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The Business Ponzi-Scheme, Duct Tower progress, Our Dream Products, Why Naivety is Secret Sauce, more Dall-E Madness, and OSMO Application.
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- EOFY wrap up
- Getting beyond the Business Ponzi Scheme
- Breakmaster Cylinder
- Test-Fit Guarantee - Dust Boot
- Attraction to Making Tools
- Duct Tower Progress
- 2 days of machining with Josh
- More Dall-E Madness
- What's your dream product?
- How to Justify your 5-axis Purchase
- A Better Nack Desk
- Naïvety ✔︎
- How to Kill your Products Off
- Hobbies?
- Gaming
- Podcasts
- The last Reply All - so many linked memories
- OSMO Application - White Scotchbrite, on orbital to spread it
- White microfiber polish
- Sand with 800 grit
- 2nd Coat - Repeat
- Water-Based Spray Booth
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HOSTS
Jem Freeman
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Justin Brouillette
Portland, Oregon, USA
Transcripts
We're back to normal.
Speaker:Good morning.
Speaker:Hey, when you say that, it it's almost like, like a recording.
Speaker:Like I hear it the same way in my head every time.
Speaker:Good morning.
Speaker:Good morning.
Speaker:Nice to see you back in the shop.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:it feels good.
Speaker:It's been a while.
Speaker:It feels like anyway, I
Speaker:have to remind myself that you weren't sick, that you were just on holiday,
Speaker:just was super sick and flew all the way to Texas and.
Speaker:That's bad.
Speaker:Bad look.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:did I see you or up at like 3:00 AM today?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Whoops.
Speaker:Busted.
Speaker:No, I was just trying to get kiddo back to sleep.
Speaker:Ah, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Foolish foolishly opened Instagram.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:sorry I was there or it popped up and I was like, wait a second.
Speaker:Isn't it really early right now.
Speaker:I'm just used to the radio silence until about noon here.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:How are you?
Speaker:Pretty good.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:How are you?
Speaker:Yeah, good.
Speaker:Really good.
Speaker:What's good.
Speaker:Anything good?
Speaker:What's good.
Speaker:In particular.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Did you ever listen to a reply all?
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:You know, the, Breakmaster cylinder dog space stuff.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I've just been listening to that whole album.
Speaker:I feel like my, my audio soundscape in my head is just like broken
Speaker:up clips of that, that dog robot.
Speaker:If I make some strange noises, that's why you have a room?
Speaker:No, really good here.
Speaker:We have just wrapped up our end of financial year.
Speaker:Last time we chatted was our last day and we were like, push, push,
Speaker:push, trying to get a few last sales across the line to meet our numbers.
Speaker:And we got our made up numbers.
Speaker:Oh, exceeded some of them.
Speaker:So yeah, really good.
Speaker:Biggest year of sales ever.
Speaker:Is
Speaker:that like all sales?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:All sales custom and product.
Speaker:Cool.
Speaker:And made a little bit of profit.
Speaker:That's rather novel.
Speaker:That's good.
Speaker:It's a bit of cash in the bank.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Things are good teams for good team's flowing.
Speaker:Well, yeah, no complaints.
Speaker:Very good.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:That sounds nice.
Speaker:We're making back to our conversation about money last time, but this is like
Speaker:the first time I remember having a product that felt like it was a really big change.
Speaker:I mean, every time I'd sell calendars, actually.
Speaker:back when I started that, like, and I had basically no overhead, it was
Speaker:always like cost from making them.
Speaker:And then it was like, oh, that seems like a lot of money.
Speaker:Cuz I like had no revenue otherwise.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But this selling the dust boot feels like the first time in a long time, that's
Speaker:like it's made an impact rather than just like trickling out a few sales,
Speaker:like, you know, enough people ordered it once that it was like, oh, well we
Speaker:can buy the materials now and pay rent
Speaker:and yep.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's nice to get those little boosts.
Speaker:I find that with product launches as well.
Speaker:Like if we get a good little run on something over a short space
Speaker:at a time and you get that nice injection cash mm-hmm . Yeah.
Speaker:Which yeah, like you say, it's diff feels different to.
Speaker:Job by job trickle.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:You feel like you've already spent everything by the time
Speaker:you're onto the next thing.
Speaker:We always talk about
Speaker:, that.
Speaker:Friends and I that do woodworking here that I always call it.
Speaker:It feels like the business Ponzi scheme where you're like using one job to pay for
Speaker:the next almost is what it feels like.
Speaker:Even though it's never really the truth, it just always
Speaker:feels like, wow, that got slim.
Speaker:I better get another deposit here.
Speaker:You know, feed the beast,
Speaker:the cash flow beast.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So much of it rides on cash flow, I reckon.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Ooh.
Speaker:I've got two microphones on jewel wielding.
Speaker:Well, ill just leave that one on.
Speaker:see if anybody catches it and you've just got both sides of your collar.
Speaker:new headphones, my beard.
Speaker:Yeah, no, I totally recognize that feeling one drop to the next,
Speaker:I mean, that's how we started.
Speaker:Really.
Speaker:It was just.
Speaker:One job to the next mm-hmm crawling.
Speaker:And you got out of it though.
Speaker:Seemingly
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:How, how do you do, how do you tell us all how you did that?
Speaker:How,
Speaker:how good question.
Speaker:Insert, pause.
Speaker:I, I don't, I'm gonna say volume.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:At a certain point.
Speaker:It all just starts to over it's to overlap and I reckon that's probably just for
Speaker:us and how the size business we are.
Speaker:It's a certain number of jobs and it's a certain yeah.
Speaker:Amount of revenue per month.
Speaker:That means that Things just start flowing rather than.
Speaker:Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker:I kind of, we had very connect, very fleeting moments of that when
Speaker:we were in the heat of the most job shop work we ever really did.
Speaker:I mean, I'm a broken record with this, but it always felt so fleeting.
Speaker:that moment would go quickly and with it kind of the comfort and, you know,
Speaker:sometimes we'd have people working more hours and then quite a bit
Speaker:more hours or overtime or something.
Speaker:And then all of a sudden, all of your, your gains from that seem
Speaker:to disappear just as quickly.
Speaker:that's an interesting scenario.
Speaker:You're discussing of like how it turned into something more than that.
Speaker:I guess
Speaker:I think consistency is key really like for a long, a very, very long time.
Speaker:Everything was very up and down and wavy for us.
Speaker:So we'd have a big run of work.
Speaker:I would stop quoting because I was busy trying to get a job out the door.
Speaker:Mm-hmm , we'd get to that end of that job.
Speaker:And then be this kind of quiet lull if I post job reprieve,
Speaker:which was nice in a sense it's quite a natural rhythm in a way.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But at the same time, then your cash flow's drying up and you're still
Speaker:paying people and it's not like there's nothing to do, but there's, it was
Speaker:that sort of that very lumpy structure.
Speaker:Yeah flow.
Speaker:And so I think the biggest change for us over the last, really just
Speaker:in the last year or so is just trying to get out of that cycle.
Speaker:And even when we're busy, still make time, even if it's just
Speaker:an hour a day for quoting.
Speaker:So there's always fresh work coming in, you know, assuming you've got leads
Speaker:yeah, just that, trying to keep everything more consistent.
Speaker:And so the production flow stays more level cash flow, stays more level.
Speaker:And it's still, it's still lumpy for sure.
Speaker:But it means that everything's kind of tracking much more stably.
Speaker:yeah, yeah.
Speaker:For sure that uh, oh, oh, I remember.
Speaker:So you were saying something about the.
Speaker:The ebb and flow of projects.
Speaker:And I totally recognize that it's like the ups and downs of all too much.
Speaker:And then I would be bad at quoting or take too long and people would
Speaker:move on and you know, same thing.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:um, Those poor people, I'm
Speaker:sorry.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I'm sorry if you're listening.
Speaker:Me too probably doing it right now in accident.
Speaker:But what I was thinking about that is laughing to myself was that's basically
Speaker:what my experience of going to school was like, oh, crazy amounts of intense
Speaker:activity, and then like exhausted into a heap and partying for a weekend, you know,
Speaker:partying, relaxing with your friends that you don't get to see ever for me anyway.
Speaker:And then I would go back to like the crazy again, and I, this is seemingly
Speaker:yeah, well element architecture school.
Speaker:and I feel like that's very similar to that same pattern.
Speaker:not that we have a party, every end of project, but the , it's not, it was
Speaker:never that cons I mean, we had moments of consistency, but I always felt like it was
Speaker:maybe, maybe for me anyway, dealing with more than just actually making the things.
Speaker:It's a lot of, a lot of a lot just all the time, I guess, and
Speaker:never felt consistent anyway.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Screw that.
Speaker:No, I dunno.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:It's always strange thing.
Speaker:Mm-hmm um, at the, at the, as positive as the consistency is, I do find
Speaker:myself in a sort of constant state of overwhelm because there's no natural.
Speaker:I think it is quite inorganic to do this.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:It's just like push, push, push, like, like constantly gently pushing mm-hmm
Speaker:to maintain that constant workflow means there's very little downtime.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:I can't stop thinking about that dog.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:We'll have to find that clip
Speaker:All he's got like all 30 albums on band camp.
Speaker:It's amazing.
Speaker:Um, Geez, but there's no, yeah, there's kind of, no, it's not
Speaker:stressful, but there's no reprieve.
Speaker:And so I think what I need to get better at is like scheduling
Speaker:in some reflection time.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Just kind of forced myself to stop and think, cause I'm terrible at stopping and
Speaker:thinking like that's definitely one of my.
Speaker:Wake points.
Speaker:Um, But yeah.
Speaker:if I had to guess from what you've told me, I would guess your two other points
Speaker:of getting over the hump of the, the business Ponzi scheme were probably
Speaker:having a business manager and then capturing data, capturing the data and
Speaker:then having to be able to use it then like going forward and quoting, or like,
Speaker:you know, choosing a little more, I don't know, cautiously your jobs or something.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:Kind of worked for me at
Speaker:times, qualifying how to definitely helped.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:For sure.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Quitting instead of just quitting everything.
Speaker:Yeah, just trying to say no, and mm-hmm, the stuff that's better suited to us.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But I think that just that regular, the regularity and consistency is a big one.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:for sure.
Speaker:finishing my thought about money and new products.
Speaker:Usually I feel like it, yeah, you have the ebb and flow of like paying for the
Speaker:materials and the labor and all those things, so that that'll still come.
Speaker:But what I'm excited and hopeful for is that a lot of people haven't discovered
Speaker:that we have this dust boot yet.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:and that money should continue.
Speaker:The revenue still should continue.
Speaker:Whereas I feel like a lot of the things I've come up with, it's like,
Speaker:there's a burst of interest and then it just disappears and I'm, you
Speaker:know, exploring different ways to.
Speaker:Use advertising and you know, getting in touch with people that potentially could
Speaker:want it, cuz there's a lot of people.
Speaker:And then there's also other machines to go, you know, like yours to hopefully
Speaker:qualify and move in kind of experimenting with I've been calling it the test fit
Speaker:guarantee, but it's like an idea for, especially people maybe in the United
Speaker:States that if they don't, if we don't have a, like a compatible match for their
Speaker:machine yet, but we think it may work.
Speaker:They think it may work that we will give 'em a full refund and like pay for their
Speaker:shipping back if it doesn't work with their machine and they don't use it.
Speaker:So then we can say it works or it doesn't work.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So it's research for you mm-hmm
Speaker:yeah, they don't have any concerns then.
Speaker:Totally.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No, I'm, I'm really looking forward to putting that to the test and
Speaker:promoting it to be honest, cuz I think it's gonna be so much better.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm excited to see, I sent you that video the other day.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Of like how small, our little
Speaker:dust.
Speaker:I went to show, I went to show Ricky it and it was a story and I couldn't find
Speaker:it again, but I was like, oh Ricky, you should have seen how tiny their
Speaker:little duct was two inch, two inch.
Speaker:Now we're now I'm touting size.
Speaker:So here we are.
Speaker:Here we are.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:What's cause you're a shop saber, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:What's shop Saber's market share.
Speaker:Like, do you have any sense of how many machines there are out there?
Speaker:I think I remember seeing at one point there's 5,000 some machines over there.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Span.
Speaker:I don't know how that was probably last year.
Speaker:That's really hard to say.
Speaker:I, I, I haven't tried to do any research, but that's quite a few.
Speaker:It seems that there's enough people that have taken the time to contact
Speaker:us, asking if we will make one for their machine or it'll work
Speaker:for their machine Laguna or yeah.
Speaker:Avid or there's just, you know, there's a bunch of others, multi cam
Speaker:somebody asked that it's a problem that seems like it's not well resolved.
Speaker:And I'm not gonna say that ours is perfect by any means.
Speaker:Think it works pretty well ultimately, but there's always a scenario where it's not
Speaker:gonna work for somebody and oh, for sure.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We'll see how, how many, well, hopefully that it's far more than not yeah,
Speaker:yeah, no, I think could be a lot of potential there.
Speaker:Exciting.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I've always been attracted to the concept of making tools like, oh yeah, I'm
Speaker:calling that tool, but tool related stuff.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:I'm not sure why, but there's something very attractive about
Speaker:making things for making things
Speaker:in a certain sense.
Speaker:I've felt like the bar is low for making, so you make the functional
Speaker:solution, but then the bar is pretty low to make it aesthetic too.
Speaker:you know, as long as it's not like too sharp and too blocky,
Speaker:usually it's like you did.
Speaker:Oh, that looks pretty cool.
Speaker:You know, like that'll do.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:It's a, it's a bonus.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'd also being functional beyond just the bare bones functionality too.
Speaker:Like you've got that nice sort of magnetic.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Stuff going on and just a bit more considered.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Bit more, bit more designed.
Speaker:I suppose.
Speaker:Can't
Speaker:help myself.
Speaker:Honestly.
Speaker:It's nothing, nothing I'm doing.
Speaker:It's just my OCD.
Speaker:yeah,
Speaker:no, I know.
Speaker:I don't, I don't, we're working on a couple other I've just
Speaker:been calling it the duck tower.
Speaker:I think I posted in a couple stories, but we're working on this
Speaker:like thing that holds your duct.
Speaker:what,
Speaker:I just need a duck like quite quack ducks.
Speaker:And then imagine you plug it, plugging that into the, Dolly Dolly,
Speaker:the Dolly.
Speaker:I actually used that so much after I got into it that they limited me.
Speaker:I had, I was banned for a certain amount of hours.
Speaker:They're like, you've done this too much.
Speaker:You need to
Speaker:go home.
Speaker:You've used your server allocation.
Speaker:Basically.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I have a lot.
Speaker:I, I withheld just flooding you with way too many images of, of things,
Speaker:but I have a lot that are honestly, if some are very disturbing, like they're
Speaker:like taking body parts and mashing 'em around and it it's not like gory or
Speaker:anything, but it's just like a little bit of a house of horrors sometimes.
Speaker:The duct tower to finish up.
Speaker:We've done a few kind of mostly prototype, very rough prototypes
Speaker:and it works really well.
Speaker:It like holds the duct, especially with the shop savers.
Speaker:They have this.
Speaker:Air cylinder that makes the Z be able to retract faster.
Speaker:It basically takes the weight off of the, the spindle head so that it
Speaker:doesn't have to use only the motor.
Speaker:And it's a great idea, but it also sticks up like probably almost 20
Speaker:inches over top of everything else.
Speaker:So you've got this big thing that wants to catch the duct all the time.
Speaker:Ah, that's why you've got that huge extension.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I always wondered about that.
Speaker:So that's why we had that stupid.
Speaker:I called it the smoke stack, which was just a giant piece of ducting
Speaker:metal ducting that used to go up.
Speaker:But anyway, we've got this other thing, cause it's definitely a problem with
Speaker:Rob Tabers that other people have, and it doesn't, there's never really been
Speaker:a good resolution, so we we're onto something and we're just kind of evolving
Speaker:it till we can turn it into something a little more polished and hopefully
Speaker:be something we sell to here soon.
Speaker:Cool.
Speaker:Awesome.
Speaker:Yeah, we, we had a really sketchy moment.
Speaker:The other week which would've been wouldn't have happened if we'd had
Speaker:a baby pants so cutting all these Birch panels for a climbing gym.
Speaker:And it was such that the compression cutter was running like right down
Speaker:the edge of the sheet, but leaving just a tiny strip of material.
Speaker:And so getting all that, like stringy strandy Birch nonsense that you get
Speaker:sometimes mm-hmm , which obviously wasn't getting sucked up by our pitiful
Speaker:dust extraction on that, on Trinity mm-hmm . And so some of the stringy
Speaker:stuff got wrapped around the tool.
Speaker:And then the machine went to put the tool back in the tool changer, which
Speaker:is the carousel tool changer and had all this stringing nonsense on it.
Speaker:And the tool changer on Trinity's got this really weird mechanism where
Speaker:there's like a, a turned probably like two and a half inch steel tube.
Speaker:That's like.
Speaker:Almost a foot long that comes up out of the tool changer and the sort of park the
Speaker:tool in and that, and then it retracts.
Speaker:Anyway, these tubes, the tubes are kind of loose and they
Speaker:just sit in the tool changer.
Speaker:Anyway, cuz of, the Birch spaghetti that was attached to the tool, the
Speaker:next tool got like stuck in this tube.
Speaker:Spindle picks it up.
Speaker:There's this bit of steel tube hanging off the bottom of the tool holder.
Speaker:And then it turned the spindle on like 10,000 up PM or something.
Speaker:And John was out there and he just said it made the most horrific noise as it
Speaker:tried to spin up this lump of steel.
Speaker:Um, oh my, anyway, thankfully it didn't go anywhere.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And John managed to get the east up fast enough, but it shook the
Speaker:whole spindle loose off the gantry.
Speaker:Like all the bolts were loose, like there's so much oh my
Speaker:word.
Speaker:But yet didn't is this the one that has the potential bearing problem?
Speaker:nah,
Speaker:that's the other one.
Speaker:a oops.
Speaker:Z.
Speaker:So that's exciting.
Speaker:That little thing that comes up goes straight up and down and Z it
Speaker:doesn't have like a, it's not gonna like, try to run through the side
Speaker:of your potential new baby pants.
Speaker:No, straight up and down.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That makes sense.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Those are the kind of things I think about when people are like, well,
Speaker:this work with my machine, I'm like, I don't know what kind of weird stuff's
Speaker:going on when it tool changes, but if you're just cutting probably yeah.
Speaker:but your tool changes got that weird sort of horizontal load.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's about, so it can, it can take some movement, but you know, if it wanted
Speaker:to just like completely rotate through.
Speaker:It's it's a flat plane.
Speaker:So it would go through the brush ultimately, but like
Speaker:an umbrella tool change, you mean?
Speaker:Ah, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I've never seen outer with anything like that.
Speaker:No, that'd
Speaker:be crazy.
Speaker:So you got, you got a, you robot that comes in and give me that
Speaker:it'd be sweet.
Speaker:Um, I got some time on the machines this week actually, cuz John was out sick.
Speaker:And so Josh and I had two days of play time out on the floor.
Speaker:So Josh is usually stuck in infusion and I'm, I'm usually stuck in quoting
Speaker:land and We had two glorious days of slinging plywood chips, is great.
Speaker:Great timing actually, cuz we're trying to train Josh up as sort
Speaker:of a backup machinist mm-hmm so instead of it always falling to me
Speaker:is being the plan B, get Josh jump up so he can go up smart and cover.
Speaker:On the machine.
Speaker:So it was good.
Speaker:Great fun.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Were you working on the thread board?
Speaker:I have been chipping away at that in my R and D slot.
Speaker:Yeah, just working on little accessories on the pencil shop.
Speaker:Those were cool.
Speaker:The board itself is pretty much resolved in terms of how we make
Speaker:that on the, the other machines.
Speaker:But yeah, the accessories now are what I'm kind of focusing on all
Speaker:the little pegs and bits and bobs.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But it takes quite a long time to program apart.
Speaker:I dunno if you saw that little reduced shank.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Double ended part that I made the other day.
Speaker:So that was, was quite involved kind of, you know, drawing that parts
Speaker:easy, but then like programming at.
Speaker:On the pencil shop, no.
Speaker:To a point that it's safe and reliable takes quite
Speaker:some time.
Speaker:I've never fully understood, I guess said maybe I should know the G code better,
Speaker:but when you tell it, you want to do a thread for a certain amount of length.
Speaker:Are you doing that by hand?
Speaker:Nah, no.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Gonna and a fusion.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I was gonna say it would, you'd have to calculate the points and
Speaker:the, I guess it's probably a, a keyed cycle or something, but
Speaker:no, the threading code all is just straight out of fusion.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's that makes sense.
Speaker:And then you're just appending or inserting wherever you want.
Speaker:Like other movements and stuff.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Tool changes.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:All that spindle changes.
Speaker:Spindle changes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Got, got a quick, quick one here.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Ooh.
Speaker:here's your tower?
Speaker:Red ducks tower of duck.
Speaker:Thanks tower.
Speaker:Thanks.
Speaker:Look at their faces though.
Speaker:God
Speaker:messed up.
Speaker:This one's pretty good.
Speaker:There's like a giant one at the top.
Speaker:That's a goose.
Speaker:Do we know how it works?
Speaker:I think it's gotta be something that like it's eating other
Speaker:images and then mashing them up.
Speaker:But like that there's perspective, like, are they 3d models?
Speaker:Are they
Speaker:collages?
Speaker:What's what's insane.
Speaker:As you can say, like, I want it to be a photo, a cartoon
Speaker:rendering tower made of ducks, 3d
Speaker:rendering.
Speaker:This is great podcast content.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Just
Speaker:wait for us to sit and uh, do this guys.
Speaker:It's real fun.
Speaker:that's kind of crappy.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:disturbing.
Speaker:Like it's got , it's got a 3d model of a dark and it's
Speaker:built a tower of cake out of,
Speaker:It's a pyramid of duck, made of ducks, with a larger duck on top.
Speaker:it looks like a painting.
Speaker:So you can like choose, say, like, I want a painting in the
Speaker:style of this artist, you know?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We'll throw some photos up, but I'll give you the one while we're sitting here.
Speaker:there's so many in here.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:Justin, Justin, what have you done?
Speaker:my God,
Speaker:I didn't ask.
Speaker:This is the bad part about these is I didn't ask for the rest.
Speaker:I only wanted the baby pants by the sawdust
Speaker:You're going to want to see the Youtube episode this week.
Speaker:Yeah, that's incredible.
Speaker:I don't even don't even know, it's very entertaining, but disturbs
Speaker:how disturbing he'll stop there.
Speaker:Amazing.
Speaker:Well, if I had your cell number in my phone, I would save some of
Speaker:those down as your contact picture.
Speaker:I think we can do
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Just cut out all of that.
Speaker:Cut.
Speaker:Do you want nerdy things about Shopify and checkout an air table
Speaker:or, oh, always the lofty question of what's your dream product.
Speaker:Woo.
Speaker:Dream product.
Speaker:Geez.
Speaker:That I want that
Speaker:I was thinking like, what you wanna make.
Speaker:Like what's the thing you've always wanted to make, but you haven't
Speaker:been able to either figure it out or it's just too crazy to make
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I've got something that kind of fits that category.
Speaker:It's, it's a part that I think I was just trying to justify getting a five access
Speaker:mail to be honest I was trying to think of a, a part that I'd make on it.
Speaker:So it's like a little, it's a table leg system, basically.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So one of our key clients that I work with a lot works in the commercial
Speaker:sort of office fit out space.
Speaker:Mm mm-hmm and there's a lot of demand there for a, a leg system
Speaker:that can be adapted to sort of any table top or any oh yeah.
Speaker:Any size table, any size, you know, any material.
Speaker:So we've bounced around a few ideas for a leg system and I've got this
Speaker:sort of five axis Salinium part in my head that would probably have then
Speaker:a threaded timber Dow or some other timber element that engage with it.
Speaker:But it's just like a lumpy bit of machine machined into a sort of a
Speaker:multi-axis part mm-hmm . Leg system.
Speaker:That's my answer leg system.
Speaker:What about you?
Speaker:And now all I can think is I wanna make the image of the leg system in Delhi.
Speaker:he's hooked.
Speaker:You know, what's funny is I didn't think, as I asked you this, I
Speaker:was like, what would mind be?
Speaker:And I I don't know if I know what that was.
Speaker:I tried, I spent a lot of time early on when I first quit my
Speaker:architecture job, trying to make and sell this desk that I'm using.
Speaker:There's some images on our website.
Speaker:We just call it the NA desk.
Speaker:I've seen it on your website.
Speaker:Never really it.
Speaker:I mean, I learned a lot about what to do and not do in products because of that.
Speaker:And it's kind of an interesting, I like, I'll never really regret
Speaker:it because I, I bought the C and T router for it basically.
Speaker:But I also didn't understand enough about, I don't know, selling furniture
Speaker:on the internet or how to make a profitable product, that it just,
Speaker:it was always a labor of love.
Speaker:Like it never made, I think we've probably made a dozen of 'em or something
Speaker:and it just kind of, haven't totally killed it off, but I, it's kind of there
Speaker:for reference, I guess now, that was kind of my dream product for a while.
Speaker:I've always wanted to come back and make another version of a desk that is
Speaker:more profitable that kind of embodies some of its characteristics, but that
Speaker:isn't impossible to make and yeah.
Speaker:Is affordable for people it's
Speaker:quite complex.
Speaker:It's respectfully it's very design school.
Speaker:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker:It, I designed it in school and I was like, oh, I should make these someday.
Speaker:And Had a lot of people tell me they couldn't make it or it evolved from
Speaker:the time I started that process.
Speaker:But yeah, it's not a good product.
Speaker:I don't think it never really was.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:How do you feel about
Speaker:culling products?
Speaker:Have you CU anything
Speaker:a little bit?
Speaker:The iMac bases we've we still have a few actually it's like this.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:But that's you turning those off?
Speaker:Are you, yeah, they've discontinued that whole product line.
Speaker:So instead of making a new batch and having 'em sit potentially, I was like,
Speaker:well, maybe we'll make the new version.
Speaker:And we just never, I don't honestly like the way that I've tried
Speaker:different versions of that I've had requests for 'em, but, they did.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:But we kind of jumped into that at the end of the iMac line that
Speaker:it had the kind of wedge foot, but yeah, I'm honestly pretty bad at it.
Speaker:Other than that, I mean, I've kind of noted that those are
Speaker:discontinued the desk, as you can see is just up there still.
Speaker:And I guess I can't quite kill it off cuz it's like a, a memory place
Speaker:for me or something I don't know.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I know that feeling I've had products that I've hung on to probably too long because
Speaker:of some association I had with them.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Like there was one sort of a range of stuff that we used to make that was
Speaker:kind of our first foray into plywood.
Speaker:It's how we.
Speaker:Mm, ended up getting into ply as a material.
Speaker:And it was very simple and very lightweight and it kind of, it
Speaker:summed up a lot of my feelings about how I like to design things
Speaker:in terms of honest to materials.
Speaker:And it was completely unfinished for a long time and yeah.
Speaker:Trying to make strong things from thin material.
Speaker:And I think, yeah, we, we probably hung onto that far too
Speaker:long till to the point where.
Speaker:Through the way our processes had had evolved.
Speaker:It became either completely unprofitable to make, or we'd kind of our quality
Speaker:control standard had crept up and up and up over the years to the point where
Speaker:this product that was supposed to be very simple and bare bones had become
Speaker:kind of, it was trying to be something that it should never have been, was
Speaker:trying to be sort of finished furniture.
Speaker:And it became sort of got to a price point where it just didn't make sense anymore.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But yeah, I still hung onto it cuz I was sort of attached to some of the ideals
Speaker:around it in terms of where it had
Speaker:come from.
Speaker:Did people tell you directly like, Hey Jim, we gotta kill this or
Speaker:do you think they're hesitant to?
Speaker:Uh, I think
Speaker:they're probably typically pretty hesitant too.
Speaker:Mm-hmm That's pretty common where we're getting better at that.
Speaker:Like, we are getting much more trigger happy in terms of just killing
Speaker:off things that don't feel right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:or at least pulling them offline.
Speaker:I'd say that on that note.
Speaker:I think I have the same people.
Speaker:We talked about this a little bit before, but most everybody that's worked here.
Speaker:Doesn't have a design background, so they'll always kindly default to me
Speaker:on any design questions, which is both good, but I think I've also tried to
Speaker:foster, like, no, you need to have your own design, feelings because I
Speaker:can't just have all the feelings or it'll a, nothing will ever get done.
Speaker:Cause I'll just sit there and stew on it too long.
Speaker:And cuz nobody's arguing with me about it, but what was the other side of that?
Speaker:Apparently I'm Spacey today.
Speaker:Um, So
Speaker:insert space sample.
Speaker:Oh the other side of that kind of unrelated, but related is the whole
Speaker:idea that like, I feel like it's very calm and the older you get and anything
Speaker:life, you start to get more and more close minded about your potential things
Speaker:you design, because I'll immediately start to cancel out all the, well that's
Speaker:gonna cost too much or the, you know, that would take us forever to finish or
Speaker:you kind of start killing those things.
Speaker:Whereas in contrast, I would've probably never made this desk, right.
Speaker:Like that led to so much else.
Speaker:That was good.
Speaker:Even if it in itself was a problem.
Speaker:Um, Totally.
Speaker:And that naive, like we said before, the naive is so valuable.
Speaker:And I actually like really enjoy that when I start working with somebody and
Speaker:they don't have all the like, they ask the questions that maybe some people
Speaker:go, well, why are you that's stupid?
Speaker:Why would you say that or something?
Speaker:And I'm like, these are the kind of naive questions we need.
Speaker:you know, like , I always feel like they get to a good place with they
Speaker:ask questions, you know, any, any type of naivety, usually isn't hindered
Speaker:then by experience that could hinder a potential good solution in any way.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's a great point.
Speaker:I've been a bit of a tangent, but I've been aware of that in the last
Speaker:few weeks with, as I've handed off production management and I'm no longer
Speaker:the person, the sort of the key person to come and ask about how to do that
Speaker:or what to do next or blah, blah, blah.
Speaker:I'm jealous.
Speaker:And , I.
Speaker:I've had this, a few moments of kind of being aware of like, I've got an answer
Speaker:for almost everything in the shop and that's not necessarily a good thing.
Speaker:I need to get that outta my head.
Speaker:But I was asking myself, like, why do I have an answer for all these things?
Speaker:And it's like, in terms of naive it's because I have
Speaker:naively tried to do everything.
Speaker:Mm-hmm, , mm-hmm, related to this business and I've failed and I've
Speaker:made mistakes and I've, you know, I've pulled everything apart and I've broken
Speaker:everything and I've failed at everything.
Speaker:And so in doing so I now have a lot of sort of built up answers
Speaker:and knowledge around mm-hmm
Speaker:broken things.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's the good side of it for sure is.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:When you have the experienced person that says, you're gonna cut your finger
Speaker:off, don't put your hand in front of that spinning thing, you know, like.
Speaker:Or, you know, this takes longer, whatever it is.
Speaker:I mean, there's the kind of logistical side to it, but for sure.
Speaker:That's gotta be a weird experience though.
Speaker:I'm sure they're still coming to you for some stuff.
Speaker:It's just not the majority.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Just not being the default negotiator.
Speaker:That's all.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah,
Speaker:yeah, yeah.
Speaker:That's cool.
Speaker:It's good.
Speaker:Sounds great.
Speaker:Good thing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm getting way more product development time done during the day.
Speaker:Not just in that early morning now, which is nice.
Speaker:So you've changed your schedule, your diary.
Speaker:Some I have to stick extended my development slot longer into the morning.
Speaker:That's nice getting it done.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I fill up my coffee.
Speaker:Mm-hmm still feeling that Wallaby in my quads a little bit, the
Speaker:Wallaby, the Walla beast.
Speaker:what are your hobbies?
Speaker:Just Hmm.
Speaker:Business designing and making things.
Speaker:It's kind of been a weird um, I don't know what to say.
Speaker:Like it's, it's kind of been somewhat negative, I suppose, especially in like
Speaker:my personal relationships of like that I have definitely verged towards what most
Speaker:would probably consider like workaholism.
Speaker:And in my take on that, I've.
Speaker:I kind of recognize that more.
Speaker:I think it's probably better to have a break and not do what's considered work.
Speaker:Even if I like truthfully feel like I enjoy a lot of the times, like my free
Speaker:time, let's just say of work would be more on the design side and less on the
Speaker:like, solving some logistical problem.
Speaker:you know, designing a product or I feel like that's my like, release
Speaker:time of there's no responsibility.
Speaker:So that was always great.
Speaker:And I'm actually, I don't know, pretty bad otherwise at hobby type things
Speaker:I play video games with my brother online, like over the internet.
Speaker:That's about
Speaker:that's non-work nice.
Speaker:Little bit of non-work.
Speaker:How about
Speaker:you?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I used to play a lot of video games in my youth.
Speaker:Old man.
Speaker:I can't remember the last time.
Speaker:Oh no.
Speaker:It's within the last three years that I had a little bit of a binge,
Speaker:but it was only a few sessions.
Speaker:I rediscovered StarCraft.
Speaker:Oh, that's one of the games, my brother and I used to play
Speaker:like crazy when we were kids.
Speaker:Yeah, same.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I used to play a lot of stuff.
Speaker:I think at, at a certain it's probably during design school when I was still
Speaker:playing quite heavily and oh yeah.
Speaker:As I sort of realized how I suppose important it was to me at a certain
Speaker:point, I sort of realized how much, you know, where the time balance was.
Speaker:And I sort of, yeah, I turned gaming off at some point during that period and
Speaker:sort of focused on probably my fourth year of school was where I sort of.
Speaker:Switch focus a bit and kind of never really got back into that
Speaker:space in a big way, but um, Hmm.
Speaker:I, I, yeah, dunno
Speaker:on StarCraft.
Speaker:Do you hear the Zurg noises in movies ever?
Speaker:Do I hear them in movies?
Speaker:I can't sound
Speaker:effects.
Speaker:Oh man.
Speaker:I hear it all the time.
Speaker:Like, I mean, I'm playing that game for like 20 years now and it's like
Speaker:every movie with an alien in it.
Speaker:I hear that like creepy curls or noises.
Speaker:I was find it funny.
Speaker:I'm like, oh, there's only six noises we use for aliens apparently.
Speaker:And Zurich is one of them.
Speaker:. deep.
Speaker:That's a deep cut for all you.
Speaker:None.
Speaker:I like it.
Speaker:Spare crafters.
Speaker:I think my equivalent these days in terms of that sort of
Speaker:head space is probably podcasts.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:So looping back to a reply.
Speaker:I listened to the last episode last night on my ride home and I've
Speaker:got this funny thing with podcast because I can't listen to them when
Speaker:I'm doing sort of active brain work.
Speaker:Mm-hmm like, you know, quoting sales.
Speaker:anything computery.
Speaker:I typically can't sort of listen to anything but music, but when I do listen
Speaker:to podcasts in bulk is when I've been on the tools for extended periods of time.
Speaker:So like, you know, last year, trying to get a big job out the door, you know,
Speaker:just me on the weekend headphones in listening to like back to back episodes
Speaker:mm-hmm of reply or something like that.
Speaker:And so I get this thing where I've linked very specific memories to episodes.
Speaker:Oh, interesting.
Speaker:It's kind of almost in a photographic way of like I'm picturing an orbidal
Speaker:sander on a Birch top with Osmo oil and the smell and the feel of.
Speaker:Going in linked to this moment in a podcast.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I feel like I've got the hundreds of these little links to
Speaker:like menial production processes and some moment in a podcast.
Speaker:Interesting.
Speaker:I used to happen with me for music all the time when I was like, like,
Speaker:I have specific songs in specific driving instances and like a certain
Speaker:vehicle I had in high school, you know?
Speaker:So I get
Speaker:that.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:What was the reply I have just said, do you remember that you were
Speaker:that length, sand sanding Birch
Speaker:tops?
Speaker:No, I couldn't.
Speaker:I couldn't give you the episode table.
Speaker:I'm sorry.
Speaker:No, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:no, I love that show.
Speaker:I mean, not to dive too deep into that.
Speaker:It was such a great show.
Speaker:Really nothing like it, I, maybe the equivalent would be like
Speaker:the internet version of this American life potentially.
Speaker:, I feel like they did, it did stories in a different way than most.
Speaker:And they always had this amazing, like catch to them or like a
Speaker:solution that was like, what, how did that happen outta nowhere?
Speaker:Or you found the right person or and then kind of had a crappy, year or
Speaker:so after that whole scandal and kind of felt like it died at that point.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:for sure.
Speaker:Yeah, I think that they did a really, they managed to get a really good
Speaker:balance between sort of trivial techy, fun stuff, and humor and stories that,
Speaker:you know, mm-hmm , they could cry.
Speaker:Like, yeah, I remember over the years, like if I ever sort of.
Speaker:Tear up listening to a podcast.
Speaker:I'm like, oh Jim, you have not had enough sleep.
Speaker:I'm working too hard.
Speaker:Cuz I know that little, that tiny little anecdote in that podcast just
Speaker:made me cry, which is fine and great.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Important.
Speaker:But that was kind of this trigger point of like, oh, okay.
Speaker:Crying again.
Speaker:Like I've been working too hard.
Speaker:I haven't had enough sleep course.
Speaker:I
Speaker:totally get that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Note to self Uhhuh
Speaker:crying at my desk.
Speaker:Nobody notices oh, ive noticed you on that topic.
Speaker:I think I've seen videos.
Speaker:You've posted somewhere.
Speaker:What do you do?
Speaker:A, I didn't realize you used Osmo till like this week, which is interesting
Speaker:cuz we love that stuff and it's just interesting to see it spread
Speaker:throughout the world in different ways.
Speaker:What do you use?
Speaker:Do you use a sander with that?
Speaker:Like a pad somehow.
Speaker:ask Scott, is that something, is that what that was?
Speaker:Is it absorbing then or are you spreading it at that point?
Speaker:Mm, we spread it.
Speaker:Oh, look, it's a deep, deep conversation.
Speaker:Osmo application.
Speaker:Oh yeah, it is.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:Joe and Kyle will be into this.
Speaker:Don't worry.
Speaker:Typically
Speaker:we spread it with a white scotch bright mm-hmm attached to a pneumatic orbital
Speaker:sander mm-hmm . Oh, interesting.
Speaker:So tip a bit of like, assuming we're doing a big surface here,
Speaker:like a table top tip a bit of Osmo on ju orbital it on with a scotch.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And that kind of really pushes it into the pores of the timber, but it's quite
Speaker:an uneven coat at this point and kind of spread it, you know, both a axis,
Speaker:get full coverage and then switch the scotch bright off the orbital,
Speaker:put a clean white micro fiber, just Velcro straight onto the orbital.
Speaker:And then.
Speaker:Polish it not Polish it, but you know, buffet flat with the
Speaker:orbital, with the microfiber
Speaker:cloth, nothing else you don't like wipe it up first?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Cause the scotch flight's got it quite flat and consistent.
Speaker:Like it's still a bit lumpy and weird, but then you come back with the microfiber
Speaker:and that flattens it off nicely.
Speaker:So that's kind of first coat then maybe sand min coat sand with 800 grit,
Speaker:something really fine just to knock the dust off the top and then repeat that
Speaker:process for another, at least one more coat, but sometimes a third on a tabletop.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:That's it's very interesting.
Speaker:I've seen, I mean, I kinda learned through watching people do it on YouTube with
Speaker:little scotch brights, but it was always like a hand process we've always done.
Speaker:I mean, a lot of furniture, you, it feels like you can't get it.
Speaker:You have to kind of do stuff by hand like that.
Speaker:Anyway.
Speaker:Certain shapes, but
Speaker:interesting like a table leg or something like an on an open.
Speaker:Leg, we, we just RA it all in, you know?
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Big GC wet rag of Osmo and just get it everywhere and then come back with a
Speaker:dry microfiber or semi dry microfiber and just like take off all the access
Speaker:and that's fine for more complex shapes.
Speaker:So some good process porn.
Speaker:I know this is what the people come for.
Speaker:That's why I wanted to get into it.
Speaker:No, that's very interesting.
Speaker:I, It must also that probably helps use less on the fir you
Speaker:know, to spread it around that way.
Speaker:Cuz then you don't have much like we've used like rollers little foam
Speaker:rollers before mm-hmm and that's pretty efficient, but I'd say the
Speaker:worst is just dabbing a cloth and then rubbing it or like a, if you
Speaker:just do it by hand with something, it feels like you use the most that way.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You're gonna lose a lot in the cloth, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I quite like we've dabbled with this technique.
Speaker:I've got, I like when I see people using like a rubber
Speaker:plastic scraper to hell yeah.
Speaker:Apply it.
Speaker:Like, that's another good.
Speaker:I've seen that, like flooring contractors do that, or like COC do that with big or
Speaker:they used to do that with big tabletops.
Speaker:I remember when CAAC came out and visited us, there was a
Speaker:lot of Osmo talk at the time.
Speaker:Well, everyone's got different methods.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:But yeah, we tried that for a while with the scraper and that's quite good.
Speaker:So Aaron who works here, he's kind of always been the Osmo, the
Speaker:Osmo king he kind of fell into a spot years ago where he was the
Speaker:one doing, making all our tables.
Speaker:So therefore he was the one doing the most sort of Osmo application.
Speaker:And there's, you know, there's probably thousands of words written in.
Speaker:Work flowy about how to do it in our production standards.
Speaker:And then, you know, there's been lots of different versions of that
Speaker:over the year years as we've changed our techniques, but, Hmm, very cool.
Speaker:Yeah, I'd love what I'd love to try a UV Osmo at some point.
Speaker:Have you overlooked it for that?
Speaker:I haven't.
Speaker:It's, it's pretty sweet.
Speaker:You can just do you use it for, with a lot and it's done.
Speaker:That is crazy.
Speaker:I mean it DRS dang fast.
Speaker:That's like one of the things we love about it is how fast it and well, it
Speaker:always dries, like there's, it seems like you can't mess it up in a certain way.
Speaker:you just keep knocking it down and yeah.
Speaker:Rubbing a little bit back and it's good again.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's good in that sense, but we only use it on a few products.
Speaker:Typically we spray a polyurethane clear coat, water based
Speaker:clear coat on most products.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, I'm jealous of your spray booth.
Speaker:That's something we, oh, that's so good.
Speaker:I've basically chose a mill instead of a spray booth.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:which I can understand why , I don't know, at this point, like hopefully we
Speaker:find a good use for that dang thing, but,
Speaker:Mill's much more exciting, but definitely spray booth gets a lot of
Speaker:work.
Speaker:I bet.
Speaker:Do you have multiple people that do the spring?
Speaker:Yeah, pretty much everyone.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Nice.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Very cool.
Speaker:Well I , I can understand why our businesses do this and they just have
Speaker:one finisher mm-hmm but it's, and maybe we'll get to that point in the
Speaker:same way that we've got a CVE machinist now, like a lead machinist, maybe
Speaker:we'll have a lead finisher one day.
Speaker:it's always felt like one of those jobs to me that's pretty
Speaker:repetitive and meaningful.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And maybe you can get excited about like the new, you know, new gear
Speaker:and get your processes really dialed.
Speaker:And maybe, you know, obviously there are pro professional finishes out there
Speaker:who are really into it and great at it.
Speaker:So maybe we'll get to that point, but at the moment it's one of those jobs
Speaker:that just pretty much anyone can do.
Speaker:And we're all, all trained up to a point where anyone's comfortable
Speaker:jumping in the booth and laying down some sweet coats are clear.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think it'd be tough.
Speaker:I guess.
Speaker:I, I know very little about finishing as, as exemplified by my asking.
Speaker:I also just like to hear about how other people Osmo seems like one of
Speaker:those things that can be like completely different based on who's applying
Speaker:it, but spray finishing, I don't know much about, and it's always seemed
Speaker:like I've heard, there's always like one or two people that do most of it.
Speaker:And that does tend to cause a bottleneck.
Speaker:Cuz I know like one of our neighbors that does some painting, they only
Speaker:have one painter and it comes in.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think he comes in like once or twice a week.
Speaker:And other than that, they just wait for him to come in, you know?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:that in that case, I think it's a little bit more skill based, but oh it
Speaker:is very skill based I think.
Speaker:Yeah, to do it well.
Speaker:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker:Our spray booth is a bit of, bit of a bottleneck for us.
Speaker:So we've got a 2.4 meter wired water wall if you haven't seen it
Speaker:on Instagram and it's the water.
Speaker:Wall's fantastic.
Speaker:We've only cleaned it out once in the three years.
Speaker:We've had it set
Speaker:up the heck's a water
Speaker:wall.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:Water wall
Speaker:spray.
Speaker:I have, I have to look at this.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So basically it's a tank of water.
Speaker:It's probably oh wow.
Speaker:Thousand thousand liters of water in the bottom.
Speaker:Whoa.
Speaker:And a huge fan that powers the airflow up top and miraculously through some
Speaker:magic of like angled steel battens.
Speaker:It sucks water up to the top tank.
Speaker:Mm-hmm , there's no pumps in it.
Speaker:It's completely sort of static.
Speaker:Other than that fan sitting on top and it magically sucks water up and
Speaker:then creates this waterfall effect.
Speaker:And so the overs spray gets captured by the waterfall and then filtered behind
Speaker:in a series of wet patterns and stuff.
Speaker:And producers really clean air out, out of the exhaust.
Speaker:Do you
Speaker:exhaust it outside?
Speaker:Yeah, it goes
Speaker:up through the roof.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I was like for a second, I was thinking like, it's so clean that you just put it
Speaker:back into the shop and it's like, holy Mo.
Speaker:You
Speaker:probably could cuz we're using water based paints.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Probably actually could do that.
Speaker:I don't, if you're using oil based or solvent based paints, I don't think
Speaker:that would be a good idea, but yeah.
Speaker:It's cool.
Speaker:And so then there's a coagulant that's added to the water that just makes all
Speaker:the paint particles kind of stick together and float to the bottom sink, float to
Speaker:the bottom sink to the bottom and then amazing your annually or whatever service
Speaker:schedule you gotta get in there and like shovel out all this like go mm-hmm
Speaker:clean out the McDonald's for,
Speaker:but yeah.
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:It's one of those jobs.
Speaker:That's a good thing.
Speaker:But yeah, we are, we are maxing out capacity in that booth.
Speaker:Like we've got just looking at that table.
Speaker:We've got about 45 jobs live at the moment and the majority of
Speaker:those have got clear code on them.
Speaker:And so, yeah, it's a pretty busy corner of the workshop.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That sounds, it's one thing we've never really offered and I've found
Speaker:some outsourcing of finishing, but it doesn't ever, if you can offer it.
Speaker:I think it, it would be a lot smoother for the client and for us, but never
Speaker:really done finishing for people.
Speaker:Cause it's just, eh, I don't know.
Speaker:It's just tough when you don't have a space dedicated to it.
Speaker:Like you gotta really control the air and
Speaker:we're not totally, our next thing is to build a bit of a drying room cuz it's,
Speaker:you know, it's really cold at the moment.
Speaker:Probably not by American standards, but for Australia it's pretty cold.
Speaker:Like it's minus probably minus one at the moment.
Speaker:It's pretty cold.
Speaker:And when you're spraying a whole bunch of water based clear on parts
Speaker:and the workshop's, you know, close to zero, it's not a particularly
Speaker:happy time for paint drawing.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:My and a very short story about that is when I got my first shop out of the
Speaker:garage, I went into this shared shop and it had like 26 foot high ceilings.
Speaker:And it was basically an open shed on the ends.
Speaker:And it was super cold that winter and the space that I actually got was a
Speaker:spray booth that was UN permitted from the city . And there, I remember seeing
Speaker:on the door of it when I went to go tour the space, like where I was supposed to
Speaker:move in, there was still this spray booth and there was a ticket from the city.
Speaker:It was like $30,000.
Speaker:Fine.
Speaker:And I was just like, that's literally, always scared me to, like, we're not doing
Speaker:anything close to unpermitted spring.
Speaker:Cause yeah.
Speaker:That's a crazy amount of money.
Speaker:But that got that.
Speaker:I got that shop space because that person didn't get a permit.
Speaker:She, yep.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So we wanna build a little drying room.
Speaker:I'd love to do it with a saw dust burning heater to actually get
Speaker:our saw dust happening as the heat source for that drying room.
Speaker:But we need to get the insurance company board before we do that.
Speaker:You like heat some water outside or something and then like keep
Speaker:the burning outside of your space so that it's not yeah.
Speaker:That's
Speaker:one way like a radiator.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Make like a hydraulic system bring the warmth in.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Maybe by next winter, we'll have something sorted out.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But our winters are pretty mild.
Speaker:Like it's cold now cuz it's, you know, 7:00 AM and it's probably frosty out
Speaker:there, but by 10 o'clock it'll be sunny and like warm and we can push
Speaker:drying, trolleys out into the sun and
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Use your solar panels somehow to like reradiate inside.
Speaker:Well that's
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:That's the other approach is just to use that excess electric energy.
Speaker:It's probably more efficient.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I like the dust version.
Speaker:Make pucks.
Speaker:That'd be nice.
Speaker:Just don't just don't tell anybody.
Speaker:They'll never know.
Speaker:How would it,
Speaker:would they ever know?
Speaker:How would they ever know when we've published something on the internet?
Speaker:I
Speaker:dunno.
Speaker:What are you gonna work on this week?
Speaker:I'm going this week's pretty much over for me.
Speaker:Big
Speaker:Thursday.
Speaker:I just forget about that.
Speaker:Bye.
Speaker:Next week, I've got a
Speaker:planning session with the business coaches this morning.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:Which goes pretty much old morning.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:And then afternoon, I probably do some frantic quoting for things that I've
Speaker:promised people this week and the day will be over mm-hmm . End of story.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:How about
Speaker:you?
Speaker:We're kind of working out the last final, like scale up
Speaker:production, kinks of dust boots.
Speaker:I've got a quote stuff.
Speaker:Good duck.
Speaker:The, the tower of duck.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I'm starting to work on a little bit of my R and D time.
Speaker:We'll probably spent like the.
Speaker:Aluminum pedestals for the ATC.
Speaker:I really wanna oh, cool.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Start to prototype those in a way that's producible a larger scale, cuz
Speaker:that would be a sweet job for the mill to start working on mm-hmm and people
Speaker:are starting to ask about those, which is nice because they, I mean, my whole
Speaker:thought was that they would work hand in hand with or the dust boot and yeah.
Speaker:People seem interested in those.
Speaker:Yeah, really.
Speaker:Maybe we could replace our janky carousel tool changer with one of those.
Speaker:I
Speaker:always thought the co it's funny, cuz I think the carousels are kind of cool.
Speaker:Like, and, and yours, whenever you have it, right.
Speaker:It's like, now you want the opposite and I want, I'm like, oh
Speaker:the carousels pretty cool and fast
Speaker:it's really not fast.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Cool.
Speaker:Exciting.
Speaker:Yeah, I like that.
Speaker:Very
Speaker:cool.
Speaker:Very good.
Speaker:Are you still managing to do a little bit of default diary structure?
Speaker:I got real bad last few weeks with my lack of being in a normal place and time.
Speaker:And, yeah, I'd like to get it back into that.
Speaker:Also just Haven having the thing I've struggled with is when I don't have the
Speaker:things for each of the periods of time, then I kind of like let the whole thing
Speaker:slide but I, I think my favorite part that I think just stuck because I don't
Speaker:like doing it is I don't feel so guilty about not doing quotes immediately.
Speaker:I'd like, feel fine.
Speaker:I'm like, well, this isn't the time to do quotes, you know, mm-hmm
Speaker:that's tomorrow at whatever time
Speaker:. Yeah, that worked well for me too.
Speaker:Nice.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Now, yeah.
Speaker:I'm curious to see how yours evolves now that you've changed
Speaker:so much of your responsibilities.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's always a bit of a moving beast, but yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We should business head off scheme.
Speaker:business Ponzi scheme.
Speaker:We taking next week off.
Speaker:Is that the plan?
Speaker:Ah, yeah, I think probably best I'll I'll be doing some form of camping out.
Speaker:Enjoy it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Can't sit in my bed and podcast from an Airbnb this time.
Speaker:That's my little time off of summer.
Speaker:Enjoy it.
Speaker:Mm-hmm
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:Cool.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:See you.
Speaker:Thanks have a
Speaker:good week.
Speaker:Bye bye.
Speaker:Well, we get back to our Ponzi schemes.
Speaker:Yes, . Sounds good.
