This week on Living the Call Deacon Charlie talks with Jason Deutermann. Jason is a husband and father and works as the Director of Innovation Design at the OSV Institute. His work focuses on helping parishes and dioceses innovate their processes and programs of ministry.

In this episode, Deacon Charlie and Jason discuss fitness, diet,  holistic living and how the body and spirituality interact in faith. They explore how married couples can express the one flesh element of their marriage in daily life and how to grow in and spread joy by this mystery. Jason also discusses “Catholic design thinking,”  and how it’s revolutionizing the Church today.