This week, Corey and Kendall dive into the Halloween wonderland of Melissa Lahr, an artist and diehard Beetlejuice fan who’s turning her love of spooky nostalgia into jaw-dropping props and unforgettable parties. From her Etsy shop to her annual Halloween fundraiser (think 200 people, costumes, and DJ vibes), Melissa shares how a childhood obsession with the Ghost with the Most became a creative outlet—and how horror helped her survive the darkest days of the pandemic.
We also talk practical effects, the timeless appeal of Tim Burton’s Beetlejuice, and the much-anticipated sequel that’s finally here. Don’t miss Melissa’s insights on the healing side of horror and her pick for the ultimate final person. Let’s just say, if you’re a fan of Ripley or Sidney, you’ll want to tune in.
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Melissa: Melissa, welcome to the podcast.
Melissa: Thank you. Very excited to be here and talking to you both.
Corey and Kendall: We're excited to have you but I do have one thing to say, and that is, Beetlejuice? Beetlejuice? No, I can't go all the way there. Kendall does not allow the juice to be loose in our house
Melissa: he's smart. He's smart. He's learned his lesson. Yeah. The juice is very loose in our house for sure.
Corey and Kendall: I can. I can see that. And so it's very timely that we're speaking. Not sure exactly when this episode is going to go live, but we're going to try to get it out as quickly as possible after we launch because in just a few days.
eetlejuice, the sequel to the:Melissa: It is here, finally. I can't tell you guys how much I've been looking forward to this. I am a long time fan, and I'm sure a lot of your listeners probably are too. It is an obsession that dates back to childhood. Just the, there's so much, and I will bore you with how much information I'm gonna have about this,
Corey and Kendall: Won't be boring me. It won't be boring to me.
Melissa: I this has been like a a dream for them to come out with a sequel for a long time for me.
Melissa: And it was really a interesting opportune moment of it happening this year. So in the last really two and a half, three years, I started a business on Etsy and in my background and the stuff that I do, and I, and would love to talk to you guys about that is I have an art background, like I went to art school that I was one of those people who started off in nursing and then was like, what am I doing?
Melissa: And ended up getting an art degree and then got out there and started getting into like commercial art. I have a graphic design background and like working with customers and stuff. It sucked all the passion in the life out of doing a creative art as a job. And so I really took a 180 and went very kind of corporate.
Melissa: But I I work for a software company now. I run like a program management department for a pretty big Fortune 500 company. And in the last couple of years, specifically around the pandemic I was stuck at home by myself. I'm single, I live alone, and I didn't know what I was going to do with myself.
Melissa: For somebody who had a really robust social life, the pandemic was And so I started leaning back into my art roots and I started making art again. I started sculpting. I started really getting that kind of tactile hands on stuff and started making masks and props and that, Really kicked off an entire trajectory for me.
Melissa: But the entire reason why I started doing that is because I wanted to set up, I set up a Halloween display every year. I really wanted to go big and I wanted a Beetlejuice theme and I wanted to be able to learn how to make the shrimp pans. That was the entire thing. And so when people say, Oh, you've got to be so excited about Beetlejuice coming Beetlejuice coming out.
Melissa: I'm like, no, you don't understand. This has been like a 10 year, 10 year trajectory for me, like being able to do this and then it just happening that the sequel happened in the same year that I launched kind of a side business. I, it literally, it was written in the stars.
Corey and Kendall: a friend of ours from our other podcast, Family Twist Lori introduced us and she sent me your Instagram and the first thing I saw were those shrimp hands and I was like, Ooh yes. Just to give you a little bit of background on my love of Beetlejuice. So when the movie came out in 88, I'm sure I'm not, I don't remember who took us to see it, but me and my brother and sister, we all went to see it.
Corey and Kendall: And then, back in the eighties, like VHS was not like go to Walmart and buy one for 9. 99, right?
Corey and Kendall: I won a VHS copy of Beetlejuice on 113. 3 KHTR in St. Louis. So excited. And me and my siblings I'm sure we wore that tape out,
Melissa: Oh, easy. Easy.
Corey and Kendall: Yeah. And just I don't know. There was just so much about it.
Corey and Kendall: It was we'd already been introduced to Tim Burton through Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Our Uncle Ken took us to see that. And so we were already like, Oh man, this guy he's something else. And, but that, but Beetlejuice is just like, what is going on? There is so many crazy things in this movie.
Corey and Kendall: And it was rated PG and Michael Keaton dropped an F bomb right in the middle of So anyway, that there's just a little background on My love of Betelgeuse. And I was already into horror, when that came out. But it was just like, this is something that I could share with my siblings, so yeah, it's. Yeah, Beetlejuice has definitely got a special place
Corey and Kendall: in our hearts.
Melissa: one of, one of, one of the things that I think always appealed to me about it was and I know I've read this since, that it was really considered a very low budget production for the movie studio, right? This was Tim Burton was Was he, what was he coming off of previous to that?
Melissa: I'm trying to think of the movie that he'd done but they were this hasn't really gone to market yet and so we don't really know how well that is going to go. So we're gonna give you a couple million bucks and go see what you can do with it. And I think it was the stripped down component of the set design.
Melissa: They really went very practical effects. Very I have redone my entire house to look like this on a pretty substantially small budget. Just being able to do things with paint techniques, being able to do things that are a little bit more turn on the normal.
Melissa: Like just going to thrift stores and purchasing stuff at the thrift stores. Like a lot of what they leaned into was that very kind of practical effect, practical set design and dressing in a way that I felt was always just very accessible. And, but then also dramatic, you I, I joke about this now because I have a pretty modern aesthetic home overall.
Melissa: I have a new home. It's, we just moved here about four years ago. And I noticed setting up and like getting ready for Beetlejuice, a lot of Delia Deet's aesthetic in this house really just doesn't go away. Like it has become part of the permanent mode of the home. And I remember thinking in the 80s and 90s, watching the movie gosh, that place looks so weird and cold and I don't get it.
Melissa: And now as an adult, I'm like, Yeah, actually this works well for me, I loved that about the set design and the dramatic lighting and the way that they approached just that very almost craft level of set design. I, there's just something very unique about the way that looks and the way that they presented it for the movie that just, I love.
Melissa: It's part, it's a huge part of what I love about the movie. Obviously the acting and the script and the even the soundtrack is fantastically done. But there's something about the way that presents and the visuals in that movie that just really speaks to my heart.
Corey and Kendall: We love home haunters, here. Kendall's sister did a haunt for many years. And I would love to hear a little bit about how you decided to, to do a big do it big up for Halloween.
Melissa: it's funny. I used to work I did creative agency consulting for years before I went to work on the product side of the house. And I was always traveling. I was on the road 42 weeks out of the year. It was never around. And so getting a chance to see friends when I would come home, that wasn't like a, Hey, Corey and Kendall, let's get together and have dinner.
Melissa: It was like, how can I fit 27 people all at the same place at the same time? And so originally what I would do is I'd have a big barbecue in the summer. I live in Georgia. I'm in the South. We're a big barbecue kind of culture around here. And I had a really nice outdoor area and I'd have people over, we'd girl out and everybody get a chance to sit around and visit.
Melissa: And the first year I ended up doing a Halloween party I had to travel. The normal time I would have done this, I had to be out of town. We had a big client that was launching a new website and so I had to be on site for it. And so it was creeping into the fall and I thought, I've never been a girl to back away from a costume party.
Melissa: And I thought, I'm a big horror fan. I like anything that is Halloween related. And I always have from, a young age. And I thought, I want to recreate. Something just approximation of what I saw on things like Hocus Pocus and, that, that sort of practical magic where you've got like the town all decorates and there's, I always wanted to live in a place where, and you guys are in New Hampshire, so you get that a little bit, right?
Melissa: That culture of fall and Halloween and the community really gets into it, and I live in the middle of the Bible Belt. No one does that around here. And so I was like, that's going to be me. Like, why are you bemoaning the fact that no one does it? It needs to be you. And so the first year I had a pretty small party.
Melissa: I think it was only like 20, 25 people. And everybody at the end of the party said this was such a fantastic party. We, everyone came in a costume. We had horror themed treats and there was, the dead body charcuterie board and we had, bleeding heart jello molds, it was like, everybody really leaned into it and had such a great time and I thought, this is what I want to do instead.
Melissa: And so I started setting up these parties and they just got bigger and bigger and two, three years ago I, I thought, I have been very blessed with the work that I do. I'm very well compensated. And I thought I want to use this as an opportunity to make some money for somebody else.
Melissa: And I partnered with a local lady who runs a dog rescue organization here in Atlanta. Two of my animals, actually all three of my dogs, I have three dogs. And a very small eight week puppy behind me that I hope will sleep through this podcast. We've got don't know if you can see, there's two of, two of them.
Melissa: And so the two of them, I wanted to be able to give back. And so I said, I'm gonna, I'm going to host this party. I'm going to have raffles this, the last few years we've been charging tickets, but the money a hundred percent goes to the rescue and I pay for everything out of pocket.
Melissa: We have it catered. There's a DJ, there's like a whole thing. We shut down the street. All my neighbors come it's turned into this, 200 people show up at this thing and have a raucous good time. And we raise a ton of money and my employer matches whatever we make. So we've been able to do some awesome things last year.
Melissa: The organization that I work with is called forgotten paws, dog rescue. They primarily gear towards senior animals. And so she said, we paid off all of our vet bills with the money that you guys raised. that is such a huge thing, like to be able to do that. And I get to be surrounded by 200 of my closest friends.
Melissa: I
Corey and Kendall: that's amazing. Yeah. You're speaking to our hearts because we're we're crazy pet people too. We've got six dogs in the room with us right now. They're tiny. They're tiny and only one of them is, was not a rescue. One of them was a puppy that I wanted for my 50th birthday when COVID ruined it.
th birthday in:Corey and Kendall: And they're all their marketing and outreach, at least back when I was with them was all around rescues and shelters. And through a couple of people at the company, we started the Bay Area Pet Fair back in 2011, which is still going on. It's gone virtual, but it's still going on. And I don't know, there's cast me up to 5, 000 adoptions at this point just
Corey and Kendall: through the pet fair. So work end of that work very closely with a senior dog organization called Muttville. Still friends with a lot of the people from the organization. Yeah rescue is in our hearts for sure. So awesome that you're
Corey and Kendall: doing that.
Melissa: Yeah, it's Kismet, for sure.
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Melissa: life better yes.
Corey and Kendall: We're getting down to the wire.
Corey and Kendall: Is there a theme for this year's party?
Melissa: Last year was Beetlejuice. We did Beetlejuice last year. I didn't know that we were going to have the sequel coming out. This year, we're doing it again, because, Obviously, it's it's timely, although I do have to say, I don't know if we're actually gonna end up having the party on the time that we originally thought we were going to this year.
Melissa: Earlier this week, we had a pipe burst in the house, and this is the one room that isn't a mess,
Melissa: and I don't know if they're gonna have the house fixed in time for us to do it, but everybody that I've talked to about it has said, look, I When the house is fixed, we will have the party.
Melissa: If that party is in January, we will be celebrating Halloween in January. And so it's a disappointment. It's, that was this, honestly, it's been the hardest part about this week, is to, this happened on Wednesday. It is just contemplating the fact that we might not be able to have that.
Melissa: But I'm comforted by the fact that during this period of time, I'm usually, it's the busiest season for me. I am constantly, I have my business, so that's going on on the side and producing stuff for other people for their haunts. But then trying to get set up for myself, it's just a mad dash to the day.
Melissa: And we don't open the house up early ahead of the party. I have a family night on Friday and then we have the party and that's it. There isn't like tons and tons of people coming throughout September and October. I can usually cut it right down to the wire, but that means it's a lot of work, right?
Melissa: And it's me. I do have some crew, I have crew that comes and helps me do setup. Family and friends have volunteered multiple years to come and do that for me. But I just didn't think with the timing, I don't know, we're gonna, we're not gonna be able to do it. So that's gonna give me some time to do other stuff.
Melissa: Go see other people's haunts, go visit some friends who are in the industry. I've got friends in Texas. Part of how I learned how to do mask making is I'm, my friend and mentor, Alan Hopps, runs Dark Hour Haunted House in Plano, Texas. And he does a wonderful thing called Monster Camp. Which is fantastic teaches you how to make masks, how to do the sculpting and the mold making and the casting.
Melissa: And he really taught me the fundamentals of how to do this so I could create my business and make my shrimp pans. And and I have not gone out to see Dark Hour. At least, I've gone out and seen it with the lights on, right? I've gone out and worked on collaboration projects with them and stuff.
Melissa: Yeah. But I've never actually been through the show because they don't open until the season. And so this is a great opportunity for me to hop on a plane on a weekend and go see some places and see some friends that I haven't been able to see their haunts. So I'm trying to spin it positively.
Corey and Kendall: Yeah. You seem like the type that can make lemonade out of lemons. And, another opportunity for you here is the new movie is coming out this week. So you can go see it a few times and conspire you to bring some stuff to the party whenever it happens from the sequel.
Melissa: Absolutely. I've, I have started, well, we've got tickets already for for the 4. 30 matinee is already locked down for opening day.
Melissa: The the, some of the early promo stuff I've been seeing, I don't know if you guys have seen the MGM's Canadian department has done like a whole campaign around the Shrinkers with the shrunken heads.
Melissa: And and that's one of my biggest sellers. I do I do the shrunken head from the original with the Hunter costume kind of situation. And And he's my top seller. And so I was so excited to see that they've done multiple versions of that for the new movie. So I'm like, how many times can I go see it and take notes?
Melissa: So I've
Corey and Kendall: Exactly. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. No, they've even got, I think that I think they call him Bob. I think he's runs Beetlejuice's office or something and he's on the poster. So they're definitely playing. So I love to see, we can already know that there's going to be some nods, to the original and the trailer just made my heart so happy because you could see all the practical effects in it.
Corey and Kendall: And, just seeing some of the. Early reactions coming from the Venice Film Festival, pretty much across the board have been great. I'm like, Oh good. I don't want to be disappointed because I was really, worried about the potential of a sequel, especially as the years go on.
Corey and Kendall: It's none of us are getting any younger. And it's what was it years ago? They're like, Beetlejuice goes Hawaiian style. I'm like, Oh, please, no, please don't ruin it. I think. These days we could use a little bit of nostalgia, especially if it's done the right way. And I feel like they wouldn't, they would have knows Burton and Michael Keaton and Catherine O'Hara and Winona Ryder.
Corey and Kendall: They wouldn't have said yes, unless it was doing it the right way. They didn't need to do this. None of them were hurting for work or anything like that. So it's, I love that all the. The stars came together, for this and yeah, just fingers crossed. I just have a feeling it's going to be great.
Melissa: I think it's going to be wonderful. And, You guys probably know as well as I do, we've had a couple horror genre franchises that have taken the wrong left turn, right? Like the sequels is Oh God, guys, really? Can we not ruin something else? I feel like having the original director and the original cast involved and like bringing that kind of collective mindset together, that was the key.
Melissa: And I think that part of the reason why it didn't ever come together was because they couldn't get all those people on the same page, right? That was needed to be the right project at the right time. And I also think to a certain extent some of this is us. I won't assume to know your ages, but I'm a Gen X kid, and I think that there's a lot of us that grew up with the original who are now coming into, our later adulthood or, I won't say later adulthood, but we're now in our 40s and 50s, and we're We are nostalgic for these things that are such a core foundation of our youth or the things that we're passionate about.
Melissa: Beetlejuice is a huge part of that for me, but also and I'm repping my shirt today. Return of the Living Dead, I have about 17 of these shirts, right? This is a, this is actually my favorite zombie movie, hands down. I will die on that hill. And so I feel like there's there's a lot of us who we want to lean back into that.
Melissa: We also, some of us have kids, right? We have children that we want to expose to that. My nephew is going to go with me to see the movie. He just turned 18. And being able to share that onto the next generation is a big deal too. And so I think that the timing was good for this to come out.
Corey and Kendall: Absolutely. For sure. Is there a character from the original that you find yourself really drawn to?
Melissa: It's interesting. I, so last year for my costume I went as the Sand Worm because I have been saying for years that the Sand Worm got a bad rap. But I actually think one of the most underrated characters in that movie is Otho. He's consistently the snappy dialogue the dress, the flair about that I love him.
Melissa: I love him so much. And I know that a lot of people, identify with the primary characters in the movie. I always identified more with Otho. He's a little bit of a shady kind of person, but he's also overly confident and carries it well. And I love that about him.
Melissa: I was like, I would love to be more like Otho. he's. He's He's he's
Corey and Kendall: Yeah. I mean, I was going to say Otha as I saw it coming out of your mouth and, oh yeah. The, the late great Glenn um, got to I've got a signed Otho I mean, you know, the, the they bring a lot to the movie,
Corey and Kendall: you know? Yeah.
Melissa: They really do. They round it out in a different way. I, I always loved Juno for the same reason. Those bit characters in the background, those background folks. Now I have a prop in my store. And I don't even know if it's actually his name, but the guy who got run over by the car, the flat guy, I call him Flat Stan Flat Stanley.
Melissa: Love him! He's just got this tiny little bit the entire waiting room scene might be hands down my favorite part of the movie, because you have all of these fantastic ways to die showing up, the guy who got bit by a shark, the fern doc with the chicken bone in his neck, there's all these kinds of nuances of shades of characters that I just, I love so much and being able to like, go through there, the smoking guy, like I made a prop of him last year.
Melissa: I laughed the entire time I was doing it. Like just, I'm trying to quit. It was just, there's so much about those little bit characters and the way that they wrote the dialogue around it that I just love. I love them.
Corey and Kendall: are on the Horror Heals podcast now, how do you relate to our theme of horror and healing?
Melissa: Horror, I think, honestly, helped keep me sane. Especially during the pandemic. This has been a, this has been a passion area of mine to begin with, but I think that period of time was really disruptive for me. I lived by myself, my parents, aging parents, we all live in the same area, but not being able to see them for an extended period of time or my sister and her family I really leaned back into horror And horror comedy, and, a lot of the places where you could play out, the demons, so to speak, by watching those, when you actually had real horrors going on outside, right?
Melissa: People were dying Multiple friends of mine work in the healthcare industry and they would come, they would come home at the day and we would have conversations over the phone and they would just be like, you have no idea how bad it is. What's going on in the hospitals. And these are people who are isolated.
Melissa: They aren't able to speak to their families. They're on ventilators. No one can go see them. They're passing, not surrounded by their loved ones. And it was traumatic. And then having to see it on the TV, combined with, Not a great political environment going on at the same time, right? It really felt like the world was imploding.
Melissa: And so I had to have a way of staying sane. And that was to go back and revisit those horror movies and the things that you could have a full trajectory of that life cycle of a problem to a solution and it was compressed into two hours, right? Being able to go through there and watch those things that, to a certain extent, gave me comfort, that was mental health.
Melissa: for me. Even seeing a therapist every other week during that period of time, I don't feel was as effective as going through and watching the movies that I really loved and getting my scares from a place
Melissa: of safety.
Corey and Kendall: Yes. You said it all. Absolutely. Yeah, I think a lot of us, you know, feel that way and not you know, through the pandemic, but I think you know, or is, is comfort you know, for Kendall and I, and has been for the, you know, the, nearly 20 years of our It's like, you know, we'll put like, what do we, You know, let's put on, you know, put on, the original Friday the 13th, let's put on you know, um, Psycho and just, you know, movies we've seen times, you know, to the point where, you know, we could just sit there and the dialogue along with it.
Corey and Kendall: But it is, it's just like, it's great. Like then you can just relax and it's just, you know,
Melissa: What is your number one comfort food horror movie?
Corey and Kendall: that I can just throw on any time and enjoy and find something a little bit different. Uh, and this is unusual one I think that not a lot of people would pick, but it's um, Exorcist III with George C.
Corey and Kendall: Scott. Um, there's just that movie. There's so much, the music is amazing.
Corey and Kendall: The performances are great. best jump scare I'll die on that Hill. and yeah, just Like I can put that on in the background and like, and like clean the side. So that, that to me, yeah. Like, I mean, there amazing movies, but I wouldn't call them necessarily like comfort food, like I'm not going to put on the original Exorcist and just be like, you know, cause there's, it's intense. uh, but exorcist You know, there's just something about one for me. Uh, evil dead. I
Corey and Kendall: just, I love I just, I've always loved that just series and um, Bruce it's just, yeah, I just love it. And it's not my favorite horror movie, but for comfort, it's the one, you know?
Corey and Kendall: Yeah.
Melissa: I think mine's Poltergeist. That's the one that I will put on over and over again in the background. The Return of the Living Dead, I get, I can't multitask. I have to sit down and watch it because I love it so much and it makes me laugh. So that's not great. That's not a great put it on the background one for me, but Poltergeist definitely is.
Melissa: And I feel like. One of the other ones that I really like putting on the background is Alien. I love the, I'm a big Alien fan and I know we've got like a new Alien movie coming out this, or has come out this year as well. I'm hesitant about it. I've heard kind of initial rumblings, but I'm still going to go see it in the theater and test it out.
Melissa: I didn't love some of the lighter versions of Sigourney Weaver ones. And they weren't like, Resurrection was not on my list. But I did what they did with like the Prometheus branch off. And so those are ones that I, I can always put that on the background and, if I happen to be like, it pops up, I can watch that little scene that I want to see, and then I can move on to my next thing.
Melissa: But yeah, those are my two go
Corey and Kendall: What are your thoughts on Return of the Living Dead 2?
Melissa: I, I'm a, I'm stuck on Return of the Living Dead. Return of the Living Dead 2 was good. I enjoy the entire series of the Living Dead. Obviously, the original George Romero was fantastic. And Night of the Living Dead. And and I love zombie movies anyway.
Melissa: They're I know a lot of people don't necessarily fit them into horror. I think that there's like at least a lot of the folks that I knew they're like, they're a sub genre culture within. Since it's more of the virus and you're passing on a disease kind of situation.
Melissa: But I love a good zombie film because of the fact that I feel like it's something that could actually happen, right? It's a little bit less of the creature. Same thing with slasher movies, any of the slashers, there's psychos all over the place. At any point, you can have somebody decide that they're gonna go, they did.
Melissa: We have an entire, a whole history of serial killers who've gone off and done, you maybe less dramatically inclined things, but along the same lines. And so I love that there was that thread of potential possibility. Like this could happen. I loved what they did with 28 Days Later and the series around that.
Melissa: But for Living Dead, Return of the Living Dead is going to, that's, I'm a diehard on that one. That is my pride. That is the one that I hold closest.
Corey and Kendall: Well, I on with um, wanting to do more, with that, uh, that it's like tied, tied up in legalities like that. I think Linnea Quigley is trying to um, revive, do a sequel So, yeah, that one that I can put on and just really enjoy and watch at least once a year.
Corey and Kendall: Oh, yeah. Um, I just, the are just great, you know, and the actors. James Cairn Gulliger are so good in that and Tom Matthews, you know, everybody. fantastic
Melissa: Absolutely.
Melissa: Absolutely.
Corey and Kendall: we question that we ask every guest. And that is who is your favorite final person in a horror film?
Melissa: Ooh, that's a good one. I think it's a bit of a tie. But I think that I would probably still lean into Ripley with Alien. And part of the reason, it's either that or Sydney from from Scream. And the reason why, in both of those cases is that they're strong female, leads. I know a lot of people love Jamie Lee Curtis and the entire the entire final girl.
Melissa: She really set the stage for that. Unfortunately that entire Halloween series never particularly spoke to me. And while I appreciate her part of that, it was, it's not my favorite franchise, but I will say that kind of. Badass I'm gonna fight hard and take control.
Melissa: Ripley and Sidney really just do it for me in that, because I feel like in both of those cases, even though they were victims in the situation, they really turned it back on, on. the antagonists of the film, right? So in the end, wherever you slice and dice it, excuse the pun they still end up coming out on top.
Melissa: They end up winning.
Corey and Kendall: We just love hearing people's answers and we're going to have sort of like a running tally Instagram graphic or whatever. Yeah, but definitely Ripley's been been named Kind of for the same yeah, exactly. it's going to be interesting to see what, how the tally works out because we've got, we've had quite a few different answers and they've all definitely been like, they've all backed up, you know, their answers.
Corey and Kendall: So uh, it's, it's fun. We uh, you know, and to answer. I your reaction has been the same for everybody. Oh, that is tough. How do
Corey and Kendall: you pick, right? Like,
Melissa: It's hard. Yeah. Yeah. How do you pick? Cause there's a lot of them. They're, and even Bruce Campbell's kind
Corey and Kendall: Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why we say final person you know, we don't, we want to be all inclusive here and
Corey and Kendall: Ash is definitely, yeah, Ash has been, has been mentioned twice. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, fun. So, Yeah. Well, this is, we're glad we to connect.
Melissa: to share
Corey and Kendall: Awesome. Well, thank you so much.