We're excited to start our The Crow series! This episode of the Movie Wars podcast dives deep into the cult classic "The Crow," highlighting its unique blend of revenge, tragedy, and artistry. Kyle invites Nashville comedians and film auteurs Drew Davis and Seth Kays to guest host The Crow series. The hosts discuss the film's impact, particularly focusing on Brandon Lee's iconic performance and the hauntingly atmospheric setting that contributes to the story's emotional weight. With insightful commentary on the supporting cast, including memorable villains and their creative deaths, the conversation reveals how each character's demise resonates with their crimes. The episode also explores the significance of the film's aesthetic choices, from the deliberate color palette to the use of miniatures, which give the city a character of its own. Listeners can expect a mix of comedy and thoughtful analysis as the hosts reflect on what makes "The Crow" a timeless piece of cinema that continues to resonate with audiences today.

Also, this episode utilized Kyle's new War Card formula for the new and improved MWP 2.0 format!

Takeaways:

• The podcast discusses the cultural impact of 'The Crow' and its tragic backstory, including Brandon Lee's untimely death during filming.
• The hosts highlight the unique and memorable villains in 'The Crow', emphasizing their one-dimensionality yet effective portrayals.
• There is a focus on the film's soundtrack, especially how it enhances emotional moments and complements the visuals.
• The setting of 'The Crow' is analyzed as a character in itself, with its gritty and dark atmosphere contributing significantly to the story.
• Brandon Lee's involvement in the makeup and wardrobe choices is praised for adding authenticity to his portrayal of Eric Draven.
• The episode concludes with a discussion on how the themes of revenge and justice are timeless, resonating with audiences even today.

A vibrant discussion unfolds as Kyle reunites with his comedian co-hosts, Drew Davis and Seth Kays, to dissect the cult classic, The Crow. Kyle's passion for the film is palpable as he recounts its significance in his life, ranking it among his top 50 films and expressing dismay over the 2024 reboot. The episode dives into the heart of the film, exploring Brandon Lee's impactful performance and the tragic circumstances surrounding his death, which adds a layer of poignancy to the viewing experience. Each co-host shares their unique perspectives on the film, with Drew and Seth bringing humor and insight into the narrative's themes of loss and revenge.

As the conversation progresses, the trio analyzes the memorable supporting characters, highlighting the performances of actors like Michael Wincott and David Patrick Kelly. They discuss how these characters contribute to the film's overall atmosphere, each embodying distinct traits that make them unforgettable. The hosts also delve into the film's soundtrack, emphasizing how it enhances key moments and adds emotional depth to the storytelling. The discussion flows seamlessly between analysis and personal anecdotes, creating an engaging dynamic that keeps listeners entertained.

The episode culminates in a thoughtful examination of revenge as a central theme in The Crow, with the hosts debating the moral implications of Eric Draven's journey. They explore how the film's portrayal of an anti-hero resonates with audiences, allowing for a complex discussion about the nature of justice and vengeance in cinema. Kyle, Drew, and Seth wrap up the episode by reflecting on the impact of The Crow on the genre, expressing their hopes for the upcoming reboot while celebrating the original's legacy. This lively and insightful discussion is a treat for fans of The Crow and anyone interested in the deeper themes of film.

Takeaways:

• Kyle expresses his excitement about discussing 'The Crow', a film that ranks in his top 50, and shares his dismay over the upcoming 2024 reboot.
• The podcast emphasizes how the unique villains in 'The Crow' contribute significantly to the film's overall impact and storytelling.
• Drew highlights how the film's flashbacks serve as effective exposition, enhancing the viewer's understanding without overwhelming the narrative.
• Seth discusses the importance of the film's setting, noting how it acts as a character itself, filled with grit and atmosphere.
• The panel agrees on the effectiveness of the film's soundtrack, linking emotion and scene to create a lasting impression.
• Listeners are reminded of Brandon Lee's tragic death and its impact on the film's legacy, making 'The Crow' a poignant viewing experience.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the movie wars podcast.

My name is Kyle.

I'm so glad to be back with you.

And I feel like a little worm on a big fucking hook.

I'm Kyle.

I'm Seth.

And I'm Drew.

I'm so excited, movie wars fans, as you know, we had to take a little break.

I know you missed Drew and Phil.

Drew's going to come back eventually and do a couple things later in the year.

They got busy, though, and so I had to retool the format.

And I was so lucky.

I opened up the form and two of my great comedian buddies who were also movie fanatics in and of themselves, not just from an industry perspective, but you have your own movie podcast, Drew.

I don't want to take up their cloud.

I want you to introduce yourselves, tell people who you are and what you do there.

Seth.

Hey, I'm Seth Kayesen.

Yeah, I actually, in addition to being a comedian, I'm also a filmmaker as well.

I've made music videos, short films.

I've worked on feature films and tv shows.

So loving movies is not just a passion.

It's also an attempt at being an actual career for me.

So I'm real excited to get this going.

Love it, Drew.

I'm.

I guess you guys call me Drew 2.0.

I'm another Drew, Drew Davis.

I'm.

I'm also a comedian.

I produce shows.

I have a brand that just does a lot of comedy and working with comedians called Quarter Mile Entertainment.

I also have another podcast called the Quarter Mile Podcast, which is more really into fast and furious.

We're finishing up our season one right now with Fast and Furious, and then we haven't told people what we're doing for season two yet, but you'll have to go check that one out soon.

But I'm also a big fan of movies.

I think what I bring to the table here or to the living room.

We got a table.

Yeah, there is a beautiful table right here is both.

Kyle and Seth are guys that know stuff and have educated reasons for how they feel about whatever movies they watch.

And I love that I'm just a guy that likes movies.

If I have a good time with it, then it's a good movie.

So I'm excited.

Do they know about the series that we're about to go into, or.

Yeah, well, they are.

Some of them are listening to the Mad Max series.

Yeah.

So we haven't really had a chance to preface this.

Preface them on the Crow series.

Yeah.

So we're in the crow and this.

I've never.

This was my first time watching the crow, and this will be my first time every episode watching the movies.

And I just.

I just enjoy watching stuff.

And, you know, these guys will give you a good context on important things.

I'll just give my opinions on things, and it'll be great.

Yeah, I love it.

And I can't say enough good things about the quarter mile podcast.

When you.

When you and I first met, you told me you had a podcast only dedicated to the Fast and Furious.

I was like, seems like a smart guy.

I've seen him do stand up.

I know he's hilarious.

But I was like, I got to hear this because.

And you did.

You keep the feather in the air really well.

Like, you like to focus on one franchise, so, like, it seems like it would be dangerous, but you navigate it so well.

It's entertaining, it's funny.

So it's truly an honor to have you here bringing that to the.

Thank you so much.

And it's weird.

What?

It was weird watching a not fast and furious movie.

I was like.

I was like, what?

Is this neat?

This movie needs more Vin Diesel.

When is he coming out to need more family?

And the best thing you do is you've managed, even in the past week.

Like, we had a show together last week, and you managed to reference your brand.

Cause that's not just your podcast.

You managed.

You dropped the title of it in random sentences where you're talking like, I just live my life a quarter mile.

I was like, I don't have anything like that in my life where I can just be like, I just movie wars at one movie wars that I don't have.

We'll work on that.

We'll workshop it.

We'll start finding some movie wars related.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Well, as drew hinted at, we are diving into the crow.

And if you've been listening to movie wars for a while, I've hinted.

I've begged for years to do the crow because it is in my top 50, and it's one of those movies from childhood that just has stayed with me all these years.

My passion to do it was invigorated.

Recently.

Well, not recently, actually, when I first heard that they were gonna redo the crow and a lot of fans and I didn't realize, I thought it was just me that clung to this film, but a lot of people out there were upset.

No.

Yeah.

I've heard so many interesting things about the new one.

Yeah.

Not many good.

I was gonna say.

I've heard nothing good.

I'm gonna feel bad if I come when we do that.

And you guys are like, this is the worst.

And I'm like, I kind of enjoyed it.

I feel like I'll feel like a terrible person.

Yeah, I'm saving my viewing just for the podcast.

I knew I wanted to save it.

I didn't want to have any stain in terms of watching it.

And I think people are mad because a lot of people say, well, they've done a bunch of other ones, but they didn't tackle Eric Draven, all the other characters.

It's not Shelly anymore.

Like, they.

Sarah, they kept around, but Sarah, her actress, didn't die on set.

You know, wasn't the daughter of a legend.

You know, like, there's even Ernie Hudson came out, who I love, came out and said, this is.

This is Brandon's movie, and we can't.

And so a lot of people, even from the crew, if Michael Massey were here today, I know he would be upset.

Yeah, yeah.

And he, you know, and he didn't act for a long time after the accident.

We'll get to it later.

Well, I actually have a special connection to the crow, the original one, because when I went and got my first tattoo, which is the bat signal on the inside of my arm here, that was the movie that the tattoo artist decided to play while I was getting my tattoo.

Wow.

Yeah.

I was sitting there laying on the table with all sorts of needles going into my arm watching this movie.

Just like, wow, this is crazy.

You were watching the crow as you're getting Batman, literally.

It would have been so weird if you're like, you know, this movie's so good.

Switch it up.

You know what?

Turn the back signal into a crow.

Like, I'm done.

More like Bruce Lane.

Let's get out of that.

Yeah.

And so it was really interesting to hear that I wasn't alone.

And so, you know, I felt supported in that way.

And I was like, wow.

A lot of people were like me and loved this film.

I'm reading Reddit and Twitter, and people all over the place are.

And I'm like, okay, maybe I'm not a weirdo.

I mean, that's.

The jury's still out on that one.

Yeah, well, yeah, I'm a weirdo.

This is not for that reason.

This is my one normalcy.

Yeah.

I was like, I'm not gonna go that far.

Yeah, yeah.

You're like, sure.

We all try to make people laugh for a living.

We're all weirdos.

Yeah, we have affirmation issues that run very deep.

Deep or beyond the crow.

Oh, yeah.

So, like.

And subscribe to make us feel like we matter in the world.

Exactly.

Give us purpose.

Yeah.

So, you know, and so this gave me an excuse to finally.

To dive into the series.

There's so much about the movie.

One thing I love is that as someone that grew up in turmoil and craziness, you know, James Obar, who wrote the original comic, you know, wrote this.

He was an amazing artist, but he did horrible in school.

He talks about how he had surpassed all of his art teachers, and he was an orphan, and he didn't get adopted until he was seven years old.

And he was kicked around from, you know, from foster family to foster family.

And so his art was how he coped.

Um, and he.

He started writing the crow and illustrating the crow.

When he finally found this.

This woman, he was in an incredible relationship, and he talks about how if he was dark, she was light, and she was incredible, and they were engaged for three years, and she was the best thing to ever happen to him in his very dark life.

And she died.

She got hit by a drunk driver.

And so he.

This story was birthed from that.

And this is, he talks about.

This was his coping mechanism.

Never did he write it thinking it would become this thing that literally stuck with people for decades.

Here we are 30 years later, and.

We'Re talking about this, and I couldn't wait.

I couldn't wait to watch it for the hundredth time.

I was just like, I get to watch the crow again.

And so he's a very interesting guy.

So I love that aspect of it.

There's another aspect of this film, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

I moved to Nashville originally as a musician.

Music's very important to me, and the soundtrack, and I get it.

Yeah.

I'm not alone here.

And you're in film.

Like, you've.

You make films.

I would love to hear your perspective, because I know for a fact that not every director or.

Or anybody involved in a film goes in thinking, this is the soundtrack.

Typically, that's a post effort.

There are moments in this, specifically the nine Inch Nails cover of the Dead Souls, where he's jumping from rooftop to rooftop.

It's so rhythmically aligned and perfect that I'm thinking that that was premeditated, almost definitely.

See, because, yeah, this is the thing.

Some directors, the music is definitely an afterthought, but I've especially noticed a trend recently where so many directors actually go into the script, hearing the soundtrack.

And a lot of times, you'll actually see songs be put into the script, or either it'll say this song needs to play, or something like, this song should be played.

James Gunn is actually, I feel like, kind of the one who spearheaded that recently because when he started doing Guardians of the Galaxy, like, he had that full seventies soundtrack in his head, and that was kind of what drove a lot of the stylistic choices that he made with that movie.

And it continued over the next two.

I mean, it makes so much sense because music helps you feel things, like tones of everything, tones of certain styles, and music draws out emotions and connections, and so it really can take a good movie and make it great having a soundtrack when they have intentional music going into.

And we noticed that with the crow, like, I mean, the songs fit.

I even remember I was, like, when I was watching the movie, I had, like, a Facebook status that I made, and I was making, like, my commentary, and one of my comments was like, this movie probably has an awesome soundtrack.

And then, sure enough, someone like, it does, and here it is.

It's one of the best.

And I love it because, I mean, that just really connects with you when you're watching it.

You don't realize that how you feel about whatever's going on in the movie is being elevated and amplified by whatever song or track or instrumental is going on.

So such wonderful points.

And it's crazy how visual it is and how visceral, because I hear those songs.

I now listen to them regularly.

I have for a long time, and I visualize the movie scene it's in.

I actually have, like, golgotha testament blues when funboy shoots, you know, draven through the hand.

That song, like, I woke up this morning, that was the first song I thought of.

Like, it just.

That's completely normal.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

Not a weirdo.

Not a weirdo on this.

Yeah.

And big empty, of course.

You know, I grew up.

My.

I grew up during the era of, you know, Seattle music.

I don't call it grunge.

Cause they hated the word grunge.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

So I don't call it that either.

But, you know, my favorite band of all time is Alice and chains.

I liked Stone temple pilots.

Like, I wasn't super deep into their stuff, but then I heard big empty in this song, and I was like, what is that?

Yeah.

And I found out.

And now, like, I've, you know, at this stage of my life, I've bought every STP on.

On at least some on cassette cd.

Then I bought them digitally, and now I've bought them all on vinyl.

Like, they.

Yeah.

Nice.

Scott Wylan.

Rest easy, buddy.

Because Chester Bennington took over for an album after that.

Yep.

Yeah.

It's just.

It's the history of that band is insane.

I love that you heard one song in the crow, and then you developed, like.

And then you got, like, a favorite band out of it.

I did.

That's so cool.

I did.

Well, that song is as a musician, it's just that the Stone Temple pilots were so interesting because they were, you know, two.

Two of them.

The founding members are members that were also the main composers.

The DeLeo brothers were jazz musicians, but they had this rock, so they did.

They did all this in that sleazy bass line.

And they get to that.

dive bar bass line.

Oh, yeah.

And it matches t bird perfectly.

Yeah.

You know, the music and just the whole style of the movie was so fun because it was like all this, like, nineties nostalgia, you know, like, it's been a while since I watched, like, a good nineties movie.

Yeah.

One thing I liked about the movie, and you saw this more in older movies, was because now we.

In any movies that we watch today that's modern, I feel like they have to give you a lot of exposition.

Like, this is what's happening right now.

This is the background.

Yes.

Here is the world.

But in this movie, like, you went into it.

At least I went into it knowing nothing about anyone.

And there were times where I was like, what's going on?

And nobody was telling me, where's the exposition guy?

There wasn't.

And then you would learn, as the movie was going on, the plot, instead of it being told to you kind of in the end.

So it was interesting.

Cause I feel like I've gotten used to them just telling me what I need to know and actually having to figure it out.

Wow.

But it was.

I ended up enjoying it.

You know, it's such a great point.

And what you're pointing out is something that Alex proyus, the director, pointed out on the commentary.

They were afraid with how simple that it was.

They were like, the plot is too simple, and like, we.

It's not complex enough, and people are going to think this is boring.

But he said all the gaps were filled in by Brandon Lee's performance.

Oh, yeah.

Hundred percent.

Everything he did, from the method acting to how he owned the character.

He said any concern we had about this being too simplistic was filled in.

By his performance, he provided so much depth to that role that, like, you were saying that you didn't have any background on anything.

You literally start the movie and he's dead, and you don't know anything about who he was before all this happened.

But the moment he comes out of that grave, you could just see on his face that he has fully embodied this character.

Yeah, it was fun because I kept feeling like, did I miss something?

Like, am I supposed to know something?

And that.

But it was okay.

And then what they did really well, or.

And maybe it wasn't intentional, but, like.

And maybe it was, though I was about to have a complaint about the movie where I was like, I was like, okay, is he just invincible the whole time?

And because, like, to me, that, like, took away, like, all tension in any of the fights.

Like, oh, well, of course he's the one.

And.

And right when I started kind of getting annoyed that there wasn't, like, a kryptonite or there wasn't, like, a.

Something, you know?

Yeah.

Um, that was when they brought in, like, the.

With the crow and the feather and the asian lady.

So.

Yeah, and that.

And, like, when I was watching, it was right when I started being like, okay, if this is the way the movie is, and I'm gonna get bored real quick.

It was right when I had that thought.

Yeah.

That it's like they knew in making the movie, they were like, we're gonna have to put the tension in at some point.

Yeah.

Picked a really good time for it.

Yeah, it's a great point.

And originally, what they were gonna do was he was supposed to.

Every time he helped a human, because he was there solely as a member of the dead to justify the one thing that happened to him, and he was gonna get back out.

The original method was that he.

Every time he helped a living person, that did justify his cause, he was gonna lose levels of invincibility.

Oh, I like that.

I almost wish they.

I wish they would have kept that because that would have added, like, a different.

It would have literally humanize him.

But, like, also, like, him having to choose, do I keep my invincibility that will help my mission, or do I help this person in need?

And of course, you know, watching the good guy help people in need, it makes you care for them more.

But at the same time, I feel like it would have ended up doing what you were talking about earlier, how it would have had to make them tell why this is happening.

I feel it would have been very difficult to just show that that's a thing.

Yeah.

Like, I feel like there would have had to been, like, two minutes where someone's like, oh, well, he's helping this person and now he's weaker.

Like, we have to explain this to the audience.

Yeah.

I feel like the way that they did end up doing it because, like, honestly, one of my favorite moments was when he, he, like, touches Darla and, and the morphine comes out of her.

That was such a cool moment.

And I feel like that would have been totally ruined if he sat there and was just like, oh, no, now I'm weaker.

Yeah, yeah, I know.

Yeah, well, yeah, and you're right.

And what you're hitting on is why they actually got rid of it is because it was in the comic.

It was attached to this character called the skull cowboy.

And the skull cowboy was almost this arbiter type, ghostly character that would tell, tell Draven that these things were happening.

And he was, it was almost like he was his tour guide.

Like, the crow was pretty much given distinguished responsibility for being his usher through the world.

But the school cowboy was supposed to be, like, almost this purely informative person or this informative character that tells him.

But the reason it didn't do it was, first of all, exactly what you said.

His only purpose was to tell Brandon, you're getting weaker.

Which works in comic form, would not have worked so well in comic form.

And the costume, they couldn't nail it.

They said they just couldn't get it.

To not to not.

It looks great in the comics, but they could not nail it.

And it just looked cheesy.

Brandon hated it.

Alex hated it.

So they just had to get rid of it.

I kind of get that.

And, like, just the idea of, like, all this, like, nineties grunge.

No, not today.

Oh, dare you.

Nineties, Seattle.

Nineties Seattle vibes.

And then, oh, look, there's a cowboy.

Yeah, a skull cowboy would have been very weird.

And how many skull characters have we had in comic book universe?

We've had the red skull.

Yeah, enough with the skulls already.

You put a cowboy hat on it.

That's supposed to be better.

Like, we see what you're doing.

You're common during the whole school thing.

Yeah, yeah.

I think the way that they ended up doing it just, just genuinely served the movie to its best potential.

And it helped me too, because, like, the whole time I'm like, what?

What is with this crow?

Like, no one does.

Nobody noticed.

Like, there's just like, we were like, oh, hey, what, what's the deal with your crow, or no one ever.

No one ever asked.

And then finally the.

And honestly, like, I.

The asian lady kind of snuck up on me because, you know, we see from the main villain, he's just got all these women he's get.

Getting with, so I thought she was just, like, another prostitute or whatever, and then she, like, has something of substance to offer, and that sounds mean.

I shouldn't say just like that, but.

Because, you know, sex workers have something to offer anyway.

Anyway, but.

And then she's like, just how?

She just knew.

She's like, oh, yeah, if we mess with a crow, that.

Yeah, that'll.

I mean, yeah, that.

And the quasi incest.

Yeah, yeah.

And the eyeballs.

Yeah, yeah.

Which we.

Yeah, they love burning eyeballs.

This is your sister?

Yes, my father's daughter.

I guess you have a really raspy voice, so you can say whatever you want, I guess.

Yeah.

I just want to know, was her mom asian or was their dad asian?

Like, what was going on?

And her name is Micah.

Yeah.

And it's spelled weird.

You know, it's like, weird Micah.

So.

And the last thing I'll put around it, I think one thing.

The reason this movie had so much staying power is, is it's.

And it's not to discredit the.

The tragedy, but the tragedy itself wrapped around the movie.

You know, their decision to go forward with the movie was to honor Brandon.

The production company didn't want to go through with it, but they said they were looking at the film like, Brandon did such excellent work here.

He would.

He would want it.

And I think, honestly, that stamp.

Put a stamp on it.

It's like, in the fact that he's Bruce Lee's son, and Bruce Lee died under mysterious circumstances.

You know, there's a lot to that.

So I'm glad they came out with the movie.

Obviously had a huge impact on me, had a huge impact on a lot of people, and I'm so glad that we're going to dive into it today.

Yeah, absolutely.

All right, let's go to the questions here.

So, for.

For long time movie wars fans, you remember the scorecard back in the day when it was two movies?

A lot of humor was built in.

Now that we're doing one movie at a time, these interview questions are now written for to kind of help, you know, both instigate good conversation, but also because we're comedians, just.

I just thought it would be hilarious to hear you guys respond to some of these.

So we'll call this the questions which death in the film would you want to experience the least.

Seth, we'll start with you.

Oh, the knives.

Honestly, that just.

Cuz.

Cuz the thing with knives is you don't die quickly.

It is going, and even if you're stabbed a bunch of times, it's gonna take some time, and that would just be so horrific.

Yeah, yeah.

Knives.

Death by knives.

No, thank you.

And I read something after the movie that, like, apparently when he was stabbing him, he was stabbing him in, like, alphabetical order of, like, the organs.

Organs.

It's like, jeeze.

Like, I mean, I get that he's got a lot of new supernatural abilities, but he probably had to think for a minute, like, okay, next.

I have to hold on a second, you know?

Yeah.

Where's the kidney?

Where's the spleen?

I skipped h.

Sorry, we got to start over.

How could I skip important one?

The heart.

How could I skip h, a or d?

Yeah, so, yeah, that was.

That would be brutal.

The car.

Yeah, that was my favorite scene.

Like, that was my favorite kill to watch.

Yeah.

But just the fact that it started with him being like a grenade in his balls, that's it.

That's a tough start.

That's tough.

I mean, you're.

You're wanting death a lot sooner than you get it.

Yeah.

And, like, the dude's screaming the whole time, like, he's aware of it.

Like, oh, yeah, there's no coming back.

There's no coming back.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I feel that one.

I would not want to feel that one.

I would be.

Yeah.

You know, anytime I see in a movie or a video or whatever, anything having to do with the balls, I feel it.

Yes.

Like, I literally feel my entire body just go, oh, yeah.

But did anyone else when they were watching that scene?

Cuz, like, fair.

Like, it was just a cool.

I mean, it did give me kind of fast and furious vibes.

Like, this is.

I.

Like, I expected the fast and furious family to come out like, all right, we got you.

Well, no one did, but I.

And when we're family, the car ends up in space.

When he, like, lit the match and it made the crow on the ground, did anyone else wonder, like, when did you have the time?

Oh, yeah.

I mean, that's the complaint about dark knight rises is that he had the time to make a gigantic bat on the bridge out of gasoline.

Maybe he had, like, maybe his crow was doing that.

Yeah, the crow pisses gasoline.

The little girl, he'd sometime talk to her.

He was like, hey, this is kind of weird, but we'll set up for a really cool moment after I meth murder some.

Hey, you're good at art, right?

They did that one take, too.

Oh, really?

Yeah, they found, like, a hyper.

It wasn't gas, but it was like they found something really flammable.

It was a mixture.

It was like a movie, like polyurethane.

Oh, yeah.

And they nailed it the first time.

I mean, it looks so cool.

Yeah, I I agree on the car one, but for different reasons.

This is gonna be really stupid.

But just the idea of dying with stickiness on my face, like, I don't.

I don't like glue.

I don't like sticky things.

I eat pizza with a fork.

I don't like, like, just stuff that shouldn't be on my body.

So, yes, I know there's a grenade on my balls, but, like, if I do survive this, my eyebrow hairs are coming out.

Yeah.

And this is gonna hurt.

This is worse than a band aid.

I just don't want tape on my skin.

Absolutely.

So understand.

Yeah.

The.

The explosions in the river, that's all secondary, you know?

I'm not even thinking about the bad things I'm doing.

I did that he killed me for because I got duct tape on me, and that's gross.

Yeah, yeah.

That's really all.

That's all he would do to you.

He wouldn't even kill you.

He would just leave all the duct tape on your face and go.

And then he'd go, like, make the crow with the gas.

It wouldn't take much.

Like, one strand of tape on the head, and I'm done.

Yeah.

I'm just like, that's chinese water torture.

What's interesting is all the deaths had some relation to the wrong that the person did to them.

So, like, what wrong would you have had to do to Brandon Lee for him to be like, I'm just gonna put a bunch of sticky notes on his head?

Were you a forgetful son of a bitch?

Oh, you forgot to warn me.

Well, I'll make sure that you never forget anything ever again.

A sticky note version of memento.

Bitch.

All right, this is awesome.

So this is pre.

It's pre MCU, right?

Comic book.

Comic book craze hadn't caught on just remembering the time.

Anecdotally, Burton's Batman was kind of the best popular representation we had.

There was a Captain America, there was.

The Hulk tv show, the Superman movies.

But there wasn't any type of craze like there is now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Was this before or after Burton's Batman?

After.

After that was 89.

Two had come out, and it was the year before forever.

Val Kilmer.

Yeah.

And so my question to you is, given the fact that it wasn't yet as popular as it is today, which obviously, it's been keeping theaters open for a while, what do you think of this early iteration?

Because the way that the director describes this is, it's an anti comic book.

Comic book movie.

Yeah.

See, so the thing that I found very interesting visually, and I've noticed this kind of trend throughout older comic book movies in general.

I loved their use of miniatures to create the city.

The city didn't feel like a single other city that I've ever seen in the world.

It literally felt like its own character, and I don't ever see that anymore.

I think Burton did a really good job in Batman 89 doing that same thing.

But this, this took it to a whole other level, where the.

They physically created this whole new world that no one had ever experienced.

So it felt like the buildings even just became a character, and.

And the.

The surroundings was its own character.

Yeah.

I just feel like you don't see anymore.

Yeah, I am.

I absolutely loved the look of it.

It really felt like you were watching a comic book just like with the Tim Burton Batman's, where it had that same kind of larger than life appeal, kind of the dark, gritty ness of it, which I absolutely loved.

It's interesting.

I think that kind of movie, like, nowadays, with a lot.

A lot of the superheroes, movies and tv shows are more.

Today are more kind of like, antiheroes or, like.

Like there's a big push on, like, the plot where the superheroes are actually the bad guys.

And so they're.

Yeah, so it's a lot darker.

And so I think nowadays, with, like, movies like the Batman and stuff like that, as, like, the current, like, newer superhero movies nowadays, this movie would.

Would.

People would be cool with it.

They would be with the dark.

But I feel like when you think about, like, early MCU phases, like when Iron man one came out, when, like, Captain America, that the World War two one.

Yes, that one comes out, we might have not been ready for, or we might have not been into this dark, gritty style.

Because there was a while with superhero movies where we liked the brightness, we liked the colorfulness, we liked the hopefulness.

The idea of your hero is just going around killing a bunch of people in the plot is he's just getting revenge.

You know that.

So that would do good now, but I would almost say like, 15 years ago, people would have been like, I didn't think it was that great of a movie or whatever.

Like.

And so that was kind of interesting to me, but I don't know.

It's fun since, you know, you're not gonna go out and do all those murders.

I feel totally okay being like, no good for him.

Yeah, good.

Justified.

Never once when I watched any of those bad guys get murdered did I wonder.

I wonder if they have, like, a family or, like, a concerned mom.

I hope T Bird didn't have custody of his daughter this weekend.

I.

Yeah.

Like, we allow ourselves uncle.

Yeah.

He's the really weird uncle.

Yeah.

I will say, comparing.

Comparing the crow to especially, like, the Nolan Batman movies, because especially since Dark Knight and Iron man came out in the same year.

And to your point, even the Dark Knight, as dark as it was, it was still a very brightly colored film.

Yeah.

Like, it didn't hit the dark points that, like, the.

The Pattinson Batman did or even the crow did.

Like, I very much appreciated how deeply they leaned into the noir aspect of the way that they shot everything.

I kind of.

I kind of like that I have to be in certain moods with.

Depending on.

But, like, I mean, life isn't just all bright and sunshine.

Yeah.

Sometimes you want to watch a movie in a gritty setting with, like, you know, all the.

What we saw in the crow.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And not gruesome deaths and.

And someone getting, like, eight.

Eight things of heroin jabbed in them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a great.

Honestly, I loved the.

The emo vibes they had.

I felt like this whole movie was gonna lead up into, like, the newest.

My chemical romance.

Yeah.

I was waiting for it to turn to a music video.

My biggest regret was that he didn't do more with the electric guitar.

That was.

I was.

Yeah, that was.

I was genuinely expecting him to stab that dude in the face when he came in with the electric.

Yeah, you could stab someone with electric guitar.

You could take the guitar strings off and strangle someone with it.

It's a.

You could play something so loud on an awesome amp, like, next to the person and bust their head off.

It's a superhero movie.

He could get supernatural sound wave powers.

And I'm just saying.

Yeah, I'm thinking of ways of how to kill people with guitars.

Just with a guitar.

Yeah.

I'm gonna get you with this.

Get fiddle.

Y'all gotta check out Drew's bit about his key tar days.

Yeah, that's a great bit.

I love.

Yeah, that's a.

This is an underrated instrument.

Yeah.

Not enough people have been killed by keytars or electric guitars.

And I really thought the crow was gonna help me out on this.

And, you know, we'll keep looking.

We'll keep looking for movies where people die via electric guitars.

I will say the first time I saw a WWE event in person, Hardy smash an acoustic guitar over the back of someone of the wrestlers.

Oh, wow.

That's the closest I've gotten to seeing someone genuinely killed by a guitar.

I one of the best when I was in a band, and we were.

We would travel around, play at a bunch of different church camps.

Cause that's how punk rock we were.

There we go.

And there was one camp, one time where, like, the speaker was like, drew, I need.

We're gonna buy you guitar from Walmart.

And part of the skit is we want you to break it on stage.

It was leaving.

And when I say that was the best moment of my life, I'm not exaggerating.

Oh, my God.

I don't blame you.

That sounds exhilarating.

So cool.

It was like, this is this.

I didn't know it, but that's what I was made for.

Which is really weird, though, when you go home and, like, your parents are like, how was church camp?

And you're like, I got to break.

A guitar for Jesus.

They're like, shit, we're moving.

He broke the table.

I broke the guitar.

What do you want from me?

This is my defiant phase.

Fantastic answers.

All right, last interview question here.

Why are leathers such an essential, instinctual vigilante clothing choice?

Because I'm covering Mad Max with comedian Matthew Blevins.

A lot of leathers over there too.

What's with leathers?

I mean, it was the nineties.

Like, every leather was in.

I mean, you watch that episode of Friends and Ross is like, I got leather pants.

Like, I don't know why, because, I mean, the Matrix did it.

Blade did it, underworld did it, resident evil did it.

Like, it seemed like leather was just the choice for the nineties.

And maybe it was, like, the rave scene that really was, like, influencing all of that because I know.

Especially, like, Germany.

Like, that was the thing.

When you go to a rave, everybody's wearing nothing but leather.

Yeah.

Which I don't understand because I feel like you would be sweaty as hell doing that.

Yeah.

Sticky.

I think it's pretty obvious, honestly.

You have to look cool when you're doing all this vigilante stuff.

Oh, yeah.

Like, it does not have the same effect when the one survivor goes back and retells about this crazy, gruesome car killing scene he saw the crow doing.

He's like.

And then he got out of the car, and I noticed he had a pink bathrobe.

Like, red cowboy boots.

Yeah.

People were like, what?

No, but, like, the fact that you're doing it in all this, like, really shiny, cool, slick leather, people are like, if.

If the car didn't kill me, the sword didn't kill me, then the census style would.

Yeah, yeah.

It's.

If they're not wearing cool clothes, then it's not a cool story to tell.

Yeah.

Cotton dockers just aren't, you know, murderous enough.

I gotta have doc Martens.

I don't want my murderer to kill me in shorts and, like, sandals.

Yeah.

Like, I need.

That's so much more embarrassing.

Be like, is that a Van Heusen?

Yeah, it's just.

It's a more humane way of doing things for the vigilante.

It is.

Yeah.

Like, at least I know what this person's trying to do.

Like, they're not trying to sell me, like, a pyramid scheme for energy drinks in the Kroger aisle.

Like, they're gonna kill me.

Like, granted they open that coat, they might be trying to sell you a watch.

You just never know.

True.

All right, before we get to the Randos, I just want to say, as a reminder, the best way to help movie wars is to share with a friend.

It's not hard.

It's not.

It may seem simple, but it's literally the best way to grow.

You post it every single.

You know, Spotify, Apple, they all have that share button.

You can put it on your Instagram Stories.

You can text it to your grandma.

We are great with the grandmas.

If your grandma is struggling.

Yeah.

If she's struggling with age, show her the crow episode, and she will love you forever, 100%.

It's actually not enough people know this fact, but every time you share this video, a kitten somewhere doesn't get drowned.

It's true.

Yeah.

Very true.

And a grandma goes on a killing spree.

Yeah.

Every time we show it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Like, yeah, absolutely.

That's what we really want to see.

I don't want to lose money on this.

And now for a fan favorite.

Our friends love the randos.

I love that we call them randos because, you know, it's random, but we call them randos.

Wow.

Kind of sounds like Rambo.

Oh.

Although, on social media, when I first started our TikTok account, I would say randos during, and it pissed people off.

I got death threats.

Like, why are you saying randos?

You should die.

That seems like such an escalation.

It is.

I wish you were a cat.

So it didn't save this and you would drown.

I know it is.

And you and I were talking about this on the way here.

It was like social media.

Like, if you've never done it.

And I hadn't really.

And it's such a horrible baptism by fire.

It's like, I'm gonna tell the world about my favorite movie fact.

And then they're like, die.

I know.

Like, I hope you get cancer.

I literally had people say, I wish I had cancer for saying something.

I hope you get cancer.

The Internet's a wild place.

I'll mispronounce a name.

And then the next time I was like, what's fucking wrong with you?

Do you not have a soul?

Like, how dare you?

If I knew where you lived, I would dox you for that, you asshole.

I got banned from the Snyder cut subreddit for saying something positive about Zack Snyder.

I was like, Zack Snyder is cool.

They're like, banned.

And then a dead squirrel head showed up in your mailbox the next day.

One paw.

Wouldn't it be interesting if one of those crazy TikTok trolls found us, killed us for calling them randos?

And then we came back to life, and we had to somehow avenge ourselves in some.

Like, just by saying Rando to them?

Yeah, like, show up to their bed at night just whispering Rando until their.

Head tape their eyelid shot and go, Rando.

Okay, but then here's a question.

What would be your spirit guide animal?

What would be your crow if you came back to life?

It would have to be very rando.

Yeah.

A sloth.

A three toed sloth.

Feels fitting.

What about you?

I think mine would be a dodge charger.

Living a quarter mile at a time.

You're gonna still say that even after.

Your dad just drive over to people who get angry at the me mispronouncing celebrity names.

I get it.

It's sat them.

I know now, right?

Die.

I feel like mine would be a penguin.

That would be fun.

I mean, until the death part.

Well, that's the thing, is, it's.

It's.

It's cute and cuddly, and then it cuts ya.

Yeah.

Little arms, but holding a giant machine gun.

Exactly.

I like that visual.

Yeah.

Rando.

My favorite thing to do with trolls is they'll pop in a comment, like, tell me you don't know anything about gun control.

And then I just respond, I don't know anything about literally.

And then they follow me.

And I win a fan.

Like, I feel like I win the.

I win the argument.

Yeah, see, I.

You told me that, and I actually embraced that, and I do that now.

I used to get super adversarial.

Like, I had a guy once.

This is way off topic, but we did a nightmare on Elm street one.

And he talks about in the documentary, there's this, like, five hour documentary.

It's incredible about all the nightmare on the elm streets.

And England talks about the reason that.

That Freddy Krueger leans like that, because he just felt like the claw was kind of heavy.

Yeah.

You know, and so he.

And I kind of exaggerated.

I was like, it was so heavy.

But I posted that, and people were like, that's not why.

And then I found the clip.

I literally went out and found the clip and posted it, and people still were like, no, you don't know anything about movies, bitch.

Yeah, I don't even.

I don't remember.

We had something like that with Fast and Furious, where I reiterated a fact I had learned online from an interview from the director.

And everyone's like, that's so crap.

That's not true.

You're the worst person.

I'm like, I don't know.

I mean, unless the Internet is lying.

Yeah, I'm fair, but, like, I'm.

I didn't invente.

Yeah, unless the director was lying, which.

Is possible, but why are you mad at me about it?

Take it up with them, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Randos, I feel like most people know, but I think we'd be remiss if we didn't open up with kind of how the Brandon Lee incident happened.

You know, the scene that had happened during is, you know, Golgoth and testament Blues is playing.

He goes into funboy's apartment during the morphine scene.

It was during that scene.

That's when it happened.

And what happened was that they.

They basically, it was a shell that.

From a.

From a blank, something like that.

And I guess there was still gunpowder.

There's a lot of different versions.

But basically my understanding was it was the shell of a blank.

There was still powder in there.

They didn't rig it right.

They didn't take care of the weapon.

It got lodged in his abdomen, and they tried to rush in the hospital, and he bled to death.

One of the most interesting side facts of the incident is that Michael Massey, who was holding the weapon, who played funboy, didn't act for years, and he came back.

He did come back and did a lot of.

He did a few movies, did television again, but for years after, he couldn't have.

He just couldn't.

He felt even imagine, like, I don't blame survivor guilt.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And.

And even though, you know, like, you aren't.

You're the actor.

You weren't responsible for that weapon.

You weren't loaded.

But had being.

Holding it and killing the son of a living legend.

Yeah.

Knowing that, like, the feeling on set was, is that Brandon Lee's gonna be a big deal after this movie.

Yeah.

The Wachowskis were.

Before the crow was being filmed, the Wachowskis were considering him for the Matrix.

Eventually, Will Smith became the go to guy before Keanu.

But in the very, very early, like, you wouldn't probably recognize the film.

Brandon Lee was their first choice for Neo.

So there was.

Can you imagine having the crow and then him being in the Matrix?

He would have been, like, a superstar.

Oh, absolutely.

I literally, when the movie started and I saw him come out of the grave, I literally had the thought.

He looks like Keanu Reeves and Heath Ledger had.

And he's better at martial arts, and he's incredible shape, and he's good looking and he can act and he's funny.

He had everything.

And that's.

That's what a good action star does.

And when an action star kind of leans.

Drama, he.

He had all the makings.

Yeah, yeah.

Great delivery.

I had somebody say, no, he was mediocre.

I was like, get that.

Get out of town.

Someone's just saying that to piss you off.

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was me.

That was my burger account.

Damn you.

I don't need cancer.

Fuck your quarter mile podcast.

No.

Vin Diesel.

I hope Vin Diesel comes and runs you over in car, man.

Me too, man.

That would be great.

Can you imagine?

They hate your podcast so much that they're like, this is tarnishing our legs.

Side note, I just realized we have the perfect assembly here.

This is fantastic.

You guys are amazing.

I'm loving.

I'm loving having.

I had a feeling getting a bunch of my comedian buddies who also love movies.

Like, I don't think there was a losing situation there.

It would either be, like, amazing, or we would go 4 hours and never talk about the movie.

What movie again?

The Raven.

Edgar Allen pork.

Oh, that was a good one.

My favorite bird movie.

Except for the birds.

That movie sucked.

Fuck that movie.

Fuck you, Hitchcock.

Seriously, he's overrated.

Your name has cock in it and hitchensitive.

This was my favorite thing.

I got a few more randoms, but this was my favorite one.

Brandon controlled the wardrobe, everything about it, because, you know, first of all, he knew he had to move in it.

He knew he would be doing a lot of the stunts, the martial arts.

He want to be able to move in it.

And the whole.

The whole reason that it was worn out over time is, like, he knew they had, like, 20 versions of every piece.

So the trench coat, for example, when he stole Tintin's trench coat, they were like, he needs a cape.

Yes, he needs a version of a cape.

And so that's why.

And so they had, like, 20 trench coats, and so basically, anytime.

And also, he did his own makeup.

I'm so glad they didn't give him a cape.

I know.

That is horrible.

With a raven on the back.

Yeah.

This.

Meanwhile, the crows.

Like, it's a freaking raven.

They did it.

They gave a.

From the cape with the raven emblem on the back.

Yeah.

I'm glad Bill Skarsgrd thought that was a good idea.

He's been making a lot of headway lately.

Is he the one who played?

Yeah.

Shit.

Oh, and see, that was, like, my only.

That was my only.

Like, I like him.

Yeah.

And I like his whole family.

Like, I, like all great.

And he was so good as Pennywise, and.

Yeah, he was.

And I kind of feel bad for him because I don't know that he knew what he was stepping in, like, by taking it, so.

But anyway, Brandon also did his own makeup, so they kept trying to get makeup people to do it.

He would tell them no, he was never happy.

And also, him and Alex went through, like, 30 different paintings.

And, like, sometimes it was like, does this look too much like kiss?

You know?

So they had to really.

And you.

When we get into the other ones, you'll see, like, it can get bad.

Like, and they can do a bad job.

It's funny, once the makeup people took over, it got real bad.

But Brandon Lee, it's, like, his third major film, and he's, like, nailing it, you know?

That's so interesting that he had all those skill sets.

I mean, it makes sense to me that he was in charge of the wardrobe because he had to think, like, how can you do the martial arts with them?

It was cool that the director's like, let's go with him, but, like, what a risk on a newer actor.

Be like, yeah, let's have them choose what makeup everyone's wearing.

Yeah, that seems like a good idea.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you're totally right.

It, like, nine times out of a ten, like, an up and coming actor it would be.

But what I understand is that Brandon Lee won everybody over.

Oh, yeah.

Ernie Hudson.

You'll have to go find this interview he did with Tony Horton, of all people, the P 90 X guy.

I don't know why.

Of course.

That makes sense.

Like, when I saw that Ernie Hudson came out and said that Brandon Lee is the only crow, I was like, he was talking to Tony Horton about it.

Like, what did they just do curls?

Like, why are we.

They were at a gym and they were like, hey, man, you got a quick.

Brandon Lee is the only curl.

Two more sets.

Can I get you saying that in an interview?

20 more burpees.

He's only crow.

Yeah, but I'm like, why?

But he talks about it.

But then, yeah, it's.

What was I talking about?

What were.

I know.

I suddenly have an urge to go work out now.

Oh, I get it now.

I got dumbbells right over there.

I love it.

I remember now.

Brandon Lee went to dinner with Ernie Hudson and, like.

Like, Ernie Hudson's brother in law died, and actually, he is.

His brother in law died a couple days before Brandon died, and he comforted Ernie and, like, he was so friendly and even though he was the star, like, he was just so unassuming.

And everyone talks about how collaborative the production crew said he was just kind and friendly and everyone loved him.

So, like, it was probably.

He probably just, like, they let him do what everyone's like, oh, it's branded.

He's awesome.

We love him.

So it's.

That is cool to hear, though.

Yeah, yeah.

And I think, you know, it's funny because I love movies, but I hate celebrities.

Yeah.

So it's just weird.

Like, anytime I hear Leo talk about climate change, I'm like, I'm sure that's a thing, but now that you're talking about it, I don't care.

Fuck the climate.

Fuck you, Leo.

I'm fascinated by celebrities.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It is so much.

It only makes me, like, watching them act.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And when people find out I do a movie podcast, like, what do you think about this relationship in Hollywood?

I'm like, I don't care.

That's not what we talk about.

I talk about the movies.

Unless it's Coppola.

I love everything about his life.

Like, you know, but outside of Coppola, not exactly a people magazine type of conversation.

No, this is really cool.

And you might find this interesting with your filmmaking background.

There was a.

There were rules about what colors were allowed.

So if you look at the monochrome aspect of it, they actually had written rules.

We don't have greens.

We don't have this.

We want this film to be consistently drab.

We want it to have this look.

And so there were.

Everyone knew there was a list.

And we just.

We cannot have these colors like that, which.

Okay, so that is actually really interesting, because if you going even back to the whole black leather aspect of this movie, if you watch any other movie where everyone's decked out in black leather, it's all green covered in the color grade.

Yeah.

And that was just.

That was a thing for the dark action movies of the nineties through the early two thousands, for whatever reason, everyone was just like, let's shit green on the screen.

Yep.

And make it all this weird green hue.

I know.

Like, I feel like the matrix kind of, like, made it peak.

Like, that was the best version of what that could be.

And everyone else was just like, oh, well, that was successful.

So let's do that.

But for.

Yeah, that's very.

I love.

I absolutely love when directors put that kind of thought into their costuming, into the set design.

Literally down to, we cannot have this color.

Like, one of the reason Christopher Nolan's movies looked so good in the color grade is because he's partially colorblind.

Oh, really?

He's partially colorblind.

And so because of that, he's very particular with the color palettes that he chooses for all of his.

That's incredible.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So knowing.

Knowing, that's.

That's really impressive, actually.

I like that a lot.

I feel like there's another thing.

Like, we were talking about, like, the importance of the soundtrack of a movie is, like, something like that.

It takes something from good and makes it to great.

Yeah.

It's like, you don't.

Like, I didn't notice that, except I did notice that.

Like, I loved the look of the entire movie, and I didn't.

I didn't think to myself, oh, they must only have a few colors that they're using the entire.

But I did think, wow, this looks really good.

Yeah.

And it even goes back to the way that they built those miniatures.

It made everything feel like this otherworldly kind of situation.

And like, you said, you wouldn't.

You wouldn't notice until someone says, there's no green in the movie.

But it never feels weird.

You're never.

Like, it's weird that there's not this kind of color.

Yeah.

Like, it all feels natural to the character they created in the city.

It's so interesting to how colors influence us.

Like, like, I remember when I used to be a youth pastor, if we did, like, retreats, you know, during the mornings when people came in, we'd have, like, all the tables would be all brightly colored, but then when they came back for the evenings, we'd change it to, like, blues and dark colors to chill them out.

Yeah, yeah, like that.

And, like, it was like, little subtle things that no one.

No one noticed, but I swear it worked.

Yeah.

I mean, color theory is a thing.

It really is.

Yeah.

And it's really the little details.

And this is why I don't love covering new movies, because there's no interesting stories.

You know, this did not have a giant budget.

They were cutting things out because, you know, was the budget.

Do you know?

I can't remember the budget.

I can bucks $10, but you can see a lot of the green screen in it.

Like when skunk falls out of the window, when Brandon Lee's character falls out of the window, like, there's a lot of screening going on.

Oh, yeah.

So, you know, and those were in the miniatures.

The car chases were all miniatures.

Yeah.

So there were things they were doing, but they.

There was such cohesion with the decision making, with the color, the soundtrack.

They're doing these little things that elevated this movie big time.

Yeah.

So it just felt like, and, I mean, you saw it even among the tragedy, but the movie was fun because you could tell how into the movie everybody making the movie was.

So that even after such a tragedy that, I mean, you know, movies are arthem, and so that's why they were like, Brandon Lee was.

This was an act of art.

We want to share it, and I don't know.

That's cool.

It was.

It's cool.

Estimated budget was 23 million.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which even.

Even by those standards, was not a lot of money.

Well, in CGI, I came.

What was it on t 2 CGI, it cost.

It was like 1.2 million /second it's like CGI was not a thing.

And it wasn't available at $23 million if it was basically available to James Cameron.

Yeah.

And that was it.

And just to close holes in hands and bodies.

Yeah, yeah.

It was.

You had to use it.

And honestly, I didn't have any complaints about the couple of times that they used CG because they used it so sparingly for things that they had to use.

Yeah.

And even though that might be the part that didn't hold up as well, I do remember as a kid thinking that was awesome.

Oh, yeah, right.

That was awesome.

Especially.

He's looking through the hole.

But I mean, even today, like, I literally just watched it 6 hours ago.

Yeah.

And even then I did.

The only thing that stood out to me was the fact that you could tell that the hand.

That.

That the hole was closing up wasn't his arm.

Yeah.

But it's just because of the angle that it was at.

But if I had seen that on VHS or if I had seen that in the theater back in the day, you never would have known.

And I think he.

They did that after he died.

Yeah, they had.

They had to make that.

That was a post production move.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Last rando.

This is a small thing, but it's crazy.

Lawrence Mason, who played Tintin, who, by the way, amazing villain.

Yeah.

So many great villains.

It's one of my favorite things about it.

He had a water phobia in real life, the actor.

One of the early things that happens in that fight is that.

That draven shoves his head under that puddle.

Yeah.

They had a really hard time filming that.

He had to, like, overcome his fear.

And so the whole time, they're like, they kept having to redo it, cuz he kept.

He has a water phobia, and, like, he's supposed to be drowning under there.

Yeah.

And so I just thought that was crazy that you got a water phobia.

Do it anyway.

But you almost wonder if the director is like.

I mean, that would make a really good shot.

If he looks like he doesn't enjoy it, like, if he's really terrified as he's being drowned, that would look great.

Like, I mean, it's sick, but, like, they.

Movie directors been known to do that.

Kubrick did that all the time.

Kubrick Kubrick made was.

She just died recently.

Wendy from the shining.

How could I forget?

Oh, yeah.

Shelley Duvall.

That's it.

I mean, she literally gave her mental illness.

Yeah.

I mean, it was like.

I mean, he was pretty much responsible for Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman breaking up.

Yep.

Because what he did for during eyes wide shut was he would send them to therapy, but he would sit in on the therapy sessions and use what he learned during those therapy sessions with him on set.

Yeah.

That's not a HIPAA violation.

I feel like that's breaking some kind of law.

Like, I feel like there's rules against that.

Well, see, that.

That all depends if they're licensed or not.

Yeah.

Did he really send them to therapy?

Did he send them to, like, their friend Chad?

Yeah, he was therapy class.

And in college, like, I know psychology.

Yeah, I watched that Freud documentary.

It was pretty good.

You know, just penis envy.

It's all.

It really is.

It's just oedipus stuff.

It's all.

Really.

As long as we talk about oedipus, we're good.

The war card.

Here we go, baby.

And just as a reminder, you've been doing it on Mad Max, but this is the first time we've done it with three participants here, just to remind the crew of kind of the changes we made.

Since we're doing one movie at a time, it's still seven categories.

And basically we have an affirmative, which is our yes.

We.

You know, we dig it and then we have the no.

And then both categories are named after something from the movie.

So our positive yes, I dug that.

Is the crow flies.

Like, as an.

As the crow flies.

And if you didn't dig it, eat crow.

Okay.

I love it.

Love it.

Yeah.

So.

And we got seven categories.

And also our lovely crew, we had a bunch of people fill out the crowd scorecard, so I'll be mentioning some comments along the way.

Yeah, thank you for that.

Thanks for filling them out.

Oh, yeah.

It took some time, and some people were very thoughtful with their comments, so very, very thankful.

Shall we?

War?

Let's do it.

Let's.

Let's.

Yeah, let's throw it.

Let's fly.

Let's jump from rooftop to rooftop to the sound.

Oh, my God.

I.

I was trying to say something, and you.

It was amazing.