Bonding Over Submechanophobia

In this 50th episode of Queernecks, queer rural Appalachian LGBTQ hosts Beck and Dash chat about pets, junk food, and digestive issues, then reflect on smoking—how early they started, how it was normalized, and how quitting saved Christmas. They discuss teaching, student pass/fail options, rate-my-professor culture, and gaps in student literacy, tech skills, and civic knowledge, plus the poverty-simulator game, Spent. They share fears about cruises and the ocean, mention Netflix’s Trainwreck and the “poop cruise,” and touch on end-of-life planning, wills, and transfer-on-death paperwork. A sponsor segment celebrates nostalgic Wishbook catalogs and their digitized archives. The Appalachian noun of interest is “Fiesta Ware,” and its cultural labor history, before closing with travel and food plans and a one-year anniversary tease.

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00:00 Podcast Welcome

00:20 Pets And Treats

00:40 Taffy And Tummy Talk

02:06 Quitting Smoking Benefits

03:47 Smoking Habits And Movies

05:13 Starting Young Stories

08:15 Poverty Simulator Spent

11:06 Privilege And Coping

12:30 Ashtrays And Nostalgia

13:46 Small Town Oddities

15:19 No More Political News

15:57 Pass Fail And Ratings

18:06 Teaching New Course Prep

20:05 Travel Plans And Cruises

22:24 Ocean Fears And Rivers

26:26 Lakes And Submechanophobia

29:28 Claustrophobia And Burial

30:31 End Of Life Paperwork

31:28 Dad’s Final Wishes

32:35 Probate Planning Nightmares

34:04 Wishbook Sponsor Break

36:39 Digitized Catalog Rabbit Hole

40:31 Devil Wears Prada 2

43:21 Literacy and Life Skills

47:33 Teaching Boundaries and Absences

50:50 Yesterwear Fiestaware History

54:16 AI Scraping and Analytics

56:04 Road Trips and Treats

58:35 Episode 50 Wrap Up

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Welcome to Queernecks, the podcast that puts the yehaw in y'all means all.

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I'm your host, Beck.

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Dash: And I am your host, Dash.

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Welcome to today's episode

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Okay.

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Beck: of us getting Rue.

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Dash: That went by fast.

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Beck: Yeah.

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She's settling in nicely.

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Dash: Nice.

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Beck: so...

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Dash: I got, uh, Ziggy's fancy new

stainless steel litter box yesterday,

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but I haven't set it up yet.

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Beck: Nice.

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Dash: Guess what the, treat,

the junk food I got for myself

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after the dojo last night was?

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Beck: I don't know, what?

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Dash: A gigantic bag of saltwater taffy.

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Beck: Oh, wow.

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Dash: I love that stuff.

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I've already eaten, like, 20 pieces.

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Beck: You're gonna have a bellyache.

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Not to mention colorful

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Dash: maybe.

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Does it do that?

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I

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Beck: eat

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Dash: hope not.

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Beck: it will.

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Dash: Well, that's true, yeah, the dyes.

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I think, uh, sprinkles are actually one

of the most likely one, like blue or...

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I don't know if it's blue or green

sprinkles, but if you eat those,

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because they have so much coloring

in them for how small they are,

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you will have bright green poops.

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Beck: I'm one of the lucky

people that my, my poop does turn

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colors every time I do anything,

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Dash: Well, you've probably

got malabsorption and stuff

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from, from your diabetes.

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Beck: Probably.

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' Cause I have

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Dash: 'Cause I have not how it

works, but mine stays at bay most of

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Beck: I don't recommend

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Dash: Don't recommend that.

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That's probably my least favorite Yeah.

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My Aunt Josie had it for decades before

she passed, and it was, I think...

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I mean, it, it wasn't what killed

her, but it may have been the thing

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that caused her the most discomfort.

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Beck: Yeah, 'cause you get

really bad gas from it.

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Like, I get what I call my egg

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Dash: Yeah, but I

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Beck: like rotten eggs.

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Dash: That's next level.

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Beck: Pepto-Bismol is the only

thing that settles that down, so...

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Dash: I was for, from basically the

time I quit drinking until Uh, when I

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quit smoking a few months ago, I was

taking a daily or every other day proton

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pump inhibitor, It's, it's those pills

that you take every day, and it's, it

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stops you from producing stomach acid.

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Beck: Oh, nice, Like

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Dash: Yeah, Pepcid or, um, Prilosec.

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There's several different ones.

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And because my heartburn, uh, was so bad,

I had GERD, and it was, it was God-awful.

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Like, I could not function.

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But I also had a b- whole bunch

of other GI symptoms, and just

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really unpredictable stuff.

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And then, but, like, smoking is

something that really makes that worse.

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And then all of a sudden, like,

when I quit smoking months ago, I

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ha- I went off of them immediately.

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Like, sometimes I have to take a Tums or

a Rolaids or something, and that's it.

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Beck: That's a major improvement, though.

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Dash: Yeah.

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It is fucking crazy how many

little things smoking does to

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you that don't make any sense.

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Beck: Yeah.

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I can't imagine how much worse I would

feel on the daily if I was still a smoker.

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Dash: Yeah, and it does

get worse as you age.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: Woo-hoo.

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Beck: I don't miss it.

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Like, every

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Dash: One

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Beck: I'll be

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Dash: a guy was in

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Beck: truck, and he was pretty

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Dash: a pickup truck, being

pretty high above off the ground,

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Beck: down, and I

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Dash: and his window was down, and

I watched him put that cigarette

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between his lips and light it up

and take a big drag and let it

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out, and I was like, "Oh my God."

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Bad experience, but I didn't

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Beck: I

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Dash: smoke a cigarette.

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I wanted the release of tension that

comes from that first hit of the You

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know what, like, one of my pet peeves

is in movies is when it's in the script

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for someone to smoke, but the actor

clearly has no idea how to smoke.

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Beck: Right?

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Dash: they, they put it in

their mouth and, like, like,

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Beck: Right?

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Dash: it, it's not even

that it's a social thing.

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It's the ergonomics.

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Like, you're, you develop a more

comfortable, um, like, way to do

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it after practice, and so they just

don't look like a smoker when they do

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Beck: Yeah, I don't think you ever

lose the fluidity that comes with that.

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Like, I could

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Dash: Like, I can still, like

And then get to the cellophane

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and then tap it to stop Uh-huh

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drink to come out.

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And I c- I can't do it with my final, do

it, but I can still whip that shit out

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Beck: you ever flip a Lucky?

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Dash: Oh, yeah.

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Two luckies.

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Beck: Why two?

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Dash: One for good luck,

one for a good fuck.

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Beck: Ah.

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Dash: That was the

thing in my high school.

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Beck: kidding.

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Dash: Yeah.

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Beck: Uh, I used to measure how far,

like, things were by how many cigarettes

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I could smoke between my house and there.

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School was a cigarette and a half away.

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When did you start

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Dash: I was ... I mean, when you start

as young as I did, you didn't ever

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... It's not actually starting, right?

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'Cause you just have one, and then you

never know when you'll have another one.

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But I am pretty sure I was 9 or 10.

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I usually just go ahead and say nine,

'cause that's the worst case scenario.

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And I s- started by smoking the butts

of the adults' cigarettes that they

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left in the, the trays, or picking

them up outside and smoking them.

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Like, I don't know how I don't

have some horrible disease.

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I actually can't remember when

I started, like, buying my own.

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I was in high school.

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I was, like

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I was in eighth grade probably.

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Yeah.

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Beck: in eighth

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Dash: Eighth grade.

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it was because we

transferred to Williamsburg.

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Across the street from the high school

was, the q- I can't remember if it

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was the Quick Stop or the Quick Trip.

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I think it was the Quick Stop.

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And just a little bitty convenience

store, and all the kids would, well,

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they would get dropped off there in

the morning so the parents could avoid

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the school line, like going through the

school parking lot, and we would just

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walk across the street to the school.

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And the woman in there sold

cigarettes to the kids.

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Beck: That's hilarious.

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Dash: if you looked old enough.

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Like, if you were a literal

child, you know, like, they

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weren't gonna sell it to you.

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But when I was b- between

seventh and eighth grade, like

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the summer between seventh and

eighth grade, I grew five inches.

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Beck: Oh, wow.

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Dash: and I was, so I was 5'8" in the

eighth grade and then also, You could

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buy a cigarette from the older kids.

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Like, people would...

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The going rate for a

cigarette was a quarter.

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I don't know how, because it was the

same in Jellico as it was at Waynesburg.

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Everybody knew a cigarette cost a quarter.

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So you could also buy them, and so I

would spend my lunch money on cigarettes.

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And I would save up my lunch

money and, and like skip lunch

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or whatever or go to McDonald's.

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I would use-- If I had a shift later, I

would go to McDonald's and use my dinner.

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You get a free meal with your shift.

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I would eat it for lunch and then

save my lunch money for cigarettes.

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I don't know.

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Like, they, they sold them

to us, like, super young.

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Back then, I think people just didn't

care as much, 'cause we could also buy

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alcohol if we drove up to Richmond.

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David was 15 when we started sending him

into the liquor stores up at Richmond.

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Beck: Oh, wow.

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' Dash: Cause he grew a full beard

and he was, you know, 6'2",

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so they didn't even card him.

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Back then, all the clubs

were 18 and up, too, so

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: When did you start?

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Beck: I started when I was 16.

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The first time I had a cigarette, I was

10, I think, was the first time I smoked

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one, on my paper route of all things.

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and then when I was 16,

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Dash: Yeah

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Beck: and it really pissed me off that

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Dash: And it really pissed me off that

everybody got a smoke break and I didn't.

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Beck: started smoking to also

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Dash: I started smoking

to also get a smoke break.

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Beck: that's

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was stupid.

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Well, Have you ever played the game

Play Spent, like playspent.org?

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Have you ever played the

game Spent it's a poverty

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Dash: So

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Beck: It's playspent.org

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is the website.

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It's a poverty simulator, and

we play it every semester in my

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class, in my women's studies class,

and it ... You rule by majority.

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That's how you make decisions.

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And so the premise of the

game is that you have $1,000

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Dash: you have $1,000 and a kid,

and you lost your home, $100 an hour

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Beck: What do

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Dash: for what you do, right?

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Beck: how far you're

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Dash: But you have to decide how

far you're gonna live away from

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work, and then you have to decide

what kind of job you're gonna get.

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And then it takes your money, and

then you start working for checks,

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and then it just starts growing.

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Beck: Your

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Dash: Stuff that you--

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Beck: is

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Dash: Your car registration is expired.

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Tutoring.

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Beck: $10 in the

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Dash: kid gets $10 in the

mail for his birthday.

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What do you do with it?

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Beck: cream

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Dash: Your kid wants ice

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Beck: broke something at

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Dash: If you broke something

at work, you sell that.

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Somebody bumps you in the parking

lot with his car, you get in

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Beck: Like,

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Dash: an argument with them.

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Beck: have a

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Dash: all kinds of things.

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Like, it's intense.

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Beck: of the game is to make it through 30

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Dash: Maybe 30 days

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Beck: of the,

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Dash: with money in the account.

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I did this once

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Beck: if you

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Dash: And then

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Beck: make it

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Dash: if you

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Beck: it does

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Dash: make it through,

it does happen, right?

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Beck: first try, but

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Dash: usually not the first try, but if

you do make it through, then it says,

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Beck: You

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Dash: "Congratulations, you ended

with like $200 in your account,

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Beck: back on

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right?

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So why was I telling you that?

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We played that in class the other day.

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Dash: Right?

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Yeah.

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Cigarettes.

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Beck: Oh, one of the questions is You're

under a lot of stress and one of your

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Dash: then, and then

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Beck: that the answer to

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Dash: she talked and she answered that no.

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Beck: smoking

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Dash: when I started to think

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Beck: over

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Dash: because Andrews came

over with a pack of clothes.

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Beck: in my,

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Dash: Like, it was finally,

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Beck: program, and

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Dash: my,

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Beck: like, "Give

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Dash: year of my PhD

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Beck: fucking

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Dash: program, I was like, "Fuck

this fucking thing," you know?

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I was stressed out, and that's

when it started clicking.

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Beck: do dumb things

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Dash: people do dumb things all

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Beck: like to point that

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Dash: the time.

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Yeah.

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Beck: a very realistic

option to put in there.

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Dash: one, thank you for sharing

that fucking site because I had

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been inventing that game from

scratch every time I teach it.

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Yeah, I designed, I even made

currency, like cards I would give

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out, and it had numbers written on it.

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Like, so this is gonna save me so much

time the next time I have to teach this.

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It didn't even occur to me to

look and see if anybody made it.

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Oh, that's so...

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I'm embarrassed that I didn't

even look to see if this already

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existed before fucking inventing it.

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Beck: a good time.

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The, in one, in the middle of

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Dash: Mm.

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Beck: have to go grocery shopping, right?

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And grocery shopping as a majority

rules, uh, with a group of 30, you know,

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undergrads is always really interesting.

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They always get into an argument

about whether they should buy

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the $1 drink mix for their kid.

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They're like, "What else

are you gonna drink?

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Water?"

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You know, and they like get really

passionate about whether they should get

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fish sticks or, or that kind of thing.

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And I use you an example.

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I tell them if they don't get any

vegetables, they're gonna get scurvy.

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Dash: true.

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The amount of things that we forget

to even be worried about because

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of the, the privilege that we...

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You know, not all of us live with

access to that privilege, but we

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live with the knowledge of it.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: we live with the knowledge and the

assumptions that we should be better than

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that in the country that we live in, and

then we for- we get got by shit, you know?

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Beck: Yep.

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Dash: talking about the fact that

smart people do dumb shit I don't often

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do this whole, like, I- this thing

happened to me specifically because

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it was inherited generational curses

and trauma and shit like that, right?

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Like, I, I like to hold out a little

hope that we do have a little bit

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more agency over how things go for us.

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But if I hadn't grown up around a

bunch of adults and peers who were

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also smoking, maybe the answer to the

question, "Do you want a cigarette

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because you're stressed out?"

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would be, "Well, obviously, no."

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Beck: Right.

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Dash: yes if I hadn't seen that be the

number one coping mechanism of the highest

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functioning people around me, right?

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Because even people who weren't addicts

or alcoholics were smokers, and so

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a lot of positive af- associations

with smoking and success and well-

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wellness and wellbeing, that stuff's

just part of the, the discourse,

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the, the fabric of where I grew up.

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Aw.

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Beck: Yeah, there's an ashtray in every

one of my childhood pictures, you know.

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That's one of the things I inherited

from mom, was her collection of ashtrays.

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What am I gonna do with them

now except keep them in a box?

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Dash: Well, I'd like to see some pictures

of them, 'cause I love, I miss them,

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that too, like, right, like, the...

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Because they weren't just a

tool, they were also decor.

321

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They, they would have, there

were certain styles, I remember,

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like, the blown glass ones.

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: 00:12:54

Mom had, they had, like, these

bottoms on them to stop them from

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falling over, like the beaded, did

you ha- like, I'm making this motion

325

: 00:13:00

like I'm doing something unsavory.

326

: 00:13:02

But they had, like, the, this,

like, beanbag chair type of

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thing on the bottom of it so that

they were harder to knock over.

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Beck: yeah, so it stayed in place.

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Yeah.

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: 00:13:11

Did your

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I think we talked about it in the very

early in the podcast the sequin cigarette

332

: 00:13:17

Dash: Clasp?

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: 00:13:18

Yes.

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: 00:13:18

We, it was a, I think it was a sponsor,

and you found that amazing image of it.

335

: 00:13:24

That mi- I think that was, like, our,

the first, the first newsletter we did.

336

: 00:13:28

Beck: Maybe.

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: 00:13:29

Dash: that awesome image of the teal

one, and it was the exact shape.

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: 00:13:33

My mom didn't have that color, but she

absolutely had that clasp, the, like,

339

: 00:13:38

the brass, fake brass clasp on top of it.

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: 00:13:40

And I remember, and she

would sit and fidget with it.

341

: 00:13:43

Open it and close it, open it and

close it until it was wore out.

342

: 00:13:46

Beck: Did your mom ever go to bingo?

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: 00:13:48

Dash: No, I don't remember, um-

I'm sh- I'm sure there w- there was

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: 00:13:53

bingo in Corbin, I know for a fact,

but I don't remember if ever hearing

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: 00:13:57

or knowing about bingo at Jellico.

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: 00:14:00

Jellico was a very liminal place.

347

: 00:14:02

It didn't have its own things.

348

: 00:14:04

The things it did have were kind of

in service to the surrounding areas.

349

: 00:14:09

For instance, people would come

to Jellico to buy alcohol or

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: 00:14:11

to get married or something.

351

: 00:14:13

Beck: Right.

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: 00:14:15

Dash: much like I, I don't know.

353

: 00:14:16

I don't know how to put it.

354

: 00:14:17

Beck: That sounds like a little

town called Catlettsburg,

355

: 00:14:20

Dash: Oh man,

356

: 00:14:20

Beck: They have a, a, the...

357

: 00:14:22

Dash: when

358

: 00:14:22

Beck: can get married there,

and they have lots, a few

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: 00:14:25

Dash: you Google that,

360

: 00:14:26

Beck: like that, and it's between Ashland,

Kentucky, and Kenova, West Virginia.

361

: 00:14:30

Dash: the, the slideshow

that comes up is incredible.

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: 00:14:36

Yeah.

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: 00:14:37

It's,

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: 00:14:38

the first thing is this

amazing garish haunted house.

365

: 00:14:42

Beck: Have you ever heard of the

pumpkin house where they have, like, at

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: 00:14:46

Halloween there's, like, 2,000 pumpkins

outside of this house in West Virginia?

367

: 00:14:50

Maybe I should do that as a noun.

368

: 00:14:52

Dash: Yeah, do it.

369

: 00:14:52

I wanna know more.

370

: 00:14:53

Beck: the West Virginia pumpkin, pumpkin

371

: 00:14:55

Dash: Oh my g- Oh, these

pictures are crazy.

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: 00:14:58

Yeah, you gotta tell the

people about that one.

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: 00:15:00

Beck: Will

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: 00:15:06

One of

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: 00:15:08

You have to go see it to really

appreciate the scale of it.

376

: 00:15:11

Dash: Right, 'cause even

the photos looks like...

377

: 00:15:13

I, I don't know, it looks kind of like

AI or something, but it's clearly not.

378

: 00:15:17

Beck: It's 100% real

379

: 00:15:19

Dash: I don't know if I wa- I was gonna

change the subject to Trump's new,

380

: 00:15:21

like, surgeon general nominee, right?

381

: 00:15:25

And then I realized, like, I

don't wanna talk about that.

382

: 00:15:27

Fuck her.

383

: 00:15:28

Fuck them, whatever.

384

: 00:15:29

Beck: Boo.

385

: 00:15:31

Dash: Fox News podcast host.

386

: 00:15:33

Beck: I haven't heard anything

387

: 00:15:34

Dash: Whatever.

388

: 00:15:35

Beck: in the grade book the last

few days, so I've missed the news.

389

: 00:15:38

If it wasn't on Jimmy Kimmel, I

390

: 00:15:40

it.

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: 00:15:41

Dash: Did you finish?

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: 00:15:42

Beck: Yes, I posted grades

about, uh,: 11:30

393

: 00:15:45

Dash: All right.

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: 00:15:46

What does that...

395

: 00:15:57

Beck: me.

396

: 00:15:58

Dash: What, what does that do c- last

time I taught, that wasn't a thing.

397

: 00:16:02

Beck: It protects your GPA.

398

: 00:16:03

So, say you're gonna take a

399

: 00:16:05

Dash: it...

400

: 00:16:06

Beck: the pass/fail, you get more points

out of it than you would from getting a C.

401

: 00:16:10

So, you take that on

402

: 00:16:11

Dash: it You can take it for a required.

403

: 00:16:13

I

404

: 00:16:13

Beck: up to, like, three classes as an

405

: 00:16:15

Dash: it's like

406

: 00:16:15

Beck: as pass/fail.

407

: 00:16:16

like that.

408

: 00:16:17

Dash: three credits Okay.

409

: 00:16:18

'Cause I was about to say,

like, what's to stop them from

410

: 00:16:20

just doing that for everything?

411

: 00:16:22

Oh, yeah, they're- Okay.

412

: 00:16:24

' Cause when we were doing advising

last summer, um, like, that was one

413

: 00:16:29

of the things, like, this-- they

could choose whether they wanted to

414

: 00:16:31

take it for grades or for pass/fail,

and I was like, "Wait a minute.

415

: 00:16:34

I don't remember this."

416

: 00:16:35

Beck: Right.

417

: 00:16:36

No, that's been a thing for a

long time but just, it- they

418

: 00:16:39

don't really talk about that as

419

: 00:16:40

Dash: But yeah, they, uh, they

don't really talk about that.

420

: 00:16:41

Beck: an option.

421

: 00:16:42

You just don't hear about it

422

: 00:16:43

Dash: But it Yeah.

423

: 00:16:43

Interesting.

424

: 00:16:44

Yeah, I wonder why they picked your class.

425

: 00:16:46

Beck: don't know.

426

: 00:16:48

My, my rate my professor says,

427

: 00:16:49

Dash: My body bio.

428

: 00:16:50

My, my, my professor says my, my head

told me it was completed, so like

429

: 00:16:52

Beck: it's

430

: 00:16:53

Dash: I- So there's that,

431

: 00:17:03

Beck: of

432

: 00:17:05

and one,

433

: 00:17:05

awful.

434

: 00:17:06

Dash: I can't believe

that's still a thing.

435

: 00:17:08

Beck: Yeah, they use it like the Bible.

436

: 00:17:09

Dash: Interesting.

437

: 00:17:11

It goes...

438

: 00:17:12

Beck: rate my

439

: 00:17:13

Dash: Interesting.

440

: 00:17:14

So universities all have

a report card on Niche.

441

: 00:17:17

And it's not user, it's not--

There's, I think maybe some student

442

: 00:17:21

input is considered, but it's

also a, a wide variety of metrics.

443

: 00:17:25

But a-anytime I'm, you know...

444

: 00:17:27

I will research the hell out of

an institution if I say I want to

445

: 00:17:30

apply to it or something like that.

446

: 00:17:32

And it's hard not to be...

447

: 00:17:34

If you see one thing, I've noticed

that, like, it kind of skews me.

448

: 00:17:38

I think I'm becoming more

negative, 'cause I'm like,

449

: 00:17:40

Beck: Oh, no.

450

: 00:17:41

Dash: "Okay, so this community

college that I'm interviewing with

451

: 00:17:43

has a C+ rating on academic rigor."

452

: 00:17:47

Of course it does.

453

: 00:17:48

Like...

454

: 00:17:49

Beck: college.

455

: 00:17:49

Dash: Right, and rigor is not, like...

456

: 00:17:52

That's something that is skewed towards

research institutions, because it has

457

: 00:17:56

to do with, like, your publication and,

like, your, your research and stuff like

458

: 00:17:59

that, your contribution to scholarship.

459

: 00:18:00

Community college, professors,

that's not part of their tenure,

460

: 00:18:03

and they wouldn't have time to do

it because they teach a five-five.

461

: 00:18:05

Beck: Right.

462

: 00:18:08

Dash: lot of learning to do this summer.

463

: 00:18:11

There's no, like, guidebook to that

apparently, which I thought there would

464

: 00:18:16

be at least, like, some document that

465

: 00:18:19

Beck: I

466

: 00:18:19

Dash: Right?

467

: 00:18:20

Beck: look at other

468

: 00:18:20

Dash: I basically I figure

out what they're doing and

469

: 00:18:23

there's a couple of things

470

: 00:18:25

Beck: down,

471

: 00:18:25

Dash: to go take those down,

which I find interesting.

472

: 00:18:27

Beck: and then I also have to learn

473

: 00:18:29

Dash: I also have a little

account called person in

474

: 00:18:33

Beck: been

475

: 00:18:33

Dash: class I'm taking over

and how they've been doing.

476

: 00:18:35

Beck: one of

477

: 00:18:36

Dash: I've already been given access to...

478

: 00:18:38

Beck: assignments and stuff like that.

479

: 00:18:40

Dash: that.

480

: 00:18:42

And I'm doing it with

the variant stuff too.

481

: 00:18:44

Like they're, they've already

done the ground stuff.

482

: 00:18:46

Like activities and stuff like that.

483

: 00:18:48

Okay.

484

: 00:18:49

Beck: you know.

485

: 00:18:49

So I'll be

486

: 00:18:50

Dash: Yeah.

487

: 00:18:51

Beck: their syllabus and all that,

so I need to get familiar with that

488

: 00:18:54

Dash: That sounds kind

of stressful though.

489

: 00:18:56

Beck: Yeah, it's gonna be...

490

: 00:18:58

But it got me my job back, so.

491

: 00:19:00

My boss always kept saying, "I'm so

glad you wanna teach the large lecture."

492

: 00:19:03

I'm like, "Well, let's do it.

493

: 00:19:05

It's just one more thing I

can add to my CV, you know?"

494

: 00:19:08

Dash: yeah.

495

: 00:19:08

Right, and y- and I h- have

often thought, like, what is

496

: 00:19:13

teaching a humanities course?

497

: 00:19:15

I've taken those classes, and I've

found them diffi- like, different

498

: 00:19:18

and difficult as a, as a student.

499

: 00:19:20

What is it like for professors to go from,

to go into a situation where you can't

500

: 00:19:25

really have that, like, discussion-based

type of interaction as easily?

501

: 00:19:30

You have to create it in other ways.

502

: 00:19:32

Beck: a class be like around

Well, it's a hybrid class.

503

: 00:19:34

The, the main instruction

is through the internet,

504

: 00:19:37

Dash: Like the city of things like that.

505

: 00:19:46

It

506

: 00:19:46

Beck: to come on Friday have-

having done the reading and

507

: 00:19:48

listened to the videos and all that

508

: 00:19:50

Dash: really

509

: 00:19:50

Beck: that they're

prepped, and then they do

510

: 00:19:52

Dash: comes with one class.

511

: 00:19:53

Beck: on Fridays.

512

: 00:19:53

Dash: I'll

513

: 00:19:54

Beck: I think it's an interesting

514

: 00:19:55

Dash: have like

515

: 00:19:55

Beck: be excited to...

516

: 00:19:56

Dash: 200

517

: 00:20:01

Beck: it'll be worth it.

518

: 00:20:02

Or it won't, but it'll be

my only year to do it, so.

519

: 00:20:04

Dash: That's true.

520

: 00:20:05

Beck: Virginia

521

: 00:20:07

Dash: Are you?

522

: 00:20:08

Beck: Yeah.

523

: 00:20:08

Dash: Though, yeah, to see Shana's family.

524

: 00:20:10

Beck: Yeah, we haven't been down...

525

: 00:20:12

it's been over a year and a half.

526

: 00:20:13

Shannon went down for my

best friend's mom's funeral.

527

: 00:20:15

I wasn't able to go because of school.

528

: 00:20:17

So she's been home since I have, but I

haven't been down since October of '24.

529

: 00:20:21

Dash: I

530

: 00:20:23

Beck: Yeah, you should do it.

531

: 00:20:24

Dash: I wanna try to,

even if I have to drive.

532

: 00:20:26

Beck: Yeah.

533

: 00:20:28

Oh,

534

: 00:20:29

Dash: In fact, I don't wanna go near any

people for a long time because of all the

535

: 00:20:34

ways to go I've always had such a fear of

hemorrhagic fevers and things like that.

536

: 00:20:39

Like, and, and also this is just like

I'm never gonna get on a cruise ship.

537

: 00:20:44

Listeners, if you don't know what we're

talking about, it's the, the hantavirus

538

: 00:20:47

outbreak on whatever cruise ship that is.

539

: 00:20:50

Beck: My niece loves cruises.

540

: 00:20:51

They're-- I just, you couldn't get

me on one of those floating cities.

541

: 00:20:54

No.

542

: 00:20:54

That there's no escape,

and it could go down.

543

: 00:20:57

Like, no thank you.

544

: 00:20:58

Dash: There's a, there's a series

on, um, Netflix called Trainwreck.

545

: 00:21:02

Have you ever watched any of those?

546

: 00:21:04

They're...

547

: 00:21:05

It's just kind of, um, each episode

is a deep dive into something

548

: 00:21:10

that went horrifically wrong.

549

: 00:21:12

It picks apart, like, what went

into creating the, the issue.

550

: 00:21:15

I think the first one they did was, uh,

Woodstock '99, and that was the first

551

: 00:21:19

one I watched, and it's a very good,

uh, example of edutainment, basically.

552

: 00:21:26

I don't know if you'd call

it investigative journalism.

553

: 00:21:28

It's a little bit documentary.

554

: 00:21:30

But they do interviews and stuff, and so

the Woodstock one was awesome because they

555

: 00:21:33

got all of the, or a lot of the musicians.

556

: 00:21:36

Like, Jonathan Davis from Korn

was there, Gavin Rossdale, Jewel.

557

: 00:21:40

You know, people who could speak to how it

act- like, what actually went into that.

558

: 00:21:44

Do you know anything

about how that went down?

559

: 00:21:45

Do you remember Woodstock '99?

560

: 00:21:47

Beck: it on TV, and I

561

: 00:21:48

Dash: I remember it on

562

: 00:21:49

Beck: show.

563

: 00:21:50

Dash: the news.

564

: 00:21:50

Yeah, lots of, lots of issues.

565

: 00:21:52

So but anyway, they have...

566

: 00:21:54

I, I found out, uh, it's a series,

and one of them is on the poop cruise.

567

: 00:21:59

Do you know about the poop cruise?

568

: 00:22:01

Beck: about that in the, in the

569

: 00:22:02

Dash: I

570

: 00:22:02

Beck: yeah.

571

: 00:22:03

Dash: remember it.

572

: 00:22:03

It wasn't long ago.

573

: 00:22:04

Yeah.

574

: 00:22:05

And I was like, yeah.

575

: 00:22:07

I mean, you tell me anything happened

on a fucking cruise, and I'll go,

576

: 00:22:09

"Uh-huh, yeah, that makes sense."

577

: 00:22:11

Like, that's one of

the scenarios I've run.

578

: 00:22:13

Thank you.

579

: 00:22:14

I already covered that one.

580

: 00:22:15

You don't need to tell me.

581

: 00:22:17

Beck: Have you ever been on a

cruise before or is this a new...

582

: 00:22:19

or

583

: 00:22:20

Dash: No.

584

: 00:22:21

Mm-mm.

585

: 00:22:22

Beck: Never?

586

: 00:22:22

Dash: Always been a fear of mine.

587

: 00:22:24

Like, I'm afraid of the

ocean, but, like, not...

588

: 00:22:27

Like, I'm not angry at it, you know?

589

: 00:22:29

Like, I'm even a little

fascinated and impressed by it.

590

: 00:22:32

It's, uh, my f- I'm, I'm...

591

: 00:22:34

I know that my fear is

warranted, you know?

592

: 00:22:37

And so I like learning about it.

593

: 00:22:39

I don't hate boats.

594

: 00:22:40

I'm not opposed to that kind of

thing, but I'm not, like you said.

595

: 00:22:44

Like, locking myself on a fucking

Petri dish flotilla and hanging

596

: 00:22:50

out with, being, or being trapped

with people, like, I, I have...

597

: 00:22:54

I don't think it's claustrophobia,

but, like, I don't like

598

: 00:22:56

knowing that I can't leave.

599

: 00:22:58

Beck: Yeah.

600

: 00:22:59

That's how I

601

: 00:22:59

Dash: And I know that that would be

the first thought I had is s- if I

602

: 00:23:02

walk onto, if I walk on board one of

those, I'd be like, "Wait a minute.

603

: 00:23:06

I can't get off of here."

604

: 00:23:07

I'd probably jump overboard immediately

605

: 00:23:09

Like, you...

606

: 00:23:10

Beck: no cruises for Dash.

607

: 00:23:11

We got it.

608

: 00:23:12

Dash: No, not a one.

609

: 00:23:13

Vanessa has done one, and, you

know, her pictures were awesome.

610

: 00:23:18

I think she had a good time.

611

: 00:23:20

You know, it's, I think she said

there was a little bit of, like,

612

: 00:23:22

uncomfortable or, like, discomfort

just from being on the boat.

613

: 00:23:26

They move weird.

614

: 00:23:28

And I've been on boats before.

615

: 00:23:29

I don't mind boats, but not a cruise, no.

616

: 00:23:31

Would you do one?

617

: 00:23:32

Beck: on several of them.

618

: 00:23:33

No, I've never been on

one, and I never would.

619

: 00:23:36

Dash: I need to spend several months

620

: 00:23:37

Beck: don't know if

it's claustrophobic, but

621

: 00:23:38

Dash: sea.

622

: 00:23:38

Like, months at

623

: 00:23:39

Beck: out of there.

624

: 00:23:40

Dash: sea.

625

: 00:23:40

Beck: And if I was on a boat, that

626

: 00:23:42

Dash: Yeah.

627

: 00:23:42

Beck: and I

628

: 00:23:43

Dash: Yeah.

629

: 00:23:43

R- 'Cause

630

: 00:23:44

Beck: 'Cause

631

: 00:23:44

Dash: the

632

: 00:23:45

Beck: of

633

: 00:23:46

Dash: other option is getting on

634

: 00:23:50

Beck: like, my deepest fear.

635

: 00:23:52

Dash: a ship and going

down, and, you know.

636

: 00:23:54

Yes.

637

: 00:23:55

Beck: I don't like holes.

638

: 00:23:56

Like, I'm one of those people

that doesn't like lots of holes

639

: 00:23:58

and stuff, and the ocean is just

one giant hole, and I just...

640

: 00:24:02

We don't even know what's down there.

641

: 00:24:04

Hell no.

642

: 00:24:05

Dash: I don't like oceans because

it's like unlimited stuff, and

643

: 00:24:06

the ocean is just one giant...

644

: 00:24:06

Like, we don't even

know what's down there.

645

: 00:24:07

Yeah.

646

: 00:24:07

Um, I think we talked about this

before, but the, it, it, I don't know

647

: 00:24:08

if I've told you about this specific

YouTuber I like to watch who reacts to,

648

: 00:24:21

Beck: right.

649

: 00:24:55

Dash: him watch videos.

650

: 00:25:02

Beck: Yeah,

651

: 00:25:02

Dash: Wow.

652

: 00:25:02

I think about the giant fish.

653

: 00:25:07

Like, I grew up on the Ohio River.

654

: 00:25:09

I wouldn't even step foot in it.

655

: 00:25:09

Beck: it

656

: 00:25:10

Dash: I would be like, "What the fuck?"

657

: 00:25:16

Like, I would

658

: 00:25:17

Beck: never been on a boat on it.

659

: 00:25:18

I've never been swimming in it.

660

: 00:25:20

I just, I would never step foot in it.

661

: 00:25:22

No.

662

: 00:25:23

Dash: be like, "What

663

: 00:25:24

Beck: Absolutely

664

: 00:25:25

Dash: fuck?"

665

: 00:25:25

Yeah.

666

: 00:25:26

Not for me.

667

: 00:25:27

Beck: I wouldn't even put my feet in

668

: 00:25:28

Dash: I wouldn't even

669

: 00:25:28

Beck: know what I mean?

670

: 00:25:29

Dash: put

671

: 00:25:29

Beck: wouldn't sit on the dock and

672

: 00:25:30

Dash: my feet

673

: 00:25:31

Beck: put

674

: 00:25:31

Dash: in

675

: 00:25:31

Beck: Nope.

676

: 00:25:32

It might, the

677

: 00:25:35

and

678

: 00:25:35

bite

679

: 00:25:35

Dash: for all this-

680

: 00:25:36

Beck: But I'll just

681

: 00:25:36

Dash: For all this talk, I did do

a summer of white water rafting and

682

: 00:25:41

we were on the Cumberland River.

683

: 00:25:43

Uh, this was when I was 19.

684

: 00:25:45

I didn't...

685

: 00:25:46

My anxiety hadn't, like, reached its

final form yet until I, my, like, mid-20s.

686

: 00:25:51

But I also, I knew I couldn't

swim, but you don't really...

687

: 00:25:55

Swimming's not a necessity when it comes

to white water to, for, um, rafting

688

: 00:25:59

because you can't swim in a PFD anyway.

689

: 00:26:01

I didn't love the times when we had

to be in the lake part of the...

690

: 00:26:05

Like, the parts of the river

that are moving for some reason

691

: 00:26:07

were fine with me, but the still

water parts, like the open...

692

: 00:26:10

' Cause the Cum- Lake Cumberland is, large.

693

: 00:26:13

Laurel Lake and Cumberland

Lake are very big.

694

: 00:26:16

You know, they call Minnesota

the land of, is it 10,000 lakes?

695

: 00:26:20

I'm not gonna say that there's not

that many, but they're also real loose

696

: 00:26:24

with what they call a lake around here.

697

: 00:26:26

I w- was in Alexandria last night,

'cause that's where this dojo is,

698

: 00:26:29

and I went around a curve, or I was

getting ready to turn around at a stop

699

: 00:26:33

sign, and I looked at the sign and

it said, it was, it said Lake Winona.

700

: 00:26:38

And I looked at it and I was

like, "This is a puddle."

701

: 00:26:40

It was just, like, a s-

in a, in a, a roundabout.

702

: 00:26:44

It was, like, just some still water

in the middle of a roundabout,

703

: 00:26:46

and they called that a lake.

704

: 00:26:47

And that's pretty common.

705

: 00:26:48

Like, there are things that I would

never, that wouldn't even get a, the,

706

: 00:26:52

a, a pond name in Kentucky, you know?

707

: 00:26:56

Beck: Yeah.

708

: 00:26:56

Dash: So, like, yeah, you c- I

think a lot of states would have

709

: 00:27:00

10,000 lakes in them if you counted

everywhere a puddle came up.

710

: 00:27:05

But there's also plenty of them that

are fucking huge and terrifying.

711

: 00:27:09

Some of the, like, the, the actual

large lakes here, they're like

712

: 00:27:12

little oceans or seas, I guess.

713

: 00:27:16

What do you mean?

714

: 00:27:17

Beck: Like the

715

: 00:27:18

Dash: Like, the Probably that, but

also, like, the size and the way

716

: 00:27:22

that there's no topography, so when

you see one, it's just that forever.

717

: 00:27:26

Um, It's perfectly flat,

and it doesn't move.

718

: 00:27:30

Beck: Can you imagine swimming in one

of those lakes like in Atlanta where

719

: 00:27:33

it's, uh, there's a city underneath it?

720

: 00:27:35

Ooh.

721

: 00:27:36

That

722

: 00:27:38

Dash: Yeah, that's submechanophobia.

723

: 00:27:39

Like, here, I wanna show you

a submechanopho- phobia video,

724

: 00:27:42

because there's some good ones.

725

: 00:27:44

Beck: Beep, beep, beep,

726

: 00:27:45

Dash: homichanophobia.

727

: 00:27:46

Beck: Peter says hello.

728

: 00:27:47

Dash: Hi, Peter.

729

: 00:27:48

Hi, Peter.

730

: 00:27:50

It sounds like, um, Lois from Family Guy.

731

: 00:27:53

Oh, there's a Reddit, there's a sub.

732

: 00:27:55

Looking for a good one.

733

: 00:27:57

There's one in particular I'm thinking of.

734

: 00:28:00

Th- this is a good one.

735

: 00:28:01

Th- this motherfucker jumped off of it.

736

: 00:28:03

You see that?

737

: 00:28:04

Beck: Are they, like, building

a bridge or something?

738

: 00:28:06

Dash: No, it was an abandoned

crane in the middle of a ocean.

739

: 00:28:10

Beck: Huh.

740

: 00:28:11

That's creepy.

741

: 00:28:12

Dash: It's awful.

742

: 00:28:14

And I, I wonder why.

743

: 00:28:15

Like, is it you imagine yourself as, as...

744

: 00:28:19

Beck: it's 'cause we're

not supposed to be there.

745

: 00:28:21

Dash: Right.

746

: 00:28:22

Beck: One of those verboten, you know

747

: 00:28:24

Dash: Mm-hmm.

748

: 00:28:24

Yeah, a, like a ship under...

749

: 00:28:27

Stair-

750

: 00:28:28

Beck: I find that shit

creepy too, the statues and

751

: 00:28:30

Dash: that shit creepy too.

752

: 00:28:32

Oh This is a railroad

753

: 00:28:34

that a

754

: 00:28:39

Beck: boat.

755

: 00:28:40

But I think the only time I've ever been

on a riverboat was I went on to do some

756

: 00:28:43

pictures for a, a school's prom one time.

757

: 00:28:45

Uh, we were right on the Ohio River.

758

: 00:28:47

And it was a small

759

: 00:28:48

Dash: I

760

: 00:28:48

Beck: so they did their

whole prom on a riverboat.

761

: 00:28:50

I think that's the only

time I've ever been on a big

762

: 00:28:52

Dash: don't know.

763

: 00:28:52

I'll I can find...

764

: 00:28:56

Beck: I knew a guy who was a

submariner when he was in the Navy.

765

: 00:28:58

He, we worked together at

Amazon years and years ago.

766

: 00:29:01

But he would tell stories

about how tight it was

767

: 00:29:03

Dash: Tell stories about how tight it was,

768

: 00:29:05

Beck: like

769

: 00:29:05

Dash: size separation and stuff like that.

770

: 00:29:08

Oh my God.

771

: 00:29:08

Beck: I can't imagine being

in that confined of a space.

772

: 00:29:11

Or

773

: 00:29:12

Dash: Oh.

774

: 00:29:12

Beck: sleeping quarters for submarines?

775

: 00:29:14

Dash: Yeah.

776

: 00:29:15

Beck: God.

777

: 00:29:16

Ugh.

778

: 00:29:16

I j- I j- I can't breathe

when I just think about it.

779

: 00:29:19

Dash: I wear my clothes

780

: 00:29:20

Beck: I wear my clothes

781

: 00:29:21

Dash: I like

782

: 00:29:21

Beck: I like

783

: 00:29:21

Dash: my car

784

: 00:29:24

Beck: big.

785

: 00:29:27

Dash: Yeah,

786

: 00:29:28

Beck: You know,

787

: 00:29:28

Dash: You know, that's one of the reasons

my mom wanted to way that she was buried.

788

: 00:29:39

Beck: she and my

789

: 00:29:39

Dash: was

790

: 00:29:39

Beck: had this agreement that he would

791

: 00:29:41

Dash: originally

792

: 00:29:42

Beck: the, oh, what are they called?

793

: 00:29:43

The vault that you get put in.

794

: 00:29:45

Put that on top of the ground

and not put her under the dirt,

795

: 00:29:48

He put the vault in the ground, and then

there was the, the decorative topper on

796

: 00:29:51

top of it, and that's what came out of the

797

: 00:29:53

Dash: I had her moved, had the totally

798

: 00:29:56

Beck: originally, was to not

799

: 00:29:58

Dash: was to not have her

800

: 00:29:58

Beck: between her.

801

: 00:29:59

Dash: ground.

802

: 00:29:59

Beck: I figure as long as she's safe

803

: 00:30:01

Dash: as long as she's safe

804

: 00:30:02

Beck: that's really all that matters.

805

: 00:30:04

Dash: But she was, she was worried about

being claustrophobic in the afterlife?

806

: 00:30:08

Beck: Yeah.

807

: 00:30:09

Dash: Yeah.

808

: 00:30:11

Beck: or a bra.

809

: 00:30:12

Dash: Cause yeah, I

mean, that I totally see.

810

: 00:30:15

Beck: We buried her in a pink

cardigan that was my niece's

811

: 00:30:18

that she stole from, from Haley.

812

: 00:30:20

She loved it, so we buried her in that.

813

: 00:30:22

Dash: I have not really...

814

: 00:30:24

I, I don't even know what our

plans are for our parents.

815

: 00:30:27

This is morbid, so I may cut

it out, but I don't know.

816

: 00:30:29

we just don't talk about it.

817

: 00:30:31

Beck: if I can give everybody a

recommendation get shit on paper.

818

: 00:30:36

And a will is great, but what you

really need is to have something

819

: 00:30:39

called the transfer upon death.

820

: 00:30:41

like when my grandmother died, they had a

821

: 00:30:43

Dash: My grandmother died, they had a

dream first on death in place and we

822

: 00:30:46

Beck: have to go through court.

823

: 00:30:47

Dash: didn't have to go through court.

824

: 00:30:49

We didn't have to go through escrow.

825

: 00:30:50

We didn't have to of it.

826

: 00:30:51

Beck: It was just his, because she

827

: 00:30:52

Dash: It was just his because she

died and they had it set up that way.

828

: 00:30:55

Beck: she

829

: 00:30:55

Dash: stepmother, she--

830

: 00:30:57

Beck: car

831

: 00:30:57

Dash: dad only car when he died,

832

: 00:30:59

Beck: years

833

: 00:30:59

Dash: took her almost two years

to get that car in her name,

834

: 00:31:02

Beck: it

835

: 00:31:02

Dash: and then she couldn't because

it was in his name, so she couldn't

836

: 00:31:05

even drive it for those years.

837

: 00:31:06

Beck: had to go

838

: 00:31:07

Dash: So I had to go back If

839

: 00:31:10

Beck: dad had.

840

: 00:31:10

There was, like, a dozen of them.

841

: 00:31:12

If I can give you any

842

: 00:31:13

Dash: I may give you any,

843

: 00:31:14

Beck: your

844

: 00:31:15

Dash: A, know what your parents want.

845

: 00:31:16

Beck: have

846

: 00:31:17

Dash: B,

847

: 00:31:17

Beck: insurance

848

: 00:31:17

Dash: if they have life

insurance and where all of that

849

: 00:31:19

Beck: and

850

: 00:31:19

Dash: is going.

851

: 00:31:20

And C,

852

: 00:31:21

Beck: what the plan is,

853

: 00:31:22

Dash: what the plan is if, if they

want it to go to where they want to

854

: 00:31:25

be buried, if they want it cremated,

855

: 00:31:26

Beck: on life

856

: 00:31:27

Dash: if they don't want

to be on life support.

857

: 00:31:28

All of that is very important information

because the situation you don't--

858

: 00:31:33

Beck: Like

859

: 00:31:33

Dash: there's no way to my dad,

860

: 00:31:35

Beck: father, he died,

861

: 00:31:36

Dash: he died,

862

: 00:31:37

Beck: stroke

863

: 00:31:38

Dash: he had a stroke.

864

: 00:31:39

It was a COVID complication.

865

: 00:31:40

He got blood clot in his lung a stroke,

866

: 00:31:42

Beck: was,

867

: 00:31:42

Dash: was awake

868

: 00:31:44

Beck: you, and he cried,

869

: 00:31:45

but he

870

: 00:31:45

Dash: cried

871

: 00:31:46

Beck: That was all

872

: 00:31:47

Dash: before he stepped off.

873

: 00:31:48

Beck: uh, when Mom

874

: 00:31:48

Dash: And my father,

875

: 00:31:49

Beck: we had

876

: 00:31:50

Dash: we

877

: 00:31:50

Beck: very pointed

878

: 00:31:51

Dash: had some very pointed discussions

where he said, "If I'm ever on tubes

879

: 00:31:53

or on a machine, take me let me die."

880

: 00:31:56

Beck: very

881

: 00:31:56

Dash: Very and

882

: 00:31:57

Beck: And then, you know, a year

883

: 00:31:58

Dash: then, you know, a year later he

was that situation and so we went through

884

: 00:32:02

Beck: and that's how

885

: 00:32:03

Dash: wishes

886

: 00:32:03

Beck: right?

887

: 00:32:03

We

888

: 00:32:03

Dash: and that's how it went, right?

889

: 00:32:05

We let

890

: 00:32:05

Beck: and

891

: 00:32:06

Dash: passed

892

: 00:32:07

Beck: but if you don't know what somebody

893

: 00:32:09

Dash: but if you don't know

make decisions or guesses,

894

: 00:32:12

Beck: enough

895

: 00:32:12

Dash: I can't recommend you enough

having none of that stuff in place.

896

: 00:32:15

Beck: a

897

: 00:32:15

Dash: It doesn't hurt you to have a

898

: 00:32:17

Beck: in, in place.

899

: 00:32:18

Dash: in place.

900

: 00:32:19

So

901

: 00:32:19

Beck: have it in place for

902

: 00:32:20

Dash: I

903

: 00:32:21

Beck: That way, you know, you don't have

to go through all of the court system.

904

: 00:32:24

I had to pay my lawyer over 10

905

: 00:32:26

Dash: had to pay my lawyer by having the

906

: 00:32:29

Beck: all of that heartache by

having those papers in place.

907

: 00:32:33

Dash: Yeah.

908

: 00:32:33

Beck: Okay, that's my public

service message for the day

909

: 00:32:35

Dash: my, uh, grandmother, who's the only

remaining grandparent I have alive, is

910

: 00:32:42

refusing to do any end of life planning.

911

: 00:32:45

She's currently in-- She's not in

hospice, she's in a home, but she's You

912

: 00:32:50

know, at that period where every few

weeks they find a new thing wrong with

913

: 00:32:54

her and it becomes a discussion of is

it really worth fixing that or this?

914

: 00:33:00

Not, they're not at the stage

where somebody has said, let's

915

: 00:33:02

just make her comfortable.

916

: 00:33:03

Beck: Right.

917

: 00:33:04

Dash: But she is really enjoying

refusing to to talk about or set

918

: 00:33:10

up any kind of end of life care.

919

: 00:33:11

It's going to be her last

way of controlling them,

920

: 00:33:15

my dad and my uncle Steve.

921

: 00:33:16

It'll be the last thing that she can hold

over them even after she's dead is to

922

: 00:33:20

make their life hell in probate court.

923

: 00:33:22

In Tennessee probate court, the Wild West.

924

: 00:33:25

Beck: Oh yeah, I imagine.

925

: 00:33:27

I was very lucky

926

: 00:33:28

Dash: I was very lucky

927

: 00:33:29

Beck: heir

928

: 00:33:29

Dash: I was the only heir

where I was adopted by Mark.

929

: 00:33:32

Beck: not his

930

: 00:33:33

Dash: My sister was not an heir.

931

: 00:33:34

My brother was not an heir.

932

: 00:33:35

Beck: paper that was related to him.

933

: 00:33:37

So we didn't

934

: 00:33:38

Dash: Yeah.

935

: 00:33:38

Beck: like,

936

: 00:33:39

Dash: So he didn't leave anything to us.

937

: 00:33:44

He left everything to my

sister and my brother.

938

: 00:33:45

And then

939

: 00:33:45

Beck: know,

940

: 00:33:45

Dash: after we paid,

941

: 00:33:46

Beck: of

942

: 00:33:46

Dash: you know, he had quite

a bit of bills and he had

943

: 00:33:48

Beck: the,

944

: 00:33:48

Dash: a house,

945

: 00:33:51

Beck: credit cards and all that kind of

946

: 00:33:52

Dash: a couple credit

cards and all that pay off.

947

: 00:33:54

But yeah,

948

: 00:33:55

Beck: of it went.

949

: 00:33:55

So

950

: 00:33:56

Dash: got everything.

951

: 00:33:57

And that's, that's helpful.

952

: 00:34:01

No, she's, she's still evil.

953

: 00:34:04

Beck: Yeah.

954

: 00:34:04

Dash: Well, let's, uh, take a break

in here from this week's sponsor.

955

: 00:34:08

Beck: Sounds

956

: 00:34:08

Dash: I wore my glasses this time, so

957

: 00:34:10

Beck: Nice.

958

: 00:34:11

Dash: it'll be easier.

959

: 00:34:15

This week's episode of Queer

Next is brought to you by

960

: 00:34:18

Wishbooks, the Wishbook catalog.

961

: 00:34:20

Beck: Ah,

962

: 00:34:22

Dash: I know, like, I, I don't know

how I forgot about them, but...

963

: 00:34:25

And I, I fell down a rabbit hole.

964

: 00:34:27

I wanna show you some

stuff I found online too.

965

: 00:34:29

So the annual publication that

taught an entire generation of

966

: 00:34:33

rural kids how to want things they

absolutely were never going to have.

967

: 00:34:37

Before the internet started tracking

our impulses like a digital bounty

968

: 00:34:40

hunter, there was the Wishbook.

969

: 00:34:42

It was a catalog so thick it could

prop up a sagging porch and so full of

970

: 00:34:46

tantalizing possibility it could keep

a kid occupied till the spring thaw.

971

: 00:34:50

Every winter, that thing hit the mailbox

like a sacred text, and a shoving

972

: 00:34:53

match broke out as soon as the brown

paper wrap slab entered the house.

973

: 00:34:57

The winner would sit there with a red

pen, the others craning over their

974

: 00:35:00

shoulder to dream vicariously, circling

Nintendo consoles, leather jackets with

975

: 00:35:05

more zippers than you have socks, and

enough battery-operated nonsense to

976

: 00:35:09

brown out the tri-county power grid.

977

: 00:35:11

You did this knowing your mama was

gonna flip through it later, cackle

978

: 00:35:14

at your audacity, and tell you to

pick two things under $10, and one had

979

: 00:35:17

better be socks For a lot of us, it

was our first introduction to fantasy.

980

: 00:35:22

not of the dragons and wizards

variety, but of a becoming

981

: 00:35:25

someone else entirely variety.

982

: 00:35:27

You'd linger on the page with the

professional-grade vanity mirror,

983

: 00:35:30

imagining your life transformed

by the soft glow of those bulbs.

984

: 00:35:34

Or you'd stare at the outdoor

gear and wonder if rugged was a

985

: 00:35:38

personality you could just buy

and wear like a suit of armor.

986

: 00:35:41

You wondered if the piece of you

that felt like it was missing

987

: 00:35:44

would be for sale someday.

988

: 00:35:45

And whose business is it really if

you gave all the underwear models

989

: 00:35:48

names and personalities and cut them

out and hid them under your pillow?

990

: 00:35:51

The Wish Book was a tome

of incredible range.

991

: 00:35:54

You had industrial power tools on one

page, porcelain dolls with haunted

992

: 00:35:58

eyes on the next, and then suddenly

a teen bedroom set so aggressively

993

: 00:36:01

teal and geometric it looked like a

: 1994

994

: 00:36:06

These were design choices made

by people who feared neither

995

: 00:36:09

God nor the limits of polyester.

996

: 00:36:11

And even if you couldn't afford

the products in the Wish Book,

997

: 00:36:14

you could steal a bit of audacity.

998

: 00:36:16

It suggested that even if your family

was currently using a Maxwell House can

999

: 00:36:20

as a bacon grease repository, somewhere

out there was a world in which a child

: 1000

00:36:24,524 --> 00:36:26,444

owned a personal karaoke machine.

: 1001

00:36:26,844 --> 00:36:30,414

The Wish Book taught us how to dream

irresponsibly long before we surrendered

: 1002

00:36:30,414 --> 00:36:31,774

our dreaming to the algorithm.

: 1003

00:36:32,174 --> 00:36:35,434

And now, back to Queernecks, where most

of our life choices still felt like

: 1004

00:36:35,434 --> 00:36:37,014

something we circled in red Sharpie.

: 1005

00:36:37,414 --> 00:36:37,594

Beck: That's

: 1006

00:36:38,744 --> 00:36:39,024

those

: 1007

00:36:39,704 --> 00:36:43,804

Dash: Oh, you're gonna love this then

because some folks have digitized them and

: 1008

00:36:43,804 --> 00:36:47,438

archived them on the internet, so yeah.

: 1009

00:36:47,925 --> 00:36:49,325

And I've been going through them.

: 1010

00:36:49,325 --> 00:36:51,505

I got a little lost in this this morning.

: 1011

00:36:51,905 --> 00:36:57,935

This page here has: 1937

and you just go down and pick whichever

: 1012

00:36:57,935 --> 00:36:59,535

one you want, like the Christmas book.

: 1013

00:36:59,535 --> 00:37:01,005

Here's the Sears Christmas book.

: 1014

00:37:01,505 --> 00:37:03,625

It has every fucking page in it.

: 1015

00:37:04,025 --> 00:37:05,155

Beck: Oh, wow.

: 1016

00:37:05,388 --> 00:37:05,448

Dash: wow.

: 1017

00:37:05,660 --> 00:37:07,860

Beck: took some dedication.

: 1018

00:37:08,318 --> 00:37:09,038

Dash: Yeah, right?

: 1019

00:37:09,438 --> 00:37:15,398

And then, uh, this other page here

has all the way up to: 2017

: 1020

00:37:15,588 --> 00:37:17,118

was when this website was created.

: 1021

00:37:17,598 --> 00:37:20,568

They may still have ... Maybe

they still make the Wish Books.

: 1022

00:37:20,968 --> 00:37:23,168

I remember them from the '80s and '90s.

: 1023

00:37:23,568 --> 00:37:23,878

Beck: Yep.

: 1024

00:37:24,278 --> 00:37:25,978

Dash: Oh, goodness, looky here.

: 1025

00:37:26,378 --> 00:37:29,618

Oh, it, this didn't update

to the screen I'm sharing.

: 1026

00:37:30,018 --> 00:37:30,488

There we go.

: 1027

00:37:30,954 --> 00:37:32,434

Karate ninja master.

: 1028

00:37:33,485 --> 00:37:34,625

I remember this.

: 1029

00:37:34,625 --> 00:37:38,632

Look at these, the camouflage

l- what's it called?

: 1030

00:37:38,712 --> 00:37:39,672

A pajama set.

: 1031

00:37:40,072 --> 00:37:41,842

Oh, this one you can just

tab between the pages.

: 1032

00:37:41,872 --> 00:37:45,752

I, I wanted these pajama sets so

bad, these little boys pajama sets.

: 1033

00:37:45,752 --> 00:37:46,794

Yeah.

: 1034

00:37:46,994 --> 00:37:48,844

Beck: I remember I had, Because I

: 1035

00:37:48,937 --> 00:37:49,147

Dash: Because I,

: 1036

00:37:49,264 --> 00:37:49,764

Beck: before

: 1037

00:37:49,807 --> 00:37:50,457

Dash: you know, princess thing

: 1038

00:37:50,674 --> 00:37:51,254

Beck: thing became a

: 1039

00:37:51,387 --> 00:37:51,597

Dash: became

: 1040

00:37:51,694 --> 00:37:52,804

Beck: Like, there were princesses, but

: 1041

00:37:52,807 --> 00:37:53,117

Dash: big thing.

: 1042

00:37:53,147 --> 00:37:54,877

There were princesses,

but it wasn't, you know,

: 1043

00:37:55,104 --> 00:37:55,274

Beck: I

: 1044

00:37:55,347 --> 00:37:55,657

Dash: everywhere.

: 1045

00:37:56,034 --> 00:37:56,724

Beck: Shortcake

: 1046

00:37:56,824 --> 00:37:57,894

on something.

: 1047

00:37:58,137 --> 00:37:59,357

Dash: Shortcake.

: 1048

00:37:59,357 --> 00:37:59,417

Yeah.

: 1049

00:37:59,474 --> 00:38:01,984

Beck: and I had a couple of nightgowns

that were Strawberry Shortcake.

: 1050

00:38:01,984 --> 00:38:02,644

Dash: Strawberry Shortcake.

: 1051

00:38:02,751 --> 00:38:03,301

Beck: one time my

: 1052

00:38:03,574 --> 00:38:06,714

Dash: I remember one time my dad got

really mad at me and yelled at me,

: 1053

00:38:06,861 --> 00:38:07,181

Beck: from the

: 1054

00:38:07,244 --> 00:38:10,508

Dash: because I made the Wish Book,

and I put something like tri-color

: 1055

00:38:10,508 --> 00:38:12,645

T-shirt, and he like, tie-dye shirt or

: 1056

00:38:12,862 --> 00:38:13,422

Beck: shirts

: 1057

00:38:13,525 --> 00:38:20,458

Dash: if I meant, like, the shirt's red.

: 1058

00:38:20,475 --> 00:38:23,045

Beck: So I learned to be very

specific in those kinds of things.

: 1059

00:38:23,415 --> 00:38:24,495

I don't want five T-shirts.

: 1060

00:38:24,495 --> 00:38:24,715

I'll say

: 1061

00:38:24,858 --> 00:38:27,703

Dash: I don't want five T-shirts Um,

Wish Book also became kind of, like,

: 1062

00:38:27,703 --> 00:38:29,723

just the name for any kind of catalog.

: 1063

00:38:29,723 --> 00:38:34,613

Like, this is the Wish Book, so, like,

Sears, like a yearly catalog that has

: 1064

00:38:35,013 --> 00:38:36,343

a collection that they've curated.

: 1065

00:38:36,343 --> 00:38:38,153

Look at this Columbo motherfucker here.

: 1066

00:38:38,553 --> 00:38:40,203

I think my dad had this jacket.

: 1067

00:38:40,603 --> 00:38:42,853

This is the JCPenney's one, so this one...

: 1068

00:38:43,865 --> 00:38:45,875

Beck: Well, a lot of women

used JCPenney because they were

: 1069

00:38:45,875 --> 00:38:49,115

one of the first companies to

give credit to women, uh, once

: 1070

00:38:49,348 --> 00:38:49,798

Dash: Yeah.

: 1071

00:38:50,255 --> 00:38:52,335

Beck: you know, was allowed, women

were allowed to get credit cards

: 1072

00:38:52,335 --> 00:38:53,655

without their husband's signatures in

: 1073

00:38:54,018 --> 00:38:55,448

Dash: Oh, look at this.

: 1074

00:38:55,525 --> 00:38:56,455

Beck: why JCPenney

: 1075

00:38:56,508 --> 00:39:02,040

Dash: salons and photo

studios and, and all that

: 1076

00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:02,470

Beck: Those are

: 1077

00:39:02,843 --> 00:39:03,183

Dash: Yeah.

: 1078

00:39:03,370 --> 00:39:04,150

Beck: You should get one of

: 1079

00:39:04,213 --> 00:39:04,273

Dash: Yeah.

: 1080

00:39:04,323 --> 00:39:06,662

I'd pay money to see you in that

: 1081

00:39:06,909 --> 00:39:08,739

Beck: I'd pay money to

see you in that outfit.

: 1082

00:39:09,139 --> 00:39:09,869

Dash: outfit.

: 1083

00:39:10,269 --> 00:39:10,699

Yeah.

: 1084

00:39:10,729 --> 00:39:13,739

The, I just, every page

I click on is fantastic.

: 1085

00:39:13,739 --> 00:39:15,709

I've been going through these all morning.

: 1086

00:39:16,109 --> 00:39:18,159

And I, I mean, it was...

: 1087

00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:22,459

I don't know, like, this was how I

learned about, like, what other people

: 1088

00:39:22,459 --> 00:39:26,279

dressed like because this was the closest

fashion ever came to Jellico, you know?

: 1089

00:39:26,706 --> 00:39:27,296

Beck: right?

: 1090

00:39:27,696 --> 00:39:28,486

Well, that's awesome.

: 1091

00:39:28,886 --> 00:39:29,566

That was a really good

: 1092

00:39:30,268 --> 00:39:30,588

Dash: I don't...

: 1093

00:39:30,588 --> 00:39:32,608

Did you ever actually order

something from a Wish Book?

: 1094

00:39:32,608 --> 00:39:32,818

I didn't.

: 1095

00:39:33,218 --> 00:39:33,868

Beck: I didn't.

: 1096

00:39:33,868 --> 00:39:35,208

Maybe Mom did, I don't know.

: 1097

00:39:35,208 --> 00:39:36,388

I was never given...

: 1098

00:39:36,808 --> 00:39:40,008

I mean, we were more using the Raleigh

coupons to order from catalogs, you know?

: 1099

00:39:40,081 --> 00:39:40,461

Dash: Yeah,

: 1100

00:39:40,668 --> 00:39:41,708

Beck: the cigarette coupons.

: 1101

00:39:42,228 --> 00:39:42,918

I don't re- I

: 1102

00:39:42,941 --> 00:39:42,971

Dash: I

: 1103

00:39:43,048 --> 00:39:43,978

Beck: may- and Fingerhut.

: 1104

00:39:43,978 --> 00:39:44,108

We

: 1105

00:39:44,151 --> 00:39:44,471

Dash: I figured,

: 1106

00:39:44,918 --> 00:39:45,208

Beck: stuff,

: 1107

00:39:45,461 --> 00:39:45,521

Dash: out

: 1108

00:39:45,618 --> 00:39:45,908

Beck: 'cause you

: 1109

00:39:45,971 --> 00:39:46,091

Dash: stuff

: 1110

00:39:46,228 --> 00:39:46,728

Beck: credit on

: 1111

00:39:46,991 --> 00:39:47,051

Dash: too.

: 1112

00:39:47,451 --> 00:39:47,821

Beck: Uh,

: 1113

00:39:48,174 --> 00:39:48,394

Dash: I don't

: 1114

00:39:48,441 --> 00:39:50,621

Beck: but I don't remember

me ever placing an

: 1115

00:39:50,624 --> 00:39:51,584

Dash: me actually

: 1116

00:39:51,991 --> 00:39:54,041

Beck: I wasn't privy to that information.

: 1117

00:39:54,096 --> 00:39:54,196

Like,

: 1118

00:39:54,482 --> 00:39:58,482

Dash: Yeah, I don't, I don't remember

ever actually ordering something

: 1119

00:39:58,482 --> 00:40:00,472

from a catalog, but I don't know.

: 1120

00:40:00,472 --> 00:40:01,342

It's kind of, it's...

: 1121

00:40:01,372 --> 00:40:05,882

You can see how they went out of

business, how that, because they were

: 1122

00:40:05,882 --> 00:40:08,462

a lot of trouble to make, I'm sure.

: 1123

00:40:08,474 --> 00:40:09,400

Beck: they are still

: 1124

00:40:10,210 --> 00:40:15,580

that are, are doing it, like the, The

Woman Within and the Kingsize, and

: 1125

00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:19,170

like, if you order something from one

of those places, they send you like 15

: 1126

00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:21,029

different magazines from different places.

: 1127

00:40:21,429 --> 00:40:24,829

they still have a very vibrant

catalog order system, I guess.

: 1128

00:40:25,229 --> 00:40:27,849

I got my jacket from

Kingsize, and it's wonderful.

: 1129

00:40:28,249 --> 00:40:29,909

love everything being very oversized.

: 1130

00:40:30,109 --> 00:40:31,482

the,

: 1131

00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:33,370

Dash: Devil Wears Prada 2,

: 1132

00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:34,310

Beck: How was that?

: 1133

00:40:34,762 --> 00:40:35,812

Dash: oh, I loved it.

: 1134

00:40:35,812 --> 00:40:39,632

I mean, I th- I thought it

was, first of all, really fun.

: 1135

00:40:39,632 --> 00:40:43,122

I thought that the things

that they did to sort of

: 1136

00:40:43,122 --> 00:40:43,392

Beck: screen in the

: 1137

00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:47,250

Dash: comment on the passage

of time in the fashion industry

: 1138

00:40:47,250 --> 00:40:50,300

itself were, it was a good amount.

: 1139

00:40:50,330 --> 00:40:53,370

It wasn't, that was, but that wasn't

entirely what the story was about.

: 1140

00:40:53,370 --> 00:40:55,430

It wasn't like, "Ooh, things

have changed so much," because

: 1141

00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:56,060

it's like, yeah, we know.

: 1142

00:40:56,060 --> 00:40:56,800

We were there.

: 1143

00:40:56,830 --> 00:40:59,870

We're watching this because we saw the

first one, and we've lived the years in

: 1144

00:40:59,870 --> 00:41:02,050

between, so you don't have to do all that.

: 1145

00:41:02,492 --> 00:41:07,462

they, so like for instance, there

were gestures to body positivity in

: 1146

00:41:07,462 --> 00:41:11,252

advertising representation, stuff

like that, but they didn't need to

: 1147

00:41:11,334 --> 00:41:11,444

Beck: like,

: 1148

00:41:11,662 --> 00:41:12,522

Dash: preach that to us.

: 1149

00:41:12,522 --> 00:41:14,172

So I appreciated that.

: 1150

00:41:14,572 --> 00:41:17,642

S- and it was done in a way that

showed that it was Miranda's

: 1151

00:41:17,642 --> 00:41:21,172

character who was the one who

was out of step on that, right?

: 1152

00:41:21,172 --> 00:41:24,422

Like she, it wasn't, she didn't

become some like empowered

: 1153

00:41:24,422 --> 00:41:25,482

visionary or something.

: 1154

00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:28,754

So they didn't like go redeem

her necessarily, just like

: 1155

00:41:28,754 --> 00:41:29,704

they did in the first one.

: 1156

00:41:29,704 --> 00:41:36,074

At the end, she's still this like kind

of steely-eyed, monster of the industry.

: 1157

00:41:37,737 --> 00:41:38,747

Oh my God.

: 1158

00:41:38,747 --> 00:41:39,797

I actually hadn't either.

: 1159

00:41:39,797 --> 00:41:43,677

I watched it because I was going to see

the second one with my friend Elise.

: 1160

00:41:43,927 --> 00:41:46,807

And now I kinda wanna watch the fir-

I wanna watch the first one again.

: 1161

00:41:47,257 --> 00:41:48,757

I really enjoyed it.

: 1162

00:41:48,787 --> 00:41:50,687

It was such a surprising movie.

: 1163

00:41:50,887 --> 00:41:51,447

Beck: And then she just,

like, arrived there.

: 1164

00:41:51,447 --> 00:41:51,687

I've never seen

: 1165

00:41:52,045 --> 00:41:53,955

Dash: so yeah, if you, if

you watch it, let us know.

: 1166

00:41:53,985 --> 00:41:54,995

I wanna know what you think about it.

: 1167

00:41:55,395 --> 00:41:57,525

Um, and then Gaga was in

it, which was exciting.

: 1168

00:41:57,925 --> 00:42:01,495

And I think, uh, Anne Hathaway, I've

talked to several queer women who

: 1169

00:42:01,495 --> 00:42:05,765

were like, uh, y- like younger, like

millennials or even like older Gen

: 1170

00:42:05,765 --> 00:42:09,978

Z who, Anne Hathaway was formative

for them having crushes on girls.

: 1171

00:42:10,058 --> 00:42:11,018

And I was like, "I could totally see it.

: 1172

00:42:11,018 --> 00:42:14,638

She's objectively beautiful and

also kind of like endearing."

: 1173

00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:14,961

Beck: know much only watched the trailer.

: 1174

00:42:14,962 --> 00:42:14,982

Very cool.

: 1175

00:42:14,982 --> 00:42:15,509

So yeah, watching the trailer,

um, you know, And then

: 1176

00:42:15,709 --> 00:42:19,809

Dash: But a big, the, the main

complication of the story is the

: 1177

00:42:19,809 --> 00:42:26,739

death of catalogs and the, um,

impact of bespoke apps, you know,

: 1178

00:42:26,739 --> 00:42:29,179

based purchasing or algorithmic...

: 1179

00:42:29,579 --> 00:42:33,179

Like, the evolution, because they describe

the algorithm in the first one, but they,

: 1180

00:42:33,179 --> 00:42:35,099

they describe it as people-centered.

: 1181

00:42:35,499 --> 00:42:38,609

And, uh, Miranda's character, which

is, um, Meryl Streep's character,

: 1182

00:42:38,609 --> 00:42:43,629

she has a bunch of really great, uh,

diatribes and speeches and stuff.

: 1183

00:42:45,131 --> 00:42:47,351

Yes, she is a very good actress.

: 1184

00:42:47,351 --> 00:42:47,711

I mean...

: 1185

00:42:48,111 --> 00:42:48,981

And Emily Blunt.

: 1186

00:42:48,981 --> 00:42:52,301

Like, all the characters were back,

so Stanley Tucci and Emily Blunt.

: 1187

00:42:52,451 --> 00:42:55,621

There was, like, one or two new

characters who were also really

: 1188

00:42:55,621 --> 00:42:57,461

fun and felt, like, necessary.

: 1189

00:42:57,861 --> 00:42:58,491

Highly recommend.

: 1190

00:42:58,731 --> 00:43:00,516

There've been a few,

like, hit pieces on it.

: 1191

00:43:00,516 --> 00:43:01,876

Like, I've seen people trying to...

: 1192

00:43:01,916 --> 00:43:02,786

It's just rage bait.

: 1193

00:43:02,786 --> 00:43:06,106

I don't think anybody who says something

like, "Nobody wanted The Devil Wears

: 1194

00:43:06,106 --> 00:43:08,316

Prada 2 to exist," is actually...

: 1195

00:43:08,636 --> 00:43:09,516

I don't think they actually mean that.

: 1196

00:43:09,516 --> 00:43:11,612

I think they're just trying

to get people to rage comment.

: 1197

00:43:12,012 --> 00:43:15,232

Either that or there's way more stupid

people out there than I was aware.

: 1198

00:43:15,632 --> 00:43:17,562

Beck: Oh, there is, for sure.

: 1199

00:43:17,962 --> 00:43:21,172

Dash: You can never underestimate

the amount of stupid people.

: 1200

00:43:23,013 --> 00:43:26,823

Beck: 54% of Americans read

below the sixth-grade level.

: 1201

00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,989

Dash: have you seen the,

the video, the TikToks, it's

: 1202

00:43:30,989 --> 00:43:32,789

probably on other social media.

: 1203

00:43:33,189 --> 00:43:36,469

There's a kid walking around his high

school handing a piece of paper to

: 1204

00:43:36,469 --> 00:43:38,349

kids and saying, "Can you read this?"

: 1205

00:43:38,749 --> 00:43:43,039

And it's, it is crushing

and, and damning, right?

: 1206

00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:43,869

Like, this...

: 1207

00:43:44,279 --> 00:43:46,119

We have absolutely fucked it up.

: 1208

00:43:46,522 --> 00:43:48,482

for a long time it's been

like, "Gen Alpha can't read.

: 1209

00:43:48,482 --> 00:43:49,442

Gen Alpha can't read."

: 1210

00:43:49,842 --> 00:43:52,332

And we've been able to go, "Yes,

but this," and, "Yes, but that."

: 1211

00:43:52,332 --> 00:43:54,832

But, like, no, this kid is just walking

around his high school, and the, the

: 1212

00:43:54,832 --> 00:43:59,672

sentence is s- something, she wore

a silhouette of extraordinary...

: 1213

00:43:59,672 --> 00:44:03,382

It has, like, it was one of those ACT

words, like they gave us when we were

: 1214

00:44:03,382 --> 00:44:07,367

gonna work at call centers with like,

um, words to gauge our literacy level,

: 1215

00:44:07,677 --> 00:44:09,897

and they were upperclassmen, clearly.

: 1216

00:44:09,897 --> 00:44:12,747

These were older high school

kids, and they couldn't read it.

: 1217

00:44:13,147 --> 00:44:17,127

Sev- like, one or two of them I've seen in

the videos could get through the sentence.

: 1218

00:44:17,127 --> 00:44:20,657

And then, but at the end of it, the person

asks, "Okay, and what does that mean?"

: 1219

00:44:21,057 --> 00:44:21,577

They didn't know.

: 1220

00:44:21,977 --> 00:44:22,477

Beck: Wow.

: 1221

00:44:22,778 --> 00:44:25,628

Dash: Oh, it ha- it was the words

silhouette, extraordinary, and

: 1222

00:44:25,628 --> 00:44:27,488

d- gauche were the, trick words

: 1223

00:44:27,888 --> 00:44:28,348

Beck: Wow.

: 1224

00:44:33,754 --> 00:44:35,424

know I, I often stop and

: 1225

00:44:35,492 --> 00:44:36,302

Dash: I know I have

: 1226

00:44:36,334 --> 00:44:39,014

Beck: they know what I

mean by X term or whatever.

: 1227

00:44:39,427 --> 00:44:39,857

Dash: Yeah.

: 1228

00:44:40,059 --> 00:44:43,326

Beck: like I explain to them what

the judiciary committees were uh,

: 1229

00:44:43,326 --> 00:44:44,806

'cause they had no idea what that was.

: 1230

00:44:44,806 --> 00:44:47,696

I ex- explain the different welfare

programs to them 'cause they

: 1231

00:44:47,894 --> 00:44:50,714

Dash: Welfare programs,

even if they didn't work.

: 1232

00:44:50,794 --> 00:44:51,254

You know, uh,

: 1233

00:44:51,416 --> 00:44:51,876

Beck: Security

: 1234

00:44:52,014 --> 00:44:54,854

Dash: complained to the Social

Security line is a very hard general.

: 1235

00:44:54,894 --> 00:44:56,354

Like they, they had no idea,

: 1236

00:44:56,403 --> 00:44:56,863

Beck: there's a lot...

: 1237

00:44:56,863 --> 00:44:57,213

I mean, and,

: 1238

00:44:57,461 --> 00:44:58,261

Dash: Yeah ... there's a lot.

: 1239

00:44:58,321 --> 00:44:59,801

I mean, and, and some

of that is youngness.

: 1240

00:44:59,901 --> 00:45:00,190

I don't know

: 1241

00:45:00,333 --> 00:45:01,683

Beck: have a full understanding of Social

: 1242

00:45:01,761 --> 00:45:02,661

Dash: have a poor understanding

: 1243

00:45:02,661 --> 00:45:02,851

Beck: but

: 1244

00:45:02,929 --> 00:45:03,289

Dash: Social Security.

: 1245

00:45:03,601 --> 00:45:03,811

Beck: that you

: 1246

00:45:04,009 --> 00:45:07,109

Dash: But those are the things that they

should be covering in school, right?

: 1247

00:45:07,261 --> 00:45:07,841

Beck: be a class

: 1248

00:45:08,129 --> 00:45:11,589

Dash: there should be a class on,

on political or like public life.

: 1249

00:45:11,629 --> 00:45:14,749

I have to pay taxes, how property taxes

: 1250

00:45:14,851 --> 00:45:14,881

Beck: a

: 1251

00:45:15,069 --> 00:45:16,249

Dash: work, and how buying house

: 1252

00:45:16,321 --> 00:45:17,191

Beck: know, all of those

: 1253

00:45:17,469 --> 00:45:17,479

Dash: works.

: 1254

00:45:17,509 --> 00:45:18,829

You know, all of those things.

: 1255

00:45:18,929 --> 00:45:20,069

I'm getting off on a tangent

: 1256

00:45:20,131 --> 00:45:20,621

Beck: should all be

: 1257

00:45:20,869 --> 00:45:21,429

Dash: here.

: 1258

00:45:21,451 --> 00:45:23,681

Beck: should be useful

stuff taught as well.

: 1259

00:45:24,081 --> 00:45:27,911

Dash: That was what our, our

home economics class was.

: 1260

00:45:27,981 --> 00:45:31,681

I can't remember if it was called that or

not, but like it, it was things like how

: 1261

00:45:31,681 --> 00:45:35,351

to boil water, how to balance a checkbook.

: 1262

00:45:35,751 --> 00:45:40,981

It-- That was where like we ins-

And we only took it one year or one

: 1263

00:45:40,981 --> 00:45:45,221

semester in high school, but I still

remember the things I learned in that.

: 1264

00:45:45,621 --> 00:45:50,251

But this is also, it's a, it's--

There's a tension between the skill

: 1265

00:45:50,251 --> 00:45:55,021

of reading and comprehension, and

also what you're talking about,

: 1266

00:45:55,021 --> 00:45:58,871

which is basically just knowledge,

you know, awareness of something.

: 1267

00:45:59,271 --> 00:46:05,751

And w- Some-something we did gatekept one

of those things from them, or I-- if not

: 1268

00:46:05,751 --> 00:46:07,711

gatekept, then just kind of left it out.

: 1269

00:46:08,111 --> 00:46:09,321

Beck: It's surprising to me how many

: 1270

00:46:09,409 --> 00:46:10,929

Dash: surprising to me

how many don't know how

: 1271

00:46:13,854 --> 00:46:15,894

make a folder on their phone, like how

to save something to a flash drive.

: 1272

00:46:16,174 --> 00:46:17,164

They have no idea how that works,

: 1273

00:46:17,376 --> 00:46:17,576

Beck: from

: 1274

00:46:17,734 --> 00:46:21,033

Dash: how to send a file from one

machine to They have no idea.

: 1275

00:46:21,243 --> 00:46:23,223

I have a kid, like- Uh-huh

: 1276

00:46:23,695 --> 00:46:24,735

Beck: .DOCX

: 1277

00:46:25,085 --> 00:46:26,665

because every student has access

: 1278

00:46:26,833 --> 00:46:27,323

Dash: student has

: 1279

00:46:27,525 --> 00:46:28,115

Beck: on my computer.

: 1280

00:46:28,115 --> 00:46:28,225

I

: 1281

00:46:28,313 --> 00:46:29,263

Dash: access to Word.

: 1282

00:46:29,263 --> 00:46:30,213

If I can't open

: 1283

00:46:30,465 --> 00:46:31,325

Beck: or, or that kind

: 1284

00:46:31,393 --> 00:46:32,993

Dash: it, you know, Word

or that kind of thing,

: 1285

00:46:33,345 --> 00:46:33,735

Beck: either.

: 1286

00:46:33,793 --> 00:46:35,033

Dash: won't let me turn it in either.

: 1287

00:46:35,142 --> 00:46:37,153

And I've had a kid that this semester,

: 1288

00:46:37,235 --> 00:46:37,465

Beck: different

: 1289

00:46:37,513 --> 00:46:40,553

Dash: he, he had to try five different

times, but luckily he turned in a zip

: 1290

00:46:40,675 --> 00:46:40,815

Beck: know

: 1291

00:46:40,913 --> 00:46:41,693

Dash: file.

: 1292

00:46:41,753 --> 00:46:45,373

Like I don't know what he was

doing, and finally he got it.

: 1293

00:46:45,425 --> 00:46:45,945

Beck: tries and

: 1294

00:46:45,993 --> 00:46:48,753

Dash: him like five different

tries, like three days of questions.

: 1295

00:46:49,005 --> 00:46:50,005

Beck: file in the

: 1296

00:46:50,213 --> 00:46:50,753

Dash: Zip file

: 1297

00:46:51,046 --> 00:46:52,116

Beck: And that was an athlete

: 1298

00:46:52,454 --> 00:46:56,110

Dash: That's been actually Well, and,

and there's, there's nothing weird

: 1299

00:46:56,110 --> 00:46:58,020

or wrong about not knowing something.

: 1300

00:46:58,420 --> 00:47:02,648

But the You should be able

to find out, you know?

: 1301

00:47:02,718 --> 00:47:06,968

Like, wh- so I like to read comments

on things on social media and, uh,

: 1302

00:47:06,968 --> 00:47:10,418

especially because I like to watch

movie reviews or something like that.

: 1303

00:47:10,818 --> 00:47:15,058

And I saw a really common

thing is someone's like, "Is

: 1304

00:47:15,058 --> 00:47:16,378

this streaming somewhere?"

: 1305

00:47:16,778 --> 00:47:20,378

Why did you comment that

on somebody's TikTok video?

: 1306

00:47:20,778 --> 00:47:22,875

Like, you could've typed that into Google.

: 1307

00:47:23,275 --> 00:47:24,052

Beck: Right.

: 1308

00:47:24,252 --> 00:47:24,992

Dash: But you didn't.

: 1309

00:47:25,392 --> 00:47:29,082

You typed it into the comments

of a U- a TikTok video that the

: 1310

00:47:29,082 --> 00:47:32,248

person who made won't see, or,

and probably won't reply to.

: 1311

00:47:32,248 --> 00:47:32,888

It's weird.

: 1312

00:47:33,311 --> 00:47:34,511

Beck: It sounds like my students when they

: 1313

00:47:38,335 --> 00:47:47,948

Dash: You're gonna feel like this

doesn't apply 100% applies to you.

: 1314

00:47:47,988 --> 00:47:51,268

And I get that.

: 1315

00:47:51,308 --> 00:47:56,858

I say I don't board react

to this dispenser that's

: 1316

00:47:56,869 --> 00:47:58,229

Beck: to do with as they please.

: 1317

00:47:58,229 --> 00:47:58,319

Your

: 1318

00:47:58,377 --> 00:47:58,837

Dash: with as,

: 1319

00:47:59,049 --> 00:47:59,259

Beck: you have

: 1320

00:47:59,277 --> 00:47:59,757

Dash: they please.

: 1321

00:47:59,817 --> 00:48:01,317

Your dog dies, you have a fever,

: 1322

00:48:01,439 --> 00:48:01,509

Beck: to

: 1323

00:48:01,677 --> 00:48:03,067

Dash: you just don't feel like

having a class meeting, they

: 1324

00:48:03,077 --> 00:48:04,297

decide how to use this board.

: 1325

00:48:04,349 --> 00:48:04,849

Beck: students will be

: 1326

00:48:04,897 --> 00:48:14,757

Dash: And over and class system

where it costs money to go to

: 1327

00:48:14,979 --> 00:48:15,049

Beck: you

: 1328

00:48:15,177 --> 00:48:15,187

Dash: the

: 1329

00:48:15,219 --> 00:48:15,409

Beck: tell

: 1330

00:48:15,597 --> 00:48:16,517

Dash: doctor.

: 1331

00:48:16,547 --> 00:48:16,607

I'm not that kind of doctor.

: 1332

00:48:16,607 --> 00:48:16,697

Yeah.

: 1333

00:48:16,837 --> 00:48:19,160

I tell somebody they can't miss

class and then go to a doctor."

: 1334

00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:20,749

That's just the way work.

: 1335

00:48:20,869 --> 00:48:24,149

And over and over, they ask me

to make exceptions to things.

: 1336

00:48:24,151 --> 00:48:24,571

Beck: me that I

: 1337

00:48:24,609 --> 00:48:27,479

Dash: I had one kid tell me

that I need to mark him as, uh,

: 1338

00:48:27,571 --> 00:48:29,381

Beck: uh, because he

was ill, and that was a

: 1339

00:48:29,449 --> 00:48:32,589

Dash: when he was ill and he sat next to

: 1340

00:48:32,611 --> 00:48:32,841

Beck: no."

: 1341

00:48:33,241 --> 00:48:34,521

Like, he, he formally,

: 1342

00:48:34,589 --> 00:48:38,025

Dash: Like he, he

formally like what to do.

: 1343

00:48:38,025 --> 00:48:38,975

I love freshmen like that.

: 1344

00:48:38,975 --> 00:48:39,665

I told him, "Okay."

: 1345

00:48:40,065 --> 00:48:42,365

Beck: He was using the like emoji

: 1346

00:48:42,403 --> 00:48:43,663

Dash: to

: 1347

00:48:43,825 --> 00:48:44,615

Beck: to emails,

: 1348

00:48:44,833 --> 00:48:45,403

Dash: emails, and

: 1349

00:48:45,685 --> 00:48:46,115

Beck: all of his

: 1350

00:48:46,303 --> 00:48:48,265

Dash: he marked me all

of his emails as No.

: 1351

00:48:48,265 --> 00:48:49,935

No, no, no, no.

: 1352

00:48:50,335 --> 00:48:51,395

Beck: So I, I said, "I

: 1353

00:48:51,703 --> 00:48:52,273

Dash: So I,

: 1354

00:48:52,305 --> 00:48:55,115

Beck: this, but your education is my

job, so I'm gonna point this out."

: 1355

00:48:55,465 --> 00:48:58,485

And I said, "This is not professional,

and this isn't professional, and

: 1356

00:48:58,485 --> 00:48:59,745

you really shouldn't be doing that.

: 1357

00:48:59,995 --> 00:49:01,165

So have a nice life."

: 1358

00:49:01,485 --> 00:49:03,175

And he was like, "I

will keep that in mind."

: 1359

00:49:03,215 --> 00:49:04,055

I'm like, "Good for you."

: 1360

00:49:04,455 --> 00:49:06,462

Dash: I said, I hate to say

but your education is my job,

: 1361

00:49:06,462 --> 00:49:07,602

so I'm gonna put this down.

: 1362

00:49:07,602 --> 00:49:09,572

And I said, "This is not professional.

: 1363

00:49:09,572 --> 00:49:10,612

This is a professional university.

: 1364

00:49:10,612 --> 00:49:11,502

You need to be managed."

: 1365

00:49:11,502 --> 00:49:12,552

Like I would keep that in mind.

: 1366

00:49:12,552 --> 00:49:12,612

Right.

: 1367

00:49:12,612 --> 00:49:14,542

Y- yeah, there's, uh, I mean, there's

certain, um, absences that are

: 1368

00:49:14,542 --> 00:49:16,912

mandated by the university to be,

um, verified, excused, and that's it.

: 1369

00:49:16,912 --> 00:49:22,312

That is y- you know, athletics is one or

a competition choir, you know, whatever.

: 1370

00:49:22,572 --> 00:49:25,852

But, you know, anything that's

under my discretion, like There's

: 1371

00:49:25,852 --> 00:49:31,312

no way for me to ensure the equity

of what counts as excused or not.

: 1372

00:49:31,588 --> 00:49:31,948

right?

: 1373

00:49:31,995 --> 00:49:33,945

Beck: I don't excuse,

uh, athletics either.

: 1374

00:49:34,215 --> 00:49:36,805

They get just as many absences

as everybody else, you know?

: 1375

00:49:36,805 --> 00:49:40,345

They have the same rights and entitlements

to my class as everybody else.

: 1376

00:49:40,345 --> 00:49:41,625

I don't care that you're on the golf team.

: 1377

00:49:41,625 --> 00:49:43,195

You don't get extra absences for that.

: 1378

00:49:43,525 --> 00:49:43,865

You make

: 1379

00:49:43,938 --> 00:49:57,895

Dash: You make up the

: 1380

00:50:01,494 --> 00:50:01,854

Beck: think I've

: 1381

00:50:01,897 --> 00:50:02,247

Dash: teams there.

: 1382

00:50:02,514 --> 00:50:04,904

Beck: somewhere that I'm a

good instructor for athletes

: 1383

00:50:04,904 --> 00:50:06,564

because I am very accommodating.

: 1384

00:50:06,667 --> 00:50:07,827

Dash: am very accommodating.

: 1385

00:50:07,874 --> 00:50:08,154

Beck: If you

: 1386

00:50:08,347 --> 00:50:08,887

Dash: Like, I will...

: 1387

00:50:08,904 --> 00:50:09,224

Beck: like, an,

: 1388

00:50:09,247 --> 00:50:12,947

Dash: If you come to me with, like, the

schedule you think you can go with this

: 1389

00:50:12,967 --> 00:50:16,477

and you're gonna try to do this on this

day, then you can make it up, right?

: 1390

00:50:16,507 --> 00:50:20,339

But if you just miss it, don't

try to then And they have their

: 1391

00:50:20,379 --> 00:50:21,679

schedules well in advance.

: 1392

00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:22,419

Beck: Yeah.

: 1393

00:50:22,819 --> 00:50:26,309

Like, the BGSU band, the

marching band went to Ireland

: 1394

00:50:26,602 --> 00:50:27,382

Dash: Marching band with the

: 1395

00:50:27,660 --> 00:50:28,630

Beck: and I had several

: 1396

00:50:28,693 --> 00:50:29,333

Dash: Damn.

: 1397

00:50:29,433 --> 00:50:31,726

And students that

: 1398

00:50:31,763 --> 00:50:32,083

Beck: band

: 1399

00:50:32,206 --> 00:50:32,926

Dash: were very proactive.

: 1400

00:50:32,956 --> 00:50:36,166

I think the band was telling them to

be proactive and say, "Can we do this?

: 1401

00:50:36,206 --> 00:50:37,366

Can I do this?"

: 1402

00:50:37,533 --> 00:50:38,433

Beck: good about getting things

: 1403

00:50:38,546 --> 00:50:41,687

Dash: And they were very good about

getting it arranged Did you bring

: 1404

00:50:41,687 --> 00:50:43,017

a noun of Appalachian interest?

: 1405

00:50:43,187 --> 00:50:44,017

Hi, Rue.

: 1406

00:50:44,474 --> 00:50:45,674

Beck: Hello.

: 1407

00:50:46,074 --> 00:50:48,174

She was too cute to lay-

le- leave sitting there.

: 1408

00:50:51,073 --> 00:50:52,933

All right, this week's noun of Appalachian

: 1409

00:50:52,986 --> 00:50:55,966

Dash: So now the noun of Appalachian

interest is the yesterwear.

: 1410

00:50:56,043 --> 00:50:56,133

Beck: your

: 1411

00:50:56,133 --> 00:51:04,064

Dash: Yesterwear is that

bright, colorful dinnerware.

: 1412

00:51:04,381 --> 00:51:05,131

Beck: or in somebody's

: 1413

00:51:05,484 --> 00:51:05,774

Dash: It doesn't...

: 1414

00:51:05,881 --> 00:51:06,291

Beck: a thrift

: 1415

00:51:06,534 --> 00:51:08,384

Dash: These patterns range

from British floral shells

: 1416

00:51:08,671 --> 00:51:08,791

Beck: where

: 1417

00:51:08,894 --> 00:51:13,003

Dash: or even stacks of very

firm opinions of kitchenware.

: 1418

00:51:13,121 --> 00:51:13,631

Beck: Virginia,

: 1419

00:51:13,634 --> 00:51:15,374

Dash: Made in dual

Western states, if I was

: 1420

00:51:15,761 --> 00:51:16,281

Beck: Company.

: 1421

00:51:16,281 --> 00:51:18,201

Dash: about Nashville,

yesterday was beautiful.

: 1422

00:51:18,361 --> 00:51:20,011

Dad, it was a super popular trend,

: 1423

00:51:20,098 --> 00:51:20,288

Beck: to the

: 1424

00:51:20,331 --> 00:51:21,761

Dash: during the time.

: 1425

00:51:21,798 --> 00:51:22,748

Beck: generations.

: 1426

00:51:23,098 --> 00:51:24,378

Fiesta itself came out

: 1427

00:51:24,481 --> 00:51:27,366

Dash: Yester itself came

out of the Great Depression

: 1428

00:51:27,403 --> 00:51:27,773

Beck: the table

: 1429

00:51:27,876 --> 00:51:29,396

Dash: with little cover of patience.

: 1430

00:51:29,796 --> 00:51:30,876

Beck: and that's part of why I love

: 1431

00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:32,059

Dash: And that's part of why I love

: 1432

00:51:32,206 --> 00:51:32,316

Beck: but

: 1433

00:51:32,399 --> 00:51:32,559

Dash: it.

: 1434

00:51:32,579 --> 00:51:34,829

Yesterwear is beautiful,

so it is also unique.

: 1435

00:51:34,859 --> 00:51:38,309

It's a bowl, yes, but it is a bowl that

showed up at the restaurant function.

: 1436

00:51:38,376 --> 00:51:38,606

Beck: is your

: 1437

00:51:38,799 --> 00:51:40,579

Dash: It doesn't whisper,

"Here is your soup."

: 1438

00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:40,969

It said,

: 1439

00:51:41,166 --> 00:51:41,266

Beck: in a

: 1440

00:51:41,269 --> 00:51:42,339

Dash: "Here is your soup,"

but it was served in a

: 1441

00:51:42,396 --> 00:51:42,746

Beck: we still

: 1442

00:51:42,859 --> 00:51:45,579

Dash: turquoise bowl because

we still deserve food.

: 1443

00:51:45,619 --> 00:51:46,128

It was a beautiful,

: 1444

00:51:46,356 --> 00:51:47,246

Beck: instead of buying one

: 1445

00:51:47,259 --> 00:51:49,119

Dash: color that shines still

: 1446

00:51:49,146 --> 00:51:50,206

Beck: belonged in a room nobody

: 1447

00:51:50,339 --> 00:51:51,319

Dash: like it belonged there.

: 1448

00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:52,929

Nobody was allowed to shame it.

: 1449

00:51:52,939 --> 00:51:53,919

And that makes sense to me.

: 1450

00:51:54,066 --> 00:51:54,476

Beck: been about

: 1451

00:51:54,649 --> 00:51:56,519

Dash: kitchens have never

been about perfection.

: 1452

00:51:56,536 --> 00:51:57,046

Beck: gets passed

: 1453

00:51:57,099 --> 00:51:58,479

Dash: They're about you, like goddamn

: 1454

00:51:58,786 --> 00:51:58,856

Beck: the

: 1455

00:51:59,024 --> 00:52:01,374

Dash: What survives the move or

the divorce or the yard sale or the

: 1456

00:52:01,444 --> 00:52:02,824

church bake sale is somebody saying,

: 1457

00:52:03,006 --> 00:52:03,236

Beck: still

: 1458

00:52:03,564 --> 00:52:04,679

Dash: "Hey, that's still good."

: 1459

00:52:04,861 --> 00:52:05,241

Beck: right into

: 1460

00:52:05,419 --> 00:52:08,539

Dash: Fiesta ware is a bright pattern

that's collectible but not delicate

: 1461

00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:11,019

in any way that fancy china can be.

: 1462

00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:12,679

You don't look at it and

think, "Well, I better wait

: 1463

00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:13,759

for the governor to come over."

: 1464

00:52:13,901 --> 00:52:15,301

Beck: "Put the beans in that orange bowl."

: 1465

00:52:15,721 --> 00:52:16,911

And people do collect it.

: 1466

00:52:16,911 --> 00:52:17,531

Lord, do they

: 1467

00:52:17,619 --> 00:52:18,259

Dash: Collectible.

: 1468

00:52:18,289 --> 00:52:18,909

Where do they collect?

: 1469

00:52:18,991 --> 00:52:19,521

Beck: who can spot a

: 1470

00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,809

Dash: There are folks who can spot

a Fiesta ware across an antique mall

: 1471

00:52:22,859 --> 00:52:24,446

like they've been trained by the FBI.

: 1472

00:52:24,606 --> 00:52:27,586

They'll pick up a plate, flip it over,

squint at the stamp, and suddenly

: 1473

00:52:27,626 --> 00:52:31,045

they're talking dates and glazers and

whether the bright turquoise is from

: 1474

00:52:31,286 --> 00:52:32,566

'52 or if they're holding mugs that

: 1475

00:52:32,778 --> 00:52:32,988

Beck: I

: 1476

00:52:33,186 --> 00:52:33,646

Dash: came just one a year.

: 1477

00:52:34,017 --> 00:52:35,887

Beck: But behind all that color is labor.

: 1478

00:52:35,887 --> 00:52:36,537

Fiestaware

: 1479

00:52:36,645 --> 00:52:36,905

Dash: over.

: 1480

00:52:36,917 --> 00:52:37,457

Beck: just a cute

: 1481

00:52:37,685 --> 00:52:39,705

Dash: Fiesta ware is not

just for the kitchen sink.

: 1482

00:52:40,025 --> 00:52:42,855

It's also part of West

Virginia made in factories.

: 1483

00:52:42,875 --> 00:52:45,545

It comes from a place where people

worked with their hands, where factory

: 1484

00:52:45,565 --> 00:52:48,944

jobs shaped families and towns, and

where something made in Appalachia

: 1485

00:52:49,005 --> 00:52:50,385

ends up on tables all over the

: 1486

00:52:50,457 --> 00:52:51,067

Beck: operates in

: 1487

00:52:51,154 --> 00:52:51,164

Dash: world.

: 1488

00:52:51,164 --> 00:52:52,075

The companies that were

: 1489

00:52:52,087 --> 00:52:52,647

Beck: matters.

: 1490

00:52:52,765 --> 00:52:53,805

Dash: it out today have that matter.

: 1491

00:52:53,967 --> 00:52:54,067

Beck: is

: 1492

00:52:54,325 --> 00:52:54,705

Dash: So yes,

: 1493

00:52:54,767 --> 00:52:55,317

Beck: pretty, it

: 1494

00:52:55,325 --> 00:52:55,905

Dash: ware is cheerful.

: 1495

00:52:55,945 --> 00:52:56,445

It's colorful.

: 1496

00:52:56,577 --> 00:52:57,087

Beck: plans for the

: 1497

00:52:57,105 --> 00:52:57,375

Dash: It was

: 1498

00:52:58,825 --> 00:52:59,115

Beck: bigger

: 1499

00:52:59,343 --> 00:52:59,353

Dash: a

: 1500

00:52:59,485 --> 00:53:00,075

Beck: about work,

: 1501

00:53:00,183 --> 00:53:01,343

Dash: bigger story about work

: 1502

00:53:01,365 --> 00:53:01,725

Beck: and the way

: 1503

00:53:01,783 --> 00:53:02,943

Dash: and place behind your

: 1504

00:53:02,945 --> 00:53:03,265

Beck: part of

: 1505

00:53:03,283 --> 00:53:05,423

Dash: dinnerware that ordinary

objects become part of family memory.

: 1506

00:53:05,643 --> 00:53:07,773

Because sometimes Appalachia history is a

: 1507

00:53:07,955 --> 00:53:08,455

Beck: or a mountain

: 1508

00:53:08,503 --> 00:53:09,143

Dash: union hall

: 1509

00:53:09,275 --> 00:53:09,355

Beck: and

: 1510

00:53:09,423 --> 00:53:10,033

Dash: and a mountain broker,

: 1511

00:53:10,035 --> 00:53:10,425

Beck: stack of

: 1512

00:53:10,503 --> 00:53:11,903

Dash: and sometimes the stack of plates

: 1513

00:53:11,965 --> 00:53:12,085

Beck: in a

: 1514

00:53:12,183 --> 00:53:15,063

Dash: is five different colors.

: 1515

00:53:15,105 --> 00:53:16,165

Beck: week's noun of Appalachian

: 1516

00:53:16,483 --> 00:53:18,820

Dash: Now, Appalachia

interest, Fiesta ware, right?

: 1517

00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,060

Beautiful, a little extra.

: 1518

00:53:20,222 --> 00:53:20,862

Beck: for company.

: 1519

00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,302

Dash: Now always We never had any.

: 1520

00:53:22,382 --> 00:53:22,982

Did you have some?

: 1521

00:53:23,382 --> 00:53:25,682

Beck: I did when I was out

on my own but it's been on

: 1522

00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:26,200

Dash: Oh.

: 1523

00:53:26,352 --> 00:53:30,142

Beck: The Big Bang Theory to, uh, I've

seen it on several different shows and

: 1524

00:53:30,180 --> 00:53:30,360

Dash: I was just

: 1525

00:53:30,662 --> 00:53:31,162

Beck: and stuff.

: 1526

00:53:31,555 --> 00:53:32,285

I had, I think,

: 1527

00:53:32,333 --> 00:53:32,363

Dash: to

: 1528

00:53:32,805 --> 00:53:33,555

Beck: version of it

: 1529

00:53:33,686 --> 00:53:36,556

Dash: say I had the knockoff.

: 1530

00:53:36,956 --> 00:53:39,236

Beck: I don't think I had the real

thing, but I knew exactly what it was

: 1531

00:53:39,236 --> 00:53:40,556

when I started doing this research.

: 1532

00:53:41,056 --> 00:53:43,306

It's one of those things everybody's

grandma has a few of them.

: 1533

00:53:44,415 --> 00:53:44,905

Dash: Oh, man.

: 1534

00:53:44,905 --> 00:53:47,485

Th- there's some photos of

it on the Wikipedia page.

: 1535

00:53:47,885 --> 00:53:48,235

Beck: Uh-huh.

: 1536

00:53:48,472 --> 00:53:48,762

Dash: It's

: 1537

00:53:48,762 --> 00:53:49,832

really bringing me back,

: 1538

00:53:49,832 --> 00:53:50,992

this big display.

: 1539

00:53:51,223 --> 00:53:51,343

Beck: I

: 1540

00:53:53,307 --> 00:53:54,067

Dash: No, me neither.

: 1541

00:53:54,467 --> 00:53:55,887

Beck: We can thank Shanna for that tidbit.

: 1542

00:53:56,287 --> 00:53:57,117

Dash: Thank you, Shanna.

: 1543

00:53:57,317 --> 00:53:58,897

Beck: She knows her West Virginia

: 1544

00:53:58,980 --> 00:53:59,850

Dash: have a catalog?

: 1545

00:54:00,250 --> 00:54:00,710

Beck: They do?

: 1546

00:54:01,110 --> 00:54:02,490

Dash: I'm g- I'm looking.

: 1547

00:54:03,153 --> 00:54:05,143

no, I don't think so.

: 1548

00:54:05,543 --> 00:54:06,533

There's a subreddit.

: 1549

00:54:06,933 --> 00:54:08,153

Fiesta ware subreddit.

: 1550

00:54:08,553 --> 00:54:09,763

Beck: Lord, there's a subreddit for

: 1551

00:54:12,478 --> 00:54:13,798

Dash: is Reddit for everything.

: 1552

00:54:14,198 --> 00:54:15,068

That's a red flag

: 1553

00:54:15,468 --> 00:54:15,808

Beck: Yeah,

: 1554

00:54:17,145 --> 00:54:18,875

Dash: We got scraped by an AI though.

: 1555

00:54:19,275 --> 00:54:19,385

Beck: We

: 1556

00:54:19,884 --> 00:54:20,234

Dash: Yeah.

: 1557

00:54:20,634 --> 00:54:24,314

One day I just opened up the analytics,

and it wasn't a day like we had

: 1558

00:54:24,314 --> 00:54:27,114

released an episode or anything, just

middle, you know, middle of the week,

: 1559

00:54:27,514 --> 00:54:30,834

and it was like hundreds of downloads

and I was like, "Wait a minute."

: 1560

00:54:31,164 --> 00:54:36,014

And then I looked at the map and

they were all over the globe.

: 1561

00:54:36,194 --> 00:54:39,424

Um, but a lot of them came out of Vietnam,

and that's kind of a dead giveaway.

: 1562

00:54:39,674 --> 00:54:42,944

F- like Finland, Vietnam, like there,

that's where the big data centers

: 1563

00:54:42,944 --> 00:54:44,264

are, and also the newest ones.

: 1564

00:54:44,664 --> 00:54:50,514

And it was last month sometime,

and in March Google launched some

: 1565

00:54:50,514 --> 00:54:54,904

new LLM thing, and so I would

say a lot of folks got scraped.

: 1566

00:54:55,304 --> 00:54:57,294

So, um, I, I don't know.

: 1567

00:54:57,294 --> 00:55:01,814

I f- I feel kind of some ways

about it, but it's kind of...

: 1568

00:55:01,814 --> 00:55:09,044

It's, so it's like y- yeah, now, now an

AI has all the stuff we say, but also it

: 1569

00:55:09,044 --> 00:55:10,714

thought that we were a credible source

: 1570

00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:15,280

. So, somehow it got convinced that, that...

: 1571

00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:18,790

I think it, um, it's looking

for like a, experiences, right?

: 1572

00:55:18,790 --> 00:55:23,570

Like ins- like the next stage of LLM

learning is onto human experiences.

: 1573

00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:24,990

So I don't know.

: 1574

00:55:25,390 --> 00:55:26,640

What happens if you Google us?

: 1575

00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:27,800

Beck: We're fancy.

: 1576

00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,820

Dash: I'll have to open

up a incognito window.

: 1577

00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:32,730

Beck: Did you know your mommy is fancy?

: 1578

00:55:33,130 --> 00:55:35,040

She was unaware that her mommy was fancy.

: 1579

00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,110

She's doing so good.

: 1580

00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:40,380

But I'm, I'm interested to see how

she's gonna do on the road trip when

: 1581

00:55:40,380 --> 00:55:45,380

we have to pee in, in different places

and, know, we'll see how that goes.

: 1582

00:55:45,780 --> 00:55:49,330

Dash: Well, Spotify Global.

: 1583

00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:50,900

Oh, is this our website?

: 1584

00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:52,040

Yeah, it is.

: 1585

00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,230

Beck: Which needs desperately updated.

: 1586

00:55:54,430 --> 00:55:55,200

' Cause I'm paying for

: 1587

00:55:55,810 --> 00:55:57,040

Dash: Yeah, ain't that the way?

: 1588

00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,640

Yeah, mostly our episodes come

up, which, you know, makes sense.

: 1589

00:56:04,757 --> 00:56:06,657

I'm, uh, driving up to Fargo.

: 1590

00:56:12,768 --> 00:56:18,708

And I knew I wasn't gonna get up at 3:00

and be on the road by 4:00 or whatever.

: 1591

00:56:19,108 --> 00:56:21,748

And if I was, it wouldn't be...

: 1592

00:56:21,838 --> 00:56:25,908

Like, I would, might be sleepy or

something, so I just got a hotel.

: 1593

00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:26,110

Beck: possible to get it done

in time for the deadline.

: 1594

00:56:26,110 --> 00:56:26,220

But

: 1595

00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:27,150

Dash: I had some,

: 1596

00:56:27,369 --> 00:56:27,409

Beck: I'm working on it.

: 1597

00:56:27,409 --> 00:56:27,419

And,

: 1598

00:56:27,427 --> 00:56:28,557

Dash: rewards points

: 1599

00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:30,470

left over from when I was a recruiter.

: 1600

00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:32,730

I traveled all the time and

stayed at hotels and stuff.

: 1601

00:56:32,852 --> 00:56:33,502

Beck: for shows.

: 1602

00:56:33,502 --> 00:56:33,612

So

: 1603

00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:36,620

Dash: I got a hotel

there in Fargo for, like,

: 1604

00:56:36,620 --> 00:56:37,805

Beck: going to Dallas.

: 1605

00:56:37,825 --> 00:56:39,655

And for it.

: 1606

00:56:39,655 --> 00:56:39,825

Yeah.

: 1607

00:56:39,985 --> 00:56:40,585

Get

: 1608

00:56:40,733 --> 00:56:42,573

Dash: uh, get up at 4:00 AM and

you're like, "There's no way

: 1609

00:56:42,573 --> 00:56:43,753

I can drive, I'm too sleepy."

: 1610

00:56:43,753 --> 00:56:45,293

'Cause I'm, like, fucking narcoleptic.

: 1611

00:56:45,293 --> 00:56:47,593

If I'm too sleepy to

drive, I will fall asleep.

: 1612

00:56:47,993 --> 00:56:48,033

Beck: 5:00 in the morning.

: 1613

00:56:48,043 --> 00:56:48,322

Yeah.

: 1614

00:56:48,722 --> 00:56:49,772

I try to be very careful

: 1615

00:56:50,442 --> 00:56:52,572

I'm not a good driver when I'm sleepy.

: 1616

00:56:52,855 --> 00:56:56,065

Dash: I've had to, like, especially when

I was r- on the road for recruitment,

: 1617

00:56:56,465 --> 00:56:59,725

I've had to, like, stop on the side

of the road and lay the chair back

: 1618

00:56:59,725 --> 00:57:01,315

and sleep to, like, take a nap.

: 1619

00:57:01,315 --> 00:57:04,785

And this is before I had been,

had done the sleep study and

: 1620

00:57:04,785 --> 00:57:06,835

knew that I had a sleep disorder.

: 1621

00:57:07,235 --> 00:57:09,015

But I was like, "This isn't safe.

: 1622

00:57:09,015 --> 00:57:11,665

I'm gonna die or kill

somebody or wreck this car."

: 1623

00:57:12,057 --> 00:57:15,367

it's not as bad now that I have, you

know, treatment and stuff, but still.

: 1624

00:57:15,733 --> 00:57:16,053

Beck: Yeah.

: 1625

00:57:16,291 --> 00:57:20,121

Dash: So I'm gonna go to Fargo and maybe,

uh, I might e- eat something interesting,

: 1626

00:57:20,121 --> 00:57:22,511

get some Thai food, might see a movie.

: 1627

00:57:22,511 --> 00:57:24,031

They have actual movie theaters there.

: 1628

00:57:24,031 --> 00:57:24,481

I don't know.

: 1629

00:57:24,671 --> 00:57:26,581

Might do some stuff

that you do in a place.

: 1630

00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:27,800

What about

: 1631

00:57:28,766 --> 00:57:29,226

Beck: I'm gonna

: 1632

00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:32,314

Dash: you?

: 1633

00:57:32,564 --> 00:57:33,524

I'm gonna give the dog

: 1634

00:57:33,886 --> 00:57:34,106

Beck: and

: 1635

00:57:34,174 --> 00:57:37,124

Dash: and then come back and pretty much

: 1636

00:57:37,226 --> 00:57:37,286

Beck: I

: 1637

00:57:37,394 --> 00:57:39,254

Dash: take the day off

because I deserve it.

: 1638

00:57:39,574 --> 00:57:42,024

I got my grades in this

morning and Hell yeah.

: 1639

00:57:42,226 --> 00:57:42,386

Beck: when I

: 1640

00:57:42,404 --> 00:57:44,444

Dash: And then when I get back from

: 1641

00:57:44,686 --> 00:57:44,806

Beck: it's

: 1642

00:57:44,874 --> 00:57:45,604

Dash: little vacation, it's

: 1643

00:57:45,716 --> 00:57:46,496

Beck: the dissertation,

: 1644

00:57:46,514 --> 00:57:48,136

Dash: dive back Well, that'll be good.

: 1645

00:57:48,546 --> 00:57:50,086

Get a reset, get back to work.

: 1646

00:57:50,086 --> 00:57:50,256

Yeah.

: 1647

00:57:50,656 --> 00:57:52,646

Beck: Yeah, I get to go

get some Giovanni's, so I'm

: 1648

00:57:52,646 --> 00:57:53,816

very excited about that.

: 1649

00:57:54,156 --> 00:57:55,616

And then there's this bakery in,

: 1650

00:57:55,734 --> 00:57:55,964

Dash: And then there's a

: 1651

00:57:56,006 --> 00:57:57,676

Beck: Boston called Scent from Heaven,

: 1652

00:57:58,084 --> 00:57:58,599

Dash: they make they make,

: 1653

00:57:58,621 --> 00:57:58,901

Beck: make,

: 1654

00:57:59,019 --> 00:57:59,963

Dash: and then they

deep-fry them in icing.

: 1655

00:57:59,963 --> 00:58:00,103

They are so

: 1656

00:58:00,215 --> 00:58:00,605

Beck: and then they

: 1657

00:58:00,823 --> 00:58:01,933

Dash: ridiculously good,

but they are delicious.

: 1658

00:58:01,955 --> 00:58:02,225

Beck: them in

: 1659

00:58:02,243 --> 00:58:09,991

Dash: Like That sounds awesome.

: 1660

00:58:10,303 --> 00:58:13,373

Beck: I'm gonna get me one of

those, and maybe some Tutors too.

: 1661

00:58:13,773 --> 00:58:14,343

My diabetic

: 1662

00:58:14,491 --> 00:58:14,561

Dash: Yeah,

: 1663

00:58:14,713 --> 00:58:16,113

Beck: not need that, but

I'm getting it anyway.

: 1664

00:58:16,113 --> 00:58:16,753

I don't care.

: 1665

00:58:17,191 --> 00:58:17,361

Dash: but

: 1666

00:58:17,703 --> 00:58:18,683

Beck: in a two-year trip.

: 1667

00:58:18,871 --> 00:58:20,071

Dash: again

: 1668

00:58:20,103 --> 00:58:20,553

Beck: kill me.

: 1669

00:58:20,953 --> 00:58:22,503

Dash: Yeah, the diet starts Monday.

: 1670

00:58:22,903 --> 00:58:26,493

Beck: Yeah, no, I'll, I, I try to be

more careful than I used to be, for sure.

: 1671

00:58:26,933 --> 00:58:28,383

Uh, but I ain't skipping a donut.

: 1672

00:58:28,383 --> 00:58:29,953

That's, that's, that's all there is to it.

: 1673

00:58:30,353 --> 00:58:30,783

Dash: Right.

: 1674

00:58:31,183 --> 00:58:34,213

Yeah, whenever I go home, I'm definitely

hitting up, like, my favorite diner.

: 1675

00:58:34,613 --> 00:58:34,953

Beck: Yeah.

: 1676

00:58:35,353 --> 00:58:37,803

Dash: Well, congratulations on

getting out of the school year.

: 1677

00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,890

That goes for everybody

else who was in one.

: 1678

00:58:41,286 --> 00:58:42,656

thanks for another week.

: 1679

00:58:42,826 --> 00:58:44,276

This is our 50th episode.

: 1680

00:58:44,526 --> 00:58:46,706

As promised, we didn't do

anything special at all.

: 1681

00:58:48,038 --> 00:58:52,388

Uh, but, you know, maybe for our one-year

anniversary, which is next month.

: 1682

00:58:52,788 --> 00:58:53,078

Beck: Yeah.

: 1683

00:58:53,478 --> 00:58:54,138

That'll be easier.

: 1684

00:58:54,138 --> 00:58:54,618

That'll be...

: 1685

00:58:54,618 --> 00:58:54,698

We,

: 1686

00:58:55,025 --> 00:58:55,285

Dash: Well,

: 1687

00:58:55,338 --> 00:58:55,738

Beck: two weeks to

: 1688

00:58:56,178 --> 00:58:56,508

so...

: 1689

00:58:56,645 --> 00:58:58,035

Dash: a little bit more time.

: 1690

00:58:58,606 --> 00:59:03,356

Um, but yeah, have a, have a good week

everyone, and we'll see you next time.

: 1691

00:59:03,356 --> 00:59:04,366

Say hi to your mom and them.

: 1692

00:59:04,766 --> 00:59:05,226

Beck: Bye.

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