This week on Living the Call Deacon Charlie talks with Martin Ford, a graphic designer, project manager and founder of Harbor: an organization that partners with parishes to transform former convent buildings into places where young adults can live, work and grow in Catholic community.

In this episode, Deacon Charlie and Martin discuss Martin’s life as a proud San Francisco native of Mexican-descent and why he recently moved to Mexico. They talk about his most recent entrepreneurial project and explore the mystery of us each being essential to the plan of God and at the same time not “necessary.”