Air Force first. PA school second.

Travis Laverne is a second-year PA student at Drexel, and his time in the United States Air Force is what pointed him toward medicine in the first place. Getting from there to here took a lot of research and a lot of prereq coursework, and he did it while supporting a family.

That's the part I want you to hear. Travis was juggling family, work, and school at the same time, and what made it work wasn't superhuman effort. It was communication with the people around him and being ruthless about how he used his time. If you're a non-traditional applicant wondering whether this is doable with real responsibilities, he's proof.

He also got elected class president, which changed how he experienced the program and connected him to his classmates in a different way.

What we cover:

• How his Air Force experience led him toward medicine
• Researching programs and mapping out prerequisites
• Balancing family, work, and a PA program
• Communication and time management that actually held up
• Serving as class president at Drexel
• Advice for non-traditional applicants

Resources:

Free Application Timeline: https://www.thepaplatform.com/services/free-application-timeline

CASPA GPA Calculator: https://www.thepaplatform.com/pa-school-caspa-gpa-calculator

PA Program Map: https://www.thepaplatform.com/pa-platform-map

Pre-PA Counseling: https://www.thepaplatform.com/services/pre-pa-counseling

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So, you know, I love connecting with people from Instagram and different places, and that's what I got to do today in talking with Travis Laverne, who is a current PA student and someone that I actually worked with a long time ago with mock interviews.

So we have a great conversation about his military background and how that helped him with his journey to becoming a pa. And he's the class president, so he's a big deal.

Welcome to the Pre PA Club Podcast.

If you want to learn how to become a physician assistant, you're in the right place.

I'm your host, Savannah Perry.

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All right.

All right, so my name is Travis Laverne.

I'm a second year PA student at Drexler University.

I'm currently in clinical rotations in my fifth clinical rotation and obgyn, which like many of the people across the country right now is on a bit of a delay and hold for the time being, but that should hopefully be starting back up on the 20th.

And then also I'm currently the class president for our class as well.

So.

Interesting role, fun role.

Yeah.

Okay, so we'll definitely get to that because I have my personal thoughts on being an Officer in your class, but what kind of brought you to the PA profession?

Give us a little bit about your background.

Yeah, so it's, it was, it's pretty non traditional.

I was in the United States Air Force, active duty for 13 years before I separated and started PA school.

I always kind of had an interest in medicine.

I thought it was really cool.

I mean, I've always been attracted to like the high ops tempo type careers and a lot of responsibility and do really well under pressure.

So, you know, that, that side of medicine always interests me.

But I just was kind of a knucklehead in high school and just didn't have the patience to kind of get through school.

So I went to military route and I loved it.

Right.

I was really high speed.

I traveled the world.

I was exposed to a lot of PAs in the military because that's pretty much the main providers that we see in our clinics.

So I was kind of familiar with the career field, but I really didn't start investigating it until probably about 10 years into the Air Force.

My wife and I, we would sit down at night and I would watch those untold stories at the er and I would just get so hooked.

And I'd watch them religiously every night I could.

And I would always just try to figure out what was going on with the patients.

And she just kind of questioned me on.

It was like, why don't you ever get into medicine?

And that's kind of what kicked it off.

And then I just started doing more research.

And the more research I did, the more the fire got lit.

And I started reaching out to some PAs and some friends that I knew and I started doing some shadowing and the rest is history.

That's awesome.

Okay, so you had.

Yeah, I mean, I'd call that non traditional.

So kind of switch, switched paths, but always had the interest there had nothing.

To do with medicine.

I was, I, you know, operated the jet engine testing facilities for the F22.

So I was just straight type maintenance stuff, no medical background prior to that.

So it was kind of a big jump.

So when you made the decision, okay, you know, this is something I want to do, I'm going to pursue paper.

What did kind of practically that transition look like?

So I really had to, I started doing a lot of research and trying to figure out like kind of carving out a path as to what it would take.

And I, you know, I had my bachelor's degree and I had just finished my master's degree in management when I started.

And so I had no prerequisite type.

I didn't have any of my core science courses or anything like that.

So I was really having to carve that roadmap out once I kind of did that.

And I mean, this was probably over a course of six to eight months that I was doing this and shadowing and talking to PAs.

I had a good idea of what I needed to get done, like school wise.

And that was my main focus, was just getting the prerequisites done.

And then once I got closer, probably halfway through those, I started getting my shadowing hours.

And we can talk about what I did there.

But the more courses I took, I just started to get more and more interested.

I mean, I loved anatomy, you know, I just, I love biology.

Like, so I was like, oh yeah, this is definitely my path.

And then I started volunteering, you know, emergency room.

And then I got a job scribe.

And then I ended evenings.

And that was kind of hard because I was active duty Air Force, so I had to work my, you know, eight to five morning job.

And then I would come home and then, you know, hit to the head to the emergency room for like a 10pm to like 2 or 3am shift, you know, three days a week just to try to like get those hours and that experience all while married and a baby.

Oh gosh, it's a lot.

But that's kind of how it was.

And I did that for probably.

It took me about three and a half years actually to get through all my prerequisites and build up a decent amount of hours to where I had to like make that decision.

Like, was I going to apply to VA school and separated the Air Force or.

Because another interesting component of it was I had to time it right because active, when you're in the military, you have a, like a contract that you're bounded by.

And with the Air Force it was four to six years.

So I had to almost time it right to where my contract was going to expire and I could hit the application cycle and I was short a couple months, so I actually had to.

I had to make the decision to leave the Air Force before even applying to PA school.

Now, in 13 years in the military, I don't know if you're familiar with it, but at 20 years you can retire.

You know, I would have been 37 years old with a pension.

So that was a tough decision, especially.

Yeah, that is tough.

Oh, okay, that's.

That's like a faith leap there.

Big faith leap.

Okay, so you decided, like, I'm gonna go for it.

I'M gonna apply to PA school.

What did applying look like for you?

What were you looking for in programs and kind of.

How'd that go?

Yeah.

So, you know, with the way I had my life structured, I was married, you know, a couple years married, and I had a baby.

We really had to look for something that was going to support us, not only financially, with using, like, the GI Bill stuff, but my wife's family was in New Jersey, and so with a baby, and, you know, she's a high school teacher, so she has a pretty good job for it, but we also need to be around family for, like, support.

Right.

That was gonna.

I knew that was.

I knew PA School from everything I heard was very demanding.

And, you know, we weren't gonna be able to do it alone.

So I looked at programs, and fortunately, in the New Jersey, Philadelphia area, there's a good amount of programs compared to, like, the rest of the nation for applications to apply to.

So it kind of served us well.

And in the midst of doing that investigation, I found out that a couple of the programs not only accepted the GI Bill, but they offered what's called, like, the Yellow Ribbon program, which kind of adds to that.

And Drexel was 100% yellow ribbon program, so that was definitely my top school.

But that's kind of what it looked like for my application once I got that done.

Actually, you know what, Let me go back a little bit, Savannah, because before I was even able to apply, like I said, I had a couple months where the application cycle hadn't opened up yet.

So I got a job, fortunately, through resources and, like, you know, asking friends and family at the hospital, University of Pennsylvania, as a clinical research coordinator in cardiac surgery.

And I think that is what really propelled, you know, me to being able to get, you know, at least a couple looks at my application from having such a non traditional background, because it really exposed me to a lot of really cool medicine and a lot of, like, you know, my letters of recommendation and stuff came from there.

So I think that helped out a lot.

So I did that for a couple months, and then I was able to put everything.

Okay, so you had a good variety on your application of just experience, which is always a good thing.

Yeah, quite a bit.

Yeah.

So how many schools did you apply to total?

So I did five schools total, and I got interviews at all of them, but I only attended Drexel's because that was the first one I got.

And Drexel, out of all the programs, was going to Drexel with the Yellow ribbon.

Program in GI Bill.

Drexel's program pays for 100% of my tuition.

So that was definitely kind of a no brainer.

Once I got the acceptance for there, I was kind of, I was signed.

On the dot, good to go.

Yeah, my program has had the yellow Ribbon program, so we had a couple of vets come in to my school.

So can you talk a little bit about like what that means and I guess who qualifies maybe for the GI Bill, like what it would take?

Yeah, sure.

So the GI Bill is a, it's a, it's a program that you know, if you serve, I think active duty, I can speak from the active duty side, I don't really.

The reserve and guard side, I'm not really too familiar with.

But from the active duty side, if you serve at least three and a half years active duty, you can take, you know, you can get the benefit of the GI Bill.

You have to pay into it for at least a year.

I think it was like when I did it was like a hundred or some so odd dollars a month out of your paycheck for a year and then you serve three and a half years.

And once you had that three and a half years secured active duty time, you had access to those GI bill benefits.

And the cool thing about the GI bill benefits is that it pays 100%.

It pays up to 38 months of education, 100% of your in state tuition for a state college.

Unfortunately a lot of the PA programs were at private universities, so it would only pay up to a certain percentage.

I think at the time when I had looked, it was like $19,000 or something like that annually.

It's what it would give you.

But if that college had a yellow ribbon program, which was kind of like the college acknowledging like their veteran friendly, they would match the GI Bill contribution, which is pretty significant.

Wow.

So that's what's able to get you to like pay for all of your tuition.

And, and it's really stipulated by like the different universities.

Like some universities will say we're going to, you know, accept 5% of the student population that are veterans will give them an allocated amount.

And that varies too.

I think some of the programs that I applied to would give you like $2,500 for the year, some would give you 10,000.

Drexel would, would match exactly what the GI, they'd make sure 100% was covered matter what.

And another really cool thing was you had to look and see, you know, what percentage of students could get this benefit.

Drexel if you're a veteran, you get it no matter what.

And it's not even an application process.

You pretty much, you know, you contact the VA department for the school, and they kind of do all the paperwork for you.

And it's really easy process, almost too easy.

I always find myself calling to make sure it went through.

But the schools mainly accept, like, you know, 15, 20 students a year, so you really have to kind of look into it and contact the departments to see.

It's very specific for the university, but, yeah, it's a phenomenal benefit.

And in addition to the tuition, they pay you a housing allowance for the zip code of the college.

So, you know, I think Philadelphia, it's like $2,500 a month on top of them paying your tuition.

I think that books.

Books.

So it's, It's.

It's definitely a pinch yourself kind of, like, benefit.

That's pretty cool.

Definitely worth taking advantage of.

Wow, that is.

Yeah, that's really cool.

Probably not something that.

That enough people use or.

Yeah, I would agree.

Really, you got to really understand how it works for you.

Because, I mean, you know, a lot of, like, the, the really, like some people that I knew took advantage of the GI Bill in, like, their yellow ribbon program for, like, their associate's degree, which is great, but, you know, in comparison, if I would have used it all up during my associate's degree, you know, that would have cost me probably, I don't know, 20, $30,000.

Whereas, you know, I use it later in my career for, like, a graduate professional degree.

And, you know, it's going a lot further.

It's.

Yeah.

So really understanding how it works and how you can implement that is really good.

And a lot of those VA reps at the colleges are very well versed in that.

So if anybody has, you know, that benefit available to them, I would highly suggest that they reach out to that department, figure out what's available.

No, and I think there are.

At one point, I spoke with a PA at Duke who was trying to really advocate for veterans going into PA school.

And so if anyone has questions, I can get you his contact info, because he was working one on one with veterans to try to help them, coaching them through.

Yeah.

Which was really cool.

So.

Yeah.

All right, so then you went to PA school.

How's that been?

Good.

Bad.

What you expected?

Yeah, I had gotten in really early, so, like, my interview was one of the first groups of interviews.

So I waited a little over a year before I had started back before I started school.

So I continued to work at Penn.

You know, it was just kind of like sitting here like, all right, I got in.

Now what do I do?

I just waited here.

So it was kind of an interesting year, but yeah, so I was in.

Yeah.

So you decide to run for class president?

I don't know in mind it was unopposed, but yeah, so I really wasn't.

The way our class did it, I guess you could nominate yourself.

I had no intentions to do it because I'll be honest with you.

Like that first quarter, and we did it the first quarter of PA school too.

We're in a quarter system versus the regular semester.

And like, that's when they really hit you.

Like your eyes get really open.

You're really getting blasted.

I mean, you know, so the anatomy stuff is just crazy and you're just kind of adapting and I was commuting from New Jersey to Philadelphia every day on the train.

And that was new to me.

So I was like, there is no way I'm taking anything else on.

You know, I have a family at home.

Like, my wife will kill me if I do this.

Like, and like I said, I'm always seeking out like the next greatest thing.

So like down inside I'm like, huh?

But I was like, no, I gotta stay away.

But I ended up getting nominated by a couple of the members in my class.

And I kind of sat on it, I really didn't say anything.

And I started thinking like, if somebody had enough, like, you know, they went out of their way and, you know, saw something in me and nominated me to do that for the class.

And like, at least I could do is stand up in front of the class and make a five minute speech, you know, and I.

Next thing you know, I got elected.

And so that was kind of.

I took it on from there.

And I'll tell you, it's probably.

I'm really glad I did it because that first quarter was like, I wasn't fully bought in.

I think because I had my wife and kid at home.

I was commuting, I was struggling, you know, I was tired.

But then when I took on that little bit of extra responsibility and was kind of like a representative for the class, like, I just shifted gears and it was like I had to really, like I was bought in.

And then everything started getting better.

So I think it really saved my.

At least that first quarter for sure.

To help to connect a little better.

How big is your class?

We started, I think, because there was a couple that had Drexel's kind of got a reputation for like, you know, a pretty high like retrition rate for like that first quarter for like anatomy and stuff.

So I think we had like six or seven students from the previous year finished like tacked on with us to go through anatomy again.

And I think we're like at 82 to 84.

Oh, that's big.

Okay.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah, that's large.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, we were at 44.

And I think I've said it on here before, but I actually regret not running for president.

Just, I mean, I don't know, like in our class it was a pretty important role and it's something I like thought about, but I didn't end up doing it.

And then there were times throughout the program where I kind of wished I had, so.

But yeah, but I know it's.

It can be a tough job for.

Sure, but I think like I said it really like had me buy in.

And then it's, you know, you can really do a lot of good in that position, especially for a lot of students.

Especially like, because I mean one thing is communication between like faculty and students.

And then students have issues and you know, you really have an opportunity to like bring the class together and really make it unique and kind of, you know, each class as they go through has their like, footprint and you know, there's so many smart people in the class and like the pa, that's one thing that's so great about the profession.

It attracts like these great minds and like just being able to kind of like steer that like, you know, ship a little bit and kind of like engage people and like get good ideas from the class and implement.

I mean it runs, it's a self running machine.

Like our class is great because of that.

Yeah, you just got to empower people and you empower the right people and cool things happen.

So that's why the position is really fun.

Yeah.

And you see, you seem like someone who would be very easy to like come to and.

Yeah.

Receptive to class issues.

Yeah.

Kind of just going through a lot like in life and a little bit like life experience.

Helped out a ton.

Yeah.

You know, it takes a lot to like really like shake me up just because, you know, deployments and stuff like that.

So it's.

You weather the storm, natural fit.

There you go.

All right.

So you said you struggled a little bit at the beginning of PA school, which is normal.

Everyone does.

How long did it take you to kind of feel like find your groove and what works best for you and routine wise,.

It probably took me, I mean, to be honest, like, I think that whole first quarter was pretty messy for me.

And that was 10 weeks.

But I would say probably, like, weeks, six, five, six.

I kind of had figured out because prior to that, like, I didn't want to change things, too, because you have all these recommendations from people, like, what not to do.

You know, don't wait too long before you change something.

Like, change it right away.

You know, like, don't get stuck in your ways.

Like, always ask for help.

And that's not something I did either, because, I mean, like, you know, my GPA was really good.

I did really good.

And, like, ace anatomy prior to this.

So I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll be fine.

I'll be fine.

And it's not.

It's a lot.

It's different.

And, like, I remember my first exam.

I literally failed my first exam, like, bad.

And I'm like, whoa, wake up.

And.

Yeah, and I was like, I was upset.

I was doing everything I could, and that's what I was doing.

I was doing too much, and I just wasn't retaining it.

And then, you know, you get competitive with other people, and you want to know, why is nobody else failing like this?

But they really are just.

Nobody's really opening up about it, which is another thing I found out.

But, I mean, I think it probably took me that first quarter to kind of get my confidence back up and kind of get in the groove.

It was a little bit harder for me, too, because I had a lot of things going on back home, too, trying to take care of the baby.

So that was hard.

But it probably took me at least six to eight weeks to feel like I had this.

You know, once I started, you know, once that second exam came back and I was good and things were getting better and I was improving, I knew I was doing the right thing.

I just had to just do it a little bit better.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah.

Do you have any tips on balancing, like, because this is a question I get a lot that I can't speak to because I wasn't in this position.

But having a family and kind of established separation during PA school, like, how have you found to.

I know I don't believe in balance.

Like, I don't think everything will be ever be completely balanced.

But how have you made that work with your family?

I think that's what you just said there, like, is.

You nail it once you figure out that, like, there will not be a balance and there can't be.

And, like, you know, a lot of people, and especially I Mean, in my situation, like, once again, it took me three and a half years to get to this point.

So, like, we were.

We knew what was kind of coming.

I mean, we thought we knew, right?

Once you're in it, you're like, oh, we have no idea what this is going to be like.

But we kind of thought we knew what we were getting into.

But the.

The best thing that I found out was, like, I.

Once I figured out kind of what we were in, like, how difficult this was going to be, like, I sat down with my wife and we, like, really went over, like, how hard this was going to be and just kind of like, I showed her everything.

Like, no one will ever really ever understand it until they're in it as much as you try.

But, like, I showed her, like, all the assignments.

I would do things that we were expected to learn and, like, what I had to do.

And then I carved out, we had a family calendar.

And, like, as long as I was buried on top of that calendar, and I showed, like, where my study time was going to be or, like, if I needed to come home, just lock myself in the office.

And she could visually see that, like, it made things better versus me saying, like, I'm going upstairs to study, you know, and she was like, wanted to watch a movie or something.

But as long as I was, like, the week or two ahead of her and, like, I could put what I needed to get done that week, it was okay.

Now it was still hard, very hard.

And I kept promising to her it would get better in, you know, clinicals, and it has.

And she bought.

She believes me.

So she hung in.

She hung in there.

Okay.

It goes quick.

It does go quick.

Honest, and just rolling with the punches and know there's going to be hard times.

No, it's.

Don't expect a balance and communicate as best as you can.

And there's going to be days where you're frustrated and stressed out, and they're frustrated and stressed out.

And to be honest with you, there's days that I had to, like, close my computer and just say, you know, I have to.

I'm going to do my best, and that's all I can do.

You don't, don't.

I might not get an A on this exam and be okay with that because you have other things going on.

I mean, I still remember to this one day, like, I heard, because I have two children, we ended up having a son, a second son later on.

And I remember he was calling, I was upstairs in the office, and he was Calling my name.

And my oldest goes, daddy doesn't live here anymore, Luke.

Because he hadn't seen me.

And like, that was it, like, closed the computer, went downstairs and like, broke my heart, right?

And I was like, never again.

So, like, once I got better, into what I.

You start learning what the exams are like and what you're expected of and how far you can push yourself.

I set a limit.

Like, I was never studying past 10 o'.

Clock.

Like, if there were certain days, I wouldn't study and, you know, my weekends, I'd maximize my weekends.

I didn't really study through my weekends.

I studied through the week.

So I had my weekends with the family.

That was another big thing that helped a lot.

But yeah, yeah, it wasn't perfect, but.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Get through it.

No, that.

That is.

That is hard.

And I mean, I was living at home with my parents, and they were great, but they also, like, didn't quite understand.

And then my fiance was in med school, so like, we would see each other once a week for a study date, you know, it was just.

That's all we had.

My thing, I remember is one day I was sitting at the dining room table and I was just like, lot going on, lots of tests.

This was kind of that first semester.

And I just like broke down in tears.

And my dad walked in and he was like, what is wrong with you?

What's wrong?

And I was like, I'm fine.

I just am having a moment.

Like, he went and got my mom and I was like, I'm like.

And she was like, she's good, she's good.

Just let her.

Let her be.

She's good because she.

I mean, she understood.

So those things happen and you just move on.

And.

Yeah, I remember being in the library and seeing like, things carved in desk that was like, we will get through this quarter.

You know, like, just be like, you know, like, everyone goes through it.

Yeah, it's madness.

It's.

Yeah, it's very interesting.

But yeah, kudos to you for.

For handling all that.

That's what I mean.

You do it.

You just make it happen.

But, like, I can't imagine.

So we're here and the quarters go by pretty quick after that first quarter is flying.

Yeah, it really does.

All right.

So clinicals, how have those been?

They've been awesome.

Like, it's.

That's the fun part.

Yeah.

Like, totally new world, totally cool.

You know, I definitely.

And I thought I was going to thrive better in the clinical realm versus, like the.

Didactic realm.

I did pretty well in didactic but clinical.

Like, I just.

I just.

Because that's kind of.

I'm a people type person and I like interacting and getting my hands on.

And it's been everything that I thought, maybe even more actually.

So it's been.

It's been pretty awesome.

That's great.

Do you have any idea kind of where you want to end up or what?

I love surgery.

Yeah.

And I kind of was in that, you know, at hup, and, you know, I'd really like to get back into it.

The hours are really long.

Yeah.

And that's kind of like the cell that I'm working on right now with the wife.

So we'll see.

Emergency medicine or surgery is definitely what I enjoy.

Your derm has some surgery in it.

Just throwing it out there.

You know what's interesting is my pediatric rotation, actually.

The preceptor owned a medical spa and his brother is a plastic surgeon and he works in the office below.

So, like, I do peds during the day and then like, in the late afternoons and evenings, I work downstairs doing, like, lips and Botox and like, doing all sorts of stuff.

So I don't know.

You know, maybe there's a little plastic surgery slash derm thing, slash pediatrics.

I don't know.

We'll see.

Yeah, it's not quite the same as an or.

I love the or too.

So I'm with you.

Yeah.

Something cool about it.

That's great.

Well, thank you so much.

Is there anywhere where people can find you or find out more information about stuff or.

Yeah, I mean, they can check me out on Instagram.

I'm like a rookie at Instagram right now.

It's mainly just been like, kids and stuff that I've been posting since I've been stuck at home the past couple days.

I don't even really know what my name is.

Let's see.

Tj Laverne on Instagram.

Or they can just.

They can shoot me an email, too.

Okay.

Do you have my email?

Yeah.

They can reach out to me if they have questions and we'll get you in touch.

But yeah, for sure.

Awesome.

Thanks so much.

Thanks, Savannah.