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Chapters

00:00 Welcome and Updates

08:26 1 Samuel 10

13:39 1 Samuel 11

15:05 1 Samuel 12

17:39 Luke 13:22-35

26:16 Closing Prayer

26:53 Outro and Podcast Information

All y'all, welcome back to another

edition of the Daily Bible Podcast.

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We're glad to have you back.

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Yes, we're glad indeed.

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What else do you say?

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What else do I That's correct.

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I agree.

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Amen.

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I know.

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Are you glad?

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I am glad.

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Yeah.

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Can hear it?

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Happy day.

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Oh, happy day, pastor Rod.

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Do you think if somebody offered you

a million dollars you could hit the

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high note right now from that song?

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Oh, happy Day from

Sister X I'd find a way.

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You'd find a way.

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I'd find a way.

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A million, million nuts.

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You'd have to, yeah, I'd find a way.

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Yeah.

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I'd.

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Find a way to make sure that

that happened so that you

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could get that million dollars.

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I don't know if that's a

threat or an encouragement.

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Yeah, a little both.

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You know, why not?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Hey, don't forget we've

got two services coming up.

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We are, in fact I believe this is Sunday

that we are talking about right now.

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We are recording ahead of time, and

so we're talking about Sunday morning.

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So don't forget right now on your way

to church, make sure that you're not

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coming for a 10 o'clock service because

we don't have one of those anymore.

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We've got the 9:00 AM and

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So make sure that you're planning

according accordingly for that.

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Yeah.

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We're interested to see which one

ends up being the more popular.

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Yeah.

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We are on Sunday.

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Last Sunday, Easter Sunday.

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The nine o'clock was the more

popular, which is surprising to me.

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Yes.

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I was thinking the 11 was gonna be it.

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But we'll see.

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And that was true in kids

ministry too, was it?

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Yeah, we had like 85 people

in kids ministry on Sunday

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morning for the first service.

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Crazy.

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And that's not too far off from what we

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So I was like, who's is nobody gonna

even show up for the second service?

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We'll see.

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But.

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There was lots of people

at the second service too.

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Yeah.

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Even though it was slightly

less than the first.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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So people have been asking, yes.

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When you add a third service,

where are you gonna put it?

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Well, that's, yeah, Saturday night,

another Sunday morning service.

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Probably not Saturday night.

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What We've 7:00 AM Sunday, seven 30,

Sunday, speaking of early, I drove by

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the church that we do our men's bible

study and women's bible study at, on the

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way into to service this last weekend.

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They had a sunrise service going on

outside, which I thought was really cool.

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I noticed that I thought maybe next year

we do a simple sunrise service for those

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that want to get up early and join us

there and enjoy the outdoors, or every

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week, guys should do that every week.

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We could do a sunrise service every week.

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You guys should totally do that.

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I love the idea.

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You should totally do that.

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I said, simple strip down.

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I knew you'd be sitting there.

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I don't know.

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You guys should totally do that.

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Getting the voice warmed up.

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Now, by the way, just as a reminder.

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The reason why we went to two

services, that's important

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for us to remember and recall.

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We've been talking a lot about

next steps as a church this

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year, and that being our theme.

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And for you individually, next

steps might look like it involved in

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community group or serving, but for

us corporately, the next steps were

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moving to this two service model.

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And the reason we did

that is couple reasons.

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Two that I wanna highlight.

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Number one.

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We were filling up that room.

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And so there's a lot of things that

are done out there by people who

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have been studying the numbers and

everything else for a long time that

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say when a room reaches about 75 to

80% capacity, which we were bumping

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up against each week, then it's, it

really doesn't feel like there's room

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for you when you walk in as a visitor.

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You look through there and

you're going, man, there doesn't

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seem a lot of room for me.

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And it was hard for us to get the

balance of seats right there in the room.

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So that's one of the reasons why.

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But the second reason why is we want

to create the sense that, hey we're

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still growing, we're not done yet.

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And when we hit a number where it

feels good, it feels good in that room.

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When you have about 200 people in

the room, it's easy for us to grow

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complacent in that, and that's

one of the things that we want to

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guard against as a leadership team.

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We wanna make sure that we're not getting

complacent and forgetting that we are

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still here to be on mission, still

reaching people, still inviting people to

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come to church and to be a part of this.

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And so going to two services creates

space for us to grow and creates the

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awareness of going, oh yeah, hey, we

may be at 140 people in this service,

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but hopefully six months from now, that

service will be bumping up by 160, 170

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people, because we're growing and we're

seeing people come to faith in Christ.

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So that's part of the rationale behind

what we're doing and why we're doing it.

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Even just this first time we already

started to see some of the benefits

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of it, in kids ministry and,

there's adults that correspond with

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it, but we have specific numbers.

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We had something like 20 additional

kids that we wouldn't have

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normally had, and that's far

beyond what we would normally see.

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We had close to 110 kids.

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Yeah.

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Over both services.

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Unique kids.

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Yeah.

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And that's a lot more than

we would normally see.

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So that's, God blessing us through that.

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And one of the reasons, we wanna have

rooms in those, even those classrooms,

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from my perspective is kids leading

kids ministry, is we want to have room

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in those classrooms for more kids.

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And God blessed us with more room,

if we had had 110 kids with one

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service, it would've been a wild ride.

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I'm sure we would've survived,

but it would've been a wild ride.

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That brings up a great point too.

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Having two services allows us to

help you as our congregation serve,

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because now you're not having to say,

well, do I serve or do I go to church?

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Mm-hmm.

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Do I serve in the kids' ministry

or do I actually listen to the

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sermon and worship with the body?

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Well, now you can do both.

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And make no mistake.

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We want you to do, we love to encourage

you to be part of the church in

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a significant way to serve and to

make Compass Bible Church your home.

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Not just a place where you attend

and frequent on a weekly basis, but a

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part where you engage with the family.

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I was telling my kids the other

day, look, being part of a family

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means you do chores, you serve the

family, and you're in the family.

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You serve the family.

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And that's just part of what

it is to be in a family.

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And the same is true with the

spiritual family and you're part of it.

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You take initiative, you take ownership.

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Now not everyone can do the same

amount of things, and that's also

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true in a regular family, a nuclear

family with biological realities.

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And that's okay.

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Our purpose is not to say you have to

meet a certain number, but that you're

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finding a way to support the body and

having two services, and maybe three or

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four someday allow five or six, or seven

or eight allows you, 13, allows you to

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find a place to serve and still be fed.

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And that's really the sweet

spot we're looking for.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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We're talking about numbers.

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You mentioned numbers of kids.

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We do track numbers.

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We count noses on a Sunday morning.

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We had about a 460 people give or take

on Easter Sunday, which was awesome

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to have that many people show up.

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I think some people recoil against that.

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They would look at us and say, well,

why are you so consumed with numbers?

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And I think there is.

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Unhealthy obsession with the numbers

and getting enough people and everything

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else that, yeah, I think there is

an unhealthy obsession, but I also

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think there is a biblical principle

and precept that we should care

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about those that are in attendance.

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Even for us as pastors, it helps us

know those that were accountable for.

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But even in early on in the church, the

Book of Acts, notice the numbers that the

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book of Acts records there, that they're

adding thousands to the church, that

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they're counting the people that they're

adding to the church as they're showing

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up and becoming a part of the church.

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So.

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We're not judging our whole

success based on our numbers, but

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we are saying numbers do matter.

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They are important for us to pay

attention to so long as we're

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not living only for the numbers.

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And so long as we're not compromising

the message to get more numbers

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because that would certainly

be us doing the wrong thing.

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As a church, I think it's okay for us

to still say we wanna pay attention to

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the numbers and we'd love to see more.

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So we're gonna put up a board like in

the back, like an old Baptist church

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used to that had last week's attendance.

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Attendance giving, how

much giving was done.

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And sometimes they even

put who gave how much?

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Yes.

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They used.

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Are we gonna move to that?

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Yes.

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They used do that.

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Are we gonna move to that model?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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We're just make up numbers though.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No.

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But yeah, it's an exciting

time for our church.

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I've been talking to a lot of people who

just are saying it just feels like things

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are going really well for the church.

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We're thankful for that.

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We're happy for that.

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We say praise God for that.

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We know that's not always

gonna be what it feels like.

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And so right now we're riding this wave.

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We're excited about what

God's doing at our church and

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we're excited about you guys.

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You guys are doing a great job.

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Easter Sunday was great.

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We talked about this already,

but just a great last weekend.

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We're excited to pick up again

this weekend and hopefully

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it'll be a great stretch.

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By the way, we're starting our

final series in First Peter today.

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And so we've got five more weeks of

one Peter, and then we will be in Psalm

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one 19 for the summer, and then we'll

see where we're gonna go after that.

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Exciting.

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Yeah.

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What are your, what are

you preaching today?

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Today I am preaching on the qualifications

or not the qualifications, ra

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rather, but the job of a pastor.

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So the idea is what does it look

like to be a pastoring pastor?

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And.

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The instructions that Peter gives

us is that a pastor's job is

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far more than hanging out in his

office and preparing sermons.

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And I say that, but

that's my comfort zone.

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That's what I like to do.

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But you mean pastors do more than that?

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Pastors do more than that.

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That's crazy.

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And we have to do more than that.

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We should be doing more than that.

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And so, visiting people, meeting with

people, counseling people, all of that is

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part of what it looks like to shepherd.

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So we're gonna look at Peter's

instructions and first Peter.

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Five, one through four, which are written

to pastors to be reminded of what does

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it look like to be a pastoring pastor.

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And for you, as you're showing up at

church today, you might be saying,

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okay, so what's my takeaway from this?

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A lot of it's going to be

for you to know God's design.

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And that's important.

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Sometimes that's what a sermon will

do, is it helps us understand God's

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design, but also to know how you can

be praying for us and some of the ways

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that you can make our job easier for

us in the way that you respond to our

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shepherding leadership in your life.

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So, sounds fun.

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Yeah.

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Looking forward to it.

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Well, let's jump into our DBR today.

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We're in First Samuel, chapters 10 through

12, and Luke chapter 13, 22 through 35.

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So first Samuel chapter 10.

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I mentioned yesterday that Saul was chosen

in chapter nine, and now he's gonna be

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anointed and there's two anointings.

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There's a private anointing, and then

there's gonna be the public anointing.

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I'm not exactly sure why

there's the private in public.

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It's the same thing with David.

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David's gonna be anointed

by Samuel kind of.

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Behind closed doors, but there's

different reasons for that.

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I wonder if this in part was to help

Saul get in the right head space for

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what was coming so that it didn't all

come crashing down on him all at once.

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Because it seems to take him some

time because even later on in the

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chapter when he is going to be publicly

anointed king, they're looking for him.

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They're going, where's Saul?

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And they find him hiding in the baggage.

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So it's a somewhat ignominious start

for Paul, but, or for Saul I should say.

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But maybe it's indicative

of his humility here.

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More than it is an

embarrassing thing about him.

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I don't know.

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He does start out to be

a good king for Israel.

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I think that's worth note.

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He does start out to do some good things.

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But in, in chapter 10,

he's gonna be anointed.

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There's some signs given to him.

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He starts prophesying.

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He's gonna do that twice in the

book that we know of at least.

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And this is a sign of confirmation

that guy is saying, you're the guy.

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You're my guy.

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And step into this role and lead.

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Yeah, I, when I read these, I can't

help but read him, even in this chapter

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where he's doing some decent things in

light of what I know about him later,

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and maybe that's not the best tactic,

but I read knowing where he's going,

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and so I, I read in somewhat a reverse

order where I'm looking at his actions

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and saying, maybe it's not humility,

maybe it's actually pride that looks

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like humility because he's unwilling to

step into what God has told him to do.

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This is God telling you,

I want you to be king.

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You're going to be king, and I'm

gonna have you do this thing.

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And then he's like, no,

no thanks, I'm gonna hide.

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We chastises Gideon for this, right?

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Gideon doesn't have faith that God

said what he meant, and then he's

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going to use him to deliver Israel.

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And so consequently he tests

God, he puts out the fleece, and

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Saul does something similar here.

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Mm-hmm.

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He's unwilling to step

into what God calls him to.

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So I'm unsure if I'm reading

him rightly or fairly.

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Because I know how his story ends,

but I do find myself saying, I don't

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know if he's being humble so much as

he is just being more of who he is.

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They're just seedling forms of what are

greater sins that are more evident later

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because they've had a time to grow and

they've had power and ability to grow in

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ways that you otherwise would not see.

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Yeah I think part of it is even in

chapter 10, there, when it says in

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verse six, the spirit of the Lord will

rush upon you, you will prophesy with

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them and be turned into another man.

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And then it says in verse nine,

when he turned his back to leave

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Samuel, God gave him another heart.

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So granted, this is not regeneration

and we would be quick to say

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that, but God is with him at this

point in some form or capacity.

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And it seems that because there's

another part where it says explicitly

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that the Spirit of the Lord left him

and Salton know that the spirit of

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the Lord had left him or, and so it

seems like at the beginning at least,

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there's something there where at least

he's neutral if not doing things well.

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Doesn't this also speak to the

fact, because you're right,

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this isn't regeneration.

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We, and that would be a mistake for

us to read the New Testament into the

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old right, where when God gives him

another heart or as another version

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puts it, God changed is in most person.

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This is the functional way the spirit

operated with God's chosen instruments.

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And I think that's why you see.

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The anointing because it evidenced,

it was a physical manifestation of the

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spiritual reality that God is empowering

them, he's covering them, he's by his

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spirit, enabling them and endowing

them the ability to do certain things.

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It, that to me, gives me still

space to say, oh, yes, God could

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enable him to do the kingly work of

leadership, but that doesn't mean

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he's a different guy fundamentally.

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Sure.

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So I am, I, what do you think about that?

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Am I reading too much of the future

of Saul and to the present of Saul?

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He's an en enigmatic character at best.

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It is hard to tell.

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The rest of our reading, Jes Gilead,

the way that he responds there and even

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rallies the people and leads them and

goes and rescues God's people there, he's.

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He's doing good things there.

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And then even afterwards when people

say, Hey, who are the worthless

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people who were attacking Saul?

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Let's bring them out and execute them.

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Saul there says, no, no,

no, we're not gonna do that.

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This is a day for the glory of the Lord.

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This is not about my vengeance,

my name, so I'm torn.

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I understand what you're

saying there, and I'm with you.

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It's hard not to read who Saul

becomes into who Saul is now, but I

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don't know if that's, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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It's mysterious.

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And then here's where

it gets even more fun.

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I would still say, I'm not sure.

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Conclusively that he wasn't a believer.

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Mm-hmm.

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A very messed up, jacked up dude

that God still showed grace toward.

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Yeah I would still say, I

think he's probably a believer

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and I expect to see him.

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When we go to heaven.

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Wow.

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So really jacked up.

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Like I said, I don't think he's in his I

think he's a failure at almost every area.

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But it points to me of God's,

the fact that God even chose the

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guy to, to be king in the first

place is evidence of his grace.

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Not, it's not.

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And in part too a judgment on Israel.

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'cause this is who they wanted.

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They wanted the guy who

looked the part mm-hmm.

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Who, had you as powerful and

presence and all those things.

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So I think there's something.

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That God still uses him and

he graciously lets him lead.

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But I still think there's

something about him that gives

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me pause to say, it could be it.

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He could be a believer, just a broken one.

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I definitely wouldn't preclude that

possibility, and I definitely wouldn't

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definitively say that he's not Yes.

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A believer, yes, but I wouldn't

make the case and say for sure.

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Yeah.

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I'm, yeah, I'm 10 minutes.

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No, no, I, I, I appreciate the thought

because , I think it is an appropriate

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way to think about this, right?

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And I think you make

some good points there.

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Well in, in the rest of these chapters,

again, Saul is gonna be anointed.

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He's gonna be presented before

the people, the people are

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going to say long live the king.

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It's gonna be King Saul.

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And then he's faced with a

difficult situation here.

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Now, it's interesting 'cause it, it

says he's out in the field plowing.

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So Saul is not the king that

we think about at this point.

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'cause he's out still

doing blue collar work.

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He's still doing manual

labor in the field, plowing.

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When he hears about the plight

of Jesh Gilead, he comes in

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from there, learns about it.

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Rallies everybody in Israel and goes to

deliver my best explanation is this, the

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formal coronation had not yet taken place.

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And so Saul's still back at home doing

the things that he had always done

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because he is not officially the kingdom

covenant, which is, which happens

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later on after the return from Jes,

Gilead and everything else at Gilgal.

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The there that had not yet happened.

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The kingdom had not been renewed as they.

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Put it in the text.

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And so he's still doing

what he used to do.

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But then eventually he's

going to have a palace.

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He's gonna have a kingdom, he's

gonna have the normal trappings

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that come along with being king.

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But when we first find him, he's

out in the field plow, plowing

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with the donkeys, which is.

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Not where you expect a king to be.

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Can you imagine Trump coming in?

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He did write on a garbage truck,

I guess at work at McDonald's

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too, but he worked at McDonald's.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He's a McDonald's employee.

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He's made other people, him and

the McDonald's Deloy to bomb Iran.

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So I just, I'd like for them to

take away his internet access.

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Trump?

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Yes.

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I don't like some of the

things that he's saying.

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She's like, man, if you said nothing,

you'd be so much better off right now.

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Yeah.

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So take away his ex or his truth, social.

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That would be a good move for them.

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Well, in chapter 12 this is Samuel's

Farewell and he's going to say goodbye.

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Although he's not gone.

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But he's gone from the public's

spotlight, at least here.

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And he's going to appeal

to his integrity here.

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And again, he's gonna say, look,

have I done you any wrong point to

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anything that I've done wrong for you?

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And the answer implicitly is, no,

Samuel, you haven't done anything wrong.

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And I think just at the end of

the chapter, there's especially

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some encouraging words here.

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When Samuel said to the

people, do not be afraid.

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You have done all this evil and yet,

and here's his admonition to them.

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Do not turn aside from following the

Lord, serve the Lord with all your heart.

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Do not turn aside after empty things that

cannot profit or deliver for their empty.

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For the Lord will not forsake

his people for his great namesake

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because it is please the Lord,

to make you a people for himself.

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So Samuel saying, feel the

conviction be led to repentance

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and then produce obedience.

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That's his kind of

farewell charge to Israel.

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Yeah, you asked for a king,

you shouldn't have done that.

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You rejected the Lord, and

here's what the king's gonna do.

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I've been in integrity, a man of integrity

with you and how I've led, and now your

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job is to understand your error, feel

the conviction, be led to repentance,

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and then produce obedience there as you

seek to follow the Lord from here on out.

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What a good thing it would be to be at the

end of your life and be able to ask people

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around you, did I live with integrity?

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Yeah.

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Did I ever cheat you?

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That's great.

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Did I ever do anything to harm you?

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And for everybody around you to say, no.

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Yeah, you did it right.

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Some kid like, well, actually.

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Yeah, that would be funny.

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What a great testimony

to a well-lived life.

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Yeah.

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That's, we, today we talk about living

a life living a legacy where people

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can look up to you and respect you.

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And I understand the mentality

and the sentimentality

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behind that, but this is it.

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Living a life before the Lord mm-hmm.

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Coram is, far better and I think

superior in really almost every way.

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To living with the mindset

of I wanna leave a legacy.

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Mm-hmm.

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I guess it depends on

what you mean by that.

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A spiritual legacy means far more.

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And in fact, speaking of that legacy

again, I love Samuel's heart of

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prayer, and I think every leader of

God's people should feel the same way.

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He does listen to what he says.

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It's in verse 23, right?

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Picking up right after you finish reading.

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Pastor pj, he says, more over

As for me this is first Samuel

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of chapter 12, verse 23.

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Far be it from me that I

should sin against the Lord

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by ceasing to pray for you.

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I love that this guy's a man of prayer.

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He loves the Lord, he loves to

pray for the people of the Lord.

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And I think that is the heart of a,

of every true shepherd of the Lord.

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He's gonna pray for the people

that God has entrusted to him.

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So let me encourage you, listener

and friends of our church and

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church members know, find that

person, find those pastors.

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If you ever leave this church, find

those pastors who are gonna pray

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for you and make it a point to.

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To bear you on their

shoulders and on their chest.

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Yeah.

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Well, let's flip over to

our New Testament reading.

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Luke chapter 13.

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We are finishing up the chapter

verses 22 through 35, verses

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22 through 30 is a passage.

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Again, familiar to some of what we

read in the Sermon on the Mount.

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And this time in instead of talking

about those that are gonna call

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it, Lord, Lord, didn't we do this

and do that and do the other thing.

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Jesus is going to talk about

striving to enter by the narrow door.

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And then he's gonna say, some of you're

gonna appeal, we ate and Drake in

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your presence in Utah, in our streets.

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And he's gonna say,

yeah, but depart from me.

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I don't know where you come from.

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So now it's not that they're

appealing to their laundry list

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of things that they've done.

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That's Matthew seven here.

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They're appealing to their proximity.

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They're saying, we.

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We're with you.

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We were in your presence.

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We heard your sermons, we were around you.

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We spent time with you.

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So this is telling us there

is no salvation by osmosis.

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And so the counter to that, the

safeguard against being in that

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group, he says, is to strive to enter

through the narrow door, which can

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sit uncomfortably with us because we

think, well salvation's not earned.

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And that's true.

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It's not earned.

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But salvation is manifested through

how we live our lives after.

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After we're saved, it shows up in the

fruit that we bear my wife in women's

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Bible study, which we didn't mention

a couple days ago to our own remiss.

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But Saturday yesterday, women's , bible

study, she taught from Ephesians

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chapter four on what it looks like

to put off the old person, the old

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man, the old woman, and to to put

on the new self and to be renewed.

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In the spirit of our minds

after the likeness of God.

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And that involves our striving, our

efforts, our labors to put things off

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and put things on that, that the New

Testament writers build on what Jesus

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is talking about here by striving

to enter through the narrow door.

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So Christianity.

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It's easy to become a follower of Christ

because it doesn't cost us, but then

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following Jesus involves picking up our

cross daily following him, staying on

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the narrow path, the whole way through.

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And I think these people were

expecting that they would be

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saved because he's Jewish.

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Because they're Jewish, because

they're the people of Israel.

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But that's never what God promised.

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In fact, even just looking back

at what Samuel said to the people,

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right, that they'll be swept

away if they disobey, right?

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Yeah.

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And instead we see it's the people

from the east and the west and the

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north and the south who come jet

south and recline at the table of God.

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And so yeah, that.

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It's very well taken, pastor pj and

it makes me think, when your families,

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especially, I'm the kid's ministry

pastor, is that why I have to think

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in these terms, but don't assume that

your kids are gonna be saved mm-hmm.

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Just because they're in your house.

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Mm-hmm.

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You need to be proactive be diligent in

teaching them the gospel, be teaching

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them the scriptures because their

proximity to you is helpful in some sense.

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But it is not gonna be

the thing that saves them.

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So be diligent in those ways.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The chapter ends with an interesting

interaction between Jesus and one

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of the messengers of Herod who

shows up and says, Hey, Herod is

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seeking to kill you and Jesus.

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Jesus says, go and tell that fox.

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And then he says, look,

this is what I'm doing.

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I'm gonna be here until I finish my work.

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But then he says, nevertheless, I must

go on my way today and tomorrow and the

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day following for it cannot be that a

prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.

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In other words, Jesus is saying,

it's not my time right now.

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And so Herod will have his day over

Jesus, Herod and Pilate together.

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But right now is not that time.

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And so Jesus is indeed going to move on.

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And yet as he moves on, he's going

to lament for Jerusalem on his way

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out to say, you guys are missing it.

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And I would've gathered you

under my wings as a hen would

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gather her, flock her children.

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And yet you have essentially rejected me.

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And the next time you see me, you're

gonna be crying out blessed to see

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who comes in the name of the Lord.

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But that's going to really be empty

because just a handful of days

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after that is the crucifixion and

the ultimate rejection of Christ

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by some of the same people there.

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You bring up that Jesus calls him a fox.

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Is that something that we

should imitate Jesus in doing?

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It is interesting.

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He uses, it's interesting, right?

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He uses strong language and we've

talked about that before with

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even the Apostle Paul as well.

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I'm sure.

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Have a time to banter that

around when we get there again.

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Yeah, I think we, I would urge caution

in that it's much like, I agree

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righteous indignation and anger.

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I think, I don't think I can argue

that there's no place for it at

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all because we do see it here.

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He calls them a bru of vipers,

even John the Baptist does as well.

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Right.

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So, right, right.

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I can't say that there's not a place for

it, but I would urge caution there and

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I would always say, Hey, let's suspect

ourselves first before we make that move.

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Let me say, I wanna suspect my motives.

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Because I know myself before I

venture into that territory.

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Yeah.

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And we do need to be those who

give respect to whom respect is

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due honor to whom honor is due.

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And we can be confident that that's

something Jesus is doing here.

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Even though he's using

termin terminology like this.

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Can you just go a layer deeper?

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How are you respecting somebody?

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If you're calling them a fox, and

I, and it's a sincere question

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because I don't think Jesus is

violating that clearly, but you're

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at minimum your name calling, right?

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At the very minimum you're

saying something that It's true.

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It's true.

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What do you make of that?

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How do you.

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Show respect and deference to your

governing officials while at the same

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time being able to say things like this.

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Well, how about this?

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How about this?

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You mentioned that you weren't pleased

with some of the things that, that

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Trump was saying on social media.

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Oh, that I did.

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He spun it.

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Now it's about you.

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Oh, it, this is about me.

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How would you address that?

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How would you address that concern

in a way where you're critical?

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But also still respectful and honoring

him for the position God has put him in.

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Sure.

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And I think it's possible to do that.

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I find it harder to do

that when there's a name.

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Involved.

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If I'm named, if I called him, the

orange guy or whatever, there's a

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lot of names about him these days.

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I don't know that, that's harder

for me to wrap my head around.

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I know Jesus is perfect and so he's

doing what is righteous and good and wise

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and even the name calling about Herod.

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I'm sure there was an A wise.

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Deployment of that in our context.

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I don't know how you do it.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here.

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Write your letters in if

or your emails or, yeah.

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Your, well, not, or a letter.

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That'd be fun too.

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Carrier pigeon.

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Yeah.

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Morse code, I think, think could

say, I think you could say that.

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Trump is being foolish or that

he is being a foolish man when

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he does some of those things.

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Not name calling though.

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I think that would be, if you

said Trump is a foolish man,

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that's a statement of truth.

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That's an objective state.

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What if you said fool?

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What if you just said fool?

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That would be, yes.

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I think that would be akin to, Fox feels

different, but fool would be I think at

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least in the ballpark, although there

are commands not to call people fools.

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And that's where I would say that the

difference is scripture gives you.

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Like literal words to say,

this is who a fool is.

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Yes.

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A fool says in his heart, there is

no, those kinds of things, when you

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start getting into the venture of like,

you're a viper you know you're a fox.

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Those are I get nervous for my

own soul's sake saying, I don't

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know if I could pull that off.

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So the term fox during this time

was a common metaphor for somebody

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who is deceitful or crafty.

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Right.

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I suspected that.

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Right.

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So similar to serpentine.

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Yeah.

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And so I think it's calling or

labeling the person by something

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that is in Indicatively.

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True, evidently true about them.

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So it's not an attack on the character as

much as it is you have earned this name

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by you, you've shown yourself to be this.

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So in that sense, oh, you mean character

in the sense of like, not the person's

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character, but as in like the individual.

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I would say that the person's character,

even though I think Jesus is saying,

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you, Herod by your character, have

proven to be a deceitful, cunning person.

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That's who you are.

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You are a fox, and he's using language

that would've been understood by his.

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Contemporary audience at the same time.

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He's not calling him, you're a moron.

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He's not saying, well,

you're just an idiot.

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He's not tearing him down just

for the sake of tearing him down.

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I think there's a, an intent that

communicates something true that is in

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indicting at the same time, because he's

calling sin sin with Harry, he's calling

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out something about here that is sinful.

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Using this term at the same time

in that, so in my mind there's

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a category distinction there.

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And that's why I even used the example.

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And again, I'm going on a limb,

but using the term fool, right,

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because it is some of the things

that Trump said were foolish, right?

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Sure.

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You could use that term, which I

think is where the Bible indicts

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the use of that term where you are

just cutting somebody down, right.

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For the sake of cutting them down.

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Right?

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So I do think the word

selection is critical.

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I think you could make a grave air, if you

may pick the wrong word at the wrong time.

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I think we need to talk about this

more because clearly we've given some

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shade to some writers on the interwebs

about some of their language and some

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of the ways they talk about people.

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And some of their advertising.

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And I don't think that it's necessarily

good, but things like this would at

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least give me pause to say, okay,

maybe there is a, there's a, there's

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room for it, as you just said.

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But how you deploy that faithfully and

even when you deploy that, yeah, Jesus

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knows people, he knows their hearts.

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Yeah.

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But John to John the Baptist did it too.

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So there's definitely room

for conversation here.

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Yeah, we shall continue in the future.

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Yep.

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Well, let's pray and then we'll

be done with this episode.

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God, thanks for brothers in Christ to

kick around things like this with and

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to think through and to wrestle with.

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I pray that all of us as a church would

have people like that in our lives.

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That we can have good conversations

and plumb the depths of your word and

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what it means and what it looks like

for us to live this out ourselves

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and how to take it and apply it.

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So we thank you, Lord,

that we have your word.

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We thank you for a good church where

we can have these conversations

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with one another and we pray that

we would continue to do that.

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Ultimately for the glory of Christ,

for the transformation of our own

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lives, that we'd be more like him.

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And so we ask this and

pray this all in his name.

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Amen.

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Keep in your Bibles.

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