In this episode of The 411 Live: Real People, Real Talk, host Beverly Taylor sits down with Milwaukee Pastors, Darryl Seay (Liberty and Truth Ministries) and Pastor Robert Bell (Life Church Milwaukee) for a powerful conversation on spiritual healing, forgiveness, and restorative justice through the lens of the “I Dare You to Heal” movement.
Pastor Robert shares a raw, personal journey from childhood trauma, gang involvement, and years in and out of incarceration to a life-transforming moment of surrender, identity, and purpose.
Together, the guests unpack what it truly means to “cancel the debt” of unforgiveness, why forgiveness is often an act of faith (not feelings), and how healing can move from personal restoration to city-wide change.
Listeners are invited to take the I Dare You to Heal pledge, starting with the personal pledge and expanding into their profession and community role because when we choose healing, our city moves and hope comes alive.
Key takeaways
• Healing starts with a choice to stand for unity, compassion, and change.
• Faith communities can be “safe places” when they become trauma-informed and action-oriented.
• Forgiveness is canceling the debt and it frees the person holding the pain, even if the other person never owns it.
• Forgiveness isn’t always emotional often it’s faith and obedience, not a feeling. • Restorative justice is accountability with restoration, transforming both the harmed person and the one who caused harm.
• Healed people become healers, and the movement can spark real change in Milwaukee especially when it reaches and restores men.
🎧 Listen, reflect, and take the pledge because healing isn’t just personal, it’s powerful.
[00:03:16] The pledge explained: 9 categories + “start with the personal pledge”
[00:08:41] Pastor Robert’s turning point: first incarceration at 14 + the road of anger and survival
[00:14:30] I’ve been your father the whole time” (breakthrough moment of healing and identity)
[00:18:34] Public forgiveness with his mom at graduation + the “power of forgiveness” hits the room
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