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This is no halos here hosted by Jen Lang and Jane

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Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of no

halos here with Jen Lang and Jane Stark. Whoo. We're happy.

I know you're booted again.

I read it again. It's so funny two weeks in a row.

I've never heard you boot other than

last week.

Last weekend today. We talk a lot. I've never heard

the boot. I know what I was thinking to boot up. It's

maybe it's because I'm doing more singing. Maybe

interfaculty it. So today, we've got kind of a special episode,

we want to give you a little bit of behind the scenes in the

world of Jen and Jane.

Yeah, we were talking about we have lots of

different topics outlined. And oftentimes, so let's let's dive

right into behind the scenes. Yeah, oftentimes, when Jen and I

are going to record, we have a list of topics. But we for us

feel like we really need to be in the moment. And we need to

feel the energy of what we want to talk about. And so it's an

oftentimes, we'll be chatting earlier in the week, we record

on Thursdays, and we'll be chatting earlier in the weekend,

like, Oh, we got to bring this to the podcast. And then I find

we get to Thursday to our recording day. And I'm like, oh,

okay, the energy of that topic is not here right now. So then

we kind of go through and we're like, okay, like, what feels

juicy or what feels like relatively like for now. And so

that's kind of how we came to where we're at today where none

of the topics that we kind of had felt, right? And then we're

like, why don't we just give a little bit of a behind the

scenes and a share as to what's going on for us in our lives and

how this energy is landing for us right now.

And also some of the tools that we use. So yeah, it

basically came out of while Jane and I were talking and trying to

figure out a topic, I sort of shuffled one of my tarot decks.

And I was like, oh, but you know what, maybe this didn't just

give us a little bit of a boost or a little bit of guidance as

to what we want to bring to you all of you today. And the card

that popped out was the Eight of Pentacles. From and this is from

the light Sears Tarot by krisanne. And basically, the

card is a picture of a woman sitting on an office type chair.

And there in front of her, she's holding a candle. And then in

front of her all these different things. So there's different

bowls of things. There's paperwork, there's books,

there's another candle, there's a feather and plant and all this

kind of stuff. So just I was like It felt really reflective

of what each of us has going on right now. For Jane and I and

also the the eight Pentacles above are also represented as

cycles of the moon. So there's two aspects to bring in. And as

both we've just come off this really big full moon and Leo

Jana and I both had, I'm going to say different but similar

different experiences, but similar realizations. Out of

this Full Moon energy

would be often the case for us. Yes, definitely.

Very, I mean it. I always find that fascinating with us and our

relationship to because we live fairly different lives. But yet

we have a lot of similar themes play out

in very different ways. Yeah. So yeah. And but

always providing experiences for growth. And then we can talk

about it with each other. And yeah, you know,

through amazing,

I love it. Me too.

So why don't we just kind of make this like, let's

just dive in and chat a little bit about what's going on for

us. So, like, what's kind of going on with the big picture of

life for you right now and some of the themes that you're seeing

play out.

So I think some of the big picture themes that I'm

seeing play out is for me an old habit around over scheduling

myself. And this has been a I'm gonna say, an adulthood lifelong

habit or pattern that's come out of overachievement and being

busy. A lot of I was definitely where the busy badge of honor

from university onwards. And it was this. I think it grew out of

this needing to both prove aspects of self like working

hard doing full time courses and how Been holding a part time job

while at university. And then, you know, getting into music

later on in life and the demands of that schedule of working part

time and studying music. full time, part time. That's

definitely big. So for this week, it's been this multitude

of activities. And I've definitely I definitely take

pride in my multi passionate nature and my interest across

all many, many topics. I'm very curious, constantly curious on

my own. Why that is. And I wonder why that is. And even

walking the dogs in the morning. I'm just like, why that plant is

doing that right now? What is it about that location, you know,

just the always wondering and inquisitive mind piece. So I

think that also partly leads to the overscheduling. But then I

also need to read, I think, be more respectful of my energy

levels. And some of this came in an earlier conversation that

Jane and I had around, it was a little bit about boundaries, but

it was related to my schedule, where when I'm working with my

calendar, and my schedule, I'm conscious about time and energy

and blocking off time and space. But it's in the moments where

someone asks for, say, a reschedule or a, you know, like,

Hey, can we just move this here? Or I think in your case, Janet

was like, Do you have time for five minute chat? Those types of

conversations that leak into our day to day lives, but ended up

end up costing you more energetically than just that

five minute conversation? Yeah, that's what's happening for me

right now.

Another one that I noticed for me, is, is the

device. And I don't want to go down the rabbit like, yeah, not

going on the path of talking about boundaries and devices,

specifically, but I also noticed that that's a leaky boundary for

me where, you know, if I have like, say, two hours where I

don't have calls or meetings in the afternoon, and I'm like,

Okay, I'm gonna take that time I need to eat, I maybe need to

rest or do a quick workout or stretch or something. And then

all of a sudden, you know, my phone dings. And then I've just

spent 10 minutes, you know, because then that puts me on to

my phone, which then I'm like, I'll check my email quickly, or

I'll check this. And then, like that leaky boundary, too. And

then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, half an hour is gone of my

two hours that I had. Yeah. So sorry, to go back to this for

you. That's what's been really,

I think that's just what's been coming up and

showing up. And what's interesting is that I've taken

out a couple of activities in the past couple of months that

have met, my evenings are more free now. And I'm really

enjoying that I'm really, really enjoying that. Because before,

like, I would work. And then I would have an activity three,

sometimes four nights a week. And I think up until September,

I was doing karate three or four times a week, either mornings or

evenings. And it just became, just became too much on the

schedule. And I wasn't now that I know what it's like to like,

oh, I can just be home and Kirk and I can like watch a show

together. Or we'll have dinner and cook dinner together, which

we didn't have as much time for before. So that's part of that

leaky boundary piece. Then what else is unfolding? It's, I'm

seeing this unfold a bit with clients with some clients

around. Not like allowing their practices that keep them

centered and grounded to also leak or fall away. I've seen

that really cool this week. Yeah. So the stuff that and

you've seen it too, this week? Yeah,

me too. Yeah. Well, I was saying to you the other

day, I've noticed that I, I am being very conscious, or having

to be very conscious about keeping them in and doing them.

And I'm in a space right now where they almost feel a little

bit like chores. Yeah. So but I'm having to Yeah, I think I

was messaging you the other night, I went out for a walk at

like seven o'clock because I literally I was like, I've been

in my house all day, like working, parenting doing

whatever, maybe I left to drive somebody somewhere, but like,

and I was like, the last thing I really felt like doing was

putting on my jacket and going like outside. And yet I was like

just put one foot in front of the other and get out and just

walk the dog even for half an hour and yeah, so being in that

space where it's really easy to not do the thing but I'm I know

now the importance of keeping those those practices in place

and sometimes so I think you know, sometimes you do have to

do them even when they don't feel maybe good. Like it feels

like another thing on the to do list.

Well that's a that's an interesting nuance because of

course you know I we always talk about going without feeling and

the fine in the moment, but sometimes you have to override

that. Like I

knew today. Yeah. I just because I knew I would feel

better after and as soon as I was out. I was like, okay, yeah,

I totally need this. But yeah, having to kind of push and know

what's, what's good for you, even though I was tired and had

a busy day, sorry, yesterday,

I was gonna say if I didn't have that online yoga

date with a girl, a good friend of mine. And normally we sort

of, you know, lately we've been doing different online yoga

classes, and, you know, quite enjoying them. Anyway, she sent

me a link yesterday to this one that I was like, I was so

resistant to this just feeling I was feeling cranky and feisty

and didn't get addressed. It was like, it was definitely not

something that I was excited to do. And if I hadn't had that

date with a friend, I would not have done the class, I didn't

feel like doing it. I just wanted to wrap my day up. And at

the same time, even though I didn't love the class, I didn't

love the format of the way these teachers had brought the

routine. I'm like, Look, if I wanted to join a gym, I would

have joined a gym, I want to do a yoga class where I hear the

cues. And I hear the instructor talking, but this one just had

music playing. And you had to constantly look at the screen to

see what they were doing. And I'm so glad I did because I felt

clear headed afterwards. So even though I didn't love the

experience of the new class, I still appreciated the shift in

energy that I brought for me. So that's kind of just where we're

at.

Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I think like we were

saying the beginning for me, it's showing up in very

different ways. I've realized the my old pattern that has

shown up again, is, is the being superhuman. I've taken on and

rescuing and rescuing and feeling like I can fix everyone.

So there's some codependence there that I'm very aware of

like that, yeah, if I can fix everyone, or if I can be there

to make sure everyone's okay, then I'll be okay. And right,

that pattern of like I can do, it all has shown up. And I am

grateful that I'm recognizing it sooner than I had in the past.

So I can course correct. And I've had a number of a number of

really big signs from the universe, that I need to switch

gears, I need to slow down, I can't be doing as much as I'm

doing. And it's, it's interesting, because it's a new

layer. And it is one of those things where it's like, Oh, my

God, I thought I dealt with this, like this is really here

again. But it is in a different way. I'm a different person this

time. Yeah, I'm seeing it as like a really big and so much.

So many signs. So many things, cards I've pulled and whatnot

are all kind of pointing for me that like a big life transition

changes happening here again. But yeah, you know, I mean, the

other day, I thought I cracked my tooth from clenching my teeth

at night. Wow, thank goodness, it's not fully cracked. But

yeah, I did have kind of I did have a little fracture in it,

that they were able to just touch up and fill. But the irony

and the, you know, like that day when I was like, Okay, I'm

literally like, literally cracking under the pressure that

I put on myself. And so that's what, yeah, this Full Moon

really highlighted that for me. And then, you know, and then

actually on the full moon, basically, you know, we got some

information about one of my daughters, that is actually

really good and helpful information, however, also is

really requiring me to take a deep, deep look at what I'm

doing and how I want to show up. And just why and where some of

my struggles come from. And so yeah, it's an it's that message

like, is just slow down, slow down, and what is really

important.

Yeah, what is essential, I was gonna say, a

tie back to the card that we just drew for this, it is this,

we have so many choices in front of us and so many different

directions and so many stimuli, that it can be really difficult

to choose that one path and I'm definitely being called to like,

I'm not saying it has to be just one path, but I'm being called,

specifically out of this Full Moon this week to really track

down and focus in on what are the activities, what are the

what are the essentials that will move me and us forward, you

know, for what we're creating together? Yeah, stop letting my

energy so be dispersed in so many different directions that,

you know, like the saying goes well, and

yeah, like we're and we're both in that right. I

think we're both would say like we're multi passionate people.

And again, it shows up in different ways. We have very

different lifestyles, but and I and you know, it's a question. I

don't have the answer right now, but it's something that's come

up in my mind too, as as a multi passionate person. How do how do

we navigate this way because yeah, I know from my life right

now and the things that I have on my plate, having this many

balls in the air is not good. It doesn't like it's not serving me

and it's not serving my family and it's not serving us and our

business exam. So, you know, even I want I'm like, I think we

talked about that a little bit and what we're doing.

So do you want to break that down for your for our

listeners, because obviously, we can sit here and say, We're

multi passionate, but maybe I can talk about, you know, I have

a recital coming up in two weeks, that will be live

streamed. And so I've been unpacking how I learned music,

again, go into rehearsals, practicing again, I've found I

was, I'm still am fitting into practicing where and when I can

instead of making my part of my day, and even though I put the

times in my calendar, usually by the time that time comes around,

I'm too tired. to, to, that's when that multi passionate piece

comes in. I can't even imagine if I'd said yes to karate as

well. Like, yeah, that's just I'd be, I'd be sick.

So yeah, and I mean, and I've got, you know, Jen and

I are building, what we're building here together, we each

still have our own things. So you also still have your own

clients and your own work that way. And, and sort of why. And

you've got your areas that you practicing and study like and

your you know, like your practice, I'm thinking with a

sale.

A sale? Yeah. Um, so I'm still working on some of

that. Yeah, so you've got personal development pieces

first.

And so those are choices, their choices, but

that's also a part of you. And a part of the work you do, right.

Yeah. And for me, what that looks like is I have a family.

You know, I have, I actually still have a marketing business

that I'm working in, I have my own coaching practice. And I

have what we're doing. And I have, oh, yeah, and I'm part

time homeschooling a child. Right? So it just asked for all

of a sudden, I was like, This is This is unreal, this is the

superhuman part of myself. And this is, the pattern is very

clear to me. Were I back in the fall. Last year, we homeschooled

her, and my husband was home full time, and he took it on

this year, he's gone back to work. And I stepped up and said,

Okay, I can reduce my work time, I can fit my work into less

time. And I'll take it on. And I'll work with her because it's

only part time she also attends an Outdoor School. But what I've

realized is, I'm not superhuman. And it's eerily similar to nine

years ago when she was born, and my husband was took on a job

where he had to travel for work. And I was fairly new, I was

about two or three years into my own marketing business. And I

had two toddlers, right. And so it didn't work. I like I

couldn't, I couldn't do it all with what was with what I had on

my plate. So anyways, so that's sort of the, but it's a child, I

like I actually really enjoy the marketing, I enjoy the strategy

I enjoy the people I work with over there. I love the coaching.

I love the work that we're doing. Obviously, I love my

family and my kids, and I want to see the best. So it's, it is

hard. And I think I'm at this crossroads of like you were

saying like bringing narrowing that focus and layout. Yes,

there's all these things. And yes, I enjoy a whole bunch of

them in different aspects of them. However.

So a question might be, it's easy to say no to the

stuff that doesn't let you up. It's less easy to say no to the

stuff that lights you up, but doesn't necessarily move you

forward at this time.

Yeah. And seeing the

I say that as much for myself as for anybody else that

listen, that is

that is like the crux and you hit the nail on the

head. I think that is the hard part for a lot of us when we

have all these great things going. Yeah. But again, we're

split, like in so many different ways. And that's kind of where

I'm at right now. And oh, and I was sorry, I was gonna say again

to sort of share with how that's playing out. So back in the set

like August, September, I think it was Jeff and I decided that

well, we still each have our own businesses. We wanted to make

what we were building together a focus and a priority. And so we

both sort of said to each other Yeah, we're going to, that's

where we're going to focus our energy and that will almost act

as, say the funnel into our own like, yeah, there's still an

option to work with us one on one. But we knew at that time

that by us trying to segment our energy into building our own

personal individual practices plus building what we were

building together didn't make sense. And it was just splicing

everything. Yeah, we made that choice. I think now, for me, I

know I'm at this point of having to look at I'd like to say the

things that light me up, but I need to let go of because I've

had so much on my plate that I haven't been able to show up for

what we're doing together in the way that I want to, and in the

way that what we're building together needs me to. And this

is the also, the beautiful blessing of a partnership, Jen

has had a little bit more capacity and has been able to

step up and keep things moving and going and brought two

clients into our first program. And I'm so grateful for that.

Yeah. And it's been a really good lesson again of like, okay,

what is possible? And what, what really, is the thing that I want

to build and grow?

And what, what do we want to focus on, which, again,

is such an easy question to ask, but not necessarily an easy one

to implement. Unless, you know, unless you've chosen a field, or

we're a business or direction, that it's a single thing that

lights you up to no end. And, you know, in which case, the

world needs all kinds of people, we need multi passionate people,

and we need people who are focused on specific paths. So

the multi passionate piece ties in where we are essentially

creatives. And we have to decide so all of our different fields

feed into each other. And I'd like you know, even before we

did this partnership, I had two different businesses going on. I

had Jen Lang, right speaking coaching, and I had Jen Lang, I

had sound body sphere, which was the sound healing. And it took

me a long time for those to meld those two together and be like,

you know, what, these can all live under one space. Jen Lang

sound healer and voice coach and speaking presence coach, you

know, it's, it's kind of all in one, voice activator, still

deciding on the terminology. But it's, I think, similar to you,

Jane, where you had the marketing and the health

coaching, yeah, you've had those two pieces, and you still have

your marketing and your one to one clients are still they come

in through the door of health coaching, but, you know, we have

our healing. This is also why what we co create is so

powerful, because we can put all of our multi passionate talents

under one roof.

Absolutely. And it's not. And I think that's the

other place is coming to like, it's not necessarily like

letting something go, we're like, Okay, I have to let

marketing go. And I'm just going to be in coaching. Because what

we're also seeing you and I is our roles in this, this

partnership together, right? And I can see and we're seeing where

I get to bring my marketing brain and my strategic brain to

what we're doing. So what if I can shift that focus, so I'm

still having these, you know, I can still be in there coaching

and practicing, like, in that sense, and doing the energy

healing and all this beautiful stuff that we do together, and I

can exercise my strategic marketing brain? And that's the

beauty of it. So I think, yeah, one of the answers is, it's

finding, it's figuring out how those things can coexist in

harmony versus against each other. And I've been in this

place where I, it's felt a little bit more like a battle

for my energy, everything needs my energy, and how can I bring

those together is sort of is one piece of it. Another piece of it

is just also though, what do I have to say no to to just create

that space. Especially, you know, knowing that that's the

message I'm getting at home is just I need, I need a little

more space, I need to be able to support, you know, at home in a

different way.

So that's a really good, like place to sort of

pause and go, you know, you can get to a level of where you've

transmuted something that, you know, you talked about your

health event nine years ago, where you couldn't do it all and

your body was like, nope. And then, you know, now you

recognize the signs earlier. And like, similar to me with my

overscheduling, I've recognized I was like, Oh, I'm just not I

don't have capacity for this. And it's just, it doesn't mean

that like, one and done, I've dealt with that thing. It's

never going to come back again. It's that you've like you said,

You're the new you a different person than you were nine years

ago, just like we all were. And that is just another layer and

another level to unpack, unfold, discard, and it'll probably go

faster. And now we can recognize it for talking about it to the

public. So that was kind of cool. And that whole note, what

do you have to say no to? It's hard to say no to the things

that you love. And I think this also ties back to our Episode

Two episodes ago when we're talking about happiness and

fulfillment. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And sometimes they can code.

Sometimes they coexist in an activity and sometimes they

don't. Yeah. And so how do you choose or rank which activities

no matter what they are, whether they're paid or family or

otherwise, how do you choose which ones? You know, sometimes

you don't have a choice you have you have to show up for your

family there is like I have to show up for my dogs if I don't

take the dogs out well, yeah, exactly. It's an S, which I love

doing that. So if it's more a question of choosing the

activities that bring you both happiness, and fulfillment, and

or combining the ones, we've talked about combining those

different areas, so that they are more fulfilling. Yeah, or

choosing something completely new that meets both criteria.

And that makes it easier to say no to stuff and it doesn't have

to be no forever. This is the other part. Yes. You know, it

could be not right now. Like I took that conscious pause from

karate in September. On then I emailed them again in January. I

said, I'm still taking a pause until at least April. So, yeah,

and April, all the side, you know, okay, maybe I'll go back

just once a week, instead of four to four times a week.

Yeah. Yeah, it Yeah. And how, you know, so how is

that playing out? In what we're doing? Like, it's just thinking

about bringing that back to kind of behind the scenes. So that's

what's going on for us, personally, lots of shifts. And

I think we both agree, like, this is what we want to build.

Yeah. together. And so it's about really, this new level of

okay. That's my, that's the priority, how can I create the

space? And how can we kind of double down on what we're doing

without putting the pressure or adding more to our plate. And I

think that's, you know, that some of where I've seen, like,

I've been having to do some stuff in the cracks of my day

for, you know, what we're building and getting, you know,

our sales page built out and things like that. And I'm like,

what actually brings me joy and fulfillment is to have the space

and sit down and work on something like that, you know,

in the day and give it the proper energy, because I also

feel, I also wonder, you know, we know that our energy comes

through in that way. So we have to be really clear. And in that

right space, when we're creating,

yes, I'd like even the gospel of like, I wrote a love

letter for our community, which if you're not already signed up,

we'll share the love letters link. I wrote our community love

letter yesterday at 4am, because I was awake because of the full

moon. And it was, again, one of those things that I was trying

to fit in. And I didn't know if I was gonna do it the night

before. And I thought, You know what, I'm just going to call it

a night go to bed, did not know I was going to wake up at 4am.

But you know, it all worked, that part of it worked out. But

I just certainly don't want to make that a habit. I want that

time and space to write from a space of lightness and

expansion. Without it being four in the morning.

Whoo. So I think that's a good word place to

leave this. And then that lets like, you're going to get more

of us. Jen and I are I think like the what you were saying,

right? And how, watch for how things shift as we even shift

how we're going to show up for we are Jen and Jane, for this

podcast for all of what we're bringing to the world. Like, I

think, to full circle this conversation. We're both in this

place of right. We committed to this back in August, September.

We're showing you the bumps, it's not perfect. The ups and

downs and all the things and you know, but we're both looking to

create that space and show up even more fully.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, you're gonna see more of us. There's

more community calls coming. More ways to interact. Let's see

off the top of our head. can join us on Instagram Live at 645

to 7am. Monday to Friday, we hold seven minutes of silence

together. So we have a preamble. So just do make sure you just

follow us on Instagram at we are Jen and Jane just as like it

sounds. Community calls. You're coming up twice a month now or

every two weeks. Yeah, I think it's first and third Wednesday's

of the month.

And the community calls are really a to give you a

sample of what it's like to work with us. A sample of you know,

even just a mini container for the bigger container that we're

building with our fear serenity program, which I think both of

those the community call and then the bigger program are for

people who women a lot. It's mostly we're working with.

We are open to men. So if you are a listener and you

are male, we'd love to hear from you.

But some but you're on your journey. You're on your

healing journey or maybe on a spiritual journey. You may be

doing some of your own healing work. independently and are

looking for community are looking for. So it's, it's, it's

very much there's lots of support, there's like I'm with

my hands I'm forming, I'm talking with my hands right now

Taner build container. So it's very like, there's their

structure in that way. But this is not, it's not come and learn

a specific tool or a specific thing. It's come and be

supported, come and be in community and belonging with

other people who are on this journey with you. And Jen and I

are here to lead that. And to create that container, and to

share our expertise and our gifts with you. But just sort of

wanting to share that as to delineate between what our

community calls are, what of your serenity group program is,

versus some of the other programs that are out there?

Yeah, so the community calls are just like Jane said

that many. That's that place where you can come show up, get

to know us, and then fear serenity is more of a, I'd say,

a higher touch environment and looking at, like looking at

aspects of your life through the lens of fear serenity.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, exactly. Right. And for

serenity, we that's a concept that Jen and I are really

working on for ourselves, then. And it's different for

everybody. But that the idea, the framework of it, the whole

goal of this program is to help you identify what fear serenity

looks like for you, and to identify who you need to be in

order to embody that and what tools so we can teach you some

additional tools to help with that pulling out whatever tools

you have in your toolbox. But it is definitely a much more

expensive program. That way, we will probably be bringing guests

in. So there will be yes, there will be opportunities to learn

from other people and other hear other perspectives within that

container. Whereas the community call is about Hey, show up. You

want a little bit of, like, boost to feel good vibe. And you

know, just to maybe what's on your mind. Yeah, exactly.

Yesterday, we had a great conversation around boundaries.

Yes. In our call yesterday. So yeah, lots of really juicy

topics in those in those calls, and they're free and they're

every two weeks. So it's a great way to come and be in our space

in our energy and

we'd love to meet you. Yeah, so cool. Okay, happiness.

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though I'm not American, anyway. Whoo. And yell. Oh, y'all what's

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