Explore the intersection of generative AI and organizational culture in our latest episode. Within People partner Emily Shelton and co-founder Laurie Bennett delve into ChatGPT's potential to shape business purpose, vision, and values. Sharing their AI experimentation, they discuss the delicate balance between the convenience of AI and the human essence that drives authentic culture creation.

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Hello, and welcome to re imagining work from within.

My name's Emily Shelton, and today I'm joined by our co founder, Laurie Bennett.

We will be talking about generative AI, specifically, chat GPT, and

whether or not it can or should write your purpose, vision, and values.

It's a doozy of a topic, and we're excited to have you joining us.

How are you feeling, Laurie?

I'm feeling good.

It's great to have you on our side of the microphone for a change.

Emily's usually the person behind the scenes in the room with the headphones

on, making sure we all sound great.

But here you are.

On our team this time,

yes establishing a new level of empathy for our guests today.

And the discomfort that comes with stepping behind the mic is very real.

But I'm really excited.

I'm really excited to work, have worked on this episode and to be on the podcast.

Yeah, it's the one thing chat GPT can't do for us yet is

record podcast episodes, unfortunately, but maybe soon, hopefully not.

Well, that's kind of the theme, isn't it?

Of our conversation, which was like, are we, are we about to be.

Made irrelevant by the bots.

Are they coming for our job?

If 30% of all jobs are going to be automated in some way by 2030, so

says McKinsey, how are we going to do in the face of that as folks who

like to help people articulate their culture and can the mystical, wondrous,

scary genius that is generative AI.

Do what we do.

Mystical and wondrous is definitely something that I was feeling

in my initial workings with ChatGPT.

Like, diving in, you hear all of these people talking about it, but they're

talking about it in so many different ways that it's almost a little intimidating.

It's like, what is this thing?

And is it gonna come and take my job?

Can it do that?

We're gonna find out.

Heh heh heh.

Yeah, I had the same feeling with it, like, I think it's

worth saying that neither you nor I are in any way experts on the world of AI.

We are some lay folk who have had a play with it in the context that

we're going to talk about today.

And I, but I think there's something amazing that comes from that.

I think, I don't know about you, but.

I sort of found myself beginning to kind of talk to the, to the bot as if it was

like an, I needed to give it instructions, but after a while I was saying thank

you for the answers it gave me.

I was being polite and how I asked my questions as if somehow behind

the scenes, there was a being of some kind that needed my humanity.

It's just, it's so weirdly kind of convincing.

That it's talking to you.

Oh, absolutely.

That you

feel like you gotta talk nice back.

It praises you.

It tells you congratulations on your successful role.

And so you do feel like you have to reciprocate a little bit.

If it's being so polite, I'm gonna be kind back.

But there's also that little, like, thought in the back

of my head of like, Wow.

If robots ever take over, I'm not going to be the one that was mean to them.

So I'm going to continue to be very polite to our generative AI units personally.

I like that.

Hedging, hedging your bets just in case.

Yeah.

. . We had a play, right?

We decided what, what can it do?

You know, it's generative AI is popping up in so many different places right

now, not just in the world of business and the world of kind of the human side

of business and HR, where we've seen it writing policies, writing job ads

responding job ads in some cases But kind of how far can we take this because in

my playing with it up until now, kind of getting it to synthesize information for

me and turn that into something that's not just a, a kind of summary of something

that I'm interested in, but actually write something interesting about it.

It's, it feels like it's got a real power in that space.

And it just.

Got interesting one day to think about, hey, we spend a lot of time working

with leaders and businesses around the world, helping them articulate the

foundations of their culture, what we call a purpose framework, this kind

of holy trinity of purpose, values, and vision, these core statements

that sit at the heart of a culture and really kind of underpin the DNA of a

business which are notoriously Tricky.

To write and to come to, and for lots of different reasons, but the question we

asked ourselves was, well, how would a bot do if given the task of doing that?

So we, what did we do?

We, we dreamt up some businesses and we used our own.

And we kind of fed the bot some information about ourselves and then

set it loose to see what it could do.

We came up with a few different scenarios and we really

took the time and space to play with this tool and see how it works best,

when it works best, what language to use to get it to work best.

And yeah, the results were very interesting.

We were able to get some pretty tangible.

Purpose statements pretty usable, credible purpose statements

in a matter of a few minutes.

So yeah, do we want to, do we want to dig into that a little bit, Laurie?

Yeah, I mean, let's talk a bit about , , what did we find in

that, these are hypothetical situations in most parts some of them we sort

of tried to align a little bit like some of the clients we've worked on

and using ourselves as well as a, as a guinea pig in the process, but give me

a sense of kind of what it was like.

Asking a robot to come up with this instead of what we're more familiar

with, of kind of a room of people.

So there were definitely times where I felt like me and the

robot, we got caught in a loop.

. Interestingly, there were times where I was starting to get a little frustrated

and had to kind of pull out of what I was doing and reassess the way that

I was communicating with this tool.

We'll speak to that a little bit more.

But my initial response was, holy cow, this is wild.

So the very first thing that I did without giving it any real

information was So I had said, I am a interdisciplinary consulting

firm who needs a purpose statement.

Give me a purpose statement and that's all the information that I gave it

and it generated something very concise and like fairly usable.

I mean, if not generic purpose statement and that was with very little prompting.

So to me, yeah, yeah, that was that that blew me away.

And it does that, right?

And my understanding is it does that by kind of looking out

there into its mega brain of the internet and saying, okay, right.

What are all the purpose statements that are out there?

How are people talking about this?

And what should a purpose sound like in this space?

And, but kind of what it gave us was something pretty meaty, right?

It was kind of a few paragraphs of things talking about a

whole bunch of stuff, which.

Doesn't exactly subscribe to the within way of framing a purpose.

So we kind of used a few more prompts.

After that, didn't we, to kind of get it to shorten itself up and

get itself into the right tone.

What was the journey that you went on kind of with your bot

so I had said at the start, I work for a multidisciplinary

team of growth strategists and coaches who work alongside leaders, helping

organizations grow with intention.

As an aligned team, can you help us write a purpose statement?

And what it gave back was pretty meaty.

At Business Name, our purpose is to empower organizations to achieve

intentional growth and foster unity through our multidisciplinary team

of growth strategists and coaches.

We partner with leaders to create a shared vision, align teams,

and unleash their potential.

By providing tailored strategies and fostering a collaborative environment, we

enable organizations to thrive, driving sustainable success and positive impact

in an ever evolving business landscape.

So my next steer or prompt for chat GPT at this point was that I would

like for our statement to be concise and 10 words or less specifically.

So from there, it took us to Guiding growth, uniting teams,

empowering organizations to achieve extraordinary results.

I gave it one more prompt.

I said, we have a fairly informal culture.

Can you update the statement accordingly?

And from there it took us to fueling growth, uniting teams, achieving

extraordinary results together.

Pretty on point.

Beautiful.

Pretty beautiful.

Purpose people.

You could see that on the About Us page of interdisciplinary

consulting firm, couldn't you?

Absolutely.

And you'd think, all right, I understand what they're, what they're about.

But something I wanted to note was that if I, if we didn't know

going into this conversation with chat GPT, what we wanted the result to be.

I think that there would have been a lot more back and forth to try to

figure out how to get to that statement.

So luckily, we're professional purpose statement creators, and we knew kind of

what to do or where we wanted to steer it.

But without that prior knowledge, I think we could have gotten

lost a little more easily.

Yeah, I think you're right.

We've got a pretty specific formula for what a purpose statement needs to look

like and how a set of values , should work, what a vision statement should do.

But I think understanding those things helped us prompt and query the bots

in a way that really got us somewhere really believable really quickly.

And I think, you know, the The playing that I was doing in that space was,

first of all, kind of plugging in within and, you know, we have a purpose

statement, a set of values and a vision statement right now, of course, as we.

But it was sort of watching the way the bot interpreted what I fed into

it and played back some really kind of pithy statements that sounded

pretty fun, really, and kind of had me thinking, okay, this actually kind

of works, you know, our, our purpose that it gave us after a couple of, Of

instructions only from me was the idea of cultivating purpose led cultures

for inclusive authentic leadership and growth which is super aligned to what

we're doing and when I asked for it to Relax the language a little bit.

It said fueling purpose growth and authentic leadership in kick ass cultures

It really likes the word kickass.

Sorry.

It does.

It really likes the word kickass.

Yeah.

Continue.

I'm glad it did for you as well.

It's not just learning that my slightly weird way of saying things

is the way that things should be said.

So, you know, I think the What was interesting about it was that with so

little input and so little time, it was spitting out phrases for things

that were extremely compelling.

The kind of thing you've seen on websites of companies that have

invested thousands of dollars and thousands of hours sometimes in, Coming

up with these kinds of statements.

And in some cases, I think the stuff that, that the bot came up with

quickly actually sort of scanned a little better and sounded a little

better, even than purpose statements that I've seen out in the world.

Definitely.

Which really leads us to ask, look, is this a.

A viable way to start working on these elements of your culture in your company.

Kind of think of the time saving there would be for your executive.

Think of, oh my gosh, of what you could spare yourself of these convoluted,

sometimes difficult, challenging, soul searching conversations that happen inside

teams to, to yield this kind of statement.

In the human process that we tend to run,

right?

No, I mean, absolutely.

Even thinking about the way that this is able to sift through information.

If you were able to do some sort of large team survey and then have chat

GPT sift through your data, what would it be able to pull out for you?

I think, I think it could be a really helpful and useful support tool, but.

We're missing one main ingredient or one big piece and that's the people and the

people's stories and the life experience that an individual brings to the table.

Did you feel that in, in what you were getting back from Chat GPT?

You can't help but know that, right?

And as you know, we've been doing this work for a decade and if you asked me

what the most important ingredient.

in this recipe ought to be?

The answer would be people.

And the conversation and the belief system and the motivation and inspiration

and passion and humanity that comes from their experiences and what they

want to grow in their organization, you know, that's the, that's the stuff

that makes the words more than words.

And I couldn't help feeling as we were going through the process with

the bot that the words sounded great.

They, they, it was something that was clearly missing from behind them, which

was, I didn't have any sense of Where those words were coming from, what

they really meant to people, you know, ordinarily when we go through a process

of working on a purpose statement or a set of values, there's people's

voices and emotions and, and cares and hates that sit in those words for

you by the time you get to that point.

And it felt a little empty.

Yeah.

Hollow.

That was the word I was going to use.

Absolutely.

And it's.

The, the process of getting those values and getting to those purpose,

that's what helps align a team too.

It's airing of those feelings and those grievances and those, this is what

works and this is what doesn't work.

That's how you then together are able to co create something that

actually represents you and the business that you're trying to create

versus just spitting out some pretty words that might feel on brand.

But who's backing them?

Like, where's the why?

Yeah.

Yeah, I think that as we were going through it, you and I were chatting

about an analogy for what it feels like and what we came up with was that kind

of the difference between a barbecue, for example, or a meal that's been

sort of, the love's been put into it, it's the, Food's been cooked slowly

in the smoky barbecue, there's been love and emotion put into it versus

something that you kind of peel out of a packet and throw into the microwave.

You know, both of them, both of them contain nutrients, but the impact of one

and the experience of consuming one over the other will be completely different.

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah, I'm from North Carolina originally born in Charleston,

South Carolina and I was going to ask you, Laurie, have you ever been

to like an all day barbecue where someone broke out the smoker at 8am?

I have.

Oh really?

And it's, I have, not sadly in Carolina, that would be the place to do it, but

not only have I done that, but I've.

I've become mildly obsessed with the idea of it and watched sort of the, those shows

where people compete at that kind of thing as well and where you, you know, this

isn't just a way of feeding yourself but a kind of whole identity and sense of.

It's a ritual.

It's a heritage.

It's, it's passed down through generations.

It's not just about like the cut of meat or the spices that you use, but it gets

down into like the type of wood chips that you're using and when and why.

So like, it's really somebody putting thought and care into

every step of the process.

And to me, that just felt like that is a great analogy for the work that we do.

We put.

Love and care into every step of the way.

And if we have this chatchy BT version, yes, it looks like barbecue,

but it doesn't have that hickory smoke or that really thoughtful

seasoning or the massaged in olive oil, you know, it's just microwaved.

Yeah.

Yeah, and I, you know, that led us to the question of, look, I think, I think

it's fair to say the kind of conclusion of our play here was you can write a

super convincing purpose statement, set of values and vision statement in

a remarkably short amount of time, not entering a whole bunch of data into the

system that would at face value, Looked like a really compelling, convincing

and possible purpose framework to underpin a culture in an organization.

And that was kind of mind blowing.

And at the same time, my advice and our advice and conclusion at

the end of it was don't do this.

And not just because we don't want the bots to take our jobs, but.

There's something fundamental missing from this process, and that is the people

and the process and the journey that teams and leaders go on in, in actually

going through the process of finding this language and crafting this language for

themselves from their own experiences is Is the hickory smoke, and the love,

and the time that's invested, and you don't get to just shortcut those things.

I'm so sorry, Laurie.

I have a dog that's barking.

I'm gonna go get him before we start hearing him on the mic.

And the barking dog is called Drolls.

Drolls.

Right, which again, again, if you were going to.

Like, how do you tell me you're from the South without telling

me you're from the South?

Oh my gosh, and

I actually found out over the weekend, so we had already

been working through this, and we had already written our article

and used this, this metaphor.

I found out over the weekend that one of our buddies from North Carolina

is now doing barbecue competitions.

He's literally traveling the South.

He's been in Arkansas and Kentucky, and he's going to win!

Christian Maloney, shout out to you!

Yeah, so we're, we're really coming from the land of barbecue over here.

Oh my goodness.

Okay.

. So, Laurie, we know, we know what not to do.

We know we shouldn't do this.

Why?

What are the real reasons here?

Yeah, I think we.

I came up with three of those when we were thinking about it, of what would, what's

really missing from this way of working into purpose and values and vision, these

core parts of your culture, if you're going to ask a bot to do it for you.

Which I know probably sounds reasonably obvious at face value, but I think there's

something in working in this way that really highlights what's so important

about this work and the process for doing it IRL, I guess, with real human peeps.

And I think the first one of those was that the power of this is in the people

and in the humanity that these kinds of statements need to Encapsulate and

symbolize and represent, you know, the purpose statement doesn't, isn't just

a business is why it's a representation of what the people in that business

are most passionate and committed to doing in the world and what, how

they want to serve other people in some way in society that to support

them to To operate in a certain way.

A set of values is a contract between people about how what we expect of

each other and how we will show up for each other and what makes us successful

in how we work with each other.

In that way, so to, to pull those people, pull people out of the equation

just simply doesn't make sense.

And I think if you take the people and the process away, you lose the

opportunity to cause a conversation in your team and in your business

that's about surfacing this diversity of imagination, of passion, of like, I

thought I said soul searching earlier.

I think there is an aspect of that of really starting to get down to, well, why

am I here and how, what's most important to me about the way that we work with

each other and where do we want to go?

So you're pretty.

spectacularly missing the point of the exercise if you miss

out on those conversations.

It's those stories and beliefs and convictions that come from real

people that fill the words that you finish up with, with meaning.

You know, one of the things that we always say when we're working with

clients, especially around purpose was the objective here is not to

create something that sounds sexy.

We're not building a marketing slogan or a tagline for our brand.

We need something that sounds true and that when we speak it, it actually kind

of reaches back into what we care about most and communicates that back to us.

And when we get to hear what The people we work alongside care about most.

When we get to hear what the founders of our businesses really care about

most, that's what gives real meaning to the, to the words that we put forward.

Absolutely.

That's what motivates us to step in line

and, and work alongside a leader.

If we have a better understanding of what's motivating that leader, and then

they too understand why that matters to us, it's only going to create alignment.

And like, Stepping in unison into the future.

That's, that's right.

Hey, because when you first, so often when you first ask people what that is,

they don't all say the same thing, right?

And there's a, when leaders of an organization in particular don't have the

same understanding of the reason why they are in business, or the impact they want

to have in the world, or what it is that actually defines the way that they want to

work with each other, you know, so often those, that language exists in a business,

but the The meaning of that language is interpreted so differently by different

people and having this conversation and going through the tough bits that are

kind of the temptation is to skip those difficult conversations and the time it

takes to have them and the challenge and sometimes debate that comes from them.

But really it's in, it's in that the heat of those kinds of

conversations that we find alignment.

As teams as well, which is so important.

Honestly, , I've been chewing on this and really thinking about

this for the last few weeks, but sitting here having this conversation, I'm feeling

like still, like I'm getting new insight.

Just thinking about those beautiful words that, that chat GPT spit out

and how five team members might interpret them completely differently.

Like, even just the, those values are going to be interpreted and,

and taken in different directions.

And it actually, what that could do is create misalignment.

It could do the opposite of what you're trying to do.

Right.

And I think, you know, that comes to the sort of the second

point of why we don't do this.

And that's really anchored in authenticity.

This idea that our identity comes from within us.

Right.

It's not an aggregation of what's going on outside and the kind of pre chat GPT

shortcut that we've experienced leaders wanting to take is approaching developing

these elements of their culture by looking at what their competition is saying and

trying to sort of find a space to own or a way of differentiating themselves

from what other people are saying.

And we came to sort of ban that behavior to some extent within our

client process of you can't go and see what your competitors are saying

until you've explored what's important to you because your purpose and

your values come from within you.

They're about what is most authentic about the way that you work.

They're not about what makes you different from other people.

The good news is that what's most authentic about you is usually the

thing that makes you most different from other people and in a way

that you can really show up to and live up to and that feels true.

And there's, there's something about just the very way these, the generative

AI works and these large language models work, which is that they.

Scour everything else that's out there and in some ways that's an amazing resource

to have that they can get out there and and flip through millions of data points

in milliseconds and come up with something for you, but it's kind of the opposite.

approach that is needed, which is not what is everyone else out there saying,

and therefore what kind of aggregation of that makes sense for us, but rather,

who cares what anyone else is saying?

What do we want to say?

And how do we kind of bring the gumption and the confidence to say what's most

and find what's most important to us, rather than feel like we're swayed by what

everyone else is saying in this space.

Wow.

Really beautifully said and just really inspiring.

I think that a lot of people tend to look outwards and externally

when thinking about who they are and what role they play in the world.

And just.

To redirect that and say, Oop, you're looking the wrong way.

Turn inward.

It's just such a powerful message.

Because that's where you're going to find your magic and your unique role.

You're not going to find it by looking around you.

I think that's it, right?

If you, you feel like you're playing a role.

Like as in a kind of your cast in a role, if you step into some words

that feel like they're brought from somewhere else, as opposed to getting

to be yourself, which is so powerful.

And I think, you know, when you think about what a statement of

purpose and a set of values and a vision can be used for in terms of.

Communicating a kind of collective alignment inside an organization, but also

attracting people towards your business who share those same kind of passions and.

Inspirations is really powerful.

And I think to be able to put out there, look, this is who I am.

And we want people who can share in this.

It's a contract, not just for us, but with us and our, and our employees, with us

and our customers, with us and the people who we serve, who work kind of, who work

with us and who we work for in this space.

And.

That has to come from a sense of authenticity.

I think when you set out with that authenticity, then people

get to show up to it differently inside the culture afterwards.

I think the, the piece there that's, that's interesting is that you

could argue like, hey, actually, there's something kind of cool

about the sort of the way that the bot scrapes the values and purposes

of all the values and purposes it can find out there in the world.

Like, maybe that's opening our.

Eyes wider than we would be able to open them.

If we did this in a small setting of just our team, right?

If, if you think about kind of representation in your purpose and your

values and who usually gets to really contribute into those conversations

and in, you know, a lot of businesses.

A purpose statement is cooked up by a founder by themselves when they're

starting their business or is built by an executive team kind of behind closed doors

without really the ability for the wider business to feed into what they're doing.

So there's an argument to say, Hey, there's something kind of cool that

happens when you scrape the whole internet and you get the perspectives

and views of kind of this, the diversity that that represents.

Yeah.

Until you discover one of the real big challenges that these

language models and AI generally are having is that they aren't.

All that inclusive just yet that they are built by a very small niche of people

in the world and that they tend to learn a kind of dominant system view and that

actually there's some real danger behind that not just in the case of this use,

but in many others, but I think that the thing that comes to me when I think

about this is there's a real opportunity When you're making these kind of

statements to hear from the organization that you work in, to hear from the

people who work in it and to understand what's meaningful to them en masse.

And it's not the same as just scraping what's out there in the world.

It's about listening to real people inside your business.

I think.

There's an opportunity, like what you said a little earlier around what the

technology here could do to help us listen to everyone in our business

in a new way, but I don't think that it's that's the same as assuming that

just because we're Harvesting the thoughts of the internet that we're

somehow kind of creating a statement here that's more inclusive within our

business.

No, there's definitely, you definitely have to take what ChatGPT spits

back at you with a grain of salt.

There are studies that are being done right now.

There are studies that have shown that this is a biased tool.

If it's scraping what's out in the internet and was created by a

particular group of people, it's not going to include the voices.

Of marginalized communities, so that's something that we need to be aware

of right off of the bat and then to yeah, I think it's so interesting.

I think that if you were to say, scrape the Internet for ideas in terms

of core values, you might get some.

Ideas that you hadn't necessarily thought of just because of your limited

point of view or perspective, right?

You might get some unique takes on what this core value or purpose

statement could look like for me, I could see chat GPT being utilized

as a support tool in that way.

So we were kind of talking about it a little earlier, like doing data collection

or evaluation around your core values.

And then from there, now you have an ability to get multiple voices

in without having to sift through massive amounts of data, right?

I think that that's really interesting.

Personally for me I have ADHD.

So I sometimes have a really hard time getting started on a project.

Once I get the ball rolling, I can take off with it, but looking at a blank

page is just very difficult for me.

So there have been times in this experimenting where I've asked

ChatGPT to give me an outline for something that I was trying to write.

And , Just having that place to start was super helpful.

And I think that there are so many other ways that we could

be using this as a support tool.

But I think that we need to be really careful when we're talking about

worldwide automation and how many jobs are going to be shifting in the future.

I think that there's a way for us to use this tool as an empowerment

tool, versus disempowerment.

I love that.

Yeah, it certainly got me thinking, you know, one of our clients,

a big retailer in South Africa that has 27, 000 employees.

And we've been working with them for many years, kind of developing

their purpose statement and helping them embed that into the.

Into the fabric of the organization and to, you know, even in doing that over,

over a period of years, we've been able to really hear thousands of people, but not.

27, 000 and that idea of gathering that amount of data and having to somehow

process that is really horrifying.

But I think to be able to believe that there might be a way to have people.

Contribute to a conversation like this and use the power , of AI to sort of

help us process and understand what's being said by that number of people

to be able to feed into these kinds of processes is really powerful.

I think there's a, there's kind of a narrative when we, you know,

we sort of jokingly talked about.

Thinking about whether these kinds of generative AI models put our jobs at,

at risk, but I think there's a real narrative starting to surface here

around the opportunity that they have to augment the way that we work, rather

than replace it and to focus us into.

Some of the things that we've talked about here about kind of how can we use this

kind of technology to help us pay even more attention to the humanity that exists

inside our organization rather than less.

And this is just, you know, when we talk about generative AI and how it's a huge

conversation right now about how that's going to shape and shift the world of

human resources inside organizations.

But even just in this little.

example that we're playing with here.

I think there's something quite exciting about what this sort of

technology can offer to the process of helping hear the humans in our

world and what they care about most.

Yeah, absolutely.

Beautifully said.

Augmenting.

I like that.

That's exactly what this needs to be used for.

Okay.

So we've hinted at it a little bit.

We've talked about the missing ingredients.

We've talked about the ways that we want this tool to be used.

But what is our final verdict on chat GPT?

Yeah, I think the final verdict is please.

Please, from the bottom of my heart, don't feel like this is a shortcut to creating

these statements that really sit at the heart of your culture, maintain the human

process here but get really curious about how this kind of technology might help

you hear more of your people in a more inclusive way but make, use the The human

process of conversation to really get you to where you need to get with these things

and if you need a little bit of help with that, obviously, Emily and I are here

and the rest of the within partnership, but also we've got a couple of guides

on our website, which will help you get started on how you're thinking about

finding your purpose or Bringing your values to life inside your organization.

So please do head over to withinpeople.

com and check those out if you get a moment.

Yes,

those are our guide to finding purpose and

our guide to finding values.

Both are live on our website.

Check them out.

I'm also going to be linking them in this podcast episode.

Just to make it a little easier on you.

Alright.

But I think that wraps us up for our chat g p t experiment.

Lori, I just wanted to say this has been a lot of fun.

I've had a lot of fun working with you on this project.

It felt for a moment, like, where was this gonna take us?

It felt very ex explorative and, and I've really enjoyed diving in with you on this.

Yeah, it's been super fun.

I think just getting to play with this and see what comes out.

And if I'm sure there are other people playing with these kinds of ideas

as well, and we'd love to hear if you get the opportunity to tell us

about how you've been using this kind of technology around your culture,

we'd love to hear your stories too.

Alrighty.

Thanks for listening, everyone.

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