I'm excited to share the inaugural episode with new co-host Eva Frazier! Eva is a co-owner of Clever Cycles, a board member of the nonprofit BikeLoud PDX, and just an all-around quality person who cares about Portland and wants to see cycling thrive.

In what I hope is the first of many "In The Shed" chats to come, Eva and I chat about a wide range of topics. It's fun, free-flowing banter between two bike and urbanist nerds — a change from the more formal interviews and event recaps this podcast has done in the past. I will still do those things, but will make "In The Shed" a regular feature.

In this episode (recorded Thursday, October 12th) Eva and I talked about:

• Life in the shop (squirrels and cats!)
• Eva's preferred route from inner southeast to The Shed in NoPo
• The Street Trust Alice Awards
• Automatic shifting bicycles (Trek's "Lime" bike in Portland 2007)
• Tapas Tuesdays (link to event)
• First bike on Mt. Hood (Mazamas story)
• PBOT SE Hawthorne Blvd Evaluation Report (PDF)
• Broadway Bike Lane Scandal (all BP coverage)
• The first bakfiets in Portland and subsequent Dutch bike invasion.
• and more!!

Episode made possible by BikePortland advertisers, subscribers, and financial supporters. Please become one today at BikePortland.org/support.

Jonathan Maus 0:00

Hey everybody, Jonathan here, the host of the bikeportland podcast. Or maybe I should say co host. That's because this is the first episode of a new chapter in this podcast where I welcome in Eva Fraser. A lot of you know, Eva as one of the CO owners of clever cycles, which is not just a bike shop in Portland, but just an institution in our community. I've been looking for someone to come join me on the podcast for a long time. And I thought Eva would be a great person to do that. She's also involved with bike cloud. She's a bike cloud board member by cloud is a local nonprofit that advocates for bicycling. I'll still be doing the interviews and audio reports from live events and other things that I have been doing on the podcast forever. But I am going to try and make this chat with Eva Fraser, more of a regular thing. She also happens to live in the neighborhood here in North Portland where just our bikeportland shed is just a few blocks from Peninsula Park if you know this part of town. Anyway, without further ado, here is the first episode with co host Eva Frasier. I hope you love it. I am super excited because here in the shed with me today I have Eva Fraser, co owner of clever cycles and generally cool biking person and artists. Are you an artist? Or do you like art? Are you an art adjacent? Does your partner do art?

Eva Frazier 1:27

Art adjacent to Jason?

Jonathan Maus 1:29

Do you have artistic ability of your own? I mean, we all do. But do you actually practice art or

Speaker 2 1:35

not anymore? An artist to paint I actually went to college for art.

Jonathan Maus 1:38

There you go. Yeah, we just are gonna just be talking about whatever I don't even have an agenda or agenda. Let's let's start at the very beginning. A very good place to start. And I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 1:52

The formation of the world was not an airplane. Well, 65 million years ago, the dinosaurs.

Jonathan Maus 2:01

How about how about we'll start with the beginning of your ride up here. You know you live in North Portland?

Speaker 2 2:07

Yeah, I live half a mile from you. Shoot. I was thinking it was the most magical half a mile. Do you like this time of year?

Jonathan Maus 2:14

Yeah, writing is it's beautiful. I

Unknown Speaker 2:15

mean, it's a clear blue day today.

Jonathan Maus 2:17

Perfect. And the leaves are so nice. Because I was going to ask you like I was thinking in my head. You were coming from the shop on se Hawthorne. Nine What is the address? 900 900 se Hawthorne Boulevard folks, clever cycles. It's an institution. I was gonna ask you how you got up here.

Speaker 2 2:34

Like need to pay money for that marketing. Oh. Oh, I didn't think so. Like handing you $5 right now.

Jonathan Maus 2:42

Yeah, she she's, she's co host and sponsor. Okay, so what if you were okay, this is just a so I used to have an office a couple blocks in there. Actually, it was our first office and an active space building. Right over on the lecture. Sure. On the other side of Lucky lab from you there on Hawthorne. And I always like struggled with how to get north south through there. Of course now with the blue Monera bridge, it's a whole different story. But when I was super racer boy person, I would like just scramble right up, you know, grand, like just right in the car lane and just hit it all the way to Broadway or something right. But it's not great. So I'm just curious, like if you're coming if you were coming from the shop on se Hawthorne in ninth, how would you get here?

Speaker 2 3:27

Okay, so I've been doing this commute for like 13 years, and I changed it up here and there but I come straight up nice. And sort of snuck across it's a better crossing now across Sandy. So you can get across and then you can take the seven to the bloomin Hauer bridge and then go through Lloyd center if you want to do that honestly and the okay you can also scoot up ninth and like take a right by the Friends factory and then take a left on 12 go across that bridge so

Jonathan Maus 3:59

what do you think about I've heard people say that the like 12 because you don't have to go there and down and up. Yeah kind of go into the gold shield go to the aluminum

Speaker 2 4:06

Bridge is a hill thing and I am not any biker so I'm like struggle town. Everybody. You have McLemore is not a beggar. But I also do this weird thing where I like go across the 84 bridge on MLK. Sometimes to Okay, so and then scoot down to you know, underneath by the by the basketball stadium.

Jonathan Maus 4:33

The Basque Okay, so moto moto center. Okay, so you don't have

Unknown Speaker 4:36

to call the Rose Garden.

Jonathan Maus 4:38

You hope? Yeah, that's rough. Yeah, at least it's I mean Moto is not terrible as a name. I used to love that it was rose garden. We were like I felt like we were one of the last cities in America that had like a real nice name for their sports arena. And at least ours is moto which isn't terrible, but at least it's not like Smoothie King or, or crypto. Like those are literally the night anyway. So I Going back to how you would back to your route.

Unknown Speaker 5:04

So I'm only 1/3 of the way home so far.

Jonathan Maus 5:07

And you've mentioned like three different options. I thought you would have settled on one by now. Well, no, because I'm going to do the same thing. I'm one of those people. You don't just do the same route all the time.

Speaker 2 5:15

And if it's, if it's like a quiet time of day, I'll take the river path, you know, the Esplanade,

Jonathan Maus 5:21

will you go like,

Speaker 2 5:22

I'll go like down just lay down to the river and then up that way, especially in the summer if I want to go swimming.

Jonathan Maus 5:29

Yeah, well, that's you're very lucky. You can just use a lot of options, I guess. I guess. Never. I just never think of doing clay to the river because it's like so certainly

Speaker 2 5:36

don't think of taking grand. Yeah, in the bus. Yeah, I guess the rose lane is not too bad

Jonathan Maus 5:43

on the way down. It's great. Yeah, I do that when I'm in a hurry, and I don't mind a little extra stress. Yeah, it makes you go faster. Yeah, like if I'm late to happy hour. I'll just himself from like Tila muck on MLK. All the way to Anthony. I have in the bus lane. Which is awesome. I don't think enough people know that you can ride in the bus lanes. Right in the Rose lanes. The city doesn't care. No one's gonna bust you for that even though it doesn't say bike on some of them. It's legit you can ride them I'll I won't take the heat if

Speaker 2 6:14

you maybe we should have we should have a ride where we just take the roselands

Jonathan Maus 6:17

That'd be pretty nice. Is it possible to loop on rows lanes? No, I don't know if the networks that good. Okay, so I want to I want to get you all the way to North Portland so you've basically given people like three different options you can go 12 There are 730 clay or or the motor center. Okay, then what's your choice?

Speaker 2 6:36

If I'm if I'm cruising up, you know if I want to Hill I'll take interstate okay? Because that takes me straight to my house. I live near the old bowling alley. If you're like old Portland,

Jonathan Maus 6:47

how do you feel about that part? Right as you go under like the freeway overpasses, and it's like that gauntlet right before you get to the hospital. Is that nerve racking to you? Does that bother you at all? Some people jump over and go on the sidewalks?

Speaker 2 6:58

Not very nice. Yeah, you don't like it? Especially if that's the road that makes me the angriest. On my commute,

Jonathan Maus 7:05

we all have one of those. I remember when a guy got hit right there. Mail Carrier older gentleman years ago I think his name was Mike Wilmerding Yeah, I always think of that and yeah, there there's always roads in our routes, right where we're like, this is the one that just makes me so mad that it's even here. I mean, gosh, yes. You're just like up against that wall anyway. But yeah, some people will I've heard they will jump up do a cross you know, the crossing that would take you based on like the Greely path now but then they stay on the sidewalk on like the the west side of Interstate and they go up opposite traffic. You know what I mean? Like up

Speaker 2 7:40

to the park by the guards. You can smell the goats. Oh, yeah, the

Jonathan Maus 7:44

goats. Yeah. Anyway, okay, so yeah, like you'll do interstate. Do you do Mississippi Hill very much.

Speaker 2 7:50

No, I did it with you that one time you were like encouraging me to go up the Mississippi Hill.

Jonathan Maus 7:55

It's steep. It is steep. It's quiet. It's quiet though.

Speaker 2 7:59

I feel a wreck. Maria. Do Montek Maria. She would the hill killers would be like all about that route. Yeah, she should go

Jonathan Maus 8:07

over there. She's always in southeast I feel like Yeah. Okay, so you prefer interstate. Alright, that's fine.

Speaker 2 8:13

Route one. I actually don't prefer it. It's just the fastest fastest for you the fewest stop signs stoplights, etc. Alternatively, I go up. Like if I'm taking the 12 street. I go through light center and then I go up like ninth and either over Telemark to Williams, or I just go straight through and through Irving Park and then up seven than kind of zig I do a lot of zigzagging to avoid stop signs I really

Jonathan Maus 8:43

don't like to stop at stop signs No. And you don't feel comfortable just blowing through them rolling through them. We don't say that word that's Idaho stopping Yeah, we we stopped the needle or what is it called? Slower than go okay that's what we that's what we do right

Speaker 3 9:02

I think I'm a pretty aware Yeah. Writer

Jonathan Maus 9:05

but that's nice. You zigzag you're willing to go out of your way to Yeah, to obey the law and comply with stop signs. Ish. Yeah. Squishy. Okay, like it's you up to the north. Okay, I feel like we have to back up and I feel like we need to people kind of know my thing. They know kind of who I am. I think in some ways, or anyway, that is what it is. Um, you have to share something about yourself like a little more your background like where did you go to school when you get to Portland? When did you start?

Unknown Speaker 9:36

Oh, like what is my favorite flavor of seltzer?

Jonathan Maus 9:39

Did you bring your favorite flavor of coconut? You'd like to coconut? I haven't tried it I don't know why didn't try it. I went with the sure thing the grapefruit that I always said I always have. I'll have to try it next time. So coconut your favorite seltzer? Yeah, is the quarry the only one that has that?

Speaker 2 9:55

No, I actually really liked the polar also they do it toasted coconut.

Jonathan Maus 9:59

Oh yeah. It's that kind of I have a brown label as well, I

guess. Yeah.

Okay. This is reminding of the, the podcast who's all of our shoulders all of that we stand on their shoulders, which is the sprocket podcast, they would always have like these really dank like beers like, not like plate like I mean like deep cut beers like

they were sponsored by That's right. The beer monger your mongers

they had access to really good beer. Remember that? I remember walking there one time to do that show. And I was like a not a 40 but you know, like a bomber. I was like, Alright, this is this is what we're doing. Yeah, I don't think I don't think bikeportland podcasts get away with that too many too many pitfalls there. And besides with now there's so I'm drinking every week and Happy Hour, which that's a whole thing. And then now. Now my friend Joe Perez is doing tapas Tuesdays. He's a troublemaker he is it right at the bloomin our bridge tapas Tuesdays. It's kind of like a I don't know. It's another bike. Happy Hour ish thing. If you can't make Wednesdays go to tapas Tuesdays if you buy who brings the tapas, it's at a bar. I don't have to say Barbato yawn. Oh, yeah, that plays the Spanish place. Yeah. So they do if you buy a glass of wine, you get to dollar tapas. So Joe's into it, Joe's doing it, check it out. It's on the shift calendar just went live. So here I am promoting themselves.

So there we go. Okay, we're avoiding questions about who you are. Shoot, well

then don't Okay.

Fine. I grew up in New York. I went to college in Walla Walla, Washington, which don't don't even ask how I got there from New York, but it happened. And I met my wife in college and she was from here. And we sort of were between here in Seattle, settling after college and Portland was cheaper, honestly. And felt friendlier. When was that your? When was that I

kind of know a range because you said then fine. I was gonna say because you said cheap and easy and friendly. So instantly put me in there like not? Oh, 206 ish. Yeah, yeah, I got here in Oh, four. So okay, similar.

I did a stint in Maine. Before that.

Oh, cool. Okay, I know that was hard for you. So thanks for sharing. Oh, no way you'd even say

When did you I made it. You made it here. When did I

When did you start? I want to say working at the shop only Konya the shop.

So I started working at the shop in 2010. Australia. Okay, yeah. And then I started co owning the shop in 2014.

How many owners are there now?

Three ish, three to two active

okay. Okay, that's a good segue to my our regular bit we do here every time even I sit down. What's new with the shop? What is going on at the shop? There's gotta be something you know, strange, interesting, annoying

yesterday, two days ago, there was a squirrel that led itself in, like literally came in through the front door. Like anyone might, but it was a squirrel and then it found its way into the basement. And we tried to chase it out and it you know, it didn't want to go

how big of a priority was it to get rid of the squirrel? Or are there people like love medium? Ish? I mean, cuz you could have a staffer there or somebody

this fall smelt like high summer. Wait, why? What is that? Man high summer is like very busy and

Oh, I see right with people in the shop. Yeah. And then you would have had a different level of urgency maybe to get rid of this little or whatever. They're not. Are they

like rats with furry tails?

Are they they're classified as rodents. Squirrels? That seems so sad. Tell you. They've gotta have a better anyway. So you had a squirrel in the shop? Is it still there? No. Your basement is legit. Y'all have like a real basement that

could live there forever. Maybe you've

been there. It's always been so tight and crowded that I didn't

know why I've been to your shed. I can take you to the basement I clever. Whoa,

cool. Okay, so the squirrel was there. It's good.

Nothing terribly exciting. Really like it left the next day. Yeah. Oh, another door.

Really was just like alright, so you buy it needed some food.

Hey, let it Yeah, let itself out. Is there a shop cat shop dog? No, but maybe we need one you could save the cat would be the squirrels out advantageous?

Portland a shop in Southeast Portland about a shop Cat.

Cat six had a cat but yeah, who else has cats?

I there's got to be more cats in shops does Tomcat Tomcat Tomcat has to have one but I need to find out now. I want to see. I'll do like a whole data visualization thing. What shops have cats What the what their names are? That'd be fun.

Yeah, what are my favorite treats aren't good. I'm gonna make a note minnows freeze dried minnows maybe for cats. My cat loves them. Really? Yeah.

I never I never thought of that. I just have a regular cat just eats it just eats its kibble. Okay, so let's see. How else can I work into the inner workings of the show? I

don't know what's new. Winter in terms of bicycles or something? Is there something cool? Yeah, we just we just got turn released a new HSD which is like, which is like if you had a Venn diagram of city bikes and cargo bikes, it's like the middle of the Venn diagram. Okay. Does that make sense? So like diehard the movie is like Christmas and action. And in the middle is diehard the movie so I see turn HSD is a city cargo bike? It's like this perfect marriage of the two.

Is this you saying that? Is it from like the sales meeting you went to for turn? That's pretty.

No this is me. I loved I heard the movie.

Oh. And I mean, I'm still trying to understand because I don't think of the HSD as a city bike at all. But is it gotten more skilled to use it what

I do around town? You don't have you don't carry a kid on the back? No, no, no, no, it's it's a hot. Like it's all stuff daily, right? Yeah, it is. Whatever you want to make it.

Is there anything new about the new HSD? Like looks radically different? It has

a Bosch smart system, which is like a little more sophisticated. And has more conductivity with the motor? In the motor. Yeah. Cool. Yeah.

So it just a little more sensitive to your inputs and all that and kind of knows what you feel. It's just like smarter. Your bio rhythm. Like, you feel you just, you're just not feeling too great. Today. I can tell I'm gonna give you a little more juice a little bit of steam. Yeah, yeah. Who when you said smart system, I instantly thought of like, like it was an auto shift or something.

And auto mode, just kind of like it just knows how much help you want. Oh, oh, yeah. Okay, but it's not auto shifting.

Okay. Good, because I don't I don't know if that's ever I know. There are some auto shift systems. But I feel like the bike industry has been trying to do that for so long. And I wish they would just kind of give up. I mean, it's not I

remember that track. Lime. That was the auto shift.

It was the line from the back. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. They were so excited about that. Do you remember they brought one to Portland?

I don't think I remember infomercials in the 90s that were like an auto shift bike. Do you like like Ron Popeil? And

look for all these links in the show notes? To the to the 90s YouTube video deep cuts? Yeah. I could just imagine how cheesy that would be. Let's see 90s That would have been maybe maybe they were trying to tap in what was it like to the Greg LeMond thing? Would it have been like that? Because you can

was very casual riding? That's what I remember. Anyways, yeah, so turn did have an auto shifting bike with an envy YOLO hub. So like stepless? Right? gearshift? Okay? It for people who are bike nerds, they like to shift. I'm gonna like people who drive cars and like to have a manual, right versus on automatic. So yeah, it's a trade off.

Yeah. Again, unless nowadays, like, you know, with apps being connected, and like, if it could plug right into my battery in my system, and it it knows, after a while, like with AI, can you imagine an app with AI that runs the auto shift? And after like, a couple of weeks of being on your bike, it would like know how you like to, because that's for me, the thing is, like, Look, I I know, when I want to shift and how and I do not want any leg in that decision. Like I want it to happen when I want it to happen. So I'm not going to be excited about otter shift because it's never going to be when I think but if AI.

I'm imagining this and I'm kind of like is it? Do we actually want AI to do it for us? Or do we just want to feel like we have control? Are you using AI in the shop and any other ways that are interested in Oh, Dean downloaded the thing for the email and I used it twice. And I was like this

whole really like, like a weird like a customer response. Yeah, management system thingy.

Yeah. Oh, it's, it's bizarre. Okay, all right. Well, we, we do have templates where it's like, if you answer the same question, like, at times we make, we make like a template, you know,

I'm just thinking of all the can I see those those of you find those might be I can find those for comedic content. I'm just thinking of the things that shops get, you know, past repeated custard with adult just riding along culture of like, I don't know what happened. This thing just is on the fritz. I'm okay. Okay, what about Brompton de

Brompton de it's tomorrow, it's tomorrow.

Now I have to hurry up and edit this. We can get it out. It's we are talking on Thursday. What is it? October 12? I think so. Okay. So Brompton days Friday the 13th. Yeah, what is Brompton de Eva?

What is Brompton? What isn't Brampton day? Well, Brampton day is number one, it's a bike ride. Number two, they're bringing their 1 million production bicycle to Portland, signed by Andrew Ritchie. And will Butler Adams so Andrew Ritchie is the inventor. The A nerd behind the brand.

So he saw Okay, yeah, no offense to him. I don't know the story of totally,

I met him in 2013. He's probably, he's probably getting up there. By now

I have so much respect for Brompton, oh my gosh. Okay, so go on. And then

we'll Butler Adams, who's the CEO, who I feel like has done a lot to make Brompton big and like at more of a household name in the bike industry. So the millions Brompton is coming, we're going for a ride, we're going to a bar afterwards and we're gonna give away a bike.

Cool. The middle is the millionth Brompton, what's it what's it? What's it looked like? They know they've done some cool they do cool finishes. I know that I love their raw one that they have. Yeah, I mean, what is the millionth one I have? Is it like

British? I'm pretty sure it's it's red and black, which was like the original. Oh, really color scheme?

Man prompt and so great. And it's interesting. You say that about the CEO. I don't I haven't followed that company really close. And I'm actually more I'm actually less connected to the bike industry than it used to be. But I can sense that Bromptons did take a big leap. I don't know if it's because I'm in the clever cycles bubble. And I just like you're like one of the best Brompton dealers anywhere and it's they're always so beautifully displayed in the shop. So I don't know if I'm speaking from like, that Portland bubble. But yeah, I feel like they just kind of like went to the next level. And now all of a sudden, they've just managed to maintain this level of like, utility, but like this coolness and like urban stuff, and, you know, I think with folders, like the thing was always like they just weren't. I don't know, they just they were kind of not as cool. Maybe that's only like the US version. And maybe in the UK. They've always been cool. I don't know. But anyway, Bromptons are cool. And they've like yeah, I feel like they're which is awful.

I don't know if they've always been cool. Cool that you think they're cool.

Okay. shoots. Yeah, in my view? No, I

think that's incredibly I think Todd Farner is like the reason that we know Brompton

probably Yeah, yeah. It's such an innovator. Clever has been an innovator in general. But yeah, Todd brought a lot of that's one of the former co

Yeah, Todd and I were business partners along with Dean. Yeah, back back when?

Yeah, that I have to just share the little backstory. I can't with clever, which was like, in this may not be exactly how it happened. But I think it was around 2006 or seven or something. When, when I saw the first buck feets in Portland, there's this this person was writing it on Broadway, actually. And I like I literally chased her down. It was kind of sketched to do that. But like, I was like, What in the hell is that thing? And I think I don't know what your that was. Now. I can't remember. Oh, six, seven, maybe something like that. Yeah. Early Days of like Portland. But it was during like, this time when we were looking to we were looking at the Dutch stuff as like, that's like Shangri La. Right. And so I didn't know it was Dutch at the time when I saw it, I don't think but anyway, chased her down and asked her about it was about feats. And I did like a post about it. And it there's so many nerds came out of the woodwork after after we posted that. And I want to add a couple of them were Dean and Todd that were just like, there were several people in town in that era that were just like absolutely crazy for Bach feats and cargo bikes. Absolutely. And it was super cool. And they just went for it. And yeah, got a crate. Do

you remember who that was? The woman? Yeah, I

don't actually her pictures on bikeportland. I never learned her name. And a lot of times people bipartisan wasn't didn't quite have the footprint that Ben it has now. So I think if I would have done that now, I would have ultimately found that person and because we're all connected through social media, but she probably has no idea she was ever on the site. But yeah, I feel like that was such an exciting time. I have actually a tag of stories of archives called just like the Dutch bike invasion. So if like you Google Dutch bike invasion, it'll probably show up all the bikeportland coverage about how the first book feeds got here and clevers role in that which was awesome. I think like, we're talking like in a garage, Dean and Todd, were just like, these things are cool. Portland's the next city for these we're bringing them over and it launched this whole thing which is like clever, still such an awesome shop. And now you're doing these little tiny bikes that fold up and can fit inside of about feet. So

there's no better pairing is that

it is pretty cool. When you see that right? You see the the back feets been with the with the Brompton folded up inside of it. Awesome. Okay. So Brompton de million Brompton days Friday, yeah. And if if you don't get to make it if you hear this and it's past Friday, the 13th of October. There's always really fun events going on. And clever host events now and again. So, note again, stay tuned. Stay in touch. I'm late. Let's shift gears. I will say that on a bike podcast, It's so cheesy.

This is where you insert the sound of

the little freewheeling squeaking. Ah Gosh. Like every every local TV news story has to have the B roll of like the bike freewheeling and it's just yeah,

so cringy it's like an old Schwinn free wheel or something. Yeah.

Or a little bell. How do I not have a bell sound effect on this podcast? I'm gonna have to change that. Okay. Um, oh, okay, we can kind of stick to Hawthorne. Yeah. Hawthorne city just put out these evaluations of the two big Hawthorne projects that they did in the last couple years. Which one of them's right in front of the shop. Yeah. So the thing where they put the put the protected bike lane from, you know, basically the river to 12, which is like 2021. And then they did the whole controversial one, the whole Pavan paint one, which was like, I think 26 to 50 or something. They just released like a couple, like a couple hours ago, like their evaluations. And they say, well, the city says, everything's going great. But I think it's interesting. They say, you know, this, the both projects have been successful, lowering speeding, that transit times are more reliable and faster. And I don't think there's anything about safety specifically anyway, as somebody who is on Hawthorne a lot. How has that, like, how's that protected bike lane thing worked for you? Do you think it's improved how people drive on Hawthorne as a good bad?

I think probably people are speeding less. It's confusing.

I think so far.

It's it's one of these things where like, you're in a city, you're constantly getting an influx of people from elsewhere. Right. And those people are confused. Yeah. And we have comedy club just above us. So like, people are getting dropped off by Uber and driving around looking for parking. And that, that gets a little confusing for people to write. I think the main conflict conflicts happen at intersections, right, where you're trying to cut, you're trying to go north, like across Hawthorne. And it's difficult because there's you're you're sort of doing that Frogger thing. Oh, I

see. Because the you have the bike lane next to the curb, and then the parked car.

So there's that but then there's also the right turns are the cars turning right across the bike lane? That's that's the other conflict. I mean, to me, like, it would be perfect if there was no right turn allowed off of Hoth off of off of Hawthorne, or maybe from that lower portion. Yeah, right. Yes. Because everyone's going kind of fast. Because it's like just a little bit downhill.

Like bike riders are going faster than you expect. Yeah, for sure. That's, that's the worst. Yeah. High speed bike bike riders on slight downhill the

only other the only other confusing thing is just like people don't really understand where they're supposed to

park. These people so park in the bike lane, like in front of your shop. I mean, I've been in for

as much is there are enough people around? They don't. But occasionally, we have a truck driver that pulls up right into the bike lane. And we have we just do the like, you know, yeah, end of the forehead thing.

Okay, let's, let's people get the wrong idea that we're just like complaining about the design of like inner Hawthorne? I think it's actually I think it's cool. Because the rose lane is love. Yeah, that's great. And I love the wider bike lane. Because we have to remember what it was like before. Yeah, standard bike lane. No doors on on one side, you know, drivers on another. So it's kind of like one of the prototype sort of parking protected bike lanes that the city has. And yeah, it's such a wide. That's that one way it's just so wide on. I do think obviously people have, you know, less space to dry, they tend to drive more slowly. So I I like it, it's not perfect, but it'd be neat if they came through and made it actually higher quality that this is like a topic on all these, these plastic flex post,

putting in some concrete or something. Yeah,

making it beautiful that so it can like communicate better to people and be a little bit more like self self enforcing to people I think I think the city's really getting into trouble with that, as we saw like down on Broadway. You know, I think that's one of the big reasons why you know, hotel, people are mad about it. Some of them at least, it just doesn't look good. And the signs are always getting hit. The flex posts are not very permanent. It doesn't really communicate anything. Certainly doesn't communicate like, you know, we respect and expect you to be bicycling, and we're gonna roll out the red carpet. It's kind of like, Yeah, you should ride there's kind of this thing we just threw up really quick. So I'm hoping more stuff looks like NATO, which was definitely more of like a nice, a nice thing. So

yeah, NATO is very comfortable. But you also you have this advantage of like, you're completely protected by the park. Yeah, nobody needs to get across that

space. Right. So they could kind of go hog wild and just not worry about intersections and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, speaking of Broadway. Also tomorrow morning bike Broadway day. Yeah. Which I don't think I'll have this edited enough by them. But we'll, uh, by the time you hear this, you have a deadline, idiom tomorrow morning, bike Broadway, by cloud PDX local advocacy nonprofits going to be out there. Kind of just hanging out Harvey Milk and Broadway to kind of just run remind everybody remind Portland that people really care about having protected space on Broadway. As maybe some folks listening to this heard there was this huge scandal, where the city was going to reverse the design of that I still can't say it without just like giggling and being shocked. And just like, wow, it was it was just, I still can't believe they thought they were going to do that. Yeah, I, the thing, I think too, is like, we obviously expose their plan that they were going to just do. So that was why was a big thing, then then when we expose that they tried to say that they weren't going to revert the design to the old configuration and all this stuff. It was really a whole fiasco, it's all on bikeportland, check it out. But the thing I keep thinking is like, if what did they think would happen if they just did it in the middle of the night? And we just rolled down to Broadway for something and it was changed, like, you know, what, I mean,

would have been easier if they could have done that?

They were going to do that it was that?

I know. She said like, what about night work? Or something? But

no, all the evidence we have shows that they were just going to start work. I mean, we have this record dump of emails that actually I haven't I haven't reported about at all, just because it's, it's, anyway, I'm still working to try to make some, you know, really clear stories about it. But you can see even more so in there, that there were there, the maintenance people, the head of maintenance was basically saying, we're ready to go, our people will be happy to do this work. And they're talking about there, they were there was it was happening, they're making their plans. And everybody you could just tell by the back and forth of the the Pbot staff was like, you know, they were basically just, you know, laying the groundwork to to get the job done. So I've just like, it's, you know, it's one thing if they would have just said this at a meeting, and we would have all been like, well, what are you talking about? This is This is crazy. You wouldn't you can never do that, like, Well, why do you want to reverse the design on Broadway? But but the fact that they're going to try to do it just like in the dead of night or whatever, or like without telling anybody? Like, I just can you imagine I could just imagine like, my phone and the text coming in? Jonathan, the bike lane on Broadway is totally gone. And it's back to the old design like, yeah, that would have just been absolutely, I would have just been so much more angry. Is

that happened anywhere? Like is that a thing that's happened with other road projects,

nothing that's just been like, first of all, that high profile that big of a change, and then done like, in a quick way like that, that without any kind of warning. I mean, we you think about like what they just did over on Northwest Overton when a when a business complaint. They had a they had a thing in their business complaint, but we were kind of aware of what was going on the city decided to kind of revert the design because the business was mad. Right. And that was also not as important of a piece of the bike lane. I mean, like Broadway is literally the most marquee bike street it should be. Yeah, we should be spending all of our energy on that bike lane to like, that's literally I mean, you have the Portland marquee it goes right by like so. It's such a symbolic Street, we should, hopefully we will eventually pour all of our best effort and time and money in making that really, really good. So, anyway, that's happening tomorrow morning. They're gonna have a celebration down there. I'm curious what you think Eva? Do you think? In your being someone who's been maybe reading the stories or just a generally interested Portlander? You also do some like volunteer stuff with bike loud? Are you on the board? Yeah. Okay. So, in your mind, what do you where do you think the bike? Where do you think the Broadway story is? Like, is it done? Like, are you thinking like, is there a big unanswered question in your mind? Or like, what? Where are you at with it?

I mean, for me, I feel like I was less like, I don't know, if you talk to Kyle about this. He was just like, he was gonna like, Yes, he was like a little Tasmanian devil or something?

Oh, no, I've talked to him a lot about it, for sure.

And I tend to sort of want to like step back and look at things but I know, I know, it was sort of like we needed to act very quickly. And there was a lot of action happening in a very short period of time. If you ask anyone that's not in the bike world about it. They are clueless. Yeah. So it is sort of such a weird, niche thing, because nothing actually happened. Right. You know, in the physical world, nothing happened. Right?

Yeah, it's funny you say that? Because, yeah, so there was no other like, when it was happening in those two weeks. Like there was no other media coverage of it. Yeah. Which part of me was kind of like, I wish someone had picked it up because it like makes me feel good. And it's good for my ego. And I think it would have pressured the commissioner lot more right. And when other media pick stuff up, they they're going to politically it's a different calculation. But in hindsight now I'm like, even even though like a lot of people outside this, but first of all, I think the the footprint of bike Portland and like, who cares about bikes in Portland is always more than what people I think, expect. Like we're in this bubble of thinking it's these advocates are the people that comment on like Portland or by cloud, whatever. It's like, there's so many like we saw there's so many people in Portland who care about this stuff. And the word the phone tree spreads, you know, pretty quick But so like in hindsight looking back even without other media so we can actually look at this I can look at this in terms of like my little ego thing of like, all the like pressure we put on City Hall, which was a tremendous amount. And all the pressure we put on the agency itself to get the director to apologize and basically backpedal within hours of the first story. That all came from just us that was just by port. Yeah, yeah. So it's interesting, right? It wasn't like, anyway, that's my own little inside thing. Like,

it just shows. That bike. That bike lane is yes. It's so important. Yeah. So many people are using it. Yeah.

Yeah, I think it's been a real heavy No, I even before that, I've noticed like a shift in tone of, of advocates where people are just sick and tired of like, the plastic and the, in the lack of protection. So it happened, the Broadway thing happened in this context, right? Like, we just had that really crazy video that right that woman on Northwest 21st Getting hit Jesus Christ. And it was only live for like, a couple hours. And that thing was just like, took off. This is a I'm talking about this thing where someone sent me a video of like a dash cam. From a car, a captured video of a person getting hit that there was they were biking south on 21st. Which is it folks? No, it's like this flex post protected two way bike lane that goes over 84. And someone was coming around the corner and just didn't even really make the turn and just slammed right into this woman. Luckily, the car was small. Another topic is like, if that was a big truck with a big square grill, it would have been a different story. And she just put this woman got flipped in the air like three times. And it was all on video. Like it's so rare to have that video. And the people that sent it to me were so eager to find the person because a person kept driving was a hit and run. And they were really keen on finding the person. So I had it out everywhere. Social media was like tons of people were watching it. And it shocked people so much just to see that like visceral like reaction of like, oh my gosh, and you could kind of hear it. And then as soon as they caught the person who did it, the people who they just demanded that it was taken down and and so it's like a rare thing where I had to go and just basically scrub all Yeah, scrubbed it all from the internet, which was kind of not not my favorite thing to have done. But even so it was like it left such a mark with a lot of people who saw it all you had to do is see it once and you could not free. Oh, yeah, I saw it. So um, I mean, Are you sensing that to like people? People just kind of like hell no, like, yeah, like,

do you want protection ideas? Like, you know, these are people that had our infrastructure have been different? might still be, you know, walking and talking.

I know. Yeah. Yeah. And there hasn't been a lot of talk about protecting those sidewalks. Like that was my whole thing after the genie Diaz. You know, death. This is, you know, Taylor and Cesar Chavez 343 months ago or so? June, July 15. I think it happened. waiting at a bus stop. car goes out of control driver goes out of control anyway. Yeah. City city was saying how hard it's going to be to to protect that sidewalk. Because the only thing you can do

is sidewalks like a foot wide. Yeah.

I mean, either you go into someone's backyard, because there's houses next door, which they're not going to do. Or you have to you have to change the lane configuration, which you know, the city? I think they would do, but it would they're saying at this point, it would take this massive consensus from the neighborhood, which anyway, there's a lot of work to be done there. Yeah. Maybe it can be a feature by cloud agenda meeting agenda item? I don't know.

Okay, it's a lot of things on the agenda. I know

Michael has been so busy. It's so fun. There's so much going on with my cloud these days. Folks should plug in check it early. Yeah.

There's there's a lot happening. growing fast. I think so. And a lot of people that care and are willing to just throw hours and hours of time at writing letters. And

it's good. A lot of this stuff is just time and letters and testimony. I've been noticing like I've been loving seeing at city council almost every week since y'all came out. I think it was after God is there was this letter and one of the things that

because Lois Lane like Yeah, yeah. Kind of advocated for that.

Some Yes. But it was a coalition. It wasn't just by cloud. It was several other groups. Oregon walks. I don't know if oppo, I think was a part of that. I don't know the street trust was on that or not. But there was a coalition where one of the three 350 PD 350 But it was this idea that we need to get into City Hall more often and do our testimony at the open comment period. On Wednesday mornings, were just so smart because like, I mean, I tend to kind of keep track of those meetings just in general if anything's happening. And there's always the cranks in those things like the people that are just like, you know, the haters, they're always showing up to that and just getting some pretty good FaceTime with the mayor and council and there's never been a concerted effort from transportation people or Streets Safe Streets people to have that space and it's like free. It's awesome free lobbying. I mean, it's kind of like in a way you know, the real lobbying happens and you know, Higgins downtown restaurant and bathrooms and stuff you know, as we're finding out, but for the poor As you can just show up Wednesday morning, you don't have to. Yeah, you don't have to buy anything. But you can show up and go, but it's but it's had a big impact. There's been some fun exchanges, some interesting exchanges, like just yesterday. Sarah Visser? I think she's also done some stuff with iCloud. Yeah.

She She just joined as a board member. Oh, great.

Yeah, she she's had some some great testimony. And it got this amazing response from Mayor Wheeler, like he was forced to kind of not force but he's a responsible human being who thought here's a smart woman talking and I'm gonna address her concerns, like any good politician should, even though he's the only one that did it. And the transportation Commissioner maps didn't say anything. She talking about where funding comes from. She had a lot of stuff for three minutes was hacked. And she was pretty pointed the critical of them for not doing enough to you know, protect people basically and make the streets safe. And Wheeler had, I think, a really solid response. Like he's the best transportation advocate on city council right now. There's a bike Portland story about that you can read, I'll put the link in the show notes. It says Mayor wheelers, the best bike advocate on city council, and quite a number of people didn't like that. I said that because they don't want me to say anything. Nice. Mayor Wheeler, you

daily even was sort of like Yeah, maybe. Maybe he is.

Yeah, he's he's actually smart about this stuff. And he's thoughtful, and he about it. And he rides a bike and he kind of I think he just gets transportation. It's kind of wish he had it in instead of maps. But anyway, yeah. So that those have been some really good exchanges. And that's been, that's been nice to see. Okay, kind of on that note. Are you ever been to the Alice awards? The street trusts big fundraiser benefit thing?

I'm going on Saturday? You are I have been before a long time ago. Oh, really?

What? What's your general impression? Well, I'm

trying to remember the one I went to was probably like, 10 years ago. So I don't have a strong memory. There was like Silent Auction. cruise around upstairs. There was buffet there was 2013. The food was not very good. Yeah. It was some venue kind of down in the pearl ish.

I do not have the year of street trust and the venue like committed to memory 10 years ago, I mean, 2013. That was those were some times that was one year before the peak. Yeah. And then it all went came crashing down. No. Yeah. So it's just it's fundraiser thing.

When were you last there? Oh, probably, actually, last year. Okay,

I would go every year. Yeah, if I'm in town, I'll go. For the most part, I probably skipped a few years here and there. I like to just go to see who's there and to hear, to hear how street trust characterizes things. And, you know, whoever's their leader in the moment, like, just what their vibe is. And is it any special guests, it's become a lot less substantive in recent years, I'll say, it used to used to be a little bit more of a thing. I mean, they used to sell like hundreds and hundreds of tickets to like the convention center. Like, back in the day, of course, there were a lot more people biking and biking, occupied a much larger space in Portland. In general. Yeah, it makes sense. But, yeah, it's, it's really nice. Anytime you can get a lot of different types of the bike, transportation, you know, seem together, the nerds and the planners and the T are they

trying to be like, it's I don't know, I feel like it used to be more expensive.

I think that's probably gone up and down. But they've definitely heard that.

I mean, it's trying to make it more financially expensive, accessible,

I mean, accessibility and like maybe in an acknowledging the inequities of people's finances is a much more bigger like a much bigger thing than it used to be. Right? That was never probably considered much at all back before 2015 16 When people really started to internalize like the idea of equity and now that's been grown more and more. So yeah, it's definitely more affordable now. And it's cool. The the thing that I miss is they used to not announce the winners until you win. And it was I know, it was weird. I guess I email and I was kind of like, oh, yeah, okay, so we have to cross those t's and dot those eyes. Shawn Martina Yeah, Shawn Yeah, so great. I'm so glad he's getting recognized. Yeah. Although he is everywhere all the time. He's everywhere. Although it's it's less I'm I'm super glad he's getting the award. But I I wouldn't I would have it would have been a bigger deal to me if before he actually got a job in the biking advocacy world because now I feel like we've got him like that's how I look at the community. I'm like, when there's really good people like Sean it's like we got to figure out a way to keep those folks around so they don't like have to go work more their other job and they can't spend time doing great bike stuff but But John's working I think like it's cycle Oregon doing bike education all over the state which is so perfect for him and awesome. And now he this is like a another sort of thing that's gonna like keep him pulled in and committed and dedicated and awesome. Not that he needs it because somehow that guy endless energy you gotta go follow him on Instagram. Yes, here's the one of the best follows staggered underscore stripes. I'll put the link in the show. Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, he's he's great. Do And great stuff. And the other winners are Metro Counselor, Juan Carlos Gonzalez. Good guy. From what I can tell I have never really sat down and chatted with him a lot. We've had some phone calls. Seems seems solid. I know he's, he was the one counselor back when we were having these discussions about I five rows, quarter of freeway expansion project, he came out and said he'll never vote for freeway expansion, something like that. And then he ended up voting for one with some qualifications not that long after but anyway, so he has, I feel like you know, I need to learn more about sort of why they why they gave him the award, and you can I will be able to read all that stuff on the street trust you nominate people. Not this year. I don't nominate anyone this year, just mostly out of laziness. I mean, I could Yeah, I could have I should have I think I thought of nominating some people. Yeah, I didn't nominate someone nominated me because I got two things, saying that I was a finalist. I think everybody that got nominated probably got that email that said you were a finalist. But you didn't win. Right. But it was a really nice letter. Actually. gratulations I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, I won it in 2007. So you can't I don't think you can win again. Although I don't think they keep their records up. So it would have been kind of a coup if they gave it to me twice and didn't realize, yeah, they would be like, Oh my gosh, he's a double winner. We've never done it before someone forgot. Anyways. So literally, the you have your award and yeah, it's right. It's right over here. There it is with the toe clip and everything. So there it is. 2007 two after doing bikeportland for some MKS. Sylvan pedals. Yeah. The acceptance speech is still up on YouTube, by the way if anybody wants to watch it, um, wow. The other winners, two other winners Darcel RIP, RIP, Lee great Darcel. The world's not what is the qualifier? What is the superlative? What's the best superlative for Darcel the magic the most magical drag queen ever. Anyway, Darcelle I can't see this is one reason why I'm sorry. I'll have to miss it because I'll be gone this weekend or else I'd be at the street trust but I'd love to hear like what the what the speeches around are. So what people say. And the emcee is poisoned water. So yeah, sure. I'm sure there's gonna be a really nice tribute. A true a really nice tribute. Yeah, for Darcelle. So I'll miss that. And then illness city of Tigard. So they don't give away like three or four Alice awards anymore. They actually call them different things like Sean's was safe streets. Safety person. And then

the other one in the city of Tigard. Is because they've sort of adopted this ebike

Yeah, I think they're just generally cool. They have some great staff there. They're just generally cool. Yeah, they're just got like a good progressive vibe around transportation. Dave Ross, one of their people. He's awesome. He's he's been the bike said, Oh, no, Dave. Yeah, he's great. There's two Dave Ross. So don't get confused. There's the obrah official, the Oregon bicycle racing Association official Dave, great guy. He's always the guy at the start finish line, you know. And then there's the planner Dave Roth. Who's Who's awesome. Yeah. cargo bike and dad guy. Now he's out in Tigard. And they've done some really cool stuff. And that's also where Sean's from so maybe there was some.

I'm sure he's helped. Yeah. Okay.

Okay, so that's St. I should know more about why they're giving those folks the awards. But I haven't had that far in front of me. So I'm not gonna share anything more about that. But she dressed Alice awards. Cool. Check them out. Okay, moving on. Oh, here's a fun thing. And I know that you know about this, and I think we both learned about it today for the first time this story from the Muslimahs which is this local mountain climbing club, hiking club. Yeah, this thing from 1947. Some people, some mountain climbers put a bike in their backpacks with their buddies and hiked to the top of Mount Hood. And then like rode the bike around.

Yeah, is that and it's a 1938 like World Tour. So it's like a single speed. Coaster break.

That's an old that's 1940 It's this really cool thing. Here maybe yeah, I'll share the link and they they put it back together at the summit. took some pictures and actually tried to it looks like they were like cruising on the ridge up there at Oh, shoot. 14,000 something No. 11 Yeah, I got something. I got it. I have to know their elevation out. I feel like I'm getting totally losing my my point. So I mean, that's pretty awesome. They didn't write it down. Of course, you know, 1930 a bike window lasted that long. And that but that's super cool. I've heard of people biking, you know from Portland. Putting their bike Timberline and then hiking to the top and biking back story about that on bike Portland.

That's a long ride. Yeah,

that's it's awesome, though. It's really nice. I've never ridden I've never done that ride up. I've ever been up to Timberline but not like from Portland. Anyway. It's really that's really cool. But yeah, this story of especially 1940s. I mean, it's hard to put yourself in that frame in that era, where I mean In the bike boom in America is far gone at that point. It wasn't like, I just wonder who these people were and like, why they were so into their bike.

They were just having fun, you know, or just just having

fun. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously, they're just having fun. I

mean, it's free pedal Palooza, so they had to like, get it out somehow

true. I kind of want to know more about these people. I feel like there needs to be. I think

there's they might still be alive. Yeah, I mean, if there are people that were only like, 20 years old, then yeah.

Let's see the math. Yeah, they could be around. All right, I'm gonna have to do something about it. So maybe that we can get in touch with them. But anyway, that's a really cool story. I love that. Are you a big climber, mountain climber,

hiker? No, my father in law's like way into it.

Do you do? Do you mountain bike? No,

I have been mountain biking. I would not call myself a mountain biker biker. Okay. The first time I went mountain biking was on a single speed with no suspension. And it was rough in band

with so you can relate to the world tour. But

I definitely just like fell over because I went too slowly at some point. Yeah,

that's, that's what happens with momentum and inertia or whatever. I don't know, their physics thing is but you have to go faster than you think.

Turns out, if you decelerate to zero, you just fall over. Yeah, yeah.

That reminds me of when I when I when I first started racing mountain bikes. Long ago, I I used to have this sort of like theory where I felt like, if I went super fast and fell, I could still get back up and keep racing. And I would I could still like be doing well. Instead of going really slow down the hills. I had this thing where I would go really fast and crash at the bottom. It became kind of like a trademark. How does your body I don't know if I'd recommend that. But like, it actually was something I would think about. I'd be like, No, it's almost better to go be out of control and go fast and crash get up and then keep racing and you're still doing pretty well instead of just crawling down anyway, a little digression there.

I don't do racing. Okay. Okay. What

kind of biker Are you? Cat three. You're you're like you have a beautiful like your main rat. Your main bike is a what? Like a what is it like

today I wrote over on I have a Velo orange polyvalent stepped through so it's like a very I don't know city bike step through city bike with Dynamo lights. White tires, fenders basket.

Yeah, it's cool. It's gorgeous. I really like it. Yeah. Do you have another go to bike that you ride?

I literally have two bikes right now. Nice. Okay, I have a Brompton multispeed Bronco,

practical. No, gosh, and you're and you're like, kona bike shop. Alright,

I've got I've whittled down. I think last year this time I had five bicycles. Yeah, I mean, on the acquisition ng phase of my life.

Really? Okay. Yeah, it's good. D acquisition. NG? Not a word.

Sure. Okay. I just made it up. Well, we're,

we're D acquisition ng this episode. So

let's see here. It's like what do you use free for?

Yeah. Oh, another plug. Good. I love free. You see my tote bags free is

fantastic. I'm like a bag person like Craigslist very section. But it's an app.

It's nice. Yeah. And they are actually sponsored by Portland. So that's, that's all good. There tote bags are awesome. And we got him at happy hour a couple weeks ago. And like, I don't know, I just love a good tote bag. Yeah. So she like waterproof ones. And all this stuff. We'll have a whole we could have a whole chat about bike bags. And you know, I know probably a big fan of Lourdes luggage, which I know nothing about

Andy Schmidt how cool this guy

there's this what I hate about sometimes these days, the bike scene like there's literally stuff I don't know anything about and it drives me crazy. So he says

he never comes north of Powell. So that's why you gotta you gotta meet him down in Milwaukee. See, there's

so many more things to talk about. We could talk about Lourdes luggage, all kinds of other, we can explore our things we really like and collect.

I guess I might need to come back.

Yeah, you might need to come back. Any parting thoughts about your event in New York? You have been to New

Manhattan? I grew up in New York. That's right. You grew up in New York. Sorry, not in the city. But on the city. But yes, I have been in Manhattan. We think about I'm headed there next week. It's a pretty cool place. If I was going to live somewhere else in the United States that might be there.

Really? Yeah. Okay. Was last time you there? Spring. Okay. Any advice as I embark

eat food. People watch I love I just love people watching me too. I love taking the subway. The art. The art scene is amazing. Like if you like opera. Opera. Stop in. Yeah, just pop in for some opera. Maybe wear a tie.

Really actually bring a tie. Okay. I think I will never know.

Yeah, yeah. It's always better to overdressed than to under dress in New York.

I will. I will take that to heart. As someone whose fashion sense I actually respect Thank you. So I'll take that to heart. Believe it's been nice chatting Yeah, I think we'll probably do this again someday. I don't know. It depends on how the ratings come back.

Do you have a rating system? Nielsen ratings?

If you know if if nobody likes, if nobody likes it, then I'm just never gonna talk to you again.

Everyone five stars, please. Yes, rate review,

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Eva Frazier,

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