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Lauri Rollings worked as a lawyer for 20 years before ending up in trade associations completely by accident.
A family member of a colleague was in need of emergency help with labor negotiations and she took the job not knowing anything about construction or apprenticeships.
What she found surprised her people learning skilled trades while getting paid, graduating with zero debt, and making six figures with benefits. She couldn't figure out why more people didn't know this path existed.
After running contractor associations in Milwaukee and Portland for a decade, she started consulting on leadership development because like many industries, nobody was training people to become the next leaders.
We talk about why the biggest myth she fights is that young people don't want to work hard, how skills from unexpected places like video games or music transfer to trades work, and why asking different interview questions reveals talent that doesn't fit the farm kid stereotype.
Highlights:
- Why the myth that younger generations don't want to work hard is completely false and comes down to individual values rather than birth year.
- Why asking better interview questions reveals how someone's background in gaming, music, or other hobbies translates to skills needed in trades work.
- Why older generations expect people to earn trust over time while younger generations expect to start with trust until they lose it
- Why education systems did a disservice by removing hands-on training and pushing everyone toward college as the only path.
- Asking about best mentors or coaches helps people connect past experiences to workplace skills.
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Welcome back to the BlueCaller BS Podcast. How you doing today, Brad?
Brad Herda (:I am wonderful Mr. Doyle, absolutely wonderful. And how is Motor City Detroit?
Steve Doyle (:Motor City Detroit, you know what? We're getting ready for opening day. Football's here, let's go!
Brad Herda (:Yeah, I know and then Green Bay so God, I hope they win. I hope I hope they beat the shit out of the Packers so badly. But we'll find out why you're shaking your head. I'm a Detroit guy as well. So that's okay. Yeah. Yeah, it's they serve it anywhere.
Steve Doyle (:I know right? It's gonna be a slaughter.
Hahaha!
huh. yeah.
Lauri Rollings (:Can you see the logo on my shirt, bro?
Steve Doyle (:Yeah, they do. They do. They do. They do. They do. So Brad, obviously our guest is here. Who do we have?
Lauri Rollings (:It is a champagne of beers.
Brad Herda (:It is exactly.
Brad Herda (:We have Laurie Rawlings, former lawyer with 20 years experience providing strategic advice and solutions as an attorney. Well, she's no longer doing any of that stuff, so she's happier now than being an attorney. She has been the executive director for the Plumbing and Mechanical Contractors Association of Oregon, and then the executive director of Plumbing and Mechanical Sheet Metal Contractors Alliance here in Milwaukee. So her experiences in the blue collar world are real, and it's going to be
fun to hear some of these stories, especially the legal take on it to protect the guilty and keep the innocent innocent. Laurie, thank you for being here.
Steve Doyle (:Yes it is.
Lauri Rollings (:All right. Thank you for having me. It's real honor.
Steve Doyle (:Yeah, well you say that now. Just wait till the end. Just wait. So before we get too chatty here, Lori, which generation do you identify or fit in with?
Brad Herda (:Don't say that yet. Wait till the end, please.
Lauri Rollings (:Okay. You can edit that part out.
Lauri Rollings (:I am a proud member of Generation X. Thank you for asking.
Steve Doyle (:All right. I mean that we exclude Brad from that. He's a boomer, so we're good.
Brad Herda (:Nope. Nope, I am not. I am not. am a couple years short. A couple years short of that.
Lauri Rollings (:Are you just being mean, Steve?
Steve Doyle (:Am I what? And. And.
Lauri Rollings (:Are you just being mean?
It's very hard thing to do.
Brad Herda (:He's, yes, he's being a dick. It's okay.
Steve Doyle (:Exactly. So, Laurie, tell us tell us about the journey of going from being a lawyer to getting into the trades. Like what what happened?
Lauri Rollings (:It was total serendipity actually. So I practiced law for 10 or 11 years. And actually I was always drawn to construction cases because they are tangible and really interesting. Like I love field trips. So I really enjoyed going out to construction sites. And I spent four years as an in-house attorney for the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewerage District.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Lauri Rollings (:So I got to go on some really cool field trips like into sewers, which was really fun. Yeah, I've been in the deep tunnel. I've been in other like active sewer lines. I've obviously been to both of our wastewater treatment plants many times. So I really liked those. Yeah, exactly. Where they make Malorganite at Jones Island. So very heavily involved with that.
Brad Herda (:Yeah.
Steve Doyle (:you got.
Brad Herda (:the Deep Tunnel Project. no.
Brad Herda (:Malarganite, big happy puff.
Lauri Rollings (:So I was always drawn to those kinds of cases because they were tangible. Like I could see what was happening. It's easy to explain and understand because they're concrete kinds of things. And so I was at Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewer District, MMSD for short, for those of you who are from this area. And one of the engineers that I worked with there, his brother-in-law is also an attorney, a recovering attorney like me.
who had escaped practicing law to become the executive director of a construction contractor association of the Plumbing Mechanical Sheet Metal Contractors Alliance. And he was getting ready to retire. And he needed an emergency replacement for his associate director who had had to go out on emergency medical leave. And he was heading into labor negotiations with three different trade unions and needed somebody to help him.
And it just sounded like an exciting adventure. I didn't know anything about construction. I didn't know anything about labor law. So I went into this new adventure, not knowing anything about the trades, and I just fell in love with it. Because the more I learned about apprenticeship and
how people get paid to learn a skilled trade and then come out with no college debt out of their apprenticeships and then, you know, making six figures with pensions and great benefits. I was like, wait a minute, why don't more people know about this? Why aren't we publicizing this? So that's how I ended up working with the trades. And then I was an executive director for 10 years for two different.
mechanical contractors associations, first the one in Milwaukee, then in Portland, Oregon. And about four years ago, I launched a consulting business focused on doing leadership development for construction industry clients. Cause I could just see there were some gaps in how we train up. Exactly. Like we throw people with technical skill and expertise into managing people and we don't give them any kind of training or support.
Brad Herda (:You think?
Steve Doyle (:Right.
Brad Herda (:No, no, they do. They do. Go get it done. Handle it.
Lauri Rollings (:that terrified me as a, yeah. Yeah, so that's what I do now is I do a variety of soft skills, people skills, leadership, training and consulting for a wide variety of construction and industry clients all around the country. I love.
Steve Doyle (:Just get it done.
Steve Doyle (:Excellent. Excellent.
Brad Herda (:So how are you getting so for that second generation business that's owned by the older X or even boomer right now because grand granddad started it and we're going to transition and how are you getting by the that soft skills just bullshit stuff that's just just fucking show up at work on time do the job why do we have to teach these kids why what the
Steve Doyle (:Yeah.
Brad Herda (:Just show up and do the work. Why do we have to worry about how are you getting past that barrier to to help create better organizations?
Lauri Rollings (:Yeah, really great question. the first thing, yeah, I know, well, you are obviously a very skilled interviewer and I appreciate that. I'm an ask it sir, so.
Brad Herda (:That's what we do here. It's like 60 minutes, Laurie. You know that, right?
Steve Doyle (:Wow, wow, you know, no, no, I mean that that is literally the shit truck backing up and just filling right now. I I'm glad I have boots on.
Brad Herda (:lawyer skills butter up.
Lauri Rollings (:I used to work for the Sewerage District, man. I have a Vactor truck parked in my driveway, but I just, you know, I do it in reverse. But anyway, no, so the first thing I want to say is I've been really pleasantly surprised at how few people have that attitude, especially from that older generation, at least the ones who are in my...
Steve Doyle (:Right?
Lauri Rollings (:training programs and maybe it's because they're self-selected. But I think like you, Brad, I do a lot of work around managing multi-generational issues and multi-generational teams and multi-generational communication. So that's part of where I start is, you know, getting the older generation to think back to when they were early in their career and remember that the boomers were
Steve Doyle (:Thank
Lauri Rollings (:called hippies and self-centered and the me generation and try to remind them like that's just a phase of life. It's not a generational thing, right? Yeah, exactly. And it's like when you were in your twenties, you wanted more free time too. You you were less focused on supporting a family and more focused on work-life balance. Like maybe that's not the term you used.
Brad Herda (:Climbing the ladder.
Lauri Rollings (:And I think also like we have these generational stereotypes that, you know, it's hard to define an entire generation of people just by like the 10 to 15 year slot that they were born in, right? yeah, right. It's easy to do, but it's wrong and not helpful and constructive, right? So like you've got people within every generation who get it.
Steve Doyle (:no, it's real easy. I mean, it's easy. It's easy to do.
Brad Herda (:It's easy to do. It is.
Steve Doyle (:Yeah.
Lauri Rollings (:that we need communication and soft skills and people who don't, right? So I also focus on safety and productivity, which really, yeah, exactly.
Steve Doyle (:Okay.
Brad Herda (:Productivity? These kids aren't productive at all. They don't know what they're doing.
Lauri Rollings (:Hmm. I wonder why that is. Maybe it's because they need to be taught, right? Like that's the whole goal. Yeah, exactly. Right. Exactly. Yeah. So yeah, I try to connect with that too. Like, really? Did you know everything? The day you walked on the job? So, you know, it's part of it's partially just like focusing on, you know, really core things like
Brad Herda (:They should just know, Lori. They should just know.
Steve Doyle (:Just, just no. I mean, it's common sense.
Lauri Rollings (:listening and remembering what it was like for you when you first started and putting yourself in other people's shoes and respect. So I try to like connect everything I do to the core values that people have in the trades, right? Respect, showing up on time, working hard, being treated well and safety. And those are the key things that I just
hammer away at to try and make the connection between why we need good leadership and people skills if we want to have a safe, productive workforce.
Steve Doyle (:Go for it, Brad.
Brad Herda (:would be you Doyle this is your Carrie Carrie this would be a short little outtake for you because mr. Doyle is having a brain fart
Steve Doyle (:You
Amongst other things. No. Yeah. Amongst other things. I need a I need a I need a drink break.
Brad Herda (:You had the bio break.
Lauri Rollings (:Me too, man.
Brad Herda (:There you go.
Steve Doyle (:I need I need a drink break. No, so the question that I have with your with all of your experience, especially in the running the different associations, obviously you've seen you've heard a lot of different things around the younger generation coming into the workforce. What would you say is the one kind of like biggest myth that you had to debunk? From.
all this stuff about the young generation coming in.
Lauri Rollings (:that they don't want to work hard. I think that's a complete myth. It's a complete, yeah. You know, again, there are people of any, every generation who don't want to work hard. And there are people of every generation who do want to work hard. You can't use such a broad brush, to an entire cohort of people, right? It comes down to individual values, individual skills. Now, I mean,
Brad Herda (:100%. Sing it. Sing it.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Steve Doyle (:You
Lauri Rollings (:They've certainly had different life experiences than those of us from Jebus older, right? When I was running one of the associations, I hired a young administrative assistant and I came back from an apprenticeship meeting and I told her, it's really surprising to me how many people we interview for apprenticeships who don't know how to read a tape measure.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Lauri Rollings (:They taught us how to do that in grade school. Like it's just like reading a ruler. And she said, I don't know how to read a tape measure. I'm like, your dad's How can you not know how to read a tape measure? So like, you know, I think our education system has done a real disservice to the last several generations in terms of them more opportunities for hands-on
Steve Doyle (:Ha ha ha ha ha!
Lauri Rollings (:training and you know, shop classes and tech ed classes and that's slowly starting these. Just people are recognizing, uh-oh, you know, like we haven't been doing enough in people's, you know, primary education years to equip them for anything besides sitting in a college classroom. So, you know, it's a societal thing.
Steve Doyle (:huh.
Steve Doyle (:the
Lauri Rollings (:you know, that we share responsibility for is the older generations who've been pushing people to go to college. It's a path to success and de-emphasizing core things like construction skills and manufacturing skills and that sort of thing.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Steve Doyle (:Okay.
Brad Herda (:We reap what we sow, right? this has been, right? It's been self-created by those that own the businesses, essentially, because they had all their friends of the same age or similar age all working for them, and they didn't think about what the next steps were.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Lauri Rollings (:Mm-hmm.
Brad Herda (:So you had mentioned the trust, respect, safety, those types of things. How are you helping people understand that like the older generation you earn trust, right? Your trust bucket is empty and you make it full. On the younger generation, your trust bucket is full and you make it empty. How are you getting people to understand that that is the inverse is true here between those generations?
Lauri Rollings (:Mm-hmm.
Lauri Rollings (:Yeah, so I start with really simple basic questions. Like, I want you to think about a job where you felt respected and enjoyed coming to work every day. What was it about that job that made you feel respected? And then people just start talking about, I had a great mentor who took me...
Brad Herda (:So how do you do that with a 22-year-old who has their first job? This is their first job.
Lauri Rollings (:Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'll ask maybe a slightly different question. Like who was your best coach or mentor and why? Because a lot of times, like even if they haven't had work experience, they've had an experience as an athlete. So they had a coach who instilled trust and discipline and hard work and showing up on time to them. And there are a lot of transferable skills from athletics to
Steve Doyle (:Hmm.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Lauri Rollings (:blue collar work. So yeah.
Brad Herda (:Yeah, athletics club, drama club, whatever, whatever it is. And I guess that's why I wanted to make that transit to help our audience understand that there is a transferable piece there that the younger person may not understand. And it's your job to draw that out to make those comparisons. As the leader, not to go, you haven't done shit. So you obviously know nothing. That's the wrong approach.
Lauri Rollings (:Yeah, absolutely. And that's such a great point. You know, and I'm really glad that you threw out the example of drama club, you know, versus athletics, because not everyone participated in athletics, but that doesn't mean they can't be successful in a blue collar job. so an example that one of my good friends is the, he's a steam fitter by trade. Well, he would say pipe fitter, cause that's what they say in Seattle.
He's a training director for Seattle area pipe trades. And we co-teach a class together on workplace professionalism every year at UA inspector training firm. I know. And it's so funny because we all know exactly that's how we start the class. We're like, we understand the irony of having the two of us be tapped to teach a class called workplace professionalism. Cause we're like the least professional people ever.
Brad Herda (:So irony there, there's so much irony there.
Steve Doyle (:Yeah, a lot of my parody.
Steve Doyle (:you
Brad Herda (:Keep your pants, keep your clothes on. Let's start there.
Lauri Rollings (:Exactly. But so we this class and an example that he loves to use of like how not to let your bias toward people who grew up on a farm or like spend all their free time fixing cars or motorcycles be the only ones that you think are qualified for a career in the trades. And so he talks about how he
Steve Doyle (:Yeah.
Lauri Rollings (:and his apprenticeship committee were interviewing people. And there was a kid who came in and they asked him, you know, what are your hobbies? And he's like, I like to play video games. And he could see like all the contractors on the committee just like, let's get this guy out of here as quickly as possible. But PJ, he's like,
Brad Herda (:God.
Lauri Rollings (:understood because he likes to play video games too, but he's also a fitter. And so he's like, well, tell me about what kind of games do you play? Like, you play, you use a PC? Did you build your PC? And so like he got, he threw him out and you know, the kid told him like, actually like I built my own PC and I do this and I do that. And by the end of the interview, all the contractors on the committee wanted to hire him because they realized he would make a great HVAC service tech because of his just passion for technology and troubleshooting.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Lauri Rollings (:technical issues. So there are all kinds of transferable skills from different hobbies. know, it's not just about turning a wrench, right? There are so many different aspects to blue collar jobs that, you know, they're technical in nature. You have to be smart. You have to be good at math. You have to have troubleshooting skills. So I try to get that point across too.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Steve Doyle (:Mmm.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Steve Doyle (:So you touched on something that I know a lot of contractors fail at is, especially in the interviewing questions, is actually getting kids engaged when they don't really have any quote unquote good, like, did you, know, good experience in what they believe is the trade. And so you hit on something with the student that talked about, you know, building their computer. They had an affinity for
Lauri Rollings (:Mm-hmm.
Steve Doyle (:The video games, they're building something. So what would be one? What's one piece of advice that you would give to? Maybe it's an owner or Pearson that's doing an interview like how what's how do you engage with someone that doesn't come across quickly of having relevant experience to get them to explain a little bit more?
Lauri Rollings (:Mm-hmm.
Lauri Rollings (:Um, you know, I know that it helps to have.
supervisors and leaders who are open-minded and good at asking open-ended questions and then listening to the answers to figure out like, does this person actually have an aptitude that we can match up with a part of the trade or a part of the job? And to give them examples like that or other
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Lauri Rollings (:examples of other people who have been very successful in the trades, who did not grow up on a farm or turning a rent. Cause there, you know, there are a lot of women who are very, very successful in this trade, who are my height or smaller. And I know you can't really tell from a podcast. I'm five foot four. I'm really tiny. And actually I tower over several of
the women trades workers who are mentors and role models of mine who are really good at figuring out how to use body mechanics to lift, who are really good at using their prior life experiences to become good welders, for example. I know some people who
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Lauri Rollings (:have used their, have transferred some of their skill from sewing or playing music into working in the trades or blue collar professions. Cause there, there's a lot of overlap, you know, there's pattern recognition, there's, you know, the ability to like see a plan or design and then actually like make it into. Yeah.
Brad Herda (:Mm-hmm.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Brad Herda (:hear something, feel it, feel the vibrations, the harmonics, all of those things go into a lot of different activities.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Lauri Rollings (:Yeah, and so, know, and I also, try to highlight those stories, both, you know, in the trainings that I do, like real life examples of people who've been really successful without looking like a stereotypical blue collar worker. And I, you know, I also have my own podcast where I interview a ton of people who are doing cool things in the trades who, again, like don't look like...
the stereotypical construction worker, but if I had very successful careers, just to try to educate the general public about that.
Brad Herda (:Yeah, it's getting getting the understanding that just because it isn't shop class, tech class, those types of things, whatever STEM activity might be, whether it's robotics, whether it's the arts, whether it doesn't matter, it is all transferable in some way, or form. Every play is like a new product launch at the end of the day if you if you want to think but but most people aren't willing to take that step to go,
Lauri Rollings (:Mm-hmm.
Brad Herda (:They had to learn this every year. They had to go through set design every year. They had to go through costumes every year. Yeah, just like you're going to go through a new product or a new building or new whatever every year. They're OK with change if you give him an idea as to why the change is there. What's the purpose behind the change to change it from blue to yellow? Just because why are we doing this is a waste of time, right? Because they there's a different value of time there, so that's spectacular.
Steve Doyle (:is
Lauri Rollings (:Absolutely.
Steve Doyle (:Is this?
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Brad Herda (:Any of those guests you want to send over to this show, let us know and we can swap guests as well because there's always opportunity there because there's great stories and great success and hearing how people have created their own ladder or how they went through and became leaders and different things are all important to the audiences to hear.
Lauri Rollings (:I would love to.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Lauri Rollings (:Yeah. There's some.
Lauri Rollings (:Yeah, there are some really, really cool people out there who have amazing stories to tell. So yeah, I'll send you some of my favorites.
Brad Herda (:Awesome. All right, we're in the show for rapid fire here, Laurie. So we're gonna take off your lawyer hat. This is nothing that we kept incriminating. is nothing in it. Okay, just wanna make sure. There's always, but there's always the, right? I'm sure you're always thinking of something from a risk perspective every once in a while. It's hard to get rid of that from time to time. So what's the dumbest thing you ever heard in a meeting?
Lauri Rollings (:Okay.
Lauri Rollings (:I've taken it off long ago.
Steve Doyle (:You
Lauri Rollings (:Maybe. Yeah, yeah.
Lauri Rollings (:How much time do you have? my God, that's such a great question because I hate meetings so much because people say so many dumb things. Shit. All right, this wasn't in a meeting. Can I tell you a story from like a high school class?
Steve Doyle (:you
Brad Herda (:But.
Brad Herda (:Sure. If it's the dumbest thing, I'm great with it. Let's hear it.
Steve Doyle (:Yep.
Lauri Rollings (:Okay, all right. When I was in my high school physics class, our physics teacher was, he was explaining the concept of a vacuum to us, right? And he's like, you basically, like, you suck all the air molecules out and it just becomes, it's a complete void, right? And so if you swing a pendulum back and forth in a vacuum,
it will swing back and forth forever because there's no air resistance. And this kid raised his hand, and this is a kid who was a year older than me because I was in advanced science class. And he goes, so if you put a mouse in a vacuum, would it live forever? And I'm like, are you serious? Do you think the chief cause of death of mice is air resistance? And so like the...
Steve Doyle (:you
Lauri Rollings (:The teacher didn't even know what to say. But the most terrifying part of that story is that kid is now an engineer at Boeing.
Steve Doyle (:Hehehehehe
Lauri Rollings (:That's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Brad Herda (:That didn't go where I thought it was gonna go, but that's okay
Steve Doyle (:I mean, yeah, I was going down a way different path.
Lauri Rollings (:I could probably come up with some other dumb things people said in meetings, but nothing's nothing as colorful as that is leaping to mind.
Brad Herda (:No.
Nope, favorite blue collar skill you wish more people had.
Lauri Rollings (:Just any blue collar skills at all, honestly. Like it's terrifying to me, like people can't read a tape measure. People do not know how to do basic things around their house, like basic home repair. So yeah.
Brad Herda (:What's your go-to excuse when running late?
Lauri Rollings (:diarrhea.
Lauri Rollings (:Because that
Steve Doyle (:Nobody asked questions.
Lauri Rollings (:Exactly. It shuts down all further questioning. I've actually never used that. I've actually never used it as an excuse, but again, this is the high school related story. I had a good friend who skipped English class one day and we had a really hard ass English teacher. So the next day he's like, what am I going to tell Ms. Mertens about why I skipped class? And I said, just tell her you had diarrhea. He just looked at me like,
Steve Doyle (:Woo!
Brad Herda (:Wow, that is the boss ass lawyer move for sure.
Steve Doyle (:Right.
Lauri Rollings (:Yeah. And I was like, what? It's the perfect excuse. It shuts down all follow up questions. So anyway.
Brad Herda (:does.
Steve Doyle (:Yeah, I have diarrhea. shit myself. Nobody's asking questions.
Lauri Rollings (:Exactly. They don't they want to know less. They don't want to know more.
Brad Herda (:Correct. Coffee or energy drink.
Lauri Rollings (:Neither I drink tea, green tea, because I'm a healthy,
Brad Herda (:T, T, okay. Go to curse word.
Lauri Rollings (:FUCK
Steve Doyle (:Is there any other?
Brad Herda (:popular.
Lauri Rollings (:I, you know, I celebrate the entire repertoire. Fuck shit. You know, I like Carlin's seven dirty words. I would point out that two of them, one of them is fuck, one's motherfucker. That's technically the same word. But I like both of those words a lot.
Steve Doyle (:laughter
Brad Herda (:of all four letter word.
Brad Herda (:Yeah.
Brad Herda (:same.
Steve Doyle (:You
Brad Herda (:Okay, favorite candy.
Lauri Rollings (:I love all candy. Probably there are these dark chocolate caramels from Costco that are called Sanders. So good. They've got a little sea salt on them. Yeah, yeah, they're delicious. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brad Herda (:Mm. Mm-hmm.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Brad Herda (:See salt on top. Yeah, you could eat a whole jar though. could eat, yeah. You can have a whole $12 jar and like it's one sitting. They're awesome. Text or call.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Steve Doyle (:No.
Lauri Rollings (:I prefer a call because I'm generation X, but most people prefer text now. So I've had to adapt.
Brad Herda (:Early bird or night owl?
Lauri Rollings (:Also neither. I have like a short window of productivity between about 10 a.m. and three or four p.m. and I go to bed early and I rise late.
Brad Herda (:All right, last thing you Googled.
Lauri Rollings (:the very last thing I Googled was how to extend a display. Cause I had to disconnect one of my extra monitors and hook it up to my son's new computer. Cause the new monitor didn't arrive and I have this old Mac and I was trying to see if I could use the old Mac as another monitor. And it just, it didn't work out. Cause I'm a dork. That's the kind of thing I Google.
Steve Doyle (:Mm.
Brad Herda (:Favorite music.
Lauri Rollings (:I love all types of music. I'm like, well, you know, so I played classical music a lot in the early part of my life, but if I'm just gonna...
Brad Herda (:That doesn't mean it's your favorite.
Brad Herda (:Favorite music.
Steve Doyle (:What's your first radio preset?
Lauri Rollings (:preset, I would have to say like 60s soul.
Brad Herda (:Okay. All right. Favorite sport.
Steve Doyle (:All right.
Lauri Rollings (:Favorite sport to participate in is cycling. Favorite sports to watch would be hockey and football.
Brad Herda (:Okay, football team is.
Lauri Rollings (:The Green Bay Packers and the Wisconsin Badgers. No, too bad for you. Your life must be soul sucking and joyless if you're not fans of those teams.
Brad Herda (:That's too bad. Too bad for you. Hockey.
Steve Doyle (:you
Brad Herda (:Coffee.
Lauri Rollings (:Wisconsin Badgers.
Brad Herda (:Favorite hockey team.
Brad Herda (:Okay, that's okay. So no NHL more collegiate.
Lauri Rollings (:Only collegiate, yeah. And also the Milwaukee School of Engineering Raiders. My husband is a swim coach and currently, yeah, it's great, yeah.
Steve Doyle (:Mm.
Brad Herda (:Okay, Kern Center. It's a great cheat ice down there. Bucket list vacation location.
Lauri Rollings (:Antarctica.
Steve Doyle (:Mmm.
Brad Herda (:Living or dead, who do you want to have a conversation with?
Lauri Rollings (:Paul McCartney.
Steve Doyle (:Hmm.
Brad Herda (:Interesting, very interesting. Just because it's 2020-2025, Ginger and Marianne.
Lauri Rollings (:Ginger is so much hotter than Marianne. I'm have to go with Ginger. And also her wardrobe. So much better than Marianne's. Do you have guests who are sometimes too young to even know what you're talking about when you ask that question? Yeah.
Steve Doyle (:Thank
Brad Herda (:was. What?
Brad Herda (:yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was like, okay. I was like, all right. Yep. You know your audience. Yep. But maybe you could see it anywhere, right? That's all. So how did people find you, Lori? Where do they get ahold of you? How do they find your awesomeness and your great wit and humor at the same time?
Steve Doyle (:Yes, yes, yeah.
Lauri Rollings (:Yeah.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Lauri Rollings (:that's so sweet. I'm easy to find on my website, freerawlings.com. Unfortunately, my name is not spelled like it sounds, it's L-A-U-R-I-R-O-L-L-I-N-G-S.com.
Brad Herda (:Thank you so much for sharing your stories. And thank you for doing what you're doing in the industry to help sustain organizations, to help them be better, to attract and retain and keep moving forward instead of watching them wither away to nothingness. That's where the passion comes from and that's where we have shared interests in doing those things. So thank you so much for giving us your time today.
Lauri Rollings (:Thank you.
Lauri Rollings (:Thank you so much for having me as a guest. This was really, really fun. And thank you to the two of you for spreading the word about the great career opportunities that are out there in the blue collar world because we've got to keep spreading the message and removing the stigma because it's the only way we're going to rebuild this country.
Steve Doyle (:Mm-hmm.
Brad Herda (:That is a fact. Facts, truth. Alright, have an awesome weekend. Thanks. back to the honor, your honor.
Steve Doyle (:Facts.
Lauri Rollings (:Thank you, you two. was a real pleasure and a real honor.
Steve Doyle (:Back to
Lauri Rollings (:All right. Thank you.