This podcast episode features a profound exploration of the intricacies of golf instruction, particularly through the lens of Kate McMahon, a distinguished figure within the golfing community. McMahon articulates the necessity of simplifying the complexities inherent in golf, especially for recreational players who may be daunted by advanced technological teaching methods. She emphasizes that the fundamental mechanics of the golf swing should be prioritized over overwhelming data, advocating for an approach that fosters understanding over mere memorization. Her innovative teaching methodology, encapsulated in the concept of "GCAP," delineates a structured pre-shot routine that enhances both efficiency and effectiveness for golfers of all skill levels. As we engage in this enlightening dialogue, we delve into the common pitfalls that golfers encounter and the imperative of establishing a solid foundation for improvement, ultimately aiming to enrich the golfing experience for all participants.

Links referenced in this episode:

1. birdieball.com
2. educatedgolf.com
3. educatepatientgolf.com

Companies mentioned in this episode:

1. LPGA
2. Golf Magazine
3. Golf Digest
4. Birdie Ball
5. Westin Kia
6. Painted Hills Beef

it's time for grilling at the green join jeff tracy as he explores the golfing lifestyle and tries to keep it in the short grass for the hackers new sweepers and turf spankers here's jeff everybody welcome to grilling at the green i am jeff tracy how's your golf and your food this week as you can tell my food is more than abundant but my golf game is in a constant flux but that's why we talk to people like my guest today kate mcmahon k is i actually printed out all your accolades but i ran out of paper okay so i will say a few things kay's in the lpga professionals hall of fame lpga top fifty and the best teachers golf magazine top regional teacher lpj national teacher of the year golf digest fifty best women teachers in america so on and so on and so on and the past president of lpga professionals so welcome thank

you thank you jeff for having me so it's kind of fun listening to talk about you're running out of paper so it's kind of i've been i've been around here for a while we'll just say put it that way well

two weeks is a long time now

that's right that's right that's right tell

us about your practice and i don't mean your practice sessions i mean your practice of what you teach people because one of the things if you'll allow me to kind of guide you a bit is that you i watched a couple of your videos and stuff and you were like basic fundamentals if you'll allow me old school because i'm old school like that versus all the high tech stuff i mean it has a place i'm not i'm not again it as they used to say in the movies but i think sometimes people and especially a little later in life can get overwhelmed by the high tech you know teaching stuff so tell us about how you teach and your thoughts on what i just asked well i think

you're absolutely right we're in the age of technology and i've actually been using a lot of technology for a long time i've been using video way back everyone said that we should be shouldn't be using video because nobody wanted to see their swings or whatever so i will go back at least thirty years the first video machine i had that i had to bring on the thing was like a small closet the three guys had to bring out for me so now we're down to my ipad so it's had this progression i do think though the technology and all the numbers and all the data are good for your let's say elite golfer you're one that's your single digit probably but even some of them don't know what to do with all the numbers they kind of think that they do the numbers are important the way i think that we got a recreational golfer out there and there's more of them than the elite golfer really we have to simplify how we actually teach it and i think the whole industry talks about growing the game well i say you have to grow golfers to grow the game and and to do that if we get so complicated they feel like every person that comes to me goes well and i say this all the time they got one thousand one things to do in one point two seconds and they go i know i don't know which one to do so it gets too complicated so i've been the last good twenty five years twenty years trying to simplify it for the average person i can take all that information but i think you got to make it simple because i do believe the golf swing is simple the game's hard but the golf swing simple yeah yeah

and you know i was in thinking about this show today you can and people listen to show has heard me say this a hundred different times you can go to the golf magazines you can go to the online stuff it's all good don't get me wrong but there'll be fifty different ways to hit a wedge shot just as a made up example and i think people get a little confused i mean if you're a nerd like i kind of am you dig into it and you go yeah yeah yeah yeah okay but if just the average golfer is saying that and one person's okay you put a towel under here and you do this or you spin three times to the right and put an orange in your ear you know whatever it is i think they can get overwhelmed with that and i agree to your previous statement that the technology is good but what do you do with it okay so let me preface it by that and

most people don't know what to do with it i've had people that own simulators and i finally said do you understand the numbers that are on the bottom and they go no i said how long have you had this machine they go for a couple years and i'm going and you have this thing that just it shows you the ball flight which does help because people look off the ball flight but they don't know what the numbers mean et cetera et cetera so you're absolutely right that it's important but for the average golfer they want to learn how to make solid contact and so i don't talk about the numbers very often to people i mean i have to understand them but i think what we don't do as a profession is everybody talks about the ball and really if you have to understand how i teach it is you have to understand the tool let's understand how the club is designed and let's understand how to operate the tool so i talk about it like you got a hammer and a nail it's not about the nail the nail is not going to do anything unless i operate that hammer correctly right and i think that that's more the value of where how does this club work most people don't even understand how the club is designed that's the first thing i teach them all the clubs are different each club is different than the next

sure do you think sometimes k though that with oh gosh there's a million golf videos out there now and and some of them are a lot of fun and some of them are very instructional some of them are a bit redundant that goes any any sport anything you like to do but should the person when they're when they're getting a lesson from k should they think i've my swing has got to be exactly like the video said or should it be i've got to do the mechanics the best i can and that's what my swing turns out to be does

that make sense yes i talk about them i'll answer this in kind of in two parts is that everyone talks about the mental aspect and there's a whole bunch of sports gurus out there i think that's important and it's important to feel confident but i think you really have to have mechanics first to be confident because if i keep topping the ball let's just say or hitting it in the woods i can feel as confident as i want to but i'm still hitting it in the woods so if i can have some success at hitting a golf ball relatively straight and in the air i'm going to start to feel more confident so i sometimes think we get the confidence factor the carriage before the horse kind of backwards so i think that they really have to understand mechanics now the second part of that i'll answer it this way everyone's different i think the club has to be somewhere in a zone to hit the ball and when i talk about it it has to be somewhere where it's relatively on a good path and relatively square yeah yeah no

i i i just like i i honestly didn't have a golf lesson until probably ten years ago okay and and i played okay for the amount of that i played all right i would have friends that i knew were really good golfers and played with they'd they'd help me a little bit like on a chip shot or something like that but i never asked and then when i started doing the golf media stuff because i worked in media another aspect and so i i hooked up with a teacher and he he helped me through some stuff and i learned a ton i i just learned a ton and probably the biggest thing i learned was more definitively the reasons why i was doing certain things right or wrong why i was doing them and i think that that helped me i would always recommend that somebody go to a professional like you know even if they only did it a half a dozen times it will help well i think

what a lot of people if i look at the statistics a lot of people want to take lessons but they're afraid and this is the concept they have that they're going to get worse if they take a lesson so sometimes they want to stay kind of right where they are now i think what happens is when they do take a lesson they're not positive if they're getting a good lesson or a bad lesson so going back to what you said i think if you can understand what you're doing or why the ball goes into the woods or why you top it you have a better way of them playing so it's better to understand it so i think that a lot of people should take lessons one of the recommendations i usually say is if you're going to take lessons go interview go talk to that person first before you take the lesson if they're on the same page if they want to listen to you if the goals match rather than just first taking lesson and i think it's very helpful so i always offer an introductory phone call with me first to find out if they like it and then i also what i do is i give them a money back guarantee for that first lesson if they don't like what i have to say they don't have to pay they have to come and find out if they like my menu i'll put

it well there you go kay and i are going to take a quick break and we're going to be back here on grilling at the green just a couple minutes stay with us ready

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welcome back to grilling it's green of course i'm jt and today we've got kay mcmahon with us kay is a well known teacher but i was just gonna make a joke about between florida and and maine and new york and all these places that you have or do still teach and because i'm looking out the window right here out of the studio and it's snowing so i'm i'm jealous of especially when you say florida like that i'll make you

feel better i'm in upstate new york right now and i've got about two feet of snow out that window so okay but i'm teaching in some simulators now so i'm not even in florida

right now oh good for you good for you one of the things one of your videos that i watched was gcap if you will the explanation of that and i thought that was very interesting as far as what we were talking about in the previous segment maybe if you've never had a lesson or you're just getting into the game i thought that was really appropriate and i'd like you to kind of how did you develop that and how effective has it been for you and your students

well i will say this it is probably the most effective thing that i teach and i'll explain what gcap stands for gcap is how you set up or have a pre shot routine and everyone talks about a pre shot routine but they really don't know what it means typically in the industry when you're starting out everyone teaches you posture first they teach posture and then i get all these people in a very strange posture position and if they can hit a golf ball with these strange posture positions i know they can hit a golf ball if i can get them in a posture position so i believe that we teach posture out of order and in twenty five thirty years i have yet to teach posture but i can get anybody in a perfect posture position position without teaching it so g cap stands for the order of how we get set up the g will stand for grip the c stands for the club head the a stands for alignment which is simply a line across my toes and the p stands for posture so my analogy is this is that let's say we're going to set the table for dinner and we've got the placemat the plates the silverware the cups and sauces and everything so it's all the same stuff all right so do you put the plate down first and then the placemat no because it's the wrong order so we teach posture first but the way golf pros do it is and every every time every amateur i've taught for the last twenty years as soon as i teach them that they go that's exactly what golf pros do so most amateurs waddle up to the ball and i call it the penguin walk and they set their feet first see you can identify you singing it that's the penguin walk yeah yep all right and then they grip the club and then they don't know how far to stand from the ball and then they fiddle in and they did and then they they look like they're milking the cow with their grip because they keep doing this pumping thing and then they look at the thing and then they put the club across there and then they misaligned it and for right hand golfers they hit it up to the right because they're always lined up to the right so the way going back to your question of how i developed it people would come back to me my first years of teaching and they were still lined up to the right and i'd go put the lines down on this and i go are they either stupid or am i stupid now i'm still collecting the money but they they weren't aligned right and i realized that it was me that had to change and so when i realized that how i do it is i pick the club up in the air first and i get my grip with the club up in the air and what golf pros are doing at that point is i don't have a club with me today but they're getting the leading edge perpendicular to the ground or what's known as we talk about a square club face okay now every club is different so every club is a different length and every club is differently designed irons the handle sits ahead and woods the handle sits behind and it's designed like an airplane wing so if i first pick the club up and then i take my back foot in this case would be my right foot for as a right handed golfer i step in i set the club down as it's designed and then i go left foot right foot and everyone gets lined up perfectly aimed at their target they know how far to stand from the ball they take one look at and they're in a perfect posture position and they spend less time over the ball and and i've had a group of beginners when i first did this they actually saved fifteen to twenty seconds per swing because they actually didn't fiddle and diddle over the ball so we call it gcap and it's a simple system of setting up from your putter to your driver and everyone loves it they go well this is too simple and i go well i could make it more complicated but there's

no reason to yeah i'm a big guy okay i've put on the poundage over the years i'm not you know thin and svelte like i used to be if i ever was maybe when i was four but the point is they start messing with that and bruce my original guy had something very similar to what you just explained was you know grip the club step up you know do that hit the ball i mean it was like one two three four bang you know it wasn't a come up there and fiddle with your feet i like your milking a cow i grew up on a farm so i i like that analogy there you know and and all that and i see that a lot and i play in a lot of scramble semi celebrity tournaments the biggest celebrity as you can get where i live which isn't too big but you know you do that and a lot of these folks that haven't played a lot they're out there and they're trying to do this and they're trying to line up and then they you know they're they're doing this and then their friend in the golf cart is trying to instruct them which is just another form of disaster waiting to happen and so i i'm when i saw that i thought i yeah i had to bring that up with

you on the show yeah it's it's really interesting because i always start that way and everybody recognizes that what i call the penguin walk and they go i do that and then they're told to keep their arms straight stick their rear end out bend their knees more and actually when they bend their knees more it sets them back and so then they they bob up because they're they're you know it's true you've seen it and then people you know so i always say when i when i'm starting out i say at the age of one you learn posture you learn how to stand up so you already know posture by the age of thirteen your mother told you to stand up a little straighter so that's the second person that's the next person that's going to teach you then you meet your golf pro now they're going to teach you posture you already know posture but the club actually because of how it's designed if you set it down as it's designed by stepping in then you're actually aiming the club head as opposed to trying to align your feet then what you're really doing is when you set your feet you're really aligning your feet to the club head and everyone is perfectly lined up they don't have to fill in the middle because the optical illusion is that their feet are going either to the right or to the left of target because of where our eyesight is but we've proven too that it really does save fifteen to twenty seconds per shot that's a half an hour per round yeah that's a lot that's a lot i mean yeah we want to start a whole national campaign of you don't have to run your golf ball we don't have to i can speed up play by just changing people's setup period i'll support you

on that i will kay and i are going to take a break we're going to be back in just a couple of minutes with more grilling at the green proudly part of the golf news network i might say we'll be right back hey everybody it's jt you know i talk about painted hills all the time and we always say beef the way nature intended but it's more than that because each bite of painted hills will make your taste buds explode put a big bright smile on your face and whoever's at your dinner table will have a big bright smile on their face and you can thank me for that later just go to paintedhillsbeef dot com and find out more you won't regret it welcome back to grilling it's green i'm jt along with kay mcmahon today anybody ever ask you if you were related to ed mcmahon many

times yeah i'm sure yeah the other one they asked me about was remember jim mcmahon the football player oh sure he was he was a little crazier than even ed yeah i'm not related

i i don't see you stabbing yourself in the eye with a fork okay like jim mcmahon did i didn't i don't see that all the time you've been teaching what has been your most common besides what we just talked about with gcap but somebody comes to you and maybe they've been playing for a while and is there a common theme through these students that you kind of look at it and you go you know if you just did this one or two small things you'd have a much better time out there on the

golf course yes most people either top the ball or they slice it yeah you probably agreed okay so topping the ball is probably the number one error and when people top it this is the number one error of the million lessons that i've given is they take the club and at impact they're flipping their hands so what happens is the leading edge of the club their brain says well that's going to get the golf ball more airborne because that increases the loft but what it does is the leading edge comes up and tops the ball so they keep flipping and you'll see then everyone's got this chicken wing now everyone thinks that the left the forward arm in this case right hand is the forward arm has to stay straight so they focus on the elbow the number one principle back to basics is whatever your hand wrists do that operates that club head like the steering wheel in a car i gotta be able to do something here but everyone tends to flip it so what i really do is talk a lot about the hands and how the hands have to actually work if your backhand wrists can stay more in what we call extension which is a slight bend of it this way then the stay square but we all take that club and we think we have to do it like a fly swatter as as opposed to basically swinging almost learning how to swing the handle that's the number one error in the golf swing the second error is most people will come over the top of the swing plane okay but the cause of it is and this is a cha ism the entire golf industry industry talks about turn your hips first turn your hips first turn your hips first the number one principle as soon as i turn my hips that turns my shoulder line the club head will always follow my shoulder line and it'll come across the ball will either pull it top it or slice it right and most people are slicers so in the golf swing i never talk about the hips okay that's the last thing that happens the golf swing is primarily your arms and your hands like if i'm going to throw a ball and releasing your back leg if you release your back leg like throwing a ball underhand that turns the hips in the proper sequence and in the proper order we get the hips turning by teaching people not to turn their hips i actually get the proper sequencing and they actually can hit the ball better because then they're better what we call on plane and the plane of the golf swing is determined by the angle of the shaft in the ground

you got you know i'm i'm over twelve so and and i don't turn as well as i used to and i the listeners have heard me so i've had some i've had some issues and i got them fixed in my back and stuff but i don't you know i'm a little slight on the on the hip sometimes if you will like that all right i think i've made up for it with maybe some extra upper body strength at times i don't know i had somebody tell me that once but do you think that as people get older and you know unless they're jack lalanne or something and i know you would know who that was so maybe you can't rotate as much is it necessary for them to to i mean we're not out there trying to you know hit the ball like scotty scheffler my god you know we're just trying to have a

good time right i think i'll go back to one of my men well one of my mentors which is shirley spork who's now deceased but a founding member of the lpj and very good mentor and she'd say to me kay well how much do how can i get more distance and i go well you need to create more levers so you got to bend your left arm she said you're absolutely right so you because you don't rotate as much and then people try to get this forward arm so stiff right it starts to press into your pectoral muscles now as you guys get a little older you start to get a little thicker yep

yep yep okay true story i know

just observations so you have to actually soften your elbow to get a little bit more turn you have to turn your hips a little bit more but the but the bigger thing is to really get your arms to operate correctly when we talk about the forward arm being straight okay i'm not so worried about this i'm always more worried about if this wrist stays flat and when we get to impact and beyond we would like both arms to be extended people focus on this arm it's a two arm swing it's we're going to swing both arms so if i can keep both arms relatively the same length i'm going to be able to operate the club better does that make sure

yeah yeah no it's just another thing i want to get get your take on is when you play with somebody that thinks they're helping you and they're not and and you'll hear them say you picked your head up and it's like no i didn't you know oh yeah you raised you know i mean there i can tell you that there's times i've kind of raised up and stepped out of a swing for whatever reason maybe a bee was flying in my ear or you know the scotch wore off or whatever i don't know but i'm just saying that that's one thing that just irritates me is like you pick your head up keep your head down like i like to take my wedge my gap wedge over there and help them keep their head down so they wouldn't talk all right let

me address that i'll address that in three ways okay number one the cause of what makes you look like you have your head up is when you flip your wrist soon as you do that the club head gets ahead of you your weight goes backwards and it looks like this shoulder comes up so then people pick on your head because that's all they can see but the cause is that your wrists flip okay you just said i step out of it the cause of that is if i bring the club head what we would call over the swing plane or over the top that weight is too heavy out there and so then we have to come in like this yeah we'll lose our balance and that's why you step out of it so the causes are the same thing i just talked about now regarding the guy i'll pick on guys on this one quite all right that says keep your head down okay i once had an assistant and her father would keep telling her that and she'd taken some lessons and she wasn't very good and by the time she finished eighteen holes she always went to the bar and cried and had a drink so i have my five pink tea rule then anybody that gives you advice before you play okay you give them five pink tees they don't have to be pink but you can use pink every time they give you a piece of advice you have to take a tee back okay so she did this with her father as a great example well he gave her four pieces of advice instead of eighteen for eighteen holes he had to hang onto that one last t until he went to the bar and then he gave her one more piece of advice when they were finished so you're limiting how much they can say yeah that's

a good idea i actually just quit playing golf with him because he was

such a that's another that's another way to approach it that's that's another way

so what is golf eight point five k i mean i know but i need you to tell our listeners and

viewers please all right i've simplified it into golf eight point five stands for four things you do before the swing which we call gcap you're set up that's the setup setting the table for dinner blah blah blah we learn things for and there are four only four and a half positions in the golf swing so that adds up to eight point five four things before and only four and a half things that you have to do in the golf swing all right now we learn it's called chunking is what it's called if you do something in little chunks you have a three hundred percent retention level so there's only four positions in the golf swing and so when i say zones everyone's going to do this slightly differently but you're going to get somewhere in this in kind of a zone of like throwing a ball like a baseball at the catcher somewhere in this area and you're throwing strikes all right the better you get we can narrow those zones and the more not as agile we'll widen those zones so basically the takeaway is that the club in my arms look like the letter y i have a y when i take it back i've turned okay top of my backswing becomes an l the l stands for leverage all right all right now when i have a club in my hand it kind of looks like a box we talk about that like an elevator well the elevator has to come down first and in our technology world we call that lag okay if i do my hips first i lose my lever and all my speeds out there so there's three positions of the backswing i have a y an l an elevator and then there's a forward y with my back leg released where my both arms are extended and then i have two l's so there's only four and a half positions in the golf

swing we're going to take another break come back and wrap up the show with k mcmahon and this has been fun this has been a lot of fun we'll be right back ready for

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core hey everybody jt here if you need something to practice with in the inclement weather try birdie ball go to birdieball dot com check out the actual birdie balls their packages their putting greens which i happen to have a couple of those and they work great birdieball dot com welcome back i'm jt we're talking with k mcmahon today is it

educate dot com educate patientgolf dot com yeah educate we got to put the k a y in the middle of

it all right okay okay we'll we'll talk more about that when we get closer to wrapping up the show the we talked about everybody's the the you know the the parts of the golf swing the things that you've seen over the years how have you changed though and and since you started you know that's only a month ago but you you started and you know you've evolved we all do but how is your teaching evolved

that's a great question in the fact that my background is in physical education health and kinesiology so everyone said i wanted to be a good player and i was a fair player but i did start late and i really wanted to be a famous player so i could be a famous teacher i kind of had it backwards so i ended up teacher but it's evolved in the fact that i was kind of teaching it very traditionally of how i had been taught when i realized that people weren't getting it as fast as they should i knew that i had to make it simpler i had to make it easier for people to understand and my teaching has evolved in the fact that if i get people to understand what they're trying to do the why that we talk about why am i they have a much better way of doing it so that's evolved a lot and the other thing is it's really evolved into what i call golf eight point five because i now know that when i taught girls basketball we never got the basketballs right away because we had to figure out how our hand had to move so you have to understand the movement first in little chunks yeah that's the biggest thing the second thing is that when i teach it i teach in sometimes in lots of partners and i call this it's called binary feedback which means that the partner gets to say you asked about advice before which is breaking a rule in golf i think it's eight point two or something that you can't

get

that if you have a swing buddy that you say i'm going to be working on my takeaway you get to say yes and no if i have a why that's all you get to say is yes and no or three things yes no nice shot honey and that's called binary feedback what we've learned from my research is that if you give somebody a yes and no within three swings the person will change not by you telling them because they already know what to do so it's really evolved into really understanding more of how people learn and making it simple so those are the basic things a lot of people i think in the industry don't like to teach it as parts but golf pros when they practice they're practicing positions all the time they want to know where that club is

oh sure sure another quick question every once in a while i'll ask somebody this question kay do you think people when they go to the range or even if they go to their net in the backyard however they have it do you think they actually hit too many balls

i think there's a more effective way of practicing okay if you practice you need as much sensory feedback as you can get so people need to practice in slow motion not in fast speed so people go whack golf balls all the time that's not practice i have let's say a number of people that actually practice in parts i'll give you an example of a fifteen year old lady young lady she's one hundred eight pounds hits the ball two hundred seventy her swing speed's one hundred miles an hour and every night she has to do our four and a half parts in parts she does it one hundred times and her swing speed does that when they go to the range you're wasting energy when i change my swing i only hit the ball twenty yards and i go pick up the ball hit the ball twenty yards and i could do that three or four times earth with five or six buckets without wasting energy it's a more effective way of practicing yeah because i

see them you know go to the range and they've got a large bucket and they're just pounding them just and they hardly take a breath in between shots and it's like i learned and this works for me i learned before that i hit a shot and then i actually and this is common i wait to hit another ball like i would be if i was on the course so if it's you know two or three minutes to get to your ball and and set up or whatever you know you know you know the courses you're playing that's how i i do it instead of just boom pow boom pow like that's actually worked for me because it's made me kind of take a breath slow down a little bit kind of i don't have swing thoughts because it's easier for me to have an empty head and so i work in the media we all have empty heads okay so i'm just saying though that i don't try if i'm thinking about doing something like you know bringing it up a little higher or whatever the example would be i just think of that and only that if not i don't hardly think of anything except just you know doing my version of your g cap getting up and hitting the ball but i i gave up a long time ago of just pounding you know two hundred balls at

a time i call that ruthie rake it in because they're just they're hanging onto it but i will say this people should take practice swings with a purpose so i may be working on my backswing i might be working on my takeaway so give yourself a practice do do three or four practice things where you actually do it look at it the club is is it closed what is it give yourself as much sensory feedback as you can get so during your practice swings you can have purpose i see people take these practice swings and they look like a whirly bird and they hit the ground a practice swing should have a purpose especially when you're out there the other thing that i highly recommend is you can get these inch and a quarter tees most people when you go to a range you're hitting off a hard pan you're hitting off of grass that a golf pro would never hit off of they're hitting off of perfect turf on their ranges and you can roll the ball up and get perfect lie even on the range that they're on put it on a tee if you knock the tee out of the ground it's going to be helpful the other thing the tee helps is for anyone that has joint injuries the tee is your best shock absorber just practice on tees practice on tees practice on tees not long ones short ones no no the

little ones i got a bag full of k mcmahon hey again tell everybody how they can find you you're very

good okay the www obviously educationgolf dot com but it's spelled e d u k a y my name yes k o n golf dot com and i will say this i do online lessons so you can be anywhere in the world and i videotape the whole swing or your the whole lesson you get a voiceover of everything and i also do recordings and schematics etc on so i'm very high tech on that but it's not a lot of data you get a whole library of your swings

also with me very good came mcmahon thank you kay is going to stick around for the abusive after hours but i want to thank her for being part of the show and don't forget we've got the portland golf show coming up and we'll be streaming live for an hour there every day it's going to go on the social media platforms the bane of my existence and also golf news network so until then go out play some golf have some fun but most of all be kind take care everybody grilling at the green is produced by jtsd productions llc in association with salem media group all rights reserve