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Episode 1715th March 2021 • Looking Forward Our Way • Carol Ventresca and Brett Johnson
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Many of us see government offices as problem solvers – transportation clears and builds roads, human resources employs workers, the courts take care of law-breakers. When you begin to examine the county Auditor’s Office you have a whole new perspective on the issues to be addressed to make our community stable and secure.  

The Auditor’s Office has such varied areas of responsibility that we are guessing many citizens do not understand their scope of work. If a citizen were to review the Auditor’s website, they may have the impression that every task not wanted by another agency was pushed into the Auditor’s lap! However, when you filter through the details, the Auditor is here to help each county resident in several areas, such as: 

  • maintaining the fiscal integrity of the county itself, its funds and required reporting
  • maintaining the property value and necessary information on homes and businesses 
  • maintaining a safe environment for a resident’s dog, while also ensuring items can be measured – whether it is gas in our cars, or cigarettes purchased
  • and most importantly, maintaining vast quantities of information databases needed to safely, securely and easily complete their work

We welcome, Michael Stinziano, Auditor of Franklin County to our podcast.

We begin by reviewing this very interesting creation we call the Auditor’s Office, and your responsibilities as the “chief fiscal and measurement” guy in the county!

A major responsibility of the Auditor is the 3-year re-evaluations of property values, which likely causes confusion and concern. However, the Franklin County Auditor's office has created services for property owners to better understand the process, and how to appeal the results of the re-evaluation.

Franklin County’s housing markets is one of the “hottest” in the country. The Auditor cannot make/break the real estate market, but Auditor Stinziano talks about the office's contributions to strengthen the County’s housing market and value level.

Our community is reeling from inequities and division throughout all of our sectors. Over many years, one very important issue that created incredible discrimination in many communities was “redlining”. Auditor Stinziano gives us some of the history on this practice and how his office supports communities and ensures it does not continue to occur.

We get an overview of the Auditor's Office released a list of Policy Priorities for 2021. For example: property tax relief for seniors, veterans and the disabled; more accurate property value analysis; local control on approval of large tax incentive programs; and the Tax Incentive Review Council.

There are responsibilities the Auditor's Office carries out that many of us just take for granted each day. We never think about whether a “gallon” is really a “gallon” when we are filling our gas tank. Or if we are getting our money’s worth when the grocery deli is weighing out meats and cheeses. The Auditor’s office enforces so many of these responsibilities.

The Auditor’s Office plays a huge role in the financial picture of the county. The County Auditor is the Chief financial officer: processing revenue, maintaining budgets, accounting transactions including invoices, payables, payroll, and ensuring the county has sufficient cash to meet expenditures.

Why does the Auditor deal with licenses for dogs, kennels, breeders, vendors, cigarettes, and junk yards? And why just dogs, not cats and exotic animals?

A question that is asked frequently revolves around tax abatements for new businesses coming into the region. The County Auditor has no control over who gets an abatement and how much, but the office maintains the records. Abatements are targeted to economic growth, but not everyone agrees. Auditor Stinziano provides us with more information and his vision for future abatement strategies.

The Community Outreach program provides residents with great information on issues of the day, or items to beware such as fraudulent check scams. We talk about the office returning funds to local cities and school districts in Franklin County to the tune of $3.5 million!

Every year we receive an “Unclaimed Funds” notice from your office Who doesn’t want to find a hidden stash of cash!

AuditorStinziano@franklincountyohio.gov

You also can call 614-525-4663

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Recorded in Studio C at 511 Studios. A production of Circle270Media Podcast Consultants.

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We are looking forward our way from Studio C.

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and the five one one studios.

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This is Brett and with me, as always, is Carol.

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How are you this morning? I'm good, Brad.

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How's it going? Good.

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All right.

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So we're pretty excited with today's guest.

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You all know

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many of us see government offices as a one dimensional place to solve a problem.

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So transportation clears and builds roads.

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And needless to say, they've been busy

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here in Columbus for the last couple of months.

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But human resources employees, workers, courts take care of law breakers.

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Well, then I got to the auditors website and I have a whole new perspective on

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issues that have to be addressed to make our community stable and secure.

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Yeah, we found that the auditors office has such varied areas of responsibility

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that I'm guessing many citizens we figured as well.

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They just don't understand the scope of work.

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If a citizen were to review the auditors

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website, if you get some time, you're going to have the impression that every

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task not wanted by another agency was published in the auditors lab.

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However, when you filter through the details, the auditor is here to help each

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county resident in numerous ways, including maintaining the fiscal integrity

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of the county, its funds and reports, which is really important for maintaining

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property value, information on homes and businesses which every one of us gets

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every year to take a look at what our homes are supposedly valued at

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maintaining a safe environment for our residents dog, while also insurance items

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can be measured, whether it's gas in our cars or cigarets purchased and most

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importantly, maintaining vast quantities of information databases needed for safety

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securely and easily meeting the needs of the county.

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Yes. And it is it's

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I have a whole new perspective and respect

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for our Franklin County auditor, Michael N.S.A., who's joining us today.

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Thank you so much for coming. Thank you.

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I'm glad to be here. So understand Siano.

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It's a nice long I'm used to calling him Mike.

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So Jeff East.

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This is tough.

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So let's first hear your background.

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Tell us a little bit about what you've

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done, your path to the auditors office, and then can you kind of like

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let us figure out how this organization works and your responsibilities.

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You're the chief fiscal and measurement guy for the county.

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I am happy to talk about all functions. County Auditor.

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I would agree.

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It did appear that when they were passing out duties and responsibilities, the

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auditors weren't in the room at all for this meeting.

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Yes, yeah. Yeah.

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Tag, you're it. Yeah.

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So born in Columbus, Mount Carmel, we take a lot of pride.

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And having been born in Franklinton, mom and dad had a place up in the hilltop,

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boldly moved to the short north in the early 80s, which was unheard of for

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families to do and just really had a great childhood.

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With Ohio State being my background

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or backyard and seeing our community continue to grow.

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I did grow up in a political household.

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Dad was an elected official on day one when I was born.

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I had already served in the General Assembly about six years.

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Mom worked for a state agency.

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And what I really share with folks that left the impression before Facebook,

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before Twitter, before podcast's, dad gave out our home phone number.

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And so at a very early age, I would be the front line constituent

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intake person if I was the first one to answer the phone.

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I don't title title. I always say so.

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You are the one I called. Is that it?

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Occasionally.

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And so having been a household and seen

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the impact an elected official can have, it was really wonderful.

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And so that led, as I kind of thought, through what I wanted to do in my future.

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My first goal at eighteen was to leave Ohio, never come back.

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So I went south to University Richmond go spiders.

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But knowing the ability to buy a home, the opportunities that central Ohio had as a

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growing community, I really drew me back and then starting a family and so came

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back for law school at Ohio State, started working.

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And then Secretary of State Jennifer Bruner's office during election law led to

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the opportunity to become director of the French County Board of Elections.

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I got to tackle the 08 presidential election, which sounds

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much different than what we experience now.

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And it was but that was when the Board of

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Elections was still held, quartered at the old Karsai.

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We used Vets' Memoria, the Old Vets Memorial as the early vote center.

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And we had a record breaking early votes and lines and lines and lines.

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But it was the first election in Ohio since 2000, 2004 that people

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really were looking for accountability, improving the experiences that voters had.

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And so the General Assembly had opened up

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a lot of laws and really started down that path of what access could mean.

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What could voting mean? Good.

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Talk to a.

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Although you can't both run elections and run for office, so February 18, 2010,

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resigned from the Board of Elections, turned around, came back in and filed

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paperwork to run for the then 25th House District.

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It was central west. Southern Franklin County

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was successful, one with one percent of the vote because my opponent withdrew

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either run scared or run unopposed.

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Moment, take the win.

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It's a W.

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They got to represent that district.

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For two years, I found myself in a hyper, hyper gerrymandered situation.

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So they combined six other districts to

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form the newly created 18th House District.

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Put it in context.

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That 25th House District was about 120 square miles.

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The House District was 22.

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They packed, packed and packed voters.

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But it was still the area that I had the

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largest portion so well other and I lived in.

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And so it was able to run for the 18th House District, ran two more times,

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but had the opportunity again and again there, decided to leave Oklahoma City

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Council and run for mayor to move to the local level.

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A lot of people wonder, why would you go from the state to the local

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at the state representative, about 120000 people in the city of Columbus writ large.

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So it's represent 850000.

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And I got to go back to that hilltop west

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side area that just because of a stroke of a pen I no longer was representing.

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Right. And so that was really appealing and

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enjoyed the opportunity to be in a majority tackle some of the city

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challenges, bring kind of some of the things that I value in public service.

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So accessibility, giving people my cell phone number, putting my email out there

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and working at the local level in that regard.

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But I was approached about what? About the county.

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You can now represent one point four million people and that was appealing.

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And having been in the legislative branch of both the state House and council for

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eight years, opportunity to be a county executive position was appealing my own

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team, not having to kind of horse trade on votes, follow my vision and agenda.

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And so I've been very fortunate.

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We're almost coming to our two year

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anniversary on March 11th of serving as the county auditor.

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You know, Mike, we have so many different

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ways that we've like passed either passed in the night, ships

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passing in the night or or hit on on topics.

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And whenever anybody talks to me about networking, it's real easy to network in

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Columbus because we all have surrounded each other.

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So you had the advantage of having a wonderful mentor in your dad

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who I placed interns with and one of my previous lifetimes.

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You worked with Judge Bruner?

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I worked with Judge Bruner and placing

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interns with her now when she was in Franklin County Court doing the the

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special docket program and then City Council, our age friendly Columbus project

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that you spearheaded for us on city council, which was phenomenal.

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So and now I have a whole new respect for

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your abilities with all of this stuff that you're doing.

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I mean, for being the 15th, hopefully eventually the 14th largest city.

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You're absolutely right.

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In terms of the networking, my chief of staff and the other office, I

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actually interned for her when I was in law school.

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Wow. At the Ohio Supreme Court.

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And so those networks, that connection and

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the accessibility, I mean, that's what I really challenge when I'm talking to young

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people is if you have an idea of what you want to do or meet someone, just reach out

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to him and both our city's values, our communities, values and all likelihood

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they're going to be accessible because they had someone do that for them.

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Exactly. Yeah, we're really good.

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And it's it's not one side of the aisle or the other.

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We're all really good about helping each other in Columbus.

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And so that's great. So wonderful.

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You know, looking at the auditors website

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for real estate information, let's just get back to your job.

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We all want to know what our neighbors paid for their homes.

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So funny because I saw a listing of a neighbor just down the street.

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Their home sold, you know, in the dispatch list, the pricing.

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And I look at that number going, wow, OK.

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Yeah, it has nothing to do with what

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you're paying, but the sale prices, you know, it's like, wow, OK.

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But, you know, your office provides information on the value of the home and

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the tax level we pay, including a three year reevaluation of property values.

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The reevaluations likely caused confusion.

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I know they do for me and concern my homeowners.

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However, your office has created services

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for property owners to better understand the process and how to appeal the results.

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Let's talk about that and mean can you

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provide some information on property revaluations,

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how you're making this complicated process a bit more transparent and equitable?

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Absolutely. So the property assessment function of the

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Otter's office is the one that's most well known.

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We have a statutory obligation under Ohio law every six years to do a mass

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reappraisal where we go out and view each parcel in a three year increment.

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Of those six year cycles, we do a

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triennial update and it's not the physical review.

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It's looking at real estate trends and values in those communities.

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And so in 2020, that's what the.

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Franklin County office conducted, we had requested a one year delay because

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we weren't sure the impact of the pandemic.

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That request was denied,

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didn't exist in the statute as well as if

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you were looking at the sales, they continue to be very active.

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And so we performed our function.

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But the data and the try or just generally

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presented on the website has an immense impact.

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It impacts people's pocketbooks.

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It impacts their communities

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the way Ohio structures our school, funding those property taxes that are

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built off the values, plus your taxing district all trickle down.

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And so it's an important role, but it's

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one the property owner has a seat at the table and should be

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participating as actively as they want or not.

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And when I say as active as they want or not, when we did the training process,

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there is an opportunity for an informal review.

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So if you felt the value was too high or

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too low to come in and educate our appraisers, and then we would take the

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information that was given and we don't go inside any homes.

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So if ceilings are dipping or kitchen hasn't been updated since the 50s,

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we won't know that unless the property owner shares it.

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And so the website doesn't always reflect

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that information unless it's been provided after the outcry.

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If people still aren't satisfied or didn't

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think it was time to participate and then they go through the border revision and

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the border revisions is a statutory entity made up of an auditor, treasurer in the

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board of county, commissioner, representative.

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And again, it's a forum with a little more

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wiggle room to present why you feel the value is incorrect.

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By the time people are at the boards, it's

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typically they want their value to go down.

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I would just say you have the reverse. That's interesting.

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But I could see a scenario likely going to be selling in the next year.

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You want the highest value listed on the website.

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For whatever reason, the realtors are still going to come tell you this is what

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should be exact at this time, but kind of fooling yourself.

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Absolutely. People.

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Oh, we're going to be selling.

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Can we get it higher? Tell us why.

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Yeah, and we'll conduct that.

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But with through the buyer again, it's that opportunity for that property owner

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to provide any information they feel is important.

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And it, again, is a little more broader than the informal tri review where it is

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looking really at sales and so encourage as much participation

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as a property owner wants. But the challenges, how many people know about it?

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Are they intimidated by it? And because of the pandemic, what changes have we made?

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And so we have moved it all virtual.

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We've added a e-filing for the first time

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so you can complete the entire process just through your computer.

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It'll make sure all the documents are filled out correctly.

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And if there is anything incorrect, you'll

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hear from the office so we can make sure we're capturing it and at the same time

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wanting to make sure our entire community is participating.

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What was a nuance thing that was counterintuitive for me was

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some of our opportunity neighborhoods see some of the larger value increases because

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it's a lot easier to flip a home that was 80000 to get it to 160000 than it is to

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flip a one point three million dollar home.

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You're not flipping a one point three and you're not going to see that.

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That return on investment at that percentage, right?

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And so we really want to encourage

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homeowners that are in those situations to participate.

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So we've created a homebuyer assistance program, a free

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opportunity for low to moderate income property owners in Franklin County

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to work with Legal Aid Society representative, both on their filing.

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So what will make a strong filing and then if they continue to qualify, having

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representation at the different board of revision programs.

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So trying to make it as accessible and not both explaining the process, but also

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people going and taking advantage of the process, you know.

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Right.

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You know, I had an ulterior motive to have him here today because I don't live in

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Franklin County and I'm currently battling with my county auditor

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who managed over a six year period of time to only increase the value of my house,

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1000 dollars and the next year increased it by 30000.

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So I'm like, this makes no sense to me.

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Let's be transparent.

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And oh, my gosh, did I get a reaction?

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So appraisal, as I've seen, is a little bit of art and a little bit of science.

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Yes. And then what also was very Eye-Opening

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was the role that the Department of Taxation at the state level plays so well.

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We go through our entire training process.

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It ultimately gets approved at the state, really.

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So every county except Franklin, we were asked to make changes to some of

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their evaluations in the last cycle that participated.

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And in some cases, one county is suing and saying we don't agree.

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Now, the hammer for the state is they can

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withhold about 50 percent of the local government funding.

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So that would be devastating in those communities if it doesn't come through.

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But I mean, a lot of back and forth.

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We understood we were hot real estate market, we understood we were leading not

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only the state of Ohio, but in some portions of the country.

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And so we knew it was

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a little sticker shock, but understood where it was coming from.

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And we continue to

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work and improve both the data we're collecting and the explanation.

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Right. But really trying to get those appraisers

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to explain why did we make that determination?

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And before it was, well, it's a hot real

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estate market is like we got to do better than that.

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Yeah, yeah. Zack really got to dig into it.

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And so the documentation was something that our third party

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appraiser wasn't quite used to, but we got there.

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Yes.

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Well, yes, because we've been a hot market for a long time.

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So that was my you know, I'm like, well, we were hot market five years ago.

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Why is it now?

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You know, so it's it's been an interesting process.

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But so this kind of gets to my next question, too, is you can't control the

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market, but you can help stabilize it helps strengthen it.

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Absolutely.

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In terms of representing what the sales are and what the right balance is.

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So the appraised value, again, is one piece of then the taxing district, which

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gets us to the property taxes, which people are really concerned about.

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And so we are looking at the trends.

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If things need to be held flat or if there aren't the investments that are reflected

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in other areas, the office can have a say and in a.

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Put their thumb a little bit in that

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direction, we really broke down to make sure we were doing a better job of

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creating what we refer to as training or neighborhoods.

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So appraising the right sections, a lot of

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the feedback we heard coming into the new administration where I was being compared

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to properties that were out of bounds and that's where I was seeing value increases.

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And so we added about 200 new appraised neighborhoods.

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So really focused on a micro level to

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capture the right features, land grade school district.

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And there's a whole science behind that of the appraisal.

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Sure.

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OK, so how many can I ask how many are you now up to in terms of this? About 425.

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So you almost doubled it? We did.

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Well, that's phenomenal because that's

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exactly what I'm seeing in my in my area, you know, to to to take a condominium

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association and compare it to the McMansion down the road.

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Make no sense. Right.

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And that's what we were experiencing.

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Ali's up Arlington as the example.

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We got a lot of feedback from our Burlington folks that depending on what

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street you're on, there is a big difference in the real estate value.

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And so they were all being lumped together.

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We really took pen to paper and we're able

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to use investments in technology to create better boundaries and reflect.

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And part of that justification, when people say, well, why did my value go up?

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We said this is the train, the whole neighborhood in the sales we looked at

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encourage them if there's other sales or if they think there's other properties

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that are better to submit that to us as well.

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Right, great.

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Well, our community is reeling from

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inequities and division throughout all the sectors.

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One very important issue that created

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incredible discrimination in many communities.

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What was that? Historic redlining?

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Can you give us some of the history on this practice and how your office can

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support communities and ensure it does not continue to occur?

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So one of the things when we came into the

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office, we were committed to doing a performance audit at the mass appraisal

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and whether or not some of the systematic redlining or changes of our community have

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impacted values, we can see based on zip code pretty clearly that

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wealth within those communities aren't being gained at the same rate.

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At the same time,

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some properties are the exact same

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buildings are being valued drastically different.

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And the explanation?

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Well, it's just real estate.

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It's location, location, location.

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Well, is it?

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And so we've partner with the Kirwan

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Institute at Ohio State to really dove into the role redlining in our community

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has played in setting valuations and then how it's kind of built off of that.

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So a lot of other colleagues have challenged, well, you know, the numbers of

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the numbers and that's all we're looking at, that redlining doesn't play a role.

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But when you kind of see where it was implemented, it absolutely has.

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And so we continue to work with that lens and mind as we do our evaluations, trying

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to make it equal the catch and what we don't want to see in some communities.

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Detroit, for example, when they got caught up, it shot up.

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And some of those opportunity

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neighborhoods, the values and we don't want to then all of a sudden be creating a

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weird dichotomy of, you know, you were wronged.

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We're trying to right it.

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But now you're being asked to pay property taxes.

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That is so attaway way. Right.

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And so trying to balance those interests out.

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In Michigan, though, there's a cap on how much your property taxes can go up.

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We don't have that in Ohio. Yes.

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So something like that would be helpful. Right.

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But we are working very hard to make sure it's equitable and a fair process,

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recognizing and being really to tell that redlining story.

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Kerwin has done a fantastic job.

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We've got a couple of YouTube videos on

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the auditors website that walks through very

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systematically of kind of how this has occurred over time and

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where that impact is played and and Preysing property values.

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Well, I grew up in London.

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My parents grew up in Miloje.

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I mean, you want to talk about redlining.

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Those neighborhoods were just decimated.

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I remember Seventy-one being built right next to my aunt's house.

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You want to talk about loss of value of a

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house with a with freeway going in next door?

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Yeah.

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Just look at the difference between Clintonville and Linden.

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Exactly.

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The highway went through the middle of it and that just drastically impacted.

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Absolutely. The values.

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Yes.

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Location, location, location is a great real estate term.

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But for our community and again, the role that housing can play in helping build

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family wealth and personal wealth is something

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personally think should continue to be shared.

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It's a good, equitable way and we want to see those investments

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continue to grow and not be because of the stroke.

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PAPEN or systematic racism role, and some of what had occurred in the past

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continuing well, and it's and it's not just the value of a property per say, but

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it's a person's ability to get a loan to buy that that I mean, as a single female,

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I literally had to threaten the guy to, like, approve my loan.

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There is no reason in the world that I can't be approved for a loan.

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But as a single female, I was being discriminated against.

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Yeah.

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And we are looking at other ways in which we can improve within our community.

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The challenge of someone that wants to maybe buy a parcel that's 120000 dollars.

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We want to get more homeowners than renters in our community.

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Right. And so how we can do that?

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And it's getting that bank loan.

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That's one of the biggest

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challenges just to get in that first wave

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of either starter home or the stable place within a school district or looking for.

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Right. Right.

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So you had mentioned just a bit ago about state policies.

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Yes. We would love to have in case any of those

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legislators are listening, we'd like to have a cap.

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Your office released policy priorities for 2020, but I was fascinated.

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Had that been something that the auditors

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office had done in the past or is this something that you brought in?

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I don't think they've been as blatant.

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I know previous administrations have worked either through the association or

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through their own personal policy preferences.

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But some of the staff we brought in my legislative background knowing these are

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areas that need to be improved and trying to be ahead of it and help lead

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to get not only the county delegation, but ultimately good laws passed was a go.

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Right. And it's not just a limit on for taxes for

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seniors, but you're looking at the veterans of the disabled who could

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as you said, they can't suddenly take this huge leap on on taxes.

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Some of the other things were, you know, local control on

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approval of large tax incentives, the Tax Incentive Review Council.

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Can you give us a little bit of an overview of where you're trying to go?

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Yeah, so now we're really into that, the

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Web site and all the many, many things that we do.

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So I'll start with the TURC, the county auditor serve as the statutory

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chair of the Tax Incentive Review Commission.

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So every jurisdiction in our community

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that gives out a tax abatement or a tiff, so.

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We then review it, but all we do is look

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at it and say, OK, it's meeting the rules or not and then make a recommendation to

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their local body, we would like to evolve that to a Turk

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with teeth so we are better able to a capture equal information.

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Last year we had 21 different Turk

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meetings, 17 were pretty consistent in the information,

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and then five, they just said, well, we're meeting the statutory

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standard, but we're not going to really help with additional information.

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And in some cases, the information isn't good.

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We as a Turk would probably suggest

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drastic changes to those economic incentives because those are deferring

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taxes that other property owners then have to help make up the difference.

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And so a Turk with teeth is a good goal

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on the property piece, along with property

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values or role with helping set the tax rate.

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The state does have a homestead exemption,

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a disability exemption that has not been, I think, as realized as

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was originally intended when the governor made some changes.

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And this was Governor Kasich adding a economic component along with an age

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component to qualify for the homestead exemption.

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It wasn't tied to inflation.

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So the vast majority of applicants that

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qualify are ones that were grandfathered in before that changed.

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The program is not growing now.

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The state backfills that money.

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And so I think it was a budget decision

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when we were down to a rainy day budget of 70 cents.

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But we're we're much better fiscal position now.

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And as a Otar growing population of

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Ohioans, Homestead needs to be improved and be a little more of an access, because

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particularly in Franklin County, we are very generous community when

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entities go to the ballot.

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And we just approved a bond issue for Columbus State, that is an additional

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property tax component or a piece of your property tax.

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And so that is going to impact

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particularly older residents ability to continue to stay in their home.

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And the worst thing we hear people feeling or being property tax out of the place

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that they have put so much into the overtime decades and generations.

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Right. And a lot of times folks who are voting

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don't remember that they're voting for a tax that they don't have to pay,

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that it's property owners paying and they may not be a property owner.

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So it's. Yeah, I mean, so with covid in particular,

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I don't think a lot of people thought about the Oklahoma State bond issue

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with the primary got played, gets passed, but now it's showing up on people's

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property tax bill and it's not always substantial.

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But if you're on a fixed income, any dollar has an impact.

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Right? At the same time, we're in a lot of

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questions of, you know, the majority of my property taxes go to paying for schools.

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Schools aren't meeting in person.

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What am I paying for?

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And so that continue

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consideration of what we're willing to support and then how it plays itself out,

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then tied to the value all comes to a head every day.

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And the auditor saw that. Yes.

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OK, now your office probably has the

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biggest exposure point of anybody, the county, because you're on

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every gas pump, you're on every deli weighing machine.

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Do you go to each one of those gas pumps and put that little sticker on there? I do

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not go personally, but the staff in the office do so.

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Yeah, the weights and measures function. Right.

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But talk a little bit about that in regards to how to

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define a gallon as a gallon and what goes through that process.

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Our pound is a pound. One of the things we think a lot of pride

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in is our consumer protection division and weights and measures is a key

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component of that has been fascinating to watch the team in action.

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When they do a gallon a gallon, they pump.

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They've got a drug that's been calibrated to the state standards.

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There's a ceiling process to even our drug.

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But the team does a great job.

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They joke I can't get it to stop at the right point.

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So they've got to do the job all over again.

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But then on the scale, it's just cost us

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one hundred dollars, guys, to get the gallon right on the scales.

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It is truly putting in a ten pound weight

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and making sure the skill says ten pounds, but it's shocking.

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Over time they wear down, they need to be recalibrated.

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But it's been a great opportunity to work with local businesses.

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Mom and pop shops are very welcoming and then giving that assurance to

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people that purchase or engage that, yes,

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this is meeting the standards and you don't have the heavy thumb.

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But you're right.

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But yes, the stickers show up a lot. Yeah.

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What is unique, though, you'll be able to

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tell if you're in Franklin County or the city of Columbus City.

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Columbus has its own weights and measures team.

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And so occasionally you will find city Columbus stickers.

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Christine, I would never have.

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So the history of that.

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The city charges to do their inspections, of course, and so

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it was meant to be a revenue generator at

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some level, it hasn't quite equated to that.

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But over time, they've really been proud of their division as well.

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But that's how you know where you are,

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particularly around the Grandview Heights, fifth by northwest.

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Right. Right.

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A City of Columbus sticker. You're actually in the city of Columbus.

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Not not in Grandview, right?

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Oh, my gosh.

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Goodness gracious.

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So but in terms of all that work that

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you've done, it's been very, very successful.

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You've had almost no complaints.

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We have a great team.

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Complaints do come up and they respond quickly.

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And so appreciate both their

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commitment to that consumer protection, but they have a lot of fun with it.

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I mean,

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a great story.

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So we are monthly highlighting local business and we call that our true

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transaction, a word we found ourselves last week in Urban

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Crest at the Tropical Knutsen Candy Factory.

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It was amazing and I never knew it was down.

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There is a very cool place.

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It is and they are.

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And I want to say Walgreens

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across the country, 150 employees running three shifts, six days a week.

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Do they have like a gift shop they do next Christmas? They do.

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Yes. I remember them being in it.

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I think a different location of one time when I found them.

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They think they've moved so, so cool.

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I think when it started, she the president mentioned they were in Grandview at one

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Worthington event where they went around Bush, Bullmann area, that sort of thing.

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You know, this giant factory.

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But you don't you wouldn't know.

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And I've been to Urban Crest a lot of times down and Grove City.

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Who knew?

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But the weights and measures team helps us identify those good partners at school.

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And so got to leave with a lot of chocolate pretzels.

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No, no, no downfall of that.

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A lot of people in the office, one of

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those interns every day, that that's that's a job to have.

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Goodness. Yeah.

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Well, so when I was doing this deep dove

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into your website and continually surprised at everything that

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was involved, I don't know why I was surprised.

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You're the auditor.

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Why was I surprised that you have to look over the money for Franklin County?

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I don't know. But that, you know, do the commissioners call you

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and say, Mike, is there any money, yes or no?

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So I'm very popular in that my name is on all the paychecks.

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Oh, and so at that fiscal officer

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responsibility, that was one of the two things.

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When I came into office, another auditor said, you can't screw up.

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Payroll always has to get out and get out on time.

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Oh, yeah.

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And not that we've had close calls, but occasionally technological systems

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malfunction and then we are making sure we meet the standard.

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Oh yes.

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But work well with the commissioners.

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They also have their own Department of office and management.

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And so we work closely with them.

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We produce

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the statutory requirement documents.

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So the CAFO and PAFA

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and they play a role in making sure that we have sound fiscal standing,

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particularly when than the county or the treasurer go out for some bonding issues.

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So it's an interesting system between the Treasurer Office Management Budget and the

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Audit Office, but we all work really well together to the credit of the team on the

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fiscal side, they continue to receive recognition from the state auditor and

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really do a wonderful job with their diligence and standards of not only the

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auditors office, but working with other county agencies as well.

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Great. OK, well, another piece is the catch all

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bucket is that the dogs and you know, our home is a dog haven.

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I mean, I'm at your doorstep every year with the dog license for our dog, Miles.

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So why does the auditor deal with licenses

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for dogs, kennels, breeders, vendors, cigarets, how that got jumped in their

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junkyards? And also why just dogs and not cats and exotic animals?

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Again, I am convinced the auditors weren't in the room.

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I thinkso.

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It's a statutory requirement.

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If the General Assembly came and said, we

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need a license, cats or gerbils, we would do it.

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You would.

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No one has ever really explained the history.

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There is a public health component of why they wanted dogs licensed.

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Why didn't fall through public health at the time.

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Unclear. But was that a rabies issue?

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It used to be huge.

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So in Franklin County, we require a rabies tag.

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We're the only county that also requires that.

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But just generally why they went through

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and design licensing was, I think, the rabies.

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But some it was up to the discretion of each county if

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they wanted to add that additional rabies requirement.

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But it is a very important role, one that's very popular.

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The funding of the dog license goes to the animal shelter.

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And so they're great partners as well.

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But it's a quirk in that department, as

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you also mentioned, a cigaret licenses and business licenses when they arise as well.

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And.

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So it's just kind of the licensing function that I inherited, I assume it

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started with more of the business licensing.

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And they said, well, they're already licensing one thing and the dogs have the

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processes that you already were kind of taking care of.

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They understand that process. Give it to them.

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Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

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Well, and it was done it pre technology, needless to say.

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So yeah. It if you if you've got the name of every

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person in the county to start with, that's a place to start.

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Yeah.

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And they to your point on the technology, they just got rid of the Stamper so they

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would take each dog tag, roll a number and pound it out.

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We don't have to do that anymore.

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But that is something that changed in the last three years.

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And other counties, they're still doing it that way as well.

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And so that's what's fun about the job, is just the depth and breadth.

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We absolutely touch everyone's lives in

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some shape or form every day across the county.

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And so take a lot of pride with the dog licenses were not at the numbers we want.

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We're only about 30 percent of dog owners are getting licensed.

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And Franklin County really. Oh, my.

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Yeah, lack of awareness.

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People don't realize they need to do it until the dog's missing.

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And then the first question is, what was your dog's license?

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And then you find out pretty fast.

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The cost is prohibitive for some folks.

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And the way the statute is written, it's

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one of our priorities this year of trying to get a little more flexibility.

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We've got situations where people want to donate additional fees to help buy other

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low income licenses, and it's not clear how we can do that.

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I've also had very frustrating situations where someone took the time, got license.

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Unfortunately, the dog passed away two weeks later.

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So now we just have a license that's not being maximized.

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So could we allow them to wait till they get another

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dog and carry it forward or could they give that license over?

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Just

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the shelter has been very open to ideas

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and now it's got to get the General Assembly on board.

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Right?

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I mean, that's kind of stopped me from doing the multiple year thinking, OK, you

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never know when your dog's going to pass away insights onto a year to year.

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But I hadn't thought about that. You know, maybe

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I guess it said that for us at that price point that it's like, OK, if he were to

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pass away a couple of months within the license, it's not a big deal.

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But I understand the multiple dogs.

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It can be costly if they're not neutered or spayed.

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That's an increase in price of that of the

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tag as well as, you know, that, you know, gifting it.

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That's a really good idea. I like that, essentially.

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Am I on the wrong track here? Did I see

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something where you could buy a license for the life of the dog?

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So about five years ago, the General

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Assembly, in their infinite wisdom, created a annual.

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So one year, a three year or a lifetime license.

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Okay. All right.

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The price points the same other than the lifetimes, a twelve year range.

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So annual is the same price as twelve.

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If you have the the canine for twelve years, the only difference is if you get a

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three or a lifetime, you won't get as much mail for me because we won't send the

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annual reminders over and over again to get it there.

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There's a reason to it's kind of like voting.

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The earlier you vote, the less campaign

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stuff you're going to get closer to Election Day.

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Harry Truman. Harry Truman.

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Okay, so let let's step back a second on taxes again.

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And we sort of touched on this just a little bit.

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But, you know, people get really upset

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when they hear abatements that folks have not half don't have to pay for their

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company to come in and buy a building and hire a bunch of people because they're

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going to bring in other taxes, other income taxes.

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So you don't you really have to react to that.

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Correct.

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Your office has nothing to do with it in terms of the decision making.

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You have to react and watch over it.

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Are there some things that you're thinking about that could strengthen abatements?

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So they're not just they don't aren't seen just as a gift to companies.

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So this goes back to that turc duty and responsibility.

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And you're right, we react.

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So a municipality will say New Albany wants to attract a Facebook data center.

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They decide this is the program, these are the abatements.

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This is what's going to be approved to get them here.

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And they come and then we take the time and review it.

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What we've heard a lot is the need to get more of that information available.

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Previous administrations did do a

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essentially an economic impact of statements.

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The conclusion was it was actually saving at the end of the day, taxpayer dollars.

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But we want to have that review done annually.

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We're also trying to create a

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customer friendly tool so anyone can go in and her

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first learn about it, but then also enter

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the data and make their own conclusions of is this a benefit or not?

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And so we've worked with some regional

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economists on creating that tool, but they're complicated.

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And again, it goes back to making sure we've got the correct information through

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the TURC so that we can present it and make it available.

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So while we will never be the ones driving

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that municipality's decision that is up to their elected office holders,

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because we get so many questions and the desire to have that data in a way that is

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equitable and digestible, that's really what we continue to work on.

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And unfortunately, what you see in the paper is when it falls through, when a

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company gets an abatement and then they close down and they didn't hit or or they

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only hit 100 people and not 150 they promised or whatever.

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You know, and there are lots of reasons

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that could be good reasons that they didn't quite make.

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They're part of the abatement.

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But having more information could

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even if they didn't hit 150, if they hit 100 and it brought in a lot more payroll

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income than property income, then, you know, why not?

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Yeah. And the Turks, the place the kind of have

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those reviews in 21 meetings last year, I think, to members of the public came.

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So there's somewhat of a lack of awareness

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of a Turk and then there's lack of awareness just of these projects and the

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annual review that occurs in all the different jurisdictions.

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And last year, you could have zoomed in to

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all the meetings, couldn't have been any easier.

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And had I, for as much concern and understandably for tax

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abatements across our community, not seeing the public being more engaged in

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those meetings has been a little bit of a surprise.

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But. Well, so let's let's go with that.

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The public involvement.

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How does one prepare to be a party?

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OK, we can zoom in.

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Is is the meeting understandable?

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A, how do you prepare for a meeting to

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know to to get the information you want out of it?

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Right. And that's one of our challenges.

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We need to get that information out there sooner.

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When we inherited was a system of some of

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the jurisdictions were just providing the information the day of the meeting and

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we're asking them to give it to us two weeks ahead.

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We post it as part of the public.

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Notice where we have it still not required.

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We do have a lot of great partners, but some municipalities say it's not required.

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So we're not going to provide it

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until you until you need it or we're going to do it to the to the law.

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But to that point, we're hoping with the website and information we're going to be

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putting out later this year, just that awareness.

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So, OK, that's that project.

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Let's keep track and watch a little bit more.

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I think that will help have people more

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prepared to understand what's going on and see if they're meeting

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what that commitment was when it was originally granted.

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OK, how how do people find out about those the TURC meetings?

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We publicly notice them.

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We don't do it as part of our newsletter,

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although I think people will see this year a greater push of Turks are coming up.

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This is what they are.

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And then we last year, we put out our

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first annual Turk report that will be continued along with the tool.

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So I think part of our commitment and our less than two years that we've been there

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is trying to draw bigger awareness and recognition that these are occurring.

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I guess because I'm if I was sitting in New Albany and they

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they were talking abatement, I would be thinking of how do I find information from

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New Albany? It wouldn't have dawned on me to have gone to your office

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information to find out when it was going to be under discussion.

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So, yeah, absolutely.

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An area where the otter's office can do more and better.

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Well, you know, I don't I'm not saying that.

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I just think I am, you know, but

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I noticed with that. Right?

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Yeah. Really, it's just such a confusing yes.

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And multi-level multi touch point issue that

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Brett and I were talking about this.

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You know, how do you find places to send the podcast information?

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It's just I mean, the Internet makes it crazy.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And see, your point is that someone's on notice.

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We hired a new member for the office focused solely on Turk and tax incentives.

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So Lane is well aware of what the standard

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and duty sorry, Lane, you know, lanes, lanes, a rockstar.

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You think you're very lucky to have them.

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Well, and it's yeah.

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That I mean, that's I have since the last set of elections

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that we've gone through, have said people need to educate themselves.

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We had a great podcast about that.

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If you don't educate yourself on how your

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government works, don't sit there and say it's not working.

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Yeah.

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And one thing the office also does, we put out a tax calculator.

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We send out something that we call the value of your vote and postcard notice.

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So if there's going to be a bond or levy

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issue, that is going to impact your property taxes.

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Right. We proactively send that out.

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We've added more because of my background in elections, notification of when the

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election is, any other information that may be helpful.

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Participation in that continues to be varied as well, though.

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But that's where then.

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Five months later, people are upset about their property tax bill.

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Exactly.

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They had a direct opportunity to participate or

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ask questions then that were going to impact that property tax bill.

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I remember several years ago I contacted somebody at my county's board of

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elections and said, why isn't the date of the election on your website?

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You have to put down the date of the election in an

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application for an absentee ballot.

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But you can't find the date of the election and you're afraid to guess.

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And so it's kind of interesting.

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So now it is up there, thank goodness. Yes.

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Well, this may continue on with what we just talked about.

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You know, we noticed that your community

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outreach program provides residents with some great information on the issues of

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the day or items to be aware of, such as fraudulent check scams.

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Recently, your office reported, was returning funds to local cities and school

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districts here in Franklin County, close to three point five dollars million.

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Was that savings your office created and how?

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What's the story? So in the creation of Ohio law and

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auditor's office, maybe this is why we're willing to take on all these duties.

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A portion of bonds or levies comes directly to our office.

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And so depending on the office's

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philosophy or approach, you can not returned that money or you can.

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I think those are the school districts dollars.

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Those are the library's dollars.

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So while we will perform the functions we

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need to, it's more important for them to get that return.

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And so the commitment is we do it annually.

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The audit previous administrations have

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done it every four years, likely an election year.

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But we are trying to make that commitment.

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And so.

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Yes, we are very sensitive to being good stewards of taxpayer dollars, making sure

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we are creating savings where we can, and we've seen that.

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But it's also just the annual commitment

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to make sure that this money gets returned as quickly as possible.

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So where would it have lived if it didn't go back?

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We we've got a line item and the county

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level and it just kind of accrues, accrues, accrues.

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Wow.

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And so, yeah, it's it's an interesting quirk for auditors offices.

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Not every county is in as good a position as well.

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And so other auditors aren't able to do that.

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It really is a county by county decision and opportunity.

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What's that's one of which kind of brings up another

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piece of the puzzle that may not be in your lap.

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So although you watch over the money from

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the county, you're not investing the money of the county.

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No, that is the county treasurer. Yeah.

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So it didn't that just hit me when you were talking about bonds.

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Well, that's one thing you don't have to do.

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There you go. But we work closely with them.

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That's in their bailiwick, though, right?

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It's a good partnership.

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But we had just talked to a local bank

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yesterday, kind of talking about the quiet period they're in.

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They're looking in the Treasurer's office to maybe reassign the contract.

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And so just trying to learn as much as

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they can of what's going on and what we do in that process.

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So it's it's it's interesting.

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Well, wisdom, yeah, when when the market

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goes up, they probably are, you know, everybody's favorite treasurer, but boy,

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when the market goes down, I want to be in their spot.

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So we talked about tech a little bit.

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Your office has lots of tech going on.

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And again, another surprise.

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You are you you have to deal with a lot of the data and information for the county.

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So another one of those, I'm not sure

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where the auditor was when the General Assembly created it.

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I serve as the statutory chair of the data center.

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So some counties have local data centers is kind of.

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For yester years

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when they were trying to figure out what is this technology and how we're going to

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build it, so it's myself, a representative from the court, the clerk of court, Mary

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Ellen O'Shannassy, the treasurer of the Board of Elections,

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the recorder's office and board of

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commissioners to the board's pretty substantial.

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But the auditor, when things are going

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bad, is the one that takes all the heat for it.

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So I get to be the chair, but it's a great opportunity.

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Aline's really well with my passions of

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trying to make technology improve government services.

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We have a wonderful CFO and he really has done a great job of

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aligning not only our mission to bring Franklin County into the 21st century, but

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working with different agencies and what their needs are

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absolutely doing a lot of cost savings

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because of that approach, but we still have a long way to go.

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Well, given the responsibilities you have on the other kinds of things,

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having the database to your it is probably to your advantage as opposed to being

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dealing with another office, doing that job.

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I hope we I would say we get treated a

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little bit the same as all the other offices.

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And where we do have priorities, depending

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on what the mission of the agency is, we may have to fall back a little bit.

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But yes, I do get to have the CFO cell phone number in case something comes up.

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But we have a great relationship.

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He came in as part of our administration

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and so has brought wonderful stability, has a great team.

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And again, I think really positioning well, the data center, not only for a

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county, but in partnering with the city of Columbus on some initiatives.

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And so it's going to be things like body cameras for the sheriff's office that

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arose this summer that they weren't required.

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County commissioners made that investment now will fall into a data area.

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And so the data board will be part of that discussion.

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And so, yes, auditor functions are important, but so are supporting and

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making sure we're aligning everyone across the county.

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The same on the data center piece.

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Great.

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So unclaimed funds, who doesn't look through that list of names?

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I just if your name might pop on it in such a year.

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So let's talk about that.

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How does that what is this?

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And, you know, there's some really great

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success stories, I guess you could say that they didn't realize that.

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