The central theme of this podcast episode revolves around the intricate relationship between conspiracy theories and biblical teachings. We delve into the notion of whether such theories can be reconciled with the doctrine of faith, posing critical inquiries regarding their validity and implications. As we engage in this discourse, we will explore the significance of discerning truth from falsehood, emphasizing the necessity of grounding our understanding in the teachings of Scripture. Furthermore, we reflect on societal perceptions of conspiracy theories and their potential to distract from spiritual truths, ultimately urging our listeners to examine the motivations behind their beliefs. Through this contemplative dialogue, we aspire to illuminate the pathway toward a faith that is both informed and steadfast amidst a tumultuous world.

Takeaways:

• The podcast episode delves into the intersection of conspiracy theories and biblical teachings, exploring whether such theories align with God's truth.
• Listeners are encouraged to discern between what is biblically sound and what may lead them into confusion or fear regarding worldly issues.
• The hosts emphasize the importance of grounding discussions on conspiracy theories in scripture to maintain a faithful perspective.
• A significant focus of the episode is the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on public trust in government and the resulting spiritual implications for many believers.

Foreign.

And welcome back to Casting Seeds.

I'm Savannah, your holistic health practitioner and host.

And I'm Jeremiah, your co host.

And you're listening to the only holistic health podcast that uses God's singular truth to give you individualized discernment.

Are you excited about today?

It's one of my favorite subjects.

And I was thinking about titling this podcast episode.

Like conspiracy theories, are they biblical?

Because I think that's kind of the base of what we're going to be talking about today is bringing it back to, of course, like, is it casting seeds or is it casting pearls?

And, and if you guys, if you're new listeners today, casting seeds and casting pearls is because of our podcast name.

We like to ask, and we did it a lot more in the first season, like whether or not this episode was casting seeds, which is planting seeds of faith or casting pearls to swine.

So pearls are still great words of wisdom, but if they don't take, then it's not planting.

Right.

It's a pearl of truth, but it's not planting.

And it was a waste of time because it wasn't God's timing.

So the whole base of today in talking about conspiracy theories, I think the reason why Jeremiah and I decided to have this episode and a lot of people have asked me in the past, savannah, why do you talk about, especially on Instagram, a lot?

I tend to talk about a lot more about government policies and world economics, world issues that tend to affect us.

And the reason why I bring it up is because to me, it is a holistic topic.

Like when Covid happened, I cannot tell you guys.

I was.

My business was thriving in a non touch time.

My business was through.

I was booked nonstop.

And I think there was a part of.

Because people weren't supposed to touch each other.

It's like you tell someone they can't do something and then they want it more.

But the stress it puts on people that.

The stress of COVID and not knowing and the whole world shutting down.

I mean, divorce rates were through the roof.

Also babies.

People were having sex a lot more just to be able to cope and get their mind off of things.

No, not one person could come in and not talk about how Covid was affecting them.

And that was a world governmental issue.

Right?

So now, you know, like, let's fast forward.

I don't know, I, I should say we.

A lot of people have lost trust in the government and in governments and the world around them.

A lot of people have come to faith through that, which is beautiful, and I'm so glad that God has used that.

But on the flip side, a lot of people.

I don't think people have ne.

I don't know if people have lost faith.

I haven't heard that as much, but I've heard people putting their faith into things that are not biblical.

Right.

And trusting more conspiracy theories versus trusting the Lord and his plan and his ordinance of what he wants for the world.

So we're gonna go over conspiracy theories and whether or not it's biblical in general, which it would suck if we deemed it wasn't.

Because I love.

I love these rabbit holes.

I love conspiracy theories.

I love talking about them with clients, with friends, family.

I love getting heated about it.

And I.

Because I love bringing it back to the Bible, like, what does God say?

And I think it's a great way.

I've used it to share the gospel a lot, especially with family and with friends, especially because I think a lot of it is demonic.

Yeah.

So that's something that I want to get into today.

And I would love to hear from you guys what conspiracy theories you.

You are like, full throttle for.

That's a question too.

If.

If you guys want to skip this whole middle part and not listen to the good meat and potatoes and just get to the fun stuff at the end, I'm going to have.

Jeremiah and I are going to answer what conspiracy theories we are fully sold out on, like, that have not been proven they're true yet.

So I think a good point for us to start is what's.

Let's define what a conspiracy theory is.

Yeah.

And then maybe jump into it biblically, if it is.

And then we could talk about some conspiracy theories.

Yeah.

Which I have some stuff written out as to whether or not personally with my conviction, whether or not I feel like things are biblical.

Okay.

I got Bible verses.

Oh, me too.

Okay.

I wonder if we have similar ones.

I'm sure we do.

There's only one Bible.

Okay.

All right.

So I think you wanna let me define what a conspiracy theory is.

Yeah.

I don't even know.

Can I guess?

Yeah.

Okay.

So I think a conspiracy theory.

If I think of like a conspirac, like a co. Conspirator.

I feel like it's someone who they're gonna say, manipulates the truth, like an untruthful, almost like slander or, you know, something like that.

And then a theory.

I don't know.

Like, I think of, like, to me, conspiracy theory.

Sounds positive.

Cuz it's like a hypoth this.

But I feel like the definition that you're gonna have is going to be something negative like oh, somebody who's slandering or spinning lies.

So I think you were on the right track with your first initial.

Yeah.

Co conspirator.

So it takes two people to create something in theory that will be a conspiracy.

Is that what it says?

Yeah.

So a conspiracy is a secret agreement between two or more people to commit an unlawful or harmful act.

Oh, so it's a bad thing.

Yeah, it's a bad thing.

Yeah.

The term can also refer to the group of conspirators themselves or the act of agreeing to plot something.

Okay, so I was right that it was a negative thing.

Yeah, it is a negative thing.

The very first time it was ever used in the world.

It's an English word.

Conspiracy was the first.

You was first used in the 14th century.

The term conspiracy theory emerged later when.

Notable in the New York Times in 18.

Does it say.

Does it say what it was being said about?

I mean you'd have to go read those articles.

This is so interesting.

Yeah, I mean when President JFK was assassinated, that was when it started.

Like it blew up.

Is when conspiracy theory was like a very common term.

People really trusted the government a lot more before that, maybe, I don't know, in the 70s.

Wait, wait, when was JFK?

60s.

Is this embarrassing?

That I don't know.

I feel like, I feel like JFK was in the 60s.

One second.

This is embarrassing.

There you go.

Because I was gonna say the 60s and 70s was all about like anti government man.

It was very pro.

Yeah.

Government.

Okay.

And so in current time, the use of conspiracy is loosely.

A drip is loosely driven by social and political polarization polarizations.

Okay.

The.

It's like an echo chamber that we have now because we have social media and Internet and all this stuff that we can just throw the phase out the phrase out there to discredit whatever they're talking about.

Yeah, I feel like it's overused all the time.

Yeah.

Kind of like I'm.

Everything's a conspiracy theory.

If I don't want that to be true.

It's conspiracy theory.

Yeah, exactly.

Well, and that's the thing.

When Charlie Kirk was assassinated, I literally what did.

I looked at you and said, here come all this conspiracy theories.

They're all going to come out now.

And how many?

I can't go on social media.

I'm almost.

It sucks, because I'm, like, now annoyed about his death instead of mourning more for him and his family.

Like, I can't stand Candace Owens and all the conspir.

Like, I honestly think she's like a government psyop.

Like, creating.

That's a conspiracy.

I know, I know.

Does the CIA actually get involved with our politics in our country when they're only supposed to be involved and.

No.

100%, that's been proven.

Yeah, that's okay.

So look, this is what I'm saying.

Does the CIA and FBI have a studio in Hollywood?

Yes.

Okay.

That's been conspiracy theory.

All of these things have been proven, though, so they're not a theory anymore.

I know.

Okay.

Anyway, so this is what pisses me off, you guys, about podcasts and even.

How often do we tell people on this podcast when Jeremiah and I, or even when we bring on a guest that's even somebody who comes on and they know exactly what they're talking about.

They are a professional.

Thank you.

I'm tired.

They are a professional in their field.

They have a doctorate and whatever.

Yeah, you should still question and do your own research.

Let's pause there and jump into this.

Biblically now, because biblically, God says where it goes.

Yeah, God says to ask him.

I'll let you say your first little.

Oh, my gosh, I'm hungry.

I'm heated.

Well, first of all, the whole thing, like, I. I want to say that biblically, God talks about truth so, so much in the Bible.

Yes.

And that was where I was going to go with this as the beginning.

I'll just do some short verses.

Scripture as truth, as a Foundation.

Sanctify them by your truth.

Your word is truth.

When they say your, it's capital Y.

They're talking about God, not a personal your.

It's not Savannah's truth.

God's truth.

The word, the truth, the way, and the life.

Jesus.

Psalm 19.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Psalm 119, verse 105.

Your word is a lamp to my feet and the light to my path.

So again, God is the lamp, the light, and the way.

Matthew 7:24.

Therefore, whoever hears these sayings of mine, this is Jesus speaking, and does them I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock.

So if you have a firm foundation in Christ, and in his word in prayer.

But of course, his word first prayer and community.

Community is a part of that.

You will have the correct discernment and conviction when all these weirdly conspiracies and other things happen.

And also too, you won't get overwhelmed by them and you won't get wrapped up in fear because your only fear and reverence will be.

If you think about this isn't a verse that I have written down, but Proverbs 1:7.

What is it?

Fear?

Oh my gosh, I can't think.

It's about like true wisdom and true.

Which Bible is it?

I want to remember it.

This is making me mad.

Proverbs 1:717.

It's something like the first step of wisdom is fearing the Lord to help.

People gain wisdom, understanding and particular.

No, I don't want that.

Where's actual Bible?

See, this is a problem.

When you Google things nowadays, they don't provide you with what you're asking for.

It's like, oh, these are all the other opinions and other information.

Just need to go to Bible Gateway and that's where you could help you the most.

Fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge.

But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Oh my gosh.

So yeah, so that's what I'm saying.

Ultimately, I feel like when people bring up conspiracy theories, when they say like, oh, that's just a conspiracy, I feel like they're trying to incite fear.

And if I'm gonna.

Because the most recent thing that's been pissing me off and the reason why we're doing this episode is because Candace Owens has been making me so angry and I have watched all of her things.

Okay?

Also, I want to say this may make some people kind of mad.

And you know what?

I don't really care if I lose a bunch of followers because guess what, you guys, I have not made a dime off of this podcast.

This is just a hobby that I have sent Bibles out for and been able to love on people through a ministry.

So I don't really care if I piss people off, but I also don't trust people who are not solid in their walk with Christ.

And if you are an active, profound, excited Catholic who uses the rosary when that's not biblical, who is proud to worship and pray to Mary and other saints who are not alive, but they're thriving in the kingdom come.

Okay, they're thriving, thriving with Christ in heaven.

But you're saying that you pray to saints and you worship idols and all these things and you don't.

If you think you need God plus you're in a cult.

I don't care if it's Mormonism.

I don't care if it's Jehovah's Witness, whatever the crap it is, including Catholicism, unless you're a bad Catholic and you don't do all those things.

You don't believe in the Pope, whatever.

But Candace Owens tries to say that she is her on a rock and a firm foundation and I don't trust her because she tries, she uses constantly scripture out of context in, in a non biblical way and then tries to tell me that I should listen to her with all these other things and it makes me not trust her.

So if somebody's going to manipulate the word of God and then tell me to trust them with government things.

Honey, no.

So those are.

That's my rant.

She makes me mad right now.

Yeah.

I'm not.

Come at me.

Yeah.

I, I do think anybody that can be manipulated by a religion that is not solid, solidly founded in the the Lord and just the Lord cannot be trusted in the sense that they do not bring God's truth.

So why would they bring me the truth?

Yeah.

Worldly truth.

Yeah.

Well, also second.

So that's the other thing.

Scripture as the ultimate is the ultimate authority.

Right.

Second Timothy 3, 16, 17.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable.

Profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

In Isaiah 8:20 to the law and to the testimony.

If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

If there is no light in somebody, which Christians can tell by the fruits of somebody.

Yeah.

If you can tell there's no light, why would you trust them?

So with all that being said, if I see someone stirring up more corruption than they are bringing people to God's light, like Charlie Kirk.

Charlie Kirk didn't like her.

I mean he liked her as a person.

Yeah.

He did not trust her.

Yeah.

There's plenty of videos that him saying like, I do not trust her.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah.

And then she's sitting there trying to say he's Catholic and his wife's Catholic.

Well, literally there's a video of her saying like, I left Catholicism because of things that my husband taught me and the word of God and blah, blah.

Anyway, so with all that being said not to bring it to Charlie Kirk over and over again, that's just the most recent thing that has happened.

Jeremiah and I are going to talk about other things too.

But when I learned about, like John Podesta.

Oh, I can hear Penelope.

I'm gonna have to go pick up Penelope, but really quickly.

Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of stuff like that.

I know there's a whole bunch of stuff about Playboy that came out where they, they took children from Vietnam during the Vietnam War, and they loaded them up into a jet and flew them back to America and they vanished.

And there's tons of stories like that Savannah's getting the baby.

But let's see if I continue this by myself.

This is a first for me.

Hi, everybody.

Uncensored Jeremiah.

No, I'm kidding.

I wanted to bring up Isaiah 8, 12, 13.

This passage advises against adopting the fears and narratives of others, encouraging reliance on God.

And instead of what the.

The fears are being thrown at us.

And I, I one of the big ones, you know, I saw in my family and with friends during COVID there was this huge fear that you're gonna die if you catch COVID And so many people avoided each other and it wasn't true.

Like, there are people who died, but it wasn't from COVID most of the time, it was from other things.

And then on top of that, covet helped.

First John 4, chapter 1.

Believers are urged to test each teaching.

And so in that same sense, we're supposed to test every single thing that we hear.

The verse highlights the importance of verifying new information by examining Scripture.

And so there are tons of things in the Bible that have been predicted to happen.

And there's tons of people who say, like, they're happening and stuff.

So these are the ways that we're validating when God will come back, when Jesus will return to earth.

And also in that Same sense.

This is how we determine if a conspiracy is real or fake.

So we are a, I mean this, this is hard because we, we have to wait until things are declassified by the CIA, FBI and all these other corporations and government entities and stuff like that.

And we have to wait till they provide this information to us so we can check it.

And there's tons of conspiracy theories that were conspiracy theories to the public and the government, Big pharma, the cigarette company, all these people told us we're crazy until they had to release their information after their patent was done or after their studies were finished or the, the court case ended or what else.

I know for like the whole UFO thing, you had to wait and I think it was like 50 years and into until they could release the information about the Roswell crash and stuff like that.

And so yeah, it's hard to give trust to imperfect government and imperfect people.

And this is why we should always lean into our Bible.

And that's why I guess we're.

Mark 4 verse.

Mark chapter 4, verse 24.

Sorry.

Jesus encourages us to carefully consider what we hear and link it all back to spiritual growth.

And does this benefit me?

Does it matter that this is a conspiracy theory?

Is this going to affect my discipleship with other people, my community, my church?

And this is why we should be involved with our governments and should be involved with the news and everything that's coming out and why we should do research, why we should vote.

And so I think with all of that said, conspiracy theories are just a way to put misinformation and fear into people's lives.

And they call it a conspiracy theory when it's a fact.

And I think that the point is to make you think your sources are lying to you, to make, make you think that your religion is false, to make you think you're crazy.

Okay, so then I, I mean I missed a lot of what you said cuz I was putting Penelope down and she's still in my arms.

If you couldn't hear, what would you say then to people who like have seen like Bigfoot or things like that?

Like there are a lot of Christian based podcasts that are based on conspiracy theories.

Yeah, that's like the whole base of their podcast.

Really popular.

She is active.

Oh, I'm sorry everybody.

She is, she's got some lungs that she's been building.

But conspiracy theories for Christians, I think, you know, in the case of Bigfoot or aliens or demons, ghosts, I don't know anything of that source.

Like I know, but Savannah said We don't believe in ghosts here.

And so in that same sentence, like, you have all these TV shows and movies and, like, I guess, propaganda to support this demonic belief that these entities are real and 100% they are real, but they're all demonic.

Like, there.

There are aliens.

Like, if they are.

If they are real.

Yeah, they're demonic.

Absolutely.

100.

And that goes for the giants in the Bible, the cyclops in the Bible, all these other creatures that are Nephilim, like, they're out there, and it is real, and it is a spiritual battle to go against these.

And so the only way we can fight against these conspiracy theories spiritually.

Spiritually.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Other conspiracy theories that are not, I guess, demonic or.

One of my favorites is the whole psychology.

Psychology.

Oh, yeah.

Just psychology in general is.

This is a conspiracy.

I. I honestly think the government created psychology to high demonic possession.

Well, psychology and philosophy have been mixed since, like, Greeks.

Like, since the ancient Greeks.

Yeah.

So I guess what I'm referring to psychology is, like, all these illnesses.

All the illnesses that we have nowadays, I think, are a way to hide demonic possession and spiritual attacks.

I think.

Yeah.

A lot of them could be hid that way.

Especially, like, with homelessness.

You can see.

I mean, even my friend who passed away.

Yeah.

One of the biggest questions was, like, was there demonic split personalities?

Is it really two personalities, or is it demonic entity inside this person?

You think about the.

They.

Them demons call themselves they.

Like, we.

And we hear that term very often nowadays.

Mm.

But, yeah, I'm literally standing, you guys bouncing.

Penelope.

I don't even have my headset on, so I can't even tell if I sound okay.

Okay.

I'll tell you if you.

You sound bad.

She's, like, passing out in my arms now.

This is a whole new experience of podcasting for us.

It's a lot of fun, and it's a little frustrating because we don't have control.

It's not easy with a colicky baby.

No.

All right, give me one of your.

Conspiracy theories that I'm sold out for.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I.

Okay.

I don't know if I'm sold out on this.

Oops.

But I'm definitely, like, confused about this.

I don't understand God of Confusion.

I know.

Well, okay.

I don't understand how we magically lost all the technology to be able to go to the moon.

I'm so.

My grandpa used to Say this to he.

Say my Rolex has more technology in it than we were, than we had for the technology to get to the moon.

And then now we don't.

And then also Buzz Aldrin is caught multiple times on video in different situations saying, we never went to the moon.

Yeah.

In his like, old Alzheimer's age.

Yeah.

So those types of things are interesting to me.

I don't know.

Have we landed on the moon?

Truth or false?

There's.

There.

We have a director that's in Hollywood that says he's the one that filmed it.

We have lots of information that says it's fake.

Yeah.

And then, you know, there's also the support.

There's so many eyewitnesses that we landed and there's all these people that were a part of the mission and how could they all be on the same telling the same lie on top of the idea that, you know, this technology is gone.

The.

The argument against that is that we didn't have the support financially to continue the program.

So when they stopped, they got rid of that technology because it was obsolete.

And I guess my argument towards the obsolete part is that if it's obsolete, what took over?

Because in order for it to be obsolete, there has to be something that was better, that was created next that they are currently using.

And then why would all that info get destroyed or lost?

Why would they delete it all?

I don't know.

Essentially.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Like, I don't.

Yeah.

All right.

I wanted to jump in on some conspiracy theories that are actually real, that have been proven to be real.

So then they're not a conspiracy theory anymore.

But we were told that we are all liars and crazy because we believe this.

The government told us, the news told us.

I can.

Can I give you one?

Yeah, go for it.

Because I had like a three part video series on my Instagram about it.

Do it.

That the COVID vaccine was safe.

Safe.

Yeah.

They.

I have a three part video series on my Instagram of four different doctors, but only one is speaking at that time at a UN conference.

Speaking and explaining about, like, why all the athletes around the world that were super healthy just started dropping dead from heart attacks.

Yeah.

And he.

I mean, they basically admitted, like, yeah, of course you guys were all an experiment because we had no idea if it was safe or not.

Yeah.

And it's been proven that it's not safe.

That's the only way.

If you're a healthy person and then you drop dead from a heart attack.

From taking it.

You're part of that percentage with, like, just like any other medicine where that.

It's a smaller percentage, but this one is literally.

They said you have a 70% chance or rate of having a severe side effect.

Yeah.

And.

Or death.

So you have a 70% percent chance of rate of severe side effect or death.

But you had a 0.5.

0.05.

That's what it was.

To die from COVID To die from COVID Yeah.

But.

I know, I know.

And there's a huge movement right now to detox from the COVID vaccination.

Yeah.

There's a lot of people talking about it.

Yeah.

Liberals and conservatives and Republicans.

There's a really big push right now for holistic health because the people do not trust big Pharma.

Yeah.

So that's.

That's one of yours.

Yeah.

What's yours?

All right, so are not so conspiracy theories.

You know how the conspiracy theory that, like, all the big, big name companies, they all get together and they.

They worship and they talk about how they want to control the world.

Not a conspiracy theory.

That was the Bohemian Grove.

And that was proven by several people.

And then a lot of news outlets came out saying that it's real, too.

Yeah.

That's why it's been abandoned.

Right.

Well, I mean, they're just doing it somewhere else.

Well, I just mean that Grove.

But the.

The owl is still there.

Yeah.

Which has been mentioned in scripture to be the worship of Moloch.

Yeah.

Which is still really big right now in different places in the world.

Yeah.

Well, also, too.

You want to, like, let's compare.

The UN has come out and said verbatim, our goal is for depopulization of the world.

I mean, even the.

Is it Alex Trebek?

Is that the guy who's.

The.

Who's.

Who's.

Who is that guy who.

When.

If you think of, like, a documentary of nature and he talks like this.

The British documentary guy.

Yeah.

Because there's, like, that whole thing on Netflix.

We were watching it with Keely the other day.

Okay.

His whole thing.

Oh, my gosh.

Penelope just threw her head back like.

Yeah.

She's a bohemian rock star.

His whole thing that he said was the number one way to save the planet is to have less people.

Our planet is overcrowded.

And so they're using that to then say we need to have less people in general population.

Yeah.

And if we're doing depopulization, that is the opposite of what God has commanded us to do since Abraham, which is to populate it's like, don't worry that we're not going to run out of resource.

I mean, unless you mess up and like you over hunt in one area.

Like, humans are imperfect.

Oh, here we go.

One second.

So depopulization is also one that has been proven.

Yeah.

It is not a conspiracy.

Well, it's not really proven.

It's just talked about a lot in government, and not our government specifically, but around the rest of the world.

And then you'll hear our people talking over there also about it.

Yeah, because we used to be a part of the UN.

Yeah.

I don't know if Biden put us back in.

I don't think so.

I don't know.

Anyway.

All right, you go.

I would have to look it up.

You go again.

Yeah.

Did the CIA try to learn how to create people that can do, what do you call it, telepathy and do, like psychological warfare and create people that could, like teleport with their brains and stuff?

Did they actually do that?

Like, did they try to do it or did they figure it out?

No, no.

Well, I guess they wouldn't.

Documentation says they might have figured it out.

Where?

So it's.

The project's called MK Ultra and you can look it up and they have scientific ways that you can enter these different minds, these different states where you can control certain powers.

Okay, I've heard of MK Ultra.

Yeah.

Legit conspiracy theory.

Oh, headset.

I gotcha.

Sorry.

Let's see.

I'll jump into some.

Can you tell them there's a video of Ariana Grande saying, I went to a place in Costa Mesa to forget my memories.

Oh, she's like, I don't remember.

Can you say that?

Yeah.

There's a clinic in Costa Mesa where Ariana Grande went, and there's a video of her saying that she can.

That she went there to delete some of her memories.

And so this is one of the way.

Like there.

There's a lot of ways that people have deleted memories.

There's a lot of ways that people have created mind control.

You've heard, you've seen these activation codes and these ways that people hypnotize people on in movies and stuff like that.

And the CIA actually did all that.

And I'm not 100% sure because I haven't gone into those documents how much of it was actually done.

But I do know hypnotism and was.

They did achieve that.

They did achieve the Ability to like, I guess see through walls in some way.

I don't know the science behind it, but crazy stuff that we were all told we're crazy.

And until the files came out.

Let's see, this one's good.

Watergate scandal.

This was a conspiracy theory that the Democrat Nation Committee headquarters led a, led the resignation to Richard Nixon by like bugging him and like putting spies around him and listening to his conversations and stuff like that.

And they forced him to retire.

And that was conspiracy theory for the longest time until those files came out, till actually the whistleblowers came out.

And so I think that's one big thing currently that we're learning about is whistleblowers.

And I, it is so funny how much is being hidden from us.

Even currently the FBI has just been hiding their projects.

And now more whistleblowers that are more than likely God fearing Christians are coming out and like saying, like, this is happening and we're lying to you.

And I do think that more of these conspiracy theories are going to be coming clear.

And so like I've talked about like CIA, FBI, government stuff.

And so I'm going to go into corporate, a little bit corporate espionage and stuff.

There was a huge push for cigarettes.

Cigarettes is in movies, TV shows, commercials.

You were not cool unless you smoked a cigarette.

I think that was like, gosh, how many years was cigarettes around?

How many people did it kill?

And for the longest time they covered up autopsies and every single, like documented thing about cancer that you can, you can't get cancer from cigarettes.

And now like, if you go to Europe and you buy a pack of cigarettes, there's literally an image of someone's lungs burnt to a crisp, their tongue full of hair, their throat blown out and stuff like that.

It's just disgusting.

Here in America, they still don't do that kind of stuff.

But in Europe, I do know they're trying to get more people to quit with the imagery of what actually happens to their body when they smoke a cigarette.

We should probably be doing that with caffeine and all this other stuff now.

I think sugar would be a good one too.

Like, you look at that Snicker bar and it just shows obesity or like, who knows what.

I feel bad for Savannah.

She's all the crying.

Gosh, I've never had to do this by myself, y'.

All.

Yeah, conspiracy theories are definitely one of my little things that I'VE really enjoyed as a child.

I grew up watching X Files and a lot of the X Files episodes fake.

You know, like there's, there's a lot of fiction in there and then there's a lot of science fiction in there.

And.

I'm going to tell you, I do hope a lot of that stuff comes out because I think it will help people come to the Lord more once they realize how dangerous and scary the world really is.

And that not having a biblical life leads you to death.

And I do think when we lead our life in fear and when we lead our life in our own ideologies and wisdom, we just fall short.

And even if we're doing great things in our, in the world and we're helping disclose all these conspiracy theories or donating all this money or saving people, if you're not a Christian, you're not saved.

You're not doing it for the Lord.

It's just.

I don't know.

I hate to see good, kind and good hearted people go to hell, but that's what happens.

You need to dedicate your life to God, not conspiracy theories, not fears, not these ideas that we need something going on in the world.

Another big conspiracy theory is that, you know, Rome never fell, the Coliseum still alive.

And I truly do believe that football, baseball, all these sports are designed to distract people and it works.

I've never cared for any of the sports.

I think I watched soccer once every four years.

And yeah, I just.

You got to be careful what you let you let into your life and you let become an idol into your life because it will not benefit your relationship with the Lord.

And also having certain ideologies and conspiracy theories in your life separate you from the community of God also.

And so at the end of the day, like it's better not to talk about conspiracy theories with your community at church, just so you don't separate each other in that way.

But also it's probably the best place to go for wisdom and to bounce these ideas off.

So like, you do have to be careful who's in your community and stuff like that.

But I don't know, it's really.

What, what do you think, Savannah?

Like, like the whole idea behind us and our, our thought process on ivf, we're against it.

Other Christians are not.

Is it, is it okay to talk about this with our community knowing that other people are okay with it or should we be careful who we talk about it around?

I think it's always good to use wisdom and discernment, you know, like for Each conversation, like, why is God presenting this?

And if you should discuss certain things.

Yeah, if you want me to.

If you want me to answer, you're have to take.

All right, let's switch up.

I'll let Savannah take this for a little bit.

I'll be right back.

Okay.

Sorry, you guys.

I know this is not conventional at all in a podcast.

It feels really unprofessional.

But again, we want you guys to know what it's like actually having a baby.

And again, we're not paid to do this, so this is our everyday life.

But, like, for IVF and things like that, like that, that is scientifically backed research, and that's completely different.

Where, you know, like, if you have scientifically backed research and different information from various sources that are third party tested or multiple, like, shown over and over and over again that it is truth and then scripture backs it up, I think that's different.

Like, being against IVF and surrogacy and all those things.

I mean, Katie Frost is a Christian, and she has it all backed up.

She did all the research for us, which was amazing.

Um, but her book then before us, I mean, it proves over and over again how the child constantly loses in those situations.

And God would never want to put a child's health at risk for your desire to have children.

God makes it clear that children are a gift.

Marriage is a gift.

These things aren't your choice.

It's God's choice ultimately, and we don't get control of that.

I mean, and I'm saying this as someone who did struggle with having kids and who did question, like, is IVF an option for me?

And it never sounded right.

And then when I found out why, that completely changed my life and trajectory.

So I think there's a huge difference between conspiracy theories and facts.

And again, everything's a conspiracy theory until proven not right.

So if you are able to find research and so science and find worldly truth and biblical truth as to why it, like, things aren't correct.

For instance, like, let's talk about transgenderism, right?

I think people could say, like, oh, if you're anti transgender, you're a conspiracy theorist about health and healthcare and.

Because I've heard things like that.

But no, it's scientifically backed research.

And even a whole bunch of gay movements have been anti transgender, especially with children, because it ends up basically sodomizing kids and creating a generation of children who even adults who have irreversible effects.

And I mean, it's proven that people who have body dysmorphia or people who have any type of mental health issues thinking that they're in the wrong body, that's proven that it's a mental illness first and a physical illness secondary.

And it's very rare where people actually have two types of genders in their body, where they actually would have a physical dysmorphia, where they could actually choose between two types of genders.

And it is so rare, I think like.001% of the world's population ever, ever has to even go through a type of surgery like that.

So with that being said and with all of this, the real question is that Jeremiah did a great job at answering as to whether or not conspiracy theories are biblical.

I do think that it's more okay than Jeremiah to have these conversations in like, your close church group or whatever.

Like, I'll talk about these with friends.

And we all very much vary on the things that we agree with or disagree with, but it's still.

They're fun conversations.

But ultimately, if you can't bring them back to Christ, or if the person discussing it with you, a brother or sister in Christ, can't bring it back to Christ, that's something that should be acknowledged and said to that person.

And if they take it personally, could they should.

And they shouldn't get upset at you for pointing that out.

Right.

That's the whole point of us having these in depth, beautiful conversations.

Um, outside of, like, I would say your discipled 12, you can have more of these conversations.

But again, if it's not being led back to Christ, what's the point?

The whole point is, who are you doing this for?

Which is what we bring up often in this podcast.

And I often, I bring up sociological challenges when it comes to different types of ideologies and government policies and things like that, or healthcare.

On my Instagram and I purposely poke and challenge people, but ultimately in my comment section and or in my description, I always try to bring it back to Christ.

Why do you believe the things that you believe?

And for me, I actually.

One of the reasons why I was like, so brokenhearted when Charlie Kirk passed was because he was one of the only Protestant Christians who was out there having these healthy discussions and challenging people.

And why do they believe what they believe?

What is the point and what is the purpose?

So ultimately, I think that's the question that Jeremiah and I want to ask you guys is, of course, again, who are you doing this for?

What is the point?

What is the purpose?

What is the heart posture behind it?

Are you Leading people closer to Christ.

Are you using the fruits of the Holy Spirit?

And is God actually calling you to use these things in that moment too?

Right.

You have to be able to check in and say like, am I doing this out of my own valor or was God really speaking to me in this moment or using me in this moment?

Or is it a time to just step back and just listen to what this person has to say?

Whether or not you agree, right?

Penelope is having a hard time right now because she's really colicky and doing this episode was really, it's been on my heart for like weeks.

So I'm really thankful that Jeremiah's doing this with me.

And it's been really hard and especially because it's in the evening.

But we just wanted to have this episode because I feel like conspiracy theories have been coming up non stop and it's just been so overused and over said.

Like just like the word toxin to me, like I'm so over it.

I'm so over hearing about parasites over all these things or cleanses, detoxes, like I'm over these things.

So when I hear something being used over and over again, I realize that very quickly the word or the phrase and definition tends to be taken out of context.

And we want to go to the actual definition of things and we want to go to the core definition, not what it, what has it been manipulated to be socially now.

So just remember you guys, that when you think of a conspiracy theory, it's actually used in a negative context.

It's not like a, oh, let's challenge this type of way.

It's when people are specifically trying to co conspiracy together against a population or people.

And when you have co conspirators, it's an unhealthy, unbiblical, false narrative that you shouldn't want to be a part of.

You shouldn't be known as somebody who likes conspiracy theories or you know, is a co conspirator yourself.

So make sure that you have that definition and you're able to correct people on it.

If they're proud person, especially they're claiming Christ and they're proud to be in that type of venue.

So with that I hope that this gently opened up questions.

You guys get to see kind of into Jeremiah and I's hearts and like the things that we're interested in.

I'm technically interested in all those things.

But until I see it and see the proof, I'm very much like I, I question.

So for me, becoming a Christian was like a really Interesting and hard walk.

Because I did not understand how any of this could be true and how these, like, radical, amazing stories, especially in the Old Testament, even in the New Testament, how, like, the miracles could happen.

But, I mean, one of the books that helped me the most was I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

The scientific backing of the Bible and the truth is just amazing.

Amazing.

And that's the thing I've noticed about God.

Whether it's in health care, whether it's in His Word, or, like, random things like just facts that I learn about the world and his creation.

I noticed that quite often I will see truth.

I'll learn about it.

And then the Bible quite often backs it up.

Not even quite often.

Almost everything that I've learned, the Bible has then backed it up.

Even that one discovery that we had where we were going through the Bible and Biblical herbs, which we could go back to.

I feel like people were really interested in it, and then it kind of died off.

But we were going through each book of the Bible and talking about the biblical herbs and things that were in it.

But one of them was bees.

And the bee hive that Solomon ate was like the.

Out of the carcass.

I discovered that those bees were not discovered.

And carcasses, animal carcasses.

So that proves that the Bible is wrong and incorrect.

And that's where Solomon was at that time.

It just was.

Everything, like, became backed up, which was just absolutely beautiful and amazing.

So it's just that kind of stuff where, I mean, sometimes it's not in our lifetime that we'll find out those answers, but just.

I love that.

And that was a conspiracy theory that was then proven correct.

Right.

So with that being said, I just want to thank you guys again for being wonderful listeners and also going along this baby journey with us.

I hope and pray that Jeremiah and I can start recording more while Penelope's asleep, but there just isn't enough time in the day because she'll sleep for, like, an hour every three hours, and it's been really hard.

So thank you for walking this journey with us and also going through conspiracies with us.

And do you want me to lift up the mic?

Jeremiah, do you have any last words to say?

No.

I talked about Expos.

A little.

Of course, he talked about X Files.

It's his favorite show with that.

Thank you, Fox Mulder, for the inspiration of this.

But ultimately, I just wanted to thank the Lord for giving us a biblical foundation to be able to go back to.

Because seriously, you guys, I would not.

I don't know.

I don't know if I'd be able to walk this earth with all the questions and the doubt and the evil.

I feel like a part of me would not have wanted to stay on this earth and, like, I would have commit, like, considered suicide because of how evil and disgusting the earth is like, the world is.

I wouldn't want to live here.

I'm a pretty dramatic person and I'm a very, like, cut and dry person.

And I don't know.

So I know that's a horrific thing to say, but it's kind of like one of those things where I can see why people find that to be a release, even though it's clearly not.

So with that, I love you guys.

Yeah.

I think at the end, at the end of the day, if it's not of God, it's of the world.

And if it's of the world, it's not biblical.

Yeah.

So it doesn't matter what conspiracy theory it is or idea you have or anything like that.

Dad believes or mom believes, whatever.

It doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter.

Yeah.

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