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Well, Dr. Bouchard, welcome back to The Accrescent Podcast.
Lori (:Thank you so much. I am honored that you're having me back and I'm excited for which direction we're gonna go to and what we're gonna do today.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:So we were already talking off air that there's we could have you on 10 times and talk about 10 different angles, and it would all be such incredibly rich information. But what we're gonna spend our time on today is post-cancer, post-chemo, you know, remission, patients are coming to you. And I think what's really tricky, and I actually see this too, but from an emotional side is in conventional medicine, when they get that NED diagnosis or remission diagnosis.
The conventional world is like, great, you're all good. Go have a good life. And sometimes that's often not how the patient themselves feel. They might feel really grateful that they are on the other side of cancer, but they're experiencing a lot of symptoms, a lot of side effects. And we're here to talk about how you support those patients after doing maybe really intense conventional medicine like chemo, radiation, et cetera.
Lori (:Mm-hmm.
Lori (:Exactly. And I think that's, you know, after cancer diagnosis, everybody that I see in my practice, that's the number one thing. They say, I want to be cancer free, and that's all I care about. So they see the conventional doctors, they do all the therapies that they're told to do. And once they are cancer free, they feel like, Okay, well, now what? Now I'm exhausted. Now I have brain fog. Now I'm getting infections one after another. They feel
That they're completely lacking the motivation to do the things that they used to love. And they feel like, is this it? You know, you work so hard, go through all these different therapies, and they feel like, okay, now, now what? And they almost feel like they're not grateful in a way, you know? They think, well, you know, like I'm getting this result, and other people would love to be cancer free, and you know, I should be so grateful, but at the same time, they've completely lost their will to live. And this actually
Happened recently where a patient, he he did all the conventional therapies. He listened to exactly what his doctors told him to do. And when I met him, he said, I my scans are great, my blood work is great, but I am I think I'm ready to go. And I'm thinking, you know, like it almost brought a tear to my eye because I'm thinking, you know, who am I to say when it's someone's time to go?
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Lori (02:31.126)
Right, like it's a part of life is we all die eventually, and that's that's what happens. But when you when you hear that without all of the data behind it, like why does he feel like that? Was he told by the doctor that, you know, you only have five years to live and this is your timeline, you're meant to go now? Or is it because the chemo completely destroyed his gut microbiome? He's not producing serotonin anymore, he's not producing dopamine, his
You know, his energy from his hemoglobin that's been shot from bone marrow being destroyed, you know, you think of all the repercussions of going through all these therapies, of course you're not gonna feel like getting out of bed, right? And so when you think about our mental health of okay, let's keep going, let's keep fighting, let's continue this day, it's like you don't even st stand a chance after you've been destroyed by this many chemicals in the system.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. And I think it's very confusing. I interestingly have a lot of patients come to me for, of course, the emotional side of the work who go, I got my NED diagnosis and then I got hit with the biggest depression. Or like this is when actually all of the anxiety come came out. And none of their friends and family can understand it because they're all just celebrating, woohoo, you're cancer free. You should be happy. You should be thrilled. You should be grateful.
Which then almost adds these new layers of guilt or shame if they're not feeling that way. So it's really complex, but I also think it's really confusing. And so to be able to normalize a little bit that, hey, it's actually really common to get hit with a huge wave of emotion after you're cancer free. It's also really common to have a lot of physiological things being out of balance when you do a lot of conventional therapies and there's a lot of hope.
Lori (:Yeah.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:To be able to rebuild.
Lori (:Exactly, exactly. And this can happen with anybody, even if you have not gone through cancer therapies, right? If you have low iron, then you're gonna feel exhausted as well and brain fog and you may feel you know, nerve pain or your hair is gonna fall out. So all of those symptoms, it's like we have to almost take away that diagnosis and that label that someone has gotten and saying, Okay, what is the what's going on? What's happening inside of your system? What is your
Blood look like? What's the data look like? And how can we improve you as a human? And how can we support you as a human? Replace nutrients. Look at, you know, what is tearing your body apart? And sometimes it could be metals or heavy metals that have been in the system from five years ago from the first chemo treatment that they did. So that accumulation over the years, creating so much inflammation. Of course, the brain is going to have that neuroinflammation as well. And you're just going to feel completely.
hopeless and exhausted. So we really have to go back to saying, let's go back to the drawing board. What is going on in your system right now? Collecting all the data and taking creating a game plan from there. And that also gives people a lot of hope too, to say it's not just, you know, I had this therapy. I should be feeling this way. I'm not, and you know, there's nothing else I could do. Right. It's like having that game plan and really strict
strategizing to say how can we support you and make it into a daily habit to improve your body and support you based on your your specific data, not what everyone else said that they should do for this specific cancer type or this diagnosis.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Right. Well, and I think it's worth saying too that I imagine I do think people when they're going into some of these treatments like chemotherapy, radiation, surgery, they do understand the acute symptoms, right? The hair loss, the fatigue, the brain fog acutely in the moment, whatever some of the radiation might occur, but they might not necessarily be linking some of these other symptoms that come up.
Three months later, six months later, 10 months later, that really are actually downstream effects of chemotherapy, radiation, et cetera. And so they might not even realize, it's stemming from this. There's just some detox repair that needs to happen. But I think a really interesting place to start, and I'm actually fascinated by this because I don't even fully understand it, is let's talk about chemo radiation surgery. I mean, these are like the main ones, immunotherapy too, but can we talk a little bit about?
what are the symptoms these cause or like the effects these have in the body and the downstream imbalances they can lead to for each of these. I think that's a great foundation to start from.
Lori (:Yeah, exactly. And so the most common drug used in cancer therapies would be from the platinum-based drugs. And there's several different types like cisplatin or carboplatin. And these drugs are so toxic on the system. And many people keep this metal in their body for years. And so
What the first symptom would be is they develop this peripheral neuropathy. So this just like numbness and tingling and pain, the sensation that can take years to go away if we do not remove that metal that is stored in the system. So some people genetically cannot detox this as well as some other people. So some people might have it very mild, whereas others it's so debilitating, they actually have to stop that medication.
That they're supposed to be doing. And they have that guilt too of like, I need to do this drug to treat the cancer, but you know, my quality of life is so bad. It can also lead them to feeling exhausted. the hair loss, they can feel just compromised immune system as well. And what's interesting about that is when you have a completely destroyed white blood cell and compromised immune system, you're gonna be more susceptible to.
every other infection. And so when I test someone for molds, for example, after a cancer diagnosis or after their conventional therapies, a hundred percent of the time they're high in mycotoxins. So various yeah, ochratoxins, it could be any type of mold, whether it's even before the diagnosis, who knows if it was maybe part of the reason why they even got cancer in the first place. But the way that their body is fighting
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Wow.
Lori (:What's in their environment, being able to detect these various pathogens or environmental triggers, their body just cannot handle it. So it almost like stores in their system. And the longer that you have mold or mycotoxins in your body, the further it's suppressing your immune system. So you're more susceptible to other infections and also for future cancers down the road. So it really is that vicious cycle of understanding what is going on in your system. Do you have
An overburden of these heavy metals like the platinums or these mold mycotoxins in your system. What is that level right now? And creating a plan that can support your body, how it eliminates it. So those are the two the two main ones that I see in almost everybody who has gone through cancer therapies, the high heavy metals, platinum would be the highest, but then also I've seen where mercury is quite high and lead being quite high. And they would think, you know, I don't.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Wow.
Lori (:eat a lot of fish or I don't have any, you know, mercury amalgams, like how does that even make sense? And a lot of times it is for sure the cancer therapies, but even prior to that, it could be even in as crazy as this sounds, it could be even organic foods. So you think about where the food was grown, the soil.
could be around a power plant, like the soil could be high in these various heavy metals. And so these great organic, healthy foods that you're eating are also a trigger for them too. So not that we all have to live in a bubble and, you know, be scared of what everything we're putting into our system, but just being aware that it could be in the water sources, it could be in various food, it could be in, you know, something even passed down from your mom that's passed through the placenta and you've just had this for most of your life. So
Just knowing that e you don't have to be a smoker now or you don't have to have this like very toxic environmental job that you know that there's that main trigger. It could be in anyone's environment and impacting all of us. So getting tested is really important.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah, so that what that started with it though is some of the like oral therapies they're taking have heavy metals in them. Is that right? Am I understanding that? Yeah, okay. The other thing it's making me think of why their heavy metals might be high is they do so many cancer patients do so many MRIs with contrast.
Lori (:Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.
Lori (:Exactly. That too.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:And that contrast dye, like I know because I do an MRI every single year for the breast cancer, has the gadolinium in it and I'm actually allergic to it. So I have to do this whole extra protocol to make sure I don't my throat doesn't close. But I feel like shit for like three days after. And I probably do need to check in with my heavy metal levels.
Lori (:Yeah.
Lori (:100%. Yes. And even thinking about with your immune system too, it's like that big signal of this is not okay for my body. And so it's almost a blessing in a way that your body's going into this major attack mode because it's not healthy. It's trying to basically push it away and saying, This is harmful for my system. And your immune system is just going on fire. So yes, it's any type of scan that has the contrast, everybody should be following a certain protocol before.
the day of and even a few days, even a few weeks after they have exposure to gadolinium because it's very hard on the kidneys. And you're right, if you do not have a protection protocol, then the average person can become so inflamed. And we know that these imaging is not always just once a year. Sometimes it's every three months that people are getting, right? Just to see is the treatment working and let's reassess. So you imagine just even like the psychology around that too and the fear and anxieties of getting tested so often
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Exactly.
Lori (:But then you think, okay, exposure to radiation, exposure to this contrast, like how can we protect this body of yours that is, you know, prone to all of these various conditions and still get the data, which is great and understand what's going on and how you're responding to various therapies. But you're right, it's it's toxic. It's all very toxic for the system.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. I think it's worth pausing too to note that this isn't about creating fear around these conventional protocols. The whole point, I think, of this conversation is going, hey, sometimes they're necessary, or sometimes we didn't have any other resources to pull on, so we went that route. And there is so much repair and healing we can do after the fact, even if we've utilized these different things. And I think that is really like the heart and the empowerment in this message. It's not
You need to be so afraid of these. If you did any of these things, you're never gonna be healthy again. It's the exact opposite.
Lori (:Exactly. Awareness and knowledge and not being I don't want to say naive. Well, it is naive, right? Like you think most of the people that I see are younger and they think how well, for yourself too, you think how
Could this happen? And it's you're shocked and you feel like, How could my body have this when you know I didn't do all these things that are known carcinogens that could create cancer? And so just to understand, you know, what these triggers are, and if you have any type of variance in your DNA repair mechanisms, then you're gonna be more susceptible. So it's understanding your own genome and your own DNA to say, like, okay, if I am doing this.
Therapy that can create more inflammation. How can I support my body so it can heal faster? Or how can I protect my DNA? So for example, most of the patients that I see, they take extremely high amounts of melatonin before a scan, which has been very well proven to protect DNA from mutations, from all this radiation that they could be exposed to. So very simple things like that were
Right before you go into the scan, taking a thousand milligrams of melatonin. This is not medical advice, but it's in the research that it can protect DNA mutations and further risk for cancer growth. So things like that are so simple and it should be part of mainstream medicine. You know, if you're gonna be taking this statin drug, we know CoQ10 is gonna be depleted. So, yes, to combine that, right? There's a really good book called Drug Muggers.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Mm-hmm.
Lori (:And it goes through every single drug possible and saying what exact nutrient deficiency it induces. Right. So it's like playing in it with the research saying if you do have to take this drug, you know, you feel that that's what your main option is, then let's support the deficiencies and replace that in your system so you don't get this all the s or lowering your risk of all the various symptoms that it can induce.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:my gosh. I love that.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. this is so fun. Okay, let's talk about chemotherapy. I want to hit just all the main ones and then we're gonna get into okay, how do we start to repair? So chemotherapy, again, people are gonna know the main things, right? Yes, it might cause hair loss, brain fog, fatigue, vomiting, but what is what is it doing inside the body? And then what are some of the downstream side effects that can come to?
Lori (:Yeah, and so basically it's looking at chemotherapies often looking at cancer as this genetic disease, right? And so they're not looking at it as a metabolic disease. So there's no drug that's saying, we're gonna treat your cancer as if it's something that's metabolically induced. We're gonna say, let's look for these specific types of genetic mutations that you may have, and we will
trigger exactly what type of drug will match with that genetic mutation. But what's so interesting is every time you do a chemotherapy drug, that expression and that mutation can actually change. So you
Probably heard this before where you become chemo resistant. So someone could be responding for months, maybe years on a certain chemotherapy drug, but that genetic expression and the personality of it can change, where now they have to switch to a different type of drug. So you're constantly chasing what this genetic expression is happening. But meanwhile, we know that cancer is a metabolic disease, and it's more important to look in the environment that actually turned on those oncogenes to be expressed.
So right now there is no drugs that are and nor should there be on the metabolic side of it because we know that lifestyle and fasting and nutrition, all those things can make a huge impact on how cancer is being fueled in the first place. But so to get back to your question, as far as chemotherapies, the main side effect is destroying your white blood cells and your immune system. So, you know, you you think about that rationally when you are taking a chemotherapy drug.
You want your immune system to be working hard for you, but you're working on this uphill battle where it's any kind of infection or any type of future cancer growth, your immune system is completely exhausted and it doesn't even stand a chance. So that's where a lot of people have to take breaks from chemotherapies to allow their neutrophils and their lymphocytes to
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah,
Lori (:rebuild and support and thank God our system has a constant turnover and our cells, every cell in our body does have a lifespan and can be reproduced. So thank God that we have that or else you know no one would stand a chance with chemotherapies.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. Okay, this is really fascinating to me though, because where it makes my mind go is we see this in a different context. When the immune system takes a big hit, it can cause these dormant things to suddenly flare. And so what it's making me wonder is I wonder if there are some patients who maybe they had dormant EBV or dormant COVID or some mold that wasn't causing a huge issue.
But once they did chemo and it totally took out their immune system, some of these other things were able to kind of reactivate and flare. And six months down the road, 10 months down the road, they're having these really they're starting to have really severe symptoms that they don't understand why. Does that track? Okay.
Lori (:That's exactly it. And that's constantly the question that I'm wondering because when I do see someone after a cancer diagnosis, I am looking at and especially after chemotherapies and things that completely nuke their immune system, majority of the time s they would also express Borrelia, the Lyme infections and several co infections too. So you think about, you know,
Did they have Lyme disease for years that was not diagnosed? Did they have, you know, chronic mold? Did they have these chronic infections or Epstein-Barr virus that we know is linked to lymphomas and several lymphatic cancers? You know, it's like what came first, right? Were these things dormant for so long that their immune system has been distracted or suppressed or compromised, allowing any type of insult to the system or any type of
oxidative stress trigger this cancer diagnosis, right? And so at the end of the day, it's like you can drive yourself crazy because no one generally tests for these things, right? Until they get some debilitating condition. They think, okay, now I need to test for everything. I'd say there's probably what, like one percent of the population that's saying like, I just want to be healthier and let me test for everything that's could be living in my system, right? There usually is some sort of pain that someone's going through or triggering them to really explore
Their body. So when we start looking at everything going on, that's where we say, okay, let's see first of all what is distracting your immune system. And we know chemo is the top one, but just say someone has done chemotherapies and all their drugs, then we say, Okay, let's see what your body is more susceptible to. What is it holding on to right now that's preventing it from being as strong as it could.
Just recently, too, I saw a patient who did a stool test. he had issues with constipation. He just felt like you know, his gut was always inflamed. and when we did his stool testing, he tested 50% of the stool, like the gut microbiome, had this mycoplasma.
Lori (:Bacteria that is preventing how he absorbs nutrients. So when he came with a whole, you know, list he had like 35 different supplements that he was taking. He's like, I'm so tired. I'm not going to the bathroom. There's all these issues where I just like feel anxiety and feel depression. You think about, you know, why on earth would you be taking so many supplements when you're likely not even absorbing it? So the game plan has to be clean up this bacterial.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah.
Lori (:Overgrowth, get you pooping every single day, right? Like even if that means coffee enemas, started doing more like methylene blue enemas, probiotic enemas, all these things that we know if you take orally, maybe it doesn't get right to the gut microbiome. So putting them into an enab enema bag and making sure that it's getting right to the location can support how that gut microbiome is being refueled. But that's what I mean about getting that underlying cause, because if you don't treat that
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Right.
Lori (:bacteria or that mycoplasma, then of course, like anything else that you're doing is not gonna work as well as it should.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Right. I love this. Let's talk about radiation now. And it's interesting because again, I think when you talk about radiation, people often think of this the effects on the skin and kind of aesthetically, visually what it's doing. Is that as far as it goes, or are there deeper internal effects of radiation?
Lori (:Yeah, and I feel like I love that you asked this because I feel like you already know. Right? You already know, and it depends where the sight of the radiation happens as well. So for another patient who had radiation in the lungs, they uses this other technology called SABR technology, which is just like a very focused amount of radiation where they can pinpoint just where the cancer is.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah.
Lori (:But after he had this type of radiation, he had shortness of breath. He was just feeling like difficulty swallowing, even just more coughing. And so you think about even, yes, for sure on the skin, there's gonna be more rash or more irritation, but deep on a cellular level, it's going to create more inflammation. And so depending on the site of where it happens, whether it's in the bowels, you're gonna have more colitis symptoms, right? Like more inflammator inflammation in the colon.
So that could be expressed as more diarrhea, more constipation, more bloating. if you have it in the head or neck area, maybe you get a dry mouth or sore throat, difficulty swallowing. So it really is dependent on the location that they that they have it done where this inflammatory process would happen.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:And is that like really the mechanism of symptoms? Is that the radiation is causing excessive amounts of inflammation that then is gonna express differently in these different areas?
Lori (:Exactly. So if you think about, you know, what radiation is, you are killing these cells, right? Which is
For cancer, fabulous. You want to you want to target the cells that should not be there or growing abnormally, but you will have you will affect the tumor microenvironment as well. So any area that's exposed to radiation, it's creating oxidative stress. So it is triggering this inflammatory response. There's certain things, again, I say melatonin again can help with radiation becoming more selective as well. So it can actually protect your healthy normal cells.
While the radiation can have a greater effect on the abnormal cancer cells. So that's really the hack there is supporting if you are going through radiation, how can you make it as selective as possible while protecting the healthy tissue around it? When you're going through radiation, you don't necessarily want to be doing antioxidants. So low dose vitamin C, green tea, doing like
Vitam yeah, yeah, vitamin C. And then those things are gonna help they're gonna take away from the radiation effects. So you wanna be staying away from antioxidants when you're going through any type of conventional oxidative stressor, so it can do its job, but you wanna use the things that are more of like
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Hmm, interesting.
Lori (:immune modulators, more of like kind of like the w I'm not even sure if there is a word for that, where it's like not a pro oxidant, it's not an antioxidant, it's more of like a neutral, neutral in between, where it's more supporting your tissue and helping prevent from a lot of those side effects.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Mm-hmm.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah, it's such good information because I think we think if it's good, it's always good. And so we should always use it. But this is where there's so much nuance that comes into this, which is green tea extract is amazing, vitamin C IVs can be amazing, and we really need to understand what they do, how they work, and there's a time and a place for all of these. I hear what you're saying is like radiation is meant to cause.
Lori (:Mm-hmm.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:oxidative stress. And we kind of need to allow that process to happen in order for it to be fully effective. So don't intervene with that process. Afterwards, we can get into some of the repair.
Lori (:Yeah.
Lori (:Exactly, exactly. So throughout you want to actually create that stressor on the body, you want it to do its job. And then it would be about, you know, the day before to at least seven days after the oxidative therapy where you can add in the antioxidants again because you want to go back into repair mode.
as quick as possible. And same with different half-lives of various chemotherapies or drugs. You have to see, you know, when does that chemotherapy leave your system so then you can go back into the antioxidant mode as quick as possible and go into repair and replenish. But you don't want to be doing it at the same time because it's going to be diminishing a lot of the benefits that you could get. there's a lot of clinics that do lower dose chemos. So it's like it's
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Mm-hmm. Like IPT. Yeah.
Lori (:Exactly. But ideally without the insulin. I've seen really great effects where it's like twenty percent of the chemotherapy, but they go in in a fasted state. They're extremely metabolically flexible, so they can respond a lot better without having to do insulin, which is driving the cancer's growth and the right, it's a growth factor. It's gonna be promoting cellular growth. So ideally not having to take insulin, but yes, being on the lowest amount of chemotherapy possible to get that desired effect.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Mm-hmm.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. Really quick on the melatonin, you're saying it's protective against some of the effects of chemo, it's protective against some of the effects of radiation. Is that the kind of thing that it's only protective when you do it right as you're receiving those treatments? Or if you use melatonin, you know, three months after, six months later, is it still having a positive effect?
Lori (:Well, melatonin has
I don't know exactly how many benefits, but it is actually one of my favorite things to take because at a low dose, melatonin, just say like three milligrams, can help with things like reflux. So if anyone has GERD, it can help strengthen that esophageal valve. So just really low dose of melatonin can help with heartburn. And of course, sleep and jet lag, you only need about three to five milligrams of melatonin. But when it comes to cancer support and controlling apoptosis,
Helping with serotonin, with DNA protection and prevention from mutations. It's you want to go a lot higher. So it'd be like the 60 milligrams and before scans, you'd want to do it right away because it does have a very short half-life. So melatonin doesn't, you know, stay in the system, just say like vitamin D, like a fat-soluble vitamin. It's kind of comes and goes. so you do want to be taking it as needed and the higher dose for sure during.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Mm.
Lori (:you know, various therapies or imaging. But yeah, it's something that even at low dose can be extremely protective for this system. And I wouldn't say you have to do high dose for long, but definitely around those times where you want to focus on DNA protection and rebuilding your immune system. And you don't become dependent on it either, which is really great, right? Like it's not gonna suppress your body's own production of melatonin. That's a fear that a lot of people have thinking, if I take it like it's gonna it's gonna stop my own. But it won't. It's not
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Okay. Uh-huh.
Lori (:it's not a negative feedback loop, your body will start to produce it again.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah, and people aren't getting insanely groggy. Like I feel like melatonin just does not sit well with my system. So if I try sleep stuff, I try to get it without melatonin. But so and that's and that's just like a standard small dose. So I'm thinking, gosh, if you're taking 60,000 milligrams, are people just groggy out of their minds?
Lori (:So you know what's so fascinating about that? There is a genetic variation that affects how your body clears out melatonin because I get the exact same thing as you where the whole next day, no matter what I do, how much fresh air I get, even like how much coffee I drink, anything, I'm just a bit of a zombie. And that
ha that happens to me as well. So I always have to weigh out, you know, is this a day that I can just relax and I don't have my brain doesn't have to be like fully on because yeah, melaton is so beneficial for so many things. But some people, they refuse to take it actually because they they don't that
side effect doesn't go away. One of my friends who compounds melatonin at extremely high dose, she told me that you need to take it for seven days. after the seven day mark, your body can start to get accustomed to it and you don't have those negative side effects. yeah, and some patients have told me that too, that you know, they did it for the first three days that they had that grogginess and like, I feel awful. I can't live my life like this. and then they continue taking it 'cause they knew the benefits and they no longer
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:interesting. Okay.
Lori (:have that negative grogginess side effect. I only lasted to like day three where I'm like, I can't, I can't. So I'll take it for sure when I fly. if I am to ever I don't generally get scans, but if I know that there's things that are stressing out my system, I would take melatonin. And you can take it during the day too. So it's not something you just have to do at night. You can take it really anytime.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah, yeah, I love that. 'Cause I mean, and also these scans are happening during the day. You're you're doing most of this stuff during the day anyway. So yeah.
Lori (:Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So most people don't feel it right away if it's during the day because it's really the combination of the dark room and melatonin that makes you tired. So you shouldn't feel exhausted you're not gonna pass out if you take it during the day essentially.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah, yeah. Okay. And then the last main conventional treatment that we know about is surgery. And again, this might seem to the audience like, yeah, it's affecting, you know, the external tissue. It might affect that small site, but what might be some deeper symptoms or ways or imbalances that invasive surgeries can create?
Lori (:So you wanna be careful because any type of surgery can actually stimulate growth factors in the body. So even a surgery that has nothing to do with a specific cancer location, even if it was something, you know, like
I'm getting surgery on my nose or surgery on my toe, like anything that is, you know, cutting open the body, the body starts to go into this protective response mode. So it increases something called VEGF, VEGF, that's gonna stimulate how new blood vessels are growing, how inflammation is happening, tissue repair. And so you think about with cancer, we do not
want that ever. We do not want there to be excess blood vessels going to the site and we do not ever want inflammation. So if you are going through any type of surgery, whether it's for the cancer itself or for any other part of the body, you want to go into a surgical protection mode where one of the most popular ones is taking something called modified pectin, modified citrus pectin, because that can reduce
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Mm. Mm-hmm.
Lori (:That can basically help lower the chances of mets or things moving around in the system. And that would be done like a good week before the surgery. And you could take that even like six weeks after just to lower the risk of future growth. So things like that where with my patients I give complete protocols saying, okay, if you are going into a surgery, these are the things to help.
you know, support collagen production and to support tissue repair to help your immune system lower risk of infections. And then once you're done the chemo or sorry, once you're done the surgeries, then how your system can repair faster and support that tissue without stimulating excess growth. So that's a really good point. Anyone going through surgery, just have that in mind that it is a major stress on the system, even
subconsciously, right? Even if you feel like, no, it's a simple, they're just gonna go in and do this, you're still gonna be on various medications potentially, maybe on antibiotics, certain things, right? Just as like precautions. Sometimes they're not even indicated. They just have this algorithm of like, here's this cocktail of drugs that you need to have that everyone does. So they all will have their side effects and knowing how to combat those.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Right.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. Yeah.
Lori (:those side effects and to support the system. So you are lowering risk and supporting healing.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah, it's really powerful because it's, I mean, it makes a lot of sense, right? We've literally cut open tissue, we've removed something, so the body goes, no, damage. We need to replicate cells to be able to repair what happened here. But I think the point you're making is that cellular replication can happen across all the cells in the body, cancer cells included, not just the good ones.
Lori (:Exactly. It's a whole systemic effect. And when you had your conversation with Bruce Lipton as well, it's exactly that biology of belief, right? Like just that subconscious thought of how even just the way that you're thinking, how that impacts your healing and what is going on on a systemic level, it's not always just pinpointed to that one specific location.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Mm-hmm. In our at my the medical facility, my office is inside of, we have a whole frequency medicine team. And part of what they also do is we know that scar tissue is not electrically conductive. So when people are having all of these surgeries for maybe completely different things, it's changing the flow of energy in the body. It's disrupting the meridian system and how things are being sent about.
And so part of what some of the treatments we have is like the mead analysis and then the biomodulator. And so we'll have patients come in who are have have all of their scars treated. And this treatment makes that tissue electrically conductive again. So, but it's so fascinating because I I have a very, very dear loved one who just got diagnosed with eye cancer three weeks ago. And it's a, you know, we're we're piecing the puzzle together. I've got him in with.
My whole integrative team. Of course, conventional oncology says, like, we need to get you in to radiate your eyeball immediately. Incredibly invasive, incredibly damaging to the eye. So we're gonna try and avoid that at all costs while also being discerning. But we're piecing his puzzle together of what's imbalanced, what's in your body that shouldn't be there, what's not there that really should.
Lori (:I'm sure.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:But it's very fascinating because he has had an inordinate amount of surgeries. And so what you're saying to me is is like really making a lot of sense for him in that surgeries for all different things, you know, hips, a hand injury, a this, that. But they all start to add up and how every time he's had those surgeries, and also he had like a really major surgery a year before this diagnosis.
Lori (:Yeah.
Lori (:Yeah. Yeah.
Lori (:wow. Right? Yeah, exactly. And so looking at even the timing of when the surgery happens, I know that it's very much algorithm-based of like, when is the doctor available? And that is when you're going to do the surgery. But for females, for example, if they're in their follicular phase of their cycle, if they're still menstruating and they're the beginning phase of their menstrual cycle, there's gonna be higher
Growth hormones, there's higher estrogen, and so estrogen is a proliferative hormone as well. And so ideally, someone who is still getting their cycle, they would want to plan that surgery around the luteal phase. So, like right before they're supposed to get their period again, where progesterone estrogen would be at the lowest. So looking at various growth factors, another one would be
fasting routines too. So you want to make sure that your fasting insulin is low and so you're lowering the chances of when you are going through the surgery that it's not in a condition where all these growth factors are higher, inducing later stressors on the system and growth factors. So yeah, depending on which therapy they end up doing, there's always ways that we could help support protect the body and going in, whether it's a modified fast or whether it's
you know, fa fasting mimicking, water fasting. there's so many different types of fasts that someone could do, especially if they're low muscle mass or just say they're really underweight. We don't want to be throwing them into a fast right before a surgery. Obviously we want to be supporting building up their system so they can tolerate and then talking about fasting maybe down the road.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Mm-hmm. Again, a time and a place for everything. And just because something is good does not mean it's good all the time. We need to be really discerning and nuanced. Mm-hmm.
Lori (:Exactly. Exactly. And same with radiation and surgery too. It's like
Is that surgery absolutely necessary? Is it pushing up on a vital organ? Is it something that, you know, the risk of mets is so high where they have a really high Ki-67 score and the proliferation rate is extremely through the roof? Then yes, in an aggressive cancer, maybe that is the time to be doing a surgery that is very invasive, but the risks or the benefits are outweighing the risks. So you're right. But I've I see this all the time. I had a patient where she had Crohn's disease.
And she was told she's in her 30s, and she was told by the surgeon, you know, you have to just remove your colon. And she's like, she's like, I feel like there's other things that I should do first, you know. And I'm like, well, you know, you ask a surgeon and they're gonna say, cut. Like that's that's the answer you're gonna get. You're not gonna, you know, what did you kind of expect, right? Like, but it felt very aggressive, and she's like, there's gotta be other things.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:my god.
Lori (:So when we looked at, you know, what did she eat in a day, how inflamed her system was, what is going on that's making her colon and her immune system so confused and inflamed, for her, we ended up doing a lot of metabolic healing and fasting routines and cleaning up her diet. She ended up losing a good 80 pounds. And she never had to have her colon removed. So you think about that of, you know, the the ignorance of a lot of doctors just being like, well.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Wow.
Lori (:You know, maybe they assume I I don't think so, but maybe they assume that they've already tried everything naturally and nothing's working. So okay, you're coming to a surgeon, this is kinda like your last resort thing, but in medicine it doesn't seem to be the case, right? It's like, okay, let's do the most aggressive thing first. And then, you know, if that doesn't work, then maybe try everything else. It's like s it's so opposite. So yeah, I do see that people that are given these like really aggressive treatment plans that is
taking out body parts, not looking at anything before, you know, going into these aggressive therapies. It's like that didn't affect the root cause of why you even have that issue in the first place. So yeah, this patient now I see her quite regularly and she's doing amazing, you know, and she's now her partner is following the same type of meal planning and like eating wise and like healthy lifestyle choices. She's like, wow, like that was absolutely insane that she wouldn't have a colon if she
Just listen to what her doctor said, right? And a lot that's the issue. A lot of patients just feel, okay, you're the authority. You are the doctor that I should be listening to. You know the best for my body, right? And their autonomy is completely removed and they go through these extremely horrifying situations that you can't take back. So I hope people listening to this podcast are empowered. And I'm sure you attract that type of demographic where they ask.
better questions, say, what else? And always ask me why. Like why is this happening? What else can I do? How else can I support my body? How can I protect it from all these negative things that could be happening and start really changing day by day? But getting that information is so, so key.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. And so we've already started to speak towards this, but here's where it's now, okay, you're on the other side of cancer. Maybe you have you're in remission, you're NED, no evidence of disease, but you're feeling awful. And we've just explained some of the reasons why you might be feeling awful. And you want to start to repair. So when those patients come to you, what is the starting point for them to start to figure out what's going on and how do we repair?
Lori (:Yeah, so in this day and age, I feel like a lot of people have tried everything from what they see online, right? They're like, I've tried the methylene blue, and you know, I now fast for 14 hours a night or 16 hours, or you know, I've cut out sugar, I've cut out the inflammatory things that like dairy and gluten, you know, they've tried a lot of things, which is really amazing. You know, I think about 17 years ago when I started practice, it was like, what?
I have to remove sugar. Like it was like
mind blown, but now it's a totally different situation where a lot of people do come to me saying, like, I've tried all of these things, you know, nothing seems to be working. My hormones are all over the place. I've gained 20 pounds. I'm so tired all the time. I have this brain fog. I can't even like figure out what I'm trying to say or I'll go into a room and like why am I even there? I forget what I was supposed to be doing. Right. And so they come to me saying, you know, there's gotta be more that I can do. I've my blood work has been told to be normal.
yet I feel anything but normal. And so usually the standard blood work does not test for even a quarter of the things that I would look at. So for example, a lot of the patients that I see are extremely low in vitamin D. So that's like such a simple thing that someone could replace, like to be taking. And if they are, if they're already taking vitamin D and their levels are still low, then we want to look at how are they metabolizing fats.
So it's a fat-soluble vitamin. So we want to make sure that you're taking things to support liver and bile production and how your body's actually absorbing that. And so, or some people could even take it through injection. So just say I've seen where levels are extremely low in this demographic where we need to get like 50,000 to 100,000 IUs of vitamin D3 for multiple weeks in a row just to get them out of baseline healthy and normal. So some people need that. And
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah.
Lori (:That low vitamin D affects, you know, depression and risk of infections, risk of future cancers for all cancers across the board, you know, and so it's no longer just a marker of osteoporosis or just bone health. It really is mental health, immune system, even how hormones are being produced in the system. So anyone with a hormonal imbalance needs to check vitamin D status because that's such an important precursor.
The other thing I look at is hormones through urine metabolites. So just getting hormones through a blood panel, most of the time they're completely healthy and normal. So you can get it done through your doctor and they say, Yep, levels look fine. You're like, well, I have no libido and I have hot flashes and I'm so anxious and irritable and you know I just feel so depressed. And like, nope, you're good. Blood work, blood work is good.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:wow, okay.
Lori (:Right. And so that's very confusing. We're like, is this, you know, in my head? I've seen where divorces have happened because they're like, I cannot stand even my partner chewing. They're so irritable and I'm so they don't love me and I'm so sad. I'm like, that's because you have absolutely no estrogen, you have no progesterone, your hormones are completely squashed, right? And even cortisol too, you think about years of stress and anticipation for scans and all the therapies that they've gone through.
completely burnt out. So of course if you have low cortisol, you're going to be completely exhausted. Anything in the day will make you feel more stressed out. It's like your baseline of what you can tolerate is you don't have any tolerance for anything, right? It's like you're I that's I'd say the most common pattern where after cancer therapies, there's just no reserves left. Right?
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Mm-hmm.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Wow. Yeah. Yeah. 'Cause you were just on high alert for so long.
Lori (:For so long and it still happens now where it's like this subconscious, anytime, you know, the doctor calls, it's like it's you know, and I had a patient recently who had they had like a a cyst in their like a ganglion cyst in their wrist, but they didn't know what it was, and so they went to the doctor and they're like, Yeah, it could be cancer, but let's check. And then it ended up being just like this benign cyst. But I'm like, What? But that language and you know, triggering and even just the thought of like
Is that cancer? Like why would you say that? Why why would you talk to me like that?
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Completely. Yeah. You completely. I have I have clients, you know, when when clients come to me for the emotional side of the journey, yes, in the moment, if they're in an active diagnosis, it's how do we support you during this diagnosis? How do we look at emotional contributors to disease? But often I'll have patients come after once they're all clear and go, now we need to go process the trauma of cancer.
Lori (:Right.
Lori (:Yes.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:And when we do that, that hypervigilance, right? That like, no, my knee's hurting. Is it cancer? I had a headache today. Is it cancer? Ooh, I've been bloated for a couple of weeks in a row and fatigued. Is it cancer? I find that when we go back and process the the experience of cancer itself, a lot of that hypervigilance can settle.
Lori (:Mm-hmm.
Lori (:Exactly. And learning even what cancer is, right? They're just signals that the body needs attention and support in different ways. So looking at
Hormones, if someone was really low in estrogen and progesterone, causing all these various symptoms, most commonly someone would have a hormone-dependent cancer type, right? So the last thing they want to be doing is taking estrogen or taking progesterone that can stimulate future growth. So this is where getting your hormones checked is really important to understand what are the actual metabolites of estrogen, like how much are you actually using, and what is the the good versus the bad estrogen.
Because there's various types of estrogen, so it's not all bad. And we need estrogen for brain health and bone health and mood and libido and so many functions of estrogen. So it's not a vic it's not a a negative thing in general. So there's ways to support the body with healthy estrogen and progesterone production without taking a bioidentical or something just to like stimulate that level. So understanding what the good and bad, like the different types of metabolites are and what that ratio looks like can really help support health.
How we can create a treatment plan that's not aggravating a future cancer growth.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. Well, it's so important too. And I c I can't tell you how many clients I have who experience breast cancer who are on a hormone blocker or I'm thinking of another client who is, you know, being told to start a hormone blocker and she's so afraid to. And she's putting it off and putting it off because of the side effects that she's heard about and is it safe? Is it not safe? If I do it, I'll have these side effects. But if I don't, could the cancer come back and it's this whole storm.
Lori (:Hmm. And I see that all the time as well. And I am very much of the belief that if we can
Block not block, but if we can metabolize and support your hormones naturally without completely squashing them altogether and collect the data and understand what your body is producing and metabolizing and using, if we can do all of that naturally, then that could reduce the need for a lot of these medications. And so you don't want to just go into that blindly saying, like, I don't want to be on a hormone blocker. However, I have one patient who takes
a quarter amount of the of tamoxifen and she actually does it every three days. We check her hormones. She's been in remission for now eight years. Like she's doing fabulous, right? And so it's more of this unique personalization of, you know, checking what is going on with her hormones versus just, yes, everybody needs to be on this ten milligram dose, right? And also looking at your genetics too of how
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Mm. Wow.
Lori (:breaking up this drug. Some people break it up really quickly. And so then they can tolerate the normal dose of tamoxifen. Or sometimes it has no effect at all because they metabolize it so quickly. Right. Whereas some people it's slow metabolizers. So they only need to take it every other day or a quarter of the time. And so wouldn't that be so nice if all these drugs were personalized based on our genetics and testing and saying like, hey, like, you know, I'm getting horrible side effects from this and I've
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Right.
Lori (:bone and joint aches and I my quality of life is completely destroyed instead of you know feeling patients feeling like they have to make a choice of like, you know, being cancer free and living with this horrible quality of life, you know, there's there is the middle ground. And that is what personalized metabolic health is, right? It's who you are, like what does this drug mean to you and how can we support integrating that into a plan where you can still feel really healthy and that's possible.
But still looking at all of the reasons of why was your estrogen high in the first place? Right? Like what was going on in your environment? Where why were you not breaking it up? What are you exposed to? Were you, you know, infused with all these various plastics in your environment or hormonal meats or things that your body just could not tolerate? So asking those questions of why is it off and not just assuming this drug is going to be you know, it's not having to change anything else in your body.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. Well, to your point, that's bioindividual medicine. That's going it's not a one-size-fits-all. And in fact, if we know what we're tracking, we can really curate. And maybe we are still using this drug, tamoxifen or whatever the other hormone blockers, but we're using it in a whole different way. To that end, I love a DIY, but that's not the kind of thing you want to DIY yourself at home. You really to be able to get that level and to do it confidently and I think not have the fears of.
I'm DIYing this tamoxifen thing, what's gonna happen? Doing that with a doctor who knows what they're doing. So you know, it's not a guesswork, you know.
Lori (:Hundred percent. yes. And I'm the t like I get it because I am totally the type of person like I just want to try everything if I hear something's good for me. Like I haven't jumped on the peptide train. You know, that's something I have not tried. But for the most part, I wanna try it all because I wanna feel better and I want to understand. But I also collect my data like no one's business. Like I'll I'll check my blood work every
Three months. I'll run trials on myself. in the clinic, we run these deep healing retreats where we put someone into therapeutic levels of ketosis and we check your ketones in the morning, check your glucose in the morning, and we see how your body is shifting and your metabolic health is shifting, even after two to five days. So I'll run these experiments on myself as well and make decisions and personalizing what supplements and what my plan should look like based on this data. So there's ways that you can get
You can get this data on the spot. So you're not having to, you know, wait another three months to say, like, should I be taking this? Should I be doing this? You can collect the data, make these decisions and even a month later recheck to say, you know, is this something that's helping me or is actually this stressing out my body creating more stress and something that I should be completely avoiding?
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. So for the sake of time, I'm gonna try and bring in these last two questions super quickly. So we could go deep. We could go a whole nother hour into when a patient comes to you after cancer, how what tests are you doing? What treatments are we doing to repair? I think the so that the short answer though is when some when those patients come to you is the starting point those 5D deep healing retreats. Is that kind of the starting point like across the board for your patients?
Lori (:It is the 5D intensive is the reset that I believe everybody on planet Earth needs. It is a type of deep healing process that is not honed in on just the symptoms that you're experiencing or just the cancer or just the, you know, the immune imbalance or just the hormones or just the gut symptoms that you have. It really is looking at all of the detox organs and opening up those detoxification.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah.
Lori (:Pathways and it's a way to get your body metabolically flexible in the quickest amount of time. And so when we see anybody with a chronic health condition, you can pretty much assume that they're insulin resistant. So if there is a high amount of insulin, which is higher on cancer cells, and if there's an issue with how they're dealing with sugars, the best way to help reverse that or to support that is through a therapeutic fast.
So having supervised experience where we can look at your levels of sugar in the morning, we could see, you know, what should your fasting schedule look like and how can we support your body to be less insulin resistant? So to be able to make ketones, which are so important for immune function, for mental health, for how much energy you have, and it's the cleanest source of fuel that you can get. So with anyone that has had a cancer diagnosis or gone through these various types of therapies.
we can we can assume that there is high amount of metals, they may have chronic infections, they may have, you know, mold, all the things that we've talked about, and their body's so overburdened with all the things. So testing is number one. We need to know like where are we honing in?
But the second part is really supporting how our body detoxes and cleans up, like getting our lymphatic system moving, making sure that we're getting nutrients in. Every hour and a half, they're taking something where you don't actually have to, they're not stressed out about it because it's the nurse coming like, swallow this, take this. They can just lie there and, you know, they don't really have to do much of the work. They can say, This is what my plan looks like.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Mm.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah, huh.
Lori (:based on my data, based on, you know, what my goals are, and we constantly check what the body composition looks like as well. So the data was we're collecting regularly where you could see fat mass, cellular health, you know, tissue inflammation and seeing how, you know, if their muscle mass is really low, maybe we need to support them with higher amino acids throughout the week.
So they're not losing more muscle mass. So often too, if someone is cachectic or low muscle mass, it's an inflammatory issue. So we know by supporting them with nutrients that bring down inflammation that that cachexia issue isn't as bad. So it really, these five days are a way for us to understand the person so well. It's like a nine to five job that they're experiencing dedicated just to their healing process. So the data first.
supporting detox, getting into therapeutic ketosis. And then by day five, they have this plan that is so personalized to them and based on their genetics, all their hormones and their blood work and all of the metabolic data that we have that we could say, okay, now for the next month, this is what your plan is going to be. So we have this whole integration plan as well. So we're not just like, bye, good luck.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. Yes. Completely. Well, I love that. And it's getting them this super deep reset to start so that they can go off. But what I love about this is the level of data collection and biometric collection you're able to do with them in person over five days gives you so much information to be able to create that hyper individualized protocol for them after.
Lori (:Exactly. Because you think about especially with cancer, you would think if someone has a stage four cancer, you would want to blast their system with all of the oxidative therapies to help kill cancer, right? Like create these peroxides and to go into this apoptosis where the program cell death can help support how cancer cells,
essentially going to go into death. So you would think that's what the week should be, where it's like, let's go into this attack mode. However, when we collect the data, sometimes people are so inflamed, especially after chemotherapies, that if we keep pushing, it's like adding more fuel onto a fire. Their system is going to be so so much more inflamed, they may not be able to tolerate it. So often we'll say, okay, the first five days is going to be about antioxidant support.
Low dose vitamin C, maybe mistletoe, all the things that are just nourishing and replenishing. And if they had radiation, maybe doing all the B vitamins, like all these things that are in a personalized nutrition bag. And then week two would be more about the cancer therapy, or I can't say cancer therapies technically. So I want to say, you know, the things that support your body and how it sees cancer. but that we have to personalize it like that. So it definitely is not a one-size-fits-all.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Mm-hmm.
Lori (:program which is I so important that nobody goes into a cancer therapy s center or any kind of healing center that is like very cookie cutter because you can definitely do more harm than good.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And so what does that look like? How can people find more information on those retreats? And is are they located in Canada? And how does that work for out of country patients?
Lori (:Yes. And so I am licensed, I'm a licensed doctor in Ontario. And so I can only do consults and devise treatment plans when you're physically in Ontario. However, I have an amazing team that can support and you know collect all the data. But the other work the way workaround is working through another practitioner. So if someone who's listening is just say in California or in the States or anywhere just say in Europe, they can have their own primary care provider.
and I consult. So we can I can talk through another medical provider and they could be the ones giving the plan. So there's definitely workaround. So if anyone is interested in what this healing process looks like, if they would be a good candidate for it, then we can plan a discovery call, which is completely free just to see, you know, what would that look like? The other thing that I've been doing is because I moved to Mexico a few years ago, I mean there's no
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Mm-hmm.
Lori (:place better on earth to heal your nervous system and to support healing on such a deeper level that Mexico would also be an option. So I talk about that on these discovery calls if someone's able to travel and to do healing in that in the jungle.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah.
Yeah, I mean I wanna go do your five day healing retreat.
Lori (:Yeah, it's really like it doesn't you don't have to have a diagnosis or you don't have to be in active treatments, right? It could be you just want to feel healthier and we get that too where it's like I want to just have more energy or I want to like whatever the motivation would be, like get out of this arthritic pain that I've been feeling, or I wanna sleep better at night. I feel like it could doesn't you don't have to even have a reason. It's like I just want to feel healthier. Amazing.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. Yeah, completely. Okay. Do I have time to ask one selfish question about the MRI? MRI. Okay. This is completely selfish because I have my yearly MRI coming up for you know, for the breast cancer screening. And like I said, I have to do the gadolinium. So I have to take like a prednisone and a benadryl and I have to do this whole protocol. And so you were saying like there's kind of something you you like client or patients to do.
Lori (:Yeah.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Like leading up to that, the day of, and then maybe a couple weeks after. And are you able to share what some of that is?
Lori (:Mm-hmm.
Yeah, like yeah, I'm wondering I have a whole hand. I wonder if I give that as like a free Yeah, I could give like the exact how someone could prepare for that and then afterwards like exactly how to basically flush it out of the system. why don't we do that? Yeah. Yeah, and then you can review like I'll put that disclaimer there that review it with your, you know, your doctor and make sure that you're not
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:that'd be so fun. Yeah.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. That'd be amazing. That's perfect. Time saving, efficient.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Exactly.
Lori (:taking anything that's not indicated, but absolutely, I could share that. Yeah, that would be really helpful.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:That'd be amazing. Yeah, that would be so fun. And that like I said, that's a little bit selfish because I I have that coming up and I've done I've done some things. Like I know there's heavy metals in that gadolinium and so but I don't think I'm doing enough to because I s I just feel so awful. So
Lori (:Yeah, and have you ever tested to see if the levels are high in your urine?
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:I haven't touched with heavy metals in a long time, so I am due to check in with that.
Lori (:Okay. Yeah, because there's a way like you could just see how how high they are, but for sure the protection protocol is good for everybody anyways, right? It's like how long you would need to do it for or what what the doses would be. But something that's funny on that note is I had a friend who had hormonal issues and she's like, I just went into Chat GPT and I wrote, What would Dr. Lori Bouchard do?
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Mm-hmm.
Lori (:for my hormones and how you know, she listed all the symptoms that she had and it came up with this pretty amazing treatment plan. I'm like, wow, this world So like you could always test that out too. Go into ChatGPT. What would Doctor Laurie do to tell someone
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:my god.
Lori (:But I will give like exactly what I would tell someone as far as protection plan. but I just thought that was so funny in like this world that I'm like, you're my friend. You could have just asked me. She's like, I just wanted to know. I just wanted to know on the spot and like what would you say? And she's like, it was amazing. She's like, I got this fabulous plan.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:My gosh.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. my gosh. Well, even preparing for our interview, I was like, can you go like check out all the books she's written and everything she's talked about on this topic and give me, you know, some questions you think might be really worth asking. Now we went on like a wholly different topic today, but it like was able to pull it, you know, so much of conversations you've had before and your angle and your perspective. So it's fascinating and it's a great tool when used in the right way for sure.
Lori (:Yeah.
Lori (:Right. So much time saving for you. And you must love being a podcaster because you can just like the all the knowledge that you've collected over the years, right?
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:I know. Yeah. my God. It's so fun. It's the most fun. So okay. Well, we will. Let me see this in there really quickly. Yes. But I also know that that information is really helpful for a lot of people. So that'll be fun to we'll we'll link the handout in the show notes or something for them. Yeah. Amazing. So we'll make sure it's linked in the show notes, but can you let people know where to go to find more information, to book a discovery call?
Lori (:And it's a time to be selfish, right? It's a time to be like, well, for me, what would you do for this? I love it.
Lori (:Yeah, yep, we can do that.
Lori (:Yes. So if you want to learn more about how we can work together, you can go to drlori.ca, drlori.ca, and you can book a free strategy call. The other thing you can download for free is the ultimate cancer screening guide, which goes through a lot of the lab work that I feel everybody, not necessarily if you even had a cancer diagnosis, but anyone wanting to improve their metabolic health can benefit from. And I will also talk about how you can protect your system.
from various scans and that will be in the show notes as well.
Leigh Ann Lindsey (:Yeah. Like I said, we'll make sure it's linked so it's really easy. Dr. Lori, thank you so much for coming back on. That was fantastic.
Lori (:This is fun. Yeah, thank you for having me.
