In this episode of the Confidence by the STARS podcast, host and astrologer, Dorrissa Griffin, Esq., is joined by Dr. Kathy Zhang, a hospice and palliative care doctor, certified integrative life coach, hypnotist, and host of the Purpose Filter podcast. The episode dives into the lessons learned from the dying to help us prioritize what truly matters for a more fulfilled life. Topics include the power of astrology, particularly the 8th and 12th houses related to death, transformation, and the subconscious, and how hypnosis can aid personal growth by tapping into the subconscious to overcome limitations and self-sabotage. Dr. Zhang shares her inspiring journey from medical practice to life coaching and hypnotism, providing insights into using adversity as a catalyst for growth. Dorrissa and Dr. Zhang further explore the concept of self-understanding through various modalities including astrology, reinforcing the message that we possess the power to lead more meaningful lives by aligning with our inner wisdom.

00:00 Welcome to Confidence by the STARS Podcast

00:40 Introducing Dr. Kathy Zhang: A Journey from Hospice to Hypnosis

01:30 The Power of LinkedIn Connections and the Path to Purpose

02:22 Unveiling Life's Lessons from the Dying: A Doctor's Mission

02:53 The Transformative Power of Hypnosis and Life Coaching

13:41 Exploring the Depths of Astrology: The 8th House and Beyond

21:14 Harnessing Hypnosis: Rewiring the Brain for Positive Change

34:41 Diving Deeper: The 12th House and Overcoming Self-Sabotage

41:10 Taking the Next Step: Embracing Life and Avoiding Regret

45:33 Kathy's Three Wise: Insights for a Fulfilling Life

48:52 Staying Connected and Wrapping Up

About the Speakers:

Dr. Luyi Kathy Zhang is a certified integrative life coach and hypnotist, hospice/palliative care doctor, and host of The Purpose Filter podcast, the show that shares deathbed wisdom and actionable shortcuts for a more fulfilled life. Her mission is to share the lessons of the dying to help us focus on what’s truly important so we can create happier, healthier and more meaningful lives while we still have time to enjoy them.

@dr.luyikathyzhang on Instagram

Luyi Kathy's Website

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Welcome to the Confidence

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I'm your host, Dorrissa, astrologer,

and your horoscope hype woman.

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And I'm here today with Dr.

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Kathy Zhang.

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She is a certified integrative life coach

and hypnotist, as well as a hospice and

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palliative care doctor, and host of the

Purpose Filter podcast, the show that

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shares deathbed wisdom and actionable

shortcuts for more fulfilled life.

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Her mission is to share the

lessons of dying to help us

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focus on what's truly important.

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So we can create happier, healthier,

and more meaningful lives while

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we still have time to enjoy them.

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Welcome Kathy!

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Kathy Zhang: Hi Dorrissa, thank you

so much for having me on the show.

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I'm excited to be here.

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Dorrissa Griffin: Yes, I'm

thrilled to have you on Kathy.

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I love starting the show at letting

people know how we got connected and I'm

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kind of talking about that a little bit.

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So just to give the listeners a little

bit of insight, I had the pleasure

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of meeting Kathy on a LinkedIn

master class that I took a few weeks

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back and it was such a wealth of

information, and that was through Hala.

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And she was just such a masterful

teacher, helped us really understand

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the ins and outs of LinkedIn and.

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It was just, I, I, I'm still

combing through a lot of that

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information but that's how we

got a chance to get connected.

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And you were telling me a little

bit about what you do, and I would

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love for you to tell more insights.

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Kathy Zhang: Yeah, absolutely.

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And it's so great that we got

connected that way, and then it

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evolved into this opportunity.

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So I am a hospice and palliative care

doctor by training, which means that

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I take care of sick and dying people.

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And at some point, I realized that

they were sharing such great life

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lessons and wisdom with me and regrets.

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And I couldn't really do much to help them

kind of, in a sense, right those wrongs,

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or to help them feel like they didn't

have to have regrets at the end of life.

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And so, in a way, I decided to share

that through my podcast, I became

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a life coach, and then I became

a hypnotist to really help people

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have the tools to help themselves.

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And that's kind of where I am now.

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And it's been an amazing ride.

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And I love sharing this information,

this knowledge, this wisdom

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with as many people as possible.

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Dorrissa Griffin: Oh my gosh,

that is just so incredible.

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I think so much of what you

do is so integral in how

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we need to understand life.

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We, we understand life from a perspective

of things and status and like how we

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want to be perceived and reputation

and all those kinds of things.

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But when you look at it from the

perspective of someone who is close to

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the end of their journey here and they

have this wealth of knowledge and wisdom.

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But as they look back, they, they

don't have necessarily a way of just

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instantly passing that on with the

way that we do now with social media

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and everything to have you be that

liaison between them and us to pass

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those lessons on, it's just so powerful.

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Kathy Zhang: Yeah, and I love

that word you used, Dorrissa.

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Liaison is the perfect way that

I want to describe myself.

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It's, I'm a a conduit, in a sense, right?

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To be able to share that and to be able to

be at the bedsides of these people and to

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give that knowledge to other people when

they don't have as many exposures to it.

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Because if we're lucky, most

of us will have only a handful

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of experiences with death.

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And even that is awful

and it's enough, right?

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And yet people die

every day, every minute.

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And it's one of those things where it

seems so scary, but the more that we

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normalize it, the more that we realize

we can actually learn a ton from the end

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of life, from people who are dying, and

from near death experiences, or getting

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ill ourselves, or facing anything that

might make us think, oh, maybe the

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security that I thought I had wasn't

as Secure, as I initially realized.

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Dorrissa Griffin: Wow.

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Yes, that is absolutely true.

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I feel like so many people don't realize

how important these lessons are until

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they go through these types of experiences

or someone that they're close to does.

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So it's just incredible to have you as

a conduit, as a liaison, as someone who

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can help us get these these lessons and

really do a better job of living our lives

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while we still have them, as you say.

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You're also an author.

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I would love to know more

about your book as well.

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You have this amazing amount

of resources that you provide.

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So let's dive into some of those as well.

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Kathy Zhang: So I don't have

a book just yet, but It's on

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the vision board and it's it's

being put out into the universe.

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So I have written some research

articles for palliative care and

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I've also published an article here

and there about the end of life.

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I wrote one about my experiences during

COVID because I was in New York City

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at Bellevue Hospital, which is the

nation's oldest public hospital.

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So it was just, so

overwhelming at that point.

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And writing has always been a way for

me to process and release emotions.

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And I think everyone should have

some sort of outlet, whether it's

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writing or whether it's something

else, to express that for themselves.

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And it's like coming back home.

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I did it a lot when I was younger.

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Kind of forgot about it because, as you

said, life, kind of life's us sometimes.

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And then coming back to it really feels

in a way of coming home to myself.

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Dorrissa Griffin: Well, I'm just

putting positive vibes out there so

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you can get that book deal someday.

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Kathy Zhang: I love it.

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I love it.

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Bring the energy.

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I'm ready for it.

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Dorrissa Griffin: But yeah, I mean,

I feel like this These lessons

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would be amazing for a book.

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And when we originally connected we

had kind of had this joke about

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loving all the woo woo stuff.

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And that was something that I

think I thought was so funny,

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but yes, it's absolutely true.

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A lot of people don't necessarily give a

lot of credence to these types of things,

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but when they show up sometimes it's like,

oh, wow, if I had known this, before.

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I'd have been paying attention before

it would have helped out a lot.

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And that's why I really would love

to know about your personal journey

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with the woo woo stuff like astrology.

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What has been kind of like some of the

things that you've learned about it?

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How has it helped you in your life and

any lessons that you've gleaned from that?

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Kathy Zhang: It's such a good

question and because also when

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we're coming from more quote unquote

traditional career backgrounds,

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right, like medicine, law, etc.

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It seems really weird for us to

embrace something that doesn't seem

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to have as much evidence behind it

or by the book and there's research

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articles and there's textbooks, etc.

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And I will say that doing the work

in hospice and palliative care and

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being around people who are dying or

close to it really opened up that

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extra, that area for me because there

were so many things that happened

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that I just could not explain.

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Right?

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I would have patients who, I had

one patient who, she had pancreatic

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cancer, it was, the tumor was

eating through her skin, through her

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belly button, and she was pouring

out ascites, which is abdominal

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fluid, out through her belly button.

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A liter, two liters, like a two

liter bottle of soda, a day,

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and she was 70, 80 pounds max.

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And her daughter was on the other

side of the country and was not

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gonna fly in for another 4 or 5 days.

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And we were like, there's no

way this woman is gonna make it.

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And we told her, hey, you know, I

don't know, just hang on if you can.

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She was unconscious at this point.

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Hang on if you can, your

daughter's gonna be here Friday.

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And this woman made it.

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And her daughter came.

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Said her goodbyes, and that patient

passed a couple hours later.

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There are so many stories like that,

where people hold on for family

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members, or there's a family member

who's there all the time, 24/7, and

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the moment that they decide to step

out to get a snack, the patient passes.

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There, I, I just can't explain it.

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And I think there's always been

this kind of intrigue within me.

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And to be honest, it's really

helped me process a lot of things.

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It's helped me transcend where I am

in life now to be able to embrace the

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vision of me in the future so that I

can develop more and be better for the

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people around me and inspire others.

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So it has been just amazing.

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to put it lightly.

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Dorrissa Griffin: That's beautiful.

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I love that you mentioned

the word transcendence.

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I think that's a beautiful way to describe

the process in life, of life in general.

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And I think that moment where we

literally transition and transcend to

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the next stage of whatever life is,

which includes our death it's just really

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a powerful moment and to know some of

these examples of people who you've given

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care to that have these circumstances

that you just can't explain, but you can

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see the power of that human connection.

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You can see the power of even kind

of like that destiny that's pulling

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them, like that's really powerful.

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Kathy Zhang: Mm hmm.

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Yeah.

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And things that people are like, oh,

they go into the light or they see,

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people will literally say, oh, and they're

unconscious, they're not aware, they're

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dying, they're transitioning, and they'll

say things like, oh, I see grandpa, I

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see, and they'll say the name of someone

who's already passed over, and they'll

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kind of say like, oh, I'm going to join

them, or some people are so aware that

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they know their time is coming, that they

know that they're dying, and it's, One

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of these things where the more you see

it, the more you realize that there's so

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much more than what we experience in this

reality, this physical manifestation of

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our bodies in time and space, and just

things like astrology and other modalities

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have gone back centuries and eons, right?

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It's not something new.

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This is what people used back

in the day when they didn't have

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access to the internet and Google

and all these other things.

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And so it makes you think that if so

many different cultures across the

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world have some sort of wisdom with

ancestral stuff and divination,

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astrology, shamanism, that sort of

thing, then why should we not You know,

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in a sense, open up our brains and our

hearts to it and see what comes from it.

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Dorrissa Griffin: Yes, it's

important to have that open

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mindedness and to allow the wisdom.

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I mean, like you mentioned, these

folks didn't have a lot of the

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technologies and advancements in terms

of the way we communicate in such

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instantaneous manners that we do now.

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And a lot of that wisdom

was stored in oral history.

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It was stored in the stories that got

passed down, the art and the music that

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got passed down from generations of old

and just really people observing and

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having the time to really take a good

look at what's happening around them and

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to see connections and to see patterns.

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And then having the forethought to

somehow write that down or continue to

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pass those stories on from generations

to generations until somebody wrote

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it down and passed that wisdom on.

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It's like, you can't ignore that.

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You have to pay attention to it and

allow it to inform you and to guide you.

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And that's one of the reasons why I

really wanted to have you on because

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one of the things that, or two of the

things that I wanted to discuss were the

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topic of the 8th and the 12th houses.

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And I was like, Oh my gosh, Kathy would be

perfect to talk about these things because

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I want to help illuminate that for people.

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And on the episode that I did, the first

episode that I did of Confidence by the

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STARS, I really dug deep into helping

people to understand what the houses are.

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And essentially, the houses are synonymous

with the areas of life in astrology.

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And there are 12 houses as outlined

by the ancient astrology guides,

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experts or however you want to call

them, they originated this information

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from their observations and the eighth

house is particularly interesting to

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our conversation because it's the house

most closely associated with death,

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with transitioning, with the end of

life and the reason that that is, is

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because of the first house being kind

of like our origin, who we are, what

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gifts and talents we come into the

world with, the thing that makes us

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us, that thing that makes us unique.

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It is on the opposite side of the

circle of astrology and a little

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bit out of view of the first

house, they call it an aversion.

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It is where the sun sets, it's where

the sun begins to go down in astrology,

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and in the the first house beginning

at the place of the eastern horizon.

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And so that's how you're

able to denote that.

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And so when you look across from

that, that's where the sun sets.

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And so that's how we get some of these

significations um, with astrology.

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But when it comes to the eighth house,

it's considered to be where we go into

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the underworld, where we start to take

that journey to the unconscious, to the

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place where we're not as familiar with

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and some of those lessons, like,

Like what you mentioned, they

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don't get passed on, but if you

can get a little bit of that before

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somebody does, it's really powerful.

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And I'm going to read a little bit

from the Ancient Astrology in Theory

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and Practice by Demetra George a

little bit about the Eighth House

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to kind of give us some context.

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And I would love for you to go a little

bit deeper into kind of what you do

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as a result of that and how that can

help people understand why this is

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so powerful and why this information

could, could be useful to them.

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So the Eighth House is a portal to the

landscape of the Underworld in which

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all life forms die and they descend.

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It's closely associated with the

following occupations mortician,

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undertaker, coroners, hospice workers

as well as people who kind of deal

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with circumstances that some folks

will have a harder time with folks who

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have the gift of being a deaf doula.

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Like these are kind of where the

eighth house things kind of show up.

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And some of the things that the eighth

house touches on our inheritances that

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we get as a result of someone passing on.

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It deals with wills.

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It deals with assets that come

from outside of who we are like

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I mentioned, inheritance, things

that are bequeathed to you.

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Other types of things that

maybe people get buried with.

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So jewels and things that people

get buried with or passed on with.

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And also in more modern astrology, it

deals with the psychological subconscious

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and kind of like mental health and things

that people kind of have a hard time

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with getting a grasp, but the eighth

house is a really, really intense house.

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If you have any planets that's going

through the eighth house, like you

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really need to take some time and focus

on your mental health and well being.

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And I know as a hypnotist, as well

as someone who does palliative

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care in hospice work, those are all

things that, you know, apply to you.

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So I just kind of want to dive deeper

into, into those topics and like how

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you found your way into those spaces

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cause it's so interesting.

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Kathy Zhang: This is so good.

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And thank you so much for

reading that description.

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I was taking notes furiously

while you were reading.

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So two things that popped up for me.

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The first is which, when you

said inheritances, wills, assets,

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things buried that people are

buried with or passed on with.

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And Also, with the psychological

aspect, obviously those are physical

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things, jewelry maybe land or assets,

money, inheritances, but it also

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brought up something which for me is

I've been working through as well,

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which is the generational trauma

that people pass on or don't resolve

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through years and generations

of families and that sort of thing.

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There are so many patients and people

who, because of life and things get busy,

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etc., or they just wish at the end of

life that they had healed some of the

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relationships during their lifetime.

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Or they die with certain aspects that

weren't addressed when they were alive.

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Things like how they think about money

or relationships with other people.

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And so that kind of generational

trauma really makes me think about

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how we relate to each other and how we

connect with ourselves and each other,

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especially since I work with populations

who are undocumented immigrants.

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They may be homeless and that sort

of thing and that takes an even

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deeper level for the work that I do.

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And then the second thing

you mentioned, which was the

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subconscious and mental health.

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I had no idea that the eighth

house was related to that.

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And so thank you so much for bringing

that up because it makes so much sense

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that In a way, my journey has brought me

to the unconscious and the subconscious.

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So for people who are listening, if

you want to think about your mind, your

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nervous system as an iceberg, right, maybe

five, Maybe 7 percent of what you see

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above the surface is our conscious mind.

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That is us being aware,

talking, relating, etc.

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to each other.

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Everything underneath the surface, 95 97%,

those are the estimates, of our mind, our

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nervous system, our sub or unconscious.

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And so these are the patterns that

we wake up and we do, to look.

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unconsciously.

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You just grab your phone and you scroll

even though you don't want to, right?

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Or when we just get anxious or afraid

because something that is in our present

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or potential future reminds us of a

past experience that maybe we haven't

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dealt with or is it a past trauma that

is now coming up in our bodies and

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we're not aware that it's happening.

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And so what hypnosis does and what I work

on with clients is one, to be able to give

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them the tools in the moment to address

whatever emotions they might be feeling.

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So if they're amped up, if they're really

anxious to give them the tools to calm

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themselves in the moment, and then what

we'd work on is then to help them rewire

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their brains, rewire their kind of program

their nervous system and their bodies

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so that the default isn't overwhelmed.

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The default is not fear.

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The default isn't self doubt, but the

default is, I don't know, whatever

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you want, peace tranquility,

confidence, whatever it is.

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And so by reprogramming the brain, then

we don't, Eventually, we don't have to

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use those tools in the moment anymore

because we're not going to feel that.

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And when people realize that a lot

of it is just, it's all just neural

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programming, it's wiring in our brains,

then it doesn't feel like, oh, it's

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something personally wrong with me.

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I think so many people feel that, oh my

god, there's something wrong with me.

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I've always been like this.

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I'm just a lost cause.

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Why bother?

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And that's not true at all.

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And that's what I love telling people

is that, look, you don't have to wait

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until you get sick or someone you love

dies to be able to change your life.

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It's not like, oh, you got into a

car accident and you automatically

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downloaded the information necessary

to quit smoking, or to start that

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business you've always wanted, right?

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And so it doesn't have to be that way.

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And I think that that's really

refreshing for people to know

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that that possibility exists.

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I was blown away about what you said

about only seven, roughly 7 percent is

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the conscious part and the rest of that,

that 93 something percent is subconscious.

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And we're not even cognizant

of what we're feeling, what we're

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dealing with, how our nervous

system is responding to things.

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That is really, really powerful.

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And I think that, or for me, the topic

of hypnosis and the topic of kind of

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exploring that part of, of who we don't

realize we are is really quite incredible.

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And it's something that I personally,

I've had an experience with hypnosis

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in the past and it was really powerful.

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I was like in my teens and we were at

like a graduation party or something

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that the school was putting on for us

and they had brought in a hypnotist

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and we were doing all kinds of stuff.

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I actually had been hypnotized and

I didn't realize I was looking like,

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There's no way I'm going to, there's no

way I'm going to fall under hypnosis.

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And it's just so powerful.

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And you actually do.

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And so many people who volunteered did.

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But I think the experience of using it in

a medical sense and using it in the sense

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of having a way of overcoming those.

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thoughts or those limitations that

we perceive about ourselves is

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really powerful and really helpful.

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And I know as a doctor, you have a

certain standard of confidentiality

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that you have to uphold, but I would

love if there were some anecdotal kind

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of examples or ways that you can help

people explore that a little bit more.

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Kathy Zhang: Yeah, absolutely.

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And you mentioned a phrase which I wrote

down again because it's so good, the

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limitations we perceive about ourselves.

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So hypnosis really, people get kind

of scared because they see stage

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hypnosis, which is when a hypnotist

calls a bunch of people up on stage

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and kind of makes, right, kind of

makes fools out of them, right?

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They're like, I don't want to

quack like a duck or they feel

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like they're going to lose control.

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That's not what clinical

hypnotists or hypnotherapists do.

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Basically, what we do is to help

the client or the patient have more

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control over their subconscious.

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If you've ever watched a movie and

you've been so engrossed in it where

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something happens on screen and

you get scared or there's a really

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moving scene and you start crying,

you've been hypnotized, right?

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It's basically just suspending

your own disbelief for a little bit

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where you're so wrapped up in something

else outside of you that you are in it.

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And so if that's happened to

you, then you've been hypnotized.

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It just sounds really scary because you're

like, I've never quacked like a duck

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before, but that's not what it is at all.

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And so I just want to

clear that for the record.

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All right.

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And so A lot of times what happens

with clients who come to me is

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that they've tried everything else.

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They've tried therapy, they've tried other

things, they've tried talking to their

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friends, they've tried whatever it is.

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And they just feel like, mm, it's

helping, but there's something else there.

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And I've had clients who

Again, I love therapy.

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It saved my life.

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And at a certain point, I just knew

that I'd gotten what I needed out of it.

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Because therapy is conscious.

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It's in the top of the iceberg.

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You're aware, you are you know, saying

certain things, and sometimes you

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know that you might be telling someone

something that maybe they want to hear,

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or that you, feel that you believe, even

though that may not be necessarily true.

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Sometimes we lie to ourselves,

even in therapy, right?

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And so hypnosis really helps to

blur the boundary between conscious

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and unconscious, and it gives us

access to our own inner wisdom.

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So I've had clients, who some people

are entrepreneurs, and they're like,

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you know what, I'm having a really

hard time writing my marketing

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materials and I know it's in there,

but every time I try to write it just

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feels forced and I don't like it.

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No one's going to buy this.

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It just feels fake.

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Well, for this particular client, we

did like 10 15 minutes, got them really

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relaxed, and got them seeing a vision

of their future, tapping into why

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they started the business in the first

place, and it just flowed out of them.

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And basically, I just kind of hit record

with a voice memo on my phone and sent

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it to them after the session, and that

became their copy for their website.

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And they're marketing materials.

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And it's not just entrepreneurs,

it's regular people who are like,

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I can't stop overeating because

my anxiety is really triggered.

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And we work on that.

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We do different hypnoses to help them with

anxiety, to see themselves as a calmer,

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more peaceful version of themselves.

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And then that you know, kind of just

Fades away, or it gets to a point where

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they feel like, Oh, this is manageable.

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I can think again instead

of being chained to it.

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So those are just a few examples

without giving too much detail

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of how hypnosis can help.

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And it can help with so many things.

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Pain, anxiety, overwhelm um, you

know, habit cessation, smoking

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issues, procrastination, really sleep.

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Really anything you can

think of and there's studies.

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There's really really good

research backing hypnosis as well.

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Dorrissa Griffin: Wow,

that is really powerful.

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I love that you said that hypnosis is

a way for us to blur the line between

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the conscious and the subconscious

so that we can access our own wisdom.

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I thought that was really powerful and

just giving the examples of how you've

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helped people and guided them through the

process using clinical hypnosis so that

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they can essentially get out of their

own way and really tap into something

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that they, there's deep within them.

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They know that that's something that they

want and they're attempting to access it,

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but for whatever reason they, they can't.

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So having this as an option to

really be able to tap into that.

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And.

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access those resources is

really quite amazing.

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And I think that's, what's powerful

also to bring in that subject back to

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the eighth house and this whole concept

of mental health and also this concept

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of accessing resources that we have

available to us that are there to support

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us, but for whatever reason we're not

capable or we're not in a place where

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we can guide ourselves through that.

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We need external help and knowing that

that's a possibility is really powerful.

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I would love to know if there's any other

things that you would like people to know

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about hypnosis or really just the whole

concept of tapping into their subconscious

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Um, and using that as a way to access

their own wisdom or to tap into other

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modalities um, of, of help for themselves.

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Thanks.

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Kathy Zhang: It's a great question.

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I always like to say that my

clients already have the answers.

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I'm not here to give people the answers.

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I'm here to really just tease it out

of them because, like you said, there

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is so much noise outside of us, right?

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On any given day, there's social

media, there's texts and notifications

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and all these things that come

externally and it makes it hard for

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us to hear our own inner Voices or

to tap into our own inner wisdom,

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feeling sensation, things like that.

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And so hypnosis is a way

to get people just relaxed.

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There are some people who on the

spectrum of how hypnotizable they

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are, there are some people of very,

a small portion of the population who

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could like get hypnotized and have

surgery without anesthesia, just from

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hypnosis, but for there are some people

who are just like, you know what, it

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felt really relaxing and other people

have some experience in the middle.

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And so Why not tap into

your own inner wisdom?

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Because we already know, right?

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Again, it's the same as if something

devastating and a big life event

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happens to you and you just wake up

one day and you're like, Oh my God.

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I need to change my life.

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You already know what you need to do.

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It's just that the external environment

finally shifted to a point where you,

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it generated enough emotion and enough

pain within you for you to say, Oh, okay.

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I know what I need to do, and

now I'm actually going to do it.

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And so, again, it's not as if anything

outside of you changed, or that you got

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extra information from the outside world.

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It's just that your priorities shifted,

and you were finally able to quiet

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the noise of the external world,

and know that, okay, This is what I

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need to do, and I'm going to do it.

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And when people know that, and

when people have access to that.

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They feel unstoppable, Dorrissa.

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Like, they just, they were like, there's

nothing wrong with the, in the world.

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Like, I understand that there's

problems and I'm in control of me.

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I'm in control of my own circumstances.

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And that is such a powerful experience

and I want everyone to have that.

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Dorrissa Griffin: Wow, I think that

would be amazing for everyone to have

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access to those types of experiences.

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And to be able to do so hopefully in not

as traumatic ways, but sometimes I love

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this quote from a Wrinkle in Time movie.

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It says the wound is

where the light enters.

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And sometimes it takes that for us

to get to that place where we're

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accepting of our own personal gifts,

where we're accepting of our own talent

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that we get to bring into the world

and really nurture that and grow it.

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And so I'm going to now shift us

into the topic of the 12th house,

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which is a little bit deeper dive

into the subconscious as well.

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The 12th house is probably that 93

percent that you mentioned that we

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don't understand about the iceberg.

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Yeah, the 12th house is

really, really deep.

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And so I'm going to quote from another

astrologer that I follow in his

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newest book, his new book is called

Mastering Traditional Astrology:

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a Depth of Beginning in the

Celestial Arts by Michael A.

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Bryan.

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He's a really powerful astrologer.

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And because he's so powerful, I want to

make sure I get the 12th house right.

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So I'm going to quote from his book.

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He says, The 12th house is the

house of self undoing, hidden

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enemies, and silent suffering.

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As a house of self undoing, it

represents the negative habits

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that prevent us from living a life

of complete happiness and joy.

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It can signify a feeling of being stuck.

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Isolated and unable to tap into

the fullness of our personal power.

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At the same time, it can symbolize

habit patterns of self-sabotage,

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and negative reactivity.

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Wow.

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That seems like something you

could help people with, Kathy.

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What do you think about that?

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Kathy Zhang: Okay, this is so good.

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So good.

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I, again, wrote a lot of notes.

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So, I don't know if you've

ever read this book.

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I highly, highly

recommend it for everyone.

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It's called The Big Leap,

L E A P, by Gay Hendrix.

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And on the cover is, I think, a

goldfish in a bowl and, like, the

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goldfish is leaping, I think, out

of the bowl or something like that.

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It is one, I've read so Countless,

countless personal development books.

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It is like top, it's probably

number one for me, I would say, but

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definitely top two or top three.

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Basically, the premise of the book is

that we all have kind of an internal

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thermostat of where we think we should

be or who we think we should be in life.

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And if life gets too good, then

we self sabotage unconsciously,

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unknowingly, to bring ourselves back

down to where we think we should be.

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And so some of the examples that he uses

are Um, you know, this one guy got a great

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promotion at work and something that he

always wanted and it was really great.

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He goes home and unconsciously starts

to pick a fight with his wife because

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he's not used to accepting more love,

success, wealth, abundance in their lives.

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And it's that Marianne Williamson

quote where our greatest fear is not

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that we're not enough or something.

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Our greatest fear is that we are more

powerful beyond we could ever imagine.

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Something like that.

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I'm butchering it.

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And so again, we're not

doing it on purpose.

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This is all lower iceberg stuff.

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This is all beneath the surface.

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This is years of programming from when

we were kids from societal messages.

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Or even things like discrimination

and racism which tells us

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we're not enough, right?

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Especially if you are a woman or a person

of color, like these are all messages

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that we take in and We get conditioned

from a young age, and when our nervous

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systems and our brains are really

forming the circuitry and the wiring,

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and then over time, as we repeat those

things, it just seems like second nature.

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It seems normal for us

to doubt our own power.

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It seems normal for us to to self

sabotage, like a relationship, right?

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Oh my God, this person is so wonderful.

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This partner is treating me really well.

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What's wrong with them?

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Right?

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Why are they doing this?

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And then we, we are like, Oh no,

there's something wrong with them.

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And we self sabotage the relationship,

which could otherwise be amazing

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and wonderful because we are

not used to being treated well.

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We're not used to having good

positive relationships in our

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lives as an example of that.

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And so one, I highly, highly

recommend everyone read that book.

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And two, that's something that hypnosis

can help with because it accesses that

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deeper level, which we're not aware of.

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We're like, why am I doing this to myself?

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Where, you know, Sometimes,

I'll get on an exercise regimen.

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I'm doing really great and I'm seeing

results, and then I'll just binge

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eat for no reason at all, right?

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I'm just like, oh, I want donuts,

and I don't even eat donuts.

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There's an element of self

sabotage in there for me, too,

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because I'll just give an example.

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For me, if deep down, if I think that

um, there's an association, a negative

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association with being seen as a

sexual being, then I'm not going to

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allow myself to feel healthy, or vita

like, or vivacious, or sexual, right?

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And so, there's a lot of stuff underneath.

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And so, when we can get down to

what's really there, it, it just

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blows everything wide open, and you

don't feel like there's a plateau.

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You don't feel like I'm getting stuck

when you don't want to be stuck.

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Dorrissa Griffin: Yeah, that is

just really, really incredible.

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I think those kind of self sabotaging

ways that we have that hidden self

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that we don't really even, even

know is kind of creeping up and,

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uh and taking us like off the

track that we intended for ourselves.

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It's just really amazing.

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And I'm just, So shocked that

the ancient wisdom of the world

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recognized that about who we are.

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And now we have tools like hypnosis

and things that that help us really

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understand that and uncover that.

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So that we can be more aware

and more cognizant of how we

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kind of go about those things.

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What might be some suggestions

that you would give people to

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help them to not self sabotage?

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I know definitely having a session

would be helpful, but what might be

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some other ways that people can work

on those aspects of who they are?

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Kathy Zhang: So, one of the best things

that I recommend for people is, one,

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to be aware of what you might be doing.

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If something good happens to you,

we're always conditioned to be like,

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when is the other going to, when

is the other shoe going to drop?

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Right?

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Like, oh, this is great, but

when is it going to, when is it

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going to start just unraveling?

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But what you're doing is you're priming

your nervous system to have that.

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And so when you prime your nervous

system and the energy that you

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give out of, Oh my God, oh my

God, when is it going to happen?

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If you keep asking that question,

the answer is going to arrive, right?

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When the other shoe drops and

then it's a confirmation bias.

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Oh, see, I knew it couldn't last.

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And so a question that you can start to

ask yourself, start to train yourself

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to get into the habit of asking is,

okay, how could this get better?

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How long can I allow myself to enjoy this?

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How can life be even more abundant?

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How can I allow myself

to have even more love?

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And it sounds really weird and

uncomfortable because it's foreign.

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It's not something we're used to.

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The more that you can do this and practice

this, the more that you can start to

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change the thermostat of what you're

comfortable with because if you all you've

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ever known is pain and suffering and when

good things happen to you, then you're

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not going to be equipped to hold space

and have capacity for all that goodness.

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So you need to slowly expand your capacity

to have good things happen to you.

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Dorrissa Griffin: We gotta have

more practice with good things.

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We gotta have, we gotta you know, figure

out a way to hold that space and enjoy

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it and savor it and cherish that time.

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It sounds like a lot of what people wish

when they get to the end of their life.

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They're wishing, I wish I would

have spent more time with my family.

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I wish I would have gotten that

pet that I wanted for so long.

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I wish I would have taken that

trip or, or done this or that um,

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or started that business or acted

on that dream that I've held in my,

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in you know, in my mind for so long.

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So it's just sounds like we need

to take time to really savor life

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and to savor those moments to

help us not sabotage ourselves.

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Is that right?

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Kathy Zhang: Absolutely, and if anyone

listening out there has just has a sense

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that, hey, you know what, maybe I will

take the next smallest step towards

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that thing I've always wanted to do,

but I've been too scared to do, then

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I feel like I've done my job, right?

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That's the goal, is to really help

people to embrace the now, is to

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Live the life that you want now,

rather than decades later when you're

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on your deathbed wishing that you

should have done something different.

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That's not the time.

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The time is now.

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And there's so many tools, and there's

so many resources, this podcast you,

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yourself, and how you can help people.

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It's all within you.

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And so just believe that, trust yourself,

and just take the next smallest step.

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It doesn't have to be something wild.

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Just the next smallest.

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And that's progress.

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Dorrissa Griffin: Yes, just take

the next step and Be in the sense of

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understanding that that's all you need.

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You don't have to have

everything laid out.

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You just have to take the next step.

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And it can be a small one.

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It doesn't have to be some huge leap.

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It could just be the next logical thing

or the next thing that you feel drawn

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to that can really make the difference.

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Oh, I love that.

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I've had such a great time

talking with you, Kathy.

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And I want to begin to close the

podcast by asking one of my wonderful

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questions that I love to ask my

guests called the "Three Wise".

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And it's like the gifts of the

Magi they gave three gifts to this

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new soul that entered the world.

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And We're all kind of

like that in a sense.

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We all come into this world, hopefully in

a loving kind of environment, but we're

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all, in a sense, a gift to the world.

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And it's a beautiful thing

when people reciprocate that.

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And so I would love to know what

have been your three wise?

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What have been things that have

blessed you on your journey?

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And I call it three sayings,

three sages, or three sounds.

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So that's three, either people that

have kind of helped you understand

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or that you've really connected with,

three sayings or affirmations or

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principles that you follow, or three

sounds, three music pieces that you

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listen to, or films that have really

inspired you on your cosmic journey.

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Kathy Zhang: Wow, okay, so Hmm, so

I have to pick either people saying

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or a combination of all of them.

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Oh Okay So the first one that comes

to mind is this saying it may or may

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not be attributed to Confucius which

is "Every man, human, has two lives.

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The second starts the moment

you realize you only have one."

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And that is something that I

love, obviously, because of the

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implications of life and death and

hospice and everything like that.

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Gosh, what else?

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People wise, My, my family, my,

my mom, my dad, my husband, they

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have just been so supportive in

everything that I've done in my life.

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And they, in their own

ways, are quite woo as well.

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And helping to nurture my own

spirituality in that sense has

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been really transformative and

again, transcendent in my life.

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And then, another.

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One is the Bobby McFerrin

song, Don't Worry, Be Happy.

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I know it sounds really silly,

but there's this, there's this

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kind of a image or a matrix.

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It's like a decision tree, right?

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And which I love, which

is, do you have a problem?

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Yes or no?

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Okay.

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If yes, can you do anything about it?

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Yes or no?

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So if yes, Then the answer is why worry?

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And if no, then the

answer is also why worry?

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Right?

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And that is a constant reminder that

there's so much out there beyond

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our control, and why worry about it?

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If it's within our control,

why worry about it?

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We can do something about it.

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If it's not, why worry about it?

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And so I leave people with that.

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Dorrissa Griffin: That's fantastic.

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Thank you so much, Kathy, for joining us.

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I would love to know how we can

stay connected to you and how

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we could support you in any way.

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Kathy Zhang: Yeah, so my Instagram

is @dr.luyikathyzhang and my website

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is luyikathyzhang.com as well.

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L U Y I, Kathy with a K, Z H A N G.

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Dorrissa Griffin: Right.

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Well, Kathy, it's been

an immense pleasure.

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Thank you so much for coming on to the

Confidence by the STARS podcast and

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sharing your wisdom with us, for helping

us to understand how precious life

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truly is and how we have to savor her.

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Every moment.

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Thank you so much.

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Kathy Zhang: Thank you, Dorrissa.

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It's been a great time.

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Dorrissa Griffin: Alrighty.

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