Laura and Xhafer sort the Significant Seven into the seven deadly sins. Laura thinks things are inherently less serious in two-minute chunks. Xhafer clocks shoulder pads that would make Madonna jealous. This episode covers the Battlestar Galactica Season 4 webisodes: Face of the Enemy.

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Hello, and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well-done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two former

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strangers, now friends, who are currently

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I'm Jafare.

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Laura: And I'm Laura

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Xhafer: And today we are talking about

the Season 4 webisodes, Face of the Enemy.

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But before we get to that, last

week you said you had a little thing

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you wanted to talk about to fill

some time, and given that this is,

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like, 30 minutes tops of media,

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Xhafer: One of these episodes was,

like, a minute 50 seconds of these

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Laura: For real.

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Yeah

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Xhafer: uh, you said you had

something you wanted to do.

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I don't know what it is.

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Let's hear what's going

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Laura: It's, it's something

silly that I came up with.

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I'm looking back through my notes.

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Xhafer: I could use something silly

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Laura: it is pretty silly, I think, 'cause

I don't think the show actually intended

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for me to do this, but I did it anyway.

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I came up with it back on May

22nd when I watched Revelations.

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Yeah, so it's been a minute.

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I've been waiting.

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I've been waiting.

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But it was too silly to put

at the end of Revelations,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: and then it was too silly for

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get through some more serious shit.

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But here we are on webisodes,

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Xhafer: Yeah, let's

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Laura: which inherently feel

a little less serious, even

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though these ones are pretty,

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Xhafer: Pretty fucking serious.

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Pretty, pretty serious

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Laura: But it's hard to, you know,

when everything is, like, in two-minute

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chunks, it's just a little less serious

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Xhafer: The thing that makes it

hard for me is not the length of

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the episode, it's like the overlap.

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It's like

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: 15 to 45 seconds of the episode

is the start of, of the next one

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Laura: Yeah.

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So I was, I was feeling silly after

Revelations when I was writing all

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my tinfoil theories, and I also

decided to assign the significant

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seven to the seven deadly sins.

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Xhafer: Oh, fun

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Laura: Although maybe it's not

a direct mapping 'cause that's

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what the writers never intended.

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But I decided that Deanna…

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Ooh, I actually changed this, I think.

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Okay, Deanna and Cavill is hard to choose,

but I think Deanna is pride, perhaps.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: that

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Laura: And Cavill is

wrath, is what I put down.

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But I think I originally had

it the other way, that Deanna

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was wrath and Cavill was pride.

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Which do you like better?

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Xhafer: episode.

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Laura: Ah, which do you like better?

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Xhafer: I would 100% put Cavill as Wrath.

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Laura: Okay

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Xhafer: I would even…

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if, if Cavill is not

Pride, Cavill is Wrath.

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Laura: Yeah.

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And I think I

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Xhafer: Tiana is Wrath

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Laura: I, well, I, you know, with her,

like, starting to kill civilians really

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quickly in that last episode, I, I think

that's where I was landing on wrath.

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But I, I feel like the person who goes

to see the gods, their, our five final

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Cylons, is proud of themselves, right?

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Xhafer: Yes.

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The last person who defied the gods and

was smote for their hubris was so weak.

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I am so much better, I surely

won't be smote by the gods.

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Laura: Right.

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Right.

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Xhafer: right?

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Laura: Yeah.

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I, I think that's, I

think pride is Deanna.

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and then Sharon I had as envy because

it seems like the eights just,

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like, they see someone do something

around them and they're like, "Oh,

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yes, I wanna be just like that."

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm

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Laura: Like, they don't have

a strong sense of themself.

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They're envious of everyone around

them and something that they have

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Xhafer: when one of them does have a

strong sense of self, they just glom

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Laura: They're like, "Oh,

Athena, you're so cool.

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We wanna be just like you."

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: So Sharon's our envy.

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Uh, Six.

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I think six might go

without saying, right?

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: Six is…

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Xhafer: No?

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Laura: six is the lusty model.

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Xhafer: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That makes sense.

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Okay

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Laura: But I guess you

could also be like, "Hmm."

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Xhafer: no, I was fucking around.

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It's lustrous.

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Laura: Okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Actually, gluttony was the

hardest because, like, you

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know, n- that's what I…

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S- Simon is always after them ovaries.

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He's just glutton-

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Xhafer: always after something.

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Simon wants more.

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Anytime we see Simon,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: he needs more of a thing

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Laura: Especially people's

ovaries, just like

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Xhafer: That, that being

one of the main things, yeah

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Laura: Well, and I, I asked Erin after

watching the webisodes, I was like,

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"Are we ever gonna see Simon again?"

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Like, we have not seen Simon in a minute

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Xhafer: seen Salmon, Salmon.

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We haven't seen Salmon.

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We

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Laura: I could see some salmon right now.

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Mm

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Xhafer: Seaman.

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We haven't seen Simon, Dorle

or Cavill since the split

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Laura: Yeah.

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But

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Xhafer: on the same side of that split

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Laura: even when we were doing the split,

we didn't really see Simon that much.

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Like, the actor, like, where he at?

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Xhafer: Doing stuff probably

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Laura: Yeah, probably doing stuff.

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so if we see him again, that'd be great.

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But I, I wound up assigning

Gluttoney to him 'cause I was like,

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"Eh, I feel like everybody else

is pretty, pretty easy to assign."

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Uh, I have Leoben as Sloth because

obviously if he had his own base ship,

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it would be a freaking disaster, right?

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And he's the ferret guy.

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Xhafer: He's 100, yeah

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Laura: Also, he- things have

gotten a little hard in this

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last episode, and he's a little

freaked out, and he just ran away.

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He's not gonna do the hard shit

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Xhafer: He was doing

Heroes and The Mentalist.

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God,

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Laura: Oh, wow

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Xhafer: shows, the shows he did during

Battlestar Galactica's run, just during.

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12 episodes of Eyes, four episodes of

Fallen, a Fallen TV movie, The Journeyman,

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Eli Stone, Brothers & Sisters, Saving

Grace, Duplicity, The Mentalist, Heroes,

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Laura: Wow

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Xhafer: during the run

of Battlestar Galactica

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Laura: He really did want more

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Xhafer: And right before it started, he

was in 10 episodes of Enterprise as Jinaar

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Laura: Wow.

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Okay.

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He's a busy boy

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Xhafer: He's a busy boy.

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After it was done, just 'cause

I got his IMDb open, he did

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a handful of episodes of CSI.

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He was in six episodes of Vampire Diaries.

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He's a main character in

The Man in the High Castle.

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Um, he's Henry Fogg in The

Magicians, if you watch that show.

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He's in, like, two-thirds of that show

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: Anyways

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Laura: Okay, last one.

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Dorle, he's greed.

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He feels very greedy to me.

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He definitely has that kind

of a face It's just his face

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Xhafer: yeah, he's an investment banker.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: works in private equity.

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Can't tell me otherwise

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Laura: Exactly.

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Private Xylon equity.

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The worst kind.

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Yeah, but this, these webisodes

got nothing to do with that

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Xhafer: Nope.

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start nine days after the discovery of

the Earth wasteland, we actually rewind

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three days, so it's really six days after.

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Laura: Oh yeah, we did that thing

where we went to the end first

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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But only for, like, a half second.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: "Gaeta's gonna have

a bad day in three days."

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Um, and

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Laura: It's like, Gaeta's gonna be in

this position or something it says on

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the, the screen, and then you get this

montage of, like, a lot of blood, I think.

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And I was like, "I can't

tell what any of this is.

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I don't know what's happening."

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Xhafer: Also, like, this episode

establishes a 20-hour timer very early on.

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How does it last

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Laura: yeah, it does.

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Yeah, it does.

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Well, I guess, I mean, I guess

people keep dying, so we get-- we

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don't need as much oxygen anymore.

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Xhafer: Maybe.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: anyways six days before Ty

puts Gaeta on leave, he clarifies

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that this is a gift, not a punishment

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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He needs to relax.

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He's not getting enough sleep.

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Gata says something about, "I've

gotten a couple hours," and

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Ty's like, "That's not enough.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: you're gonna go get drunk on the

Zephyr and sleep for a week, please."

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Go do that thing.

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Laura: Your order too.

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Xhafer: Hoshi sees him off here, gets

him a pile of morpha for his trip.

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hey, Gaeta and Hoshi

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Laura: Yeah, they're

together, and that's great.

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That seems fine.

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Dysmorphia does not seem legal though.

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Like, it seems like we're implying

Gaeta has a problem, right?

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Like,

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Xhafer: I mean

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Laura: is it med- is

it medicinal for sure?

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Xhafer: I mean, he does like have

like a lot of leg pain and stuff.

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Like still, you know, he's recovering from

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Laura: Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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For sure.

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But Hoshi makes a remark about, a

remark about how it's hard to get,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: which makes me think

he can't just go to Doc Cottle

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and say, "Hey, it still hurts."

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Xhafer: I think that maybe

the prescription is up

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: getting refilled due to rationing

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Laura: I was like, "This could, this

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Xhafer: like an addiction

though, doesn't it?

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Laura: seems like it could be a problem

that might persist into the next episode."

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Xhafer: So,

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Laura: but they have a, a

cute little kiss goodbye.

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and we go down to the shuttle bay where

two Sharons are also going to the Zephyr

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Xhafer: So, fucking the wiki

had names for these Sharons

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Laura: Oh

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Xhafer: those names, so

I'm not going to use them

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Laura: They did not give the

names at all in the episode

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Xhafer: They did not.

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we have we have relatively normal

Sharon and then we have shoulder pad

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Sharon, what I call them in my notes.

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but they are known as Sweet

Sharon and Pilot Sharon the wiki.

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Laura: Yeah, 'cause one is

wearing a pilot's uniform and

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one is overly saccharine perhaps.

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Xhafer: Well, the pilot uni-- Well,

I mean, the, the one in the pilot's

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thing is like the Cylon pilot thing.

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It's got the shoulder pads

that'd make Madonna jealous.

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They're massive.

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Yeah, but I wouldn't call

saccharine Sharon relatively normal.

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Like, she appears relatively

normal, but this girl, not normal.

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Xhafer: Not normal.

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We'll find out some stuff.

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On the way there some aggressive

Cylons make their way on Draedus,

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they think, and the fleet jumps away

very quickly before they can dock.

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And in this, they are separated from

the fleet, because they jump and the

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fleet's not there waiting for them.

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Laura: Yeah, we've had

one of them jump problems.

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Xhafer: So, we, we move to the next

webisode, which I probably will not

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call out when it happens because

some of these are very, very short.

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Laura: Yes

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Xhafer: and they open with a few

explanations as to what happened.

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They're not really 100% on any of them.

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They're like, "This could be human error.

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I put in the wrong coordinates.

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This could be a calc error."

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Gaeta's all like, "It's possible

just, like, a bit of radiation

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hit a qubit in the computer to

make it do the thing and flip."

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: that's how sensitive

these calculations are.

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Like, sometimes you just get fucked

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: and don't know where you are

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Laura: Do we think…

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Hmm.

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It's hard to say after all of this

that, yes, it was definitely an accident

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Xhafer: Oh, this, I think this

is definitely an accident.

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Laura: You think this part

is definitely an accident?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: 'Cause I don't know, this

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Xhafer: that follows but this

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Laura: This particular

Sharon, I don't know.

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She seems weird enough that I'm

like, was she trying to get to Gaeta

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and couldn't reach Gaeta, and this

is how she's, like, doing it now?

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Or is it just a moment of opportunity?

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Xhafer: Well,

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Laura: I don't know

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Xhafer: it's a moment of opportunity.

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Like, you would have to have

force the issue with, like,

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the lack of sleep and the leave

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Laura: no, you, but you could

have like a mole who's like, "Oh

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yes, Gaeta's going on leave."

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And she's like, "Ah, finally.

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Now is the time I get on the shuttle."

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Xhafer: to fake the like aggressive

base star jumping in and like

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Laura: Yeah.

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Okay

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Xhafer: layers of shit for GitGata

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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I don't know which Sharon is saying

this, but one of the Sharons is very

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concerned about Capall spaceships

and worried that they're out there.

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But we find out that, you know, our

mechanic who's happens to be also headed

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to the Zephyr is, is praying, and the

pilot Sharon, shoulder pad Sharon, is

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kind of mocking about that, I think.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: but they've jumped over the red

line, so the calculation is no longer…

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The jump calculation back is not linear

anymore, so therefore harder to make.

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And the, very sweet Sharon keeps being

like, "Hey, Gaeta, you remember me?

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm

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Laura: And so I was confused,

and I was like, "Is this Boomer?"

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'Cause, like, why would

Gaeta remember a Sharon?

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So I called her not Boomer the whole time

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: 'cause it did become clear

at one point that this is not

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actually Boomer, but I was like,

"Why would any Sharon know Gaeta?"

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until it starts becoming explained.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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On Galactica, Hoshi asks Ty for a Raptor

to go find them, Ty is all like, "This

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romance hasn't been in the main series.

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It's not strong enough for you to

just be able to feel him in space.

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But I guess I'll ask the old man."

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Laura: Yeah.

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And they do say in this that it's already

been two days Like, we, we jumped.

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It was a mistake.

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We jumped back, and we've

been waiting here for two days

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for everybody to come back.

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But this one shuttle is

still out there somewhere.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: but yeah, good, good for Adama

to, like Eventually approve this.

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But here's where we get the timer.

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Now the shuttle has 20 hours of air.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: we just like…

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Did we just like-

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Xhafer: days and before they

noticed they were running out of air

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Their timeline on this isn't very good.

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Xhafer: missed the…

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Yeah.

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Laura: So were we just, like, playing

cards and all getting along for two days,

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and then all of a sudden it goes bad?

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Xhafer: Yeah But so they're

cutting the air supply so that

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they're gonna get oxygen sick.

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They no- they notice that this

could cause memory loss, irrational

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behavior, dizziness, or depression,

just like some commercial drug

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side effects on an Italian villa.

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Laura: Yeah, the, but the mechanic's

like, "Oh, hey, well, maybe I

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can work on these scrubbers.

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You know, that's my job.

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I do the thing."

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And the pilot, Sharon, goes to help him

and almost immediately gets electrocuted.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: the insulation on the pair

of pliers has been stripped away

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Did you rewind to see if

they were stripped a-- when

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he grabbed them out of the

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Laura: No, I didn't.

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Xhafer: Me either

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Laura: You would think that that would…

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I don't know.

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I guess you're under, in

a high-stress situation.

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Maybe as a mechanic you wouldn't notice

that like, "Oh, hey, maybe I shouldn't

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use this pair," or, "Maybe I should,

like, wrap something around them."

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: But yeah.

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She, she be dead

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, Shoulder Pad Sharon

dies, and they're like, "But

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the insulation was removed.

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It's a murder mystery."

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah

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Xhafer: if that's how the rest

of this just played out in

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Xhafer: it.

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It's not where the show goes.

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They held onto this for about

30 seconds before Gaeta's just

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like, "It was an accident.

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We can't fight like this uh,

and we have to handle the body."

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So they all put on their uh, their flight

suits that they can, open up the door.

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They can suck all the air into

the tanks, open up the door, push

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her off into space, close the

door, and let the oxygen back out

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Laura: Okay.

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I, I, I understand that these

are webisodes and you are very

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constrained on what you can do and

the time and, and all that stuff.

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But not Boomer immediately accuses the

mechanic of murder and then also says,

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"We've gotta get rid of this body now."

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Somebody should clock this.

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Xhafer: Right

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Laura: why GaTa can't clock this

because we start finding out that

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GaTa's got, like, all kinds of walls

up in his brain because he's got too

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much, like, conflicting problems in

there that he can't, can't deal with.

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But somebody else should've been

like, "That's really suspicious."

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What are we doing?

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Xhafer: What are we doing?

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Yeah.

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Uh,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Although it, it is really sad

when they, like, are pushing her

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out into space to save their air.

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But we also get a Gaeta flashback where

he's making a list of names and numbers,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: and not Boomer is promising that

she can help him get these people out.

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He tells her something like, "I

haven't seen these people in a

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while, and I'm worried about them."

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And she's like, "Well, if they're locked

up, I can get them out, I promise."

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: It's framed in this part, and

we can talk about it later if you

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want, but it's framed in this part

as like Gaeta's just making a list of

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people he knows that he's worried about

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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These people, so he's giving these

over to Sharon thinking that she's

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getting these people out of prison

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Laura: Yeah.

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But she's clearly not doing that.

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Xhafer: Yes

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Laura: are these all resistance

people or are these just people

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that, that Gaeta's worried about?

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Like, i- is it, is it what it, it says

on the tin and he's just worried about

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these people or is he accidentally

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Xhafer: a ton of resistance members

'cause he's separated from all that

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Laura: Uh-huh

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Xhafer: 'Cause if he knew a bunch

of people in the resistance, there

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would've been a ton of people to vouch

for him, and he wouldn't have had the

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thing that happens to him at the start

of-- when they get out of New Caprica

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initially, where they're all like, "Well,

Gaeta's the traitor, so fuck Gaeta."

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It's like there would've been

enough people to vouch for him

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if he knew who the resistance was

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Laura: Yeah.

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I'm just confused as to

why, like, this is…

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maybe you can explain it to me after we…

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Yeah.

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Y- yeah

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Xhafer: no, no, no, no, no.

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This doesn't make sense.

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You're, y- this is just,

we had time, we did a plot.

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Like, that's what this is.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: we needed something for

Baltar to be upset at Gaeta about,

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Laura: I just don't understand

why this is important.

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Like, I, I, I j- okay

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Xhafer: It's, it's something

for him to feel guilty about.

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It's, it's another way to

hurt Gaeta as a character

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah, so also at the, during all

this, Hoshi and is it Racetrack?

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Xhafer: Yes, it is racetrack

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Laura: I, I recognized one.

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Yay.

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They're off on their search.

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And it sounds like they're just

gonna randomly jump to different

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places and scan around a bit.

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Xhafer: Yep

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Laura: so after we've pushed the

other Sharon into space, it's 16

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hours, and Gaeta's, um, leg is

hurting and itching, and he takes some

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Morpha as the other Sharon watches

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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She's got this plan, but it'll only

work when everyone else is unconscious,

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and it's getting to that point.

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Caprica, Sharon updates Gaeta on the

status of some of his list of prisoners.

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Most are dead, but she saved a few

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Laura: Yeah, she got two of them out, but

nobody knows what happened to the kid.

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I guess it's the two of them's kid or

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Xhafer: Presumably

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Laura: kid on the list.

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I don't know.

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I, I wrote down, "I think

she's killing them."

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Xhafer: Nailed it

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Laura: Yeah.

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And she gives him a kiss for some reason

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Xhafer: Yeah, Gaeta and

this Sharon are fucking

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Laura: Yeah.

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Uh, Back in the Raptor, she wakes

him up and says, "Hey I can interface

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with the computer and find the

corrupted thing, but you gotta watch

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'cause they're not gonna trust me.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: by the way, one of these guys

has OD'd on Morpha, so whoopsie doodle."

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Xhafer: doodle.

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Laura: the mechanic at

this point, or m- Okay.

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I wasn't sure if it was the mechanic or

one of the pilots, but doesn't matter.

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These people are not important.

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Xhafer: Yep.

486

and rescue operation

continues without any luck.

487

As the oxygen counter hits nine

hours and 30 minutes, wakes up

488

to see Sharon has gotten out of

her bonds that she was in before.

489

Laura: Yeah, they had tied

her up 'cause of the OD.

490

Xhafer: Yeah

491

Laura: and she's, she just got out of him

492

Xhafer: that was in his coat pocket

493

Laura: Why is he carrying a

scalpel in his coat pocket?

494

Xhafer: He got it from

the toolkit or something.

495

Laura: Okay.

496

Xhafer: Yeah, there

497

Laura: Okay.

498

Sure

499

Xhafer: she warns Gated to not wake the

pilots, and then they insert the cable.

500

The low oxygen makes it tough

for her to focus though.

501

We see some flashbacks

to more of their intimacy

502

Laura: Yeah, she's projecting that

moment 'cause that's a good moment

503

that will distract me from this pain.

504

Xhafer: Yeah.

505

he's like, "Hey, I'm seeing

somebody," and then kisses anyways

506

Laura: This is, this is a thing you

should not say in this moment, right?

507

Right?

508

I, I know that Gaeta is…

509

A- a- and then they're making

this whole point through the web

510

series that he's, like, explicitly

trusting when he should not.

511

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

512

Laura: you should not tell this woman who

seems to clearly still be super into you

513

at this moment while you all are trapped

with li- with oxygen, like, depleting

514

that "Actually, I'm not into you."

515

Don't do that.

516

Xhafer: By the

517

Laura: do that.

518

Especially when just in general, it's

been said that, you know, oh, this low

519

oxygen can cause, like, depression,

paranoia, dizz- like, bad feelings.

520

Like, even if this is a person

you explicitly trust, and they are

521

super, super reasonable and kind

all of the other time, their brain

522

is now not functioning correctly

523

Xhafer: You cannot consent

in a low oxygen environment.

524

Laura: Just like, just like keep,

keep that on the DL and when you're

525

both better and rescued, that's when

you can gently let this person down.

526

But you cannot gently let this

person down in this circumstance.

527

Xhafer: Yeah The stranded rapper jumps to

the rally point, but the fleet isn't here.

528

So, she uses the line to be

like, "Oh, this was the thing

529

that we got wrong in the math.

530

We jumped to where they're supposed to be.

531

They're out of fuel, and

the fleet isn't here."

532

Gana goes and checks the cockpit to wake

up the pilots, but they're both dead.

533

Sharon killed them with the scalpel

534

Laura: They are so super murdered.

535

Xhafer: So murdered

536

Laura: Yeah, they're so bloody, and,

537

Xhafer: Yeah

538

Laura: uh, we get a little, like, um,

Racetrack and Hoshi talking about the

539

relationship with Gaeta, and she's like,

"Hey, I'm so glad you guys are together.

540

Like, we all saw this coming.

541

You're so cute together."

542

But boy, boy, Gaeta's just

a Boy Scout, isn't he?

543

He's just got this moral thing that's

really hard, and that sometimes gets

544

people killed, and then Racetrack

feels bad about saying that.

545

Xhafer: Yeah

546

Laura: But also as they're jumping

around racetracks being very like,

547

"Okay, I'll jump to the next place.

548

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

549

Laura: And then Hoshi's like, "Oh,

wait, this is getting nuts, isn't it?"

550

Xhafer: Yeah.

551

Laura: and she's like, "Well, yeah."

552

and Hoshi had said, "Well, he

wouldn't stop looking for me."

553

And she's like, "Yeah, actually he would.

554

Like, when it got too crazy, he

would give up and do what's best for

555

everybody and not just one person."

556

And Hoshi's like, "Oh, yeah.

557

Okay.

558

Let's go home

559

Xhafer: Let's go home

560

Laura: Uh, We go back to the Raptor

though, where Sharon murdered everybody.

561

Xhafer: Yep

562

Laura: And she's like, "Hey,

you should feel glad that I

563

picked you over my own model

564

Xhafer: what a special

boy you are, Felix Gaeta.

565

By the way, I was killing all

of your friends on New Caprica.

566

Seems like a good time to tell you

567

Laura: And so I'm confused again

because he does seem shocked about

568

this and she, but she's like, "On some

level you knew that I was doing that."

569

But did he?

570

I'm confused

571

Xhafer: so she says a line in here

that I wanna call out: "I didn't

572

seduce you, Hope seduced you."

573

Laura: Mm-hmm

574

Xhafer: he clearly…

575

Like, Baltar.

576

Like, we cut back to the scene with

577

Laura: Yes, we get the

Baltar scenes too, yes

578

Xhafer: Where Baltar tells Gaeta he

knew that he was playing both sides.

579

did not know that he was

playing both sides actively,

580

but he very much was passively

581

Laura: Yeah.

582

So I guess did Gaeta think he was seducing

her and then getting help for his friends?

583

But

584

Xhafer: Maybe.

585

Or at the very least getting help

for his friends, whether or not

586

the seducing her was part of it.

587

but he was just getting them killed

588

Laura: Mm-hmm.

589

Xhafer: Which is like, He wouldn't

know resistance people, so they're

590

just like killing his friends just to

591

Laura: Mm-hmm.

592

Xhafer: with him and be evil.

593

Laura: Yeah, I'm, hmm

594

Xhafer: yeah.

595

Yeah, this Sharon might

be the worst Sharon

596

Laura: She pretty bad

597

Xhafer: We don't get a lot

of time with this Sharon, but

598

pretty, pretty fucking diabolical

599

Laura: Mm-hmm.

600

Yeah, I mean, Boomer's done

some shit, but, like, whoa.

601

'Cause I, it's just not clear what,

what gain they were getting out of it

602

except that one day they were gonna

hold it against Felix or something.

603

I don't know.

604

Xhafer: maybe

605

Laura: Maybe there was a long

game that got interrupted that

606

I don't totally understand.

607

Xhafer: Maybe she's just bored

608

Laura: Yeah.

609

But she's, she was killing

them all and she lied about it.

610

Um, she said she'd save a few

sometimes so that he wouldn't

611

notice that people were dying.

612

and the more he had hope,

the less he saw, Yeah.

613

And it sounds like maybe she was

even doing some mind games, 'cause

614

she talks about once she was like

615

'Cause he's, he's going through,

"I saw so-and-so, I saw so-and-so."

616

And she was like, "Yeah, I told you

that they were in the, that they

617

were in the mess tent," or whatever.

618

Xhafer: Yeah.

619

Oh, you didn't see

620

Laura: But they were dead.

621

Yeah.

622

" Oh, you'll see them tomorrow.

623

I'm sure you will."

624

Xhafer: Nah

625

Laura: But she tells him too that, you

know, she, she's comfortable with killing.

626

She, but she, she waited until the

probability dictated it was necessary.

627

Like 'cause there's just not

enough oxygen to breathe.

628

And yeah.

629

But he's like, "Oh my God, I can't

believe I trusted you, and that I

630

should've known what was happening."

631

And she s- she tells him that Baltar did.

632

Baltar knew

633

Xhafer: Yeah, Palter knew what was up.

634

He's a smart dude.

635

He saw through the shit that

you couldn't see through

636

Laura: And then that's when we find out

that in the, the scene, you know, the

637

scene when Baltar and Gaeta were talking,

trying to get information out of Baltar

638

there was something that was whispered

to Gaeta that we were not privy to in

639

that original conversation, and now we

know that Baltar says he knows Gaeta's

640

secret and he knows what his Eight did.

641

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

642

Laura: But, but Gaeta doesn't,

but Gaeta doesn't know that.

643

But

644

Xhafer: Yeah

645

Laura: so, but I guess Gaeta's a f-

646

Xhafer: told you we'd

find out what this was.

647

I didn't say it'd be fulfilling.

648

Laura: It's not super satisfying.

649

Um, i- is Gaeta just so afraid of like,

650

Xhafer: used to that.

651

Laura: oh no.

652

Oh no.

653

Xhafer: Oh, no

654

Laura: Oh no.

655

It's just, is Gaeta just so terrified

of like being outed as having had an

656

affair with a Cylon that he thinks…

657

'Cause Baltar's been

doing that like a lot.

658

Like clearly, clearly nobody cares

659

Xhafer: I mean, you were fucking

one of the Cylons is a good way

660

to get murdered when they're

going through and killing people.

661

So

662

Laura: but they've already

done that at this point, right?

663

Like, I don't know.

664

But I guess people could

still be murdery about it.

665

So I don't know.

666

But we cut to Sharon and Gaeta also

struggling after the, the Baltar struggle.

667

and Gaeta gets it this time.

668

Xhafer: Yep

669

Laura: but Sharon does not make it

670

Xhafer: Yep.

671

Gaeta kills Sharon with, like,

20 minutes of oxygen left.

672

There, he is just covered in blood.

673

reaches for Morpha, he takes a dose.

674

He thinks about a second,

which would be OD'ing himself.

675

He hesitates on the second, takes a

moment to sing, and as he's singing his

676

song, the search and rescue finds him.

677

Back on the Basestar,

Gaeta is in the infirmary.

678

Hoshi's holding his hand.

679

And then we cut to a little bit

later, where we're back in the same

680

room where Gaeta was sent on leave

on the first place, and Ty is like,

681

"Look, weird shit happens in space.

682

Your oxygen was low.

683

Your own memory here is unreliable."

684

Everyone has kind of agreed

that this didn't happen.

685

The Cylons aren't pressing

it, we aren't pressing it, and

686

this isn't gonna air on Syfy.

687

So it's not gonna be part of

the main canon of the show

688

Laura: Mm-hmm.

689

Mm-hmm

690

Xhafer: So just forget about it.

691

And Gaeta's like, "I wanna talk to the

admiral because you're a fucking Cylon."

692

Yeah

693

Laura: Um

694

Uh, to me, it, the Cylons

dropping it means they know

695

exactly who that Sharon was

696

Xhafer: Yeah.

697

Laura: and what happened.

698

Xhafer: Sharon?"

699

Laura: Oh, yeah, we're kinda relieved

to be out of that business, so

700

Xhafer: Sharon did all that shit.

701

What?

702

Oh, that's, … You know what?

703

At least it only killed a couple people

704

Laura: Yeah.

705

Because we like, we do see at one

point in one of the flashbacks,

706

Sharon hands a list to another Sharon

and says, "Go kill these people."

707

So what, what I like to believe happened

is that they, they find out about all

708

this, and that other Sharon is, like,

in the room and she's like, "Oh, guys.

709

Oh, guys I think this could be why."

710

And then they're like, "Mm,

we'll just let this one go."

711

Let's just, let's just move on from that

712

Xhafer: What if that other Sharon on

New Caprico was shoulder pad Sharon?

713

Laura: Oh, well then, yeah.

714

But

715

Xhafer: up.

716

Laura: yeah.

717

Xhafer: It's

718

uh,

719

Laura: Yeah.

720

Xhafer: ugh.

721

Work that out.

722

Laura: More of them knew about this.

723

More of them had to have known about the

plot against Felix Gaeta or whatever.

724

Xhafer: Yeah.

725

Um,

726

Laura: yeah

727

Xhafer: this, Hoshi catches up with

Felix, who thanks him, and he offers

728

to protect him if this doesn't work.

729

then he tells Hoshi to keep

his head down to credits

730

Laura: Don't like it.

731

Yeah, one of the things Gaeta

said when talking to Ty is that

732

there shouldn't be an alliance.

733

'Cause Ty says, like, "This isn't

gonna jeopardize the alliance for

734

the old man, so we're all good."

735

And he's like, "No, no.

736

There should not be an alliance."

737

Xhafer: Yeah

738

Laura: uh-oh.

739

I don't like this.

740

Xhafer: You shouldn't

741

Laura: I don't like this at all

742

Kira, nooo.

743

No

744

Xhafer: Well, that's the episode.

745

Do we rate webisodes normally?

746

Laura: I don't think we've rated

webisodes, but I mean, this was very good.

747

Like

748

Xhafer: was better than…

749

This is the best of the webisodes.

750

I

751

Laura: Yeah

752

Xhafer: three out of three different

sets of webisodes we've watched.

753

Laura: Yes.

754

Yes.

755

Actually, I feel like, I feel like

they progressively got better,

756

'cause I don't, I didn't hate

the last ones, I don't think.

757

Xhafer: Yeah

758

Laura: but the first ones were pretty bad.

759

Xhafer: It was rough.

760

Well, I mean, that was just like

two minutes of the last episode,

761

30 seconds of new content, two

minutes of the next episode

762

Laura: Mm-hmm.

763

And just an all canvas set, just, and

I'm supposed to care about these people

764

I've never seen before, and just like, at

least this is Gaeta and Sharon basically,

765

and I don't know, it was compelling.

766

And I, I wondered if this is

absolutely necessary for the main plot.

767

I guess it's probably not, 'cause we've

been setting up some weird looks from

768

Gaeta for a few episode episodes now.

769

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

770

Laura: so, hmm.

771

Hmm.

772

Xhafer: we got season

four, episode 12 next.

773

Disquiet Follows My Soul."

774

Laura: Yeah, I think a disquiet

has happened and followed within my

775

soul after watching this business.

776

Xhafer: Yep.

777

Uh, Ty and Six take their first

glimpse, of their unborn child.

778

Laura: Okay, so we're still doing this.

779

Okay

780

Xhafer: Tiro offers Adama Cylon

technology in exchange for proper

781

integration of the Cylons into the fleet.

782

And a third thing happens that I'm

not gonna talk about right now because

783

we'll get to it in the fucking episode.

784

Laura: Okay.

785

Xhafer: This

786

Laura: hmm

787

Xhafer: goes too far here

788

Laura: Also, I know this was

the last episode and I should've

789

talked about it there, but you

just reminding me about Six and Ty,

790

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

791

Laura: and thinking about the

Ellen vision that he has at

792

the end of the last episode.

793

Xhafer: Yeah

794

Laura: He also superimposed Ellen's

face onto Six quite a bit there.

795

Xhafer: did.

796

Laura: Like, like,

797

Xhafer: salt eye

798

Laura: yeah.

799

Well, almost like maybe

that's not super trustworthy.

800

And so maybe,

801

Xhafer: they're putting down

802

Laura: maybe his prediction that

Ellen was a Cylon is not accurate.

803

Maybe our fifth Cylon is still unknown

804

Xhafer: Yeah.

805

I mean, find out more next episode.

806

Laura: Okay

807

Xhafer: But before we get there, we

gotta say thank you to Jeremy Siegel.

808

Laura: Always

809

Xhafer: Jeremy, thanks so much

for doing our theme music.

810

JeremySiegel482.bandcamp.com.

811

Aaron put in some actual air horns there.

812

Laura: And another thanks to

Angry Duck Time Machine on

813

Instagram for the podcast artwork

814

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks

for editing our podcast.

815

Brr, brr, brr, brr, brr.

816

Added some actual air horns

in there for yourself.

817

Laura: Ooh.

818

Xhafer: probably feels normal.

819

I don't know.

820

Laura: Yeah.

821

Thanks so much for taking care of

that, and also thank you, listener,

822

Xhafer: Hey,

823

Laura: for being here.

824

Xhafer: Yeah.

825

Laura: This is an exciting time for

me, and I'm so glad that you all are

826

coming along every step of the way.

827

If you want to be even

closer, get in the Discord

828

Xhafer: Get in that Discord.

829

Leave a review if you

830

Laura: Oh, hell, hell yeah

831

Xhafer: We haven't asked

about that in a while.

832

That

833

Laura: Yeah

834

Xhafer: people and the

algorithms or something.

835

Laura: Yeah, and I haven't

looked at those in, like, ever.

836

Xhafer: I, I, I know how

all this stuff works.

837

I'm just lazy and bad at asking.

838

Laura: If you're an email person and you

just, you really just don't wanna figure

839

out another thing because, like, Discord

feels just like another thing sometimes,

840

Xhafer: Yeah,

841

Laura: just send us an email.

842

We do those too sometimes

843

Xhafer: get emails sometimes.

844

I've used the email box

twice in the last two weeks.

845

That's more than

846

Laura: much.

847

Xhafer: [email protected]

848

because we've had the email

address a long time now.

849

Laura: We could have made a

second one, who are you BSG?

850

Xhafer: It's a

851

Laura: It's fine.

852

It's fine.

853

Xhafer: Eh.

854

And then

855

Laura: Yep

856

Xhafer: like, we've got a store on Etsy.

857

Laura: No, yeah, if you want a merch

858

Xhafer: merch.

859

We got shirts and stickers

and stuff, if that's your jam.

860

Laura: Uh-huh.

861

Xhafer: the hoodies are comfy.

862

Laura: Mm-hmm.

863

Xhafer: Get you a thing

864

Laura: I'm realizing we didn't make any

merch with the old Babylon 5 logo, which

865

Xhafer: We

866

Laura: is fine, but

867

Xhafer: up

868

Laura: I, I loved our little

Wando Jakar outfit thing.

869

That was super fun.

870

Xhafer: Yeah.

871

That's, that's fun.

872

Laura: We should do that.

873

Okay, ideas.

874

We'll see you next week, internet.

875

Bye.