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Yolanda Hood, PhD is Assistant Dean for Enrollment Management and Multicultural Affairs and Executive Director for the National HCOP [Health Careers Opportunity Program] Academy at Emory University School of Medicine. In this episode Yolanda talks about her full-circle journey from being a product of Atlanta Public Schools [APS] to leading pipeline programs such as Summer Science Academy and EPiC that introduce APS students to opportunities in higher education and provide mentoring and education to help prepare them for matriculating into various higher education programs. Her words of wisdom include "seek mentorship. You don't know what you don't know until someone points it out" and "If you just see someone that's, in my opinion, rocking it and doing great things, ask. Meet with them and see if they would be willing to sit down and talk to you and eventually, that becomes a mentorship relationship."
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Hello, listeners, welcome to Educational Landscapes, Lessons from Leaders. On today's episode, we are going to learn from Yolanda Hood. Welcome to the show, Yolanda.
Yolanda Hood:Thank you. Thank you for having me here.
Ulemu Luhanga:We are delighted to have you. So to begin, what is your educational leadership title or titles?
Yolanda Hood:Okay. I am currently the Assistant Dean for Enrollment Management and Multicultural Affairs. I also serve as the executive director for our National HCOP Academy at Emory, which is a grant-funded program.
Ulemu Luhanga:Well, first let's start with the first title. What do you do in that role? Then I'll ask you about the second role, the HCOP.
Yolanda Hood:Okay. So in the first role, Enrollment Management and Multicultural Affairs, that's actually two part.
Ulemu Luhanga:Okay.
Yolanda Hood:So under Enrollment Management, that would be oversight for our Enrollment Management pieces under the PeopleSoft Enterprise. So that would include registration, financial aid, and admissions as it relates to our PeopleSoft Student Information System.
Ulemu Luhanga:Okay.
Yolanda Hood:As far as Multicultural Affairs, just oversight for the office, which includes the URiM recruitment, our areas of learner development and support, mentorship programs for our students enrolled in the School of Medicine, as well as in other programs. We have a partnership with a local community college, our pipeline pathway development, as well as some of our community outreach activities. As far as the executive director position, that is solely connected to our grant-funded program, which is the National HCOP Academy at Emory. There are currently 20 to 21 academies across the nation, and we have the privilege of being one of those academies. In the state of Georgia, it's Emory University and Morehouse School of Medicine. It's just a plethora of activities for disadvantaged students, socioeconomically- disadvantaged students and exposing them to careers in the health profession.
Ulemu Luhanga:That is amazing, and quite a breadth of things under your purview.
Yolanda Hood:Yes.
Ulemu Luhanga:So given that we have a broad audience, lots of acronyms you threw there. What does HCOP stand for?
Yolanda Hood:HCOP is Health Careers Opportunity Program.
Ulemu Luhanga:Oh, awesome.
Yolanda Hood:It's funded through HRSA, which is the Human Resources and Services Administration, so the Federal government.
Ulemu Luhanga:Okay. Okay. Thank you. Yes, I always feel like when we're in healthcare education or healthcare, there's so many acronyms.
Yolanda Hood:Absolutely. Thank you for reminding me of that.
Ulemu Luhanga:No problem. No problem. So given the broad range of things that you do under these roles, what skills do you find you use most to be able to do your roles well?
Yolanda Hood:Great question. I think first and foremost, people management, people management and project management. There are a lot of different teams that I work with through the Office of Multicultural Affairs, and then within the Office of Multicultural Affairs, those entities that we work with that are connected to the grant. So they're individuals at the School of Public Health, external to Emory, our community partners. So really, I'm managing those teams both internal to Emory and external so that we can accomplish our goals. With that, there's relationship development and relationship continuation in cultivating, because we wouldn't be able to do the work that we do alone and we wouldn't be as successful as we've been in the past six years without having those relationships in place, relationships and partnerships. I mentioned project management and also all of it is tied to research, so I would say those skills.
Ulemu Luhanga:I love that in an academic setting, you're always thinking academic mindset research.
Yolanda Hood:Yes. Yeah.
Ulemu Luhanga:So I'm assuming you didn't start off with these executive director and assistant dean titles. So could you tell us a bit more about what was your journey that led to these current roles?
Yolanda Hood:Absolutely. So where should I start? I always start with this, born in Georgia, South Georgia, because I know that's pretty rare these days here. I was raised in the city of Atlanta. I graduated from a local high school here in the city of Atlanta. I'm a product of Atlanta Public Schools, and I went to undergrad at the University of Georgia and did my master's and my doctorate degrees; got those both from Mercer University. So I say that to say I am a true Georgia girl, grits girl, raised in the South, all of that Georgia peach. After finishing my master's, I actually thought I wanted to work in healthcare management. So growing up in Atlanta, you naturally think about Emory, Emory Hospital. But when I applied at that time, I didn't come across any opportunities. So I took a job actually at DeVry University working in their academic support office as an assistant, and I just fell in love with it.
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I don't know if it was because I was freshly out of school and it just felt so natural and I knew what I needed as a student, and so it was just really a natural transition. So after going back and applying to some positions on the university side, I was offered a position as a program coordinator within OMESA, Office of Medical Education and Student Affairs, and at that time reported to the associate director of registration and financial aid. It just so happened six months later after getting that position, she left and I was offered the position. So I got promotion like six months in and did that for about four years. So I did that for four years, and then I was offered a position because at that time I thought I wanted to be a registrar, and I was offered an assistant registrar position at another local university.
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But what I learned is that mostly entailed processing grades, transcripts, degree certifications, a lot of paperwork or work on the computer, and so what I missed most about Emory was the student engagement piece. It's just our registration and financial aid office was set up different from at the other school. So I actually shared with a colleague at Emory that I wasn't happy there. Then I get a call from who was my predecessor in OMA, Office of Multicultural Affairs, Dr. Lee, who contacted me about an opportunity to come back and work with him. That was the best decision of my career. I learned so much from him and the fact that I was doing... I had that student engagement piece, but just really felt like it was meaningful and purpose-driven work. So that's when I first started, it was like my introduction to DEI work. So yeah, all of those experiences have led to where I am today.
Ulemu Luhanga:That is amazing. I think about how sometimes people talk about, "Oh, the path was very clear," but yours, it's like it looped a bit, but now all those different areas you did are under the umbrella of the roles you have now. That's amazing.
Yolanda Hood:Yes. Yes, it was so non-traditional and loops and curves. But yeah, it just all just came together, and it's definitely areas of interest that I don't even think I knew I had in the beginning, but reflecting, definitely, it's the work that I love doing.
Ulemu Luhanga:Wonderful. So I am curious, given that journey and your current roles, what do you wish you knew before stepping into any of those leadership roles?
Yolanda Hood:So I have a different approach. I value everything that I've learned, the mistakes, the successes, the failures, what have you, 'cause I feel like sometimes not knowing or going through some hardship is a normal part of the process, and that's how you grow and develop. So I would say most of the things that I would deem as maybe unexpected and required maybe more of a knowledge or a gap in knowledge that I had was really navigating the work that I do during the pandemic.
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Just the pandemic itself and all of the social injustices that were happening, that were highlighted, they were always happening, were highlighted during that time and dealing with the mental hardship that we all as staff, faculty, and students endured and still are experiencing, it was a really difficult time for me to support my staff and my team in the way that I felt like they deserved. So that was just an unexpected thing, but I've learned so much from that, thankfully. Emory offered resources that I could tap into and utilizing experts. But within that, again, I learned a lot about how sometimes you got to step outside the work and when you're dealing with people and also taking time out for yourself. So it was a lot of that discovery during that time.
Ulemu Luhanga:Indeed, and I really appreciate how you highlighted there the importance of relationship with others and looking at them holistically and relationship with self.
Yolanda Hood:Yes, absolutely. It is very important.
Ulemu Luhanga:So you talked about being able to tap into resources to help during this time. Can you build on that a bit more by letting us know what kind of continuing professional development do you do in order to keep up with the needs of your roles?
Yolanda Hood:So I'm very much a proponent and fan of the professional development programs here at Emory. I've gone through the two programs, the Excellence Through Leadership, ETL, and Emerging Leaders. I'm so grateful and thankful that the School of Medicine Leadership nominated me for those programs. That in itself I felt was a great accomplishment because there are some programs that you can sign up for, but when people recommend you, that's really like a... I don't know, that just helped me with my confidence 'cause that was an area in which I've struggled throughout my journey, that self-confidence.
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So I've been involved in two leadership programs and through those programs, and because of my completion of those programs, I've served as mentors for the same program for people who have come after me in the program. Also, there are also AAMC, or Association of American Medical Colleges, those group meetings and conferences either related to diversity, equity and inclusion, or student affairs. Back when I was doing financial aid as a part of my job, like the ins and out, I would go to the annual financial aid conference as well. Also, I would say reaching out to others in the field, and that can happen at some of those conferences, either formally or informally. I do a lot of listening to leadership YouTube videos.
Ulemu Luhanga:Oh.
Yolanda Hood:Yes. Yeah, I have become a fan of T.D. Jakes. I know he's a pastor, but he has this whole series of videos and talks on leadership.
Ulemu Luhanga:Wow.
Yolanda Hood:So I listen to those on my way in to work. I have a really long commute, so I would say those things.
Ulemu Luhanga:Okay. I love the diversity of things that-
Yolanda Hood:Keep it interesting.
Ulemu Luhanga:Indeed. Indeed. So thinking about your experiences to date, what advice would you give someone interested in doing the same type of leadership roles that you currently have?
Yolanda Hood:Definitely seek mentorship. You don't know what you don't know until someone points it out. Even in my journey, I feel that I've had an idea of what I wanted to do, but just didn't quite... I needed that guidance to just kind of point me in the right direction and put up a mirror and tell me honestly what is it that I may be missing? I felt like I got that in my mentors, my predecessor in the Office of Multicultural Affairs [Dr. Lee], Dr. Marilane Bond. I feel like Dr. Lee was preparing me, and then Marilane just came in at the point of like, "Okay, you learned now what are you going to do with it?"
Ulemu Luhanga:Oh.
Yolanda Hood:And allowed me that space to do what I needed to do with it to move forward. So I would definitely recommend getting a mentor, either formally through a professional development or a leadership program or some type of program, or informally. If you just see someone that's, in my opinion, rocking it and doing great things, ask. Meet with them and see if they would be willing to sit down and talk to you and eventually, that becomes a mentorship relationship.
Ulemu Luhanga:Wonderful. I love that statement, just ask. It doesn't hurt to ask. So in thinking about your journey and the types of roles that you've had along the way up until now, how do you view succession planning?
Yolanda Hood:So I think this is very important. Succession planning is extremely important, especially given the type of work specifically that we do in OMA and within the School of Medicine. But when we think about our pathway programs and supporting students, that work has to continue. It must grow and strengthen, and it shouldn't die when a person leaves. That is one thing that I learned from my predecessor, Dr. Lee. He would always say, "Hey, Yolanda, I'm not going to be here forever, but I want to ensure that these programs still continue." So our work is mission driven and then it plays an important role in the long term, just sustainability of the office and in the lives of our students. So I just make it a priority as it was done with me to share my knowledge with my team and leaders and coach them along the way 'cause it just has to. It doesn't start or end with us. It's a legacy.
Ulemu Luhanga:Indeed. Actually, could you tell us a bit more about these pipeline programs? 'Cause I think about how it's parallel to this idea of succession planning, but I know a bit about those programs, but of course, our listeners don't. So could you tell us a bit more about the programs that come-
Yolanda Hood:Absolutely.
Ulemu Luhanga:... out of OMA?
Yolanda Hood:I'll start with the Summer Science Academy because it's the oldest program that we have, and that was started by Dr. Lee. It is a summer experience for now rising ninth and 10th grade students where they can come and spend time on Emory's campus two weeks at a time just learning about various topics in science. It's some health professions related, but it's really just to get younger students excited about science.
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At one point, we did a robotics session. We've done some activities with the SIM center and Gina in the Human Simulation Lab. We do field trips, but we also, we want to make sure that the field trips are tied to some STEM aspect. Like we would do six Flags, but it would be a part of a physics lesson. There's a packet where you, now, I'm not a physics person, but it was a g-force and all of these things. They would do those problems prior to going and then go have fun. We also want them to get experience in doing presentations, so they do a poster session at the end of the two weeks just on a topic of interest to them. That is a fee for participation program. But the way that it's structured is we utilize some of the fees to offer scholarships to economically-disadvantaged students.
Ulemu Luhanga:Lovely.
Yolanda Hood:Now with our academy, that is multi-tiered, because we've got various programs under the academy, we have a high school program entitled EPiC which is an acronym again for Emory Pipeline Collaborative. That is a relationship or partnership with the Atlanta Public Schools System where we reach out and recruit students who are economically disadvantaged or first- generation students. They are paired with a mentor during their 10th grade year with a Emory sophomore, and so that mentor relationship grows over three years in the program. Each year, we have the sophomores, the juniors, and the seniors, there's a different module. So for the sophomores, it's reproductive health. For the juniors, it's neurology and mental health. Then for the seniors, it's public health. It's a longitudinal program. Each year it ends with a presentation and we have an awards ceremony. Then what's really great about that is when they graduate as seniors, we do this photo montage of the graduating person from high school and the one that's graduating from Emory and then say where they're going.
Ulemu Luhanga:Nice.
Yolanda Hood:So that's our high school program with the Atlanta Public Schools System. I told you a product APS. So it came full. It was a full circle moment with that. We also have a program for undergraduate students who, again, all of our pathway programs and including Summer Science Academy since we have the scholarship, are target socioeconomic disadvantaged students. So these are for undergraduate students that come and they stay with us for eight weeks over the summer. It is an intensive MCAT, GRE preparation program, depending on which track they decide on. So we try to incorporate all of our programs here at the School of Medicine, and we're exposing them to the admissions requirements. They're doing their essay letter writing. They're, like I said, taking the test preparation. They're doing, when we can, shadowing in the hospitals, depending on what's going on at our partner healthcare entities.
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We've had really immediate success in that program because they are at the point where they're applying to health profession schools. So we've had students who have gone on to other programs in the MD degree. We've also had students who've been accepted here at Emory School of Medicine and have matriculated here at the Emory School of Medicine within the MD program, as well as some of our academic health programs. Lastly, under the academy, we have a partnership with Metropolitan State College, which is a community college in the city of Atlanta, an open access college. We work with their students in introducing them to our medical imaging program, which is the only undergraduate program within the School of Medicine. Students, they get mentoring, they go through mentoring activities. The program leadership from the medical imaging program worked with their students, and we've had students who have graduated from an AMSC, or Atlanta Metropolitan State College, who have entered into our medical imaging program and have graduated and are now working in the field.
Ulemu Luhanga:Amazing. Simply amazing. I love that the pipeline literally went, it was like, okay, these grades and then the next step and then the next stage.
Yolanda Hood:Yes. I love it. Yeah.
Ulemu Luhanga:Yeah. Yeah.
Yolanda Hood:Sometimes it gives me goosebumps.
Ulemu Luhanga:Indeed. Indeed. I would have goosebumps every year, especially as you said, that graduation of people are graduating from Emory and then they're also graduating from high school at the same time. Wow. So I feel like if I were you, this next question would be a difficult one, but I'm curious as to what your answer will be.
Yolanda Hood:Okay.
Ulemu Luhanga:But the question is, what has been one of your greatest successes thus far?
Yolanda Hood:Okay. So professionally, I feel it's my work with the grant because we've actually been funded three cycles with this grant-
Ulemu Luhanga:Wow.
Yolanda Hood:... which is pretty exceptional. So it's not guaranteed that once you get it, you're going to continue. You really have to show successful outcomes and show that you're being effective and that you're reaching students for you to be able to continue. So we've done that for three cycles.
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I am really just proud that the program has really become a part of Emory School of Medicine, and it is my goal to have key components of it, if not all of it, to be institutionally funded by the School of Medicine so that we don't have to rely on grants. This year alone, we've had a challenge where the amount that we've received for the grants still does not cover all of the expenses because we know everything has increased; transportation, food costs, and School of Medicine has committed to bridging that gap.
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So it's not really, I guess, an accomplishment or a success because of what I've gained, but just really what it means to students in the program. As I mentioned, they're first-generation, low-income students, some of them whom without this program would've never set foot on the college campus prior to graduating from high school. They're here in the Atlanta area with all these great, fine institutions of higher learning. So we're so proud that really each year we've had I would say between 95 to 100% of our high school graduates have been accepted to colleges.
Ulemu Luhanga:Wow.
Yolanda Hood:We've also had undergraduate and graduate students, like I said, matriculate into the health profession programs here at Emory. So we've been producing some really great outcomes and successes, which I feel it's a win for everyone all the way around.
Ulemu Luhanga:Absolutely. I love how you were trying to dampen, but getting a grant is a big deal. That is a huge success because, oh, I won't lie, grant writing is not my happy place.
Yolanda Hood:It is a lot. It's a lot of work, but it is one of those things, "Well, yeah..." You question, you're like, "Okay, now why am I doing this?" Then when you witness or experience those things that are helping to support students, it's like, "Yeah, it was worth it. It's definitely worth it. I'd do it over and over again."
Ulemu Luhanga:Wonderful. Can you tell us, you said three cycles, how many years is a cycle?
Yolanda Hood:So the first cycle was three years.
Ulemu Luhanga:Okay.
Yolanda Hood:Our second cycle was five years. Between those, the three and five, we got additional funding to do a pilot program, so that's how we got the healthcare program.
Ulemu Luhanga:Awesome.
Yolanda Hood:So we just received notification last August that we're funded for five more years.
Ulemu Luhanga:Awesome.
Yolanda Hood:So it was three, five and five.
Ulemu Luhanga:Awesome. Awesome. Congratulations to you and your team.
Yolanda Hood:Thank you.
Ulemu Luhanga:So I think about all of the things you do and these amazing programs. I am curious because that is a lot on one person's plate, even though you do have a team. I'm curious, therefore, what do you think are your biggest growth opportunities right now?
Yolanda Hood:Definitely, I need to take time to share what I do and my accomplishments. I won't say my, but just the accomplishments of our office and the work that we do through presentations, manuscripts, publications, we are so busy doing, doing, doing that we don't tell. Then I would always hold that as my crutch or my excuse, "Oh, but we're just too busy. We've got all this stuff to do." I'll go back to those professional development conferences. I went to, this was not this year's national conference, but it may have been one of the group on Student Affairs. There was a networking session luncheon, and we were talking about... a lot of people were basically singing the same song, "I really would like to do more research or what have you in publications."
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There was a seasoned dean there, and she put it in a different perspective in that you have to make time because it really is your responsibility to contribute to the field that you're working in. So it's like, "Ah, okay." That gives it a different tone because it is less about, "Oh, well, we just got to find time," it's that, "You need to find time," because when we talk about sustainability and continuing this work, that is a way to really keep it going is to contribute to the literature. So it's not just about Emory, it's the work globally and other institutions where people can read what you've done and replicate it or use best practices or what have you. So yeah, I need to get better in that space, and we are working on some things organizational wise so that we'll be able to do that.
Ulemu Luhanga:So important, so important. I think about as you're saying, I'm also somebody who's by default a doer, and that idea of, oh, it feels like a pause, but I think it's so important for us to build it within the doing to be like, "Okay, I'm doing this. Let me write that part out. I'm doing this. Let me write that part out." Because yeah, if you don't share these amazing stuff you're doing and these programs, no one's going to know unless they happen to come to Emory and see them.
Yolanda Hood:Absolutely.
Ulemu Luhanga:Then they miss out on going, "Ooh, I could try and build something like that in X." Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. So you do many things that are linked, but three different hats or at least three sections in the hats that you wear. So I'm curious, what do you love most about your work and what you do right now?
Yolanda Hood:So I like the variety. I really do like the variety, and within that variety, I like working with students at various stages of the pipeline. So it's not like I'm just working with MD students or graduate students. I engage with students from 10th grade and sometimes even younger than that all the way through in their residency and fellowship learners. So I think that variety is what I appreciate and what I love most about it. It's never a dull moment.
Ulemu Luhanga:Nope. No, definitely not, especially with that range.
Yolanda Hood:I would say I also, outside of that, I have grown to have an appreciation for coaching and working with individuals in their professional growth, both formally and informally. It's just something to see individuals grow and reach their goals and helping to guide them, a way of giving back.
Ulemu Luhanga:So important.
Yolanda Hood:A lot of it's important to me
Ulemu Luhanga:Indeed. I'm curious because you had talked about mentors earlier and then now you're talking about coaching. How do you see them as either similar, different, complementary?
Yolanda Hood:Definitely complementary because I feel like I can coach someone in the moment and not necessarily be their mentor. So I think you can't have one without the other as an individual who's looking to grow and develop, but you can serve as the coach or the mentor in different capacities.
Ulemu Luhanga:Indeed. Thank you for that perspective. So overall, reflecting on your experiences to date, what would you say your current passions around education are, or what is your educational philosophy?
Yolanda Hood:As far as passions, definitely equitable access to educational opportunities, working or providing support and resources to first generation URiM students. I am a first-generation student. I know some people don't see sports as a pathway or as a pipeline, but it really was because that was my first introduction to higher ed. When I would go to track meets, and what was it? It was Towson University, that was the first time I'd gone away to be at... set foot on a college campus.
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... and track meets over at the AU Center and track meets here at Emory. There was no one in my family that had gone to college, so that just wasn't high on the priority to take me to visit schools. But through that opportunity, I was able to experience a whole different realm. So I'm passionate about providing those opportunities for other students just as it was for me.
Ulemu Luhanga:Indeed, so important. I love how full circle it is what you're doing now, and as you said, your personal experiences. Thank you. So this is going to be my last core question for you for today. So recognizing you are more than what you do, what are some things you do outside of work to help you maintain joy in life and practice?
Yolanda Hood:Oh, yeah, that's always a fun question. So definitely my faith. I am a Christian, and I've strengthened in that area in over the last few years and so that's very important to me. It is very core to how I maintain balance. Family, well, I'm transitioning now. I was that helicopter mom, involved in everything. I was laughing with my son over the weekend, and he just had his 23rd birthday, and we took him to a Falcons game. We somehow got on the topic of his high school, and I was like, "Oh, yeah, there's a new principal." He's like, "Oh, okay. I didn't know." I was like, "Well, how do you know?" I was like, "Well, you know I'm still on the parent council." He was like, "For what? You don't have a kid there." I was like, "Keeping those relationships going." But yeah, I was always on the PTA. I was always on parent council, teen mom, anything dealing with family, even with my nieces and nephews having different events. I'm actually going to the, what's it called? The Polar Express train ride this weekend.
Ulemu Luhanga:Oh.
Yolanda Hood:I'm taking my nephew.
Ulemu Luhanga:I love it.
Yolanda Hood:So that's very important to me, and then there's football. Anybody that knows me know I love football, and specifically, college football. Fall is my favorite season, and it's because my birthday, I love the fashion and football.
Ulemu Luhanga:Who is your football team then I wonder?
Yolanda Hood:The University of Georgia Bulldogs. We're a little hurt at the moment. I don't know if you know, but we missed out on the opportunity to become back-to-back-back National Champions, but we'll be back.
Ulemu Luhanga:Okay.
Yolanda Hood:It's fine.
Ulemu Luhanga:Okay. It was a little humbling once in a while just to remind you.
Yolanda Hood:Yeah, yeah. Honestly, at the end of the football season, I go through a little withdrawal.
Ulemu Luhanga:Oh.
Yolanda Hood:Yeah. One thing I would say lastly that I've gotten back to is gardening. I'm an aspiring gardener. Like I said, I was born in South Georgia and I was spending my summers in South Georgia, and my grandmothers, that's all they did was gardening. So I was by way of being immersed in it, I was like, "Oh, it's hot out there. Why are they... burning up?" But I understand. It helps for the mind, body and soul. I can't really describe it, but it definitely does wonders for my mental health. So yeah, that's my new thing.
Ulemu Luhanga:As a veggie gardener, I always love to find out what people are into gardening. Is it veggies? Is it flowers? Is it a mix of things? What's your thing?
Yolanda Hood:Right now, it's flowers. For years, I have been wanting to plant bulbs in the fall so that they'll bloom in the spring. I got a chance to do that this year. So I'm just so waiting for around Easter to see if they're going to take, but we're having an unseasonably warm winter, so I don't know if they're going to, but hopefully so. But I would like to move into, for the vegetables and things like that, but right now, it's flowers.
Ulemu Luhanga:Okay. Wonderful. So thank you again for your time. But before I let you go, are there any last words of wisdom for aspiring educators or education leaders?
Yolanda Hood:I really would like to just thank you for doing this and allowing me to be a part of this project. I think it is really important work that you're doing in capturing and sharing the stories of those in leadership. I was looking at some of the recordings, and I really appreciate the diversity of those who you've interviewed. So those recordings in itself can serve as another opportunity and resource for individuals looking to go into leadership roles. So I just want to say kudos to you.
Ulemu Luhanga:Aw, thank you. Yep, you got exactly why I love doing this because I think these are amazing moments to learn how people got to where they are because I think it's so inspiring the stories people have. It helps even for me to get ideas of, "I could do that in order to get to the next place." So thank you.
Yolanda Hood:I don't know, maybe there's a book in your future.
Ulemu Luhanga:You never know. Watch the space. Thank you again for your time, Yolanda.
Yolanda Hood:Okay. Thank you. You have a great one.