How do you make data analytics fun and engaging? In this episode, I chat with YouTube sensation Thu Vu. We discuss Python's growing significance, trends in the data job market, plus get a sneak peek into her new initiative, Python for AI Projects.

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None of the projects that I posted on my channel, I knew

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beforehand that it would work.

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It was just sometimes

it's completely absurd.

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And I thought, yeah, like,

how could I make it work?

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And then several days, like tinkering

with my code and try to like, look at

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other tutorials, look up things on Stack

Overflow and see if anyone has any.

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ever done something like this.

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Yeah.

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So it's also a lot of

like findings for me.

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Sometimes you have to be creative

and solve your own challenge and your

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own problems because yeah, you always

encounter something in your project.

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The good mindset is just, uh,

like there's got to be a solution.

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So don't give up.

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When you first see an error

or see like a problem.

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Avery: All right.

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If you are watching on YouTube or

you've ever looked up data analytics on

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YouTube, you've probably seen, uh, Tu

Vu, our guest today, one of her videos,

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because they are absolutely amazing.

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Uh, in the past, she's been a data

analytics consultant with companies

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like PWC, uh, and she's a prolific.

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Content creator in the data analytics

space to welcome to the podcast.

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Thu Vu: Thanks, Abby.

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It's, it's really, really

a great introduction.

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So kind of you.

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Of course,

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Avery: it's

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Thu Vu: my pleasure

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Avery: to be here.

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Of course.

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I'm so glad to have you here.

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One thing that I love about your videos,

uh, is you do some pretty cool projects.

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Uh, you do some pretty cool.

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Things with, with ai, things with

machine learning, things with just data

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analytics and data science in general.

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And I think we need more of

that on YouTube, more like

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actual projects being done.

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I think you do a great job of doing that.

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Thu Vu: Yeah, absolutely.

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I think, um, people talk about data

science or machine learning or AI a

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lot, but I think what I personally

missed, it was like some kind of

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like a hands-on demonstration of how

you're gonna use a new technology,

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let's say, uh, like a, a network.

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analytics or some AI, some cool AI

models or large language models, how

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you can apply it to your own problem

and also demonstrate it like end to end

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almost, um, how you start with an idea,

how you get, um, inspired, how, uh, how

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you think about the problem, how you

frame it and how you Kind of go step by

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step, explore it further and further.

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And then in the end you have something

that you can show to other people.

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And hopefully it's a little bit useful

and um, yeah, hopefully you have fun.

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So that is kind of the idea that I kind

of like, yeah, it was not, The first

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thing that I, um, actually started

when I, um, yeah, when I started

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making videos on YouTube, um, it just

occurred to me that people really

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liked it and people really appreciate

the effort to think something so much,

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uh, yeah, think through, uh, some, a

particular topic in such a great detail.

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Also kind of hopefully inspire other

use cases for people to try out.

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Yeah, so that, that was

kind of like the motivation.

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And up until now, that's kind

of like, that is the type of

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video that I really like making,

although it takes a lot of effort.

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And of course, like I lost

some hair because of it, but

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yeah, it was fun and hopefully

helpful for other people as well.

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Avery: I think so.

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And I think it's very impressive because

it's not easy to make technical videos and

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make technical videos engaging for like

a YouTube audience, which, uh, I think a

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lot of people watch a video for like 35

seconds and then skip to the next one.

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So your, your ability to, to kind of

capture these technical things in a, you

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know, shorter video, but not like too

short, uh, I think is very impressive.

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Uh, have you always enjoyed

making fun projects like this?

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Thu Vu: I think at the beginning,

it was kind of a struggle.

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I think it was like, yeah, I think without

a lot of, like, experience with, uh,

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you know, like making tutorials, it was

also kind of like always like climbing

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such a, like a big mountain every time.

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Like how you talk through everything,

how you explain everything, every

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little step that you make, uh, making

the, like the screen recording and also

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kind of like, So kind of like nice B

rolls, you know, like in YouTube, you

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have like all these kind of like fun

thing that you film yourself and then

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combine it in, in like a good storyline.

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I think that that was kind

of a struggle for me in data

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science or machine learning.

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You can always find some kind

of like a project in terms of a

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blog post or, um, like a Jupyter

notebook or a GitHub repository.

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And that, um, yeah, that's usually

how people think about these projects.

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But like, how you present it in a video in

an engaging way, I think it was like the,

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the biggest, yeah, it was a challenge.

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At the beginning I was scared.

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I was totally like, I, I didn't really,

I could not really enjoy filming myself

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and like make such a complex explanation.

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I was kind of uncomfortable with it.

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At the start, but it

got better and better.

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I know how to kind of like prepare

my scripts, how to kind of like,

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think about it, maybe a few days,

come up, come back to the project

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and refine what I want to tell.

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And, uh, it, the workflow gets better.

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Better and better.

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Uh, so it's also less scary and I'm

also not a native English speaker.

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So sometimes there are a lot

of concepts I want to explain,

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uh, and I like words for it.

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I love the way to, to explain it.

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And that's also frustrated.

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Uh, but yeah, it's, uh, yeah, all of

these struggles, I think it's kind of

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like, it's worth the effort for me and I

think it's really rewarding to, to create.

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That's kind of my, uh, like

how, how it went for me.

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Avery: It's, it's really impressive,

especially, especially like

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in a, in a second or, or how

many languages do you speak?

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Thu Vu: I speak, uh, Vietnamese as a,

uh, as a mother tongue and my, uh, yeah,

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definitely the next language is English.

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And I also speak Dutch because

I've been living in the

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Netherlands for the last 10 years.

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That's so

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Avery: impressive.

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That's so impressive to be creating this

good of content in your second language.

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Now let's talk about a little

bit more about projects.

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So one of the cool things that you've

done is you've built a project to analyze

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your finances, uh, with like a local LLMs.

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Like you basically created your,

your own version of like chat GPT to

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specifically look at your finances.

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Now that's crazy because.

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Like I think most people would

probably just like do something

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easier to do that, but you're

like, no, I want to make it cool.

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I want to make it hard.

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Have you always been interested

in like creating kind of cool

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personal pet projects like this?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Thu Vu: Yeah.

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Thanks for pointing it out.

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I think that's also kind of like one

of the projects that I got some really,

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like some people saying on YouTube.

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Oh, like you, you just invented something

that was completely unnecessary because

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like on the, like the bank banking app

that you are using, probably you also have

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kind of the insights feature where you

can also have the same, do the same thing.

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But yeah, yeah, I know about that

feature, but I was like, huh, how can

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I use, uh, an LLM to help me with this?

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And because I download my bank statements

all the time, uh, and I like in.

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Yeah, I just like looking at

it myself and see in detail

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what kind of expenses I make.

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Yeah, so that was the

start of the challenge.

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And, uh, yeah, that video got a lot

of, uh, nice, um, uh, yeah, nice

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feedback because I think people

really like to have feedback.

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Something that is a bit private,

like, uh, when you have an LLM

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and you, uh, you cannot post your

blank statements on ChatGBT or

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Cloud AI to help you analyze it.

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So yeah, like using a local LLM is

a great way to kind of like test out

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this idea and see how well it works.

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it might work.

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And I also have, yeah, it was

like a, like a trial and error.

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I also didn't know if it would

work, um, at the beginning.

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I, I think, yeah, none of the projects

that I posted on my channel, I

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knew beforehand that it would work.

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It was just sometimes

it's completely absurd.

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And I thought, yeah, like,

how could I make it work?

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Uh, and then several days, like

tinkering with my code and try

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to like, look at other tutorials.

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tutorials, uh, look up, uh, things

on Stack Overflow and see if anyone

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has ever done something like this.

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Yeah.

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So it's also a lot of

like findings for me.

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Sometimes you have to be

creative and solve your own

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challenge and your own problems.

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Um, because yeah, you always

encounter something, uh, in your

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project and, um, the good mindset

is just, uh, like there's got to be.

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And a solution.

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So don't give up when you first

see an error or see like a problem.

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And that project definitely didn't work

well at the beginning because I know

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like the LLM was was really unreliable.

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So I had to like change

the temperature for the.

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LLM, and then tweak something in the

workflow and try to validate the output of

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the LLM with Pydantic and all these kind

of things, uh, just for a toy project.

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So I was like, yeah, it was a lot of work.

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Um, but it was, it was fun.

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Um, yeah.

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Yeah, I think nowadays there are so

many new frameworks that help you do

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these kind of projects, maybe like

in an easier way, or like, um, Python

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packages that you can use, I think,

like, instruct, um, like some new

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Python packages that lets you output

things from LLM in a structured format.

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That is something that I only

knew later, but that was much

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later after I posted that project.

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Avery: Yeah, I think there's so many

good things that people can take from,

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from what you just said, because I think

oftentimes people, you know, look, look at

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you and maybe look at me and they're like,

Oh, these people are experts with data.

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They know what they're doing.

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And the truth is that no one

actually really knows a hundred

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percent what they're doing in data

ever because it's ever evolving.

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It's ever expanding.

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Uh, there's always new things.

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And.

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Uh, you know, I, I can't, I mean, I

guess I can speak for you cause you

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just mentioned this, but like, uh, I

get stuck all the time and it's still

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like a process to, to troubleshoot

and to, like you said, use chat GPT to

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try to solve or go to stack overflow

and, and get through those problems.

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So even though you're creating these

videos, you've done a lot of them,

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you have like, like a decade of

experience, you're still getting stuck

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and you still have to troubleshoot.

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Thu Vu: Yeah, exactly.

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No, I, I think anyone can

do this kind of projects.

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Um, yeah, given that you put

in the time and put a little

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bit effort and some patience.

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Um, and I've seen also a

really, really cool project on

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your, on your channel as well.

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And I, I thought like you really put a lot

of attention to all these details on the

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videos or visualizations that you've made.

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I thought like, yeah, it's really.

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Really cool.

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Yeah.

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Maybe something sometimes I just thought,

okay, I can create this visualization

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of like, um, you know, animating

something just, just for the fun of it.

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Uh, and you did it sometimes.

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And I thought, Oh, like you have some

really, uh, really great, uh, insights

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on how you can show things differently.

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And so I think, yeah, like, yeah, with

making YouTube, it's, it's really fun

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to look at other people's, um, work

and see how you can learn from them.

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And yeah.

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And I guess for many people as well,

uh, in the audience, yeah, you can

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definitely just like sometimes come

across something on YouTube and then you

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thought, huh, I can maybe do this as well.

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Um, yeah, so that's a great way

to learn from each other as well.

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And it's definitely, I'm not a,

yeah, know it all kind of person,

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definitely in data science or

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Avery: machine learning.

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Well, you definitely know a lot and people

can learn from you, uh, a lot and, and

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yeah, I've made some project videos.

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In the past.

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I haven't made any

project videos recently.

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I find them that it appears

that the YouTube audience

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doesn't like them as much.

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I know I've, I've spoken to

Luke Bruce in the past as well.

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And he has like this awesome

video on his channel where he was

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analyzing his mountain bike data.

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And I was like, that video rocks.

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And he's like, I know, right.

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It should have way more views.

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And I don't know.

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It's, it's, it, I think you did

a great job of, of making it

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digestible for the YouTube audience.

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Cause I think these personal projects

where Like, for example, I, I looked

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at like what states Google the most

every single hour for like a quarter

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of a year, you know, you've done this

analyzing my financial data with an LLM.

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Luke's done the mountain biking one.

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I think these projects are fun.

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And I think, I think it's as data

scientists or data analysts, like we

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want to use data in our real normal life,

not just in our work or our business.

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So these types of like personal

projects, I think can be really fun.

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Thu Vu: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Um, no, I think, I think you're right

that, uh, not all the videos that

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you make or all the work that you

make would, uh, get the recognition

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that you think it deserves.

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Yeah, it's, um, it's, it's hard

and, uh, I'm sure some people

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also post things on LinkedIn.

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I also have some friends who, uh,

post, um, try to post on LinkedIn more

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often, but really like doesn't get

much views or, uh, like interaction.

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And then.

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Yeah.

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You feel discouraged.

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Um, and I'm sure a lot of

people also relate to that.

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I also don't know how some videos

got, uh, seen and some people, some

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videos just got completely tanked

and no one really look at it ever.

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It's, it's really hard to, to, to kind

of like predict that even though, yeah, I

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really want to predict it, but yeah, yeah.

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I think there's some kind of secrets.

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I tried to make the first, um,

like the opening of the video.

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really engaging.

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Like the third, the first 30 seconds or

so, uh, that's what I learned from all

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the YouTube gurus and, uh, try to kind of

like make the best edits out of it, uh,

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and see if people keep watching longer.

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And usually they do, but overall the

quality of the whole project is the

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video is, is, is more important, I guess.

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And I hope that is,

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Avery: that's true.

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It's, it's definitely hard.

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Um, let's talk about, so like with

these cool projects that we, that we've

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been talking about, if people want

to build their own, obviously they

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can kind of look at the stuff, you

know, you and I have done on YouTube.

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Um, I know that you give you your GitHub,

uh, in the description a lot of time,

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uh, for most of my projects, you can

get all of the GitHub stuff for free.

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It's kind of like open source like that.

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But you also just recently

created something called Python

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for AI projects, which basically.

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is an opportunity, a platform where

people can, you know, build some

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pretty cool projects for an AI with

Python, kind of with your guidance.

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Is that right?

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Thu Vu: Yeah.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Um, it's kind of like my, uh, really

my, I put my heart into this project

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because I believe that many people

struggle to learn the basics of Python.

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Python and AI, because they don't

have the really like the most

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beginner friendly kind of, uh,

guidance or kind of like a road map.

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Um, so that's why I decided to create

this, uh, this giant kind of like, uh,

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curriculum that teach people Python from

scratch, all the fundamentals, and also

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hands on stuff on how to learn, how to,

how to use Visual Studio Code, how to

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use AI assistance for your work, and also

learn the basics of machine learning,

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deep learning, and AI, and with some

project walkthroughs as well for people

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to really follow and create their own

projects with kind of like the idea.

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Yeah, using the, uh, large language

models and kind of like, uh, yeah,

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just like some projects I did also on

my YouTube channel, um, one projects

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about extracting information, uh, from

PDFs using, uh, large language models

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and how you structure it in a nice

format in a nice, uh, table format.

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And also, yeah, I'm also planning to

add a few more advanced projects like

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fine tuning and LLM and all these things

that, yeah, I also kind of like, I really

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always wanted to do it also myself.

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Now it's also an opportunity to kind

of like explore it further and help

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other people to learn them as well.

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Avery: Very cool.

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I, I might have to check that out because

yeah, I definitely, I don't know how to

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do anything with like an LLM from scratch.

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So there's some, there's probably some

things in there, uh, that I could learn.

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So that would be a lot of fun.

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We'll have the, uh, the link

in the show notes down below.

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Thu Vu: Yeah, definitely.

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Yeah.

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No, I, I think, uh, well, you, you, you

know, Python and you, yeah, probably

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you can pick it up very quickly and,

uh, all the machine learning AI stuff.

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Uh, I teach someone as really like

someone who has never worked, never

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built a machine learning model before.

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Try to teach the, like the fundamentals

and the building blocks for you

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probably is, is much less relevant.

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Um, but yeah.

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That's, uh, indeed.

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Yeah.

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That's kind of my project

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Avery: at the moment.

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Very cool.

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I can tell that you're, you're

really excited and passionate about

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it, uh, which I think is very cool.

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Um, we've talked a lot about projects

and, and your, your great YouTube

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channel, and I've kind of given a

little bit of your background, but,

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uh, I'm guessing a lot of people

listening don't a hundred percent know.

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Uh, your, your background.

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So could you just tell us like what

you studied in school and then maybe

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what your first job was out of school?

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Thu Vu: Uh, yeah, yeah.

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Thanks for, for asking about this.

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I think, uh, yeah, I, I also

haven't really shared about

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it a lot on my channel.

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Um, my, about my background.

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So if

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Avery: you don't want to talk about

it, we don't have to just so you know.

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Thu Vu: Oh no, no, no.

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Of course.

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Uh, no, of course I can talk about it.

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Yeah,

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Avery: so don't need

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Thu Vu: to add it in an edit.

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Um, yeah, so I, uh, yeah, so

my first, uh, degree that, um,

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at school is, uh, economics.

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And, um, back then I was, yeah,

I was still living in Vietnam.

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Um, and I got my bachelor in economics and

then I go to, I went to the Netherlands

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to study a master, uh, in economics.

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as well.

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So this is, yeah, it was kind of

like a very, uh, theoretical degree.

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And, uh, although, yeah, you learn

some basic stuff, econometrics,

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um, linear regression, which

were like basic statistics.

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And that was quite useful later on as a,

like a, when I would start working as a

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data analyst and then learning a bit more

data science y stuff, machine learning.

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And that was in 2015.

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So I moved to the Netherlands when I was

Yeah, around, yeah, 22 ish, um, back then.

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I started working in the Netherlands

and stayed, um, decided to stay,

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uh, even though it was really

not the first plan, uh, when I

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moved to the Netherlands to study.

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Um, but, yeah.

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I found out that it was like

really, really a great country.

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And I fell in love with the culture,

the food, not so much the weather,

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not so much, but people were great.

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The working environment was really, really

transparent, really nice, very efficient.

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And also people are very direct.

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And I really liked the way that,

you know, people are honest to each

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other and, um, and, uh, Yeah, you,

they give you really straightforward

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feedback that you can improve on.

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When I start my internship, uh, after

right after my master's, I felt really, I

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felt really good about, uh, working here.

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Um, so that's how I

started my career actually.

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And I started working as a

data, kind of like a research

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assistant in my internship.

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And then later I got a job

offer as a data analyst.

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So I got really lucky to, you know,

Actually start in this career because at

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the beginning when I learned economics,

the thing that I would think about was

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more like a researcher or maybe working

in policy, working in maybe a little

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bit like even started a PhD and that

I even applied for a PhD in Amsterdam.

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I still remember.

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And thank God I didn't, I didn't got it.

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I didn't get it.

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, uh, otherwise I would be like, I

don't know where I would be right now.

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And yeah.

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And a few, yeah, a few years later I

start working at BWC, um, Pricewaterhouse

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Coopers and I start working as

a, a consultant for six months.

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Six years.

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There, I also learned a lot of

different, uh, new things and worked

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for different, in different projects

and I found it really incredibly,

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um, really, uh, I learned so much.

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Um, it was really helpful to work

with so many different people and

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you pick up new things every time.

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Yeah, and that when I was working there

at BWC, I decided to learn a bachelor.

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degree in computer science, I

decided to take it because I feel

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like I still missed something.

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I, my technical skills were still kind

of like not so, I was not so confident.

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I was, I was still like, yeah, I was

probably, you know, like an imposter

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feeling and also the drive to learn more

in a more kind of like structured way.

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Um, that's how I decided

to take the degree.

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It's an online degree that you

can take via Coursera, actually.

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It's very nice.

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Yeah, it's a, it was a

lot of work, actually.

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It was a master, um, bachelor degree

with, I don't know, 22 modules.

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And yeah, I still have the final

project that I have to finish.

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Um, so it was in the end, it was like

six years now that I haven't finished.

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So I still feel ashamed when I talk about

it, but yeah, uh, in the end, yeah, I

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work on, uh, the YouTube channel a lot

and, uh, it was all kind of like all

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go into each other, uh, kind of, yeah.

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So that's kind of like my, my, my,

work and my personal history and

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like my, uh, yeah, my story so far.

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Avery: Can you just, can you just

submit a URL to, of your YouTube

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channel to the degree and just

be like, here's my final project.

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Thu Vu: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like for like my own project or

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Avery: just like your whole,

your whole YouTube channel.

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I feel like that should

count as your final project.

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I feel like they should, they should,

uh, give you, give you credit for

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that because you've done some,

some pretty cool things on there.

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Thu Vu: Yeah, that's a great idea.

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I will, I will try it out.

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Avery: That's, that's great.

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Yeah, I think it's, I think it's one

thing that's, uh, I want to just pull from

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your, your story there, uh, was you going

back to school once you had a data job.

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And one of the things I try to, I,

I try to help people who are like

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brand new to data and who like

want to become a data analyst.

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And obviously going to back back

to school is always an option.

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Um, but a lot of the times if you get

your foot in the door first with any

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sort of data job at the beginning, it's

going to be so much easier to go back

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to school for a variety of reasons.

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And so like a lot of the cool things

that you do, like, like the LLM

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stuff, uh, use Docker in that video.

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A lot of that stuff is, is things

that you don't necessarily need

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when you first land your data job,

but, but they can help you become a

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better data analyst down the road.

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And so I kind of like how you, you kind

of gotten your foot in the data door

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with, with the data stuff you had from

your economics degree, and then you, you

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upscaled after you were already there.

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So that way you can, you can become a data

analyst or sorry, become a better data

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analyst, you know, have a bigger impact

at your company, uh, hopefully get, get

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compensated more and better because of it.

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Um, but I love that you did that.

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After you get you started, basically,

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Thu Vu: yeah, yeah, definitely.

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And, and I think this is,

uh, you're totally right.

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It's so much easier when you get an

internship or you get a, like a really

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beginner, uh, like an entry level

job in data science or data analysis.

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Even like us, just a small, uh, portion

of your job is, uh, data related.

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You can always like show it a little

bit more that you have some experience.

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And this is really a big advantage.

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So, yeah, I would always advise anyone

to, when they start, just think, uh, step

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by step and, uh, take anything that you

may find, like, you can learn something,

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um, regarding the data skills, and then

you can go, uh, can move on from there.

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That's so much easier, indeed.

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Avery: One of, one of your latest videos,

you explored data trends, um, and you

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found some pretty interesting things,

uh, that was going on with the data

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job market, the tech market in general,

what was like your favorite trend that

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you kind of discovered in this video?

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Thu Vu: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think the favorite trend for me is like.

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The new development, when you think

about like technical skills, I find

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that like Python is, has been really

so become so much more ubiquitous.

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So, so much more universal

compared to a few years ago.

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I think definitely a few years ago, it

was like, uh, for the discord analysis or

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some particular software, like SAS, even

if you ever, uh, even ever used to use it.

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But right now, also within my work,

a lot of, in a lot of projects,

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we are migrating all the code

base from SAS, from R to Python.

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So it was like a nice.

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An interesting observation, and especially

with the development of AI right now,

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Python is supporting a lot of cool tools.

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For example, like, um, uh, things like

lang chain and all these different

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frameworks to create, um, an AI

powered application, an AI agent, all

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these frameworks are all in Python.

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Yeah, that, that, that's really

like a Uh, yeah, like a really cool

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thing to, to, to, um, to recognize.

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Further, I think there's also some

interesting trends that I noticed, um,

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in kind of like the freelancing space.

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It seems, it seems like, They're

more freelancing jobs than right

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now, than, than a few years ago.

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And I'm not sure why, but I feel like

companies are more like, probably they

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are experimenting with things a lot.

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And that's why you see.

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Probably some of them have a little

bit budget, uh, or even individuals

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or small business owners, they have

a little bit budget and they want to

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hire someone to do something for them.

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I recently have a friend who worked a

lot on, um, uh, who knows a lot on RAC,

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so, um, uh, retrieval, uh, augmented

generation kind of projects using LLMs.

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And then, um, yeah, so that

person connects it to me.

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Uh, asking, like, do you have someone

or you can help me with, uh, uh,

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building and, uh, kind of like a tool to

extract this and that information from

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like, uh, a hundred PDFs that he has.

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And so, yeah, so I introduced my friend

to, uh, to that, um, to that person to,

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uh, to help him with, with this task.

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And I think this is also kind of like an

example of like how people are recognizing

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the role of, uh, AI and automation.

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And they want to get some, something done.

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And so, yeah, it doesn't need to

be a fixed contract, a fixed job.

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It's more like a experiment sometimes.

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And so, yeah, it's a, I find it

also really interesting and I keep

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thinking about how, uh, how people

can find these kind of projects.

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Uh, they can, yeah, like people who

need to get things done and people who

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has the skill, how can they, uh, meet

each other more often or how they can

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more effectively, uh, meet it, uh,

like kind of like, um, come across each

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other's, uh, and connect to each other.

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Yeah, that there are the two trends

that I, yeah, that I really like.

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And I also kind of like got a bit

surprised, but also not so surprised,

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uh, how, how that, how, yeah.

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Avery: It's fascinating.

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We live in a really exciting

time where you can start a side

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hustle or start your own business.

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That's, that's what I did three

years ago, three and a half years

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ago was I started to freelance and I

started to make more money freelancing

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than I did in my regular job.

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And I was like, okay, I'm

just going to do that.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's why I left Exxon was to start doing

freelance projects and start an agency.

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Yeah.

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I ended up switching mostly

to teaching because I figured

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out I really enjoy teaching.

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So that's what I do.

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Full time now pretty much.

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Um, but yeah, the freelancing

stuff is super fascinating and I

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think there's a great opportunity,

uh, for people to get into that.

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Uh, and I also love that you, you

brought up the, the Python trend.

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I think it just became, you

had mentioned that video.

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It just became the most common or

most frequently used language on

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GitHub, uh, which was a big deal.

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Um, so Python, definitely

a thing of the future.

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Another trend, uh, that I really

liked, especially since I helped

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people land their first day at

a job is you looked at like.

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The number of data jobs

over the last few years.

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And if like, we've seen a lot of layoffs

or if we've seen a decrease in jobs,

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because you know, a lot of people are

like, Oh, the economy kind of stinks.

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And you know, the job

market's really bad right now.

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Uh, and your conclusion was, you know,

maybe it's not as bad as people might say.

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The, the, the graph was kind of a little

bit downward in terms of like number

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of jobs, but it was relatively flat.

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And that's actually, I did.

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Yeah.

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Uh, a similar video recently where I

looked at, um, the growth of, of data

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jobs from a different data source and the

data source you used and basically came

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to the same conclusion that the, if you

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were up specifically for like data

analysts were still up around like 20%.

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But it was year over year,

but it was a flat 20 percent

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for like the last year or two.

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So I was really comforted to

see, like, you kind of came to a

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similar conclusion that I did with

a totally different, uh, data set,

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completely independent of each other.

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Thu Vu: Oh, that's really cool.

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Um, that that's really cool to see.

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Indeed.

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Um, when I was using, yeah, I

actually use the, uh, kind of like

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the data from, um, from, from, uh,

collected by Luke, uh, Luke Burrus.

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And, uh, yeah, he's the man behind

all this, like, web scraping stuff.

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And, uh, I also, I was also a bit

doubting, uh, I didn't want to

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make a conclusion that, oh, this is

like decreasing that we are seeing.

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Indeed, it's more like flattened out

and, uh, depending on how you see it.

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Um, and as you say, it's more like

a, uh, glass half full or empty.

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You, yeah, like it's quite, I

think it's quite normal to see some

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fluctuation over the year over year.

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And, uh, it's, uh, it's definitely,

yeah, I don't think it's something that

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I would worry about, but more like,

uh, what kind of jobs are being posted?

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Like, the job compositions are changing

rather than the number of jobs.

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I think.

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Probably within the same job

title, you probably have something

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new in the job descriptions.

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And I, I didn't, um, really have the

chance to really dive into that in,

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in that, um, data job trend video.

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But I think it would be really cool to

see how the, uh, the job functions or

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the job, uh, description is changing.

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And how you can maybe learn from that.

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What can you prepare to meet

that demand in the future?

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I'm sure there will be more like,

uh, really things that are more

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like, uh, data AI engineering kind

of role that are emerging in data

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science, in the, like, data science,

uh, Uh, machine learning space.

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And so, yeah, I, I think, uh, yeah,

it's probably like, it's better

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to, to, to, um, a little bit, put

a little bit like, uh, yeah, yeah.

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Take that with a little bit grain of salt.

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When you look at the chart, um, probably

it doesn't really tell the full story.

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Avery: I agree.

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It's, it's, it would

be really interesting.

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That data sets very rich.

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Um, but once you get into text

analysis and NLP, you just have

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to have more data science skills.

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It's like a whole separate.

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Part of data science, which just

takes longer to do than things like

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counting and line charts and, uh,

bar charts and stuff like that.

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Um, right, right.

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Definitely.

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Which, which maybe it's a, it's a

great project, uh, for your Python

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for AI projects, uh, group that

you're doing with, with the course.

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So maybe that we'll look

forward to seeing that.

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On the curriculum in the future to thank

you so much for being on the podcast.

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If you guys haven't checked out

her channel, please go do so.

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Now we'll have a link to it in the

show notes down below, as well as

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her Python for AI projects too.

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Thank you so much for being on the show.

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Thu Vu: Yeah.

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Thank you so much for having me here.

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I agree.

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And yeah, it was a great pleasure

to meet you here on this podcast.

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Avery: Same.