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In this episode of the Black Executive Perspective Podcast, hosts Tony Tidbit and Chris P. Reed delve into pressing issues surrounding race, accountability, and psychological competency in leadership roles, especially law enforcement. The discussion highlights a recent tragic incident involving the killing of Sonya Massey by a police officer. It contrasts it with another case where a white woman firing a gun in a police station was handled non-lethally. The podcast champions the need for mandatory psychological evaluations in key positions and calls for consistent accountability and justice. The episode also emphasizes the importance of ongoing learning, empathy, and proactive measures in creating a better, fairer world.

▶︎ In This Episode

  1. 00:00: Introduction and Initial Discussion
  2. 00:34: Podcast Introduction and Sponsors
  3. 01:43: Vacation and Current Events
  4. 03:08: Qualifications for Roles and Psychological Evaluations
  5. 04:42: Discussion on Presidential Competency
  6. 21:43: Law Enforcement and Psychological Testing
  7. 27:17: Case Study: Sonya Massey Incident
  8. 30:55: Police Arrive at the Scene
  9. 31:40: Unexpected Turn of Events
  10. 31:59: Analyzing the Officer's Actions
  11. 34:03: Accountability in Law Enforcement
  12. 36:27: The Importance of Psychological Screening
  13. 51:04: Comparing Police Responses
  14. 55:23: Final Thoughts and Reflections

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Tony Tidbit:

Where's the partner?

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The partner was there.

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Why didn't the partner say my partner

shot this lady in the face for no reason?

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Where was that?

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Okay.

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There was a total cover up

until the video came out.

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Then they fired him.

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Okay.

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That's the issue.

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There's a million issues here,

but the partner was there.

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He saw it.

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Where did that go?

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We'll discuss race and how it plays

a factor and how we didn't even talk

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about this topic because we were afraid.

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BEP Narrator: A Black

Executive Perspective.

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Tony Tidbit: Welcome to the Black

Executive Perspective Podcast, a

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safe space where we discuss all

matters related to race, especially

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race in corporate America.

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I'm your host, Tony Tidbit.

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Chris P. Reed: And I'm

your co host, Chris P.

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Reed.

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Tony Tidbit: And again,

we are live at WNHU 88.

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7 on the Richter dial here at

the University of New Haven.

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Podcast studio.

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We want to thank them for their

continual partnership with A Black

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Executive Perspective Podcast.

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Students is out.

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I think they got another, how much

Noelle, another three weeks left, about

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another two

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weeks, two weeks before they

come back, before they'll be

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running around the campus.

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So we Really appreciate the partnership.

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Go chargers.

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Chris P. Reed: We also like to thank and

shout out our partners at CODE M Magazine,

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where the mission is saving the black

family by first saving the black man.

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That's CODE M Magazine, CODE

M Magazine, two M's dot com.

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Tony Tidbit: Yeah, definitely.

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Check out our partners, CODE M Magazine.

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And actually they just launched

their August, um, uh, edition.

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Check it out.

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It's all about fitness and mental

health, really good articles.

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So definitely go and check them out.

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So if you, you know, obviously it's the

summertime and people are in and out.

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Vacations, the whole nine

yards runs the gamut here.

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Right.

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And you know, look, I was on vacation

the last couple of weeks as well.

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Uh, with my family in Martha's

Vineyard, uh, for two weeks,

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having a really, really good time.

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Right.

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However, when you're on vacation,

the world don't stop turning.

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All right.

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Stuff still comes up and keeps happening.

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Right.

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And so based on that, Chris and

myself wanted to dive into some

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of the topics that have happened

over the last couple of weeks.

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And we want to give you our point

of view on some of these areas.

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And we, and trust me, um, there's,

like I said, the world keeps turning.

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And so there's a lot of

things that's been going on.

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So today.

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For this episode, we're going to

discuss these, these topics, give

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our point of view, and then more

importantly, hope that you definitely

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see where we're coming from.

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Because at the end of the day,

discussion is always about learning.

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And our goal is to learn from

what's happening in the world.

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So we can hopefully make

the world a better place.

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What's your thoughts on that?

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My brother,

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Chris P. Reed: man, I think that's

exactly what we need to write this time.

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And I think we're going

to do a good job of it.

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And I think the people enjoy it.

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Tony Tidbit: All right, my man.

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So look, let's don't hold them up.

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Are you ready to talk about it?

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Chris P. Reed: I'm ready.

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Tony Tidbit: All right,

let's talk about it.

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Chris P. Reed: So, the 1st thing I

wanted to get into is probably going

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to cascade into the other things that

we have before us, but that is what are

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the qualifications for certain roles.

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And 1 of the things that I think we

should really look at and investigate.

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We, we, we, it would do us justice to

explore the mandatory psychological

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evaluations that are aligned with

certain positions, especially those

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that are in government law enforcement.

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and judicial, you know, responsibilities.

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And the reason why that is is because

you should have to have a certain

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Psychological acumen in order to

facilitate roles that are responsible

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for the prosperity and the protection

and the oversight of humanity.

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Right?

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And so a couple of examples that

we'll talk about, but tell me what

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your thoughts is on those type

of mandatory things put in place.

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Tony Tidbit: So, so number one, I mean,

this is something you wanted to bring up.

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And, and, um, number one, you said a

couple of words to start laughing because

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they've been, these words have been big

time over the last two, three weeks, no

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one, you said qualifications and then

you psychological, uh, not psychological

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safety, but psychological, uh, um, What's

the word I'm looking for that you're

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competent psychological competency, right?

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And, and so, so those things have been,

um, big over the last couple of weeks.

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So do me a favor dive into when you're

talking about psychological competency.

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For basic qualifications for certain

roles, elaborate, what do you mean?

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So

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Chris P. Reed: the easy one, low hanging

fruit at this point in time is the

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GOP's assertion that Joe Biden wasn't

mentally competent to run the free world.

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Okay.

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He wasn't qualified mentally to

hold the position that we were

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paying him to hold as the commander

in chief leader at a free world.

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Tony Tidbit: Okay.

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Chris P. Reed: And there was

some back and forth about that.

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And.

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Ironically, there are some

positions, some roles.

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I got a boy that's a air traffic

control and 1 of the qualification

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1 of the mandates in air traffic

control is at the age of 52, you

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should be retiring and they did some

type of, uh, understanding or equation

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to where you start to lose certain.

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Capacities and focus and

things of that nature.

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So you're compensated

loaded on the front end.

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Because they know that around 52,

you're going to be up out of there.

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You got to find something else to do,

whether they're still in that vein or not.

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They don't want you watching planes and

being vigilant with your eyes and them

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dark rooms and all that kind of stuff.

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That's smart.

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I love that.

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I love that.

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Right.

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Makes sense.

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But it's an understood dynamic that

with age becomes mental degradation.

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Um, but it's also a situation where

your prejudice, your bias, the

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baggage that you bring into roles.

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Maybe shouldn't be aligned with certain

responsibilities that roles have,

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like a police officer, like a judge,

like a president of the United States.

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So not only should we be wagging our

finger at somebody too old and passing.

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Cognitive dissonance test.

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But we should also be saying, should this

person represent the free world based on

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their psychological makeup, based on how

they see things and how they interact,

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because some sociopaths it's great for

a CEO to not care about numbers and

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cut thousands of people's job and not

care about the repercussive actions.

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That's not great for a leader

of people in a society.

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Tony Tidbit: Right.

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Chris P. Reed: And I think that

one of the feedback that you'll

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receive about Donald Trump.

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Particularly is he that's just

Trump being Trump and he just crazy.

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He's just going to say whatever,

but this role doesn't call for that.

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This role calls for decorum.

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This role call for presidential kind of

executive positioning and responsibility.

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You can't be a wild card and

then you can lead everybody.

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Tony Tidbit: So go ahead

and finish your thoughts.

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Chris P. Reed: just think that if

we had somebody learned and trained

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and that had put something together

to say, these are the steps you

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have, these are the prerequisites.

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To fit this role,

psychological prerequisites.

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We might not be in this

position we're in now, bro.

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Tony Tidbit: So, so

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you said a lot there.

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Okay.

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A lot.

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And there's, we could

talk about this all day.

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Cause we can go in a million ways, right?

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You use the air traffic controller, um,

who obviously that person has millions

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of people's lives in their hand, right?

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One mistake, thousands of people,

hundreds of people can die.

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Right.

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So, you know, uh, evidently they

came up with some type of, you know,

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You know, mechanism to say, you get

to a certain age, you, you start,

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uh, decreasing in your ability to

be able to stay, uh, competent in

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terms of being able to do that.

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Now, let's be fair, you know, and then

again, this is where we get into trouble.

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Okay.

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It's because every person

that's 52 ain't 52.

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Every person that's 70 ain't 70.

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Okay.

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And, you know, so we, so that's

where the gray areas come into.

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Okay.

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Because we all don't age the same, our

brains don't diminish the same, you

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know, so, so that's the great, that's

the rub, that's the, the hard thing to,

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to, to, to put it to the, to define and

say specifically, um, you're done right

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now, all that being said to your point,

I think there is a thing that you have

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to, at least people should be getting

tested when you're in these roles.

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Constantly.

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And, and so when we look at

Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

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You know, so, and again,

this is our opinions.

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Okay.

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These are things that we believe

based on our experiences and that

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we're going to talk about, right.

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You know, and we know when you

have the highest, when you hold

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the highest office in the land, all

right, which is the president of the

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United States, it's going to age you.

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All right.

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If you look at every president

that went in, all right.

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And then four years later, what they

looked like eight years later, Okay.

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They're totally different individuals.

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And rightfully so, because you're

carrying weight on every little thing

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that when you and I go to sleep,

we ain't thinking about, all right.

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And it's not just what's happening

in the United States, it's global.

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So you're going to age, right?

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That's number one.

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Okay.

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And I think we're at an area now,

and let's be fair now, because I,

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you know, like I said earlier, every

50, every number, ain't the same.

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You know, when I was a kid, You know,

our parents, they were 40, 50, they

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were like, they ain't go make it.

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All right.

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Because they didn't take care of

themselves where today people are 50

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and they're like the new 50 is a new 40.

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All right.

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60 is the new 50, but we're talking

different type of things here.

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Right.

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We're talking good.

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You brought up is there certain

positions that psychologically

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you got to be squared away.

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Right.

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Yes.

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And then sometimes the people

calling or saying that you're not

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psych psychologically competent.

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Is the person that

psychologically competent.

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All right.

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So, so who's who's testing who?

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Yeah, who's who's testing who?

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All right.

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And so I remember we're on

vacation, uh, Gayle and I.

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Oh, no, no, this was probably

before we were on vacation

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after they had the first debate.

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And let's be fair.

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And again, this is my opinion.

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And I saw the first debate, I'm

sorry, Joe Biden, you did a good job.

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All right.

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At the end of the day, it's just time.

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And this is where I

think it's less than him.

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He's crazy.

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It's just age has caught up with him.

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And, and, and here's the thing

though, when you're on a debate

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stage, what is a debate stage about?

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Chris P. Reed: About the

facts about, uh, information,

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Tony Tidbit: right?

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So somebody saying you're saying one

thing, somebody saying, nah, that ain't

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true, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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And then you got to have your wits about

you to be able to challenge or push back

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immediately based on what is being set.

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Right.

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And we saw that he couldn't do that.

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Right.

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And, and the right thing to do in

my opinion, and I think a lot of

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people was for him to bow out and let

somebody, you know, new come in and

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look, we have these things now where

people say we should put age limits.

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Um, there should be.

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And, and, and I'm gonna be honest

with you in those type of roles.

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I think that kind of makes sense.

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Okay.

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But here's the thing, the point I

wanted to go and I'm gonna turn the

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mic back over to you is that, um, Okay.

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Me and we were watching, I think it was

CBS this morning and stuff like that.

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And they were asking people, uh,

what was their opinion of the debate?

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And, and, and, and, and is Joe, Joe,

Joe Biden or Donald Trump too old.

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And this one guy, this one guy

said, and it had me dying laughing.

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He said, look, he said, they're both old.

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Right.

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He said, one person is

slowing down because of age.

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The other one is just unhinged.

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I started laughing because I

thought it was really funny, right?

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But to your point, who's to say?

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Right.

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I just think I'm going

back to what you're saying.

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Yes, there should be some level.

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And you talked about police officers

and, and judges, the same thing.

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There's no age limit on them, but

eventually, and we'll, we'll dive into it.

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Eventually people become unhinged, right?

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There's not, they're not

there psychologically, right.

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To, to do the job that they're

supposed to do at the level

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that they're supposed to do it.

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Chris P. Reed: Well, I think the

situation is Tony, it's not even so

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much about the age, but about the.

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Uh, the mental acumen, the ability

to understand and rationalize

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the responsibilities of the role.

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I'll give you a couple of instances, but

in the instance, we'll go to the police

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officers in a moment, but let's just

stick to the highest office in the land.

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Yeah, um, we have to have a check.

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The whole.

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Democratic Republic is based on a

series of checks and balances, right?

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So, so there's a, there's a term in Latin,

case custodes, ipsos custodes, and that

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is who will guard the guardians, right?

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Who's policing the police, who's

telling the people who are supposed

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to be in charge that enough's enough.

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And the good thing about this current

situation is that the Democrats

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chose to guard the guardian.

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Tony Tidbit: Correct.

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Chris P. Reed: And they chose to say,

Hey, we're This is not good for us.

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This is not how we want to

represent ourselves as a collective.

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And so what we'll do is make

adjustments to not have this

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represent us going forward.

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Unfortunately, when you hear

the GOP, it's, that's how he

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feels, you know, he's just crazy.

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We don't all think like that.

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We don't all feel like that.

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And you can't absolve yourself

to sometimes be aligned with

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someone who you've designated.

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As your leader, your leader represents and

speaks for your interest and your vision

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and your purpose at all times should be.

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And so it's too much of a mixed bag.

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Get this person evaluated to say, if

this is, if this is how he really is

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and who he really is, then we have to

live with that and understand that.

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But it's too often where they say,

well, that's not what he meant.

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Those words are in English.

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I speak English.

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You speak English first language.

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I understand the definition

of terms and words.

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I'm taking it for face value.

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I can't go, like I tell my wife all

the time, I can't go by what you mean.

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I can only go by what you say.

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Tony Tidbit: So just to be

clear though, because I just

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want to make sure we're clear.

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What you're saying is, I just want to

be clear is that for Trump, you have

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people always trying to interpret.

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What

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he's saying, which could, to be fair,

he could be incompetent, psychologically

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incompetent as well, but instead

of them calling that out, they're

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basically trying to be, um, a surrogate.

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In terms of just trying to

say, Oh, he don't mean that.

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Well, you know, he

didn't mean it that way.

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And, and, and to be fair, that's

a good point because as you get

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older, I remember, I'm just going

to my own experience, right?

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And as, as, as my parents and

grandpa, and you, they get older,

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they start saying some crazy stuff.

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Right.

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And then you're like, what did they say?

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And, and, but these were the

same individuals that had.

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threw major wisdom on you

throughout your life, right?

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And I remember this was years ago,

buddy, when I was in Hawaii, I was

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over my, um, my girlfriend's house

and her mother said something to me.

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I never forgot.

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And she was talking about, I think

her mother was going through,

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to your point, mental challenges

and stuff of that nature.

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And she said something, she

said, look, always remember,

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once an adult, twice a child.

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And I never forgot that.

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And what she was meaning is, we

come into the world as a child.

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Then we become an adult, but as

we get into our older ages, We

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become childlike again, right?

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And that's everybody, right?

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So I hear your point in terms of,

you know, somebody always trying to

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make excuses for somebody who may

be, they may be off the rails, right?

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Where's their test?

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Who's holding them accountable, and

when you say holding them accountable,

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we're talking about holding them

accountable, we're talking the group

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holding them accountable, right?

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Well, as you said, what the Democrats

did when it came to Joe Biden, right?

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Now look, net net, let's be fair.

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This is all about winning.

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So if somebody, you know, let's just

be fair now, if, if this had nothing

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to do with winning, I don't think they

would have said nothing to Joe Biden.

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All right.

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They would have been like,

you know, happy trails, good

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luck, whatever the case may be.

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Okay.

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But this is about winning

and holding power.

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And then when it's about winning and

holding power, then all bets are off.

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Right.

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And that's the, that's the other

thing about the other side.

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They want to win.

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And they feel that this person,

Trump is their best chance to win.

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So, so what if he's senile?

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All right.

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So what if he ain't got

his faculties together?

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We're going to prop them up.

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And look, I'm not saying that, but I'm

just saying it's all when, when it's

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about winning, people are willing to

do whatever it takes to get it done.

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Chris P. Reed: I think we got to be

cognizant of the blast radius though,

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Tony, like some wars are, the juice

is not worth the squeeze, right?

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So we win this election at the cost of the

civility Of our nation and the sanctity

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of our citizens at the reputation that we

forged and fought and died for that you

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served for, to be honest with you, right?

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Like we're, we're, we become a

laughingstock on so many different

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accords where you have people that say,

uh, he's, he says so many irresponsible

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things that are not classically aligned

with the role, even when in office.

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That it should have been like, oh, my

gosh, I can't believe somebody of that.

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It would say that after being

provided the platform in which he

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has, he's, he's not very, he's not

very presidential with the platform.

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And so we can go into policies and

things of that nature, whatever

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the case may be, but it's not even

translating into goodwill and good kind

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of pulling out of the Paris accord is

so many different things where we're

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acting like these things didn't occur.

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We're not going to get to

the insurrection right now.

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Right.

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But we're acting like.

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Everything's a mulligan.

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Like everything can't be a Mulligan.

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No, you don't.

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I mean, in that situation, we

have to hold people accountable.

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If we're going to hold ourselves

as a society accountable.

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And I think that for us on this

platform and this podcast, we as

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black people are overarched in the

accountability factor, like we are.

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We have to be used to black taxes,

all this other stuff, you know, for

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a fact, there's no way Obama could

have not been top of the class.

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Could have said whatever the hell

he wanted to say late for meetings,

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not reading press reports, firing

people, friends, going to jail.

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Can you imagine it would never

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Tony Tidbit: happen?

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Okay.

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Chris P. Reed: Like, like Sam,

Jack said, in time to heal,

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close your eyes, close your eyes.

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Imagine he was black . Oh,

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Tony Tidbit: yeah, yeah.

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No, that was, uh, Matthew Macon.

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Yeah, mcc, right?

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Imagine that he was black.

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All right.

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Next thing him not guilty, man.

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Alright.

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No.

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Come on.

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She, he said Imagine if she was

white, but he was white, right?

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Imagine if was white saying Trump, right?

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If

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Chris P. Reed: Donald Trump oh,

was black, it is Donald Trump.

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Close your eyes.

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Close your eyes.

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No.

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Imagine he was black.

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No,

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Tony Tidbit: no.

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, it wouldn't have done finish.

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All right.

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And here's the thing, bro.

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You, so number one, you're not, and

listen, you're not saying nothing

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that hasn't been said a million times.

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The bottom line is, is his people

that don't want accountability.

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It's the people that support them that

are willing to listen to any excuse.

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All right.

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And, and that's where we've had,

we've degraded as a society.

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Because at the end of the day, the

president of the United States,

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it's more than just a power thing.

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It's about a moral thing as well.

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It's about how the world sees us, you

know, you know, you know, and you go back

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to, uh, uh, George Washington, right?

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Who, who chopped down the cherry tree?

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I can't tell a lie.

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I did it right.

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And then that was the thing that you did.

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You always tell the truth.

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Let's close our eyes and imagine

that, uh, Trump is George Washington.

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All right.

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He would have said, I ain't do it.

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All right.

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So blame somebody else.

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So, so at the end of the day.

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People, when people allow that

you're he's doing what they allow,

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okay, because they feel that he

has their best interests at heart.

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Right.

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And for whatever reason, so

you're 100, but buddy, we're

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way past the decorum part.

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Okay, way past that.

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Okay.

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And so unfortunately we are where we

are as a society and it's really and

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look and some people all you guys are

just know our political affiliation.

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That's number one.

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Okay.

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And number two, we're

calling it like we call it.

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We call it like we see it.

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All right, and you don't have to belong

to a certain platform to see that

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right is right and wrong is wrong.

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All right, that doesn't

even matter, right?

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What matters is, is the right thing,

the way you hold yourself as a person,

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as the character that you bring.

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Okay, especially to your point

when you're running for the

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highest off office on the planet.

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Okay, and we can say the planet

because here at the end of the day,

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I remember when I was in Europe.

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And the people in, in, and, and, um,

and, um, and, uh, the Netherlands

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and stuff, they were telling me more

about our politics than I was like,

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wow, how do you, why do you guys

know more about the U S politics?

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You know what they said, Tony,

because the U S leads the world.

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Okay.

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And what you guys say is.

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And we all have to deal with, okay,

so at the end of the day, those

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things to your point do matter.

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Chris P. Reed: Well, let me say,

and I'm not going with anything

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that's outside of precedent.

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Let me, let me kind of

shift it to law enforcement.

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In 2000, there was a

gentleman named Robert Jordan.

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And let me just give

you the quick and dirty.

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He applied to be a police officer.

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And end up being rejected from

being able to join the academy.

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And the reason why they openly

rejected him was because they said

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his test scores were too high.

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So he took this all the way to the 2nd U.

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S.

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circuit court of appeals in New York City.

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And it was upheld that

it wasn't discriminatory.

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Not to hire him, because his

test scores are too high and

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the rationale behind it was.

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He would end up getting bored at

the job because he was too smart.

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So this is something that's

in the laws, in the books that

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they are testing for things.

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And if that test should be applicable to

the job description, then a psychological

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evaluation, whether it be your bias,

your, your rage, um, you know, EQ.

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Your, you know, emotional intelligence,

all of that should be applied to jobs

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that are important like that, where

people's lives, you said it earlier,

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people's lives hang in the balance.

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And when you have someone, and we've

had so many instances where police

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officers have shown up and been, um.

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Unhinged term you use earlier

unhinged at the worst times.

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When it comes to especially black

and brown folks, it's because I feel

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there should have been more strict.

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Testing upfront or evaluations

periodically to see because

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they are stressful jobs.

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Like you said, previously, we have

friends and family that are in law

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enforcement that are in military

service, things of that nature.

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But when you put these people on

the streets and engage with the

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public as such a high regard, there

has to be responsibilities to make

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sure that you're putting the right

people in the roles and you're making

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sure you're checking in on them.

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Not just, hey, how you doing, but

going and talking to somebody and them

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signing off because the 1 thing that

hasn't happened to any of these trials.

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Have I heard that in his last conversation

with the department psychologist?

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He came out clean,

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Tony Tidbit: right?

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Chris P. Reed: You know, you don't

hear about and I understand hippo laws

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and all this other stuff, but damn,

the stakes are too high to put Rambo.

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Yosemite Sam, rootin this, tootin this

out there on the street with my kids, man.

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Tony Tidbit: No, you're a

hundred percent correct, buddy.

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And, and I, you know, I wish there was

a, um, you know, I, I wish there was a

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bipartisan, uh, department, you know,

department of mental fitness for, you

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know, certain roles that people would have

to, you know, it's like the NFL, right?

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You know, with the NFL football, back in

the day, the doctors work for the team.

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Okay.

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So you may, Chris, and you played

football in college, right?

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You may have pulled your hamstring, right?

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Which could have been really, really bad.

532

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And then the team doctor looks at

you and says, nah, he's alright.

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Okay.

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:

And then you go out and pull

your hamstring off the bone.

535

:

Right?

536

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And so the doctor, Uh, interest wasn't

really about the, the, the player.

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It was about the team, making

sure that the player could play.

538

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So the team could keep making

money, have a chance to win.

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:

Right.

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So if you're going to have this type

of system, it has to be by, it has to

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be objective, it has to be separate.

542

:

Right.

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Where it's not the president's

doctor saying he's okay.

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All right.

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Or the Secretary of State

doctor saying she's okay.

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Okay.

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It's got to be a separate entity that

they deal with on a yearly basis.

548

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And then they give the green

light and they're not connected

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from a political standpoint.

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And I think that, I think that should

be in almost any, like you said, major,

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uh, position in walk, on walk of life.

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Chris P. Reed: Because it adds to

accountability because if I signed

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off on you and then it's determined

that, Hey, a lot of behavior, a lot of

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instances, a lot of opportunities where

this person didn't act according to the

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role came up, I need to explain myself.

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I then as a psychologist, the

psychiatrist have to explain why I

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saw something different and why I

checked the box to say, You're fit

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to get back on the street when police

officers are involved in shootings.

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They have to go to a mandatory

Uh, assessment before they can get

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out of the desk from behind the

desk, like these things are there.

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It's not farfetched, but I believe

these things should happen more

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up front instead of us being

thirsty to fill roles and quotas.

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And man, we, you know, Sam, what's

you that's what's going on in some of

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these roles where people getting badges

and guns and all this other stuff.

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And in some of these roles where you

have people sitting behind benches,

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that when you look at the track record,

when this person comes in front of

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you, It always goes this way, right?

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And for whatever reason, when

this person comes in front of you,

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it goes a different way, right?

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That's telling,

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Tony Tidbit: right?

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Chris P. Reed: There

should be investigation.

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There should be, like you said,

uh, uh, non bias party, right?

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That's able to assess these things

and make sure because if we're not

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as a nation being fair, being just.

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And being, uh, established in

the way in which the forefathers,

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I think really meant it to be.

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Now they wouldn't talk about us.

579

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We're not going to get into that on

this episode, but they wanted it to be

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fair and equitable in the regard of,

for a society to run appropriately,

581

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you have to have checks and balances.

582

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And we are so adverse to being

checked or told anything.

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If we have a certain moniker of power.

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Tony Tidbit: Exactly, buddy.

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But let, let, let's, let's, let's

take that to the next one, right?

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:

Because you talked about,

you know, a police officer.

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Um, and being able to, um, uh,

have these type of evaluations

588

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to make sure that they are safe

mentally to go out and do the job.

589

:

So one of the other things that

happened while we were away

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was the song, Sonya Massey.

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Uh, murder, but in Chicago,

uh, outside of Chicago,

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Chris P. Reed: Springfield,

Springfield, Springfield,

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Tony Tidbit: Illinois,

outside Chicago, right.

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And, uh, and what happened to her?

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So if anybody's been sleeping under

a rock and don't know anything

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about this story, let's play the

clip in terms of what happened.

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News Reporter: For body camera

video just released of the moment,

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a sheriff's deputy shot and killed

a woman in central Illinois.

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Well, Jim and Marie, this police

encounter turns deadly in just seconds.

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And we need to warn viewers,

the body camera footage is

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graphic, but not right away.

602

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The officers who were called to

her home spent several minutes with

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her gathering information about

the 9 1 calls she initially placed.

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The conversation appears to be

wrapping up about a minute later.

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Is there anything else I can do for you?

606

:

They notice the stove is on.

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Massey goes over to the pot of

water, and things take a fatal turn.

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Sonya Massey: Oh,

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I would rebuke you in the name of Jesus.

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You better not, I'll shoot you in the face

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News Reporter: Deputy Grayson's

body camera shows his vantage

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point as he raises his weapon.

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Massey places the pot down, puts

her hands in the air, and ducks.

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Grayson shoots.

615

:

It may have been a little unclear to

see, so Massey said something about,

616

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I rebuke you in the name of Jesus, and

the deputy said something about, You

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better not, I will shoot you in the face.

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Chris P. Reed: So, when we talk about

hitting close to home, this occurred less

619

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than 50 minutes from where I grew up.

620

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In central Illinois, and, um, so it

spread pretty quickly and came back

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around and deputy Grayson, former deputy

Grayson, um, this is something I can't

622

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imagine how these words turned into those

actions with a docile, timid, small,

623

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you could see this woman in her frame.

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You could see the makeup of the situation.

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In fact, she was instructed to go and

do something with the pot on the stove.

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There was no opportunity for a fire to

break out or anything this escalated and

627

:

went to a place that I can't imagine how

it's going to be defensible or defended or

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:

expressed or explained by the police union

or whomever has to defend this, because

629

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this is indefensible, but it goes back to

something we've talked about in the past.

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Tony, what do we tell ourselves?

631

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Our family, our children, if not to

act in the way in which she acted.

632

:

To go down to the ground, like

all the instructions that police

633

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usually give is what down to the

ground, hands up, blah, blah, blah.

634

:

And then got shot in the face in her home.

635

:

There's something called

the castle doctrine.

636

:

And basically it gives you the right

to, it used to be life, liberty, and

637

:

property in the original declaration.

638

:

And now it's life, liberty,

and produce sort of happiness.

639

:

But that property thing is very

important to property owners.

640

:

So when you're in your home, you

have a right to defend your castle

641

:

and maintain your sanctuary.

642

:

She was in her sanctuary

and this occurred.

643

:

And thank God for cell

phones and body cams.

644

:

Because I don't know how this could have

played out if not for the video imagery.

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Tony Tidbit: Well, so number one, we,

we knew, we know how it played out.

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:

Okay.

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:

They hid it until the video came out.

648

:

Okay.

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:

They said that she, um, they didn't

even report it correctly, but let's

650

:

back up because there's a few things

you said and in the video that everybody

651

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saw, and if you're listening online,

Please go to our website to watch

652

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the video, um, if you haven't, which

this has been all over the place.

653

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So I would imagine you haven't seen

it, but you know, some people don't

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pay attention to these things.

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:

Um, let's back up.

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:

She called the police because

there was an intruder.

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She believed there was an intruder.

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The police came, they looked

around, and they saw one of the

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cars that's in front of her house or

in the driveway, I can't remember.

660

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The window, the side, the

passenger window was smashed.

661

:

So evidently there was somebody, okay?

662

:

So they come in, they said, Hey!

663

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You know, you called, we're checking,

we walked all the way around, we looked

664

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at things, we didn't see anything,

you know, and she said, yeah, I heard

665

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something, she said, can I come in?

666

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Yeah, come in.

667

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And then they were like,

okay, blah, blah, blah.

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Hey, can you give us your driver's

license so we can make the report?

669

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We need your ID.

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:

They were going just friendly banter

and she said, Oh, I'm trying to see,

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I can't look, I'm looking forward.

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:

And then one day, one of the officers

say, Hey, why don't you look right there?

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She's looking in her purse.

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And then all of a sudden she

said, Oh, I left the stove on.

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:

Okay.

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And he was like, well, let's

definitely turn the stove off.

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We don't want to burn up in here.

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And they were laughing.

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Okay.

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:

And then she goes over.

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:

Right.

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:

To turn the stove off.

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And then she says, I rebuke

you in the name of Jesus.

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:

And then this dude loses his mind.

685

:

And going back to what you were

saying earlier about psychologically,

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psychological competency.

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:

Okay.

688

:

Did it seem like he was competent

because a woman, a small frail

689

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woman, and look, she made her family

says she had some mental issues.

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:

Okay.

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:

So let's be fair.

692

:

But the bottom line is for him to go off.

693

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And then if you look at the video.

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She had the pot of water and he said,

if you do that, she put the pot down

695

:

and then said, I'm sorry, and put

her hands up and then duck down.

696

:

What did he do?

697

:

He moved over to the side to get a better

shot and shot her three times in the face.

698

:

And then when his partner says, Oh,

I'm going to get the first aid kit.

699

:

What did he say?

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Nah, no need for that.

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:

It was a headshot.

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:

She's gone,

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Chris P. Reed: right?

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Tony Tidbit: I wasn't gonna let her

throw a f ing pot of water in my face.

705

:

That's

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Chris P. Reed: right.

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Tony Tidbit: So where is

the protect and serve?

708

:

Where is that?

709

:

Where is it?

710

:

Where's the humanity?

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:

Okay.

712

:

There's a million things

that this guy could have did.

713

:

All right.

714

:

He didn't deescalate.

715

:

He escalated over and, and

here's the kicker, man.

716

:

And let's go back to that.

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:

That, uh, psychology thing.

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:

He, she said, I rebuke

you in the name of Jesus.

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Jesus.

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:

All right.

721

:

Now look.

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I grew up in the church.

723

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Okay.

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And I'll be honest with you.

725

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What I've learned when somebody says that

and somebody goes off, that means that

726

:

they already had, you know, evil spirit.

727

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They already evil for

them to jump like that.

728

:

They're evil.

729

:

They're evil, buddy.

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:

Because anybody, how would

that make you pull your weapon?

731

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And said, what?

732

:

I'll shoot you in the face by saying that.

733

:

Come on, man.

734

:

So, and then we talk about it.

735

:

And you spoke a little bit.

736

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You and I chatted while I was

gone a little bit about this.

737

:

And then you wanted you chat a little

bit about at least things have gotten

738

:

better, which in this situation,

when you look at it, like how.

739

:

You spoke a little bit in

terms of the accountability.

740

:

You want to talk a little bit about that?

741

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How I do the accountability

742

:

Chris P. Reed: to tie into where

we're, where we're transitioning from.

743

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We talked about her history and to be

transparent in her, uh, record of mental

744

:

health or whatever the case would be.

745

:

He also happened to have a

history of excessive behavior.

746

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In different police forces to

which he had been fired from,

747

:

Tony Tidbit: was it three times?

748

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I think it was and

749

:

Chris P. Reed: they had released

audio of conversations where, uh,

750

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uh, his former superior said, listen,

you can't keep your liability.

751

:

You're a liability in your actions

as a law enforcement officer.

752

:

Somebody who's in one of these positions

we talked about where you shouldn't

753

:

be this way or present this way.

754

:

We know better and we can't have you

here because you mean us no good.

755

:

And then he could just go get another

job doing this somewhere else that

756

:

there should be a record that travels

kind of like with school, right?

757

:

There should be transcripts that

758

:

Tony Tidbit: follow this

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:

Chris P. Reed: dude.

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:

Tony Tidbit: But to your point earlier,

man, you said it when we were talking

761

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about, you know, the president is not,

um, number one, nobody's so you can, it's

762

:

like this, man, you get fired from a job.

763

:

Okay, legally, they're not, if you

come up with some type of agreement,

764

:

legally, they're not supposed to say

nothing about why they fired you.

765

:

Okay.

766

:

And so you can go and get another job

somewhere else and be, you know, uh, not

767

:

a great performer, the whole nine yards.

768

:

When it comes to, and going

back to your earlier point, when

769

:

it comes to these positions,

okay, that where is the records?

770

:

Are the records being shared?

771

:

Okay.

772

:

About.

773

:

This person's background, who's

coming to be a police officer in your

774

:

force, who's coming to engage with

the community in your area, right?

775

:

Where's the checks and balances

to make sure that this person

776

:

that you're going to hire.

777

:

Not if physically, uh, fits the

bill mentally fits the bill, because

778

:

evidently he didn't that's the issue.

779

:

That's the major issue.

780

:

This person didn't.

781

:

All right.

782

:

And you said something earlier in our

1st segment, but I want to go back to it.

783

:

You said, and I don't I'm paraphrasing.

784

:

You said, hey, we can't

be trying to set quotas.

785

:

All right, to be.

786

:

And so right now in a lot of

the police departments, because

787

:

there's not a lot of people that

signing up to be police officers.

788

:

So they're under the gun.

789

:

And I'm not going to say this

happened with the Springfield police.

790

:

I don't know, but I know a lot

of, a lot of places are having

791

:

a hard time hiring people.

792

:

So they taking chances on people

like this, that's just a fact.

793

:

Okay.

794

:

They're willing to look the other side.

795

:

Well, you know, when he shoot

nobody, he may have stomped them.

796

:

All right.

797

:

Or he may hit him a couple of times

with baton when they asked for a cookie.

798

:

All right.

799

:

Well, you know, he ain't shot nobody yet.

800

:

And we can, we can work that

we can train them out of that.

801

:

Right.

802

:

We can train them out of that.

803

:

And they hire these individuals.

804

:

And, and here's the, my last thing

that I want to hear your point.

805

:

You said the body cam.

806

:

Okay.

807

:

Now, buddy, they fired them.

808

:

They did all these things.

809

:

As soon as the body cam footage came up.

810

:

This was a few weeks earlier.

811

:

Okay.

812

:

And where was number one?

813

:

Where's the partner?

814

:

The partner was there.

815

:

Why didn't the partner say my partner

shot this lady in the face for no reason?

816

:

Where was that?

817

:

Okay.

818

:

There was a total cover up

until the video came out.

819

:

Then they fired him.

820

:

Okay.

821

:

That's the issue.

822

:

There's a million issues here,

but Wait, the partner was there.

823

:

He saw it.

824

:

Where did that go?

825

:

So until we have full account, so

if the video didn't come out, this

826

:

would have been a lady that nobody

would know what happened to her.

827

:

I think they told her family.

828

:

I can't remember exactly what it

was, but they told something that

829

:

she died some other way, right?

830

:

Oh, they said an intruder killed her.

831

:

I could be wrong, but I thought

that's what the narrative was, right?

832

:

When he shot it, where is

the, where was the partner?

833

:

Where's his story?

834

:

Why didn't he come out and

it should be breaking news.

835

:

A police partner, uh, uh, rats,

uh, him out and talked about

836

:

how he killed this, this woman.

837

:

Chris P. Reed: You know, another

way to put it is somebody

838

:

does the right thing, right?

839

:

And so he was raised, right?

840

:

His parents raised him, right.

841

:

And he stood up for what he believed

in, what he signed up for as a person

842

:

to protect and serve our interests.

843

:

The, the, the reality of it is

I'm conflicted, um, in multiple

844

:

ways, but definitely as a

black person, as a girl, dad.

845

:

So many different ways in the fact

that one of the previous arguments

846

:

that we've had on this platform

and that I've heard is, uh, the

847

:

person was put on administrative

leave, barring investigation.

848

:

Um, this was strung out and this person

got a chance to live late life and

849

:

exact a pension or retire, or they

had so many options that they didn't

850

:

afford the victim in the moment.

851

:

And for once this is, and, and, and

I might not be up on this stuff.

852

:

So please forgive me audience,

but for once, this is the

853

:

first time I've heard of.

854

:

Once the stuff came out, the person was

immediately fired, charged with first

855

:

degree, not manslaughter, not something

that could be bargained down or pled down.

856

:

Even George Floyd thing

wasn't first degree.

857

:

This is first degree homicide and

discharge of a weapon and some

858

:

other charges that hopefully they're

going to stick because that would

859

:

just be a horrible situation.

860

:

But in the idea of All the things

that we have been protesting for and

861

:

asking for, which is accountability

and the law to work both ways.

862

:

When they do something wrong,

they get arrested immediately.

863

:

No bond, no bail, no nothing

because of the heinous act.

864

:

That was transmitted against the victim

that all those things did happen.

865

:

Now, I understand the timing of it

because the guy didn't tell on him.

866

:

But if we go past that, when they

knew they did something, and then

867

:

I look up and in Chicago, they

protested and I'm thinking, what

868

:

are we protesting his behavior?

869

:

Like, what are we, if we're not

protesting the fact that you didn't

870

:

catch this beforehand, which is what

we're discussing today, correct.

871

:

The, the, the actions, all you can do as

a society is respond when things occur.

872

:

You can't, it ain't minority.

873

:

It ain't 1984, you know what I'm saying?

874

:

Where we do, uh, mental, you

know, uh, uh, uh, cognition, uh,

875

:

crimes and things of that nature.

876

:

We can't predict when somebody

gonna go left and yeah, pre cry.

877

:

Right, right.

878

:

It's not minority report, but once

it happened, I was proud of the

879

:

state of Illinois, I was proud

of Springfield to make sure that

880

:

this person was put behind bars.

881

:

And held accountable for what he did

to this woman's life and to her family.

882

:

Then when I saw the protest, I was

confused as the message that we're

883

:

actually transmitting from a protest

perspective, because, and I'm just going

884

:

to be very candid here on this platform.

885

:

White folks is like, what

is we supposed to do then?

886

:

Damn, do we dare, do we

do, damn, do we don't.

887

:

You gonna take to these

streets no matter what.

888

:

Tony Tidbit: So I didn't, to be

fair, and you're educating me on some

889

:

stuff that I haven't been privy to.

890

:

So I haven't seen the protest.

891

:

So what are they protesting about?

892

:

Chris P. Reed: So when they went to

Chicago, they were protesting the

893

:

police, this has happened again.

894

:

And we got to come to terms with the fact

that black and brown people are being

895

:

killed arbitrarily by police officer.

896

:

And we're calling them bad apples

when it occurs or rogue agents

897

:

or whatever the case may be.

898

:

But the reality of it is, everything that

the governmental bodies did after the fact

899

:

was actually in line with what we have

been asking for, which is do something.

900

:

Because before, you noticed, Tony, Them

cats was going on administrative leave.

901

:

You will see them on Instagram, you

know, taking this money and going on

902

:

vacation with their families, dropping

their kids off for school and shit.

903

:

Like it was crazy.

904

:

It was crazy.

905

:

If this person had a normal life and

was out on bond, not even a bond, they

906

:

wouldn't even indicted or arrested.

907

:

It was just like, we'll,

we'll see if we can prove that

908

:

what you saw is what you saw.

909

:

And this was a turn of events

where, Hey, you can't pull the

910

:

wool over our eyes anymore.

911

:

This happened and different than with,

um, the girl is in the Louisville.

912

:

I apologize that I can't recall

her name right off hand, but, uh,

913

:

Tony Tidbit: Oh, you're talking

about, uh, Breonna Taylor.

914

:

Chris P. Reed: Breonna Taylor, Breonna

Taylor, Breonna Taylor, it was, it

915

:

was, it was until proven beyond a

shadow of a doubt that they was in

916

:

the wrong, that something actually was

done at that, you know, so the time,

917

:

and you notice from the first 48, once

you get further away from the crime.

918

:

Memories and situations and evidence

starts to be tainted and change a lot.

919

:

Right?

920

:

And so the fact that this was handled

in such a swift manner, I applaud that.

921

:

I am one that will applaud that, but

I don't know what more we could do.

922

:

And I feel like protesting

might have sent a message.

923

:

A message to where no matter what

we go, we're going to have issues.

924

:

So here's

925

:

Tony Tidbit: the thing, bro.

926

:

And I, so number one, I

hear your point of view.

927

:

Um, and, and let me just say this.

928

:

I was on vacation and when I saw

it, I protested, I, I, I don't know

929

:

if you saw it or not, but I did

a quick little, uh, I spoke about

930

:

it and, and it made me feel like.

931

:

People, when we talk about

the police, they don't see

932

:

black people as people, buddy.

933

:

Chris P. Reed: That's correct.

934

:

They don't see us

935

:

Tony Tidbit: as human.

936

:

You shoot a lady in the

face three times, I'm sorry.

937

:

And I don't, and women, you

move over to get a better shot.

938

:

Okay.

939

:

A little woman who you, who you can

see that she's had some mental issues.

940

:

And, and you feel that that, so

that's the part that bugs me is

941

:

that they don't see us as full human

beings, because here's the thing.

942

:

This dude, yeah, he, and

again, he's got a record.

943

:

What other person, what white

person did he shoot in the face?

944

:

Why, what, what other?

945

:

So that, that's my issue is that.

946

:

You know, these things are still

happening and they only, they only

947

:

being exposed because of the video.

948

:

How many things are being, that's

happening on a daily basis around this

949

:

country with, with law enforcement and

people of color that don't, that you may

950

:

not get to murder, but don't get exposed.

951

:

All right.

952

:

I can tell you a quick

story about somebody.

953

:

I'm not going to say his name,

but he's been on this show.

954

:

And he's got a high level

position and he was in his office.

955

:

Okay, in the came in to get some paperwork

and the police officer came in and said,

956

:

get your hands up and blah, blah, blah.

957

:

And this dude and he was trying

to say, hey, I'm a professor here.

958

:

I'm this and I don't and

it was ready to shoot him.

959

:

And finally, the dude saw his I.

960

:

D.

961

:

That he was, he could have been dead

that you don't hear about that on T.

962

:

V.

963

:

He didn't go.

964

:

I mean, he went off and, and, and, and,

and the university, you know, they held

965

:

them accountable and blah, blah, blah.

966

:

But my point is That was body cam.

967

:

There was nobody, you know, we

ain't nobody was protesting him.

968

:

That's a story.

969

:

That's a story that

happened so many times.

970

:

Okay, that we don't even know about

this guy could have got killed

971

:

just being in his own office.

972

:

So, so I don't think I hear your point

and, and yeah, should we say, you know,

973

:

we give them credit for being holding us

accountable, but I'm going to be honest.

974

:

I don't want to get nobody.

975

:

No credit for something.

976

:

That's just cutting dry.

977

:

It's not right.

978

:

That you should be doing all the time.

979

:

I mean, you can't be, it wouldn't

even be that, you know, we, we at

980

:

that level now that we got to be

okay with them doing the right thing.

981

:

No, I, I just, and then

where's the partner?

982

:

See, this is where I go to, are

we talking about the right thing?

983

:

The right thing would have

been forget a body cam.

984

:

The partner came out, talked to eternal

affairs and said, you know what?

985

:

I can't live with this.

986

:

This is what he did.

987

:

Then, in my opinion, we're

moving in the right direction.

988

:

But had no, no body cam came out,

it would have been covered up.

989

:

That's it.

990

:

That's just a fact.

991

:

, it's hard, right?

992

:

Chris P. Reed: Hard because the

blue code, the, the, the brotherhood

993

:

code, the unwritten rules, all that

other stuff that they talk about.

994

:

But, but I'm telling you, Tony,

the theme still resonates here in

995

:

having a master's in psychology.

996

:

They make the test, they make

the test with enough questions

997

:

to where you can discern Yes.

998

:

Is this person Yes, yes.

999

:

Have a predisposition Yes.

:

00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,870

For this type of reaction?

:

00:47:01,870 --> 00:47:02,020

Yes.

:

00:47:02,050 --> 00:47:04,540

Have a predisposition for

the, they make the test.

:

00:47:04,540 --> 00:47:06,970

We have to invest in the test upfront.

:

00:47:07,180 --> 00:47:10,080

Because the cost is too

great to us on the back end.

:

00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:10,500

No,

:

00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:12,570

Tony Tidbit: and you're

100 percent right, buddy.

:

00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:14,320

You're 100 percent right.

:

00:47:14,580 --> 00:47:15,640

Here's the thing, though.

:

00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:17,980

We're running out of time.

:

00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,010

Hey, we do, we do.

:

00:47:22,090 --> 00:47:22,790

You know what I'm saying?

:

00:47:22,799 --> 00:47:26,019

Because we got, we got a few other

things that we got to get into,

:

00:47:26,019 --> 00:47:27,200

but we ain't got time to do them.

:

00:47:28,130 --> 00:47:28,610

All right.

:

00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:30,940

But here's the thing, though, my brother.

:

00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:37,550

You know, um, You know, and, and I,

I don't want to diminish the point

:

00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:42,570

that you made, because to be fair,

we've seen it where they made excuses.

:

00:47:42,570 --> 00:47:44,680

And again, going back to

where we started, right?

:

00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:47,140

They made that, you

know, they made excuses.

:

00:47:47,249 --> 00:47:50,350

Well, he was in the, the, the

hot water was 200 degrees.

:

00:47:51,009 --> 00:47:53,380

So if it fell on him, he

would have disintegrated.

:

00:47:53,410 --> 00:47:53,780

Right?

:

00:47:53,780 --> 00:47:58,100

So he, I know, you know, they

make these excuses, right?

:

00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,560

This time they didn't, I, I just,

I've seen, we've seen so many things

:

00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,820

that's been cut and dry and they

still like, well, you know what,

:

00:48:09,340 --> 00:48:10,840

they're going to get off, right?

:

00:48:11,090 --> 00:48:14,550

And so it just, it just makes

me mad because you know what?

:

00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:17,040

Sonya Massey could have been my mother.

:

00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:18,320

Chris P. Reed: That's right.

:

00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:18,720

Tony Tidbit: Okay.

:

00:48:18,730 --> 00:48:21,670

And I'm not saying that

just to use it as a symbol.

:

00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,840

My mother and she got what we talked

about once an adult, twice a child.

:

00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,340

My mother, when she got older,

she didn't have all her faculties.

:

00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,020

She wasn't 100 percent there all the time.

:

00:48:32,299 --> 00:48:36,030

She could have got mad if the person

didn't go get there quick enough

:

00:48:36,030 --> 00:48:39,930

and say something and this and that

and then she gets shot in the face.

:

00:48:41,145 --> 00:48:42,315

Three times.

:

00:48:43,205 --> 00:48:47,475

All right, that buddy, that's where

we have to, that's where I, I get

:

00:48:47,475 --> 00:48:53,175

upset because when I talk about

humanity, I don't care how off you

:

00:48:53,175 --> 00:48:58,735

are, this is another human being in

front of you and you, you're there

:

00:48:59,025 --> 00:49:04,125

to, she called you to help her.

:

00:49:05,530 --> 00:49:09,940

And that got all, that

was lost, became lost.

:

00:49:10,290 --> 00:49:15,030

So, you know, it, that, that story

really, it is still, it still bugs me.

:

00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:16,620

Chris P. Reed: It does.

:

00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:19,429

But I think Tony, and

I'm big on preaching.

:

00:49:19,470 --> 00:49:21,070

We have to learn to take wins.

:

00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:27,080

Um, and the idea of this is the first

opportunity I'll get in my lifetime

:

00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:32,160

to see the system work in the intended

way that it was supposed to, if this

:

00:49:32,190 --> 00:49:35,995

goes through and he actually gets

convicted and all of the, The things

:

00:49:36,005 --> 00:49:40,595

that are before him actually come to

pass because I'm old enough to be around

:

00:49:40,595 --> 00:49:42,325

and remember when Rodney King happened.

:

00:49:42,805 --> 00:49:48,245

And so think about how many years ago

that was, and I've never, I've never seen

:

00:49:48,765 --> 00:49:51,714

a situation where they acted like this.

:

00:49:51,964 --> 00:49:55,095

And I've seen many situations

where we were brutalized.

:

00:49:55,325 --> 00:49:57,575

I've seen many situations

where we were killed.

:

00:49:57,775 --> 00:50:00,135

I've seen many situations where

they accidentally didn't go for the

:

00:50:00,135 --> 00:50:02,424

taser and went for the gun instead.

:

00:50:03,065 --> 00:50:04,795

And other cops was right there.

:

00:50:04,945 --> 00:50:08,145

Not just one, a multitude

of cops I've seen.

:

00:50:08,175 --> 00:50:10,325

And to the credit of.

:

00:50:10,695 --> 00:50:14,225

Of the situation, I've seen Memphis

that we talked about with Tyree

:

00:50:14,225 --> 00:50:19,355

Nichols, where black officers allow

for each other to act with impunity

:

00:50:19,504 --> 00:50:20,835

and do these types of things.

:

00:50:20,855 --> 00:50:24,484

And didn't nobody came and told

I've seen this and this is the

:

00:50:24,485 --> 00:50:26,615

1st time action has been taken.

:

00:50:27,385 --> 00:50:32,395

As soon as the information was available,

and I'm just going to take this small

:

00:50:32,395 --> 00:50:37,835

win and hope that it cascades into a

new policy going forward that it's okay.

:

00:50:38,170 --> 00:50:39,260

To do the right thing.

:

00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:40,300

Judicial system.

:

00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:42,180

It's okay to do the right thing.

:

00:50:42,210 --> 00:50:44,390

Police law enforcement

system, legal system.

:

00:50:44,715 --> 00:50:47,735

Because up until now, I

don't know if it works,

:

00:50:47,785 --> 00:50:48,005

Tony Tidbit: right?

:

00:50:48,045 --> 00:50:50,605

Chris P. Reed: No example

before me has shown me if

:

00:50:50,605 --> 00:50:51,825

police can be held accountable.

:

00:50:51,855 --> 00:50:52,665

Tony Tidbit: Right, right.

:

00:50:52,775 --> 00:50:56,365

So what we're going to do,

because I'm going to use what

:

00:50:56,365 --> 00:50:57,594

you just got finished saying.

:

00:50:57,825 --> 00:51:00,924

And I'm, I'm, I'm talking to

the third person when you said,

:

00:51:01,205 --> 00:51:03,744

I've seen, I've seen, I've seen.

:

00:51:03,805 --> 00:51:03,985

Yeah.

:

00:51:03,994 --> 00:51:04,394

Okay.

:

00:51:04,395 --> 00:51:06,115

So we're going to play this clip.

:

00:51:06,835 --> 00:51:11,425

Um, so you can see, so everybody

can see about how this white woman

:

00:51:11,735 --> 00:51:14,464

walks in to the police station.

:

00:51:15,025 --> 00:51:17,245

In Bristol, Connecticut with a gun.

:

00:51:18,185 --> 00:51:18,645

Okay.

:

00:51:18,715 --> 00:51:23,755

With a gun and start shooting

in the police station with a gun

:

00:51:24,355 --> 00:51:26,635

and let's see how they treat her.

:

00:51:26,885 --> 00:51:27,385

All right.

:

00:51:27,965 --> 00:51:28,345

All right.

:

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Let's watch it.

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News Reporter: A woman was caught

on camera firing a gun inside

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a Connecticut police station.

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Surveillance video shows a 51 year

old woman entering the lobby of the

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Bristol police department appearing

to have a gun aimed at her head.

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She knocks on the front desk window with

her left hand, with a gun in her right.

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After banging on the window several times,

the woman shoots into a door, then towards

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the front desk, according to police.

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The bullet resistant

glass did not shatter.

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After firing, she removed her

jacket and took a seat in the lobby.

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More shots were fired towards a door

where authorities say police officers

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were attempting to enter the lobby.

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Officers used a taser

to subdue the shooter.

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The shooter was taken to the

hospital for evaluation and was

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later released to authorities.

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She was charged with several

offenses, including attempted

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murder with special circumstances.

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So what's

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Tony Tidbit: your

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News Reporter: thoughts on

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Tony Tidbit: that?

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My man,

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Chris P. Reed: you know, is what back

to close your eyes, close your eyes.

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I mean, they came out, she

had take off the jacket.

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She got relaxed.

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She was exercising her rights as

a citizen to do whatever she just

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did to the fullest of its extent.

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I mean, and the, the reaction of

the, when deescalate, that was a

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shining example of the aptitude.

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To not take it

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Tony Tidbit: to the worst level.

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They did everything that they

could not to kill this woman.

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Okay.

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And then what did they do?

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They tased her.

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Okay.

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She got tased.

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And then a few days later, where was she?

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In court.

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All right.

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So, so they did everything.

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And, and look, I applaud

them for doing that.

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Right?

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We do.

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I'm not saying they

should have blasted her.

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I'm not saying.

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That's what you should do.

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You try, try.

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Every, uh, a mechanism in your power to

make sure that there's not a loss of life.

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All right, but when it comes to

people call it that doesn't happen.

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It just buddy.

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Come on.

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Let's be fair now So that's why I get

upset right when I see how they did

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the right thing For this lady who was

going through some mental issues, okay?

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She even told somebody at the bar she

was at, I'm going to shoot a police

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station, and went right there and did it.

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All right, banged on the window

the whole nine yards, right?

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And then sat back, smoked

a cigarette, right?

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After she shot a few times.

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And they did everything under

their power to not kill her.

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And so I applaud them for doing that,

but that should be the way that should

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be standard operating procedure.

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Okay.

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With all people.

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Right.

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And that's why I get upset, my brother.

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Chris P. Reed: And it's, it's, it's

unfair and unequal in so many instances,

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but I do believe that there has

to be a universal, um, excitement.

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When the system works the way in which

it was intended and as much as I hate

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that I knew that that person had to when

I heard the story, I was like, oh, easy.

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That's easy.

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But I know what I know

exactly what happened here.

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I don't I don't need to kind

of see it, you know, play out.

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But but the reality of it was,

I like, like you said, I applaud

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the officers that were involved.

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I applaud the way in which they

were trained and them activating

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the training in such a way.

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But I applaud the opportunity to

deescalate and it being exacted to where

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that woman and her children still have

her in the family today, because if

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she, she absolutely posed a threat, they

didn't know if she had more than one

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gun, they knew that shots were fired.

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There was a discharge of firearm

of a public place in a, in a

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precinct, all these other things.

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It wasn't hot water.

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Like when you juxtapose these things.

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That's my point.

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It's more re it wasn't hot water.

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More re

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Tony Tidbit: I mean, just way

more re that exactly Brother.

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Look, we gonna have to leave it there.

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Okay.

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Oh yeah.

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Um, and, and

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Chris P. Reed: once again,

thank God for the video because

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I wouldn't have believed it.

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I wouldn't have believed story when you,

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Tony Tidbit: ain't nobody come in,

no woman came in there shooting

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a, a gun in a police station.

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Left, left, left, breathing right, left,

left breathing, and then left breathing.

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Right.

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And then was in court a couple of days

later where she had a defense attorney,

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you know, take it up for, well, you

know, she has three kids and, you

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know, and she, one of the kids got down

syndrome and she's really stressed out.

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All right.

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So listen, we hope number one,

I want to thank my brother.

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Chris P.

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Reed the co host with the most.

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So we thank you for tuning into another

episode of A Black Executive Perspective

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Podcast with Chris Reed and myself

talk about BEP's insights on the latest

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events and headlines that happened in

the U S and we're going to continue

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to do this every couple of weeks.

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We're going to, you know, talk

about the things that's going on

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and give you our points of view.

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But now I think it's time for what?

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Tony's Tidbit.

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All right.

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And the tidbit today is, you

know, each event holds a lesson.

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Discussions aim to reveal these lessons.

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Foster a deeper understanding

to inspire action and awareness

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in our ever evolving world.

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And that's why we talk about these

things, because at the end of the

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day, we want to bring them to light.

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We want to learn from them.

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And then more importantly, hope,

hopefully we can see change and

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inspire some people to do the same.

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To make these things better and

these, this is why you need to

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continue to have these conversations

with your friends and family.

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And look, not everybody's

going to agree that is fine.

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Chris and I, as you can see here

disagreed on a couple of things, right?

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But guess what?

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It's all about discussion and what

we can learn from one another.

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So let's make sure that we do that.

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And then also we want to make sure that,

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This is where Dr.

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Burton dives into timely and crucial

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today, but she's so much deeper,

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so much more in depth to these things.

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Exactly.

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So again, I hope you enjoyed

our episode, BEP insights,

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navigating today's top headlines.

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Chris P. Reed: And then don't forget.

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Our call to action to

incorporate less L E S S.

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Make sure that wherever you can, you

learn, empathize, share, and stop.

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The L is for learn.

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Educate yourself on racial and cultural

nuances that you can apply to your

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life and help others around you.

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Tony Tidbit: Exactly, Chris.

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And the E stands for empathy.

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Once you've learned, now you

should be more empathetic to

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your brother and sister and other

people that fall within your path.

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And

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Chris P. Reed: then the

first S is for share.

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Share your insights.

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And enlighten others.

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Don't hide it.

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Divide it.

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Because these type of dialogues,

these type of conversations are the

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only way we can grow collectively.

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Tony Tidbit: And then the final S, and

this is something everybody can do.

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We want to stop.

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S stands for stop.

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To stop discrimination as

it comes into your path.

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So in other words, if grandma says

something at the Thanksgiving table

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that's inappropriate, you say,

grandma, we don't believe in that.

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And you stop it right

in there in your tracks.

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And by doing this, you're

going to help us build a more.

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Understanding and fair world.

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And guess what?

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We'll be able to see the

change that we all want to see.

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So remember less because less equals more.

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