Call to Action

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Alyssa Maglione:

First of all, I wanna thank Will and Mark.

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I, you guys, the way that you just spoke

about autism and Neurodivergence gives

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a mom of an autistic child tremendous.

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I'm so sorry, I'm so emotional.

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Um, tremendous, tremendous hope because

what has gone on since RFK Jr made

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these statements in my household and

households all over this country, and

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quite frankly, the world has been, um,

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very, very difficult.

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My son is autistic.

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He's, he just turned five yesterday.

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Um, I, before I had an autistic

son, I did not know much about

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autism or even neurodivergence,

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PUSU Narrator: the award-winning A

Black Executive Perspective Podcast

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presents Pull Up, Speak Up More

meaningful conversations drive progress,

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and every voice makes a difference.

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So what's on the table

for discussion today?

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Tony Tidbit: It's time to show

up, speak up and get real.

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Welcome to Pull Up, Speak Up a new

series from a black executive perspective

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podcast, your safe space for raw,

unfiltered, and honest discussions on

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the tough issues many shy away from.

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I'm your host Tony Tidbit,

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Chris P. Reed:

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and I'm your co-host Chris P.

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Reed.

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We always like to start out by giving

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Tony Tidbit: Definitely check them out.

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And today, check out our round table as

they'll dive into three explosive fronts.

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The nationwide protests that are going on.

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Are today's marches genuine,

genuinely grassroot movements,

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or are there strategic political

theater RSK, junior and autism?

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Is this a fight for scientific truth

or a dangerous play in the culture

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wars and the all female space mission?

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Are they breaking barriers or is this

just a well packaged marketing stunt?

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Chris P. Reed:

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Before we get too deep into it,

let me, uh, introduce you guys

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to our posthumous round table.

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I'd first like to start with Mr.

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Mark Jameson, founder

of KickUp, Mark Jamison.

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Welcome to Pull Up, Speak Up

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Mark Jamison: Thanks Chris.

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Uh, and it's founder of KitUp Training.

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Thank you,

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Chris P. Reed:

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kid up, kiddo.

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I'm sorry, KitUp.

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Yeah, let's keep that right.

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Keep it tight.

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All you're good.

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And, and then uh, next is Alyssa

Maglione, longtime Media executive.

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Alyssa, welcome to Pull Up.

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Speak up.

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Alyssa Maglione: Thank you.

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Chris P. Reed:

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Alright.

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And then rounding out our panel is Mr.

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Will Fulwood, assistant Professor

at Wake Technical Community College

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will welcome to pull up SpeakUp.

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Will Fullwood: Thank you so much Chris.

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Happy to be here.

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Also the creator of the Contraband

Wagon where I'm changing

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the conversation on race.

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Chris P. Reed:

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That's right.

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That's right.

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All right, cool.

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Go ahead.

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Tony Tidbit: Well

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Chris P. Reed:

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guys,

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Tony Tidbit: you know, number

one, thanks for coming.

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You know, obviously

Melissa, you are old pro.

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You've been on pull up speaker

for a couple times, but Will and

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Mark, this is your first time.

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So Will the contraband wagon is

pulled up here and made a pit stop.

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So why did you wanna come

on, Pull Up, Speak Up

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Will Fullwood: Yeah, I definitely wanted

to come on, Pull Up, Speak Up, just

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to give a little bit of my perspective

on anti-racism, activism and how

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important it is, especially in this day

and age that we're dealing with, uh,

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encroaching fascism in the United States.

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So I appreciate you giving

me a platform to do that.

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Tony Tidbit: All right, cool.

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And then Mark, welcome my brother.

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First time on Pullup SpeakUp.

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Why did you wanna attend?

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Mark Jamison: Yeah, thanks Tony.

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I wanted to join because I wanted to

be part of the conversation, right?

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Things are happening in spaces all over,

you know, the country all over the world.

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You know, events are turning.

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So I want to be part of the conversation

and bring perspective that I can.

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Tony Tidbit: Sounds

like a plan, my brother.

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Welcome both of you.

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All right.

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Chris P. Reed:

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Before we get too deep into this,

I wanna make sure that I set the,

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the ground rules, not only for our

audience, but for our panelists as well.

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So we have seen 10 simple ground rules

that we employ here to, uh, establish,

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uh, clean and and concise dialogue.

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And so let me just start by saying, uh,

number one, rule respect all voices.

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Number two, listen actively.

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Number three, no personal attacks.

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Obviously, it's a lot of

passion from you guys.

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It might get a little heated,

but no personal attacks.

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Keep it real professional.

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Number four, avoid interrupting.

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Let let everybody here get a

chance to speak their mind.

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And then number five, stay open-minded.

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Number six, speak to your own experiences.

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Know story from a story from a

story that gets watered down.

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And then, uh, we're not factually correct.

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Number seven, let's stay on topic.

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We have a small amount of time

to talk about a lot of things.

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Let's make sure we stay poignant.

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Number eight, follow those time limits.

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All right, number nine,

challenge ideas and not people.

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We wanna make sure we keep it

spirited and high energy, but

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we are respectful to each other.

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And then we round it out with

number 10, no buts anytime somebody

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interjects a, but it tends to dis

dismiss the things that have been

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said for the person prior to that.

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So those are our 10 simple rules.

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Tony Tidbit: Alright, thanks Chris.

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And so everyone, I need to get

a thumbs up saying that you

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guys agreed to the ground rules.

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All right.

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This is a safe space.

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Pull Up, Speak Up Let's go.

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ABC News: In cities all across America.

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Saturday was a day of people making

their voices heard From coast

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to coast, thousands took to the

streets, driven by frustration,

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fear, and a demand for change.

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Here in Baltimore, WMAR two News'

line Hoover brings us the voices

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behind the march and the movement.

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We have seen Kmar, Armando Abrego

Garcia, illegally kidnapped in his

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home with no criminal charges and

sent to a mega prison in El Salvador.

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Shame a day of protest.

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And recent estimates from the Department

of Homeland Security say that they have

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deported over a hundred thousand people.

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Since Inauguration Day, shame

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with a message for protestors on

behalf of people like her who don't

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always know how to get involved safely.

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I love you and thank you for having a

voice and thank you for using your voice.

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For those of us who either

can't, don't know how to or are

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scared to thank you for not.

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Be Thank you for being fearless.

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Tony Tidbit: So guys, wow.

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So right now you have protests

called Hands Off 5 0 5 0

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1, all across the country.

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They're sprouting up in every major

state, big cities, um, you know,

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really pushing back on what's been

happening in the Trump administration.

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So my first question, and I'll

go to Alyssa on this, you know, a

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lot of times people, I think these

are coordinated stunts, right?

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Because obviously, uh, Trump got

the re uh, majority vote, a popular

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vote, uh, in the last election.

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So do you think this is a real Alyssa,

or do you think this is a political

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strategy disguised as activism?

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Alyssa Maglione: Um, I

don't think it's, it's.

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I think it's real.

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I, I think that the people who organize,

or at least started these movements

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are very much wanting to create or

create a place for people to speak

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up and have a voice because so many

people feel voiceless right now.

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Um, yeah, Trump may have gotten the

majority of the popular vote, but

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the reality is, is where however

many days in, are we even a hundred

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days in yet to this, this craziness?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We are, we're, we're barely,

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Tony Tidbit: barely, barely.

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Alyssa Maglione: Yeah.

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Um, and it's just that

it's crazy and I think, um.

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These movements started.

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I mean, I think 5 0 5

0 1 started on Reddit.

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I think someone like started

bringing things up on Reddit and

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it just kind of took from there.

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And then of course, social media, it

all built it, it all just got so big.

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I don't think that these are

just like, I, I, I dunno, fake

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or, or just for like optics.

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I do think that they're

very real movements.

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I think that, um, though the problem

is, is we can get, go out and

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protest and have our voices heard,

and clearly people are doing that.

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But then what, like,

what's happening next?

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I mean, there were some of these, some

of these marches and some of these actual

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like, you know, um, groups of people,

like we had people coming out from.

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From the cap, the, the Capitol building.

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We had people coming out all over, not

just in DC but all over the country.

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We had actual, like political leaders

coming out and speaking at these events.

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But then what, what's

happening from there?

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And I think that we don't, I, I

think you can make your voice heard,

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but then it needs to go from there.

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We can't just have a protest on a day

all across the country, very impactful.

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But what can we do from there?

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And I think that's where

we're kind of losing it.

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I don't think that they're just

like, for, you know, or, or

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publicity stunts or something.

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At least I don't see it that way.

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Tony Tidbit: Got it.

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Got it.

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Mark, what's your thoughts?

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Mark Jamison: Yeah, I mean, Alyssa,

I think you've said, said it right?

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I don't think it's a publicity

stunt, but I do think that it's

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not as focused as it should be.

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There needs to be a what's next?

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Um, when we think about the 50 51, if

people aren't familiar, 50 states, right?

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50 states, 50.

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Uh, what is it?

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It's 50 states, 50 um, states,

50 protests, one movement.

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That's it.

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50, yeah.

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50

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Tony Tidbit: states, 50

protests, one movement.

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You got it.

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One movement.

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Mark Jamison: Um, so when we're

thinking about this one day, I

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mean, these protests take years.

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They take years sometimes to turn

over and really enact the change.

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I mean, we cannot look at

this and say, uh, that it's.

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because it's too early to tell how

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Mark Jamison: Uh, people want to focus.

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I think people want to be engaged.

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And while 50 51 is a great start,

the question is what's next?

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Right?

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Um, I also think the conversation

about it is calling out people who may

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not be joining the protests, right?

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And with that, we're looking at,

well, what is the real focus here?

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If we're looking at Donald

Trump, we're looking at Doge.

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I mean, there's just so

many different things.

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That come up all the time.

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You see all the signs are just all over

the place when you look at the protest.

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However, the movement itself, the

work itself, the people who are

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actually getting in the streets,

I give them kudos, do the thing.

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Because optics matter.

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People seeing someone in the

street protesting does matter.

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And I think our conversation, like you

said, Alyssa, should be what is next?

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Tony Tidbit: Well, I think that's

one of the issues why people think

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this is a poli political stunt, okay?

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Because there is no action, alright?

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There is people just walking around,

we shall overcome and then overcome.

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What, what are you gonna do?

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So will, what's your thoughts on that?

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Right.

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Because you know, to be fair, if there

is no action and you just have people

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out, um, you know, just screaming

and hollering and, and they may be

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talking about rightful issues, so

don't get me wrong, but if they don't

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do nothing, can you blame anybody

saying, this is just a, a, a show.

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Will Fullwood: Well, first

of all, I don't blame anybody

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for their perspectives, right?

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Every, we all have our own individual

lives and experiences and we gotta

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respect everybody's experience.

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But, um, ultimately, um, I think we need

to differentiate the protests that are

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happening now from protests that were

happening in the past because, um, in

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the past, a lot of the protests that

were happening, they were effective a

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lot because they showed brutality, they

showed brutality against protesters.

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And that visual of seeing that really

helped the public get a, gain, a greater

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understanding of the world around

them, you know, what was actually

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happening, um, what the issues were.

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I don't think we have that element

in these protests that we're

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having right now, even in the

Black Lives Matter protests, right?

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We could see that there was

this, um, force rising up to

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meet the protest to try to.

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Kind of maintain the illusory, you

know, piece that we've developed

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here in the United States.

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Um, but here when we're protesting

against, you know, these funded

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fundamental, um, unconstitutional

acts by the Trump regime as I

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call them, um, know, I think that

that brutality is not rising up.

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You know, law enforcement isn't come

coming out there and brutalizing people.

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These things are not occurring.

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And we see that even senators who are

traveling to El Salvador trying to

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advocate for these unjustly imprisoned,

um, you know, um, Americans or, uh,

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residents of America, and, um, even they

are being stonewalled right by the prison.

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They're not being allowed in.

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They're not being allowed to verify

people's safety and security.

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So, um, I get that it's

frustrating for people, right?

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That.

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You can feel powerless when you're

just out there walking around.

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But I do not agree that, um, just getting

out there, walking around is meaningless

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because we need a critical mass of the

citizenry to understand the pivotal

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nature of what's going on right now.

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We don't have that right now.

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People do not understand how important

this time in, in American history and

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in human history, I would argue is.

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And so just gaining, um, having those

conversations and helping people gain an

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understanding of how important this moment

is, that is what leads them to understand

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what their place in this moment is.

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So I think that the conversations

themselves that arise from gathering

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people together through those protests

are valuable in and of themselves.

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And it's the same way that I say that

conversations among the subject of race

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are an act of anti-racism themselves.

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Chris P. Reed:

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Let me, let me ask this though, will,

let me stick with you for a moment.

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In the idea of how you just

depicted it, awareness is enough.

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Um, do you believe that historical

protests were hostage negotiations where

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these are our demands and if they're not

met, we're not gonna go home and we're

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gonna chain ourselves to these things

and, and just cause you all kind of

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anxiety and therefore people just the

knee because of, you know, those things?

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Or do you think that it's just really

publicity that allows for the protest

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to actually have effectiveness?

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Will Fullwood: I think it's a

combination of things, right?

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The publicity definitely

is a big part of it.

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We've seen even in criminal cases.

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Where perhaps people who committed an act

of violence were not gonna be charged.

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And then there was public outcry

and then suddenly charges come down.

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So we know that a public outcry can

have an impact on government officials

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'cause we've seen that over and over.

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So that's definitely an

important part of it.

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But I also think that, um, again.

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It is not just about what happens

to the people in power, right?

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And like what influence that

these things have on them.

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It's also about what influence these

protests and these, uh, these aspects

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have on people's individual lives, like

regular citizens, individual lives, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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So for instance, if we talk about

the Montgomery bus boycott, right?

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Not only did that have a critical

impact on the economic situation

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in Montgomery, Alabama, right?

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But it also transformed the way

people were living their lives.

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Correct?

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People were no longer using, you

know, the public transit system.

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And so there was a lot of walking,

there was a lot of talking.

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There was, people changed the

way that they interacted with

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each other and their community.

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And I think that that is really

what has the greater impact

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because it gets people to see, hey.

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We can make changes ourselves.

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We can change our own lives and

create the kind of world that we

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want instead of waiting for some

kind of official to do X, Y, and Z.

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And we're in a similar situation

here, although it's a little bit more

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difficult because it's not as directly

involved with our individual situations.

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But ultimately, we see from the

target, um, boycott, right, that if we

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start using more collective economic

action in order to try to make change,

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that that is gonna have an impact.

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We see a target reaching out to,

uh, to black leaders in the black

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community being like, okay, all right,

we get, we see, we get your message.

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Let's talk, let's figure

out what we can do.

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And that's the kind of pressure we

need to really, uh, bring to bear.

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Chris P. Reed:

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So, so Alyssa, in, in, in what will

just stated, why does he not see

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the erosion of belief in the system

or belief in, in, in the, the, the

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American way and things of that nature?

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Because I think in previous instances of

protesting, there was a system in place.

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People were infringing upon that

system and we were highlighting

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that infringement and therefore,

you know, justice needed to prevail.

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And it's my opinion that.

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Unlike in the past as a historian, nobody

believes that the system cares anymore

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and everything is capitalistic in nature.

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And therefore, if there's no boycott

or money involved, then these protests

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are just, you know, staged, uh, theater

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Tony Tidbit: or if nobody

gets shot or killed.

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Go ahead and listen.

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Alyssa Maglione: yeah.

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Um, actually while Will was just

saying it, as soon as he said economic,

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my, I was kind of like, yeah, like,

and it made me think about, I don't

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know if you guys had heard about, I

think it, I actually remember it was

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February 28th that someone started this

campaign to see if people would join.

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Um, not buying anything on Amazon Target.

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It was like a bunch of big retailers

and they were trying to say, if

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we can get enough people to not

per make big purchases, only go to

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small businesses, don't use your

credit cards, just in that one day.

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What kind of impact will that

have, that kind loss of money on

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government and government officials.

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And I, I guess a lot of people actually

did join the movement and a lot of people

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didn't make those purchases because I saw

some number, like there was like $12.5

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billion lost in the day to, that they

would normally have made in that,

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you know, at that time of the year.

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was speaking about how, to your point

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Chris, like everything is like kind of

a capitalistic economic situation now.

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It's like we can't care about it unless it

affects our wallets or, and the government

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certainly, I mean, the government

certainly thinks that right now as, and

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I agree with Will, the Trump regime does.

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This is right.

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Everything is money, money, money.

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But so yes, I'm sorry not,

but, but yes, it does look

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like these are just theatrics.

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Like get out there, hold your signs,

yell and scream, and then if no

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one's hurt and no one's shot at.

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No one pays attention.

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But if you really, like in this country,

technically speaking, if we're gonna

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look at our constitution, which I

know no one does anymore, but, um,

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it's supposed to be that, you know,

what's, what's legal and allowed in

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this country is peaceful protesting.

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So mm-hmm.

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Those protest years and years ago that

were happening, um, all the civil rights

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protesting, those were all peaceful.

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Certainly none of the people

protesting were, were not peaceful.

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It was what the reaction was to it.

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So now we have a situation where law

enforcement is not reacting that way.

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Why aren't they reacting that way?

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It's not because the people are being,

the protestors are being peaceful.

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Like what?

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Like why?

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Like why is there such a difference?

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Now?

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Of course we can talk

about it's different time.

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It's this, it's that, but.

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Why is, why does it even take that?

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I don't know.

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I don't know the answers to these things.

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I don't know why.

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Everything does seem like it's just, okay,

one day of don't buy stuff, one day of,

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uh, get out there and hold your signs up.

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I, I don't know.

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I don't know the answer.

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I, I, I, I, I do think, though,

it, I agree with you, Chris,

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it's like an economic, like,

oh, does it affect our wallet?

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Like, no.

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Tony Tidbit: So the challenge is, so the

challenge is, is that, and, um, will,

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I'm gonna go, mark, I'm gonna come to you

on this question, but I'm gonna back up

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to what Will was saying, and, and, and

Alyssa said it a little bit too as well,

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is that, let's use the Montgomery boycott.

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Okay.

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It was one issue.

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Mm-hmm.

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Okay.

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It was, we wanna ride the bus.

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So people could galvanize

around the one issue.

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That's true.

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Trump has created chaos where he has

thrown so many things out there, right?

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So even the protestors, when they

up there protesting, they can't

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even be succinct now on the things,

because there's so many of them.

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And when you have so many of

them, it dilutes the protest.

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That's just a fact.

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Okay?

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And that's why people saying

they're staged because

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there's not a clear message.

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And that's on purpose.

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The, the, his strategy was, we'll

overwhelm them with a ton of stuff

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and they can't fight back because

it's too many things, right?

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So when you don't have a clear message

and a clear action plan, okay, to fight.

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That, I mean, to, to go with that message

when you, it's like a smorgasbord, right?

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You got salami, bologna, ham,

you know, Hey, I, uh, which

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one you wanna fight back on?

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Is it a ham?

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Mm-hmm.

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Or is it salami?

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Or is it the bologna?

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Right?

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And some people say, well, the

bologna's okay, but it's the ham.

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And they help people.

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No, I can't stand.

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So when you, when it's thinned out

like that, it dilutes the process.

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So Mark, what's your thoughts on that?

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Mark Jamison: I mean, you nailed it.

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I, I I think it's, it's, there's too many

things happening and that's intentional.

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We knew this was gonna happen.

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Exactly.

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Right.

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It wasn't like we didn't

have all of 20, 24 to know.

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It's not like they didn't put it

out in project:

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hundred days that they were going to

try to ram through as much as possible.

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We knew it was coming.

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The fact though, is that how did it

take this long to build the response?

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We knew it was coming, right?

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We knew that there was time to focus on

what are going to be the core issues.

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I love the fact that people are out

there and protesting, and we still

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have to talk about a unified message

if there are 50 different messages.

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It's not saying that you don't

care about 50 different things.

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It's that you need to leverage what

you know and what you believe is

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going to bring the best outcome.

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Right.

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And I think with the protests,

this is just a start.

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You can have 50 protests, but if

they all have a different message,

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you can't highlight all of them.

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You can only highlight what the

media is then going to point out

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and they're not going to point out.

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Things like the real serious

economic issues all the time.

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No, they're going to nitpick about little

things because we know they're going to

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try to avoid the core message, right?

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They're going to.

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And when we have too many different

topics, too many ideas being

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thrown out there, all these signs

are saying something different.

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People are screaming different things.

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It doesn't mean that those messages

aren't important, but what we're

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looking for is, is this effective?

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Is this really going to move the

needle on forcing politicians to

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change their tune, to speak up louder?

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Uh, making sure everyday people

recognize that the work, that their

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whole lives are wrapped up in politics.

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Whether you accept it, reject it or not.

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Right.

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Your whole life is in politics.

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You're upset about eggs.

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Well, eggs, prices are set.

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Right?

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Those things raise with

economic issues, bird flu.

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So we have all these things

that people are upset about.

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Doge literally threw crap at the wall and

was like, we're going to see what sticks

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and rip the pain off as we go, because

we know it's going to cause issues.

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People are protesting.

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We don't have focus, and I think

more and more we'll get there.

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Right?

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It takes time to build these things.

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Civil rights wasn't done

in three years, right?

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The Montgomery bus boycott

was actually planned.

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It was coordinated, right?

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Rosa Parks was planned.

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It was coordinated.

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She knew she was going

to sit down on that bus.

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She knew she was going to

refuse to stand up and move.

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So it does take this energy, this

time, some intentional coordination,

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but we need a unified message.

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Chris P. Reed:

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But what you stated was very poignant in

the fact that I don't think we have the

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luxury of dedicating, or we're not taking

the luxury of dedicating time to this.

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Like you said, one day, one this, one that

where these folks were in for the long

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haul, these folks were willing to go to

jail and sit and, you know what I mean?

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It wasn't just gonna go away quietly.

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If we just hold off, then this

too shall pass from the, from the

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administrative perspective, right.

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They just, now we feel like,

Hey, these guys can't take two,

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they only got a week vacation.

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Right?

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They only got so much time.

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We could just wait 'em out and, and we

have, we have so many controversies.

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I mean, we're gonna go into another

controversy now and it's just, it is

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what they call muzzle fire, right.

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NBC News: Today, the nation's

top health official Robert F.

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Kennedy Jr.

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Doubling down on his claim that there

is an autism epidemic year by year.

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There is a steady, relentless increase.

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The Health and Human services secretary

pointed to the C'S own data showing autism

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prevalence increased from one in 158

year olds in:

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Then he offered his own theory

for the rise without proof.

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Robert F Kennedy: This is a preventable

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disease.

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We know it's an environmental exposure.

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It has to be.

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Genes do not cause epidemics.

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NBC News: Kennedy painted a bleak

picture for those with autism,

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Robert F Kennedy: and these are

kids who will never pay taxes.

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They'll never hold a job,

they'll never play baseball.

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They'll never write a poem.

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They'll never go out on a date.

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NBC News: Sam Branson has a PhD in

physics and is an autism researcher.

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Both Sam and his

7-year-old son have autism.

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We have, I think, vibrant features and

yeah, to hear someone who's a government

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official, you know, calling us an epidemic

and, uh, yeah, essentially labeling us as

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negative outcomes is, is quite harmful.

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Chris P. Reed:

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So, so let me go to you will, because

I've seen the vitriol of the, the

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inquisitive, you know, eyebrow raise

that you had there, and I wanna get that

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while it's still warm, um, in the idea

that, that RFK Jr is pushing for these

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studies on environmental links to autism,

while also downplaying the science of

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the diagnostics and just making this

what I consider to be global theater,

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um, how dismissive is it to say that an

epidemic, I think he's mixing so many

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different words to kind of confuse you.

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And what is your take

on what you just heard?

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Will Fullwood: I mean, my take on

it is that was pure dehumanization,

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that he was spouting right

there, and it was disgusting.

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I was, I was shocked, uh, to hear

that from, from a public official, um,

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Tony Tidbit: not the public official

talking about the, the, the head

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of the, the human health services.

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Right.

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So not, not just a underling or a

junior or somebody got a college, this

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dude running the whole department.

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Yeah.

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Will Fullwood: Someone with the

power to actually effectuate action

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based on that, uh, perception of

dehumanization of autistic people.

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And that is, that's wild.

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I've, I'm a mathematics instructor.

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I've been teaching math for

20 years, and I've taught many

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students who are autistic.

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And one thing that I always

encounter with them is.

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They have an experience with me

as their teacher, where I actually

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have expectations of them and belief

in their ability to do things.

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And they haven't experienced that

a lot from people in their lives.

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And the transformation that they go

through by having someone like me

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in their life is radical and just

so amazing, guys and beautiful.

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So for me to hear, um, him say that

about autistic people, that they won't

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go on dates, that they can't play

baseball, that they won't graduate,

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like all these things that is, um,

that's devastating and um, it fits

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right into the tyrannical posture that

the Trump regime has put themselves in.

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Um, and actually I think that I.

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It's stuff like this that can really

galvanize the populace to start

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taking more action against the regime.

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Um, because autistic people

exist in Republican household, in

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democratic households and independent

households, they are all around us.

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You know, it's similar to how,

um, gay marriage ended up, uh,

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working out in this country, right?

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Because gay people exist all around it.

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We all know someone who, uh,

identifies as homosexual, you

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know, regardless of anything else.

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And so I think that allowed us to

move, um, into a place where we could

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universally recognize it as a right.

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That people should have.

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And I think similarly, if you're gonna

call all autistic people, um, you know,

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basically a waste of space and like

take away their humanity, um, well,

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the people who have autistic people in

their lives, who they love and who they

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work with and who they socialize with,

they're gonna be like, that's not right.

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Right?

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And when reality interferes with these

narratives that these politicians try

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to create in a way that really, um.

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It touches the hearts and it

kind of inflames the spirit

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and the emotions of people.

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That's when you start to

see action being taken.

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That leads to real change.

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Chris P. Reed:

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Mark, how do you feel about RFK trying

to cast, uh, people on the spec?

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People with autism as modern day lepers.

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Mark Jamison: Yeah,

it's disgusting, right?

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I mean, at the end of the

day it's dehumanizing.

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Uh, and it's max of the eugenics

that RFK has been known for over

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the last 20 years, if not longer.

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Right?

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Um, I think that it's

political incompetence.

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I think it's scientific incompetence

and it puts all of us in danger.

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Not because specifically, uh,

folks with autism and those who've

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been diagnosed with autism are

any, uh, are, are not accepted.

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But it's that when you start the slow

decline, the slow descent of dehumanizing

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somebody to find a solution to a

problem that you think is a problem

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that goes against all the research.

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That then becomes malpractice, right?

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Because you are the head of Health and

Human services, you are the lead of that.

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And even if you are trying to mask

it at getting to the cause of the

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issue, but you're ignoring, you're

ignoring over 90, 95% of all the

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research that have been put here.

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You want to return to mental asylums

that were done by force because we didn't

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understand that neurodivergence existed.

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Right.

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:

Um, or what do you talk about with

your, your buddy Elon Musk, who self

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proclaims that he's neurodivergent

by using a term that is no longer

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used because it was specific to a

specific group of folks with autism.

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Right, right, right.

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So we think about.

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The historical aspect of it.

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When we think about who he is and

who this regime love it represent.

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It's not the new.

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It's not new.

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And I do think it's going to be a

unifying cry, and I hope that it's

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going to speak more and more about the

mental health crisis, the real mental

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health crises happening versus us

understanding, uh, that neurodivergence

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doesn't mean an ability, it means we

recognize that you may not process

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the same information, right, in the

same way as other people, right?

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Technically, all of us are neurodivergent.

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There's no question.

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Tony Tidbit: There's no question.

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There's no question.

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Alyssa, let me hear your thoughts

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Chris P. Reed:

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and, and just let me say this

before, Alyssa, before you go.

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I knew that saving you for last would

inject the humanity in what they've

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talking about with the dehumanization.

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Because of your passion and I know

and your child, this is a perfect,

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this is a perfect opportunity

for you to speak to, um, this.

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In a way only you can,

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Alyssa Maglione: um,

I'm getting emotional.

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I'm sorry.

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Um,

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first of all, I wanna thank Will and Mark,

I, you guys, the way that you just spoke

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about autism and Neurodivergence gives

a mom of an autistic child tremendous.

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I'm so sorry, I'm so emotional.

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Um, tremendous, tremendous hope because

what has gone on since RFK Junior made

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these statements in my household and

households all over this country, and

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quite frankly, the world has been, um,

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very, very difficult.

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My son is autistic.

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He's, he just turned five yesterday.

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Um.

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I, before I had an autistic son, I

did not know much about autism or

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even Neurodivergence, just I knew

it was a, you know, something that

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a lot of people experienced, but

I had never experienced it myself.

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Um, I did experience, I guess,

neurodivergence in that I also had a

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daughter who, um, battled brain cancer

for 10 years and she's since passed away

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and she had a lot of different things that

we dealt with in the neurodivergent kind

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of family, but all caused by her cancer.

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So I wasn't unfamiliar with different

kind of things neurologically that

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would go on, but when I found out

my son who was autistic, it shook my

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world as it does pretty much every

parent who gets that diagnosis.

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But autism isn't a disease.

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It is most certainly not an epidemic.

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The fact that it is being positioned

that way by someone with the

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power that RFK Junior has, as

Tony just stated, is horrifying.

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Scary.

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Um, and dangerous.

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So the reason that the numbers that

just came out, the CDC just released

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one in 31 kids are being diagnosed

with autism that is not like this

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:

inflated number that they're trying

to be like, whoa, this is way bigger.

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:

Okay, in 2020 it was like one in 44.

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So it's not really that different.

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Um, but the reason that it is

one in 31 is because we have

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more access to more information.

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We have more access to evaluations.

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We are able to identify different

things that we're seeing in kids,

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and pediatricians are more aware.

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Developmental pediatricians are

more aware, teachers are more

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aware and parents are more aware.

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So it's being diagnosed and,

and the criteria is different

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than it was 20 years ago.

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To, you know, to be diagnosed with autism.

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So that's the real reason.

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The number is what you see it is.

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Um, and also adults are being diagnosed

more now than ever before because we

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didn't know before that all of these

things that we may experience in life

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could have, could be, because we're

autistic now we know, and we get evaluated

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as adults and we get the diagnosis.

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So there's the number.

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It's not an epidemic.

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It's not something to be

cured, it's a neurotype.

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It's the way our brain is built.

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If you wanna cure autism, then you

would literally have to, I guess.

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Remove the human being from society

because the, their brains are built

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differently than neurotypical brains.

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So there's thousands of neural pathways

that create an autistic brain that are

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different from a neurotypical brain.

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I could talk about this for a year.

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Literally.

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So, so

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:

Tony Tidbit: in other words, in other

words, it's not the water, it's not

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somebody drinking the water Exactly.

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:

Or eating a, a, a peach or, or

something of that nature that causes it.

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:

Alyssa Maglione: Food dies.

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Food dies, don't cause autism.

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Me taking Tylenol while I was pregnant

did not cause my child to be autistic.

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:

Listen, this comes with so much

more stigma than we already

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have, and we have so much.

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Do you know how hard we

advocate for our kids?

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The world is not built for them.

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The world is not kind to them.

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I, my son can't go to public school

because it is not safe for him to go

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there because he is an unreliable speaker.

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I can't send him somewhere that

people won't understand him.

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:

It, it's not built for him.

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So this is just creating

further stigmatization.

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This is creating further safety issues.

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Um, it, it's, it's the implication

that autistic people have absolutely

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:

nothing to give to the world.

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:

You know what their mere existence means?

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They belong here.

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They don't need to pay taxes.

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Do, let me, don't even get me start.

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Does Trump pay taxes?

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Get, stop the taxes.

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Can't write a poem my kid

could spell when he was two.

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Can't write a poem.

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:

Two, he, they can't play baseball.

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My child goes outside every

day and hits a ball with a bat.

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I'm, so, I don't What

do you want him to do?

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I, I don't understand like.

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The, the nonsense that is being spewed.

758

:

It's dangerous and it's dehumanizing

as both will and Mark said.

759

:

And you know what?

760

:

If you wanna do something about autism,

please stop trying to blame the parents.

761

:

It is genetic.

762

:

Autism is a genetic disability.

763

:

It is just a bunch of genes

that got all weird in there.

764

:

And that's how you end up autistic.

765

:

And it's not food dies, but you can

pretend that you're banning food dies,

766

:

even though there's nothing to ban.

767

:

And you can tell me that I took

something while I was pregnant, or I

768

:

guess the air isn't clean enough, which

you're making not clean enough again.

769

:

And that's why my kid's autistic.

770

:

I don't know.

771

:

You could do whatever you want, but

the reality is, is the only way to make

772

:

it so that everyone can exist in this

world, in this country, the way that

773

:

we are supposed to, the way that we are

granted those things when we are born

774

:

into this society, into this country.

775

:

Is we need to start making accommodations

for people who are neurodivergent.

776

:

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777

:

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778

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779

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780

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782

:

Alyssa Maglione: We need to

start making things accessible

783

:

to people who are neurodivergent.

784

:

There need to be protections

and disability rights in place.

785

:

We should.

786

:

The fact that those are

at risk now is terrifying.

787

:

I health, affordable healthcare,

affordable childcare,

788

:

these are things that like.

789

:

We should be teaching kids everywhere

about Neurodivergence so that they

790

:

are more accepting so that the

world is a safer place for them.

791

:

And then there's an

entire piece about this.

792

:

We have autistic kids.

793

:

My son is an autistic white boy.

794

:

Mm-hmm.

795

:

We aren't even talking about

the, the racism that goes on

796

:

in the autistic community.

797

:

I mean, look at what just happened to

the boy who just got shot and killed,

798

:

shot and then died in the, in the

hospital because he couldn't speak.

799

:

Right.

800

:

He couldn't speak because he's, he

has, he was autistic and mm-hmm.

801

:

I don't know that that would've

happened to a white kid.

802

:

But the fact is that

we can't discuss that.

803

:

'cause he was black.

804

:

And there is the, the, the way that autism

presents in black and brown children is

805

:

different than it is in white children.

806

:

And the healthcare

industry is very racist.

807

:

So now you have a whole other

sector, and we're just gonna, we're

808

:

not gonna talk about any of it.

809

:

We're just gonna talk

about how it's an epidemic.

810

:

By September.

811

:

By September we're gonna

figure out what it is.

812

:

And now we're gonna start

what detoxing the kids?

813

:

What, what do, what's your freaking plan?

814

:

I don't, so that's, I'm horrified.

815

:

But to say, but that's my

816

:

Tony Tidbit: No, no, no, no.

817

:

So you make a good point

because that's my next question.

818

:

I, I'll go to Will on this is,

so what was the reason for him?

819

:

Was this just a ooah

or is this a strategy?

820

:

Um, for him to, to put this out here.

821

:

Go ahead, will.

822

:

It

823

:

Will Fullwood: is definitely a

strategy, um, because this whole

824

:

narrative came about along with

the Q Anon stuff and mm-hmm.

825

:

It was part of maga like this, it, it all

goes hand in hand with all the conspiracy

826

:

theories that are out there that kind

of roped in a lot of Trump voters.

827

:

So it's definitely a strategy.

828

:

Um, I don't think that man has

any, uh, true fundamental beliefs.

829

:

You know, these people, they're, they,

they only believe in power, right?

830

:

So it's a power play.

831

:

Um, unfortunately it's the citizenry

that suffers as a result of that

832

:

power play, like Alyssa was saying,

um, are autistic, uh, Americans.

833

:

And that is, like I said, it's

just so devastating, you know?

834

:

Um, as a teacher, man, I've

seen so much potential.

835

:

People have tried to suppress Yeah.

836

:

And destroy.

837

:

And I've been very lucky and privileged

to be able to be in a position to

838

:

reinvigorate that potential and to get

people to see for themselves what their

839

:

own selves are capable of, you know?

840

:

And to just know that a public official,

like, um, like Kennedy here, who is

841

:

promoting this idea that people's

lives are meaningless, people's lives

842

:

are not worth, uh, living people.

843

:

He's never met people he doesn't know

in a country that's supposed to promote

844

:

life, liberty, and the pursuit of

happiness for everyone who lives here.

845

:

It just goes to show you that we truly

are in a constitutional crisis and we're

846

:

gonna have to fight for these, uh, ideals

that this country is, was meant to be

847

:

founded on, that we've never lived up to.

848

:

But like here, it's

rubber meets road time.

849

:

We have to protect these ideals

and we have to live by them.

850

:

We protect them by living them.

851

:

And so we have to make sure that we don't

allow people like RFK Junior to just

852

:

spout this stuff without any pushback.

853

:

We can't allow people to take people

and kidnap them from our neighborhoods

854

:

and ship them off to El Salvador.

855

:

We must do whatever we can to

stop these things from occurring.

856

:

And yes, it's gonna be a risky endeavor,

um, because this is a risky game that

857

:

they are playing, and we're playing it

because we're here and we live here.

858

:

So we have no choice.

859

:

And so ultimately, um, I want to

encourage everyone to not think of

860

:

themselves as being kind of controlled

or disempowered by this situation.

861

:

But once you make a choice to fight

back against fascism, to fight

862

:

back against anti-racism, to fight

back against the dehumanization of

863

:

autistic people, once you make those

choices and you start living that

864

:

way, you're gonna find yourself more

empowered than you ever were before.

865

:

So give it a try.

866

:

Chris P. Reed:

867

:

But, but will, let me ask you this, and I

know your platform on a country bandwagon

868

:

is about civility and about diversity, and

I took this as an attack, a further attack

869

:

on diversity because this is a subset of,

of, of our population that just so happens

870

:

to not think like these guys in power

or, or, you know, the other thing look

871

:

like we're not, we use diversity as black

and brown too fluidly, and that's silly.

872

:

Diversity means thought

economics, all these other things.

873

:

And in the idea of this being an attack

on a subset, you talked about fascism,

874

:

you talked about trying to exclude or,

or create a situation of division amongst

875

:

ourselves within our own families and

households and things of that nature.

876

:

What do you think the fear is there?

877

:

Because to me, this is another

DEI type of a sub attack.

878

:

Will Fullwood: It is, you know, and

ableism and racism go hand in hand, right?

879

:

I mean, like, they, they are parallel.

880

:

And so, yes.

881

:

I mean, I think that that is the

goal, but ultimately, um, it's

882

:

a double-edged sword for them.

883

:

Right.

884

:

It goes back to what I was saying

before and then, and Tony, I wanna

885

:

go back to what you said, which

is how we have all these different

886

:

things that we care about, right?

887

:

And like, how do they

coalesce into one movement?

888

:

How do we actually bring people together?

889

:

Well, I think the answer actually

ironically, lies in the Constitution

890

:

and the, you know, in those

founding documents, it's annoying.

891

:

Does anybody know

892

:

Tony Tidbit: that?

893

:

Did they read it?

894

:

You know, did they see

Schoolhouse Rock when I was a kid?

895

:

You know, I don't think they show that

896

:

Will Fullwood: everybody knows life,

liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

897

:

Everybody knows that.

898

:

Okay?

899

:

Mm-hmm.

900

:

Like, we don't really need to go

beyond that, because ultimately,

901

:

if you're talking about.

902

:

You know, euthanizing autistic

people, which you're basically

903

:

saying without saying it.

904

:

Yes.

905

:

You know, um, like then you are

making statements and implying things

906

:

that go directly against what this

country is supposed to be about.

907

:

If you wanna create a new kind of country

that's fascists, that is authoritarian

908

:

whereby, you know, you're eliminating

undesirables or like, you know, separating

909

:

the population, imprisoning people for

nothing, you know, criminalizing speech,

910

:

all the things that this regime is trying

to, to now do, then um, then you're gonna

911

:

get pushback from people who still believe

in, um, American democracy, who still

912

:

believe in free speech, who still believe

in allowing for a place that allows you

913

:

to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.

914

:

And I think that more and more

people are starting to feel

915

:

that pursuit being curtailed.

916

:

People who weren't feeling it before, you

know, I think having an autistic child.

917

:

Helps you see injustices that exist in

the world where sometimes you didn't,

918

:

you know, I have a, I have one of my

best friends, he has an autistic child

919

:

as well, and I've just seen her grow

up over time, over the years and the

920

:

struggles that she's been through and the

struggles that he's been through, trying

921

:

to reconcile his experience before he had

that child with America and his experience

922

:

after, it was impossible for him not

to recognize the injustices that were

923

:

popping up everywhere in relationship to

his daughter, who he loves dearly, right?

924

:

And so, um, we need to replicate

that situation for people who don't

925

:

necessarily have a family member or

a child or someone like that in their

926

:

life to have that same experience.

927

:

But that is an experience that

can be created artificially,

928

:

Tony Tidbit: right?

929

:

Will Fullwood: And that is something

that now I'm trying to do, um, with the

930

:

contraband wagon in the race context.

931

:

But we need to jump on these

situations where these officials

932

:

do this kind of tyrannical, uh,

narrative making and we need to.

933

:

Basically jump on that and

say, no, this is wrong.

934

:

This is why it's wrong.

935

:

Because it's in conflict with

the values that this country

936

:

is supposed to be upholding.

937

:

And you need to now make a choice whether

you wanna uphold those values or not.

938

:

And putting people to

that choice is the key.

939

:

I.

940

:

Right, because you can't let people

just sit back and, and, you know,

941

:

um, watch this like it's theater.

942

:

It's not theater, it's our lives.

943

:

No,

944

:

Tony Tidbit: right.

945

:

Well, you know, when you talk about

theater, you know, there was something

946

:

that happened that we thought, well, most

people thought was gonna be uplifting.

947

:

It was going to, you know,

make people feel a lot better.

948

:

But unfortunately it kind of didn't.

949

:

Behind the News: Blue origin's,

all female space flight has coped

950

:

a bit high profile criticism

since landing on Earth yesterday.

951

:

Here's to tender to launch

into the controversy.

952

:

Yeah, to some, this was a historic moment.

953

:

A bunch of successful women

showing the skies may limit, but

954

:

that's not how everyone sort.

955

:

I feel super connected to money.

956

:

Since the mission landed, the

controversy has blasted up with lots

957

:

of people saying this was nothing more

than an expensive publicity stunt.

958

:

Get the state of the world and think

about how many resources went into

959

:

putting these women into space for what?

960

:

As some pointed out space, tourists often

pay tens or even hundreds of thousands

961

:

of dollars for a ticket, a luxury

that's only available to a lucky few.

962

:

Others say there are women doing

real work in space exploration that

963

:

should be supported and celebrated.

964

:

There's no other female astronauts

that wanted to be a part of this that

965

:

are not billionaires and millionaires.

966

:

When I think of like feminism

and moving the needle for women,

967

:

I don't think about dressing up

like Space Barbie, but the crew

968

:

hit back on the criticism saying

the mission had actually helped to

969

:

inspire young women and draw attention

to the work being done behind the

970

:

scenes to make the journey happen.

971

:

I've had so many women and young

972

:

girls reach out to me, and men too,

by the way, men too, that say, wow, I

973

:

never thought I could do that, but I see

you doing it at this stage of my life.

974

:

Who would've thunk it?

975

:

Not me.

976

:

Tony Tidbit: So Mark.

977

:

Buddy, you know, you would think this

would be something that people would be

978

:

excited about or there was a symbolism in

terms of an all women's crew that went to

979

:

space, you know, something in inspiring

about it, but it didn't turn out that way.

980

:

So why do you think there

was a lot of pushback?

981

:

I mean, we heard some of it in the

clip, but what's your thoughts?

982

:

My brother?

983

:

Mm-hmm.

984

:

Mark Jamison: Yeah.

985

:

Uh, I'm also an educator will,

and something I teach my students

986

:

is context, shapes, content.

987

:

Right?

988

:

It wasn't the fact that women

went to space, that's the problem.

989

:

Right.

990

:

The fact is that you actively

chose wealthy people who already

991

:

right now are not in the best

light for people in the country.

992

:

And like while yes, individuals

can be inspired about folks

993

:

going to space, that's awesome.

994

:

I love space.

995

:

I'm surrounded by people who love

space, but we can't get there.

996

:

Right.

997

:

Um, this doesn't look at the 33%

of women who work at na, nasa.

998

:

What about them?

999

:

You couldn't pick six of them.

:

00:51:03,015 --> 00:51:07,125

4, 5, 6 of them to go to space

that they can do the research.

:

00:51:07,335 --> 00:51:08,625

What research was done?

:

00:51:08,625 --> 00:51:12,254

How did you further the

work of access to space?

:

00:51:12,254 --> 00:51:16,125

Because all you did was say, I have

a few hundred thousand dollars.

:

00:51:16,125 --> 00:51:19,004

Let me see if I can get on

this plane, on this ship.

:

00:51:19,095 --> 00:51:20,444

Tony Tidbit: I think that was, I

think it was a little more than that.

:

00:51:21,194 --> 00:51:21,555

Mark Jamison: Right?

:

00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:21,759

Right.

:

00:51:21,975 --> 00:51:22,634

Exactly.

:

00:51:22,845 --> 00:51:27,615

So, you know, it, you know,

commercialization of space is inevitable.

:

00:51:27,645 --> 00:51:29,595

We know this is going to come.

:

00:51:29,984 --> 00:51:31,904

Access is what we're talking about.

:

00:51:31,904 --> 00:51:35,234

And right now it's, it's tone deaf.

:

00:51:35,265 --> 00:51:40,575

Not to consider the fact that celebrating

wealthy people going to space and

:

00:51:40,575 --> 00:51:45,225

masking it as feminism and masking it

as pro-women, versus thinking about

:

00:51:45,225 --> 00:51:47,024

it as this is just pro capitalism.

:

00:51:47,055 --> 00:51:50,984

This is just pro, this

is pro, uh, blue origin.

:

00:51:51,495 --> 00:51:51,975

Right.

:

00:51:51,975 --> 00:51:52,575

Mm-hmm.

:

00:51:52,815 --> 00:51:56,205

I, I, there's just no other way to

say it because you don't, it's not

:

00:51:56,205 --> 00:52:00,045

diminishing their credentials, but

their credentials literally was

:

00:52:00,045 --> 00:52:02,055

just being in space for 10 minutes.

:

00:52:02,055 --> 00:52:02,145

Right.

:

00:52:02,505 --> 00:52:03,645

You didn't do research.

:

00:52:03,645 --> 00:52:05,385

You didn't, you didn't put in the work.

:

00:52:05,625 --> 00:52:09,705

Let's talk about all the women

who were the computers for nasa.

:

00:52:10,125 --> 00:52:15,010

Don't you think that, you know, may,

may, JA di, she went to space, right?

:

00:52:15,015 --> 00:52:18,795

We can sell, we have landmarks

of women going to space.

:

00:52:18,795 --> 00:52:25,125

What we need is how do we elevate women

who do the work, who do the things No

:

00:52:25,125 --> 00:52:26,805

man would be in space without a woman.

:

00:52:26,860 --> 00:52:27,210

Tony Tidbit: Right?

:

00:52:27,285 --> 00:52:27,675

Right,

:

00:52:27,735 --> 00:52:27,915

Mark Jamison: right.

:

00:52:27,915 --> 00:52:30,825

You could take that wherever,

wherever you wanna take that.

:

00:52:30,825 --> 00:52:32,805

But no man will be in

space without a woman.

:

00:52:33,225 --> 00:52:33,495

Right.

:

00:52:33,525 --> 00:52:37,425

And I think we have to bring back

that it's tone deaf right now.

:

00:52:37,695 --> 00:52:37,755

Yeah.

:

00:52:37,785 --> 00:52:43,125

That you're going to celebrate,

that people can aspire to.

:

00:52:43,425 --> 00:52:45,735

People are, can't aspire to

having millions of dollars.

:

00:52:45,765 --> 00:52:47,955

We can barely aspire to

buy a home right now.

:

00:52:48,405 --> 00:52:54,045

And to say that this is a breakthrough

when it was a paid ticket and not a,

:

00:52:54,465 --> 00:52:58,365

not something that they're saying,

Hey, we want to bring people up to

:

00:52:58,365 --> 00:53:00,465

space to show that it's accessible.

:

00:53:00,645 --> 00:53:02,295

You didn't show accessibility, right.

:

00:53:02,505 --> 00:53:04,635

You show denial of accessibility.

:

00:53:05,145 --> 00:53:06,885

Tony Tidbit: Well, let me, let

me, let me throw this, let me,

:

00:53:06,945 --> 00:53:08,025

let me push back a little bit.

:

00:53:08,025 --> 00:53:09,615

So I definitely hear that, right?

:

00:53:09,615 --> 00:53:14,325

And, and, and everything you said

makes total sense, but Alyssa, they,

:

00:53:14,355 --> 00:53:16,515

they were, they were all women, okay?

:

00:53:16,515 --> 00:53:19,935

They could have threw six billionaires,

billionaire men, and they could

:

00:53:19,935 --> 00:53:21,165

have been all white, right?

:

00:53:21,170 --> 00:53:21,210

Mm-hmm.

:

00:53:21,295 --> 00:53:22,395

To be fair, right?

:

00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:22,450

Mm-hmm.

:

00:53:22,530 --> 00:53:26,055

So they did pick, and, and, and

to be fair, I think the majority

:

00:53:26,055 --> 00:53:27,015

of 'em were women of color.

:

00:53:27,465 --> 00:53:28,065

Okay?

:

00:53:28,305 --> 00:53:29,535

So, you know.

:

00:53:29,830 --> 00:53:32,380

At the end of the day, Mark's

a hundred percent, right?

:

00:53:32,380 --> 00:53:34,660

They could have took six women outta nasa.

:

00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:38,620

They could have did all that, but would

they got the publicity in doing that?

:

00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:39,370

Probably not.

:

00:53:39,850 --> 00:53:43,299

All right, so don't, do

you see this as being it?

:

00:53:43,299 --> 00:53:47,980

Maybe people are going a little bit

over the top because they're rich

:

00:53:48,070 --> 00:53:52,660

versus that they were women and

it, it, it was a significant thing.

:

00:53:52,660 --> 00:53:53,560

What's your thoughts on that?

:

00:53:54,450 --> 00:53:56,610

Alyssa Maglione: I think

people are annoyed.

:

00:53:57,870 --> 00:54:01,500

Um, one, because of what Mark said,

it's just so, it's so tone deaf, like,

:

00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:06,240

like with everything going on in this

country right now, but here, here's why.

:

00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:10,440

I really think women

specifically are annoyed by this.

:

00:54:10,740 --> 00:54:13,440

I'm gonna speak for

women right now if I can.

:

00:54:14,580 --> 00:54:19,680

It became this strange thing

in interviews prior to the, um,

:

00:54:19,740 --> 00:54:22,140

let's call it, um, an expedition.

:

00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,340

It was, it became this strange thing that

all they wanted to talk about, these six

:

00:54:26,340 --> 00:54:31,890

women, specifically Katie Perry, which

was let's, she was, the face of this,

:

00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:37,740

was that she was gonna take her full glam

team with her, and she's, I'm quoting her.

:

00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:41,310

If I could take my glam team

up into space with me, I would.

:

00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:47,880

And they had special space suits designed

for this mission because Ka Perry said

:

00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,830

she didn't wanna be in anything frumpy.

:

00:54:50,670 --> 00:54:53,430

So now we're addressing,

she wanted it to be sexy.

:

00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:55,110

I'm quoting these are quotes.

:

00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:55,290

Mm-hmm.

:

00:54:55,529 --> 00:54:58,230

So, of course, paraphrase, which

isn't a quote, but whatever.

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00:54:58,350 --> 00:55:04,380

So she, she made these statements

in multiple interviews and it

:

00:55:04,380 --> 00:55:08,009

became this like, uh, spectacle.

:

00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,940

We're gonna be full glam,

we're gonna wear these.

:

00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:12,330

Cool.

:

00:55:12,330 --> 00:55:16,380

As the clips said, Barbie

spacesuits, it became a joke.

:

00:55:16,380 --> 00:55:17,250

Like, that's a joke.

:

00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:18,210

Like it does.

:

00:55:18,210 --> 00:55:24,840

It completely, it, it, it, it downplays

majorly ever all the work of all the

:

00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:32,130

women who fought like hell to be able to

work for nasa, nevermind, go into space.

:

00:55:32,130 --> 00:55:33,720

Like, I can't even touch that.

:

00:55:33,930 --> 00:55:36,810

So they go up for what?

:

00:55:36,810 --> 00:55:39,330

The whole thing was like, what,

seven or eight minutes, up and down.

:

00:55:40,035 --> 00:55:43,005

And she's singing Katy

Perry's singing up there.

:

00:55:43,005 --> 00:55:43,965

What a wonderful world.

:

00:55:43,965 --> 00:55:47,265

They get off of the, the, the

fricking spacecraft thing.

:

00:55:47,535 --> 00:55:52,184

And then there's this whole other

publicity stunt with Jeff Bezos.

:

00:55:52,245 --> 00:55:55,065

He's whose fiance is on the flight.

:

00:55:55,665 --> 00:55:56,805

It's so ridiculous.

:

00:55:56,865 --> 00:55:57,525

What does she do?

:

00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:00,135

Tony Tidbit: What does she,

what is she famous for?

:

00:56:00,225 --> 00:56:01,010

What is she famous for?

:

00:56:01,275 --> 00:56:02,655

Alyssa Maglione: Did he pay for her seat?

:

00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:05,145

Did she pay for it?

:

00:56:05,205 --> 00:56:06,165

Like right there?

:

00:56:06,165 --> 00:56:10,425

Like all of a sudden we went from six

women to Jeff Bezos fiances on the flight.

:

00:56:10,635 --> 00:56:11,085

Okay.

:

00:56:11,205 --> 00:56:11,925

They get off.

:

00:56:12,525 --> 00:56:13,605

This is absurd.

:

00:56:13,635 --> 00:56:19,005

And listen, and, and her defense,

she did have some type of journalism

:

00:56:19,005 --> 00:56:21,855

career, I think, or whatever,

but either way, not a good look.

:

00:56:22,095 --> 00:56:25,845

So then they try to, then they're

doing weird things after they land

:

00:56:25,845 --> 00:56:29,475

that Jeff Bezos is like opening

the door to let the women out as if

:

00:56:29,475 --> 00:56:31,065

they can't open the door themselves.

:

00:56:31,065 --> 00:56:32,535

And that became a whole thing.

:

00:56:32,805 --> 00:56:34,515

And then they're kissing the ground.

:

00:56:34,935 --> 00:56:38,745

When they get off the thing,

like, what are you doing?

:

00:56:38,955 --> 00:56:42,044

Klo Kardashian and

Chris Jenner were there.

:

00:56:42,314 --> 00:56:51,285

Being commentators, it's a, it be like, I,

I, the to tone deaf is an understatement.

:

00:56:51,285 --> 00:56:54,944

I, if I could say what I really

wanted to say about this, I would.

:

00:56:55,424 --> 00:56:57,615

Um, but I can't because

it's disrespectful.

:

00:56:57,615 --> 00:57:01,185

So tone deaf for sure, because of

everything going on and all the issues.

:

00:57:01,455 --> 00:57:03,734

Here's where I think we

could have done better.

:

00:57:04,305 --> 00:57:08,564

I'm, I love the idea of

getting women into space.

:

00:57:09,015 --> 00:57:10,964

I don't think it needed

to be these six women.

:

00:57:11,355 --> 00:57:15,944

They wanna pay for their, I I

heard figures of $50 million were

:

00:57:15,944 --> 00:57:19,125

spent was spent, I don't know

if that was per seat or total.

:

00:57:20,115 --> 00:57:23,835

You wanna spend your own

money that you earned.

:

00:57:24,134 --> 00:57:27,314

I mean, with the exception of Lauren

Sanchez, I don't know the situation there.

:

00:57:27,555 --> 00:57:33,165

So you spend that money, why

did you not then match that?

:

00:57:34,395 --> 00:57:36,345

Donate that.

:

00:57:36,345 --> 00:57:40,215

Say it, say, say Ka Perry spent

$50 million to go up and down

:

00:57:40,215 --> 00:57:42,975

eight minutes and sing a song

and then glam and all this stuff.

:

00:57:43,425 --> 00:57:43,515

Mm-hmm.

:

00:57:43,815 --> 00:57:49,485

Why didn't you take $50 million and match

it and donate to, I don't you, let me,

:

00:57:49,515 --> 00:57:52,785

let me throw them All the things that

at you that you could possibly donate

:

00:57:52,785 --> 00:57:57,255

to like maybe 50 million of your dollars

should have gone to the legal aid for all

:

00:57:57,255 --> 00:58:01,485

of these people who are being illegally,

illegally imprisoned, all these immigrants

:

00:58:01,485 --> 00:58:05,805

who are being illegally imprisoned and,

and detained and sent back to countries.

:

00:58:05,865 --> 00:58:11,145

How about you donate some, some of

that, match that then, then maybe

:

00:58:11,205 --> 00:58:14,385

you wouldn't look so tone deaf and

maybe people wouldn't be attacking

:

00:58:14,385 --> 00:58:15,885

the crap outta you right now.

:

00:58:16,035 --> 00:58:20,055

How they haven't like, and

then Gail King's up on, on CBS

:

00:58:20,055 --> 00:58:21,405

every day defending herself.

:

00:58:21,405 --> 00:58:24,735

Like, I don't know how you sit.

:

00:58:24,735 --> 00:58:24,795

I.

:

00:58:24,795 --> 00:58:29,745

And, and and defend the, the

spectacle that you just made

:

00:58:30,225 --> 00:58:32,805

of, of yourself, of women.

:

00:58:32,955 --> 00:58:37,785

It turned very, if this were four years

ago, three years ago, whatever, I don't

:

00:58:37,785 --> 00:58:39,105

think we'd be having this conversation.

:

00:58:39,884 --> 00:58:42,075

But the reality is, is

it's not three years ago.

:

00:58:42,075 --> 00:58:43,125

It's, it's now.

:

00:58:43,634 --> 00:58:46,515

And right now we have a lot of problems.

:

00:58:46,665 --> 00:58:48,435

Like a lot of problems.

:

00:58:48,495 --> 00:58:55,185

And you should not be talking about how

you designed, you used money, I don't

:

00:58:55,185 --> 00:59:00,435

even know whose money they used to design

the sexy spacesuits and to go up and

:

00:59:00,435 --> 00:59:04,275

down and sing a song and kiss the ground

and you're like, I did it 'cause my

:

00:59:04,275 --> 00:59:06,285

daughter can see anything as possible.

:

00:59:06,525 --> 00:59:07,515

Stop it.

:

00:59:07,995 --> 00:59:08,924

Stop it.

:

00:59:09,254 --> 00:59:10,904

You sound ridiculous.

:

00:59:11,115 --> 00:59:14,234

People already kind of thought some

of those women were kind of a joke.

:

00:59:14,234 --> 00:59:18,555

Now we really have gone off the deep

end and I just think it could have,

:

00:59:18,555 --> 00:59:23,115

it could have been the it tone maybe

shouldn't have happened, but if.

:

00:59:23,490 --> 00:59:26,130

They should have thought about,

wow, this isn't the greatest

:

00:59:26,130 --> 00:59:27,930

time in American history.

:

00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,400

What can we do?

:

00:59:29,970 --> 00:59:34,860

Not because we're women and it

looks like we have to do extra,

:

00:59:34,980 --> 00:59:37,590

but because it doesn't, like

right now, sending celebrities

:

00:59:37,590 --> 00:59:39,240

into space doesn't look so great.

:

00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:45,390

So what can we do to say we're gonna

make this mission about the American

:

00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:52,590

people and show little girls everywhere

that you can go up to space and you can

:

00:59:52,590 --> 00:59:59,010

affect change, and by, in their case, by

donating their tons of money they have.

:

00:59:59,460 --> 01:00:00,240

So I just, right.

:

01:00:00,330 --> 01:00:00,631

Let, let me,

:

01:00:00,636 --> 01:00:00,637

Chris P. Reed:

:

01:00:00,637 --> 01:00:00,900

let, let's

:

01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:01,860

Alyssa Maglione: wild.

:

01:00:02,580 --> 01:00:02,581

Chris P. Reed:

:

01:00:02,581 --> 01:00:03,270

Let me ask you this.

:

01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:07,290

Will, what if, let's just expand

our, our perspective here.

:

01:00:07,380 --> 01:00:12,360

What if this was the, the most

effective commercial for elitism?

:

01:00:12,884 --> 01:00:17,145

That we've seen or been have had

access to, and that this is actually

:

01:00:17,415 --> 01:00:21,255

ENT economics being played out to

where red bottoms and urban bands,

:

01:00:21,315 --> 01:00:25,005

$20,000 purses and things like

me, I don't live in that world.

:

01:00:25,005 --> 01:00:29,145

So all of that stuff seems gaudy

and audacious and unnecessary,

:

01:00:29,145 --> 01:00:30,765

and I can always talk about what.

:

01:00:31,110 --> 01:00:33,570

Wealthier people than I

could do with their money.

:

01:00:33,570 --> 01:00:36,060

Just like people way poorer

than you and I Correct.

:

01:00:36,060 --> 01:00:39,215

Can talk about why do you have a

room that nobody sleeps in, right?

:

01:00:39,690 --> 01:00:42,299

Like let's just be, let's

be candid here, right?

:

01:00:42,509 --> 01:00:46,259

So in the idea of rich people doing

rich things, we just happened to have a

:

01:00:46,259 --> 01:00:50,910

look behind the curtain of the elitist

playground, and this was just a, a

:

01:00:50,910 --> 01:00:55,830

commercial for Jeff Bezos to cater

to wealthy people who have earned,

:

01:00:56,430 --> 01:01:00,330

earned their money and can do whatever

the hell, based on the constitution

:

01:01:00,330 --> 01:01:02,279

you spoke of, that they want to with.

:

01:01:02,279 --> 01:01:02,460

It

:

01:01:02,670 --> 01:01:04,980

Tony Tidbit: ain't the first time,

won't be the last time rich people

:

01:01:04,980 --> 01:01:08,490

throw money out and do the thing

and flaunt it in front of people.

:

01:01:08,490 --> 01:01:11,654

I mean, you seeing that

sitting seen, we seen that

:

01:01:11,660 --> 01:01:13,350

Alyssa Maglione: with our

president and his little pony.

:

01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,710

Tony Tidbit: I mean, we've

place seen, but we've seen it

:

01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:18,420

since the world's been turning.

:

01:01:18,660 --> 01:01:19,020

Absolutely.

:

01:01:19,020 --> 01:01:19,380

Okay.

:

01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:22,170

I that why you think Maria

Antoinette got their head cut off?

:

01:01:22,620 --> 01:01:22,920

Absolutely.

:

01:01:22,924 --> 01:01:23,055

Okay.

:

01:01:23,060 --> 01:01:23,220

Absolutely.

:

01:01:23,820 --> 01:01:27,390

Bastille Day in France because

they were flaunting all right,

:

01:01:27,390 --> 01:01:28,620

where people were starving.

:

01:01:28,620 --> 01:01:29,520

So there's nothing new.

:

01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:30,240

Go ahead Will.

:

01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:31,110

Will Fullwood: That's true.

:

01:01:31,140 --> 01:01:31,350

Yeah.

:

01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,380

I mean, I, I think you're

exactly right about the elitism.

:

01:01:34,380 --> 01:01:37,560

Like that was an exercise in

entitlement and arrogance.

:

01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:39,270

That's exactly what that was a flick.

:

01:01:39,509 --> 01:01:43,140

And, um, you know, it's, it's just

:

01:01:45,150 --> 01:01:48,870

people get to a certain level of

wealth, it seems to me, and they

:

01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:52,980

seem to think that people should

then emulate them because they

:

01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:54,450

achieved a certain level of wealth.

:

01:01:55,235 --> 01:02:00,005

I don't know where that comes from,

where, how the logic works, but I

:

01:02:00,005 --> 01:02:03,215

guess people just believe that if they

made a lot of money, it must mean that

:

01:02:03,365 --> 01:02:05,735

everyone should do what they did somehow.

:

01:02:05,735 --> 01:02:08,194

That is, uh, a, a thing out there.

:

01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:08,299

But,

:

01:02:08,404 --> 01:02:10,955

Tony Tidbit: but here, here's the thing

though, will, not to just, just jump in

:

01:02:10,955 --> 01:02:14,105

real quick and I'll let you finish, buddy,

but we live in a capitalist society.

:

01:02:14,525 --> 01:02:17,944

When you live in a capitalist society

and it's about making money, and

:

01:02:17,944 --> 01:02:21,305

especially, let's be fair, the majority

of those people came from nothing.

:

01:02:21,694 --> 01:02:21,935

Okay?

:

01:02:21,935 --> 01:02:22,565

Let's be fair.

:

01:02:22,995 --> 01:02:23,535

All right.

:

01:02:23,535 --> 01:02:26,175

Gail King didn't grow up with a,

with a silver spoon in her mouth.

:

01:02:26,445 --> 01:02:30,285

You know, I, I, Katie Perry, I don't

know her background outside of Sanchez.

:

01:02:30,645 --> 01:02:31,965

You know, most of them came from nothing.

:

01:02:31,965 --> 01:02:32,325

Right.

:

01:02:32,355 --> 01:02:35,205

So it is part, you know,

it is part of what we do.

:

01:02:35,265 --> 01:02:39,315

And I'm not saying everybody, but

some people do say, I made it right.

:

01:02:39,315 --> 01:02:42,615

I'm able to, you know, I was

sitting on the front porch, drinking

:

01:02:42,615 --> 01:02:44,235

out of a mustard jar, all right.

:

01:02:44,235 --> 01:02:46,605

When I was a kid or getting

water from the waterholes.

:

01:02:46,785 --> 01:02:51,435

Now I built something and I'm going to

space with a bunch of other rich people.

:

01:02:52,005 --> 01:02:52,965

I made it right.

:

01:02:52,965 --> 01:02:57,675

And so I, I, I, I'm just thinking

that sometimes we push, but

:

01:02:57,675 --> 01:02:59,685

we over rotate on some stuff.

:

01:03:00,405 --> 01:03:04,425

Could that money gone somewhere

else to help autism or Absolutely.

:

01:03:04,545 --> 01:03:06,405

Could it help some people in Africa?

:

01:03:06,570 --> 01:03:07,440

Absolutely.

:

01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:09,330

Could it help people here

in the United States?

:

01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:10,440

Absolutely.

:

01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:12,720

But that ain't gonna be,

that ain't the first time.

:

01:03:12,750 --> 01:03:16,380

Will it be the last time that

we'll see people who make money.

:

01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:17,040

All right.

:

01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,050

Especially people who

grew up with nothing.

:

01:03:19,860 --> 01:03:20,340

Okay.

:

01:03:20,425 --> 01:03:23,130

I remember I was in the army, we

said that was one of our sayings.

:

01:03:23,130 --> 01:03:25,770

We could always tell when somebody

didn't have nothing because when they

:

01:03:25,770 --> 01:03:31,080

first got a new couch, they didn't want

you to sit on it plastic on the sofa.

:

01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:32,400

Right.

:

01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:32,610

That's true.

:

01:03:32,610 --> 01:03:34,650

Because they never had nothing before.

:

01:03:34,650 --> 01:03:34,980

Right.

:

01:03:34,980 --> 01:03:38,340

So you could tell So, so again, I

didn't mean to cut you off, but I'm

:

01:03:38,340 --> 01:03:40,290

just, that's my point of view on it.

:

01:03:40,290 --> 01:03:45,570

To be fair, I get the, it's tone deaf

or whatever, so, and that's fair too.

:

01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,160

But this shit ain't nothing.

:

01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:48,900

New thoughts.

:

01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,810

Will Fullwood: Listen Tony, I don't care

what people do with their money at all.

:

01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:52,650

Like it, I'm.

:

01:03:52,970 --> 01:03:54,770

Happy that they went up into space.

:

01:03:54,830 --> 01:03:55,790

That's great for them.

:

01:03:55,850 --> 01:03:59,779

You know, like for instance, I spent

$2,000 on a three Michelin star dinner.

:

01:04:00,140 --> 01:04:00,500

Okay.

:

01:04:00,830 --> 01:04:03,649

I've never spent, I've thought,

yeah, I've never spent that

:

01:04:03,649 --> 01:04:05,060

much money on dinner before.

:

01:04:05,060 --> 01:04:06,680

I did that because it

was a special occasion.

:

01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:07,759

I wanted that experience.

:

01:04:07,759 --> 01:04:10,700

I could afford it, and it

was a special occasion.

:

01:04:10,759 --> 01:04:11,959

So I splurged on it.

:

01:04:11,959 --> 01:04:12,290

Right?

:

01:04:12,589 --> 01:04:13,009

But then.

:

01:04:13,665 --> 01:04:16,305

Did I, after the fact go on a press tour.

:

01:04:16,335 --> 01:04:21,165

Here we are to tell people that I did this

meant to because I wanted to show other

:

01:04:21,165 --> 01:04:24,069

black boys and then thank them one day.

:

01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:24,629

That's point.

:

01:04:26,205 --> 01:04:26,774

That's fair.

:

01:04:26,984 --> 01:04:27,705

Tony Tidbit: That's fair.

:

01:04:27,825 --> 01:04:28,455

That's fair.

:

01:04:28,770 --> 01:04:29,350

That's the

:

01:04:29,350 --> 01:04:29,549

Will Fullwood: problem.

:

01:04:29,970 --> 01:04:34,544

That's that's they should live their rich

lives and that's perfectly fine for them.

:

01:04:34,785 --> 01:04:38,384

But once they start believing that they

know what's best for the rest of us.

:

01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:38,509

Mm-hmm.

:

01:04:38,589 --> 01:04:39,230

That's a good point.

:

01:04:39,859 --> 01:04:40,430

That is the problem.

:

01:04:40,569 --> 01:04:41,589

The issue, that's right.

:

01:04:41,850 --> 01:04:45,015

Alyssa Maglione: It public, the way

that it was publicized, the way that

:

01:04:45,015 --> 01:04:46,575

they were pushing it in everyone's face.

:

01:04:46,575 --> 01:04:47,565

This is a big deal.

:

01:04:47,714 --> 01:04:48,615

This is a big deal.

:

01:04:48,615 --> 01:04:49,665

'cause it's all women.

:

01:04:49,904 --> 01:04:50,355

Women.

:

01:04:50,685 --> 01:04:54,149

Girl power girl P like stop

it, go off, spend your money.

:

01:04:54,149 --> 01:04:54,353

It's a deal for

:

01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:54,710

Tony Tidbit: dad.

:

01:04:55,250 --> 01:04:55,549

Alyssa Maglione: Not right.

:

01:04:55,569 --> 01:04:56,444

Not for the country.

:

01:04:56,444 --> 01:04:57,044

That's right.

:

01:04:57,585 --> 01:04:57,975

Tony Tidbit: That's right.

:

01:04:57,975 --> 01:04:58,694

So that's a good point.

:

01:04:58,785 --> 01:04:59,145

Okay.

:

01:04:59,145 --> 01:05:01,185

See that's why we have these

different perspectives.

:

01:05:01,335 --> 01:05:01,785

Absolutely.

:

01:05:02,115 --> 01:05:02,475

That's an T point.

:

01:05:02,745 --> 01:05:03,464

Excellent point.

:

01:05:03,884 --> 01:05:04,154

Absolutely.

:

01:05:04,154 --> 01:05:05,294

And I'm show you took your

:

01:05:05,294 --> 01:05:05,296

Chris P. Reed:

:

01:05:05,296 --> 01:05:06,524

leftovers to the soup kitchen.

:

01:05:06,565 --> 01:05:08,370

And so other people took,

:

01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,490

Will Fullwood: they gave us breakfast

the next day, brother they sent

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01:05:11,490 --> 01:05:14,690

us away with for tomorrow, right?

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So, hey, hey.

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So,

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01:05:15,955 --> 01:05:18,055

Tony Tidbit: so final thoughts, guys.

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01:05:18,055 --> 01:05:18,565

Final thoughts.

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This is a lot of fun.

:

01:05:19,525 --> 01:05:21,505

Mark, what do you wanna

leave the audience?

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01:05:21,505 --> 01:05:21,955

My brother?

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Mm-hmm.

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01:05:23,035 --> 01:05:23,545

Mark Jamison: Yeah.

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Context shaped content.

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01:05:25,495 --> 01:05:27,115

All of this is about optics.

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01:05:27,145 --> 01:05:29,965

Optics matter, whether you're

protesting, whether you're Gayle

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01:05:29,965 --> 01:05:35,154

King, or whether you know you're

going to be seen by people, right?

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01:05:35,185 --> 01:05:38,695

So use that platform for the

best thing to make progress.

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01:05:38,695 --> 01:05:40,345

So that's, that's what I

wanna leave folks with.

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01:05:41,995 --> 01:05:42,505

Awesome.

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Alyssa?

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Alyssa Maglione: Um, yeah, I love that.

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01:05:45,745 --> 01:05:48,505

I love, I love the, what you're saying.

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It it, I think for me.

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Um, it's, it's just a, a lot right now.

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01:05:55,500 --> 01:05:58,860

And yes, this is the, they

designed it to be this way, right?

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01:05:58,860 --> 01:06:01,950

Like create chaos, overwhelm everyone.

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01:06:02,279 --> 01:06:04,080

We can't focus on anything now.

:

01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,110

We're all anxious and now we're kind

of stuck in that anxious place of

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01:06:07,110 --> 01:06:09,180

our heads that we can't take action.

:

01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,310

That's the point it's been done.

:

01:06:11,310 --> 01:06:14,910

Tony, like you said, like with

the, the, the space thing.

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01:06:15,450 --> 01:06:16,860

This is not new.

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01:06:17,010 --> 01:06:18,510

This is not a new thing.

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01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:24,600

Like we, I mean, some of the discussion

today, I am thinking, is it:

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01:06:25,260 --> 01:06:27,180

Like that's what we're talking here.

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01:06:27,570 --> 01:06:31,830

And if people don't see it, then I

don't know how to make them see it.

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01:06:32,279 --> 01:06:37,980

Because through the chaos and through

the overwhelm, the reality is is that

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01:06:38,430 --> 01:06:43,740

we have to do something because we

can't allow history to repeat itself.

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01:06:44,279 --> 01:06:48,325

And if you are starting to

talk about trying to eliminate.

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01:06:49,515 --> 01:06:55,845

Disabled people because they can't

contribute to a society, I guess

:

01:06:55,845 --> 01:07:00,645

monetarily that's very similar to

what was done in the Holocaust.

:

01:07:00,795 --> 01:07:05,685

It was like, it wasn't just Jewish

people who were, um, annihilated.

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01:07:05,715 --> 01:07:10,725

It was also disabled people

and basically anyone who wasn't

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01:07:12,045 --> 01:07:14,265

white, for lack of a better word.

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01:07:14,265 --> 01:07:14,820

Area and race.

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01:07:14,850 --> 01:07:15,140

Area.

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01:07:15,140 --> 01:07:15,300

And race.

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Yeah.

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01:07:15,650 --> 01:07:16,140

Area and race.

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01:07:16,605 --> 01:07:20,505

And, um, we cannot allow

history, repeat ourselves.

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01:07:20,505 --> 01:07:25,154

It's very difficult though, to

figure out how to take action.

:

01:07:25,154 --> 01:07:28,425

I think that's what we basically

have all been saying, but

:

01:07:30,134 --> 01:07:32,055

little tiny things matter.

:

01:07:32,085 --> 01:07:36,404

So like for me, with the this

autism stuff that's really,

:

01:07:36,404 --> 01:07:37,935

I've been like, this is crazy.

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01:07:37,935 --> 01:07:38,475

This is crazy.

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01:07:38,475 --> 01:07:38,895

This is crazy.

:

01:07:38,895 --> 01:07:43,425

But when, when now when I feel

like, oh wow, I can't keep quiet

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01:07:43,425 --> 01:07:47,270

anymore despite how overwhelmed

I am now I'm taking action.

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01:07:47,770 --> 01:07:47,990

So.

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01:07:48,675 --> 01:07:51,375

Everyone should do that because

every single thing that's going on

:

01:07:51,375 --> 01:07:52,875

is affecting every single one of us.

:

01:07:52,875 --> 01:07:58,755

So little tiny things that you do, whether

it be a post on social media or a call

:

01:07:58,755 --> 01:08:00,675

to your representative, there's scripts.

:

01:08:00,675 --> 01:08:03,195

You don't have to make efforts

like you can write, read a script.

:

01:08:03,615 --> 01:08:08,295

Um, just saying something to

someone next to you, like any

:

01:08:08,295 --> 01:08:10,185

little thing moves the needle.

:

01:08:10,995 --> 01:08:12,885

And you don't have to make huge steps.

:

01:08:12,885 --> 01:08:14,205

You don't have to get out and pick it.

:

01:08:14,475 --> 01:08:19,215

Just little things mo, because just by

posting on social media, which I never

:

01:08:19,215 --> 01:08:23,955

do about my son, opened up people's

eyes who were like, first of all, I

:

01:08:23,955 --> 01:08:25,095

didn't know you had an autistic kid.

:

01:08:25,095 --> 01:08:29,564

Secondly, oh wow, I didn't realize

like how much this is affecting you

:

01:08:29,745 --> 01:08:32,234

personally, and I care about you.

:

01:08:32,295 --> 01:08:35,325

So now I wanna learn more because

I don't want you to feel this way.

:

01:08:35,325 --> 01:08:36,524

So these are little things, right?

:

01:08:36,555 --> 01:08:44,234

So little steps of action lead to big

movements, and we need to fight back.

:

01:08:44,325 --> 01:08:46,245

We have to do something.

:

01:08:46,425 --> 01:08:47,835

This is chaos.

:

01:08:48,615 --> 01:08:52,904

We can somehow reel in, I think.

:

01:08:54,135 --> 01:08:54,675

Tony Tidbit: Awesome.

:

01:08:55,005 --> 01:08:55,875

Will close this out.

:

01:08:55,875 --> 01:08:56,325

My brother.

:

01:08:57,434 --> 01:08:57,943

Will Fullwood: Yeah.

:

01:08:57,975 --> 01:09:00,104

I just wanna say thank you to

everyone for your insightful

:

01:09:00,104 --> 01:09:01,425

comments and your perspectives.

:

01:09:01,425 --> 01:09:06,943

And I wanna say that everyone needs

to do what they can to hold onto hope.

:

01:09:06,975 --> 01:09:07,425

Okay.

:

01:09:07,693 --> 01:09:11,354

There is a lot of reason to

be hopeful despite the chaos

:

01:09:11,354 --> 01:09:12,585

that's going on around us.

:

01:09:13,095 --> 01:09:20,085

Um, while a lot of this stuff may not

be new, kind of the context surrounding

:

01:09:20,085 --> 01:09:26,325

it is new, like is novel in fact,

not just new, but like this is like

:

01:09:26,354 --> 01:09:30,585

once the, the first time in humanity

that we've been connected in this way

:

01:09:30,585 --> 01:09:32,475

while something like this is going on.

:

01:09:33,015 --> 01:09:37,814

So it gives us an opportunity to fight

back in a way that we've never had before.

:

01:09:37,814 --> 01:09:41,475

And I want people to hold onto that

as hope like the five of us being

:

01:09:41,475 --> 01:09:42,885

here, having this conversation.

:

01:09:43,245 --> 01:09:46,005

That is novel, that is brand spanking new.

:

01:09:46,484 --> 01:09:51,075

And that is way more powerful than

people I think understand yet.

:

01:09:51,135 --> 01:09:54,075

And we're going to figure out

how powerful it is in the future.

:

01:09:54,434 --> 01:09:56,025

But that is where hope lies.

:

01:09:56,055 --> 01:09:56,415

Okay.

:

01:09:56,415 --> 01:10:00,075

Is in collaboration, in

connection, in communication.

:

01:10:00,585 --> 01:10:02,835

And I'm just grateful to

be a part of it with y'all.

:

01:10:02,894 --> 01:10:03,345

Thank you.

:

01:10:04,425 --> 01:10:05,505

Tony Tidbit: Well, thank you.

:

01:10:05,505 --> 01:10:10,545

My brother will full Mark

Alyssa, thanks for joining.

:

01:10:10,545 --> 01:10:14,325

Pull Up, Speak Up So I think

it's now time for Tony's

:

01:10:14,325 --> 01:10:15,165

Will Fullwood: tidbit

:

01:10:15,615 --> 01:10:16,215

Tony Tidbit: and the tidbit.

:

01:10:16,215 --> 01:10:21,945

Today it's easy to launch a mission or

lead a march, but the real courage lies

:

01:10:21,945 --> 01:10:24,915

in questioning the motives behind them.

:

01:10:25,545 --> 01:10:31,965

When politics turns to theater, we

all face a choice to be entertained

:

01:10:32,415 --> 01:10:35,595

or stay informed and provide action.

:

01:10:36,255 --> 01:10:38,955

And you heard a lot of that

from our roundtable today.

:

01:10:40,395 --> 01:10:40,396

Chris P. Reed:

:

01:10:40,396 --> 01:10:43,515

Absolutely powerful, powerful

message from the round table.

:

01:10:43,575 --> 01:10:44,205

Absolutely.

:

01:10:44,205 --> 01:10:46,155

Learned a lot and enjoyed it.

:

01:10:46,395 --> 01:10:50,505

We also wanna remind you we have other

segments that, uh, the Black Executive

:

01:10:50,505 --> 01:10:53,385

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:

01:10:53,595 --> 01:10:55,545

And one of them is need

to know with Nsenga.

:

01:10:55,845 --> 01:10:58,965

Make sure you tune in each week to

need to know with Nsenga, where Dr.

:

01:10:58,965 --> 01:11:04,215

Nsenga Burton, um, talks about and

dives into critical and timely topics

:

01:11:04,215 --> 01:11:05,715

that shape our community and our world.

:

01:11:05,985 --> 01:11:11,355

It is very unique, very, um,

energetic and very informative, so

:

01:11:11,355 --> 01:11:12,885

you don't wanna miss it every week.

:

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Need to know with Nsenga

:

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:

01:11:14,715 --> 01:11:18,405

And you don't wanna miss Next Week

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:

01:11:22,845 --> 01:11:24,885

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:

01:11:25,065 --> 01:11:26,835

It's not a discussion, it's a movement.

:

01:11:27,015 --> 01:11:31,695

So don't miss your chance to tune in,

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:

01:11:32,580 --> 01:11:32,581

Chris P. Reed:

:

01:11:32,581 --> 01:11:36,240

Before we get outta here, we always

wanna make sure that we remind

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01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,450

everyone to incorporate less LESS.

:

01:11:39,450 --> 01:11:42,390

Our goal is to eliminate

all forms of discrimination.

:

01:11:42,660 --> 01:11:45,960

And to achieve this, we

ask you to embrace less.

:

01:11:46,215 --> 01:11:48,000

The L stands for learn.

:

01:11:48,450 --> 01:11:53,370

You wanna learn and educate yourself

on racial, cultural, societal nuances.

:

01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:59,400

And today I learned that the fact is

there's a subset of our society that

:

01:11:59,670 --> 01:12:04,350

believes that the:

the the ancient Roman civilization

:

01:12:04,380 --> 01:12:07,830

was a great time and they're trying

to make it great again and we have to

:

01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:09,300

make sure we continue to combat that.

:

01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:10,590

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

:

01:12:10,590 --> 01:12:13,500

And then after you learn, you

have the lead, the E, which

:

01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:15,270

stands for empa Empathy.

:

01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:19,110

So now you should be open to

understanding diverse views because

:

01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:24,210

you now can put yourself in somebody

else's shoes like our sister Alyssa.

:

01:12:24,210 --> 01:12:24,270

I.

:

01:12:24,540 --> 01:12:26,820

Having a son that's autistic, right?

:

01:12:26,850 --> 01:12:30,870

So people should have empathy

to understand what she and her

:

01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:35,340

family is going through, which

provides a greater perspective.

:

01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:36,361

Chris P. Reed:

:

01:12:36,361 --> 01:12:41,760

The first S is for Cher, and I

think that it really resonates

:

01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,690

when you tune into pull-up, speak

up, Tony's vision of allowing you

:

01:12:45,690 --> 01:12:48,000

guys to share your perspectives.

:

01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,720

And we all grow collectively in a short

amount of time because we're able to

:

01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,970

calibrate and collaborate with each other.

:

01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,900

And I think that's a wonderful, powerful

thing to enlighten each other and share.

:

01:12:57,900 --> 01:13:01,920

And we wanna make sure we share this

with whomever we have that we care about.

:

01:13:02,215 --> 01:13:02,605

As well.

:

01:13:02,905 --> 01:13:03,535

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

:

01:13:03,535 --> 01:13:07,405

And the final S stands for Stop,

like my brother will fullwood

:

01:13:07,405 --> 01:13:09,445

call the contraband wagon.

:

01:13:09,445 --> 01:13:13,165

We wanna stop discrimination

as it walks in our path.

:

01:13:13,165 --> 01:13:18,055

So if Aunt Jenny or Uncle Joe says

something at the Sunday dinner table

:

01:13:18,055 --> 01:13:23,425

that's inappropriate, you say, aunt

Jenny, uncle Joe, we don't believe that.

:

01:13:23,425 --> 01:13:24,655

We don't say that.

:

01:13:24,655 --> 01:13:26,215

And you stop it right there.

:

01:13:26,365 --> 01:13:28,135

So if everyone can incorporate less.

:

01:13:28,425 --> 01:13:33,795

LESS will build a more fair, a

more understanding world, and we'll

:

01:13:33,825 --> 01:13:38,144

all see the change that we want to

see because less will become more.

:

01:13:39,495 --> 01:13:39,496

Chris P. Reed:

:

01:13:39,496 --> 01:13:41,565

I can't wait for the next pull up.

:

01:13:41,565 --> 01:13:42,105

Speak up.

:

01:13:42,165 --> 01:13:45,344

I can't wait for the next, uh,

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:

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:

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:

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Reed.

:

01:14:35,835 --> 01:14:37,065

I'm Tony Tidbit.

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01:14:37,184 --> 01:14:38,325

We talked about it.

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